pvp

[exotic dove]

We will see after playing Sub and doing really well on it I have a hard time playing Assa

[jaunty osprey]

They already run the sac talent for out poisons 😭

[exotic dove]

Sub just does every thing better

outside of garrote silence

[jaunty osprey]

It is but it isnt

8% aura isn’t 8% overall

and

if we received buffs that big, that means we were also just far behind

and a lot of our same problems still exist, squishy, mobility, deathstalker being annoying to play with, etc

[dark kernel]

I mean I get it

But statistically speaking Assa is getting buffed when it's also the highest performing spec

In rated pvp

Its got hard counters and frustrations that just Sub and Outlaw don't deal with as much

[exotic dove]

This. This right here is what is extremely frustrating for me. When you play Sub with Assa it just makes Assa miserable cause Sub just closes games out faster even if someone drs you. The frustrations of sub just are much less than those of Assa at least for me

[dark kernel]

Despite outlaw sucking .massive fat cock right now, I STILL find it less frustrating to play than sub

[gilded gulch]

Sometimes i get the urge to play fatebound

because losing your window to apply dsm due to being spam cc'ed is....

[gilded gulch]

When do you even ambush in openers

[dark kernel]

Usually I see people CS, ambush, garrote in that order

On the kill target

[hidden moth]

Give us sprint removes roots, and a way to cdr vanish and I’m chillin

Only other thing would be a pvp talent that makes our dots unremovable with immunities/ uncleansavle during death mark

If a pally bubbles my dm, he should immune the damage but the debuffs should still be there, when bubble ends he starts taking damage again simple

[hidden moth]

I try to do cs garrote ambush

Bc of the 20% ambush damage increase against targets with garrote talent we take for pathing

Also sometimes people panic and insta trinket cs so the next gcd being silence is nice

[gilded gulch]

its more the question if you get cced

before global 3

[hidden moth]

Also buff kb in pvp

[gleaming sentinel]

100%

[exotic dove]

I guess im unique then I think Sub is the least frustrating right now

[dark kernel]

Sub is probably better at this exact moment because Blizzard gave it more kill agency out of cooldowns. But I played it in S4 DF and last season, and nothing is more frustrating than people just saving CDs for your blades because they knew you couldn't kill shit outside of blades.

[gleaming sentinel]

I have some wild screen shots as outlaw and time spent in cc, like I’m way way way above others

[dark kernel]

This season, I've seen a lot of sub rogue splitting sblades and flag into separate goes

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ve been in rounds where someone and their healer sat and cc’d me only for their team mate to just be off alone and die

[dark kernel]

Yeah

[gilded gulch]

I mean

it's better than being a fire mage kidney shot keybind

[dark kernel]

I have literally not seen a fire mage this entire season

[gilded gulch]

Yeah dark days when sub rmp was literally

press kidney for your mage

xdddd

[hidden moth]

so tbc

[gilded gulch]

SL

[dark kernel]

I was there during the season 2 hemo AR prep days

Mace stun blade flurry mash hemo

[jaunty osprey]

Open with cheap shot and ambush right away after

Since you have 12 seconds of imp garrote, you will get it those off

[shell veldt]

There’s a few floating around doing 80-0 combust meteor goes that people just don’t expect

[dark kernel]

Oh I believe it.

I had a few shuffles against the same arcane mage too recently

[shell veldt]

Fire tier apparently makes them nuts next patch

[dark kernel]

I heard outlaw might be similar.

The idea of next tiers being related to hero spec are interesting.

[hard compass]

Saw his vid on reddit hitting 2.4K in your lobby earlier

[jaunty osprey]

Kalvish queued 50 matches of 3v3 yday as fire

[dark kernel]

Lmao Kalvish is a different breed

He's also not the average player, people like him limit test themselves for fun

[hidden moth]

killing myself

[dark kernel]

Wakeenfiendx who plays a boomy also plays some fire mage for fun

[hidden moth]

no clue who that kid was ngl

[exotic dove]

Apparently the average player cant play Assa https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated Solo Shuffle&sortKey=winRate&minRating=0&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=&trendChartStat=representation

Assa and outlaw have a lower win rate than enhance

for lowest in game

[dark kernel]

That's insane to me.

Assa feels like the easiest melee spec in the game to pilot, minus just juggling bleeds on multiple targets.

[exotic dove]

Well I think easiest melee in the game imo goes to other specs but regardless Assa with outlaw is struggling hard

In my experience assa has been miserable

[dark kernel]

I don't have experience to say enough about Assa at a high level.

I know paladins make every spec feel awful

[exotic dove]

My main is 2400 mmr and 2270 cr on it but its miserable

My alts just struggle on it

Playing sub on all my Rogues have half the games played with much higher winrates and success

Sub mmr on all my rogues is higher than my Assa specs in shuffle

my CRs are a bit misleading

[spring bough]

im so bad at Sin cause i play it like outlaw lol

[dark kernel]

I feel like you were made for WW monk Van

Ever try that?

[exotic dove]

I havent seen your games but based on that it might not be you

That data shows people struggling with it

I am having a rough time with it

I have to play much sweater than I would the other specs I play

Its high frustrations right now

for me

[spring bough]

currrently have a 49% win chance as outlaw and im somehow in the 2400s

i dont understand how i have a losing record with such a high rating lol

[exotic dove]

Well look at it this way you took the worst dps spec in the game and got 2400 you should feel really good about it

[dark kernel]

That's normal

I have one outlaw 2300 with a 56% w/l and then my other is 2160 at 53% and dropping

Just is time and games played and what rating all the games are at

[spring bough]

i guees so lol. i wish i felt like i had more control over winning games. when i play DH i feel like it dont matterr who is on my team i can just press 1 2 3 and boom win a game

[dark kernel]

I know a shadow priest who topped out at 2700 gladiator, borderline rank 1 shuffle some seasons, right now he's hard stuck 2100 and can't get glad

[spring bough]

with outlaw sometimes its like how the F did my teammate just die i CCed the whole enemy team and stunned everyone twice with cheap and my teammate still dying somehow

[dark kernel]

I actually know what you mean. As outlaw in shuffle I am NEVER excited about my enemy classes

[exotic dove]

You can select the ratings on that site I linked but even at 2100+ Outlaw is the worst and assa right after that. WE got two speccs below enhance now boys and girls

[dark kernel]

Like how am I going to get fucked right now

[exotic dove]

At least in shuffle

[dark kernel]

I have on video a ret paladins who got solo 100-0 by a sv hunter while I got enemy healer and mage locked down

And I just sighed

[spring bough]

would have taken everything for me to hold back on going off on that ret lol

[dark kernel]

I unironically had druid in stun and mage in block, in opener

And round ended

I have had really really bad lobbies this week

[spring bough]

whats the in game addoon yall use that tracks MMR and rating and all that

[dark kernel]

Reflex

[exotic dove]

I was using mmr tracker but that ended up not working anymore

so now I have none

[exotic dove]

Is that a WA now?

[dark kernel]

Nah it's just an old addon. I mean it may be too,m

[exotic dove]

oh ok I couldnt find it on curseforge the other day

[dark kernel]

Reflex tracks your actual wins and losses in shuffle and the team comps

Its outdated but still works

[spring bough]

its not in there just had to DL it from wago

[exotic dove]

thanks

[gilded gulch]

dh is easier

+I feel people dont like hitting dhs

[exotic dove]

Yeah Assa is not even my top five list of easiest melee

I just bricked a rogue alt today cause I had such bad luck that its assa mmr went from 2300+ to 2049

I would be really upset if it was my main

still play it for sub though

[jaunty osprey]

Assa is not super easy to play well, but easy to play poorly

You have to pandemic your bleeds, not overwrite imp garrote, you’re SUPER squishy

but pandemic as a concept in general is confusing for people

[potent pivot]

I think the easiest melee specs definitely go to warrior

Ret is pretty brain dead as well, just has a higher skill ceiling

[glass bear]

ArenaAnalytics

Reflex isn't updated anymore

[potent pivot]

Reflex still works pretty sure

[gilded gulch]

surprised dh isnt higher

also wtf happened to fury

[fading blade]

why smoke bomb on the edge

[potent pivot]

can make it take longer for their team mates to run into it

[potent pivot]

just depends on what we're comparing really, skill floors, ceilings, or just a general sense

personally i think dh has a higher floor and ceiling than warr

[exotic dove]

I agree with this a lot of people think Assa is very easy but at the same time so many fail at it.

[grave basin]

New tuning notes

Those rogue changes

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ptr-development-notes-more-class-tuning-377757#comments

[hidden moth]

Arms war press mortal strike and win

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

I hate you making me click that link

[grave basin]

Has there been a single patch notes without the holy trinity involved (hunter/pala/druid)

[spring bough]

How did BM hunters pull off two updates this xpack

What are they paying blizz

[hidden moth]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2119874-ghosts-of-karesh-development-notes/ new notes yaay

[dark kernel]

I feel like rotationally maximizing your damage isnt difficult though and the majority of the tedium and challenge is decision making

[jaunty osprey]

I know for a fact that is wrong

[dark kernel]

you'd be more knowledgable that's for sure

[jaunty osprey]

Rotationally maximizing damage as Assa is what sets a good one to a bad one apart

[dark kernel]

the reason I say that is just comparison to sub and outlaw tbh

as outlaw I still routinely hit a button when a better one existed at the time

I feel like that's harder for assa

[hidden moth]

bank reworks though

[jaunty osprey]

Uhhh

[hybrid sapphire]

is there something thatll make bleeds more prominent? this is so busy

[jaunty osprey]

99% of players in here

don't press CT on 2 targets

FoK on 2 targets

pandemic/snapshot their bleeds

especially their improved garrotes on the opener

[hidden moth]

i use kui

[dark kernel]

yes I understand that

but is that knowledge

or execution

[jaunty osprey]

execution

wat

[hidden moth]

u need the knowledge to execute

[jaunty osprey]

it's both

same as

outlaw and sub

[hidden moth]

but like

snap shoting dots and pandemic effect dots has been a thing foever

[dark kernel]

is snapshotting even a thing anymore

i thought that was long since gone

[hidden moth]

yes

[jaunty osprey]

improved garrote

is the only thing

[hidden moth]

imp gar is a snapshot

[jaunty osprey]

for assa

[dark kernel]

ahh so it's like situational?

so let me use a hypothetical

[jaunty osprey]

also

a lot of rogues dont keep their poisons up on their bled targets

so they arent even getting energy back

from venomous wounds

[dark kernel]

if I pop badge and I have 2 seconds left on it, but I get 2 imp garrotes on all 3 targets, those garrotes gain the agi buffed damage for the entire duration

[jaunty osprey]

nope

improved garrote ability snapshots only

all stat buffs on your character

do not snapshot

[dark kernel]

isnt that what I said?

[jaunty osprey]

no

like i said

all stat buffs on your character do not snapshot

the garrotes do not get "agi buffed damage for the entire duration"

[hidden moth]

the effect of garrote doing 50% more snapshots but the garote u have applied is still dynamic

[dark kernel]

okay that's not what snapshotting used to be then

[hidden moth]

however u dont want to gar when ur 12 second window ends

otherwise u just lost 24 seconds of 50% more damage garote

[hidden moth]

kinda

[dark kernel]

Snapshotting used to be getting your DoTS off with as many of your enchant and trinket buffs up because the DoT would roll with the empowered stat buffs for the entire duration, even if the buff wore off

[hidden moth]

u snap shoted % mods on aff lock with tricks from rogues

this is the same thing

[jaunty osprey]

snapshotting is

quite literally that

but yes, it isnt just what it used to be

[dark kernel]

I see

[jaunty osprey]

but when talking about snapshotting and improved garrote

[dark kernel]

most my knowledge is older

you just meant the 12 second improved timer

[jaunty osprey]

you can take the definition

i mean

you're just being difficult LOL but

it quite literally is

snapshotting

there is 0 debating it

[hybrid sapphire]

can you explain snapshotting because i have a feeling it means the exact opposite of what i think it means

[dark kernel]

it's fine im not trying, but your talking to someone who only started paying attention to the meta again in Dragonflight and I havent been good since WoTlK vanilla.

so I'm old.

[jaunty osprey]

so

if you know what

pandemic is

as well

it will also help in understanding snapshotting

for improved garrote

[hidden moth]

Snapshotting in World of Warcraft (WoW) refers to a mechanic that allows certain damage-over-time (DoT) effects to maintain a buff that is present at the moment of application. This means that if a buff is active when a bleed is applied, the damage from that bleed will increase based on that buff for the entire duration of the effect.

ivan is 100% correct here

[hybrid sapphire]

i should really be playing deathstalker shouldnt i be 🫥

[jaunty osprey]

deathstalker definitely does more aoe damage

fatebound is more single target

[hidden moth]

yes

[hybrid sapphire]

when i was deathstalker i felt like i was paying attn to much to the buff and i got caught up in it

wait lol theres no way im getting rid of this

[jaunty osprey]

well

you get lower CD

shadowstep

with deathstalker

[hybrid sapphire]

youre right maybe i should try it again

[dark kernel]

fwiw Ivan I am not trying to say Assa is easy in general by the way, especially at the level you play at.

but a person like me stil makes mechanical mistakes hitting buttons on outlaw

to me the aspect of knowing what spells affect what and remembering that as assa seem a bit easier than accidentally hitting ambush again when CP capped with the fast GCD

but that's not to say it's "Easy" because I know at high level assa has issues

[hidden moth]

tbh i think this is just a trigger disipline issue and less knowing about the spec tbh

if ur just running about seeing gar about to drop and ur like i wanna reup

but u do that with a imp gar

thats alot of dam u just cucked urself on

i also think assa has to worry more about positioning and whats going on with everyone in the arena than outlaw does simply bc assa needs to make sure dots are on everyone where outlaw is just

leather wearing fury war

[dark kernel]

Its hard sometimes when you're trying to anticipate or not the double strike while paying attention to other stuff is all

[hidden moth]

hur dur ima run em down - war
yar me hearty im a run em down - outlaw

[hidden moth]

i wasnt sayign its not and wont happen

just even with how memed on assa is for being easiest of rogue specs i think it still requires more concious to play than outlaw which is just slaming 4 buttons constantly

[stoic spruce]

Daniel vs Cooler Daniel

[hidden moth]

LMFAOOO

[grave basin]

Assa also has to care about dwarf and bops and mending bandage and w/e dragon bleed dispel

[hidden moth]

FUCK DWARVES, fuck 25 second cd bleed removal from hunter, fuck 1 min bleed removal from voker, fuck bop, fuck bubble,

[jaunty osprey]

ya but if you press garrote

right when your imp garrote buff fades

you lose so much damage

[hidden moth]

at least ice block is somewhat digestable bc the mage is stuck in the cuck chair and cant do shit while the pala goes immune and hits u for 5 mil through evason bc oh yeah my big ass hammer melee swing ignores dodge bc ITS HOLY DAMAGE

[jaunty osprey]

like

very punishing

[hybrid sapphire]

shoudl damage them instead of healing them

[hidden moth]

this tbh

u are burning the fuck out of the wounds to sear them closed sooo like ya

[hybrid sapphire]

ive bene cauterized irl i would know!

[hidden moth]

also the fact mending bandage removes everything the .01 second u press it

should have to channel it for at least 2 seconds for it to remove the shit

[hybrid sapphire]

or like gradually over time ijbol

[potent pivot]

well

technically that isn't what snapshotting is

but for lack of a better term i can see why you'd use it instead of an entire sentence to describe whats going on

i want to say that the only true snapshot left in the game right now is on feral, but idk if they've also removed that as well

[grave basin]

Hunter class tree also has feign death removes diseases iirc

[grave basin]

Still there

[hidden moth]

disease classes are all ranged aside ferals slow

but like

[hidden moth]

feral has 0 uptime issue considering they have dash stamp roar charge and infinite root/snare removal

and 30% movmement speed increase for being a cat

idgaf about poison clense tbh

[grave basin]

Yea just saying hunters can almost fully remove any debuffs

Except magic

[hidden moth]

it sucks but we arnt spending 5+ combos on 2 different poisons hell we dont even do 1 poison finisher

[grave basin]

Next patch they get a talent to give them sprint when they trap

No icd

[hidden moth]

killing mysekf

[grave basin]

A trap, meaning any trap

[potent pivot]

they way this talent is written

is why it isn't a "snapshot"

oops wrong talent

this isn't meant to be a dynamic buff like a buff you would truly "snap"

[hidden moth]

they can offensive magic purge and dispell mgic off pet

[grave basin]

Yea, not from themselves though

It's ok cause mending is so broken

[hidden moth]

ur still looking to not overwrite it like u wouldnt want to overwrite a snaped ability

[potent pivot]

i'm merely talking about the true definition of a snapshot, like you even posted here

[grave basin]

Only imp garrote snapshots though, not as punishing as your whole row of bleeds not snapshotting from TF

On feral

[potent pivot]

the last true snap we had was nightstalker

[hidden moth]

nightstalker

?

[potent pivot]

Mhm

[grave basin]

Nightstalker didn't even work

Wasn't it bugged

[potent pivot]

Depends on the season

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

8% more dam coming out of stealth iirc

[potent pivot]

It worked for a long time afaik

[stoic spruce]

I wish outlaw had that + crit dmg

[potent pivot]

Then at some point during a PTR it just decided it no longer existed

[stoic spruce]

Instead of what it has now

Sigh

[hidden moth]

rogue overhauls when

[grave basin]

Rogue dev wellness check

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[grave basin]

Tfw the bank got more effort

[stoic spruce]

Poor guy tbh

[grave basin]

[hidden moth]

true

[potent pivot]

I would rather see pvp get love than rogue at this point

[hidden moth]

fair

but like

why pvp if not a rogue

[potent pivot]

The game as a whole is just too bad rn

[stoic spruce]

Idc what they do with rogue until uhuh gets reworked or deleted. Until then, this other stuff is more important

[hidden moth]

nahhhhhhhhhhh its fineeeeeeeeeee'

[hidden moth]

until uhuh?

[stoic spruce]

Bring on housing

[hidden moth]

whats uhuh

[hybrid sapphire]

how come i keep encountering the bug where i cant stealthy

[grave basin]

Underhandded upper hand

[potent pivot]

Worst participation in the history of the game

[hybrid sapphire]

at all

[potent pivot]

“It’s fine”

[grave basin]

AR pauses in stealthb

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

u playign deathstalker?

[hybrid sapphire]

yea

no

im not

[hidden moth]

oh nvm

not a singular focus bug then

ALSO CAN WE FIX PALA USING WINGS IN NARNIA AND PULLING ME OUT OF STEALTH BC DAWNLIGHT IS APPLIED TO ME 30 YARDS ACROSS THE MAP WHEN IM NOT IN COMBAT WITH ANYTHING AT ALL WHATSOEVER

[stoic spruce]

Underhanded Upperhand

[hidden moth]

upperhanded underhand

ar only loses duration during stealth

[stoic spruce]

Same garbage different dumpster

[stoic spruce]

Amazing

That'd be funny tbh

Also

[hidden moth]

but have ar duration be 5 seconds

[stoic spruce]

I want to clarify

[potent pivot]

In games or?

[hybrid sapphire]

i randomly hit a reload screen

and boom i cant stealth unless i vanish

[stoic spruce]

Just because I want uhuh to be gone does not mean I want vanish to be gone. There is simply fun and unfun ways to make stealth gameplay fun.

[hybrid sapphire]

and i /reload a hundred times doesnt do anything

[potent pivot]

Just in open world?

That’s weird

[stoic spruce]

No one cares popo

Okay

[jaunty osprey]

maybe stealth macro is broken

[grave basin]

Blizzard doesn't want outlaw to be the dominant PvP spec since DF

[hidden moth]

close app

[grave basin]

They've been nerfing it literally every patch

[hidden moth]

monk has a similar bug

[potent pivot]

If you’re using the pve belt it might be bugging you

[hidden moth]

where slicing winds wont work either

[potent pivot]

Lots of pve items this season fuck stealth up

The biggest thing I’ve seen people running into

Is using the crafted intellect dagger not letting them stealth

[stoic spruce]

The rogue tax is insane in pvp for outlaw

[potent pivot]

Happens too so many people

[hybrid sapphire]

even typing /cast stealth

doesnt do anything

like i never learned it

it just happened in arena and then it came back on its own like nothing

[potent pivot]

Strange

[hidden moth]

lmfao

[hybrid sapphire]

happens like twice a week

maybe more

[dark kernel]

wat

the stealth issues must be uniquely sin

ive not had an issue the whole season as outlaw

[hybrid sapphire]

i'd say its an addon but then why cant i even /cast stealth

[hidden moth]

did u

close

app

and relaucnh

[hybrid sapphire]

i couldnt bc i was doing arena

it came back after a natural reaload not a forced one

[hybrid sapphire]

holy shit why is adding FOK to my rotatoin doing so much extra damage

[potent pivot]

in aoe its more damage and more combo points

less energy used

[hybrid sapphire]

yeah i can env super quickly

[dark kernel]

its a special kind of troll when you get a good lobby in and are going to guarantee a 5-1

and then the player who you carried to a lucky round win decides to leave

54 rating into 14

such ass

[outer sky]

i just 6-0d my last lobby and hit 2750. Its amazing how good for assa UDK is

if theres a UDK in the lobby I almost always 6-0 it

when hes on my team he can group everyone up for me and when hes on the other team his pets ramp up my damage like 20%

and he doesnt have any defensives against me besides a 30% wall on a long af CD

[exotic dove]

I never get an unholy dk in a lobby lol

well not true but I was playing sub when I saw one

[outer sky]

I havent seen one in a while until now

[exotic dove]

The best I can relate is the lobby on my main where there was a BM Hunter that I had a similar effect to where I 5-1 a lobby. (Ret didnt bubble so no 6-0)

[outer sky]

BM is nice but they cant enable you like a UDK can and they can also kite you

UDK is literally such a dream to have in a lobby

[exotic dove]

yeah its not the same but its second best

There might be more of them next season

[outer sky]

I hope so

[exotic dove]

They supposedly getting reworked and some of the DKs told me they are happier on paper so far

[stoic spruce]

Fdks yes

[outer sky]

FDK doesnt have the same effect

i mean when theyre on your team they do I guess

then when youre against them you just disarm pillar of frost every time

shuts them down

which is stupid

disarm needs a longer CD honestly

[stoic spruce]

I mean who's happy

Unholy had two CDs merged and it blows

It got reverted once though

[exotic dove]

Yeah as a rogue shutting down a frost dk is as easy as a hot knife through butter lol

[stoic spruce]

Fr

Love me a dk king

[exotic dove]

I have no idea people were talking about it in another disc I am in

[stoic spruce]

(For the wins)

[exotic dove]

I havent really looked at the dk stuff tbh

[stoic spruce]

Frost is super happy rn

[exotic dove]

Maybe I can dust off my Dk

then

[stoic spruce]

Do it

I'm dusting off my warrior

Might go fury tbh

[outer sky]

wont last

[stoic spruce]

Nah

It'll get nuked like always

[exotic dove]

Kind of back to the discussion we had earlier I am in the mindset that the 8% buff to all assa damage is like your boss decided to give people pizza on a Friday for a short term attempt at happiness

[outer sky]

DK gets nerfed even when nobody is playing it

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I want to play it but I'm not gonna give it the time of day lol

Fdk is the opposite side of the abuse coin of Outlaw in terms of tuning

Outlaw gets ignored. Fdk gets beaten

I may be biased idk

[exotic dove]

As far as DK goes I dont think you are biased they are pretty bad right now

imo

[potent pivot]

never thought i'd see this

[stoic spruce]

Pika becoming a variety streamer was unexpected

[potent pivot]

[tight hill]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[stoic spruce]

Tell me I'm wrong

[potent pivot]

?

[stoic spruce]

?

??????

????

????

[potent pivot]

I posted the emote because they sent a message then deleted it

[stoic spruce]

Ohhhh

Thought you wanted to fight

My b

[potent pivot]

LOL

I’d kidney ur ass into next week

😉

[stoic spruce]

You'd have to connect first

[lilac sigil]

I wonder what are pros of fatebound assa over DS that most highest rated players select it

[potent pivot]

in what? blitz or something?

[lilac sigil]

Shuffle mainly but some play it in 3s

[potent pivot]

pretty sure most people play deathstalker in shuff/3s

[lilac sigil]

Yes but look at top players in shuff in top 5 you got 4 fatebound and in top 10 there are 6 of them
That made me wonder what is making fatebound their choice cause no cdr on step is painful

[tight hill]

don't have to press ambush, don't have to track deathslalkers mark, don't have the bugs around marked targets

both are viable i guess

[lilac sigil]

Only advantage that I found is that it doesnt randomly kick you out of stealh and can meld+stealh w/o worries that it won’t work

[wintry dew]

Hardest line I've read all week

[stoic spruce]

Royal had a boring week

[hidden moth]

Druids getting a 30 second cd disarm XD

[outer sky]

No way

Dont boomies already have swarm?

[hidden moth]

Just make dark trans off gcd

[hidden moth]

That’s what I’m talkin about

[outer sky]

They already have it

How can they get what they already have

[hidden moth]

I didn’t mean they are getting it as something new

Just that they have it already

Where we are saying disarm at 45 seconds and melee range is too op

Where are the pvp patch notes Breh

Weeks away from patch launch now

[outer sky]

Yeah but boomie disarm isn't as offensive because its dispelable

[pearl dune]

Asfar as mop pvp is sub really the only option? Neither combat and assa is even remotely viable?

[dark kernel]

Been a LONG time since I played and If I do remember combat has a couple really nice things, but overall it's sub

And mop expansion is probably one of the worst times for rogues

Cata is essentially perfect, and in MoP they kind of make a few things clunky. They fuck the sanguinery veins passive and moving energy Regen off recuperate to SnD kind of blows

So our opener and DPS rotation is kind of janky and we're also just flat out worse than feral druids who are Omega God tier

[pearl dune]

Is it hard to have multiple gear
Sets in mop?

[dark kernel]

No

[pearl dune]

Hate how locked in you feel as retail rogue especially early season

Between haste and mastery

[dark kernel]

In MoP pvp you use pure pvp gear

No PvE needed

[pearl dune]

Yeah but you can modify the secondarys

[dark kernel]

And mop has reforging

But it's limited

[pearl dune]

Ye

[dark kernel]

So everyone is effected

[pearl dune]

How limited

[dark kernel]

Like in Mop the gear is similar to current where boots only have 2 options with set stats

Reforging allows you to take 40% of one stat and make it a different stat

But in MoP it's not like retail where you may Only want mastery and vers

Crit is fine too

So it like...doesn't hurt as bad

[pearl dune]

Thats nice

I hate how it feels in retail

[stoic spruce]

assa and combat were viable at the time

red insight killing spree hit like a truck

idk about assa

didnt play back then

didnt play assa back then*

[pearl dune]

I really dont want to play sub Lol

[stoic spruce]

dont lol

assa and combat are good

[pearl dune]

Hell yeah

[stoic spruce]

theyre a lot better this time around too with the recent changes

[pearl dune]

Im wanting glorius tyranny tho

So i will succumb to the meta im sure

[stoic spruce]

rmp was good back then too

[pearl dune]

Yeah

[dark kernel]

This is WoD

WoD is where combat went nutzo

In MoP we have 9bsecond kidney

[stoic spruce]

was good in mop too

[shell veldt]

WOD rmd: red buff killing spree, mage evanese 🙂

[dark kernel]

Yeah that first season of WoD was so fun

They ended up gutting that buils though

[stoic spruce]

GOOD

[dark kernel]

I don't know what rogues played a lot in later patches but I heard multi strike Sub was kind of meta

[stoic spruce]

WE HATE GUILE

RAHHHH

[stiff cedar]

Wait you'll be able to get glorious T? This might completely revamp my plans to not really touch mop

[dark kernel]

It does not carry over to retail fyi

Unless Blizzard does some big mega surprise merging classic to retail which they said they never would do, but who knows.

[glass bear]

I think they would get more activity if they did some sort of merge

[dark kernel]

Yeah and then the ENTIRE game community would have the largest shit fest known to man

It would be biblical because tons of people would be playing classic while over retail then, since it would be easier to get gladiators there

[gilded gulch]

ran over by turbo

and wwdk

[grave basin]

bois

this week

we get this finally

1h glaive like sword

[hidden moth]

What’s that from

[spring bough]

Where dis at

[grave basin]

timewalking

[hidden moth]

From?

What time walking

[grave basin]

timewalking yes

legion

this week

[spring bough]

Bro isn’t playing Warcraft anymore??? What???

[hidden moth]

Hasn’t he been on league

[gilded gulch]

I mean the guy finally realized wow streaming is terrible for views.

[spring bough]

Hell yeah. Bout to buy up some rep and get my legion order hall set done 🔥

[grave basin]

nightforged spellblade

for those wondering of the name

[orchid plinth]

MoP in one week and 11.2 in two, game is as dead as it possible can be -> farm "content" meanwhile? TFW every wow streamer

[exotic dove]

Looking at activity numbers for shuffle game doesnt seem dead. I take people saying WoW is dead as a meme at this point

Lovely went 1-5 cause pallies cant keep me up ROFL boomy mm and ret lobby

two hpals

and they blame me

[orchid plinth]

Dead as content, not game

[exotic dove]

I linked them the arena logs statistics I linked in here yesterday about spec win rates in shuffle

they got mad

If I was sub I would have lived at least a few of those rounds

Ima just say it. It is far easier to climb as sub than assa based on personal experience

Keep in mind I am highly frustrated with Assa

as I say this just getting out of that lobby

[tight hill]

For someone that’s new to rogue you think? I know the advice for most new players is always Assa first

[exotic dove]

Well yeah new players play assa but if you know how to play Sub its less frustrating and a much easier climb

[tight hill]

Fair, my first season I’ve started with assa, deffo sub felt harder at first coming from a warr but enjoying sub a lot more now. Some lobby’s I wish for assa tho, garrote silence is op sometimes

Hit a wall at like 2200 with assa tho but that’s probably mostly me being new

[grave basin]

sub's biggest problem is your own teammates

[brave fern]

Them breaking your cc?

Or just being bad peelers

[tight hill]

The old stormbolt mid cc chain

[grave basin]

hpals that spam hoj into your DRs

and warriors that NEED to shockwave the whole team

fel nova, binding shot, sweep

all piss

[worthy crag]

You dare question the huge value of triple dr triple stun of fel eruption 2 seconds from dr reset?

Just do dam

[exotic dove]

To be fair the just do dam actually is winning the games for me as sub also hither mmr not many dr your stuns

it happens but not as frequesnt as like 1800-2100

mmr range

Get a full stun lock and killing people in bomb is very satisfying as Sub

[grave basin]

btw there's a 2x undermine rep event going on

so if you need yourdarkfuse rep

this is the time

[exotic dove]

well fuck I got the mog before that happened should have waited lol

[agile kite]

i think its dead in the sense so many more people do casual bgs

i think retail pvp is healthy but competitve pvp isnt likely attracting new players

where as casual pvp is

[exotic dove]

You know I want to question this I really do can someone tell me how does Assa has a lower win rate at all ratings selection than outlaw now in shuffle? https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated Solo Shuffle&sortKey=winRate&minRating=0&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=&trendChartStat=representation

Its not by much but still

[agile kite]

sometimes in fighting games specialist characters have a higher winrate because anyone who plays them, only plays them

maybe same with outlaw

or good players going to try it out

[tight hill]

woah assa is the lowest winrate dps spec on that

actually kinda surprised

[exotic dove]

Yeah like what

[agile kite]

so many youtube videos are telling new players to play assa

[tight hill]

but its consistent across all ratings too

[exotic dove]

I cant figure it out

[tight hill]

not even offset by the lower brackets

[agile kite]

yeah that is weird

[tight hill]

maybe cus ret is so popular now and it counters

[exotic dove]

Maybe but ret been popular for a while now it has to be something else but I dont know

Its lower than the results I linked yesterday

and I cant wrap my mind around it

[tight hill]

is this just ppl using arenalogs though?

or does it pull from blizz or something

[exotic dove]

When I asked people about it its pulls data from Shuffle ladder data etc

This isnt 3v3 or blitz

just shuffle

[agile kite]

im shocked shuffle is more played than blitz

feels like Blitz should be more popular in theory

[exotic dove]

I think blitz was last season when it was introduced but it does seem shuffle has more partipation now

[agile kite]

think blitz has too many maps

if it was like 4 it would be perfect

if you get stuck in a 1200 lobby they have zero idea how to play some of the maps

[exotic dove]

The other thing is too is apparently 1800 is easier to get in shuffle than blitz as well so that could be a driving factor

for many

[agile kite]

i think thats a huge part of it too yeah

[tight hill]

the rating system seems completely broken for blitz imo

like i'd love to see someone thats good at the game start from a tanked mmv and climb out solo

maybe on rogue you can carry some games idk

[tight hill]

drustvar has it close to 51/52%

which makes more sense imo, otherwise how would ppl climb

[exotic dove]

ah ok so arena logs is just flawed data

good to know

[tight hill]

most things on drustvar are close to 50% as you'd expect, except for fire mage at 2400+

lol

28% winrate, thats gotta be a bug or something

[agile kite]

it somehow is very easy to climb to 2.1 if youre not great

while also being not great if youre very good

Blitz should be a much easier 1800, it should be the absolutely free bracket (right now its rng and slower)

[hidden moth]

Blitz issue for me is caped cr

Earlier this season I was 2400 winning 2800 mmr bgb

And getting 20 cr a win XD

Where if that was shuff it would be like +200 cr

Also maps in bgb are so annoying, how is there 9+ idr if there is more but ik there’s at least 9 maps

How am I getting temple of kot on 4/7 games played and the chance for that map should be 1/9

[dark kernel]

Glad mount for everyone

[exotic dove]

Thats honestly not bad

[balmy shuttle]

Worst thing about Blitz is how the games at high 2.8k+ MMR are easier to win & carry than at low MMR. Low MMR players are griefing their mates and themselves 24/7 and it drives me crazy.

[agile kite]

also even if you only win, 1800 can take a bit on fresh mmr

+20 cr is just so slow

[exotic dove]

Got back to where I was after a bad q session yesterday and this is how you know you are back where you should be

No more 15 minute qs

Oh hell yeah the Q popped and I had my first unholy Lobby as Assa

I felt like a god

[jolly sierra]

crocc

Florida mount

[dark kernel]

King K Rool ass mount

https://tenor.com/view/super-smash-brothers-ultimate-king-k-rool-nintendo-roar-trailer-gif-12685646

[potent pivot]

[fresh ermine]

lol low mmr

blitz

i waited 30 minutes ran in 4 times didnt get a single heal

lost

[worthy crag]

Have u tried pressing recuperate?

[wintry dew]

good ol' recuperate

[gilded gulch]

the most troll shit imo is unholy dks vs dhs

you just give the guy infinite leech to beat your ass with

[worthy crag]

When ur out of steps, vial, feints, vanish, evasion and cloak, pressing that 10 yr old recup macro might do something

Where are the sin rogues when im queueing my sv hunter though

[gilded gulch]

tbh i miss when pet rez was a long ass cast

and i'd just kill hunter pets and not let them rez

[hard compass]

Just press cds, and anticipate every potential 1.5s kill window by pressing those cds in advance

But don’t pre-wall air cos that means ur bad

[exotic dove]

Unlucky I am qing some sub games right now to take a break from Assa

@worthy crag

[exotic dove]

true

[hidden moth]

What is that lol

[exotic dove]

6 month sup mount

[cobalt crow]

Guys any of you are having stealth bug on Blitz as assa? Sometimes can't go invis until bg is over and nothing helps

[hard compass]

Are you playing deathstalker build?

[cobalt crow]

it is on both

[hard compass]

There are a few bugs in place since ptr which inconsistently break stealth and/or prevent dropping combat

[worthy crag]

i would take a sub in my lobby still

just to rotate disarm ice trap knockback trap tar trap on the sub rogue every dance

not that it'd give me a win but its fun to infuriate them

[spring bough]

confirmed?

whats the requirement

oh you trollin

[dark kernel]

It's a literally for just having a recurring 6 month or yearly sub

Yeah I am lol

[spring bough]

ofc i login and people already chillin ateast 6 of em in dorn lol

[dark kernel]

It's because they get automatically added to your account like and stuff

I'm sure I have one waiting for me

[exotic dove]

My one rogue I talked about that tanked super hard yesterday that I got insanely frustrated with. Today ended up so much better than that bad Q day on it lol

Tanked to 2100 and back over 2300 and higher than before on that alt

not far from my main rogues assa mmr

well its about 90 off

[worthy crag]

is meld even that good if ur running no subt build

[potent pivot]

You mean for sub? It’s kinda w/e ye

[worthy crag]

yeah i imagine law and sin will still run subt

and i havent played sub since the 1 vanish build meta

[potent pivot]

100% yea

[worthy crag]

but i imagine orc is miles better than everything else now

[potent pivot]

Eh

[worthy crag]

i edited that for sub

[potent pivot]

For sub exclusively race is kinda whatever

[worthy crag]

maybe i can finally be human again

[potent pivot]

For sure

[worthy crag]

still dreaming the relent dream though

[potent pivot]

Nelf, orc, human, dracthyr even

Even seen some go gnome

[pastel burrow]

Escape artist is just really sexy

[worthy crag]

alot of people sleep on the 2% extra stat on human

esp going towards the end of an expac

imagine, one could be a tauren rogue and triple dr warstomp the enemy team

just to make sure your teammate dh doesnt do the same 1 second from DR reset

[vocal surge]

It's kinda iffy

[worthy crag]

Lmao the devs still havent fixed this auto thistle tea?

ffs

guess they dont see it as an issue

[potent pivot]

it really isn't tbh

[worthy crag]

its still annoying

esp knowing it doesnt care about relentless strikes energy regain

[hidden moth]

just be assa

dont use tea for energy and only for dam buff

[hybrid sapphire]

im stuck between 2.2 and 2.3 (shuffle) so im trying to comm with my team in shuffle for a strat (even just a main kill target) and they dont respond

even when i try to tell them what i plan on doing they just ignore me lol

im not sure what to do

im kinda sick of this bracket and idk how much of the problem is me and how much of it is... well, not me

[worthy crag]

trying to make people to join voice comms over a matchmaking system is the most pointless thing ever imo

[hybrid sapphire]

not voice comms

just chat

[worthy crag]

that one is a hit or miss

sometimes ppl will listen sometimes they wont

doesnt hurt to try tho

[hybrid sapphire]

well it kinda does bc i feel like im the only one trying to formulate a plan lmao

and im not seeing any progress

[worthy crag]

Could just be a bad luck and bad day

some people just religiously refuse to communicate

[hybrid sapphire]

also theres so many fuckin rage quitters in this bracket its nuts

[grave basin]

Gotta have aura buddy

Assert dominance

[hybrid sapphire]

already tried they still ignore me ijbol

i know i should do regular 3s but im scared

im trying to figure out where else to look in my own gameplay but its hard when the rest of the lobby is just pissing around it feels pointless

[hidden moth]

Maybe they are all chat banes

Banned or have chat turned off

To avoid the ban

[hidden moth]

No no

U can still see what u can do better

In shuffle u gotta be an egoist

The other 2 players on your team are trash and only there to be used for your gain

[hybrid sapphire]

yeah idk how and it feels like even if i do some rsham is gonna ruin my day anyway

[hidden moth]

Use them and carry their sorry bitch asses

[hidden moth]

How does rsham ruin it?

[hybrid sapphire]

i hate rshams

[hidden moth]

I love em

They are so cute trying to capacitor as I step away

Only annoyance is the root but

Priest got root, same with rdruid and monk

[hybrid sapphire]

they always die all the time

[worthy crag]

playing rogue for the first time after kidney CD got upped to 30

sub doesnt feel that bad so far

[stoic spruce]

I don't notice it tbh

I save kidney for teammates CDs

[hybrid sapphire]

im not really liking death from above against casters

i guess its still better than the laternatives

[dark kernel]

get me the fuck away from 2100 MMR

the games are god awful until like 2200

it's actually a little unreal this late in the season

you get games where healers can just be rushed down nobody presses anything

and these people are like...2050

at least the healers are

[hybrid sapphire]

no matter what i do against warriors i cant do anything

i just instadie

idk what to do

ive tried

1. dragging warrior onto healer to cleave both
2. maining the other DPS but all my kidneys/disarm go on war
3. tunneling the war
4. tunneling the other dps
5. dps on all three and hope they die by attrition

but someone on my team always dies (usually not me) meaning we're clearly not doing enough damage

[worthy crag]

prefeint the stuns and outdamp

[glass hazel]

normal

unless it is fully rdps lobby then you will die 0:6

[hybrid sapphire]

matches never last long enough for them to become dampening games

[hybrid sapphire]

what should i do then

[worthy crag]

go sub maybe?

[hybrid sapphire]

:\

[worthy crag]

is sin ass now or what

[hidden moth]

no

i think he is just having trouble with it at the moment as he isnt getting free wins anymore in his bracket

[glass hazel]

shadowstep from them, use evasion when they burst and feint, pray that your heal is good

[hidden moth]

circuit bro ur just gonna have to git gud

[glass hazel]

nothing much you can do actually

[hidden moth]

i know ur frustrated but malding isnt going to help

[hybrid sapphire]

thats why im here asking for advice!!!!

[hidden moth]

ye

but no amount of advice can = mechanical skil

ur gonna need to play matches and train ur brain and hands to keep up, get better at tracking info whats happening with ur healer is he cc is he about to be cc stop the cc or when to go in or get out

[hybrid sapphire]

schtabby i ask for advice so i can apply it... then it'll become mechanical skill

[hidden moth]

should i step offensive or defensivly here etc

all stuff ur gonna have to learn in real games

yes and my advice is to run games

[glass hazel]

get wa for enemy cds and healer cc

[hidden moth]

no flame

[glass hazel]

so you will know when to press your defs

[hidden moth]

this is my healer cc w/a

!WA:2!fE1wSXXvzyVzbvLfrWXnyrAJGHan0GqoZLDUSfvI2XzDw3gFrZUPjffPDpZmNDNtZSZmCMZA7TVv)ues9f)ap0NqRkxKabKfsfG4Q5(9dlxuEKgbVWlifjEcKk)NzM1oHuRAz55C5))7)Y5)MlTYcdwWFb)BDHXeV4OwXdPE4YUBJ6hV6L27sH1UCWAxANMtrdzbX0nsyK4O0ktq(V0Wug2Fn0oh7WnKOJrhTrVEPy2F)utqrEalBgtIyUl3y92nCM6fhh6hVDuRTjj4UQdPHjNjGXssFMlCbHixIeFHdK5f0mPiVmbA4KYquwVKp0aCAkQpUtVy6aeRJYsPj4WWv9loWokocVRFCN04Hr(D3Fg5Srj4PRUER21xF5gDwUz920IRswSzJ6xPHJ0Yll9msp1baogaPGKaNm0s(KRgXW0Eip8nQ77dQ1nUggDZ6dPO0BSz82yA2Y1W(e0nAj4i9gPXri6sX9772JersdQydFyv2Lrj97JPPN4C0IL369FVHP4ltJhM0XdyM1DC)Sn04q85CZvYU2Gb88Dfu2b5MgtDxl2h31jcbQALjEXdCjryXztsdI3UjPFaoLn2h7oSxV2GpG2SUZARC1Rqbewhyk4(cOYVF5quAAW9sh6I3chXAbhr2zsNLR3QDhWX50o5X7FO6TbagIftx4tjGOXoWlvRCpxxNm(DBIrHSdXBtkgWZP1MnUYvSfVhoiWDPApeCiojWR7ODlC9Pv2xCv2oIF6NVVJUIUsvhLA6MMUQkAg1uS1001Dvum1vnCQAw1sbUqXc(Oywtwhitvrxf(iBQyKVZq1whO5S1Q5OQQBk7QiRQPxZ2qt3YXQMPHbCUPSMTHPvnhnzvlnB9QwvbPyzuRMaktndBfttd1QYw2QY1Q6QAzAQOcYwvXsWPPSnSqZrtZ0Yq1sxZrvw2WaKLEvvHoAAPcCzAAwtvOWUkgkA6vDuTunvD0ummuCSubdeqe2RPvdSszZC11u2e0DaPAGLufavrx2eGqPMMWWvSalx1qw3bWuw3fGrtx1vtUMMQvMmnZ)a2KQISLPMWNjlxn7JIC(hb3MwG4unSuQLRFA5F0ZutfbbGTioYunhqtxn4Db0vHbQbhklRiCzaiAcBuTkGOQmypaL6wwgk2wGbMtNH4d8RRg4(QAj8PQGlbEvnn415R4QziBjBamQBaVmgvLRw1bOrgcjGhiriHSsvqHaDWOw(hHxXsRQoGPQk8bE8mS0DH3n9QvbxcWN4qnfv4fQQg8sQaXbGtRQHSwnWPPBycHpA1ammCaD1qz)z5NoqgzwoOidAtedkkefSRirsel3DYdKLSG8EWFZZWRKCsr5STWTZ3lst)QZDFIOOsek8fGYbqTUVY9sOX9PqLN8AXF8Zm3X2dfrGIBWTg8t8cCf3e4EmBxmkflYQ5ZVVyzlgfh1Nf8yt9H0hb5z19OPyOYUFk)1T7H8X2dqKOv4FXhJRWNN)L4Fz(xa(E6ItE9zNafnsrmbo4a6w562ZpgsMDW9fLK)SlYvMcBDrE3uyWr(9M6gt9X0oXzDakpPyBk5LXhF)InEXHX0NRuPsLVxXjBrsjUGdDg5yFOO8jB9zgIOyPvgggkDTacdZv2tiTmA6X)6L4FJ3n)2px5Mx8nwCrP5M70LkZNeW)M8Vfye35qck18I)Zx71(HV1B9Vk)2tqZlEVPt)BZn3hP0rsWBE7Bda8FAEX)XDUdS4nFirDRNizbgEhwN0ae0A765T)kLC6SdZ(trVQ0If8537G7o7tLKm)dW(Yh6EYpfh2lRdQA7n2m5XZodAfhlIg8UgXNfyxh2E)C5q2b7ND4RK8rFeXN0HrgG7eI7J8g1PxyCmT7(zei6Et6nIF8X0yg8E3go0E9nwVXBJrKuSWraMpxHcpkI7to)rjq)rq3jIxhwae0ga9)hnoJQ8iHYWp7vWveBCJDeH2PBJgL8Hpkabk8iIWXYpKN)fN55)GhfJ57knn7QTHiPRrrj7ETIftpqlYAuUXvBFLvxVX08PyMbEUdBwi7(5x2jr8cTpWrdNo2B0U9gRDiyTGO)lxGYbbhshLkoi2VJiLR7Ton)3wI)T37GHt4)e(pL)DDZHN)94FF(p4v4)Xs8Fe)48FmFF(VPeen(Zk8ipS44)Im3m)xY)v8)APhIKc769WFJs8Fh)3ZN2L)DYc)4)boN)N2l3MGyp(F5Y8F(i(VUSBagMQG9Q2HXi)pxwvprcEWEIvrqNEAGldfcn8x0zWWqgPsgnIPy664jgXyr(9Qyl2VOBkjQFiMEP6Rv)YnCSHo(EIBNsIG59I8YNBRITqaW5NZbkjeH6ow4H8ZxNmpGE9IbqZMhnaMlsu40LmijMYComoBcjk3BdXolobw6HBiMmj9rqHefmMMvNtelylMmEVdsfH8eG62WOSmssa)F31fUUhPFfBOKP3oLU(LiPjHOrPsSaSKGxP4EzR98Kq96HHMar9LgbAPuamJeMkHI8L8cqr9X50ju5zmLxYtc55blemYIZox4Ae0aGsIKY8gspnlGKkb)oaJIysGjk5NK(jKGjfPJYeMaGEucg6hC(CyYBgj5HIKCXsqWGqaaxsINib0pivP4SbYZqUq3hkgrwYDitABcuSookCKKy4Zm(cHxQuMeocpyuMM2ty3cTvcndaqeAP5gq6svAgdMfqZhdWch9sXJKiSLQ0imDuKZ2IABVQdkmjavo5uZ(Vje1RaFocsj9HxF8aii0vDj5Lu0hZI9kAE9bk91EYZs8tEYM5If0MNoZrJ9l8XPN3(LJJhS57sW5KEuO7o0sfXqLVFE2YkIJereUTw2PrJ1twacewUqlG25oImx1He)jwHV0lI63A1R(YousKqdGUO7mRiYmfVb0QlySO5mj7FZ5tFohVaS3nxHFMYNno5Sp7Z6SfkCiEbLD3crjcdKwmJmnpCj9jo3DlDIs7cZma1SyJ4)xy)79q(HlDgG6t8UBP33Khym)7w6KzC29ULwi5uqn8LQU0d3p(rXXBiyfao3T0PEu21FNyhIDtfdPCuay8obaF(JIvT)pw3DM)n4(3eJtQlkRWCeP9blKs1xsP2skQlS1F(6)Vd

[glass hazel]

SweepyBoop's PvP Helper

i like this one

[stoic spruce]

What is bro yapping about?

[hidden moth]

sweepy bops is so fuckin good

[stoic spruce]

Kidding btw

[hidden moth]

nice lil symbol over my friendly nameplates so i can easily discern where my healer is and other dps etc

[glass hazel]

and top target for focusing

so you will know what your brainless brother warrior focusing

[hidden moth]

true

[worthy crag]

happens every patch

enjoyed seeing MM hunters be in shambles when they realize rapid fire doesn't pop the result scoreboard

"?? what me press after rapid?"

[glass hazel]

assa is okay, not goated like retri pal but okay

retri press 5 buttons randomly get to 2k

press everything that glow

even on 2k+ you still not get freedom etc from them

[worthy crag]

there are legit rets at around that rating who would never press sanc

[hidden moth]

Yet they a still talent it lol

[modest zinc]

Any good pvp rogues?

[stoic spruce]

A few

[pastel burrow]

not a single one

they all died at war

[stoic spruce]

They're not queuing rn

One of us is lying, the other speaks the truth

[modest zinc]

I'm trying to step my game up, and I'd like to know how I can do mega damage like .. well.. a good rogue

I'm playing sas, and sometimes sub, never outlaw

sometimes it feels like im rotting a player down instead of actually pressing them. Death Mark and Kingsbane don't make much sense to me

[stoic spruce]

Never outlaw, damn. I genuinely can't help you then.

@hidden moth

[glass hazel]

We don't run kb as assa, it is not good anymore, just pick the most used build and you should be fine

Assa don't have kill pressure, it is more like support we make kills happen

[modest zinc]

I have, but I don't know the damage sources too great or good techniques from inexperience

[glass hazel]

Best you can do dot everything and cc heal or catch target on bomb+kidney

Rest will come with experience, just need to play more

[modest zinc]

how do I know deadly poison vs wound poison

what resources / creators can help me

[glass hazel]

Wound always

We don't play deadly in pvp

[hidden moth]

Depends, we run kb in some maps for bgb, but that’s mostly maps where u are expected to win the 1v1 more so than team fight

[glass hazel]

I thought it was about the arena

[hidden moth]

Ah

Nah don’t run kb in arena unless ur in 2v2

[hidden moth]

Wound crippling always

Idk of many assa players outside of omnivore but he plays it as an alt in bgb

As far as death mark, it takes your poisons and bleeds and duplicates them

So if u have garrote and rupture on a target then death mark

U now have 2 separate garrote dots and 2 separate rupture dots

• the death mark bleed over time

We take a talent that makes it so enemy’s take 2% more damage per bleed/poison debuff applied to them.

So just rupture and gar is giving u 4% dam increase on that enemy, where if u dm on those 2 bleeds (not including poisons and other bleed effects like ct wound poison crippling poison internal bleeding mutilate bleed dot, sbs etc)
When u dm with just those 2 bleeds u now have 5 applied, 2x rup 2x gar + dm meaning they now take 10% increased damage

Also make sure u are using fok and ct when it’s 2+ targets

[gleaming sentinel]

playing some demo after struggling on outlaw is so crazy

[fresh ermine]

Demo is b tier

[gleaming sentinel]

idk, i hit elite with basically no struggle

[fresh ermine]

yoou got xp

played ww outlaw it was baller

[dark kernel]

I've been grinding a lot of outlaw beating my head with it just floating at 2200

Level of error allowed in play just so low

[spring bough]

How’s PvP today

[dark kernel]

Shit

[fresh ermine]

its 11 am

havent pvped

[grave basin]

what's a good shuffle class bois

the superior hunter spec ofc

jk 3 3d cause every round lasted 20 seconds

[gleaming sentinel]

So does new ks feel bursty in PvP? Anyone check it out

[dark kernel]

Devoker plain and simple.

[hidden moth]

I prefer aff, a lot less hard casting

[gleaming sentinel]

I let pet ai carry me ez

[hidden moth]

Lmfao

[grave basin]

i struggled against ww/warrior lbobies on my demo

cant get any breathing room

got1800 on him and breathed a sigh of relief lol

[hidden moth]

Yeah

For aff I just kite and stomp em

[gleaming sentinel]

chatgpt pet spec

[glass bear]

Rogue

[lucid nimbus]

Is there any sort of intro to pvp guide for Sub rogues? Want to try one out and have never played Rogue before

Or rogues in general even might be good for me

[hidden moth]

U can find some vids on burst but tbh not a lot of people make pvp guides that are very in depth

Maybe baker ice has one but he mostly plays assa if he is on rogue, he almost always mains disc priest

If u got questions ask em here

[lucid nimbus]

Word word, appreciate it

as far as stealth goes your options to enter stealth from combat are Vanish and Shadow Dance right? But SD just allows you to use abilities that require stealth, doesn't actually give you the stealth benefit?

[hidden moth]

Well to enter “stealth from combat” u have vanish and shadowmeld (drops combat and lets u quickly stealth outright)

Shadow dance gives u full stealth benefits outside of being unseen by enemies

U also have subterfuge where for 6 seconds after leaving stealth you keep all benefits of stealth and access to stealth abilities for 6 seconds, if you would already have benefits lasting after leaving stealth subterfuge extends the duration by 6 seconds

Ex. Indiscriminate carnage (assa talent) lets your garrote and rupture apply to 3 targets instead of just 1 during stealth and for 6 seconds after leaving stealth, having subterfuge talented extends that to 12 seconds after leaving stealth

[lucid nimbus]

Does this make Shadowmeld essential for PVP? Or a nice to have like other classes

[pastel burrow]

it's not essential for sub

[potent pivot]

Sub isn’t as forced to play subterfuge even

So nah

[dark kernel]

Sub rogue is like the easier spec to be any other race

[agile kite]

I learned sub this patch to hit 2.1 in blitz

Basically you’re gonna wanna learn an opener, 8buttons or so

And that carries you really far

Then it’s split between when you have a giant go and then when you don’t

Weedtyler has a clip of it on his twitch

[glacial steppe]

i was told in game you can buy bloody token gear and turn it into tier gear and it will be the full pvp item level as if you were to turn conquest gear into tier gear
is this true

[hidden moth]

not for sub, outlaw doesnt need nelf either but assa 100% needs nelf racial and ur trolling urself and teammates if ur not nelf on assa rogue pvp

[hidden moth]

no

bt gear -> tier is same ilvl as bt gear in and out of pvp

u may see people early season turn a bt item into tier so they can get 2/4 set quicker but they will have to later earn the conq and get a conq item to convert if they want it to be tier

[glacial steppe]

ok thanks a lot

[potent pivot]

ye someone is capping

[glacial steppe]

ill just use the conwuest gear in to tier then

[potent pivot]

or just doesn't realize

[glacial steppe]

i did hunter and rogue to 1800 so far now working on warrior

[potent pivot]

if u have pve gear u can add pvp scaling to it

if not, then use conq gear and catalyst it

[glacial steppe]

ok thanks

i have no pve gear

[lucid nimbus]

I'll give it a look, appreciate the input!

[glacial steppe]

i had no luck in blitza as sub due to shity teams

[lucid nimbus]

also everyone else's input

[glacial steppe]

but shuffle worked out better and i got 1800 as sub in that

[lucid nimbus]

As sub in Blitz you're usually soloing a flag right?

like cap, sit invis, stop others from capping it?

[glacial steppe]

markmasn was good team after good team and was win afet win though compllete oppotiste of my exp as sub in blitza

idk

maybe i was playing my role wrong

i tried doing that

maybe i was just not that good at it

[lucid nimbus]

I'm asking out of sheer ignorance haha I've never played it before

[glacial steppe]

but yeah thats what it is i think

lik i was asked to sit a lot and i did aiwth good sucess but we still lost a bunch

once match someone even had full pve gear on

[hidden moth]

rogue is the best base assaulter

sub is best but

sap enemy start capping

if they trinket u blind or full kidney

and cap and they cant stop u

[glacial steppe]

like i would try cand get an enemy base i and i could win 1v1 someitmes

[hidden moth]

even warlocks with pets ive saped the lock blinded pet and capped it while he watched from 2 feet away

[glacial steppe]

but someimtes they would have 2 or e defending and i would still get blamed

[hidden moth]

if they expect u to win the 1v2 they are mentally incapable human beings

if u win the 1v2 cool ur a god

but that shouldnt be expected

[glacial steppe]

well yeah thats what most of them games went like

in terms of expectations

like no matter how good i did

i cant single handly win an 8v8 game

sub rogue was very fun to play though

was very diferent from warrior

which have most of exp on

[lucid nimbus]

Isn't the right strat taht if they send 2v1 the team should be winning other flags since they're up numbers?

I know that's not how a Blitz will go often but just from the overal mindset I mean

[glacial steppe]

you would think

but say like on eye of eternity

my team would still lose mid flag

[lucid nimbus]

Yeah I get it, more so asking just to understand my role

If my team loses it is what it is

[glacial steppe]

how much honor to i need to farm via crate farm

im at 4,380 so far

to get a good amount or full set of conquest gear

[hidden moth]

u would htink but ive had times where i was 2v5 on efc and we lose our fc who should be in a 6v3

lmfao

[hidden moth]

eye of the storm?

[hidden moth]

honor or conq? a full honor set is about 11.5k

a full conq set is also about 11.5k a bit less bc free weps

[hidden moth]

could also see it as

hmm they got 2 sitting this base i could go somewhere else

so now instead of a 2v1 its a 2v0 and they are effectivly playing 2 down at some other node

[agile kite]

are you gonna do arenas

Basically get ready for your damage to be low, sub for me was learning 2 things

1. My burst set up and CC chains for that

2. what to do outside of that

[glacial steppe]

conquest

[lucid nimbus]

I figure you can go to another flag to give value and then if they leave the initial one you go back to cap?

[lucid nimbus]

Planning on Shuffle + blitz

[glacial steppe]

do think i should get a whole set before i do shuffle as warrior

or just a certain amount like 4 piece tier and weapons or something for example