pvp

[jolly sierra]

dunno

i would even imagine and dare to have all 4 rejecting in a moment

[hidden moth]

skips so much and saves insane amounts of time lol

[safe pelican]

Best way to run that farm is with a DH seen that on YouTube and it pains me to run any class but DH through there

Hunter isn’t so bad running aspect, running shimmer on mage isn’t that bad either but the cooldown is ass , DK is shit after horse and wraith walk are on cooldown

[fickle kite]

hi yall, a bit confused. in m+, it’s advised not to have a ‘burst’ macro of dance+symbols. but i see pvp guides use them for sub. is that technically incorrect?

also, is it worth to follow the m+ rotation at all, or better to send up front?

[stoic spruce]

Dk has the fastest exit

[potent pivot]

you don't follow pve stuff to the letter for pvp. but no those guides probably just mention them for 'ease of use' its still technically not a good practice

[stoic spruce]

Dk is super good because you can death gate out and back in and you'll be at the entrance.

[pale storm]

Back when burst of speed was in game was the best time to farm raids as a rogue, running around 100% speed all times

[peak osprey]

Any strats for rogues on minecart maps?

[long shore]

There was a few games where I do that.
Or if I'm the FC I'll call for help if no DPS wants to go with me

Then people just report cause they wanna zug mid

I have no idea 😔

I'll just type start of game "Fcing, can Ret and war stay D with me please?"

But then the moment I pick up flag, I see the guys who said "ok" fighting mid, and if I call them out or die...with 0 peels

Well guess what. I'm the one being reported

[hidden moth]

go offcarts unless ur assa go lava

if u dont got good off cart classes for assa to go lava u go offcarts

[peak osprey]

thanks

I play outlaw

[hidden moth]

oh

offcarts

and gl

[safe pelican]

Didn’t know that lol 📝 those gyat damn dks

[fickle kite]

hell yeah thank you so much

[hidden moth]

bout time

holy fuck

solo q is actually dog shit

[bright nest]

I'm so glad I rolled dracthyr on every class that can, having a double jump and free glide on classes that were never meant to have them is so much fun in bgs

Together with stealth and grappling hook I can pretty much get in and out of wherever I want

[hidden moth]

jump glide not double jump

only dh gets double jump

[bright nest]

Yeah I know it's not a "true" double jump but it's close enough in a lot of cases

Gets enough height to breach the walls of a wintergrasp keep for example

Sure you can do that with shadowstep but this way I don't need a target

Unrelated: I play on steam deck and most of the time gamepad controls are perfectly serviceable, but I've run into a troubling complication - action soft targeting doesn't seem to pick up feigning hunters, nor does tab targeting.

So when I'm smacking around a hunter and he feigns in front of me I have to stand there looking like an idiot while I use the trackpad mouse to click on him.

Anybody got any ideas for what I might do about that?

[dark kernel]

broke the curse

rough couple of weeks

[hidden moth]

ye i jsut hate how its called double jump

bc people dont understand it doesnt let them do what say dh can in alot of cases

[bright nest]

Things I did not miss about pvp in my years away from it: finally getting into mostly pvp gear and still having to pop defensives to not die while 3v1ing a ret paladin

5x between the eyes does less than half bro's health and then he just bubbles and almost kills all three of us while literally invincible

[hollow carbon]

As rogue I really started to hate ret Paladins and hunters ngl

[stoic spruce]

Bte is nerfed its not really where your damage is from anymore

[bright nest]

In my experience playing outlaw my damage appears to come from nowhere

[hollow carbon]

Oh and DH ofc, cause they are the only Spec who can Dodge even from back

[bright nest]

I'm only still playing it because I'm absurdly stubborn

[stoic spruce]

Right now it gs/ks wombo combo

Who knows next season

Probably fatebound coin

With super GS uptime

[bright nest]

Jokes aside I'm almost always playing on outdated information, so I had no idea bte spam wasn't the play

[stoic spruce]

Maybe they buff sinister strike for 20% again lolol

[stoic spruce]

It's just for cdr tbh

That and there are no other options

Which is why I'm envious of the other specs

[bright nest]

Oh I'm also still playing outlaw because of grappling hook

But boy does it feel harder to be actually effective

When I'm assassination I just spam dots and damage amps then disappear while they melt like an ice cream in a greenhouse in california

[stoic spruce]

Yeahhhhh

Yeahhhhhhhh

You only play outlaw in pvp if you like outlaw lol

[bright nest]

Honestly it seems my experience that you only play outlaw in general if you like outlaw

But that's clearly just my experience, I was recently reminded warcraftlogs exists and was shocked to discover outlaw is apparently pumping the biggest numbers this week out of the three specs

[stoic spruce]

They keep it good enough to be relevant but not good enough to be meta

[bright nest]

Meanwhile I play out of my mind and do, apparently, about 1 mil dps in pve

[hidden moth]

Idk for me hunter and dh are balanced

The only spec I feel is auto loss is ret

Hunter and dh are tough but killable

[hidden moth]

St?

Also gear score matters

[bright nest]

I don't understand the question

And I'm 656 in pve

Which isn't great but it's not like it's a brand new character either

I refuse to use damage meters but only ever get complaints about my performance when playing outlaw

And delve clear times are comically longer than when I play sub

[stoic spruce]

Hmmm

There's a big thing you're missing

[bright nest]

Clearly, but I'm not sure what it is

Probably several things really

[stoic spruce]

Are you vanishing only during adrenaline rush?

[bright nest]

It recently came to my attention that I was wasting gcds on dice when I already had multiple buffs, having had a critical misunderstanding of how dice buffs work

[stoic spruce]

You roll on cooldown

Unless you have currently have 4 or you roll a 5 buff

[bright nest]

I'm talking about in delves where I don't have supercharger, and tbh I'm not sure why that build doesn't use supercharger, I just do what I'm told

[stoic spruce]

It's probably not updated tbh

You def should run supercharger

[bright nest]

How do you even get 4? I always seem to have 1 or 2 or 5 because new dice are clearing the old buffs

[stoic spruce]

Count the Odds

[bright nest]

Right, right, I use that talent but I guess I haven't seen it doing its job

Lots of moving parts in this spec

[stoic spruce]

There is for sure

Luckily you don't play around supercharger stacks

You just rtb on cooldown

Regular finishing rules

[bright nest]

Gs+ks on cooldown I'm guessing

And what, vanish during adrenaline rush to give it more uptime and spam bte for cdr?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[bright nest]

I'm definitely sitting on adrenaline rush way too much of the time, my early experiences with outlaw used thistle tea of all things so I never felt like I needed extra energy

And I just... forgot about the 20% attack speed I guess

[stoic spruce]

Gotta press it on cooldown

Don't do damage without it

[bright nest]

That's certainly one of the missing pieces then

You know, I have every class at 80 and play a little of all of them in all forms of content and even dabble in a bit of ffxiv, so it's not like I expect to ever be amazing at any one activity

But even knowing that it feels really strange to be so embarrassingly awful at a spec of my highest ilvl character

[stoic spruce]

ay yo

@potent pivot bte back?

[orchid plinth]

yo I havent played any in s2, is the pvp gearing the same? buy conq gear, upgrade to tier? craft some ship, get free weapons at 2500 conq blabla

[potent pivot]

yh

[potent pivot]

[orchid plinth]

only new thing is the upgrade for PvErs, right? So PvE tier gear can get PvP scaling?

[potent pivot]

ye

[stoic spruce]

pretty sad when a crit does as much damage as what every other spec does on a bad day

[spring bough]

BTE smacks

Especially when you get like 15 out of 16 crits on it during some crack windows

[stoic spruce]

it does not

I got lucky

and will never hit that hard again

[spring bough]

You need it to crit over 85% and it smacks lol

I usually get avg crit a milly

Dispatches around 800-900k too

[hidden moth]

Single target

Bc no shot u only do 1 mil dps in pve

My assa was 616 doing 5 mil dps in m+ XD

[bright nest]

Eh I was only parroting what a party member told me

Not using a dps meter myself

[bright nest]

Wait, what? How does that work?

[hidden moth]

Bro how do u not have a meter

Can’t tell if ur doing better or worse damage wise without it

Can’t track improvement

[potent pivot]

you buy an item off the conquest vendor that adds pvp scaling to tier items

[bright nest]

I'll never understand that reaction, like I'm crazy for not wanting my screen cluttered with more garbage that'll make me depressed

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

you dont have to track damage with it

[potent pivot]

you're playing with zero information

[stoic spruce]

I use it to track kicks and such

[potent pivot]

how can you get better or learn without being able to look back on what happened

[bright nest]

I'm now realizing that my issue with details isn't actually the addon itself but the attitude of the people pushing me to use it. Huh.

Guess I'll reinstall it, then.

In seriousness though it's not true that I've been playing with no information. I've been playing with severely limited information. There's an important distinction there.

[dark kernel]

The only thing I've realized I can't track yet

Is my ally defensives

And I don't track enemy CDs

Which I need to

[bright nest]

I'm not sure I can afford the screen space to track enemy cds tbh

[dark kernel]

There's an overlay that puts them over their nameplate or sarena

[bright nest]

Biggest issue with playing on a steam deck is how much of the screen my ui takes up, lol

[potent pivot]

yeah but this begs the question of 'why limit yourself'

i guess the answer is trying to play wow on a steamdeck

[bright nest]

There are mythic raiders and gladiators who play on steam deck. I'm not one of them, but they exist. I play on deck because my mid killed my laptop... and because it's honestly just my preferred way to play now.

[potent pivot]

for some reason i highly doubt that first part

maybe a couple mythic raiders, i could see that i guess

[bright nest]

Well, I don't have documented evidence of a steam deck gladiator, but there has been at least one gamepad gladiator and it's the same control method

Screen space is definitely a genuine limitation in arena play though, won't deny that

If I really had to I could hook the deck up to a tv to solve that problem though

[potent pivot]

you mean like using a controller?

thats a bit more pheasible ig

[bright nest]

Now there's a bug in my brain that wants to play bm hunter or ret paladin to gladiator just to make a point

But nah, I was one of the best players in the world at a different game once and it was an utterly miserable experience

[potent pivot]

i'm not saying its impossible more like.. why would you want to do that to yourself kinda deal

play however you like playing nothin wrong with that

[bright nest]

I suspect you might be perceiving more issues with this control method than actually exist

Consoleport is an incredible addon that makes it play smooth as silk

[potent pivot]

nah

i'm not saying there's anything wrong with it inherently

just saying that 99% of people wouldn't even try to get glad playing like that

just making something a lot harder on yourself if you have the option of using regular means

[bright nest]

An understandable conclusion to come to I suppose

I had a lot of muscle memory built up before I was forced to make the switch, but in many ways it was bad muscle memory

I was never any good at arenas or endgame pve growing up playing wow

I was so hopped up on caffeine all the time my hands would shake uncontrollably and I'd hit the wrong keys, and I was always forgetting to use important cooldowns I had

I'm already a better player on the deck than I ever was on mkb

I'm not good

But I'm better than I ever was before

Yeah, my aspiration is to always try to be improving at everything I do, but to not focus on one thing so much that I hate myself for it

Yeah, I did say I would. That wasn't a joke. I genuinely hadn't realized that I was avoiding it out of spite for other obnoxious players rather than for any real reason of my own.

[potent pivot]

you can make it small and throw it in the corner of your screen

then just make it bigger to check things between games

etc

[gleaming sentinel]

99% ain’t trying for glad anyway 💀😩

[bright nest]

Truuuuuue

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

finally thru all my legion campaign stuff on my rogue. mount inc

yay another 30+ quest line lmao

[spring bough]

1.2mil BTE normal hits on a pally

level up son

[stoic spruce]

prot pally

[spring bough]

ret pally

[bright nest]

Is it just me or is the horde collectively terrible at battlegrounds

My rogue has a quest to win 1 pvp brawl and I've had 10 queue pops without a win. Every time it looks like we have a chance it's because the alliance is down 2 or more players and the game ends early instead of playing through. When they have a full team we get bulldozed.

[keen canopy]

well that's just because alliance players are relatively cracked compared to horde players

you see horde players go outside
alliance players race swapped to nelf

horde isn't bad
alliance is just better
for now anyway

[bright nest]

Why nelf in particular?

[keen canopy]

shadowmeld

I mean it's just really good

especially for rogue and druid

[bright nest]

Stationary stealth every few minutes is all it takes to be the best pvp race? Huh.

[keen canopy]

well if you're rogue you can use it to get stealth again same with druid

so it's a lot better

not that that is the only reason

[bright nest]

I guess it would be good for playing defense in bgs, be a non-stealth class waiting to ambush somebody who thinks the way is clear. I can see that.

[keen canopy]

dwarf racial is also really good and they are alliance

horde racials are just sort of whatever, relatively

which means all the sweats went alliance

[bright nest]

I really enjoy dracthyr racials for bgs, but it seems almost nobody on either faction plays them

[dark kernel]

Most pvpers play ally this xpac

[bright nest]

Granted dracthyr being playable for classes other than evoker is like... relatively new?

[dark kernel]

Horde racial meh except for a few classes

[bright nest]

soooooo am I supposed to install all of these? because from skimming their respective pages, it seems like some of them either do the same things as each other or would conflict with one another.

Yeahhhhhh addons can be a bit much, I remember both skyrim and project zomboid spending more time installing and troubleshooting addons than actually playing my modded game

The phrasing here is a bit unclear: does it also configure the stuff under 'we also recommend using'?

yeah of course I use curseforge, it's super intuitive, just a tiny bit of a chore to pop my deck over to desktop mode when I need updates

much smaller chore than manually installing them all lmao

especially on LINUX

The only pvp addon I actually had up until now was capping battleground timers, by the fellow who made bigwigs. Is there anything in here that replaces what that does, or shall I keep it?

I might as well be new, since I've only been playing on pad a couple months and was always terrible at the game in the past

Hadn't played since legion until like 3 months ago

[stoic spruce]

You don't need all of them honestly

They're mostly qol

[bright nest]

Yeahhh I suspect that some of the qol ones might conflict with functions of consoleport, so I'll probably end up removing some as I go along

[stoic spruce]

You play with a controller?

[bright nest]

Steam deck, yeah

[stoic spruce]

What duh hale

That's cool

[bright nest]

There's a function for quick targeting of friendlies that requires the addon to be able to draw button icons over friendly party frames, and I have a sneaking suspicion that addons that significantly change the frames or change the way they're sorted might not play nice with that

[agile kite]

People will hate me for speaking the truth here but

Rogue is a PvP class

[stoic spruce]

I play controller sometimes

[stoic spruce]

No one will deny that

It's the only class that's never been bad in the history of the game

In pvp

Obv

You cannot have rogue toolkit and be bad

Sub mains might

[bright nest]

I've been told mages are pretty nuts this expac but I remember a time when they felt nigh unplayable in arenas due to an overreliance on hardcasting and getting completely screwed by line of sight

Can't think of a time when rogue had something like that going on

[dark kernel]

Mages have been giga S tier since the dawn of time.

There's been like small instances where the builds that are good aren't fun.

Rogues have never been "bad" per se, but the Mage class has unironically never NOT been "good" if that makes sense.

[hidden moth]

I like details bc I can have it minimized almost off screen where I don’t see it and at end of match etc, I can see my damage profile what ability’s did the most what should I cast more kicks dispels healing etc. I can see death break down. That type stuff but even if u use it for training dummy’s

I’m dummy’s don’t have the same scaling as players etc but, the point being able to practice rotation and having consistent numbers vs the dummy let you see if you are doing your rotation right and which changes u can make to it so u do more damage

Legit everytime I get on before matches I’ll run my opener and such on dummy’s to warm up lol

[stoic spruce]

Since tbc

Vanilla they just fell over

Which

Tbf

[hidden moth]

Unless they kited the fuck out of u

[stoic spruce]

Still a very long time lol

[hidden moth]

Bc no cloak or step lol

[stoic spruce]

We were all bad back then anyway

Back when warr countered rogue

What a weird sentence that is

[hidden moth]

What?

Ur on crack

[stoic spruce]

That's an insane thing to say in 2025

[hidden moth]

I look at warriors like diddy looks at his gf

Dot them up dip out

Evasion

Disarm them

Gg

Vanish/ meld storm bolt

[bright nest]

Assassination feels like it has a very different pvp experience as compared to having to actually stick around and keep hitting dudes

[hidden moth]

Well ideally u do

But not required

Watching people bleed out through a gouge is hilarious though

[dark kernel]

Elemental mage my dog that shit was nuts

No hard casting.

[bright nest]

Well, I can see this is still gonna take some tinkering.

[dark kernel]

https://youtu.be/k5Wieh9MMmc?si=qqzKWI7vVYLe2F11

[orchid plinth]

AoEing noobs blast wave with shatter hell yeah

[hidden moth]

Wtb kings bane + dm buffs

@potent pivot s3 gear guide when

Also plz update for gearing past week 1 😭

[potent pivot]

there's hardly any reason to tbh

the most important decisions you make are week 1/2

that where the most people fuck up

other than those weeks you can just look at murlok usually

[orchid plinth]

exploit bugs for extra sockets and better crafts before it gets fixed that is the most important w1

[spring bough]

back then u just used FAP potion and mages were fucked lmao

grenades too would do them in

[bright nest]

Yeah, this was a mistake that's going to take many hours to clean up, especially across 13 characters. Yikes.

[dark kernel]

Yeah but a lot of pvpers didn't just handily carry these

People were poor back in classic lmao

Gold was way less plentiful, on my servers Arcane Crystals were like 15g

[bright nest]

Gold inflation is sure a wild thing

When the grand expedition yak first came out it was a nearly unfathomable expense

Now everyone has one

[spring bough]

playing my new dark dwarf BM hunter and just went from 1850 to 1950 in one solo lobby LOL

[hidden moth]

Playing mage on pvp server on fresh rn I see u use fap and I just sheep u until the pot runs out

Lmfao

It’s so easy to get gold in classic rn even with gdkp and gold buying and cross server/ game gold trading banned

[dark kernel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/p3EfKKdy9D

[spring bough]

i like it

those the 1H elite glad swords im guessing those are cool too

[hidden moth]

Guys

Protection Paladins are now treated like other Tanks for both queues and role.

New patch notes

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2119874-ghosts-of-karesh-development-notes/

No new rogue stuff aside “fixed 1 button rotation “

[spring bough]

woah big stuff here

[hidden moth]

I’m not even kidding

I’m excited about that single fucking change

[dark kernel]

I don't want to jinx myself

[languid ravine]

Breaking news!!
A highly exploitable niche that everyone know for months causes organised cheating and griefing will get fixed (but you ll have to wait a few months)

knew*

[dark kernel]

But I haven't seen any prot classes in pvp this xpac yet.

[languid ravine]

I ve had like 3 or 4 the entire season lol

but thats 3 or 4 too many

its really such a joke that THE mmorpg has an inbuilt system for cheating/griefing people for like what over a year now?

just spelling it out once more

for the sake of it

[bright nest]

I don't have any idea what you're talking about but out of context it sounds like a classic blizzard blunder

[hidden moth]

I’ve seen at least 15 prot pal v prot pal shuffles this season

[bright nest]

What precisely is the deal with prot pals?

[hidden moth]

Prot pal was considered a healer bc it did busted healing and support in shadowlands

To balance that blizz made prot pal que into shuffle lobbies as healer role while being prit

Then made it so only prot pal can play prot pal bc their dam was good and healing good but wouldn’t out heal an actual healer

So if u Que as prot pal or get prot pal in ur lobby u have 2x prot pal as healer and 4 dps

Making the match a

3v3 dps race

Pray ur class has a dispel

This then turned prot pals into knowing they will only get other prot pals and so few Que as such they then started win trading

This has been a thing since Dragonflight s1 and is annoying as fuck to sit a 10-20 minute shuffle que to get 2 jack wagon prot pallas

[bright nest]

Yikes. That's rough.

Also hold up shuffle queue is taking 20 minutes for you?

[spring bough]

finally got 90% mastery for my sub set

[hidden moth]

ya

is it not for u? what mmr/cr are u

[spring bough]

yall every do skyriding on the old continent while waiting for ques? just went SW to EPL to pass some time lol

[gusty hedge]

usually just dance in goldshire or run in circles

[spring bough]

double outlaw solo shuffle

what in the lottery

and its with a arms war and BM too

resto druid / mistweaver this bout to get crazy

[dark kernel]

Who's the other law? There's only like 12 people at that MMR

[spring bough]

it was elchambeador

4-2'd it the BM went 0-6 and last round me and Elchambeador killed the resto druid lol

never seen him before in that bracket

[dark kernel]

A 0-6 or a resto Dr die

[bright nest]

oh I haven't gotten around to trying solo shuffle, it just feels improbable that it would take 20 minutes to find 5 random people

[spring bough]

that sentence is making my brain hurt idk what u mean

[bright nest]

random bgs need a lot more people and they're usually like 5m

[dark kernel]

You said you have never seen that at that MMR. I am asking you have never seen a BM go 0 and 6, or you have never seen a resto druid die

Outside of catching priests without trinket on a life swap, druids die the most imo

I don't have the largest sample though

[spring bough]

never seen that rogue

[bright nest]

I'm well aware that asking this flags me as the noobiest noob that ever noobed but literally how do you ever kill anyone in 3v3 arenas

Healers make both teams feel like they're hitting each other with pool noodles

[wary thistle]

tbh same running circles around dorn. My hunter is speed gemmed so half the time the "I'm fast as f@$k, boy" meme plays in my head

[acoustic junco]

You don't use damage unless the healer can't play the game

[hidden moth]

its bc lack of healers u dont need guaruntee heals for bgs u can 10v10 as 10 dps vs 10 dps vs shuffle 2 heals 4 dps at a 1-2 heal to dps ratio vs bgb which is 4 heal 12 dps of a 1-3 heal to dps ratio

[hidden moth]

cc chain healer or do major insane dps that out dps the heals

or win the dampening fight

as match goes on healing is reduced so by getting into high dampening makes heals less useful u can also oom them if u wanted to long con

but ur mostly getting kils when the healer is cc'd or unable to stop the target from dying or the heal is hpal and u just run him down

[bright nest]

Why hpal in particular? Are they unusually easy to kill right now?

[hidden moth]

yeah

i love running hpals into the fucking dirt

gl doing that to disc priest htough

[bright nest]

Finally finished undoing the damage done to my ui by the skillcapped addon.

I'm sure that thing is a great choice for kbm players, but for steam deck players, well...

It disabled consoleport and dynamiccam and changed a number of base game settings that were already set the way I liked them.

On the plus side, being forced to reconfigure my ui inspired me to make the necessary adjustments to fit my full spread of binds and the base game cooldown manager without meaningfully obscuring combat.

[dark kernel]

That UI is insane

[bright nest]

Before you ask, yes, those binds are sufficiently tiny as to be largely unrecognizable in the chaos of combat. That's why I opted to include the cooldown manager in the first place.

Having all the bars on screen is helpful as a visual reference for where I bound stuff (I play all the classes, remember) and makes it easy to move things around as needed.

Having one bar that changes with modifiers makes for much greater visual clarity, but is also less convenient when playing a class or spec where I don't have great muscle memory yet.

[bright nest]

What's insane about it? Aside from the gamepad binds it's only a few key adjustments departed from the skillcapped ui.

[dark kernel]

Its just the gamepad stuff at the bottom makes it look jank

[stoic spruce]

Kick hpal win the game

[bright nest]

Eh the shape of the button groups is roughly the same shape used for the consoleport default, I just have separate groups for all 8 bars.

Looking at it again, though, the group spacing could be better to draw a clearer distinction between one bar and another.

[spring bough]

ezpz move

[bright nest]

I just hit the target dummies and it appears my outlaw is doing 800k dps single target and 3mil on 5 target cleave.

Now, the only point of reference I've found is the top scorers on warcraftlogs, where the best outlaw rogues are doing 4mil on raid bosses and as much as 7 and a half mil in mythics.

Obviously my gear isn't as good as theirs, but at 656 that still looks like a bleak outcome to my eyes.

No wonder I can't kill anybody on my own in bgs even in honor gear. I clearly have no clue what I'm doing.

[hidden moth]

I mean raid bosses and target dummies are diff same with PvP targets

Also in raid they get heroism flasks food buffs augment runes and take a lot different talents to max dps

Where in pvp u take utility and not every gcd is committed to maxing dps

U also get cc’d during your offensive cds etc

[bright nest]

Yeah I get all that, there's a lot of moving parts etc, that's why I hopped over to outlaw chat to consult on the subject

Got such colorful remarks as "you'd probably sim double that at that ilvl" and "800k st would be low for season 1"

That's expected though, I know I'm bad

What finally succeeded in scaring me away was finding out that if you have the correct amount of haste you're supposed to have a 0.8s gcd as outlaw

Because of the boost from adrenaline rush and how optimal play apparently has it up most of the time

0.8s gcd for a spec with a metric ton of both procs to react to and cds to hit on cooldown is officially too much for me I think

That also brought to my attention that my stats are laughably off the mark for outlaw, I have 6% haste

[grave basin]

Playing from a steam deck probably not doing you any favours too either

[grave basin]

656 pve or PvP ilvl?

[potent pivot]

don't forget the raid renown buff

thats probably the biggest thing

but all of it compounds into a looooot yeah

[grave basin]

I mean 800k at the target dummy is still really low

[potent pivot]

can't really compare pvp or target dummy damage to warcraftlogs

[grave basin]

I'm wondering if he has no 2pc trinket bonus

Or something is off

[potent pivot]

well he said honor gear in there somewhere

but yeh

its still lower than it should be

[bright nest]

It's a whole mess. 656 is my pve ilvl and I was testing my pve build against the target dummy, because I figured that would give me the most reasonable idea of how I'm performing in terms of raw damage output. I do have honor gear that I use for pvp, but it doesn't seem to do much to help.

I'm literally doing 1.5x the damage on sin compared to outlaw

[potent pivot]

likely some rotational errors going on

[grave basin]

Are you not using bte at all?

Btw, if you run tier 11 delves

In 2 weeks you can craft a 670 weapon

Then in the 3rd week you can upgrade it to 680

A bit late to do that now but something to do for next patch

[bright nest]

How?

[hidden moth]

i crafted a pve 681 weapon lol

from the gilded crests i got in bgb lmfao

[hidden moth]

just put ur pvp gear on and hit the pvp dummy in dorn ur ilvl will auto scale to 684 and just use that as ur base for damage testing

[grave basin]

Use 60 gilded to get a 670 and 30 gilded to upgrade it to 680

That's for pve

For PvP it's just auto scaling so just buy conquest

[bright nest]

God, this is so depressing

I'm doing warmode world quests for tokens to buy mediocre pvp gear, and every time I run into another player it's an alliance ret paladin with 13 million hp

takes all my cooldowns just to get him to bubble and then I vanish and figure screw it, I'll go on him again while he has forbearance

and of course I lose

[grave basin]

Game isn't really balanced 1v1 and NGL outlaw is kinda dog 1v1 since it has zero dots and barely any self sustain

Outlaw shines in small skirms where you enable others

[bright nest]

Oh I'm not playing outlaw anymore

I was on sin while doing all this

I wouldn't even have forced a bubble if I was outlaw

and yeah I've known all along it's not balanced 1v1, it's just rough being hunted to the ends of the earth by a relentless squirming tide of ret paladins

can't even run from the mfs because every class has a billion dots now

[vocal surge]

XD

[spring bough]

night elf day or time to finish leveling the gnome day

also why am i the only outlaw running KIR mostly lmao. some of yall gotta try this shit out XD

[vocal surge]

Im waiting for S3 to come out

to do KIR

[spring bough]

it smacks rn should try it get in that S3 rhythm

[wanton breach]

https://youtu.be/vICeCtuw84E?si=HUM25tMEEUbVUbv5
pretty decent takes, make pvp more accessible and rewarding for everyone involved

[spring bough]

i wanna see them do something like heroic level on pvp gear and put mounts on shuffle/blitz at elite

[grave basin]

This has got to be the 10th video venruki has on the exact same subject

Since dragonflight s1

[scarlet shell]

there needs to be another MMO PvP competitor for blizzard to get a rude awakening and do something

they need to understand that their pvp throne is about to be challenged.

[pastel burrow]

throne? it's more of a

wooden stool really

but its better than the floor

[bright nest]

People have been saying pvp is dying for 20 years.

And yet for 20 years I have found it faster to queue for an arena or bg than to gather people for endgame dungeons or raids.

I don't think people understand what dying means in the context of a game.

Logging into your favorite source mod in the late 2000s, you knew your time to play it was running out because you could count the number of servers people were playing on and every day that number got smaller.

Log into almost any brand new pc fps, and a month after release you'll feel the matchmaking queues get longer and longer and know in your gut that soon you won't be able to find a match at all.

A dying game is one where you almost dread playing it because every time you do, you get a sinking feeling that someday soon will be the last time you ever can.

[tight hill]

a lot of the vid is about player retention during seasons and makes some decent points tbh

rather than doomer game dead posting

the clickbait title is vens lol\

[bright nest]

Yeah, unfortunately any attempt to make decent points reach an audience has to be prefaced with a title that... frankly is just not correct

You know what wow pvp is? It's a leper colony.

It's quarantined from the rest of the game so effectively that upon returning to the game after a long hiatus I forgot it existed for months.

And if you ask any pve-only player their thoughts on the subject, they're liable to tell you they don't understand what motivates someone to pvp.

The answer is simple: we have a disease. One that's terminal for most of us, with an expiration date on our inclusion in the colony. But there are always others who have the disease, and the colony remains.

You'll have to forgive my rambling.

When I'm woken up far earlier than I would like, my autism has a much stronger tendency to wrestle the steering wheel out of my hands.

I'd strongly prefer to just log into the game and get some progress in, and yet here I am on discord typing stuff nobody will read.

[tight hill]

well yh pvp is fun but gearing is confusing to learn and queues are too long can sum it up i guess.

personally pve is boring in most games imo i would play a just pvp version of wow

[grave basin]

Because they enjoy PvP ?

[keen canopy]

well a lot of the reason the wider pve doesnt like pvp is because they're bad at it

[keen canopy]

like they always say "oh well it just feels like im stunned all the time"
because i guess they dont know what a trinket is
or "I just die instantly"
because i guess they dont know what a defensive is

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/horyoshi-arphaxad-pvp-tbag-word-of-warcraft-gif-14823767898589550361

[bright nest]

Tbf it doesn't feel like defensives are particularly effective against paladins

Rogue defensives I mean

I stun them, they just tank it, then they stun me and I trinket it, I blind and they trinket that, hit evasion and that appears to do nothing, dismantle appears to do nothing... only move I've found that works on paladins is cloak and vanish together to just dip out

And even that doesn't work every time

Obviously I'm doing something wrong (huge surprise) but boy does that matchup feel unusually lopsided

[dark kernel]

Warhammer was completely PVP based, so was global agenda

Guild wars

[spring bough]

mop BM hunter is pretty fun ngl

[hidden moth]

Yeah he is fucking mid ngl

When is the last time this guy even did anything high rated

Starting to feel like bellular gaming where he talks shit on the game but doesn’t even play it

[hidden moth]

Ff14 but in ff ur class isn’t a class ur used to they change u to 4 buttons and thats about it and its only 4v4

[hidden moth]

A token purchasable with honor or sum that turns conq gear into hero track from champ if u are 2100+

[halcyon timber]

Ff pvp was fun when more attacks were there during heavensward. The 10s cc immunity added in response to pve whiners nuked it

[hidden moth]

Their attacks are spells so not dodgeable and not disarmae

[hidden moth]

I only played a bit

[halcyon timber]

Gw2 was fun too

[hidden moth]

Didn’t hit max lvl tbh bc I got tired of story quest after quest

Imagine doing 1-60 classic wow then all the quests for mc ony bwl AQ 40 naxx while being capped at lvl 60 just to enter tbc and u can’t do tbc until u do all that content

[bright nest]

Ngl I'm really not digging the pvp gear system in its current form, it seems most people get the best possible pvp gear far faster and easier than the best possible pve gear so the pvp grind is less about actually pulling ahead of the pack and more about making the stragglers feel like garbage

[hidden moth]

Then go 60-70 to do all the quests for Kara ssc tk bt and swp while capped at 70 to then start wotlk

While the other players are all max level and raiding in dragonflight

[halcyon timber]

Yeah they changed a lot over the years and are re adding PvP abilities . Feast soli queue ladder was good till the win trading top.

[hidden moth]

At say level 140 (if level squish wasn’t a thing in slands)

[halcyon timber]

Nothing is like wow though

[hidden moth]

Uhhhh

[halcyon timber]

Yeah def wondering what squish is / could be coming in midnight

[hidden moth]

Making pvp gear easier to get makes it so stragglers don’t feel like garbage as long

Besides once u get 1 toon honor geared u can xfer it to a under geared toon

Also if it is about pulling ahead then stragglers will feel even more dog shit

[halcyon timber]

Blizz has been doing good stuff

[hidden moth]

Imagine if honor vs conq wasn’t 13 ilvl diff but 26 instead

PvP gearing should be easy bc all rewards come from rating where pve the rewards are the gear

Rating only gives u mounts in m+

[halcyon timber]

They did that and people were pissed

Damned no matter what i guess

[hidden moth]

Did what exactly

[halcyon timber]

Gear upgrades came from rating in SL

[hidden moth]

Oh yeah but

[halcyon timber]

Pvers griped saying they “had to pvp” then

[hidden moth]

Issue with that wasn’t what I said earlier about champ and hero track

[halcyon timber]

Because sim fucks

[hidden moth]

It was bc in pvp the higher ur rating the higher ur ilvl in pvp no?

[halcyon timber]

Didn’t see those posts as i just hopped on

[hidden moth]

So like a 1500 player at 600 had to hit 1600 while fighting 1600 players who were 613 ilvl

[hidden moth]

Oh ur good

But yeah pve’rs scream about it

[halcyon timber]

So scaling sorta kinda?

[hidden moth]

But making the item to make conq gear hero track should cost conq

So u won’t use it for pve gear until late season

Besides if u can’t clear +6 keys week 1 of season for hero gear you have 0 right to complain about having to “PvP” for gear

[halcyon timber]

Im sort of tracking here, fuck the pvers anyway though.

“Can’t have x bc of pvpers nyahhh” arguments as always

[hidden moth]

I had one guy crying about grounding totem being pvp talent only lmfao

Bc it’s so good in classic etc

[halcyon timber]

Yeah because it would trivialize pve fights

Same w our smoke bomb . If people cannot understand that then i dunno

[hidden moth]

Exactly same reason dk loses abom limb

[halcyon timber]

Short sighted pvers

[hidden moth]

And disc priest mass dispell is a 3 minute cd

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[bright nest]

Yeah my thoughts on the subject were very clearly not well thought out

[halcyon timber]

Tww gearing has been good

[hidden moth]

Yup

[bright nest]

"It feels bad to be new to pvp, more news at 11" is basically my mindstate at this time

[hidden moth]

Only complaint I hear about it is crafting system bc that’s kryptoniye to people. Apparently

[halcyon timber]

Im a fan of crafted gear being back honestly

[hidden moth]

Ah yeah I get it

[hidden moth]

Same

ESP bc if I want vers mast and the conq shit is only vers haste vers crit

[halcyon timber]

Devs did well

[hidden moth]

I’m fucked without crafting system

Only complaint I have it acquiring the quest for “calling to arena”

Rng and hella bgs to do esp if ur team is full of idiots

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i just get those in bgs luckily

[hidden moth]

Was getting it for my gf

Had to carry heals on my priest XD

[halcyon timber]

Haha right on man

You guys duo it up for blitz too?

[hidden moth]

I sat mid team fight all game and did 400 mil more healing than 2nd highest healer in the match

[hidden moth]

Going to

She is learning disc and j was gonna run it on boomy

[halcyon timber]

That’s what’s up man

[hidden moth]

Might just carry her to. 1800 in 2v2

8-2 rn with her never playing disc until leveling this priest XD

[halcyon timber]

Moonkin is solid atm def lots of propagandists out there

[hidden moth]

Same time she has died first almost every time and I had to win the 1v2 on my rogue XD

[halcyon timber]

Starsurge dreamburst tom foolery can fuck

[hidden moth]

Yesir

Just going bgb boomy healer

[halcyon timber]

Nao we r baddd buff moonkeen

[hidden moth]

Is big bc I can carry cross mid for her and pass her flag

And do massive team fight dam sitting atop of her for peels

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the amount of druids out there that don’t Tokyo drift steal flags is concerning

[hidden moth]

“War on me” bash… cyclone… trinkets… roots XD

[halcyon timber]

Yeap heh good ones are nasty

Every class has solid tools

[bright nest]

Circling back around to this I enjoy dabbling in a little ffxiv myself but that's not really an mmo

It's a story game with mmo elements

[hidden moth]

Yeah I just wanted to raid

Ninja was hella fucking fun though

100 button presses for ur pve opener was bad ass

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it is a unique thing on its own. Just like wow.

Yeah ninja got weird

[bright nest]

I haven't even gotten to play ff rogue yet because I picked the wrong starting class and don't yet have access to the city for it

[halcyon timber]

People over obsessed with mudras just like putting everything into dance like the cultists desire

[bright nest]

And now I've run out of ff game time and too broke to justify buying more when I'm still so obsessed with wow

[halcyon timber]

Limsa lominsa was great

That’s where rogue starts. Love that city. Ninja job chain started at some point.

I see rogue, im in . Dont care about anything else.

[hidden moth]

Lima’s best city

[bright nest]

Main reason I picked up ff in the first place was to achieve a more accurate cosplay of my pfp character

[halcyon timber]

Right on man, that’s slick

Loved housing and cannot wait for that in wow

[bright nest]

Wow has a lot going for it but is sorely lacking in kimonos and good long hairstyles

[halcyon timber]

Hard to when the devs are pressed for time. No easy task doing it all.

Modular asssets take a while. Base mesh - retopo - uv unwrap then scale for different races and such

[bright nest]

Yeah I'm not the guy to say wow has resources in the wrong places, it's been my main game for months since I got back into it so clearly they're doing stuff right

[halcyon timber]

Same if we had body sliders, would need a lot of drivers and other stuff to make it work and the devs may / may not have that time currently as they are working on 3 expansions at a time now

[bright nest]

Speaking of 3 expacs at a time, wild speculation time: what happens after the last titan?

[halcyon timber]

Its a big reason we have “painted textures” as people say. It keeps the engine lighter or shit would crash a lot

Canonically, it depends . We do know a decent bit atm.

In TLT, we return to Northrend and deal with titans returning. I would imagine the scourge have been going nuts with no master for one. Probably some cults out there lurking.
Sargeras and Illidan possible return.

Burning legions have no master (depends what blizz is anticipating)

Lots of plot threads. (Tyr recovering is big already lore wise) azeroth probably ready to wake up too.

They are exploring the cosmic chart, likely something with undeath and iridikron’s lurking ass as he is playing the long game to get a shot at the titans. Who knows but gamescom in august will paint some more of the picture .

[bright nest]

I've heard some people scattered across the internet saying they expect TLT to be the last expac, so it's nice to hear some thoughts on places the narrative could still go

Even when I wasn't actively playing wow I wanted it to stay relevant for a long time to come

[halcyon timber]

People always talk crap. “Its the end “ and “the game is dead” are horseshit

Stories and combat will evolve. The devs clearly said that several times now. They have plans.

[bright nest]

Yeah I get that people talk crap, but I think there's a difference between thinking people are going to stop playing and worrying that the devs will stop supporting it

It's not so difficult to imagine that those less informed would have trouble seeing where the plot goes after "it's time for our home planet to wake up"

[stoic spruce]

Blizz wants to tell a story in a 3 expansion saga and WoW will somehow end after that?

We all live happily ever after?

Fat chance lol

[dark kernel]

WoW2 full reset engine upgrade

but keep transmogs

I would play it

anyone notice swords 25 more conq than the other weps?

wonder why

[hidden moth]

U mean cata and legion

Cata effectively is 2.0 with lfr and new gearing methods with justice points etc

Legion with m+ and other changes to loot and adding borrowed power via the legendaries etc is 3.0

Then really we can look at dragonflight as a 4.0 with less borrowed power return of tier sets and new PvP modes changes major class reworks and entirely new talent system doing away with the bland 6 lines of “pick 1 of 3 options”

Actually crazy that looking at mops talent system I can point out entire rows of 3 where you only get 1 of those choices and we get all 3 in df and Wwi

[dark kernel]

We out here

[hidden moth]

Ayyy

[halcyon timber]

Exactly. The game would cease to be what it is. People mistake the stylized assets for high resolution nonsense and other things. The amount of work that goes into stuff and the amount of things they would have to limit us would make it not an mmo any longer. It would be like destiny at best as that is already incredibly heavy of computed effects and other shit.

As a guy who does it all regularly, it is a giant pain in the ass.

Blizz already uses their warcraft editor program that they custom made. They make fixes and other things just like other studios do. People think silly shit like “just go to unreal engine / unity x y z” that’s not how anything works at all. The entire node system blizz already has set and their layering is already a giant task on its own and it doesn’t just “swap over” or any other uneducated and unreliable expectation.

[potent pivot]

That’s weird

Never noticed

[spring bough]

its cause of the mog

they too cool

[keen canopy]

nah the weapon mogs this season are trash

every one of em

unless you actually play goblin

[hybrid sapphire]

is this the native UI? or is this an addon i have lol

[potent pivot]

addons

you've got some that are conflicting with each other

[gleaming sentinel]

20min wait, one of our healer never makes it into the game. I lose rating. Yay

[potent pivot]

or you just have a very terrible gladius layout

[hybrid sapphire]

its not gladius thats elsewhere

whatever this is is colliding with stuff

idk what tho

[potent pivot]

show the whole screen

and what addons you have

[hybrid sapphire]

oh it was BGE lmfao

[potent pivot]

ah yea

[hybrid sapphire]

im not used to seeing it for 3 ppl

[potent pivot]

you gotta turn off the arena setting

[languid ravine]

18 sec shuffle queue pop wtactualf

aaaaaaaaaand its gone 2 guys afk

cya in 30 minutes

[spring bough]

so many people at ICC

all mount farming prob lol

[jolly sierra]

invincible is fugly and overrated imo

its just a zombie horse which belonged to a fan favorite

that is all

xd

[languid ravine]

ay I m a contrarian and I think Invincible is a 9/10 mount

could use a few more polygons though its true

[jolly sierra]

this is said by a guy which have it

my favorites one are the CM gold phoenixes

[languid ravine]

I ll have it too in 2 mins once bolvar is done afk

[jolly sierra]

XD

[spring bough]

doubt it. do u have it yet? Lol

oh nvm see the link lol

[jolly sierra]

XD

ye

[languid ravine]

I mean Tirion whatever those paladins all look the same to me

[jolly sierra]

i made sure to post the proof as someone would say i am just jealous

[spring bough]

im farming it rn lol

[jolly sierra]

tirion

tirion with brunette hair
blonde tirion

young tirion

ye, all are tirion lol

[jolly sierra]

gl, for me took a while

[languid ravine]

didnt drop the mount, event is completely bugged comfirmed 100% facts

report blizzard

[spring bough]

does this one boss heal itself now? i forgot bandages lol

[languid ravine]

nah it still doesnt

[spring bough]

RIP gotta run out

AH mount ftw tho

[languid ravine]

you dont need the green dragon to get to arthas however

[spring bough]

how?

[languid ravine]

just ignore it :d

[spring bough]

damn didnt know u could lmao good looks

[jolly sierra]

report blizzard scam

the horse is a lie

[spring bough]

same mount didnt drop reporting blizz event

[safe pelican]

Resub day 😭🫠 ( maybe )

Where is season 3

Unpopular Opinion; Flexing your mount collection is 76% of this game

Don’t be fooled

[languid ravine]

but jokes aside droprates feel good, I ve got 4 mounts already

maybe lucky

[hidden moth]

It’s chill, got in wotlk classic with my guild killing heroic lich king

[jolly sierra]

stonecore, 5th try

[hidden moth]

Got that and riven dare mount in time walking awhile back lmfao

Pissed my gf off

[jolly sierra]

i got the rivendare one long time ago i recall XD

oof

help her dude cmon

[hidden moth]

Also not me getting razegeth mount from lfr on my first time in that raid ever XD

I carry in pvp I already so

Do

And I tank m+ for her priority que lol

Tank privilege is amazing

[spring bough]

just got the legendary bow from SW first try lol

[jolly sierra]

god, that is a big one

[jolly sierra]

try the TF

[spring bough]

got that just need the hammer

[hidden moth]

I swp 10 times this week no bow XD

Got a eye of rag and a binding on the rogue this week

[jolly sierra]

damn

seems like we all are into something from this event rn lol

[spring bough]

its got a magical arrow its sick

[jolly sierra]

ye

its its passive skill

it used to give unlimited ammo

OH FUCK I CAN GET THE HEADMASTER'S STAFF FROM ORIGINAL SCHOLO W INCREASED DROP RATE

yes

gimme gimme

i wanna one

gotta check the loot pools

[spring bough]

can we get the mount from strat or nah

[jolly sierra]

isn't from strat?

[spring bough]

yeah that one

[dark kernel]

I got a magic arrow

[jolly sierra]

ye

you can

[hidden moth]

I farmed all the tier sets already 2 for the record

[jolly sierra]

i am checking the rare drops rn

[hidden moth]

Recolor

And got inarius mount

Hella vids on what to farm and shit one guy got a “ideal raid pathing” with u having dal hs cloak of coordination and other shit

Bro did 15 mount runs on one toon in 30 min

[jolly sierra]

i have speed gear just for that

[hidden moth]

https://youtu.be/_xiiyPIWEww?si=Iu1RkrHGDwQAg9g4

Even talks about doing bird boss and using feather to fly right to rag skip the rest even Domo

[jolly sierra]

oof

[hidden moth]

Buddy is zooming

[spring bough]

i wish i could farm them that fast

tidestorm on first mythic battle run too

damn these inc drop rates feelin good

[languid ravine]

Jesus there is a Garrosh skip? I cleared the whole raid twice LMAO

[spring bough]

getting so much mog farming done in ques today

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce hows the elite grind

[vocal glacier]

The Solo RBG grind is kind of painful. This is only my second season trying to unlock every elite set, so I'm not that much of a PvPer...but I seem to go backwards quicker than I make progress with very little control over it.

[spring bough]

@pale storm was that u in that blitz XD

[hidden moth]

i farm 1800 sets in shuffle

just 5 to go this season

[vocal glacier]

I’ve never had much luck with shuffle. I don’t know the alts I play well enough to do that well 😂 I can make more mistakes in Blitz

[hidden moth]

i always found i can puck up any class and figure it out in a week or so

[spring bough]

vengeance reins on my first mythic SOD of this week XD

[hidden moth]

sod?

vengence?

[spring bough]

yeah

[hidden moth]

what is sod

[spring bough]

sanctum of domination

[hidden moth]

oh i gotcha

[spring bough]

been mount farming sitting in ques lol

[spring bough]

Shackled Ur'zu is the next one up in between solo shuffle

[gleaming sentinel]

actually perfect content for pvp qs

[hidden moth]

lmfao

[bright nest]

You know, I was starting to worry that I'd made a mistake doing double crafting profs on 4 of my characters, instead of say doing one crafting prof and the matching gathering prof, because with no gathering profession those 4 characters lack an obvious productive use of their time while sitting in queue

[hidden moth]

tbh

if u want gather proffs only way to make it good is mineing and herbing on same toon

[bright nest]

But I keep being reminded that there is an absolute truckload of stuff I can do while sitting in queue

[hidden moth]

but lets be honest that doesnt make gold bc of saturation and boting

just go alch to get 4 hour honor flasks lol

most of my toons are alch just for longer flasks and some are enchanting others engi for the teleporters

aside that while afk u can sit reading services and craft stuff for people

[bright nest]

I've got engi and alch on my rogue, tailor and enchant on mage, inscription and jewel on warlock, and smithing and leatherworking on warrior. Skinning and herbing on hunter, skinning and mining on DK, then the remaining 7 characters are all mining and herbing

[spring bough]

onto invincible try number 2 tonight XD

[jolly sierra]

oof

gl

im doing classic rn

i need the archmage's staff

[spring bough]

i started a hunter on MOP

[bright nest]

Maybe a day will come when I regret not trying to capitalize on the mount drop rate event, but for some reason the idea of farming incredibly rare stuff that has temporarily become drastically less rare doesn't really appeal to me

[pliant mauve]

Sus. Was in a Shuff with a priest that was walking like a straight up robot that I think was boosting a hunter. The priest would get close to me and I shit thee not my entire UI would get disabled like I hit alt cntrl z. Only spamming escape would bring it back. Happened like 10 times a round but only against him. Haven't reported anyone in forever except for him and the hunter and 3 hours later I get a message from Blizz saying my report resulted in action against someone. What kind of crazy software are they running that could affect my UI? That's wild.

[bright nest]

Sounds pretty crazy, although funny story they wouldn't need any such software against me because my ui is already sabotaging itself

Went into my first solo shuffle only to discover it turns out gladiusex doesn't hide the default blizzard party/arena frames... so they were blocking my gladius frames. Fun.

No idea what to do about that either, been sifting through both the addon settings and the base game settings since then and can't find any way to disable the blizz frames in arena

[long shore]

12 hours more till suspension is lifted 🫡

Can't believe I made it through the week without any withdrawal symptoms

[hidden moth]

I have 2x accounts lol

[long shore]

Oh wow! Do you have to pay 2x monthly subscription ?

[halcyon timber]

That’s nuts man. There used to be a hunter bug with feign death that would fk up targeting and the way to fix it was to turn your camera away so their nameplate would come back. The little bow wielding bastards thought they were slick af.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah but he can do it with gold balance too.

[potent pivot]

🤔

I’ve never even heard of anything like that, you should’ve used your gpu’s shadowplay to get the recording of it (if you have an nvidia gpu)

Would’ve been very interested to see that and spread the word lol

[grave basin]

this game

[spring bough]

0.8 seconds not even time to react gotta love it

[spring bough]

makes me wanna play a survival lol

[grave basin]

i said fuq it and played more mastery + badge trinket for max burst

[grave basin]

this mage was not having a good time lol ( 2x ele hunter lobby)

[spring bough]

gonna have me gearing out my BM for survival lol

[grave basin]

ehhhhh shiny

[spring bough]

1 cast of fury of the eagle on pvp dummy did 6.61milly

[grave basin]

yea it pumps

it got buffed quite a few times this patch alone

[spring bough]

3.62m fury on a frost DK

bro melted off the start of the match lol

[spring bough]

i hit 2milly DPS this one round on a frost DK this is slapping

bomb and explosive doing 2mil a pop too

1 cast of fury of the eagle just did 11 milly LOL

6 mil of that to a healer and he died XD

[gleaming sentinel]

You’re making me wanna try surv now too god damn it

[spring bough]

feels like im playing outlaw with burst

[gleaming sentinel]

stop teasing me

[exotic dove]

He isnt wrong though

Only Rogue spec that actually feels good to me anyway is Sub

at least in pvp

[spring bough]

6mill fury of eagle to a healer and bro melted

tryna get this scythe from antorus. got the cool 2h sword 1/2 down

[bright nest]

In my first rated bg last night I was on defense and ended up 1v1ing a holy paladin for two straight minutes before somebody else finally showed up and we could finish him off

[spring bough]

sounds like a win to me. u removed one of their healers from helping their team

[bright nest]

True, we lost the match pretty badly but I don't have the experience to say whether I was meant to abandon our only point and just hope nobody came to cap it

Everybody else was rushing in and getting murdered in classic horde fashion

I'm starting to see how 3s arenas are meant to be played, but unfortunately for me I still do no damage and take too much

Honor gear is comically weak

Got a few pieces of warmode gear now, intend to start playing more shuffle to grind toward turning my pve tier pieces into pvp gear

Right as soon as I figure out how to disable the blizzard frames in arena...

[spring bough]

only dog thing about survival is how the FK do the pets die 100000x faster than BM

[grave basin]

gotta watch out for pet

mend pet at the start of the match before even first global on any1

[grave basin]

bruh either do the crate farm

or spam yolo 2s

2s as long as you win is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more conquest / hour

[bright nest]

what is it about anything I said that gives you the impression I'm capable of winning lmao

[grave basin]

because evetually you go down low enough in mmr

that youface people your level

and you 50/50 win lose

[bright nest]

ah true

[grave basin]

which is still faster than w/e youre doing now

[bright nest]

and what do you mean by crate farm?

[grave basin]

join one of these

go around collecting crates for 60 conquest per crate

with your raid group

[spring bough]

is mend off global

[grave basin]

it's on global

but you camo disengage mend pet

always

before anything

also exhil 100% your pet

which is 99.99% what you use it for

(in shuffle and healer dps 2s)

[bright nest]

so if I'm gonna spam 2s do I need to go to premades to get a partner?

part of what I've been enjoying about shuffle is not needing to manually search for someone to team with my dead weight ass

[grave basin]

just put up a group yolo 2s for conquest

[grave basin]

ngl queueing shuffle with full greens is quite badform

youre 100% dead weight and confirmed to 0 6

[bright nest]

Actually 2-4 last game but I get your meaning

not full greens granted

[hybrid rock]

playing rogue is tough when im getting randomly brought out of stealth

[bright nest]

I mean it is rough that ticking dots bring you out of stealth but tbh vanish would be completely busted if they didn't

you would basically never die unless you were sitting in stun until 0

[hybrid rock]

not dots bringing me out

no damage brings me out at all, stealth just randomly falls off

[bright nest]

any chance you're using the disc belt? Some of the disc options unstealth you, I learned the hard way

[hybrid rock]

this has been an issue since like cata

lmao

and im not using any sort of stealth macros or /cancelaura macros

[stoic spruce]

Some racials knock you out

[hybrid rock]

probably some other classes abilities are super janky

cough cough malefic rapture

[vocal glacier]

I played against a Prot Paladin in RBG that was practically immortal 😦 Even with two of us on him, his health barely moved

[sharp sierra]

how is sub looking in 11.2

[grave basin]

no changes

[sharp sierra]

so decent then

[rose iris]

hey guys, is outlaw pvp hard? looks like a cool spec to me 🙂 but dont wanna handicap myself to hard 🙂

[bright nest]

Outlaw in general is maybe the hardest spec I've played on any class

[rose iris]

oh

[native glacier]

Fun should be prioritized first, if you think it’s cool and enjoy it play it. Any rogue spec for the most part is more involved and requires a little bit more thinking than other classes but it will come with practice.

[bright nest]

With enough haste your gcd is .8s in adrenaline rush, filling all your globals optimally can be tough even in pve

It is, however, a very fun spec for basically the same reason

[grave basin]

im gonna burst

[bright nest]

Thing is, fun depends on a lot of factors. I like the outlaw playstyle but I'm bad enough at it that my performance sucks all the fun out of playing it

[spring bough]

that dude got bullied in 0.9 seconds lol

[orchid plinth]

Are you playing Deathstalker?

[bright nest]

Do we keep banked honor between seasons? It's come to my attention that this season will be ending within like a month or so, which makes my desire to try to gear a few different characters to enjoy different pvp playstyles seem a little foolish

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[rose iris]

but if ur b ad how do you know its hard? for me personaly to know if a spec is hard you have to know the spec 🙂

[rose iris]

Well im thinking the same, no other goals thna reach atleasdt 1800 🙂

[bright nest]

I do 1.5x as much damage as sin compared to outlaw, and also I was outright told outlaw is hard by people who actually know what they're doing

[stoic spruce]

You're going from a motorcycle to a tricycle going from Outlaw to assa

Same class but worlds apart

[rose iris]

I see! Cheers

Maybe easier to focus on 1800 on assa first

Any quick tips to take?

And easy builds / plystyle?

[stoic spruce]

The pinned builds are all ypu need tbh

It's rather straight forward, the hardest part is playing the support role for your teammate

[rose iris]

Support with stuns?

[stoic spruce]

Play to your teammates strengths

But yeah support with correct stuns

[rose iris]

Oh okay

I need to see a video about that

[iron atlas]

hardest part is getting matched with people that dont stun dr for no reason at all

[stoic spruce]

Teah

Yeah that psrt

You saying that triggered me lol, I can't spell

They'll just send random stuns and throw the game

[bright nest]

both prone to dying horribly under a bus though, just like real cyclists

[fervent osprey]

is assa using deadly poison or wound poison?

[bright nest]

I assume wound because the guides I've been following take the talent to strengthen it

[fervent osprey]

yeah, guess so

[languid ravine]

wound poison always no exceptions ever

[jolly sierra]

yesterday ive seen a guy in a skirmish using amp poison

he died insta

[glass bear]

if I am in a lower mmr match I will actually tell my teammates to try not to stun lol

also tell what im swapping too and when

since it is so fast compared to everyone else

[bright nest]

Has the double poison talent ever been good in pvp?

If there were no guides and I actually had to think for myself, I would have assumed it was correct to take that for both wound and deadly together

That and to combo crippling poison with the one that slows attack and cast speed

[jolly sierra]

yes, in dragonflight

back in S1

when it was unnerfed and had not penalties for the second poison

[pale storm]

Yo @spring bough that was me yesterday, unfortunately we had a terrible pres, was a go next 😦

[iron atlas]

its actually a huge problem

[pale storm]

Yeah DTB was Bis in DF s1

[iron atlas]

random warriors and paladins

throwing stun drs for no reason

ive lost too many games because of this

like 30% of my lost rounds for sure

[pale storm]

And DH

Stun DR is 1 second from resetting and DH stuns everything 😫

[spring bough]

blakekilllaaaaaa

[pale storm]

🫡

[hidden moth]

yea lol

[chrome schooner]

Well it's also that back then other capstones were pretty bad

In the end DTB is mostly "you get to play deadly in pvp" with a numbing nerfed by like 50% on top

It's good % overall damage, to play deadly, 3-5% for one talent, it's just that now the other capstones are more than that and before they weren't

[jolly sierra]

indeed, we didn't picked stuff like IC or KB and or sudden demise back in that day

[chrome schooner]

And also, now that I think on it a little more

[jolly sierra]

huh

[chrome schooner]

Back then playing around direct damage (and so Envenom/Poison Bomb) was much better because you had Echoing Reprimand AND MfD

Now it feels to slow to try to Envenom things

So you basically pay 3 points for DtB because Poison Bomb feels useless

[jolly sierra]

oof

still miss MFD

i really felt weird when it was suddenly removed

do you recall when ppl here tested the s2 2set and ended dropping it? i felt s2 was a very bad season for assa

[chrome schooner]

It was a bad season

The 4set wasn't horrible though

So you could play with it

You could play without

Not a big difference

[pale storm]

I thought it was also partly because mind numbing was affecting GCD back then

[chrome schooner]

It afffected haste yeah

[stoic spruce]

Mfd

[chrome schooner]

Maybe it still does

It's just that it's 50% pvp nerfed

[pale storm]

It was so oppressive before imo

[spring bough]

i wish ques didnt take forever

[jolly sierra]

oh boy that was a big one too

mind numbing was good af before the nerf

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce them dispatch crits with KIR

[peak osprey]

so when the blitz queue keeps getting declined and popping is that some kind of rigged game?

[glass bear]

Most of it is legitimately just people missing the queue after being in queue forever. But there are people out there that try to queue sync.

[spring bough]

just me filling my water during a 45min que

[glass bear]

but the people that are trying to sync are usually pretty high mmr like 2600~ and up and on coms just trying to get in the same match lol

not saying it doesn't happen on the low end just not as common

[peak osprey]

Gotcha, it happened like 8 times back to back

[glass bear]

a ez way to pass syncers is to wait until it is down to like 3-1 seconds to accept

[spring bough]

me and a blood DK just killed an ele and a DH

GG

love me some flurry

[hidden moth]

mfd?

[potent pivot]

mark for death

[hidden moth]

isnt that jsut death markl?

or vendetta

[stoic spruce]

No

[hidden moth]

so does slicing winds just

stopbeing able to be casted?

appently game can bug and only way to fix being able ot cast slicing winds is to log out and back in kekw

[hidden moth]

what did mark for death do

[potent pivot]

it gave full combo points

[hidden moth]

oh

so psudo sbs

[dark kernel]

Why is there a bdk

[spring bough]

BDK went HAM

[dark kernel]

They usually CC bot

[potent pivot]

nah

[dark kernel]

Just peel

[potent pivot]

you don't know what mfd is

thats brazy

[hidden moth]

i didnt play rogue till s4 df

[potent pivot]

what a time to be alive

[hidden moth]

aside classic-cata

slands i played ret mostly

then quit after 2 months bnc i was tired of nathria

also ran ret ppal in 2v2 but couldnt get out of 1400 and was getting annoted with the pvp gearing systems

so quit

[potent pivot]

i forget when exactly it got removed

sometime in df ig

yeh, 10.2

[dark kernel]

Like season 1

[potent pivot]

i think we had it in s1

going off wowhead it was s3 ig

[hidden moth]

ah

it legit just

[potent pivot]

word, basically it was a kinda iconic rogue talent

[hidden moth]

1 min cd for max combos?

[potent pivot]

we had it for a looong time

yeah

[hidden moth]

i see its added in mop

[potent pivot]

it let us mfd from stealth to insta kidney on opener

[hidden moth]

was it on gcd?

[potent pivot]

no

[hidden moth]

ah

[potent pivot]

off gcd

[hidden moth]

oh so like

glorified premed

[potent pivot]

better than premed imo

but similar ig

[hidden moth]

better

hence glorified

[potent pivot]

still find it odd that

they removed mfd and left us cold blood

[hidden moth]

true

replace cb with it

[dark kernel]

We got mfd in mop ironically

[hidden moth]

isnt mop tragic for rogue?