pvp

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean that’s just fried

[dark kernel]

If a person wants an old raid mount they already have it

[potent pivot]

Those aren’t farmable at all in the first place

[dark kernel]

And even then, the mount sits in pixel graveyard

[potent pivot]

Ehhh

Yeah, DM doubles your bleeds so you kinda waste a couple potential bleed ticks if you DM before applying em

[dark kernel]

I can't remember what expansion there was, but there was that time you could make a test character for max level and leave the starting zone and go clear raids, so you could just endlessly spam mount farm

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooo top comment of the day

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-des-caraïbes2-pirates-of-the-caribbean2-pirates-menace-threat-gif-19754159

What’s the word chat

[verbal field]

ye I was asking cause I tend to press DM right after gar/rup but I think it could be good to apply bleeds and per example stun healer etc. first before bursting instant

[spring bough]

we gonna farm all them mounts make all them cry babies cry more

watch as the % owned increases on that one stat website as they cry

[safe pelican]

I support this , I’m willing to swipe my debit card for it though blizzard just needs to sell out completely instead of the drip feed we know it’s coming

[potent pivot]

I typically try to sap healer, bleed both dps if they aren’t extremely spread, then send kidney/cheaps with shiv/DM etc

But dm is such a bad CD either way

[spring bough]

you mean $$ for old mounts? im here for it as long as i can buy gladiator ones too

[potent pivot]

You can prolly get glad without ever pressing the button

[verbal field]

oh really?

[spring bough]

oh shtt serving the queen pvp quest up about to finish slayer of the deeps finally

[safe pelican]

Facts i want that glad netherwing mount sum kinda bad

[potent pivot]

Fr though. A lot of the people that say things should never be made obtainable again literally just want to flex. Like, when the game shuts down, you will have nothing bro might as well let everyone have the chance to look cool

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean I’m half joking, you should still press it. At least you’ll be trying to get trades for using it etc

[gleaming sentinel]

its also funny when like, you get a mount drop on your first try and act as if that was such a grind to get

like bro who cares

[safe pelican]

If blizz actually had decent skins for the new mounts these days re releasing the old ones wouldn’t be so much of an issue but i agree bro that shit grinds my gears like it’s a game let the people have fun but blizzard is catering to it at the end of the day lmaooooo just lets you know the devs feel the same way about flexing

[spring bough]

i got TF in two MC clears. first two on my new account way back lol

[potent pivot]

I have never grinded for a mount unless it was a seasonal reward

[gleaming sentinel]

i cba runnig icc over and over

[potent pivot]

So I genuinely just don’t understand mount farming etc

[spring bough]

you havent farmed one mount u wanted real bad?

[jolly sierra]

i am frustrated af i can't get kara mount

now i can

thank you blizzard

[frozen shore]

should i be able to 1v1 a frost DK as assassination

[spring bough]

im about to go and try and get some of these drops before the july thing starts then i can complain about it

[jolly sierra]

easily

[dark kernel]

None of the PvE mounts are really special once they aren't relevant

[frozen shore]

rough

[jolly sierra]

easy af

[iron atlas]

why is sub in shuffle so terrible?

[frozen shore]

he pulled me out of stealth but im not sure how he saw me, then he beat me to death lmao

[jolly sierra]

pop evasion in empower weapon and disarm every pillar of frost

[spring bough]

i like getting the achievemount mounts from doing glory of raiders ones

[dark kernel]

It's not, but it's hard if people fuck up your stuns

[jolly sierra]

run a lot in pillars

dot

vanish

[safe pelican]

I farmed Razageth in LFG During dragon flight that’s how much time i gave this game during DF

[jolly sierra]

return

[frozen shore]

i'll have to remember what those look like

[safe pelican]

partially why i don’t play much now lol went wayyyyy to hard in DF but rogue was so good then

[potent pivot]

Nope

[dark kernel]

Yeah, they're for sure PRETTY and they match mogs but most of them aren't exceedingly hard, just annoying

[iron atlas]

it obviously is im currently playing games at 2.3 and i cant setup for shit

drs for no reason at all

idk whats up with these randoms

[jolly sierra]

i have invincible, al'ar all FL mounts, all DS ones, all mop ones, the one from toravon, the wod ones, raven lord and shit like that

but the fucking kara one

always dodges me

ALWAYS

[potent pivot]

It’s pretty good

[dark kernel]

The only mount I want is the qiraji battle tank from archaeology because I hate myself

[spring bough]

ima get my shadowmourne done while farrming invincible

[safe pelican]

Someone enjoys pve

[jolly sierra]

i hate pve

but i used to do a lot

in pre bfa

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/raydonovangifs-dontlie-dont-you-lie-to-me-bunchys-pissed-gif-5756632

[jolly sierra]

ye, shadowmourne

i have it too

kek

[potent pivot]

Only thing I’ve ever cared enough to farm old content for is mogs

[jolly sierra]

they are too tryharder for numbers, very crazy for killing NPCs but back off insta when they watch a dagger in front of them ingame

and press S to walk

[spring bough]

i want that glowy sword from archaeology but i hear it takes forever

[potent pivot]

Same

[jolly sierra]

zin'rokh

[potent pivot]

That shit is pretty sick

[jolly sierra]

was pain in the ass to get

but i have it too

after years

like 10 later

[dark kernel]

They are easily the most painful farms of all time

[spring bough]

a 10 year farm? lmao

[dark kernel]

I think I'll spend....3 or 4 hours farming archaeology and I'll get 10 or so tolvir solves?

[jolly sierra]

nah, a lot of procastining and giving up

[dark kernel]

And getting the mount or wep are about 1000 solves

So the average would be about 3 to 4,000 hours

[jolly sierra]

i exchanged a lot of troll shards to prepare the wep

for common ones

and spammed them

[spring bough]

imagine doing that on the first one

[jolly sierra]

then it appeared

[dark kernel]

Unfortunately, you physically cant

[jolly sierra]

sometimes i use the sword w my zanda ret

[frozen shore]

feels really hard to do anything as assassination in epic BGs lol i feel a lot more useful in Blitz

[dark kernel]

There's no turbo RNG where you just get it quickly
The game knows.

[spring bough]

i do a lot of mog farming waiting for pvp ques lol

[dark kernel]

Every once in a blue moon, like three or four times a year when I have nothing to do I don't really want a PVP. I'll take an edible and watch movies and do archaeology all day

[spring bough]

im at 102/143 rogue sets all from just sitting in ques

[jolly sierra]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/sanguino/meimei/achievements/feats-of-strength/mounts

feel free to watch my mount collection and legos

[dark kernel]

Nice. Did you ever do pvp a lot prior with the old elite sets?

[iron atlas]

i mean i really feel like its not, the damage is pathetic plus the random dr'ing everything for no reason doesnt help

[gleaming sentinel]

this is my degenerate farming. I like to go for the toys

[dark kernel]

I realized just a few weeks ago that you could buy wrath of the lich King PVP tabards if you unlocked them back in the day

[iron atlas]

i would much rather play assa and just turn brain off tbh and get 2.4 that way

[dark kernel]

So I have two unlocked, but it's on my old account that I don't use anymore

Pain

[spring bough]

im officially a slayer of the deeps now

sick title

[potent pivot]

then do that, but it comes with the same DR problems lol

[spring bough]

missed a lot of elite sets for rogue cause i was DK maining it from wrath thru BFA pretty much

[potent pivot]

but i can say for certain that sub isn't bad rn

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk I think sub feels better in shuffle than the other 2

Can just kinda play like outlaw and blast

I’m pretty bad tho

[dark kernel]

I literally quit playing in cata lmao so I hit 2k and then quit so I have none until S3 SL

[gleaming sentinel]

it would be dope if like, every 100 wins above 1800 or 2k you could unlock a token to buy an old set

[dark kernel]

I hear it a lot, and it's a common request, but let's be honest we wouldn't use them

Everyone and their mom would have them

[gleaming sentinel]

Just a cool side quest though

[dark kernel]

I went back and looked at all the old elite sets and only like 2 of them even look good for rogues

Yeah

I get that at keast

[gleaming sentinel]

I def agree, it’s good for stuff to be exclusive in some ways

But you still have to get the rating so it’s not like it’s free for everyone

[potent pivot]

it could give a reason for more participation

[gleaming sentinel]

or maybe you get a token for wins above 1800, then above 1900, above 2k etc so you dont just have smurphs farming sets

they gotta try something though

[potent pivot]

most players that pvp on a regular would just get them all passively either way, but it'd give at least a little reason for the average person that just hits 1.8k to play some more

[dark kernel]

My heart tells me it'd be fun, by brain tells me it would just make boosting way way worse for a while

[potent pivot]

that's gonna happen regardless

[dark kernel]

Especially given that Blizz doesn't even perm boosters anymore

[potent pivot]

boostings never been against the rules

[dark kernel]

You're right but they don't even perm ban rmt

It's just 6 months

[potent pivot]

oh, yeh

they do perm piloted shit usually

[dark kernel]

So everyone just has like 5 WoW accounts on the same battle.net so they all share mogs and mounts, they'll get like 2 accounts banned and use the other 3

[potent pivot]

but they basically have no way to perm the person doing the pilots on their main acc

[dark kernel]

Yeah.

I know a couple of people who do it because it's essentially unpunished now

[potent pivot]

there's still r1s that do pilots, rmt, all that shit

just isn't a good way to tie two and two together

[dark kernel]

I had some dude in a match the other day shit was hilarious hold on

Spot the difference

[tight hill]

ppl do it for the mount & title? dont get it lol

some stolen valour shi

[dark kernel]

Yeah, but most just don't know or realize that everyone knows.

Sometimes people will post on worldofpvp about getting flad

And people instantly recognize other players or their check pvp or seramate data as boosted

And they insta delete their boasting threads

[tight hill]

if you're hardstuck rival that long you gotta be doing something really wrong

fixing it probs easier than buying a boost

lol

glad they get called out, cringe af

[potent pivot]

its just part of the game at this point

i always find it kinda funny how people who buy pvp boosts get clowned on so much harder than people that buy pve boosts

[spring bough]

cant wait to have my solo Q glad mount soon

[dark kernel]

Don't give me hope

[potent pivot]

when in reality, the people who buy pvp boosts still have to play well enough to get that Glad

[spring bough]

if not its a new wow accnt and ??? and then glad mount on my main acct LMAO

[potent pivot]

unless its outright piloted, those should be banned obv

[dark kernel]

It's kind of weird.

I've been a glad level player over a decade ago

And today I'm so much better

But by comparison to today's 2100+ players, I'm statistically so much worse.

[potent pivot]

mostly everyone is better now though 😉

[dark kernel]

I mean they are

But I ran numbers and the wild thing is, currently there are the least glads in history

Lower than Season 1 TBC

Which is wild

[spring bough]

game ded

[dark kernel]

There like...970 glads this season?

Or were

[tight hill]

as a new player, 3's is realllllly hard to get into

no one wants to play with you lol

[gleaming sentinel]

its tough to get into 3s when the mount is trash and like you go from placement games to some games against awc players

at 2k-2100

[dark kernel]

You need friends. I found a guild eventually and it makes it easier

It's just hard to weed through a lot of the big egos and even then you still have some litmus tests / banter to manage

[spring bough]

LFG players like 1 loss? im out

[dark kernel]

Yeah.

[tight hill]

can DH unstealth you without attacking?

[potent pivot]

immo aura?

[tight hill]

dont think so unless im missing something

tried to step sap but its like his vault thing took me out of stealth

[hollow carbon]

I also wear it with Pride, such an awesome title

[spring bough]

looks like imo was up isnt it like a 10 yard or more range

[tight hill]

ah maybe your right. thanks, didn't know about that one

[potent pivot]

8y i think

[tight hill]

be nice if the particle effects were more visible

[potent pivot]

it looks kinda far for it to have been immo, but thats the only logical explanaition i think

doesn't look like he casts throw glaive at you or anything

using the Z axis does increase the range of spells, so maybe thats why

since he glimpsed and was up in the air, that could've increased the range of his immo just enough to hit you ig

you don't have details?

[tight hill]

thats the moment i break stealth

i do, can i check a timestamp or something?

[potent pivot]

oh, you do have details, its just transparent

[tight hill]

yh there is no damage on there

[potent pivot]

nah i thought maybe we'd see his bar pop up if he did any damage to you

[tight hill]

when i break stealth

kinda buggyyyy i think

[potent pivot]

yeah idk that seems kinda strange

[spring bough]

1800 range blitz is brutal. getting ordered by some lock to sit base LOL

"then you throw and i report" LMAO

[tight hill]

weekend blitz is brutal in general imo

i rage queued one weekend and lost so much rating lol

[jaunty osprey]

I forget what it was

[spring bough]

i went shrine and we won. prob got reported anyways

[jaunty osprey]

DH has an ability

that can unstealth

it’s supposed to give combat

but it doesnt

It’s not for the purpose of unstealthing obviously, but i forgot what the ability was

[safe pelican]

Lmao toxicity at its finest

[tight hill]

ah thanks, google is coming back with consume magic so maybe that.

Not many seem to know about at least cus i normally get the sap off

[viral raft]

Hi all, dont know if anyone asked that but im interested in one thing, im playing PvP on Assasination rogue and my meld bugs out almost every time i press it, i think its all becouse of this talent [Corrupt the Blood] it used to be Tier set back in DragonFlight when rupture gives u infinity combat, here we go again rupture does infinity combat that i cant even restealth (sometimes) even tho im staying behind pillar and noone touch me or i literally staying AFK waiting for -combat, and sometimes this shit could even breake CC like Blind for example, pls tell me someone could fix it becouse im reporting this piss since this was Tier set in DF and still nobody cares

[tight hill]

what's your macro?

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

It is Singular Focus with Deathstalker’s Mark

[potent pivot]

something's wrong with your macro or something

[viral raft]

#showtooltip Shadowmeld(Racial)
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth
/cast [nostealth,combat] Shadowmeld(Racial)
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth

/castsequence Shadowmeld(Racial), Stealth, Garrote

[viral raft]

okay so

how i fix that?

doesnt press ambush all arenas?

[tight hill]

hm could be macro issue, i've never noticed any issues with this macro might be worth a try

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast !Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

[viral raft]

so i can meld stealth between combat

[viral raft]

how it could be macro issue

when its infinity combat issue ?

look at video

im staying IN MELD

and i couldnt press STEALTH

cuz of infinity combat

and that happens on arena

if im pressing my rotation

or trying to make a restalth behind pillar

[hidden moth]

Bc pve boost isn’t always for the clout

[viral raft]

some times it works okay

[tight hill]

idk not a macro expert. probably both issues exist but if you are having it a lot might be worth trying

[viral raft]

but like literally 2nd arena

it doesnt

[hidden moth]

Yeah it’s iffy

Depends on

Ur bleed ticks

Gotta double tap it fast af

[potent pivot]

you're doing ST to a target dummy, it shouldn't be a combat issue

[hidden moth]

So h stealth before u got a dot tick to reup ur combat

[viral raft]

its not about haste

i tried this

with AHK

its script what does 100presses in 1sec

doesnt matter

how fast ipress meld macro

[jaunty osprey]

Easy oh

[viral raft]

its just about infinity combat

[jaunty osprey]

Dummies keep combat

[viral raft]

since DF

[jaunty osprey]

lol

There is no

Infinity combat

single target

[hidden moth]

Pve boosts are like, I got a alt but fuck doing heroics or catch up to farm m0s and delves and then go to + 6 and try to get into keys that low when my main is 3000 rating, most pve boosts are just to speed gear a alt vs “hehe look at my achievement guys” (not saying they don’t get achievement boosts ever but u get the point)

[viral raft]

its not about dummies

its happens on arena

meanwhile im pressing my rotation

bla bla bla

[hidden moth]

U running singular focus?

[viral raft]

i wanna meld stealth

BAM

[jaunty osprey]

It does not

[viral raft]

i couldnt

[jaunty osprey]

happen in arena

if you dont have

Singular focus/mark

[viral raft]

okay so

ur offer is

not pressing ambush?

[jaunty osprey]

my offer is

dont press meld

if you have

a mark out

and multiple dots

if you dont have multiple dots, feel free to press meld

[viral raft]

brother

[jaunty osprey]

I play around it all the time

just fine

[viral raft]

its literally

[jaunty osprey]

dont brother me

[viral raft]

💀

[viral raft]

but what if i should press meld

cuz i dont have vanishes?

but i see i can press meld

and win the game

[jaunty osprey]

Make

your mark get cleared

first then

and dont consume it/reapply

late game

Alternatively, I like pressing 1 charge of vanish early just to get on CD

and then next time I get darkest night

I press meld before reapplying/consuming

[viral raft]

ye but u shud press vanish only when dr's off and u dont have master assasin

or u should dodge some go on u

[jaunty osprey]

Master assa?

no1 plays that

[viral raft]

ye i do

instead of this

[jaunty osprey]

You lose

so much damage

[viral raft]

1%?

[jaunty osprey]

Lethal Dose is way better

1% PER poison and bleed

[viral raft]

ye its not a big deal

1% or 2%

assa will be always top dmg

i mean if they stack ofc

but its not about htat

its about i cant press my rotation

and meld whenever i want

i need to stop press ambush to apply deathmark

just to get meld stealth

[jaunty osprey]

But yes, obviously press vanish when DRs are off lmao

[viral raft]

like what

[jaunty osprey]

I dont mean press it first global

[viral raft]

could blizzard just fix that?

[jaunty osprey]

I’m literally offering u a solution

complaining about it here isnt gonna fix anything

[viral raft]

ye thats why i come here

[jaunty osprey]

you literally just have to play around it

[viral raft]

cuz noone care about it

i maded like

10tickets

since DF

about infinity combat

thats why i come here

[jaunty osprey]

Wasnt an issue in DF

[viral raft]

i thought theres any DEV's

who could see

and help

[potent pivot]

could they? maybe
will they? nah

[viral raft]

its just so dumb that i shouldnt press ambush

to get deathstalker

[potent pivot]

i've already tried pointing it out to the devs

[viral raft]

cuz of stealth meld

[potent pivot]

at this point we just live with it

[jaunty osprey]

Mo

no*

[viral raft]

ye thats dumb

like why

[jaunty osprey]

You press ambush

just send your meld when you have the darkest night

It’s not rocket science

[potent pivot]

ye i tried telling them that earlier

[jaunty osprey]

hard headed people

smh

[viral raft]

and still i couldnt press my meld cuz of good blizzard talents

i should wait i should see i shouldnt press i should that

like its not supposed to be like that

whats dev's called here any chance i can link it to them?

[jaunty osprey]

It shouldn’t be like that , but it is

[viral raft]

cuz its so dumb

[jaunty osprey]

so there’s nothing to do

[viral raft]

i just wanna play normal game

[jaunty osprey]

ping the dev and you’ll get banned insta

[viral raft]

ye and that sad

we pay money

for that game

and this bug since DF

[jaunty osprey]

I dont

I pay gold

[viral raft]

well other does

w/e

is that hard to fix that thing so i can press meld NO MATTER what

no matter what buff i got

[jaunty osprey]

with your 15 euros or $15 or whatever a month, is there something better you can be doing to find more enjoyment?

[viral raft]

no matter what debuff enemies got

[jaunty osprey]

I dont see you getting more value out of $15 a month

it’s ONE bug

[viral raft]

its 7$ for me

[viral raft]

dude

i lost too many games

cuz of that

cuz of i cant peel my mates

[jaunty osprey]

it’s not gonna stop you from climbing

that’s your fault

[viral raft]

or i cant silence

or i cant stun

etc

[jaunty osprey]

you couldve done smth better

beforehand

or used your eyes or played around the bug

[viral raft]

ye but u couldnt watch EVERYTHING meanwhile ur playing at 2.8-2.9mmr games

u know what im talking about

ofc i can play like a god

but its impossible

to play every game like that

to track EVERYTHING

and do ur best

of i can memorize that to perfection

but its literally impossible

its not fair to leave that behind

i maded tickets - nothing

my last hope was here

[jaunty osprey]

I play at that

[viral raft]

to get any rogues dev's

[jaunty osprey]

and I have 0 issues watching it

[viral raft]

so they can see that

and fix smth

[jaunty osprey]

If Deathstalkers Mark = up, don’t press meld

not hard at all

[dark kernel]

Hey, you are here I wanted to ask you a question

A couple times I have been told that the way I stun is crappy

Is there any general rule of thumb that whenever you have a go or opener, that you try to keep the stun DR's on all three targets somewhat together or something

[jaunty osprey]

As Outlaw, kidney healer, cheapshot your kill target

[dark kernel]

That's what I do already anyway

[jaunty osprey]

kidney healer because it lasts longer and your teammates can cc

and hmm

You cant be the one to CC everyone yourself

teammates need to help cross

[dark kernel]

Yeah, I've kind of realized I need to sometimes CC less

[jaunty osprey]

You also maybe

[dark kernel]

But I'm always of the opinion that my teammates won't do shit

[jaunty osprey]

only keep stun DR on healer and 1 dps

the same

because

you should be tabbing a lot

like after go on dps1 if they press defensives or get defensives used on them, stun and tab the second dps

[dark kernel]

That's pretty much what I do

[jaunty osprey]

Especially for your opener as Outlaw, you want to put vanish kn cd as early for your cdr

[dark kernel]

I have some good games. Ultimately I probably just need to clean up my play

One of my rounds yesterday had a rank 1 warrior, rank one h pal, a DH and I got all 3 trinkets in 20 seconds as well as blur, and die by and we still lost the game

Pretty disappointing, but it still felt right

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, outlaw is in a rough spot

if it felt right and felt good, you probably did as much as you could

For the most part

that’s just the state of outlaw 😦

It is super important to abuse whoever has no defensive CDs though or trinkets as outlaw

tabbing to a target with full CDs up 1 min into the game kinda sucks cause now you’re letting the other guy buy time to get their defensives back

[dark kernel]

Yeah my weakness is CD tracking

I can't watch my own allies at all either

[jaunty osprey]

But yeah, sorry Wayne

Best bet is to just keep posting on forums - posting about bugs in this cord won’t help it get fixed unless it’s PVE related

[viral raft]

thats so fucked

one of worse spec in wow

even more worse cuz of bugs

and nobody care about that

made tickets or na

w/e blizzard dont give a fuck

[jaunty osprey]

Tickets are the worst way to get bugs reported

unfortunately

[viral raft]

ye

and even in rogues discord

i cant get dev's or support

who could help me with that

to give that to right person

[jaunty osprey]

Rogue discord is a community ran chat

[viral raft]

who could make an impact

[potent pivot]

i can basically guarantee you, the devs know about it

[viral raft]

ye but ive heard theres always some dev's sitting here

etc

like its cool

[potent pivot]

there is nothing you can do other than make tickets/forum posts

[jaunty osprey]

There are, he is showing as online on discord right now

[viral raft]

but in the same time its so sad

[potent pivot]

it is what it is

[jaunty osprey]

They do read stuff, it isn’t on their priority

At the end of the day - assume that if it doesn’t affect pve, it won’t get fixed

Playing fatebound is perfectly fine

[potent pivot]

1 bug that only effects pvp players is so far down the priority list

it took like a hundred outlaw players 2 seasons to get KS changed

[viral raft]

they nerfed it

to the hell

pointless

[jaunty osprey]

Not really lol

It’s playable

[viral raft]

its still worse

than deathstalker

[jaunty osprey]

Ofc it’s worse

[viral raft]

how did u know im wayne btw

[jaunty osprey]

Wym

[viral raft]

.

[jaunty osprey]

It’s obvious

[jolly sierra]

wtf happened here

why the guy ivanrah is arguing now

[frozen shore]

having difficulty stopping priests from just running away from me with the flag lol they remove my cc and just kinda walk away

[cyan shore]

I love outlaw. But boy, been messing with assa and outlaw in pvp and I just can’t get dps with outlaw. Had to keep with assa. Maybe I’m just that bad with it, but just didn’t seem to do much

[frozen shore]

im struggling a bit with assassination. i feel like when the team is doing badly, i'm doing very badly. i can only do well when i can survive in team fights/secure kills on things other people are wearing down

cant even get my bleeds up without being CC'ed to death in some games

[cyan shore]

I feel that. I’ve been doing arenas because q time for blitz is taking ages right now. I’m still learning assa but it feels better for me right now

[frozen shore]

it feels pretty good in some games. in warsong gulch i feel especially powerful if i have a team that's coordinating

but in uncoordinated teams i feel really useless

[cyan shore]

Bro, I feel like getting put on a team that talks is a dime a dozen. Teams I get on, one thing goes wrong and you have two people in chat that stops playing and just argues lol

[frozen shore]

yeah i'll ask "so who's running flags?" get no response, and then five minutes later people are suddenly talking but only to flame each other lmao

[cyan shore]

Lmao right! Gotta love it

[frozen shore]

i miss leveling through BGs. that's gotta be some of the most fun i ever had. a shame it's basically impossible to get into a battleground prior to max level now

low level warsong gulch was so fun

[spring bough]

Just do whatever your best at to try and effect a win in blitz and don’t listen to what anyone says in chat lol

[frozen shore]

yeah that's the privilege of rogue i suppose, don't join any fight you're not prepared for lol at least i can hide in the shadows and look for an opportunity if nothing good is going on

found something im good at--grabbing that flag when it drops lmao

[jaunty osprey]

someone was just ranting about shadowmeld combat bug, but doesnt want to play around a known bug

tl;dr instead of never pressing meld when they have deathstalker’s mark applied, they’d rather keep pressing meld and complaining that it doesnt work

[hidden moth]

now that im off work, 1 ahk is cringe as fuck ngl. 2 is ur ahk macro spamming stealth so u stealth, and unstealth in those 100 presses per second

[viral raft]

1 i used that only in scientific research

2 is my macro has !stealth what means even if i press 100times on stealth it WONT get me OUT of STEALTH

[hidden moth]

one of the worst? have u seen m+ and raids this season and last???? its also really good in pvp just bc its not FOTM META doesnt mean its bad

[viral raft]

even tho if i could stealth i would be in subterfuge tho

if u read what i typed

i didnt even get subterfuge

cuz of infinity combat

[viral raft]

i dont give a fk bout pve

i care only about pvp

thats why i said im an assa rogue who plays PvP

[spring bough]

Just play another race don’t have to play night elf 😂

[frozen shore]

i play pandaren because fall damage is for losers

pitch me off teldrassil and i'll be fine

[hidden moth]

wasnt mentioned above how u had ur macro so u know my fault for checking u werent being swift with ur macros and missing important textg

[potent pivot]

[viral raft]

u couldnt play another

theres only NF for PvP

[verbal field]

what is happening here

[hidden moth]

fixed ❤️

[hidden moth]

ngl u typed the bible out in 5 diffrent languages including brail, would be easy to miss 1 small detail

[spring bough]

Play human or something just as good as NF

[viral raft]

its not

[hidden moth]

this tbh

[frozen shore]

play panda, quaking palm OP

[viral raft]

NF>everything

[hidden moth]

just go kultirian

[spring bough]

I play kul tiran

[hidden moth]

ngl kultir is comparable to nelf in bg blitz

and rbg

twin peaks sap fc and knock them off water fall etc with racial

lm knocks, knocks out of good position/ off cliffs into water etc in bgs is huge

2v2 in lm for flag racial now its 2v1

[dark kernel]

Nahj felt that for Sub, Gnome was a legit competitor because of how insane roots are this patch

[hidden moth]

@jaunty osprey ive been running master lmfao

[jaunty osprey]

No bone spike

is bad

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

last season it was fine, but this season it feels like it’s needed

it actually pumps

[hidden moth]

shadowmeld droped combat and i stealthed wow

ignore rotation started fucking around at the end

[jaunty osprey]

Some dummies have infinite combat

he isnt wrong, and you’re not wrong

no one is wrong

[hidden moth]

legit have been using the talent build tricks linked in like 11.0.5

[jaunty osprey]

Yaaaa

it was good last season

Really good actually

but this season it feels like SBS does more for me when I play it

[hidden moth]

in shuff or blitz 2

[jaunty osprey]

shuf

[hidden moth]

i thnk the ma is dec for blitz bc of extra cps

[jaunty osprey]

Blitz for aoe fights, you should def play sbs

[hidden moth]

bc fok goes brrrrrrt

[jaunty osprey]

Combo point generation from SBS

[hidden moth]

so droping ma and what else for sbs

[jaunty osprey]

KB

[hidden moth]

fr?

no kb

[jaunty osprey]

when you rupture in aoe with 3 targets around

all 3 SBS go out

and you’re at max CP again

[hidden moth]

i legit saved a game of tp last 20 seconds bc i killed efc with kb

[jaunty osprey]

and can instantly CT

I’m sure that spec still works, dwdw

just a lot of scaling changes happened and especially as we get more mastery

[hidden moth]

that would be my only issue is droping kb

[jaunty osprey]

with tier and whatnot

[hidden moth]

true

[jaunty osprey]

our bleeds just do more damage

[potent pivot]

bg is kinda w/e

[potent pivot]

you can run kb in bg just fine afaik

[jaunty osprey]

Ya

[hidden moth]

ye i can see it being troll in 3v3 but

[jaunty osprey]

in BGB, fatebound is possible too

[hidden moth]

it can clutch 1v1s

[hidden moth]

i love deathstalker too fuckin much

[jaunty osprey]

you should try it sometime

[hidden moth]

aside the bs singular focus combat bs

[jaunty osprey]

coldblood KB

with fatebound

really strong for 1v1s

And pressing deathmark procs coins

so you can get

a really big burst combo

[hidden moth]

u think with s3 tier we will use fatebound over death stalk

[jaunty osprey]

nah

[hidden moth]

the shiv buff on 4 set seems nice

[hidden moth]

for death stalk i mean but doesnt seem the 2+4 set is gonna pop off as much

[jaunty osprey]

Both will be playable/fine

[potent pivot]

if DM wasn't piss

i could see it

but DM is piss

[hidden moth]

oh so its not just the "using 5 cp finisher eats a stack" dam thats buffed 50%

[jaunty osprey]

Just another tier set where we dont think about it and just play the same

[hidden moth]

its that ctw fatal intent hunt them down singular focus as well

[jaunty osprey]

but get WAs to track your mark and darkest night

to make sure you always remember to have it up

so you can benefit from tier

[hidden moth]

does it affect darkest night damage and follow the blood?

ye i dont have a issue with keeping it up

[jaunty osprey]

That’s what it reads like

@potent pivot ?

[potent pivot]

iirc not darkest night

because that isn't mark dmg

[hidden moth]

doubt but maybe these 2?

[jaunty osprey]

But it says all Deathstalker damage effects

not mark

So the hero tree?

Including Symbolic Victory?

[potent pivot]

like the effects that proc dmg

[hidden moth]

ah

also assuming pvp its gonna be 35% dam buff during shiv and shiv lasts like 1-1.5 longer

[hidden moth]

since they showed pvp effects in s3 are gonna be 33% nerf

[potent pivot]

maybe it does? idk

that sounds too insane

[jaunty osprey]

Clear the Witness gonna be insane

[potent pivot]

i heard these sets

were nerfed by 66%

[jaunty osprey]

sadge

[potent pivot]

i haven't confirmed that myself

but thats what i heard

[hidden moth]

ohhh

nvm

i thought it was 33% less

not 33% total

oof

[jaunty osprey]

It’s ok

[hidden moth]

so shiv window only gonna be 16.5% dam buff for us (from set alone) and shiv gonna last for 8.66 seconds vs 8 maybe they round it to 9

[jaunty osprey]

I just hope we see rogue buffs

all specs

😦

[hidden moth]

"deathmark is immune to bleed removal effects and immunities, it also makes your other poison and bleed effects immune to removal and immunity effects for its duration"

[dark kernel]

I doubt we'll get buffs. I played sub a bit the other day. Feels real strong surprisingly.

[hidden moth]

if they bop my death mark keep the dots and shit just make them immune to the ticking dam for the duration of the immune

[dark kernel]

Compared to outlaw at least

[hidden moth]

or unnerf dm in pvp

make it dup at 100% effect and not 50%

or make its own raw dam go up gar doing 1.1 over 18 on tool tip rup doing 2.2 mil over 16 dm only doing 857k over 16

+buff kb

also @potent pivot ik u mentioned new talent stuff in midnight, what if these set bonus for s3 just get added to the hero talent tree

could be cool to see sum like "consuming a stack of deathstalker mark reduces vanish cd

or actually fuck that

darkest night grants 6 seconds of subterfuge+ stealth combat benefits

[potent pivot]

idk i don't see them adding anything more to trees

like maybe some reworks idk

[hidden moth]

prob just gonna be more borrowed power like these helm chants the ring and this belt thing

arnt we getting a cloak 2 in s3

[potent pivot]

mhm

[spring bough]

people that intentionally DC and play games in solo need bans

"oh no im DCing" then sits there for 2 rounds

[hidden moth]

depends

[dark kernel]

I had some shit like that last night actually

There was some weird AFKing. One round a healer 2 rounds a dpa

[hidden moth]

was my teammate being a chud and then started talking hella shit etc.. intentionally feed fuck em he doesnt deserve the wins

[hidden moth]

prob win trading

[spring bough]

bout to try some sub out with the kultiran got the gear finally lol

[dark kernel]

Play a few DFA games to send meaty empowered eviscerates for 5Mil

[hidden moth]

love losing bc heal gap

i might have been able to save it by going lava but

was 3v3 for off carts feral ret assa vs frost mage dh sub

[spring bough]

DFA?

[spring bough]

im getting 1.6mil evis as sub still need a couple mastery pieces

[viral raft]

i wanna see u doing this every game

literally every round/arena

running from ppl then pressing meld then coming back

when u getting micro cc/full cc

and even if u run away like that it might bugged out

try this like 5times

u will see

[jolly sierra]

bruh

better play another race then like me lol

[jolly sierra]

i play pandaren because i love the race

[keen canopy]

where can i find this unless that is all that is under the pvp section

[dark kernel]

Death from above gets 20% eviscerate damage on top of the deathstalker mark proc for sub

With all modifiers and around 90% mastery you can juice

[spring bough]

does sub use 4 set or nah

[dark kernel]

Yesh

All but helm

[spring bough]

just got a lobby with arcane, feral, and a blood dk lol

[jolly sierra]

gl

[dark kernel]

When you hit the arcane it will hurt

[frozen shore]

Same!

[spring bough]

rupture does a ton of damage on sub lmao

[pastel cedar]

Hey guys! how many prized gladiator (conquest) items is enough to start going arena?

[wintry dew]

all of them

jk jk but the more the better, since other people will probably be full conquest

[keen canopy]

yeah probably you're fighting people with full conquest and more than likely enchants and gems
but like idk just get bloody token armor and then be better than they are and you should be fine

like yeah they have better gear
but you know you hit that healer with that sap and you that kill target with full kidney, no trinket
and he's cooked probably no matter what gear he has

[pastel cedar]

Oh thanks! I think I might farm that 375 conquest chest then

[keen canopy]

oh the gambling item? i mean what are you farming it for

to send to alts or what

because that item SUCKS i dont know why blizzard put it into the game
open a box to get a slot you already have
oh the health trinket for the 20 millionth time

[pastel cedar]

just faster tier set lol got my hunter 1800 and it has been far easier to get conquest with him than start from the 0 all again

and my rogue as like zero items ;=;

has*

[keen canopy]

well if you think that'll work but i've never been a gambling man

[gleaming sentinel]

Betrayed my rogue… 20/100 wins on my demo 😩

[spring bough]

playing DH right now melting people

getting 3millys fom sigils lol

[hidden moth]

works 95% of the time... skill issue

[hidden moth]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2119874-ghosts-of-karesh-development-notes/ scroll to the pvp section

[hidden moth]

sigil of spite go brrrt

[spring bough]

onto the BM now and crushing still lol

[viral raft]

wdym by typing skill issue?

[stoic spruce]

I love when nelves think they're all that and a bag of chips

[hidden moth]

this

[spring bough]

kul tiran S tier

[stoic spruce]

And I bf them out of stealth from their meld/stealth macro

[spring bough]

lol

[hidden moth]

racial s tier... i would rather look like a gnome

[stoic spruce]

Nice reset dipshit

[hidden moth]

cant fit into half the fucking doorways in the game as a kul tir

[stoic spruce]

Mechagnome tho

Wtf is a good mechagnome mog?????

[hidden moth]

uninstalling bc ur playing mecha gnome

XD

they already small so hard to show off a mog on em, now take away 2/4ths their body that shows armor XD

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Save the most gold

It's really efficient

[keen canopy]

mechagnome heritage set
that's it

[hidden moth]

just play dragon, they dont even get a tier set to show off XD

[stoic spruce]

I'd rather claw my eyes out tyvm

Than play as a filthy degen scalie

[spring bough]

why do these crafters want thousands of gold for the acuity in recrafts

[hidden moth]

uh

bc its limited

very

[spring bough]

then others take 100g tips without it lol

[hidden moth]

depends

bc others that dont care dont pay attention or its an alt

the others are looking for good cash grabs and prob spend more time doing that shit

i love ninja caping lh 2 timesa in a bgb and not a fuckijng soul rotates to it

[jaunty osprey]

reflex looking cracked

[hidden moth]

how are sv hunters so mobile shits so annoyingh

having to play 2x vanish to stay on him

what is this first team fight dam ( i went lh to try to steal)

[dark kernel]

this is very insane

[hidden moth]

fat

[hidden moth]

wtf is this

[grave basin]

Wingclipt is long time trueshot lounge member lol

[spring bough]

hunter party

[hidden moth]

breh

why tf did our ret go mines with me

im stealthed zooming just gotta 1v1 the bm hunter

then he rushes in and the sv and mm hunter 180 and then they leave 2 at mines

like just go ww like we told u

[hidden moth]

":its okay was a nice try" as we lose 1500-1000

like

no not a nt

a nt is like 1500-1499

[stoic spruce]

Nothing pisses me off more than "its just a game"

[hidden moth]

bro we had our fire mage sub steal lh

i died at ww at start

i get there and get cc they recap bc mage sub die

ww is still nutral

noone rotated from ww to lh

we lose lh and they ghost neutral ww to go lh

and they just take ww

[hidden moth]

26 vers 65 mast and 4 items to upgrade from warmonger

do i craft belt boots cloak gloves for even 50/50 mast vers or do i snag pvp gear for the high vers lower mast hmmm

[spring bough]

It’s just a game

Go next

[stoic spruce]

Nice bait

[spring bough]

bad pvp night?

[stoic spruce]

Nah it's my work week. I was just giving my take as a response to schtabby

My last pvp night

That was rough

[hidden moth]

are we getting a legendary in s3

or like

no legos till midnight or sum

[spring bough]

i just had a ret throw a blitz

gd holy paladin did more damage than this ret

[hidden moth]

sub is so annoying

dying 100-0 in a opener

[stoic spruce]

Fr

[hidden moth]

if no trinket ur just dead

[stoic spruce]

There's a reason sub rogue rarely complains

[hidden moth]

cant pop a defensive

[hidden moth]

tell that to nahj

[stoic spruce]

Nahj is a baby back bitch

[hidden moth]

if sub isnt the only viable rogue pvp spec the man tweaks out like a homeless guy who hasnt had heroine in 3 days

[stoic spruce]

Sub only one-shot in 6 seconds and not the usual 4 seconds! This spec is SOOOO BAD

[hidden moth]

i just hate being in a node mapo

killing the defending hunter

and rogue is there out of noweher

blinds me

[stoic spruce]

I GOT OUTPLAYED AS RMP SUB ROGUE DEAD

[hidden moth]

then kills me 100-0 before i can even press feint (bc cheap shot go brrrt)

[stoic spruce]

It's so dumb

[hidden moth]

i fucking wish i could cheap 3x in a opener as ass

[stoic spruce]

For real

And they wanna complain about shadowy duel being gone

PvP is Sub rogues world and we're all just living in it.

[hidden moth]

since assa is all about subterfuge and opening out of stealth n shit and vanish is a dps cd more so than the other 2 specs

we should get cdr on vanish

[stoic spruce]

Debatable

You have decent sustain

Not amazing but it's there

[hidden moth]

outlaw has cdr

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[hidden moth]

sub has dance

assa the spec of

come from shadow and assassinate the bitch

has the least access to the ability of

coming out of the shadows lol

[stoic spruce]

I wish I could spam cheapshot without fucking up my cdr

My chest hurts now thanks

[hidden moth]

or

we just make subterfuge window 8 -10 seconds instead of 6

[stoic spruce]

God I'm so sick of subterfuge

[hidden moth]

why lolk

[stoic spruce]

For outlaw

Assa plays with subt great imo

[hidden moth]

isnt subt needed for ur between eye spam spam spam

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[keen canopy]

well are you sick of subterfuge or upperhanded underhand

or is it underhanded upperhand?

idk

[stoic spruce]

Depending on my mood, both

Mostly uhuh

[hidden moth]

uper handed downer handed syndrome

[stoic spruce]

But

Subt itself is annoying

Because

I changed my mind. I don't wanna get into it.

But both

[keen canopy]

yeah but i dont like using the acronyms like "uhuh" because a new rogue player sees that (not that any people pick up rogue these days) and then they're like "what the hell is an uhuh"

[stoic spruce]

Dmg windows on a cdr spec don't appeal to me

[keen canopy]

yeah that makes sense

[stoic spruce]

Let me rephrase before someone hits me with the "but outlaw always had damage windows"

Because they can't understand generalizations

Only doing dmg in dmg windows on a cdr spec doesn't appeal to me

Also with the vanish thing

Idc about vanish

But to say it was always vital to outlaw/combat is just wrong

[keen canopy]

idk havent we said it all before

[stoic spruce]

The vanish into ambush was such a min/max thing that didn't amount to a whole lot

[keen canopy]

in conclusion turn outlaw into The Man in Black from The Princess Bride

or Westley if you prefer that name

[stoic spruce]

Idek what I want from outlaw anymore tbh

It feels so weird on the ptr

[keen canopy]

the ability to open up arena matches with "You seem a decent fellow, i hate to die"

[stoic spruce]

Gonna macro that to my dispatch so I can get reported for spam when I inevitably drop adr

Because fmage/priest/caster is impossible to touch

The 15 frost novas into 8 blinks into a life grip is enough for a man to take his own life ngl

[hidden moth]

getting 4 caped in deepwind

is

FUCK THIS MAP BRO

4/5 GAMES HJAVE BEEN THIS SHIT PLACE

[keen canopy]

oh yeah i thought about making a void elf arcane mage
and surely at that point i have so many teleports that i just never die to any melee right

[hidden moth]

heal + war mid and the enemy team getting mid on cd

[keen canopy]

not that you really ever die to a melee as arcane anyway right

maybe DH

[hidden moth]

i fucking hate deepwind

every game it seems mid throws

[keen canopy]

i also hate deepwind gorge

but that's hardly a hot take right

[stoic spruce]

The minecart one?

That's my fav

100% winrate on my dk

[keen canopy]

is that the minecart one?

no surely not

[stoic spruce]

My rogue tho.....

[hidden moth]

no

its the fuckinmg

PANDA ARATHI BASIN

[keen canopy]

deepwind gorge is the other mop one
not kotmogu
not the mine

[stoic spruce]

OH YESH

[keen canopy]

yeah good description

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that one is mid on a good day

[keen canopy]

man what's the name of that removed battleground you know the one

cant believe i cant remember the name right now

[stoic spruce]

Silvershard Mines btw

[keen canopy]

like you know the battleground that was always on your blacklist

what was that one called i cant remember it

idk my hot take is
it wasnt even THAT bad ok guys

[stoic spruce]

My hot bg take is kotmogu sucks balls

[keen canopy]

dude is that a hot take

i fucking hate kotmogu

[stoic spruce]

People love it

Idk why

[hidden moth]

w-l ratio per map this season bgb
3-0 arathi basin
4-0 deephaul ravine
1-5 deepwind gorge
2-0 eye of the storm
2-5 silvershard (team cant win lava and i fucking hate my life)
1-1 temple of kotmogu
2-5 gilneas (team cant rotate even when i do my part and ninja cap enemy base and stall until it caps to our ownership
6-2 twin peaks
1-3 warsong

[stoic spruce]

The winning strat to kotmogu is to not play it properly

Like

[keen canopy]

im not gonna lie a lot of it just comes from that Hotmogu is the worst pvp brawl ever is that also a hot take

[stoic spruce]

Wtf is that

The 150% haste buff is fire though you can't lie

[hidden moth]

strand of the ancients?

[keen canopy]

yeah that's what i thought it was called but i wasnt certain enough to type it

but yeah that

[stoic spruce]

This pisses me off btw

[keen canopy]

wasnt even THATTTT bad

[hidden moth]

kot mogu isnt that bad if ur a ranged character

[keen canopy]

i'd rather play strand of the ancients than kotmogu on some days im just saying

[hidden moth]

boomie aff lock mm its dope

[stoic spruce]

Because it's so open

MM wet dream

[hidden moth]

the second ur a mele and trying to orb carry i want to kill myself

Actually makes me want to find out how many sucks it takes to get to the center of a spas 12

https://tenor.com/view/tootsie-pop-let's-find-out-mr-owl-gif-14446916230610001271

[keen canopy]

yeah if i'm playing mage or hunter or warlock sure maybe i like kotmogu

actually im really big fan of shaman on Kotmogu that's the one time i would actually want to play that map

but even then for mage hunter warlock
I'd still rather be playing something else

[hidden moth]

boomie is insane

[keen canopy]

can't play balance druid
i mean i just fall asleep playing that spec

[grave basin]

Tfw you can't monk port with orbs anymore

[stoic spruce]

Kotmogu is too open, the winning strat requires you to not play it correctly, and everyone has their own strat to win so mo one is ever on the same page.

[stoic spruce]

Good

Fuck monks

[grave basin]

Ree...

[hidden moth]

arathi basin im goated deephaul im goated twin peaks im ballin out 1 of those wsg loses was a tie but ye

[keen canopy]

i hate all monks
except for people who run Shado-Pan

[stoic spruce]

All of them

[hidden moth]

good

[stoic spruce]

No exception

[hidden moth]

so glad u cant port with flag either

[stoic spruce]

Oh god fw

What an abomination of a healer

[hidden moth]

fw is the best in m+

looking at the new tier

for s3

[keen canopy]

yeah you say that but i'd rather watch those bastards port with flag than have a preservation evoker on the other team

[stoic spruce]

Fw way of healing is being a secret third dps

[hidden moth]

"mist weaver in keys is going to have a higher apm than outlaw rogue"

[grave basin]

I'm leveling a fw with time walking

[hidden moth]

im mixed

[grave basin]

Heh

[hidden moth]

fuck pres but like

[stoic spruce]

Pres easiest healer to kill no cap

100%

[keen canopy]

i mean if i could remove a spec from the game
then prot paladin would be REALLY funny if I chose that spec

but other than that I would remove preservation evoker

[hidden moth]

its so satisfying to shove my cock so far up that dragons ass they fall over and dont know what happened to them

[stoic spruce]

I'd remove sub rogue

[keen canopy]

understandable

[grave basin]

Do fwers use rushing wind kick

Asking for a friend

[hidden moth]

id remove prot pal out of principle

[stoic spruce]

My pvp hot take is I'd rather fight a tank than sub rogue

[hidden moth]

fuck prot pal being a shuffle healer

[hidden moth]

not in m+

[grave basin]

Bro in arena

[hidden moth]

prob in raid

[stoic spruce]

I prefer prot pal lobbies of sub rogue lobbies

[grave basin]

Who cares about pve

[stoic spruce]

I did back when I shuffled

[hidden moth]

60% of pvp is just doing ur pve rotation

[keen canopy]

nah but like prot pal lobbies these days idk if you've played but
they aint the same you know

[stoic spruce]

Yo mama

[grave basin]

I have one monk with agi gear for ww /brm

Leveling 2nd for fw

It's pretty bloated ngl

[stoic spruce]

Every now and then I'd get a prot that used his buttons on teammates

[hidden moth]

it was worse

in df

[grave basin]

Why are there 3 mist names buttons

[stoic spruce]

Bootyhole mist

[grave basin]

Renewing mists soothing mist enveloping mist

[hidden moth]

s3 df mw had 6 more buttons

[grave basin]

Like hello

[hidden moth]

gust of mist is ur mastery

[grave basin]

And it's all these piss small buttons that act as modifiers

[keen canopy]

ok ok but what spec do you WANT to fight in pvp

[stoic spruce]

When the mist weaver has mists :O

[hidden moth]

bm hunter

all day

everyday

bm

[stoic spruce]

On my rogue, any dk

[grave basin]

What does it do again

[stoic spruce]

On my dk, assa or any warrior.

[hidden moth]

extra healing when u heal someone with x spell

[grave basin]

Just pad

I can't wait

To wind kick

Someone's head off in 2s

[stoic spruce]

I'm blacklisting MW actually

[grave basin]

It's quite amazing they've evolved the spec this much

From just a stand back 40yards afk healer

[hidden moth]

alsso chi ji kicks up 3 gust of mist when u spin crane rising sun or black out kick

[stoic spruce]

Sub rogue sucks to play against but mw is literally every fucking arena

[hidden moth]

though i miss jade lightning not being apart of the rotation

[keen canopy]

hey whats with wrong fighting sub rogue
i mean i can think of a lot of things
but i want to hear it from you