and loh
#pvp
grave basin
grave basin
no more duel to make that fun
halcyon timber
Dks are methed out gas station hot dogs
grave basin
gripISaraidbuff
gleaming sentinel
i cant find a 3rd for 3s, not shot i can find a 5s team
stoic spruce
They need a first buff to have a second
They have that auto attack thing ig
That's rough
Poor dk
stoic spruce
Maybe they'll fix unholys theme
halcyon timber
Ams 15% dr is a solid change for them no?
halcyon timber
Er amz?
stoic spruce
Ams 15% dr is a solid change for them no?
It's a pretty good sized nerf actually
halcyon timber
Was capped before at a set threshold before yeah?
stoic spruce
I don't remember the logistics of it
gleaming sentinel
2 healer 3 dps per team
yea exactly rofl
halcyon timber
No idea as im only a rogue
stoic spruce
Was capped before at a set threshold before yeah?
20% during nathria tier
And then it was based on your health and scaled with your vers
Or something weird like that
halcyon timber
Different times for drs and accommodating hero trees defense and such
stoic spruce
All I know is
It's completely useless in pvp because its out of sync with cooldowns
Not completely useless but 4 min cooldown is awkward in pvp
Semi useless
halcyon timber
No additional nodes to reduce it?
stoic spruce
Negative
halcyon timber
Or base cd is 4min?
stoic spruce
Both
spring bough
It’s solo q anyway dw
5s solo Que would get me banned day one 😂
halcyon timber
Hm well, surely there are other defense options as it is spread out with all of that in mind.
spring bough
Honestly wouldn’t be mad if they added a 2s solo shuffle with 3 rounds or something as long as Que time was like less than 5 min
stoic spruce
I wouldn't get my hopes up.
spring bough
Feels like pvp moving to a solo Q meta
stoic spruce
They're cooking up frost dk and nuking unholy. There's no telling could happen
spring bough
First shuffle, then blitz. Something else gotta be next
stoic spruce
It's usually the other way around
halcyon timber
Feels like pvp moving to a solo Q meta
Options are good. Mah prestige be damned.
gusty hedge
Feels like pvp moving to a solo Q meta
if they had solo que 5's or even 2's id play
(SS still gives me anxiety)
strange stag
Why some ppl play flag and gloomsblade and others dont ? Whats the point ?
Whats diffirence
potent pivot
Whats diffirence
personal preference
flag is insanely powerful, but it can feel a bit odd to use in pvp because you have to ramp up the stacks
gloomblade is pretty good, especially for 1 hitting totems n shit
dark kernel
I think flag is objectively better rn
I realize a lot of sub rogues split blades and flag into 2 gos and it makes it really hard to survive
Outlaw is kind of ass into sub unless you feint every go
timber flax
so i recently got into rbgs and got an issue. in arenas i use gladius to track my dr's. but in rbgs i tried gettin diminish so i could track on nameplates since gladius wouldnt be helpin me there. alas, it is not working at all. anyone else use plater+diminish that might know why?
potent pivot
Plater might be causing the issue but idk, diminish overall is kinda ass
timber flax
Plater might be causing the issue but idk, diminish overall is kinda ass
i think the combo was being finicky but i think i just fixed it. wont know till i get into a test skirm later when its not 9am on a wednesday, but true. diminish got hella errors but at least its showing on the frames i tested on now
potent pivot
Can i still perform well in 2s/shuffle/3s without flag ?
Sure but I would still recommend learning how to use it
You can do fine enough without it but it’s extremely powerful for 1 talent point
dark kernel
You don't need it, it's just helpful and even when used poorly it's free damage
I'm 99.9% sure the mastery you get from flagellation is also not affected by stat DRs so it's 35% finisher damage flat out when maxed
quaint meteor
Pve andy here
How long would it take to get the purple pvp set if i spam bgs?
glass hazel
Longer than shuffle, probably 10-15 wins
quaint meteor
I got the helmet and the rest is full honor gear
Better using that even if its low 600s?
agile kite
we should play evokers and buy esoteric dragon plushes off etsy
and give eachother dragon names
fuck rogue
u guys in?
potent pivot
Pve andy here
How long would it take to get the purple pvp set if i spam bgs?
join a war supply crate farm raid in custom lfg and fly around looting the wpvp crates
agile kite
<:RHmm:876980657283297360>
ur dragon name is Bedie
not that good honestly kinda sucks
sorry notrickz
spring bough
we should play evokers and buy esoteric dragon plushes off etsy
What’s an evoker
agile kite
What’s an evoker
you got ONARTH, really cool
jolly sierra
wtf
jolly sierra
ok name but the monicker makes u seem like a pussy
i still dont get the topic lol
and the names reminds me the random gens which made new names for wow chars
gusty hedge
agile kite
<:kekdog:907207037757296710>
the generator saved the best for last, ZODOSS
gusty hedge
gusty hedge
the generator saved the best for last, ZODOSS
agile kite
<a:dracthyr_hehe_animated:1019989476052836424>
holy shit i am HONORED, Zodoss the adorable...I KNEEL.
quaint meteor
join a war supply crate farm raid in custom lfg and fly around looting the wpvp ...
How many conquest per crate
potent pivot
How many conquest per crate
uhh like 60 per iirc
but you can loot like
4-6 every ~18min
quaint meteor
Ok 1 per zone i presume
potent pivot
yeah
if you join a raid group thats doing it
they should be keeping 1 mage at all times if possible, to port back to Dorn after every crate
and you just set hearth at the inn in northwestern Hallowfall, so you can get there quick enough
quaint meteor
Thanks for the info
pale storm
😭😭😭
gleaming sentinel
I’m clinging to “new shuffle rewards” and “gladiator revamp” idc
hidden moth
or dh vengheful retreat with glimpse
u can still cheap it off
doesnt say it puts the cc it ate on dr
it eats 1 cheap and then bam cheap 4 sec into w/e tf into 2 sec 1 sec gg
what did u tell us, outside the fucking HYPE THAT IS THIS POST and the total bait that we were hit with
hidden moth
They need a first buff to have a second
1st buff is grip
potent pivot
what did u tell us, outside the fucking HYPE THAT IS THIS POST and the total bai...
the seasonal rewards changes were coming, screw you 
put faith into someone not reposting unconfirmed shit 
pastel burrow
yeah cause this is what the game needs
more incentive and reason to bully the guys trying pvp for the first time
potent pivot
thats gonna happen regardless unless they completely change how rating works
jaunty osprey
GAME DEDGE
gleaming sentinel
I can’t wait for 2s to matter again. 
dark kernel
the seasonal rewards changes were coming, screw you <:mad:1275456001386217502>
There's nothing coming
One day, 8 years from now or so. PvP elite sets will just be ones we had previous on an endless cycle
All mounts will cycle back through with slightly different tints
spring bough
Is it bad my office stocked the kitchen with snacks today and I gradually took like 3/4 of the snacks for my five day weekend 😂
Bout to be a pvp fest type weekend
gleaming sentinel
Quite the outlaw
spring bough
first blitz que of the night and its an instant pop
spring bough
this is how you effect the outcome of blitz as a rogue. especially outlaw on temple. got me a SWEET 420 points on the dot
stoic spruce
1st buff is grip
Saying grip is a buff is like saying Ring of Peace is a raid buff
"Raid buff" has implications
Displacement effects are not raid buffs
When they don't effect my character
cyan shore
this is how you effect the outcome of blitz as a rogue. especially outlaw on tem...
Starting my outlaw pvp journey tonight. Hopefully it goes as well as yours has lol
pale storm
put faith into someone not reposting unconfirmed shit <:madgeBusiness:9538821793...
My bad, I was just so excited and bajheera got me 😦
potent pivot
It’s all good lol
I wouldn’t have expected him to share something fake without even saying “idk if real” etc
spring bough
Starting my outlaw pvp journey tonight. Hopefully it goes as well as yours has l...
GL its fun asf. been doing KIR and HO back n forth with fatebound mostly for blitz
just tested out the build for s3 in a blitz and it ripped lol. KIR with cold blood and inevitable end
cyan shore
I’m excited to get started. Mostly going for the elite set. Did Druid , hunter and mage already. Rogue is the last one. Heard bad things about outlaw but it’s my favorite spec. And seeing how well you’ve done gave me some confidence lol
spring bough
itll go quick for yah
stoic spruce
I wouldn’t have expected him to share something fake without even saying “idk if...
I was right
Nah nah nah nah boo boo
dark kernel
just tested out the build for s3 in a blitz and it ripped lol. KIR with cold blo...
I need details on tier for next season. I'm going to test some PBE
spring bough
I need details on tier for next season. I'm going to test some PBE
looks like fatebound kir or ho gonna be it cause the tier just ridic for fatebound
spring bough
what is it that procs the 30 seconds off AR CD?
Having a lucky Fatebound Coin reduces the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush by 30.0 sec and Ghostly Strike by 15.0 sec.
dark kernel
How often does that proc? Is that the DAMAGE coin
spring bough
what is it that procs the 30 seconds off AR CD?
2pc flips another coin too thru Edge Case and extended ghostly its just all OP lookin lol
dark kernel
I've seen that sometimes proc 3 times in 10 seconds
spring bough
and the CB talent makes guaranteed flips too
dark kernel
Is that listed in the tool tip or is it just a feature
I mean I need to look more into place
spring bough
me n this mage just 72% to 0 this druid in 2.0 seconds
potent pivot
having to run CB might be kinda ass
spring bough
having to run CB might be kinda ass
i just did a blitz and a solo with CB and no KS as fatebound KIR and it felt okay lol
with tier its going to be insane
just have CB and ghostly macro'd to everything dont even have to think about pressing it
stoic spruce
I regret having eyes today
spring bough
damange overall from my solo was weird compared to trickster lol
potent pivot
Compared to double coup
spring bough
fatebound tails was top overall over 6 rounds followed by pistol, dispatch then BTE
sinister after that and BF in 6th lol
spring bough
I regret having eyes today
i feel like an old school rogue again
potent pivot
I guess the CDR on adr will be even better in pvp than pve
stoic spruce
I'm gonna miss current tier
potent pivot
Since we get way less adr uptime on average
The set barely makes sense for PvE ngl
They already get like 90-95% uptime on adr
stoic spruce
I think it's for raid
Less uptime dependent so rp isn't as bad
Or intermission or whatever
But yeah the uptime is crazy
Not a fan
spring bough
had adrenaline only up for 40% of my overall from that lobby. feels bad man
spring bough
cant wait to have like 90% uptime on adr in pvp
maybe not that much but way more than 40% with all this CC lol
stoic spruce
If we get 90% in pvp I don't want to imagine what it'd be like on pve lol
spring bough
100% lol
stoic spruce
SL had the perfect adr uptime to me
spring bough
im wondering if that fatebound tier will surpass trickster in keys
spring bough
with all these coins this tiers gonna have fatebound flipping its gonne be nuts
spring bough
I hope not tbh, I love trickster
same buff trickster pls so i dont have to play fate XD
but if fates gonna be cooking i gotta play it lol
stoic spruce
Is FB even ahead in dungeons next season?
spring bough
idk havent dove into that yet
potent pivot
It’s so early that it doesn’t matter yet
potent pivot
Idk if there’s even sims yet
spring bough
ima just wait till day one and try both builds then see what that tier feel like after a couple weeks
stoic spruce
Regardless, I'd like to have FB the raid hero tree but viable in M+ and vice versa
gleaming sentinel
cold blood new killing spree, interesting
spring bough
they changing how we get tier at all? or is it gonna be cata and 1600 week 1 again
stoic spruce
They haven't announced changes yet
potent pivot
cold blood new killing spree, interesting
With the fatebound tier set u can’t
Fucking autocorrect god damn
stoic spruce
Coin proc would mess you up
spring bough
no KS for fatebound next season prob lol
gleaming sentinel
ah
potent pivot
Coin proc would mess you up
Not even about that
spring bough
its slow
potent pivot
With the fatebound tier set cold blood only works on dispatch
With the guaranteed coin flip talent on fatebound tree
spring bough
imagine if they change that to dispatch and KS lol
stoic spruce
Isn't that with the talent?
potent pivot
Yes
spring bough
make a tree tweak too
stoic spruce
So don't take the talent
potent pivot
Yeah pretty much
spring bough
dispatch/ks all they gotta add to it XD
potent pivot
That’s how u guarantee lucky coins
spring bough
we rocking CB for fate
stoic spruce
The implications
stoic spruce
Wtf lol
stoic spruce
This guy
stoic spruce
Maybe outlaw gets a stealthless build after all and the changes just aren't here yet >.>
potent pivot
But we like to cook
stoic spruce
Cooking is more fun than playing for rating
potent pivot
gleaming sentinel
I'm more of a doordash / microwave guy
potent pivot
I don’t think we drop SC idk
stoic spruce
Dead undead body
potent pivot
Probably vigor tbh
As shit as that sounds
Which is why I don’t even like the idea of fatebound with the current iteration of things
gleaming sentinel
i do supercharger
spring bough
Yall play vigor?
supercharger all season
potent pivot
I may be dumb
Nah me dumb
spring bough
I don’t think we drop SC idk
we would have to drop combo points or vanish then
stoic spruce
I sea
stoic spruce
I still am dumb because I don't play imp ambush with ho and it's been working out super great
potent pivot
CB/lethality are ass in comparison you’d only be grabbing them for the forced interaction
stoic spruce
What are you CBing
gleaming sentinel
would cold blood work for the full channel of killing spree?
spring bough
im imagining tier is gonna make this OP
i have CB macro's to dispatch and BTE cause it just auto uses on dispatch
potent pivot
With SC rtb is basically a builder
stoic spruce
Only dispatch I keep forgetting
halcyon timber
Depends how the hits are registered on KS. It was multiple individual hits that were registered. Only way to know know is to test new KS with CB
potent pivot
would cold blood work for the full channel of killing spree?
Probably, but fatebound bricks that interaction even without the inevitable end talent
spring bough
-15 seconds on AR and -7.5 on ghostly, with ghostly buffed 25% and flipping a coin, thats with pvp dock i think its gonna be wicked
potent pivot
Coin procs consume CB
stoic spruce
Gotta be trickster to even try it
potent pivot
On live you can CB your KS, if you’re trickster basically
gleaming sentinel
trickster coldblood gaming
potent pivot
But would have to test the new KS to be certain
stoic spruce
That'd be a cool interaction
spring bough
im gonna play this on live RN
stoic spruce
Stealthless outlaw would have so much build potential
spring bough
almost forgot to swap back to imp ambush for this next game lol
spring bough
man why TF xylvana have 3 rogues in title territory in blitz
im making it my mission to get in that rating range
gleaming sentinel
30min q atm
spring bough
yeah its brutal
gleaming sentinel
maybe we'll fight >:)
spring bough
3-0 so far on the week XD
gleaming sentinel
Outlaw running DFA next season B)
now we're talkin
spring bough
Outlaw running DFA next season B)
give outlaw a sprreadable DOT for next season
bring back hemo 2025
gleaming sentinel
I use dfa a bit against mages atm
spring bough
My 3rd slot is open
just use DFA over smoke bomb
gleaming sentinel
yea if there's nothing to disarm, dfa is good imo
stoic spruce
At least with Smoke, me and my ret can go to pound town
Also
Lowkey
Smoke useless sometimes
gleaming sentinel
idk, i never not use it
stoic spruce
Feels like every healer has some sort of heal that doesn't need line of sight for it to go off
gleaming sentinel
pop it on a priest lategame when they angel
stoic spruce
idk, i never not use it
Yeah same, I'm just saying.
It's also a skill issue on my part
But I have a hard time not funneling as outlaw
Tunnel vision is real
gleaming sentinel
its a lot to manage
spring bough
Smoke useless sometimes
lowkey i just drop it whenever idec if we cant kill LOL
stoic spruce
I'm washed af
spring bough
smoke get peoples popping CDs and running
stoic spruce
lowkey i just drop it whenever idec if we cant kill LOL
Fr, I just drop it to get cds and generate pressure
gleaming sentinel
i really hope new killing spree is threatening
spring bough
feel like people just gonna run away lol
or thru us
then lose time on it hooking to them
or just get hella CCd when u pop it per usual
gleaming sentinel
yea i mean cant just send it like current spree
stoic spruce
Did the animation change at all with the update
potent pivot
i don't think so
stoic spruce
Dang
potent pivot
which update do u mean
stoic spruce
The MG procs really screw with it
gleaming sentinel
whos making an RP macro when u cast it "DIE DIE DIE"
stoic spruce
Extension update
potent pivot
yeah i don't think so
i hope they fix that
its weird
should just be straight up gun animations
stoic spruce
Would we really lose anything if it didn't proc main gauche?
It doesn't hit that hard
potent pivot
it should be able to just overwrite the animation
without fucking with the damage at all
stoic spruce
True
potent pivot
there's plenty of abilities that do that
spring bough
im getting 1.2mil pistols
with this cold blood HO fatebound build
im liking KIR fate with CB over HO with it tbh lol
if only i could find a way to take GSW with KIR
drop UUH? lol
hidden moth
Saying grip is a buff is like saying Ring of Peace is a raid buff
sorry not raid buff buttheir own "raid utility" basically the same thing, a unique thing only that class brings the raid
hidden moth
the seasonal rewards changes were coming, screw you <:mad:1275456001386217502>
i pray brother u are right
hidden moth
raid buff in the since the util they already had will actually be useful
ffs just add a fucking raid mod to abom limb so it wont grip inside raids and leave it tf alone
dks going to be so fucking bad in pvp
spring bough
idk how but me and this BM just kidneyed the enemy healer for 5 sec, he then trapped him for 5 and then i got a blind for 5 lol
insane chain MM went down hard lol
stoic spruce
sorry not raid buff buttheir own "raid utility" basically the same thing, a uniq...
The problem is displacement effects aren't unique and that's what grip is. Anytime DK isn't meta, the grip is replaced with a different effect and you get the same result.
You see it all the time tbh
Usually with RoP and Vortex since healers have access to it and you're obv not gonna play without a healer
Dh have one too
Sigil I think?
Idr but there's quite a few.
Personally idc if it gets one or not
I'm not gonna not play dk because of it. That's ridiculous.
stoic spruce
You gotta believe hard enough
potent pivot
does serving the queen pvp quest ever pop up
I think you have to go into the zone to see it iirc?
That’s the one in the spider zone right
stoic spruce
Yeah
potent pivot
Yeah and you have to pick your thing
You have to talk to the npc to pick your faction
Like every week I think
hidden moth
Sigil I think?
sigil just helps pixil stack shit thats atop each other
vortex isnt going to group
it will keep them stacked but again gotta have them close
rop just fucking boops them over 2 feet
looking at fights like fyrakk with the adds and dks griping them out the path of the guyhs
hidden moth
some DKs weren't even taking abom limb last season bro
wym i see it all the time in my lobbies
hidden moth
Sigil I think?
also thats tank dh only
stoic spruce
It gripped once and always grips when you don't need it to
stoic spruce
If it grips when you don't need it to, sure.
hidden moth
- good for stacking mobs that move out of stack offten in keys like priorys shooters
either way ur still getting value
from it gripping even one time
but it does more than that
stoic spruce
You're giving too much value to current abom limb tbh. On paper it's great but when you need it to grip a person, that grip has already been spent because it was used while they were still in dnd
See what I mean
It's very hit or miss
hidden moth
bg blitz mine carts
nuff said
bg blitz keeping fcs pinned down esp evokers
nuff said
M+ nuff said
stoic spruce
You should say more
stoic spruce
1 grip in pvp
Free to leave after
Though it does have more value in bgs
Gorfiends is so much better
stoic spruce
also thats tank dh only
Another point of mine. You're not going to play without a tank.
hidden moth
Gorfiends is so much better
blood dk only
stoic spruce
Fr
stoic spruce
who tf made that change
I remember that pvp with the blues
Someone pissed off a dev in df
In a bg
People started dropping it at the tail end of DF and lost a lot of favor going into tww
Only reason I still run it is because it baits CDs
People still think it's all that and a bag of chips and I'm sitting there thinking "is that it?" Lol
I think people have ptsd from dk because when it's good, it's very good.
spring bough
feels good when u playing lights out and you get that whisper "your playing well" makes u just smash harder lol
potent pivot
wym i see it all the time in my lobbies
i mean the actual good DKs
look at unholy talents on murlok
potent pivot
i liked abom personally
but i don't think its going to hurt DK that much losing it
i just loved the animation
stoic spruce
You ever play dk?
potent pivot
yes, a lot
spring bough
I get compliments on my dk though
have u played more DK this season than rogue
stoic spruce
Yeah
spring bough
I ain't missing it
abom limb the last 2 seasons of shadowlands. love hitting it off the match and winning sub 10 seconds
stoic spruce
SL was totally different
stoic spruce
SL, abom was my baby
spring bough
legos again
spring bough
sending that bussy
stoic spruce
They'd make them easier to get
spring bough
werent they already real ez to get? lol
spring bough
go and make a quick sandwich annnnd both ques gone
stoic spruce
Lol
You know the tech
Gotta act like you don't care
Leave your seat to bait the queue
stiff cedar
isn't there a clip of xar purposefully doing this and then running back in from off frame going it worked!!
stoic spruce
Xalatath's Feet Moisturizer
You can't read?
Loser
Get a load of this guy
Get outta here bluey
This is yellow territory
I'm sorry
Idk where that came from
spring bough
This is yellow territory
bro ur name was red like last week
stoic spruce
I have a good reason
spring bough
betrayed
stoic spruce
No
I played assa in pve for 2 weeks
I couldn't get daggers
So I swapped back to outlaw
spring bough
damn so u quit
stoic spruce
And was too lazy to swap back
More like
Wanted a change of scenery
I wanted it but didn't get it
spring bough
where is gilneas on the eastern kingdom
spring bough
I need a map to show you
i found it. starting zone map is weird lol
tight hill
Is this a bug? Or what a ability moved me back after stepping?
dark kernel
We need more women rogue players
stoic spruce
Women don't play wow
spring bough
Is it a level the worgen rogue day or some PvP or both
spring bough
We need more women rogue players
Yeah……. Nahhhhh
glacial steppe
What rogue spec is best in solo bg?
stoic spruce
Assa
hidden moth
i mean the actual good DKs
But dadddd that’s worrrrkkkk
tight hill
assa slightly more versatile and can help in teamfights
Sub way stronger 1v1 so usally better at objectives but assa still slaps
stoic spruce
What he said
They're both really good at 1v1 let's be real
Sure one is better than the other
severe helm
Yeah there's only like two maps where team fight matters though
stoic spruce
And you'll be glad you have that versatility
gleaming sentinel
Assa prob only better at deephaul
tight hill
maybe true (buff assa)
stoic spruce
Every season
dark kernel
I fucked around with sub just a bit yesterday, and it's ridiculous how much stronger it feels than last season right now
Actually crimibal
spring bough
I fucked around with sub just a bit yesterday, and it's ridiculous how much stro...
i cant play sub im absolute ass with it. i need sub to have a grapple hook and some CDR on evasion and feint lol
awful with running around waiting for a go cause i just wanna smash buttons all day
dark kernel
i cant play sub im absolute ass with it. i need sub to have a grapple hook and s...
Yeah that's the biggest issue is making use of downtime. I usually harass the healer or you're spamming shuriken to pump eviscerates for dance charges.
spring bough
ive got 0 patience to run around and wait for energy or CDs to line up
dark kernel
Yeah, but it's just wild to me that even sub does comparable consistent damage to outlaw right now
upbeat bear
What are the best melee classes for shuff now?
hidden moth
Women don't play wow
I’ve been tryin to get my girl on rogue but she mostly plays spriest
hidden moth
assa slightly more versatile and can help in teamfights
Sub way stronger 1v1 so ...
We say this but as assa I mop up sub rogues
hidden moth
Assa prob only better at deephaul
Temple
hidden moth
What are the best melee classes for shuff now?
What bracket?
U tryin to hit 1800 or push to legend
I will say 9/10 your going to be better off pushing high ratings with 1 class vs changing it up every time there is a new fotm
gleaming sentinel
Temple
Idk sub can pick up the flag and doesn’t need subterfuge. Can burst carriers too
gleaming sentinel
I got high stacks and dance can just smoke someone attacking you
hidden moth
True, on a carry stand point but I also think getting dots up on a good amount of people with orb and dipping is strong
But also part of that map is not only holding orbs but mid control and assa is just so much pressure on enemy healers in a team fight esp when they are trying to keep prio targets alive
hidden moth
What are the best melee classes for shuff now?
Top 10 melee in shuffle
Rogues all spec bg bligz
Sub doing a bit better than assa but assa is comparable with 3/10th the top being assa
gleaming sentinel
Part of it is those sub players are really really good and assa just isn’t as hard to get value out of since you can just aoe garrote and rupture
tight hill
eh sub rogues just shadow blades secret tech
spring bough
why does it take 8million years to get out of the worgen start zone
jolly sierra
owo
spring bough
So you can think about the dirty furry you are.
damn dont do me like that lmao
pretty much the only race for rogue i dont have right now is vulpera havent even unlocked them lol
dark kernel
I have a vulpera shaman and hunter for MoP remix
If racials weren't a thing I would exclusively play races that pissed people off
spring bough
we need another race thats as powerful as night elf for rogue
extra stealth speed and an extra vanish lol
when we gonna have races with designer racials and i can use the night elf ones on kul tiran
jolly sierra
or straight nerf NE
spring bough
add the human stats one too
jolly sierra
and leave shadowmeld like it was in vanilla
spring bough
designer racials actually a cool idea ngl lol
everyone would have meld and the human stats
halcyon timber
Then they would tune everyone’s stuff around that in mind and likely remove a lot of other things to balance it and people would get pissed again anyway.
They would probably be more open to a pvp trinket bonus to trade that out at the cost of something else. Similar to the pve solution they did with the potion scenario
fierce lily
ngl im not looking forward to the new killing spree in pvp shits gonna be garbo
quaint meteor
4 more pieces to get the full set appearance! 
verbal field
We love when dh goes zug zug and rushes instant away from healer
verbal field
add the human stats one too
I want meld on my human 
hidden moth
and leave shadowmeld like it was in vanilla
Useless and only good on hunters…
If they nerf nelf everyone would just reroll human or orc
And we would be back in the same spot we were in from wotlk-mop
Only other good options would be kultirin (i refuse to play as a lizzo look alike ) and void elf bc tp would have decent use for map traversal/ staying on target
spring bough
Only other good options would be kultirin (i refuse to play as a lizzo look alik...
woah how is kul tiran catching strays out here
jolly sierra
If they nerf nelf everyone would just reroll human or orc
it would be fairer tbh
both of them are already nerfed
and performing ok atm
remember orc was nerfed in shadowlands and human in wod or so
hidden moth
nelf doesnt get anything else really thoguh'
random ass haste or dodge depending on if ur a normal person or a degen
keen canopy
henceforth while inside of raids dungeons arena and battlegrounds, everybody is turned into a dwarf as the titans intended
dark kernel
Some people are playing gnome for rogue as Sub because snares are insane
You get some more freedom because just stealth doesn't do much for you as a sub rogue
keen canopy
pretty sure zandalari troll can be like every class in the game except DH and Evoker so let's just make everybody that
and the DH and Evokers
just kill em
jolly sierra
i swear i would do a very big party for u guys if nelves go nerf
because it would be a personal victory for me
spring bough
Some people are playing gnome for rogue as Sub because snares are insane
5 extra energy too
keen canopy
gnomes look so bad though i cant be seen playing one of those
spring bough
they look cool with thunderfury DW lol
dark kernel
Looking cool is out of style
Being the most grotesque fucking meatball small man class is in
tight hill
Still find it hilarious that the meta race for warrior is a tiny ass gnome
halcyon timber
Yeah got stuck with very little uptime last night vs ele and resto shaman and a demo warlock. Amazing that people still don’t kill totems or help healers out if cc like lasso
vocal surge
Looks like Trickster Outlaw in PvP is genuinely dead for S3
spring bough
We just gonna have to test it live with tier lol
It’s what a five week wait for four set right? Two week one atleast
vocal surge
Yeee
I just dont think Trickster's gonna be viable for PvP anymore after these changes
People will also complain about Fatebound mobility even harder
spring bough
Most people still play fate this season lol
vocal surge
Fatebound has been meta the entire expansion effectively
bleak garden
for pvp sub rogue. is prized gladiator gear (conquest gear) better that this
i upgraded the gear in dornogal and it gave me that but just realized the stats changed. so is versatality+mastery stats on gear better than the 5 piece bonus?
bleak garden
but math is math and 4 set is better
The 4 set? Or u mean the 5 set?
Its a 5 piece set bonus right?
This is for pvp. No plans on pve
keen canopy
Its a 5 piece set bonus right?
5 pieces can be worn that will count towards getting your set bonus
but there are only bonuses at 2 and 4 pieces
wearing all 5 pieces doesnt give anything extra
you get a bonus at equipping 2 pieces
and then another bonus at 4 pieces
nothing else if you decide to equip the 5th piece
nothing extra i mean, you still get the gear stats and everything
but like no extra set bonus
bleak garden
Oh ok
the (4/5) had me thinking it was only active at 5
keen canopy
no you can see how it highlights green when you are wearing 4 pieces
meaning it is active
if you were to have 3 pieces equipped you would see the 4 set bonus is gray but the 2 piece is still green
bleak garden
I see that now
keen canopy
the 4/5 is just how many pieces you have equipped
bleak garden
Was thinking I messed up my build completely
Been grinding conquest points non stop
Can't find a best in slot set up for pvp anywhere
keen canopy
Was thinking I messed up my build completely
nah and even if you did you could still just get another piece
and even then having one stat be haste instead of mastery is sort of whatever, i mean it's mostly skill based anyway gear is just a way to increase the impact that skill has on the game
keen canopy
Can't find a best in slot set up for pvp anywhere
i mean most people just check murlok
keen canopy
also gear item level doesn't matter in pvp only pvp item level does
so like if you upgrade this piece of gear for example with valor stones or whatever
it won't increase it's effectiveness in pvp
bleak garden
I had but was told different things
I see a lot of crafted gear
keen canopy
yeah people mostly use crafted gear to get different stats and also because you get 9 free of the crafted items things after winning your first game
like if the conquest vendor doesn't have for example boots that give vers+mast
people will craft boots with those stats
and also because you still want embellishments of course
bleak garden
That's what had me wondering
If the 2-4 set piece bonuses on the gear was worth losing all the stats of vers+mastery
keen canopy
well you for sure want the 2 set
4 set for sub some people use it some people dont
sort of a preference thing i think
i would say to use it
end of the day if you lose a game you'll probably be thinking "i should have done that play better" and not "i should have chosen the stats over the 4 set bonus"
bleak garden
True
Just been trying to min max the damage output
spring bough
They should do a throw back season bring back 8 sets and 3 bonuses
bleak garden
I have some crafted gear. I don't think I added embellishments on all unfortunately
keen canopy
well you can only have 2 embellishments
cant have one on every piece
most people usually just craft 2 rings and put the elemental focusing lens embellishment on both i know i do
bleak garden
Ok
Then im good
I added them to my rings
I did the same
Still learning the games system
Only been in wow 2 weeks
keen canopy
They should do a throw back season bring back 8 sets and 3 bonuses
idk might be cool but also imagine an 8 set makes a class super broken, but without it the class sucks
keen canopy
Still learning the games system
Only been in wow 2 weeks
new WoW player and you chose pvp?
definitely a road less traveled for sure
stoic spruce
Looks like Trickster Outlaw in PvP is genuinely dead for S3
We're not even at the tuning stage of the ptr. Specs are still seeing changes. Let's just wait and see
keen canopy
not to turn you against pvp it's my favorite thing but it's definitely the minority, most people barely ever touch pvp for many many reasons
spring bough
We're not even at the tuning stage of the ptr. Specs are still seeing changes. L...
How happy would you be if some build is viable without crackshot
keen canopy
reminded me of this
bleak garden
new WoW player and you chose pvp?
definitely a road less traveled for sure
I don't mind the pve
Just wanted to get a pvp character for some fun instead of getting wrecked when not in pve
spring bough
Hey -30 seconds on ADR don’t need uhh anymore @stoic spruce
bleak garden
Coming from another mmo so im not completely oblivious just don't know the full system of the game yet
keen canopy
I don't mind the pve
Just wanted to get a pvp character for some fun instead of ...
wdym "getting wrecked when not in pve"
stoic spruce
Hey -30 seconds on ADR don’t need uhh anymore <@530563212093947914>
My uptime on stealthless builds in pve is around 80%
So maybe you're right
But
bleak garden
Doing pvp in gear that im questing or a character i made for pve
bleak garden
Had to max out a pvp character to take a break from pve
spring bough
Bte spam is so much dmg
Crackshot window feels like my only burst cause bye bye Ks lol
bleak garden
And can't go in pvp with no gear and get 1 shot by everything
keen canopy
Doing pvp in gear that im questing or a character i made for pve
oh yeah i see that you play in Warmode or something
keen canopy
yeah i play like every character in warmode too
keen canopy
yeah you say that but also the southshore tauren mill brawl is GARBAGE
spring bough
Just have to LFG a group and go brawl in a certain zone for rewards
keen canopy
yeah but like surely melee would still be bad right
especially if there aren't even any objective other than kill people
a melee would step forward and get vaporized by 3 aimed shots from 3 different mm hunters
spring bough
Maybe make it capture the flag style. Big brawl and the stealthies gotta sneak the flag past
keen canopy
idk but then what do warriors do
spring bough
Touch grass somewhere and say zug lol
keen canopy
feral and rogues can sneak past yeah
paladins still have a lot of utility with bop and bubble
dk can grip
warriors
get vaporized by 3 aimed shots i guess
oh yeah dh is also a melee class uhhh idk they can defend they have spectral sight anyway
and surv hunter
nobody plays that so we dont have to worry about it
and monk is broken so they'll find a way
hidden moth
and surv hunter
survb is basically ranged considering aside auto attacks 90% of their rotation is ranged lol
hidden moth
oh yeah dh is also a melee class uhhh idk they can defend they have spectral sig...
dh is very beefy with self heals and short cd defensives and cc immunes+drs
keen canopy
@bleak garden anyway what i'm saying is most WoW players don't do pvp in this game at all, since most the people they fight are the veterans and they just dont stand a chance so they quit quickly since they dont stand a chance and they think it would take a long time for them to be good enough to stand a chance
in other words
We're so lonely, all the other WoW players are scared of us. No one talks to us. No one wants to be our friend- they think we are unstable. They send us from warmode ganker to warmode ganker committing atrocities in their name. And as we get better at it, they fear us more and more. We are a victim of our own success. PvPer. We don't even get a real name, only a purpose.
hidden moth
fuck it dont make death mark undispellable
stoic spruce
PvP players are special in a good way lol
No we're not
hidden moth
just make it do 100% on dup dots and not 50%
bleak garden
<@166667242975657984> anyway what i'm saying is most WoW players don't do pvp in...
I'm a pvp player in general
I just need to get up to par in the mechanics
hidden moth
win trad
didnt go shrine when told at start and lost us our FREE START NODE SO HE COULD GO MID
spring bough
Solo mains don't deserve it
We gonna get it big dawg
And they gonna be cooler than ur 3s mount
keen canopy
maybe if the pvp rewards were better it might convince the other WoW players to play it
spring bough
And then that will put the dagger in 3s gg
spring bough
maybe if the pvp rewards were better it might convince the other WoW players to ...
If it was hero track gear prob would
keen canopy
idk maybe something like the delve mounts
bleak garden
maybe if the pvp rewards were better it might convince the other WoW players to ...
I have noticed the ques were slow af tbh
spring bough
I have noticed the ques were slow af tbh
Yeah have fun sitting sometimes for anywhere from 8-50 minutes lol
bleak garden
At least world pvp is somewhat active everywhere i go
keen canopy
I have noticed the ques were slow af tbh
like more customizations for the mount the more you play/higher rating
with glad being the full transformation, dragonflight glad style
replied to the wrong message but whateva
keen canopy
yeah they say blizzard gave us 30 minute queue times to reflect on the mistakes we made last game
copium
hidden moth
i actually hate hunter players
bleak garden
i actually hate hunter players
Crazy, im actually going to gear one after s3
hidden moth
have the same iq of a kid with down syndrome cracked out his mind on adderall and zofran
dark kernel
Last night was the worst solo shuffle queued timing I ever have seen
The character I was on was only 2160 and the queue was 36 minutes before I had to just drop and go to bed
keen canopy
the hunter spec i hate to see the most is probably MM
but like playerbase wise
i'd sooner trust my life to a MM hunter player than a surv or BM hunter
stoic spruce
I feel the same way towards sub rogue
I had how outlaw shares a class with sub
Would rather fight tanks
stoic spruce
I've seen a few
hidden moth
think i might have seen one this whole season
Prot pala
Fucking prot pal
Actually makes me want to find out how many sucks it takes to get to the center of a spas 12
keen canopy
you're right i actually have seen a couple of prot paladins and they werent my idea of a good time
keen canopy
i think ive seen like 3 prot paladins
1 brewmaster
spring bough
Fucking prot pal
Something else that’ll never get changed lol
I haven’t seen 1 brewmaster or blood dk all season
hidden moth
I only see tanks in blitz but like
stoic spruce
Because there like 4 good bdks in the entirety of the game
hidden moth
Kinda useless bc damage taken increase bc they are… tanks
keen canopy
yeah i have a blood dk but i dont ever play arena with him
i dont even know what i would do
i think just stack damage buffs on death strike and then try to hit big with that i guess
and surely you never die since you're a blood dk
keen canopy
Because there like 4 good bdks in the entirety of the game
i mean for arena it's probably more like that there are 4 blood dks in general
let alone good ones
and as for the other tank specs that arent prot pally i guess
0 players
only tanks you'll see are in bgs
flag carriers who didnt want to play healer i guess
jolly sierra
XD
dark kernel
I think I need to quit this game
having 1-5 and 0-6 shuffles when it's the only game mode I can play is too tilting
stoic spruce
The duality of man
dark kernel
Im nearly 35
i can play 1 match a day
sometimes 1 every 2-3 days
and i get rusty and so I just sit between 2200 and 2100
jaunty osprey
dark kernel
no progress
jaunty osprey
same
im 30
this is all i played
all season
for shuffle
you're gonna have lobbies where you win
lobbies where you lose, hard
just go next
just dont play while tilted though if you care about rating
dark kernel
I understand where you're trying to come from but it's not the same
you are a rank 1 player, you are 2700 you are physically playing with the best of the best players
stoic spruce
Don't you have a family too
jaunty osprey
i hit rank 1 for the first time last season
dark kernel
I know that
i've seen your games
but what I am trying to dictate is you are knowingly playing with the best of the best
jaunty osprey
im just tryna say, u can do this
dark kernel
it's kind of a different story, there's no where to climb when you're at the peak
jaunty osprey
shuffle is shuffle, best of best doesnt matter
dark kernel
look at this round
I almost uninstalled
I ate the gnarliest CC chain and lost my entire adren rush
and ironically
thats the only round I won
stoic spruce
Tbf
Outlaw in shuffle is super rough
Even for the better outlaw players
But I get where you're coming from
dark kernel
it's whatever. Bitching wont help
It's just unless a lobby is super unbalanced I feel it's completely feasible to never go 1-5
jaunty osprey
playing as rogue that relies on our vanishes for Assa/Outlaw
we are so dependent on healers
dispeling us
and keeping us out of CC
it sucks
dark kernel
yeah
i probably just need to pack in thinking I can push elite this season and go for next season and just suck it up and play the most meta stuff
stoic spruce
What helped me was just not even thinking about rating
Which is quite a task sure
But the pressure isn't there
dark kernel
yeah I have moments where I can mental fortitude that and focus on the personal growth
but after real bad matches it's hard
stoic spruce
When I queue I don't even look at rating
Not until the end of the night when done playing
gleaming sentinel
i probably just need to pack in thinking I can push elite this season and go for...
I mean only a single outlaw in NA has hit 2400 in shuffle since the nerfs. And he’s got like 5000 rounds played
spring bough
look at this round
damn bruh what happpen
vocal surge
We're not even at the tuning stage of the ptr. Specs are still seeing changes. L...
Hopefully Trickster Outlaw gets something because right now, its heavily Fatebound sided
stoic spruce
In pvp and raid yeah
Which is whatever
I mean sure I'd like to play trickster but I'm not gonna be upset if it underperforms
We're probably playing fatebound anyway purely because of the 30 second CD reduction to adr
Lord knows it's rough rn
spring bough
We're probably playing fatebound anyway purely because of the 30 second CD reduc...
feel like fates tails dmg gonna be outta control with all the coin flips
stoic spruce
No doubt it'll be nerfed lop
Lol
I'm expecting changes
Because adr uptime in pve is perma
And if not, this'll be a one-off
I wager
long shore
Im nearly 35
Same bro. Hard stuck 2200 here but I'm happy.
grave basin
i can play 1 match a day
Same as me brother
I've got 2 kids and one more on the way
What helped me is to just play a simpler spec
NGL for some specs the juice is just not worth the squeeze and unless you're content with perma being 200cr below your potential it's best to just play something easier
Like I've been "maining" sv since dF S1 and I've been at the cusp, 23xx so many times and I knew at the back of my head that If I'd just play BM I'd be 2500 by now
This season I said screw it I'm gonna break 2400 and dropped everything for my WW and got it in a week , something I couldn't get for almost 5 seasons on sv
Ok ted talk over
wanton breach
if in doubt, play BM
stoic spruce
Now show the next one
tight hill
ok slightly better
both are crits though, not sure why the first one is so low. He gets pain sup straight after the hit so maybe its just like ui delay or something
idk i don't understand this game sometimes
potent pivot
darkest night empowred envenom btw
first one he probably has some sort of DR
potent pivot
ok slightly better
this one was also Shiv'd
tight hill
shiv is valid I need to line that up better
wanton breach
new infernion video about prot paladins is so entertaining to watch
grave basin
It's more entertaining to me that a 10x Awc competitor/full time streamer/100x r1 has no one at blizzard to directly talk to
And he has to resort to being grieved for ages and make a video about it
Meanwhile the pve crowd has literal dev interviews left and right and the class Devs watch all their pre expansion/ spec reviews
grave basin
Missing the 3m black arrow crit in the same global
spring bough
Im nearly 35
Damn bro we old asf. Bout to be 33 in a couple months 😭 from WOW vanilla beta as an undead rogue till now time flies
dark kernel
Damn bro we old asf. Bout to be 33 in a couple months 😭 from WOW vanilla beta a...
Yeap. I was day 1 on Zul Jin server undead rogue
spring bough
Black hand or black rock here can’t remember. Think I was on silver moon too
dark kernel
Anyway, last night blew. I think I just need to not play after bad work days and I need to shake rust off if it's been a few days.
If I sit hard stuck 2100ish this season I will lose my mind
Game is not hard
spring bough
Any Burning Blade OGs?
sounds fake
spring bough
im gonna become a gnome rogue today
spring bough
Burning Blade?
burning? blizz would NEVER name an xpack something like that
spring bough
running all over the map taking hours
good times
getting hook bugs in the open world as gnome... guess they too small to hook lol
spring bough
all you rogues that dont have thunderfury mog better be farming the hell outta it in july. 10x more chance itll drop the the month
potent pivot
all you rogues that dont have thunderfury mog better be farming the hell outta i...
I wish they were a bit more detailed with it
spring bough
it says 10 to 25x chance idk which applies to what
potent pivot
The way they made it sound is like some stuff will be 10x and some will be lower than 10x
Yeah it’s just odd not knowing
spring bough
ima farm the hell out of some mounts
potent pivot
I’m going to get the other warglaive for my DH at least
spring bough
i wish they added (warglaives are no longer DH only)
potent pivot
I just barely care about mounts tbh
potent pivot
i wish they added (warglaives are no longer DH only)
Yep
spring bough
cause id die and go to heaven if they ever reverted that
i would use warglaive mog 24/7 365 all day every day
potent pivot
Every rogue and warrior on earth would be rocking em tho let’s be real
It’d get so washed out
gleaming sentinel
You can say they’d be… prepared
spring bough
well it was original ours and wars lol
potent pivot
Ik
spring bough
who tf DH think they are
potent pivot
Just saying that it’d sorta lose its flare after a little while
Would still be sick
gleaming sentinel
Invincible not gonna be as cool
potent pivot
Idk
I wish the way we held weapons was more realistic too
We just hold them at 90 degree angles at all times like dorks
spring bough
theyll update that for classic plus
cant wait to replay wow with realistic graphics
potent pivot
I can
I can wait an eternity
Don’t think they’ll ever get things right enough for me to try Classic again ngl
spring bough
at what point will they stop rereleasing classic lol
dark kernel
All the PvE players turbo crying on Twitter about the mount drops are insane
grave basin
Damn bro we old asf. Bout to be 33 in a couple months 😭 from WOW vanilla beta a...
92 gang
dark kernel
PvE mounts are literally non-valuable 2 expansions later. Like who cares you got mythic night hold golem
potent pivot
It’s pretty obvious that players that farmed rare drops will get angry when those drops are made common
But like
It’s such a shit argument at the same time
abstract stratus
Invincible and midnight are the only 2 pve mounts worth getting imo
spring bough
invincible most def
verbal field
question for assa, when is the go for burst deathmark + shiv? is it more directly in the opener? or is it better to first wait a second? or is it only a depends question?
potent pivot
Same type of argument as the people who say they should never let us obtain old elite sets or mage tower weapons
abstract stratus
Pls give mage tower weapons i was ass at the game during legion
potent pivot
They must be allowed to flex their e-peens in the game forever
dark kernel
It’s pretty obvious that players that farmed rare drops will get angry when thos...
I don't even consider the mounts rare. They aren't, they're just a waiting game
potent pivot
question for assa, when is the go for burst deathmark + shiv? is it more directl...
You want bleeds up first
The exact timing of your go just depends really
Just make sure the target has gar/rupture on them before using CDs on them
dark kernel
Some dude who was way off the deep end said the most cooked take I've heard.
potent pivot
I don't even consider the mounts rare. They aren't, they're just a waiting game
Taking a long time to obtain = rare
dark kernel
"If raid mounts drop rate is increased then gladiator mounts should be purchasable as well"
verbal field
Just make sure the target has gar/rupture on them before using CDs on them
aight so overall better no dm in first seconds 👌
potent pivot
Doesn’t matter if thousands of people got the mount when it was current content, the drop rate after the fact is like 1-2% etc
dark kernel
Yeah, but let's be real