pvp

[wintry dew]

not up in EU yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdfLU8e2l3g

somewhere in the middle of the video he talks about it

[hidden moth]

ight bet

thx

im na

[spring bough]

FIRST

bro these BFA timeways mogs look SICK

[hidden moth]

ur high

everything on the vendor looked dogwater even the mounts

[spring bough]

time to find out if belt isnt nerfed in pvp

charged bolts doesnt seem to be nerfed? Just did 2% of my dmg in a skirmish

100k plus hits from it

[potent pivot]

i would assume it is, but i haven't checked yet

it's doing like 10% dmg for outlaw in pve

[spring bough]

did a few more def not using it over stats lol

[errant river]

does it break cc? in open world it hits everything thats "in combat" it seems even if I havent pulled it

[narrow bay]

has anyone seen the one button 20mil damage macro

/castsequence reset=9 Ambush, Garrote, Rupture, Mutilate, Mutilate, Garrote, Crimson Tempest, Shiv, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Garrote, Mutilate, Mutilate, Deathmark, Kingsbane, 13, Thistle Tea, Shiv, Death from Above

apparently this is the one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c57ds5U6_2E

will this be my crutch to hit 1800 this season

[errant river]

doesn't it die to a single poison dispel

[narrow bay]

no clue

asking for info 🤣

[errant river]

its stacking amp poison

[narrow bay]

i need a crutch

[stoic spruce]

It hates to see an hpal coming

[spring bough]

def does

[spring bough]

i wonder how far a fresh 0 CR could climb using this

[narrow bay]

thats what im going to try

[spring bough]

and solely this one button

[narrow bay]

i barely tried any pvp this season

im going to go into duos with my mage friend whos decent

and just blast that one button rotation

LOL

maybe 1800 is possible

maybe not

worth a try

[errant river]

looks hard without a healer

gl gl

[spring bough]

this dude MEGA deleted that mage in one death from above when mage was like 65% LMFAOOOO

[potent pivot]

cast sequence macros are pretty garbage

[narrow bay]

supposedly in the video it was working for hte dude

to 1950 or whatever

thats enough to get me to pvp elite mogs

[potent pivot]

ye you can do almost anything to 2k rating

still need a bit more game knowledge than just spamming a csq macro

[narrow bay]

prayge

[grave basin]

Worth using over conq belt? Or you mean the proc with stats

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

[spring bough]

I meant the conq belt since it has stats

[grave basin]

Eh I'm sure you're right unless it's giga overtuned

Especially for sub and Assa that loses so much mastery

Might breakeven once it reaches ilvl 700 fully maxed out

[agile kite]

Controversial take

I hope one button become essentially bis way to pvp

Ideally, vanilla rotations of like 2-3 buttons BUT if not that, one button rotation fucking rules

Hitting 10 different buttons on feral for me to do effectively zero damage feels horrible. Doing a 9 button opener on sub to 1 shot someone, does not feel like a one shot

[potent pivot]

the 1 button shit is basically an auto -30%+ dps

it might work to get 1.8k or something

but you still have to do all of your own CC and use defensive/offensive CDs on your own

[stoic spruce]

Yeah you're gcd is increased by like 30% or something

[exotic dove]

One button is really bad for Rogues when I tested it on PTR. Before testing it I knew it was going to be bad in pvp for us but I wanted to see how bad and it was bad. Even on a BM Hunter or Dev Evoker you lose dps and you don't need it on those specs. I would not recommend touching this in pvp

[stoic spruce]

I wouldn't recommend it if youre an able-bodied person

[indigo hill]

That new belt gonna be of use in pvp?

[glass hazel]

dont think so

[grave basin]

1 button rotation in PvP is insta lose unless you're like 900mmr

Imagine you're one evis from winning a round and there's pets or w/e stacked and your rotation helper starts spamming fok/black powder

It doesn't even cheap shot for you so how will it do any goes

[exotic dove]

^

Well said

[glass hazel]

well it is implemented for people with disabilities in solo\lfr content mostly

so they can enjoy as well

pvp changes way too fast for it to work properly

also it is first iteration could be good in future releases

[grave basin]

NGL I can see it working for straight forward turret specs like BM/ele up to 1800

[stoic spruce]

This was stated multiple times and people still haven't gotten the message

So

We'll see

How often people ask

"I'm using the one button rotation but can't win anything. Any advice?"

[grave basin]

2400 OnE buTTon RotAtION chaLLEnGe!!!

[stoic spruce]

I just thought of a new insult for bad players that rage whisper

I can't share

It's for special occasions

The big guns, as they say

[grave basin]

Carried by cast sequence macros

[stoic spruce]

Sub rogues in SL

[grave basin]

TBF if I lose to someone using CSM I might as well uninstall

[stoic spruce]

You should tbh

Get off my game

[grave basin]

Deleting 20yr account asap

[stoic spruce]

Okie dokie

Bros breathing the wrong air

Also

[grave basin]

I am a grand wizard incel

Above you mortals

[stoic spruce]

No I am

I have the plaque to prove it

Oh incel

I just read grand wizard

[glass hazel]

[grave basin]

I am a mod on the looksmaxx forums buddy

[stoic spruce]

This guy

Bro

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

I went to Looksmaxx Island and no one knew you

[grave basin]

Tfw you're a chad lite in worlo worlo

[stoic spruce]

What's that like?

[grave basin]

Surrounded by moongaurd 304s

[stoic spruce]

Imagine being surrounded by hoes and not have a loving relationship lolol

This loser

Get him!

Damn I was gonna say something

You started this

[grave basin]

Teleports behind you

One button rotation helper spam

[stoic spruce]

farts

[grave basin]

tips fedora

[stoic spruce]

My inner moonguard was about to come out lol

[grave basin]

We need a short hand for this

Obr

[stoic spruce]

I just typed out the insult

It's amazing

[grave basin]

Don't make me bring out my OBR premium

[stoic spruce]

I have GOT to share it with someone

[grave basin]

Its got step kidney your evasion logic programmed by ion himself

[stoic spruce]

Van cleef will love it

[stoic spruce]

Dude

Imagine

Now imagine

An apple

You know what?

No

Imagine 2 apples

Now rotate them

Wtf am I yapping about

I have got to clock out, I'm going crazy

Here in this household, we get chat bans

[grave basin]

It's over tbh

I'm gonna vanish your blind

Nothing you can do chud

[languid ravine]

Wait a second.
Isnt this the FOURTH TIME this season we get increased PP (player power) ??
-Circe Ring
-ilvl Boost
-Helmet Corruption
-Belt

Its like in PvP where it doesnt make sense to play early before season end

[grave basin]

Circys is from last season

So yea 3 times, kinda meme how you can't push IO until so late

Not like that matters to most pvers

[glass hazel]

no point in going higher than 3k anyway

no reward unless you are going for title :x

[frozen shore]

for assassination is it better to open with ambush for deathstalker's mark or am i still trying to open with garotte/cheap shot? does it depend on the target?

[verbal field]

I open like garrote/cheap > ambush > garrote > garrote > rupture

[frozen shore]

i suppose that makes subterfuge mandatory

i've never liked subterfuge/how it makes me situate my action bars, but it makes sense

what's the point of multiple garrotes on the same target? does it stack?

[verbal field]

I do it like that just for cp’s

You also can garrote > ambush > rupture > garrote > tempest > garrote

[frozen shore]

sounds like the opening priority is getting all the bleeds up ASAP instead of worrying about envenom/mutilate

[verbal field]

And then like getting cp’s for kidney into shiv and deathmark

[frozen shore]

so we stack bleeds for sudden demise, then focus on preparing CC, and burst with shiv, envenom, mutilate i imagine?

[grave basin]

I have bad news friend

All 3 rogue specs use subterfuge in all content

[frozen shore]

no worries, i got used to it once and can do so again lol

i'm just not a fan of it

[grave basin]

I sorta understand what you're saying

You can match your top bar with your stealth bar to make things easier to see

[frozen shore]

that's probably what i'll do

[grave basin]

You get the idea

Old UI but concept is the same

[frozen shore]

i dont think mutilate or envenom ever get used in the subterfuge window, do they? so i could have my stealth bar mimic my primary bar with mutilate/envenom replaced with ambush and cheap shot i think

actually i dont remember if subterfuge keeps the stealth bar up or switches back to the normal one, my new rogue is still low level and i havent played one in a while lol

[grave basin]

You absolutely still mutilate and envenom in your subterfuge window

Not as much as outside of it but no reason to not have it bound

[frozen shore]

so what's the point of mutilating when ambush is available?

[grave basin]

Wait let me confirm before I talk out of my butt

For sure you still envenom when you've got every bleed up and still in subterfuge

[frozen shore]

right

[abstract stratus]

Pretty sure most sub rogues are still running tea over subterfuge no? I must have missed a post somewhere

[frozen shore]

murlok.io suggests a good amount of sub rogues are still running subterfuge, but it's a split

[stoic spruce]

Imagine having a choice

Sighhh

[frozen shore]

it looks like there's also a pretty even split between fatebound/deathstalker assassination rogues for blitz, mildly favoring fatebound. what's the major decision between the two? pros/cons?

[stoic spruce]

Sighhhhhhh

@tepid acorn Sighhhhhhhhhhhh

[grave basin]

I mean in blitz you don't really have time to stack up alacrity right

So you'd just default to the 2x vanish column

[frozen shore]

murlok.io suggests we still take alacrity as well for blitz

[long shore]

is it worth playing flagellation? or better to take deeper daggers?

flag feels really clunky ...

[languid ravine]

you have to ask yourself

do you want meatier shadow blades windows or better shadow dances outside of blades window

they are close enough to not worry about it imo

[stoic spruce]

Shadowblades so fun

Wish outlaw had something like that

[long shore]

i find it too clunky, dont mind just having better dances out of blades window

and the moment i press flag

airhorns start blasting and its insta peel

[tough cliff]

Returning after 10 years and am terrible. Any good guides to get started? Didn’t see anything in pins. Thank you

[grave basin]

you mean

dreadblades?

[grave basin]

tbf this happens with regular blades too

[grave basin]

HAPPENING

https://www.wowhead.com/news/hero-talent-tier-sets-coming-in-season-3-choose-between-two-options-per-spec-377250

boisssssssssssssss

[novel stump]

how do I properly open in pvp in sub?

[languid ravine]

do we know yet if new Belt in PvP yet and why not?

[dark kernel]

It's awful apparently

[potent pivot]

You never mutilate in subterfuge, but you might still envenom yes.

Just keep your stealth and non stealth bars exactly the same.

The only thing that should change is mutilate->ambush

[frozen shore]

word, thank you

[potent pivot]

Also, imo, take murlok with a grain of salt. Especially for blitz. The website is just an armory data scraper. It’s not showing you what people actually play in their games specifically.

[frozen shore]

where can i find pvp guides to get a better understanding?

[potent pivot]

There aren’t ever really any guides I’d feel comfortable recommending

You can learn very basic stuff about specs from wowhead/iceyveins

But the only thing I’d pay attention to is like, core spec functions/basic rotation

Things like gear, talents, etc get outdated rather quickly

[frozen shore]

gotcha, i assumed rotation/opener would be pretty different in pv[p

[potent pivot]

Depends on the spec

For assa it’s pretty similar to m+

If you can cleave, try to cleave your bleeds, get Deathmark up, crimson tempest, then envenom is last priority really

[frozen shore]

noted, thanks!

[long shore]

Hi all, how to deal with arcane mage or any mage playing blink stun in shuffle ?

Are mages pretty much unkillable in shuffle as sub rogue

Arcane mage lobbies feels super rough.

Also stuff like splay feels hard too where they do triangle formation

[spring bough]

Bring back dreadblades 2025

I loved nuking half my HP to fk someone up and pray they went out before I did 😂

@stoic spruce just realized for legion remix…. Dread blade ability making a come back with artifact weps?

[keen canopy]

here's hoping

[sharp sierra]

new belt good for pvp?

or nerfed?

[potent pivot]

seems pretty meh so far

it might be worth at the max ilvl, but i doubt it will even matter

[stoic spruce]

:D

[stoic spruce]

Dude

I have talked about this so many times lol

And

It makes me sad each time because it's such a weird situation

[verbal field]

Soo we’re getting an island..

[potent pivot]

Huh

[potent pivot]

#outlaw message

killing spree reworked

[gleaming sentinel]

[potent pivot]

it slows movement by 20%

and you can only cast sprint/defensives during it

still a giant improvement

[gleaming sentinel]

Gunslinger flavor is slick ngl. Reaper from ow vibes

[potent pivot]

but it probably doesn't break roots anymore i would assume

and doesn't stagger dmg

[lucid citrus]

Has it been announced of when S3 will start?

[potent pivot]

zero rogue pvp changes

ZERO

LMAO

[potent pivot]

not til like august or something

[lucid citrus]

Yikes..

[potent pivot]

tier set bonuses look kinda banger i think

[dark kernel]

Outlaw looks nuts

[potent pivot]

they're hero tree bonuses

[gleaming sentinel]

Surely PvP balance changes are coming before it drops

[potent pivot]

maybe

pvp has been dead this season

supposedly the most dead pvp season in wow's history

[gleaming sentinel]

It def feels that way yea

[lucid citrus]

I like the KB damage increase on the Fatebound
Hoping this will make KB decent again

[potent pivot]

it also reduced deathmark/kb CDs

which sounds really nice, if they weren't weak as fuck cooldowns rn

we'll have to wait and see if they make any changes to fix that

[lucid citrus]

Yeah still long ways before new season starts so crossing fingers for more changes

[potent pivot]

we're supposed to be getting seasonal reward changes too so

there's a small inkling of hope

the m+ mounts look pretty fucking sick ngl

[lucid citrus]

Yeahh it does, maybe it’s time for me to try PvE for the first time lol

[iron atlas]

hey guys, is there a catch up system for alts when it cvomes to pvp gear?

i have like infinite conquest points on my main is there a way to send any to alt characters

[potent pivot]

buy the gamba boxes and send them to alt

[dark kernel]

I just found out Outlaw had new killings.

Spree

[potent pivot]

yep

it likely doesn't break roots anymore

nor will it stagger damage now

just a 20% slow 5sec channel, which is hasted so more like 4sec

[dark kernel]

No root break sucks, but if they can make it a better damaging ability I don't care

Killing spree constantly shifts between being high ass useless and mediocre

[dark kernel]

That shit reads like Samira ultimate in League

Time to start tweeting at the Warcraft developer Twitter to unnerf restless blades since we are losing the set bonus that got it nerved

[wintry dew]

looks weird BUT way better

[hybrid palm]

Does rating inflation apply to all modes of pvp or just some?

[languid ravine]

NOO I loved getting epilepsy from random teleports into death zones that was the best thing about Outlaw smh

[potent pivot]

All rated brackets

[hybrid palm]

Ok thanks

[torpid swan]

do you guys re-apply thistle tea for darkest night evis?

[quaint cedar]

I can't decide what to think of new killing spree. Sounds like it should feel much better to play without the teleporting and camera jerking around. But it also sounds like in pvp someone can literally just walk away from it, like they can with bladestorm. Except bladestorm has CC immunity at least and this likely still doesn't. idk just seems even more like a worse bladestorm to me than it was before. What do you guys think?

Also lmao at other classes getting a million changes and the entire rogue class literally gets just this one killing spree change for outlaw

typical

idk the more I think about it, the more I think new killing spree might be useless. Like can you just get rooted during it and they walk away from you? Maybe if haste reduces the cast time enough that won't matter. They didn't mention anything about the haste reduction changing.

[balmy shuttle]

Biggest problem of new KS is that it attacks random targets in range.

[potent pivot]

I think it’ll be fine

Even now, KS isn’t really a “mandatory” talent in pvp

It’s just nice

Most likely can use the new one vs non-pet classes

[dark kernel]

I want to fuck with it

[iron atlas]

do you guys use weak aura packs?

im looking for something simple to track my burst cds thats not too cluttery

[potent pivot]

i only use them in pve

in pvp i look at my bars

tracking too much other stuff

omnibar etc

[spring bough]

Sounds dumb

Fucking blizz

[potent pivot]

its kinda sick ngl

can go on ptr and try it

i also linked a video

[potent pivot]

#outlaw message

its basically a pistol shot barrage eye beam now

but you can move during it

[spring bough]

Yeah idk I like my root break and 2.5m to one person

[potent pivot]

its still ST

as long as there isn't targets within 8y

[spring bough]

It says random enemies?

[potent pivot]

also does more damage and refunds cp

[spring bough]

Wonder how it’s gonna do ST when there a ton of pets

[potent pivot]

don't use it vs a bunch of pets

i'm pretty happy with the change, was basically the exact thing that others and i were hoping for

realz has also already stated that the cooldown will likely get extended and the damage tuned higher

so i'm all for a KS that actually does damage

the tier sets also seem pretty fire

[languid ravine]

I think its gonna be like Celestial Conduit where Pets soak all the damage, but you know, without it doing 20million points of heal/damage and no movespeed, CC Immunity and you can walk out of like the new Frost DK pillar, except the AoE will be tiny and also its going to slow you down and its gonna be bugged where tiny pieces of terrain block line of sight because Outlaw

and we wont even get to keep the Killing Spree Root break

[quaint cedar]

lmao yeah sounds about right

honestly might be a downgrade from what we have currently

as if this spec could somehow get any worse

blizzard always finds a way lol

[languid ravine]

and then buff Sinister Strike

by another 10%

[potent pivot]

ngl i'm surprised anyone can complain

i can understand losing the root break is meh

but the spell is so dog shit besides that

[quaint cedar]

well sure

no doubt it will be better for pve

but pvp everyone is just going to walk away from it

[potent pivot]

it only slows by 20% man

[quaint cedar]

it just seems like a budget bladestorm

[potent pivot]

you can still cast sprint/cloak/evasion/feint/hook during it

[quaint cedar]

yeah but you're not immune to roots or slows

[potent pivot]

and hook

[languid ravine]

best case scenario: it will be an amazing talent, so good in fact that you HAVE to take it and have 80% of your gameplan revolve around it

[quaint cedar]

you can't do any of that if you get rooted

[languid ravine]

wait that just sounds like Sub Rogue

[quaint cedar]

and the range is only 8 yds

[potent pivot]

you can do all of that if you get rooted other than hook itself

but i get the point

[quaint cedar]

I mean its only speculation because we don't actually know for sure how the ability will work. I just don't think it will be good for pvp

[potent pivot]

we do know

its on ptr

[quaint cedar]

oh ptr is up?

shit lol

[potent pivot]

ye

[quaint cedar]

wonder what the animation looks like

[potent pivot]

told vancleef a few minutes ago to go check it out

i also linked a video

of the animation

[potent pivot]

#outlaw message

it is sick

[languid ravine]

its gonna be copy pasted from any 90s action movie

360 pirhouettes akimbo

[potent pivot]

the damage also flurries

btw

so even if some ticks get soaked by pets, you're still doing aoe damage

[quaint cedar]

lol just saw it

[potent pivot]

i am like

[quaint cedar]

I do like having more gun stuff that isn't just crackshot

[potent pivot]

the epitome of anti-WoW right now

[quaint cedar]

animation seems decent enough

[potent pivot]

but i think this is a decent change

[quaint cedar]

I think it's a good change too. But I'm just pointing out potential problems for pvp

this is a massive improvement for pve, no question

[potent pivot]

yeah, i get the standpoint

[languid ravine]

yes of course its a good change we have known for 10 years that Killing Spree is stupid and dumb mechanically

[potent pivot]

i even said that pvp outlaws will be the only people who may not like the change earlier in the pve chat

but tbh its a very much needed change for the spec, for the game as a whole

[quaint cedar]

yeah agreed

[potent pivot]

yeh

[quaint cedar]

and maybe if it isn't awful to use, blizzard can actually invest in making it good

I think a big part of the reason why it is always shit is because it feels like shit to play

so blizzard doesn't want to make it too good

if that makes sense

[languid ravine]

makes no sense

therefore it could be true

[quaint cedar]

lol

honestly tho with the state outlaw is in currently its just hard in general to not be negative

this is the first time I've quit playing outlaw ever

its just so awful right now that it isn't even fun to play

so I'm playing feral instead the rare times I even bother logging in

[languid ravine]

Outlaw feels like you are playing a spec with minus 30 item level in a meta where almost everything is OP in some form

[quaint cedar]

yeah pretty much

your only value is to CC things and hope someone else wins for you

also the gameplay flow is terrible now

outside of AR you do no damage and have no energy

and because of the CDR nerf you don't have AR up nearly as much as you used to

nothing about it is fun to play

[languid ravine]

heres a funny thought I had recently

[quaint cedar]

really makes me sad because last season was my favorite season playing outlaw

felt amazing

and now we have this bullshit

[languid ravine]

now that shadowstep is gone and some chaos bolts take 0,5 seconds

if you expect it, reaction time: 0,1 sec + press grapple/aim grapple target lock press Kick + 0,1 second connection time + whatever travel time

good luck kicking that

and if you misclick by 5°

tough luck

out of range

and if you didnt jump before that

30% chance for grapple to bug out

[quaint cedar]

lol true, no step makes it harder to kick

[languid ravine]

and not even get the double grapple

[quaint cedar]

I play kul tiran on my outlaw because I hate myself and make bad life decisions
And literally the only good thing about doing that is playing a tall race makes the grappling hook bug occur way less often

maybe that's why I'm not as bothered by us losing shadowstep as most were

I would prefer to still have it, but I'm not that bothered by not having it anymore

[languid ravine]

I just had an Epiphany how to fix Crackshot

[stoic spruce]

idc how strong they make Outlaw, if they dont stop the adr loop with subterfuge, I'm not playing

[languid ravine]

just get like 5 stacks of boosted BtE that you can press without CD whenever you press Vanish

its literally so simple

that means I can press Cheap Shot without being punished for it

and you wont lose 50% of your dps if you eat a storm bolt

even Popo might accept that version of Crackshot

[stoic spruce]

no vanish

using it offensively kills me

against casters

[stoic spruce]

also

these tier bonuses

thats a lot of cdr/adr uptime on top of what we have already

[potent pivot]

new dh spec? 👀

[gleaming sentinel]

Support dh

[stoic spruce]

god we dont need more

havoc and veng are already their own level of cringe at all times

[gleaming sentinel]

So that’s where void volley is going

[potent pivot]

nvm

i think its fake

ai shit

[gleaming sentinel]

Too late I already shared it everywhere

[glass hazel]

rip ks

haha

i like how in patch notes there is tonn of text for other classes and rogues got only ks redesign

[potent pivot]

yeah its kinda fucking annoying ngl

this entire expansion's theme could be "ignore rogue's existence"

[glass hazel]

new set bonus kinda cool assa should be more bursty now

but well others do it better anyway

[vocal surge]

Killing Spree not worth using anymore in S3 with its current PTR patch note version

At best, 2 combo point Killing Spree exclusively for Trickster Outlaw to move it forward in rotation

And that's with 2p + 4p

From S3 set

Fatebound looks meta af with its set bonus

Adrenaline Rush becomes an overglorified MFD, Ghostly Strike uptime effectively 100%

[potent pivot]

i think they're gonna make it strong enough to be worth using

[stoic spruce]

realz said this isnt its final form

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

[vocal surge]

I see what Realz is going for with this change

[stoic spruce]

I wouldnt be surprised if Outlaw had more changes coming to combat the 100% adr uptime

[vocal surge]

Its just that .5s channel time per combo point spent is just so long

3.5 / 5 depending if supercharging that Killing Spree results in GCD loss

when the name of the game with Outlaw rn is Cooldown uptime

[stoic spruce]

I'd play the ptr but im currently being an Evil Resident

8

gotta beat the whole thing tonight

[potent pivot]

We might actually be getting a void DH spec

[stoic spruce]

how was it teased?

[potent pivot]

The spec choice window pic earlier def looked fake, but there’s been datamined stuff that suggests it’s coming

New ability icons and player skin models etc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1070839130776408104/1385098725361188864/image.png?ex=6854d536&is=685383b6&hm=66a986cf30f89507dd54a2ac0ac25aceeddb0db8bdbfb2877dde0ac731ff2571&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1070839130776408104/1385098740523860081/TLcbrfwNEDVuvX2oqOQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg.png?ex=6854d539&is=685383b9&hm=86ce72ac9f6cf88a715bfe1023f0f515c89faed90ac7f2b1a8865064f6b6e9e9&

There’s a few other icons and file names

[stoic spruce]

is this icon really new?

I feel like ive seen it before

either that or theres one very similar

[potent pivot]

its the same as Meta

just recolored

[glass hazel]

dh support?

void

@potent pivot do you think we will play fb next season?

or prob too early to say

[vocal surge]

I'd say too early, but from current iteration

Fatebound > Trickster by a longshot

[potent pivot]

highly doubt it

[potent pivot]

meant to reply to this

deathmark and kingsbane are too weak to care about the CDR

[glass hazel]

ok thats good 🙂 i like ds more

more defs plus mobility

[potent pivot]

if they would learn from the past with dispellable cooldowns

and fix deathmark

then i'd say yes

[glass hazel]

yeah bop sucks

[potent pivot]

but yep

doesn't matter how much you have your CD if it's tuning is weak and so many classes can just outright remove it

[grave basin]

Even races...

[glass hazel]

wish they make like when we use dm

dots cant be removed

[potent pivot]

i was going to throw that in there too but too depressing

[glass hazel]

fixed

[grave basin]

Bring back vendetta

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't mind other bleeds getting removed as normal

just make it so deathmark's debuff itself isn't

you can always reapply bleeds

that is a good cause/correlation

[grave basin]

Make wings spell stealable

Fuck palas

[potent pivot]

but dispels are too cheap to be removing entire 2min CDs

[grave basin]

Can no longer attack during bubble

Jk now they have truesight in bubble

[glass hazel]

this not a problem really

problem is they can get you out of stealth from far

with some abilities

[grave basin]

That's been a thing since like Df s1

Their aoe judgement hammer ignores stealth

[verbal field]

nah just talking bout that world pvp island on karesh

[grave basin]

Yea I'm actually looking forward to that

Reminds me of the korthia patch

Just going around killing

[potent pivot]

oh

[grave basin]

Back when everyone and their dog was orc

Thank god that's over

[tight hill]

always thought it was weird kidney was 30s but maim was 20s.

Wish we had some more changes tor rogue in these notes tbh.

[grave basin]

They could have cooked with the void thingy with sub rogue

Since we are sorta associated with it

[verbal field]

yooo first time ever

[glass hazel]

gz pogger

now time for 2100

[verbal field]

lets see if I can hit 1950 first haha the first pvp enchant would be dope

[rugged sparrow]

you got this gamer I believe in you ^^

[wintry dew]

@verbal field Lake believes in you, it's GG

[exotic dove]

Grats!! Don't stop push higher

[stoic spruce]

lock and load fucker

its only just begun

[verbal field]

Ty guys, rank 1 rick soon™ (nah im Joe King)

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/reaper-overwatch-ultimate-ultimate-reaper-overwatch-reaper-ultimate-ultimate-overwatch-gif-26919588

REAPER VIBES

[exotic dove]

One of my Alt Rogues Undev has me wanting to try my luck in the megamillions lottery with these ratings

I cant remember if I every got the same number like that before

[gusty hedge]

2333 2444 INC

[exotic dove]

Hell yeah lol

[dark kernel]

3333

Go for broke

I want to test ptr

[spring bough]

What u think of KS change

[gleaming sentinel]

I hope they make it do real dmg and make it like a nice burst cd. Sounds like that will be the case

[stoic spruce]

I like it but the dmg is lacking and the animation is jank from main gauche

Its cool to not press it on cooldown now

[spring bough]

What’s the new tier bonuses? Sounds like fatebound gonna be over trickster 😭

Fking blizz buffs trick for s2 then says fuck it for s3 is what it sounds like

[dark kernel]

I cannot understand the language on it

Feels like something triggers a massive cooldown reduction on AR

I fucking laughed when Tricksters 4pc is literally double coup

[spring bough]

Sounds awful lol

So wait there’s tier bonuses for hero talents now?

[dark kernel]

Yeah

They aren't spec based they are hero talent based

So it's different

There's a fatebound and trickster.

Need more tweets

[halcyon timber]

Interesting changes across the board . We definitely need to study our enemies

[dark kernel]

I think it's kinda nuts shadow prieses are getting like a 3rd rework in 2 expansiona

[stoic spruce]

Well

Tbf

They were moreso talent placement changes

[keen canopy]

oh yeah where can i find notes about the shadow priest rework i havent seen anything about it yet

[halcyon timber]

Talent updates

[keen canopy]

right right

[halcyon timber]

Lots of cool stuff and glad for those classes. Still happy with rogue though.

[keen canopy]

cant believe they made it to where i can no longer drag people into the depths of battlegrounds that have water

it's like they want to nerf me specifically

and as for the shadowpriest changes i dont really like what i read but maybe it'll play better

[halcyon timber]

Yeah seems good, im no priest but i am trying to look at everything with a mature lens

[dark kernel]

Spriests were already omega strong

So not sure what needed, it's probably for pve

[potent pivot]

Nice. That’s actually massive.

That’ll level out feral/rogue balance by a decent bit

Legit just depends on damage tuning after that

[abstract stratus]

Rogue tier sets look decent imo although it does seem like they are pushing for fatebound sin to run kb again even though it’s been out of the meta for a minute

[halcyon timber]

I dig the tier being focused on hero talents. All playstyles of talents from specs and variations are considered here and it was wise

Second wind talent kinda like a dampen harm effect for warrs

Demo not being as reliant on tyrant it seems is healthy for them

Lots of notes to check hmm

[dark kernel]

The Sub sets seem insane to me, but I saw something where these tier bonuses are nerfed to 33%, not 50% in pvp.

[halcyon timber]

Yes considering how stats are high in s3 naturally and were accounted for in their tuning.

[abstract stratus]

Wait the ks change looks so fun lmao probably not good but definitely goofy lmao

[stoic spruce]

Well

Kill pressure took massive hit

Because it's no longer a single target ability that cleaves in blade flurry

[abstract stratus]

Outlaw had almost no kill pressure to begin with imo but I also just mess around with that spec never push

[stoic spruce]

The GS/KS combo is pretty tough you can't deny

[potent pivot]

well

technically, it does still hit 1 target at a time and cleaves with BF

if no one is around to cleave to, it will be full ST

[stoic spruce]

Trickz

You know exactly what I mean

[potent pivot]

if there are more targets in range, the damage will still cleave

[keen canopy]

yeah but i can see some situations where i hit killing spree and then they just run away from the big shotgun blasts unlike teleport killing spree which would follow them

[stoic spruce]

I need every shot to hit one person

But I cant

So idk

[potent pivot]

i do, i just think its not a genuine statement

if new KS does a lotta dam, even cleaving it with BF will hurt

[abstract stratus]

Outlaw needs to be more gunslinger than pirate I never liked the pirate aesthetic

[stoic spruce]

I don't get that

Who said pirates can't gunsling?

That's like

What they're known for

All the bandoliers have holsters for multiple guns

Not a fan of the random targets

Though idk what theyd do otherwise

[potent pivot]

if they make it even stronger i don't find it to be an issue

[abstract stratus]

Outlaw gets miss fortune ult

[potent pivot]

extending the CD to 2-3min

so you aren't pressing it every 15-20sec

if it becomes like, a 45sec ability through CDR

and hits for 8mil

i fail to see how cleaving would matter very much

next season we'll have like, 14m hp?

[halcyon timber]

Yeah probably

[abstract stratus]

If outlaw takes Stam talent maybe even 16

[potent pivot]

just imagine having to make the enemy team stack so they don't insta die

could be cool

idk

trying to see a bright side

[halcyon timber]

How dare you be reasonable

[stoic spruce]

I get it

But I know I'll get mad if I press KS and my character shoves his gun through his face and shoots the person behind me instead (actual animation btw for undead.) Lol

Main Gooch hits

So that's something

[abstract stratus]

I wonder what the interactions with smoke bomb would be

[halcyon timber]

Pops people through your bomb and they cannot hit you id imagine following normal smoke bomb rules as usual

[abstract stratus]

I wonder if getting enemy smoke bombed in the middle doesn’t anything funky

Like is it a directional or is it targeted will a smoke bomb interrupt it
all that nonsense

[potent pivot]

its a randomly targeted aoe

so each tick hits a random target within 8y

if there's only one target within 8y, its basically a ST ability

i don't think an enemy smoke bomb will matter

[abstract stratus]

Make it the rogue version of blade storm
They won’t no balls

[gleaming sentinel]

I really hope they tweak it to do real damage since it’s so counterable

Longer cd is all good

[potent pivot]

maybe it'll immune some cc

or maybe they give us a pvp talent to make it immune cc

or parry

etc

[gleaming sentinel]

Pistols of fury

[pastel burrow]

actually though

they should

that'd be rly funny

[dark kernel]

Killing spree operating like monk FoF would be insanely depraved stuff

I love it.

[abstract stratus]

Make outlaw goofy again

[spring bough]

What if they add a dual ability where u could turn KS into purely ST or enable it to strike enemies within 8 yards

Kinda like sky riding switch ability 😂

[abstract stratus]

Outlaw rogue in a few months

[dark kernel]

If they make Killing spree hit harder but make it to where you have to ensure only one target is present to do it, I would actually like that skill setup

Like Imagine smoke bomb killing spree big dam

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m just glad they are recognizing that ability was a problem and are making changes

[dark kernel]

I don't think it was a problem I just think PvE players are shitters

Get big mad they Killing spree into a one shot conal uh oh

[potent pivot]

nah

no other ability in the game was as bad as KS

[gleaming sentinel]

I mean let’s not pretend it was good in PvP

Is good*

[jaunty osprey]

BUFF ASSA PLS

[abstract stratus]

PLS

The sets look good for sin imo

[waxen meteor]

Just got back from 2 weeks vacation, got overwhelmed by this patch

seems like too much to do

[halcyon timber]

Fk the hivemind

[karmic summit]

i dunno DFA was pretty bad for sub in legion

or sec tech is kinda cooked aswell

[potent pivot]

huh

[karmic summit]

in pve the ghosts that strike were bugged with the yard increase

so you would have 1 hitting sec techs in df aswell

[potent pivot]

but the ability doesn't cause you to die

KS is on a whole other level

[karmic summit]

never played outlaw tbh

[potent pivot]

i don't think anything is truly comparable to KS

[dark kernel]

It HAS been good in pvp, it's been purposefully undertuned forever

https://youtu.be/nHLh2Dh8Tlo?si=aZWe11BWkHBB0Q6E

[wanton breach]

holy clicking backpeddling

[dark kernel]

It's just a random guy ofc.

60 view video

[midnight siren]

is the belt worth it? i assume it does 0 damage in pvp

[potent pivot]

doesn't seem like it, no

maybe once its max ilvl

[midnight siren]

yea makes sense. checked a guide and had no mention

[potent pivot]

most guides get outdated very quickly

i wouldn't recommend using them for specific gear pieces or builds

always just check murlok.io and make your choices based on what you see most people doing

[midnight siren]

i thought a guide would get updated with the patch faster than murlock. its only 2 days of data after all.

[potent pivot]

nah

we've been on the same patch for months

[dark kernel]

I think we are exactly 3 months or 13 weeks in

Maybe 14

[jolly sierra]

are we stuck in an endless season again?

tbh i stopped playing rated after the 2k1 and rn i am just leveling in classic for the pre event

[dark kernel]

There has been no season longer than 6 months since season 2 of shadowlands, which is over 3 years ago now

[abstract stratus]

https://x.com/dalaran_rogue/status/1935463882979487840?s=46&t=4hO-_fdkfhPW6g7GV6Ic-A
What is new that’s letting him jump backwards like that? Or is it a weird coup de gras animation?

Dalaran the Rogue (@dalaran_rogue)

Killing Spree new animation!
(You now become reaper using Ult. You can move while it plays. It does AoE damage. It hits harder. It also generates Combo Points)

X · Jun 18, 2025, 10:25 PM

[vagrant elk]

Just looks like he strafe jumped and did nelf flip

[hidden moth]

im nutting

im nutting rn

holy fuck

fuck the bonus damage but 2 second increase shiv window AND IT USES DSM STACKS!!!!!!!!!

[stoic spruce]

Meh

[hidden moth]

Better than rng “here have random damage buff that can fuck off or be amped randomly hehe”

Also no more abom limb

Blood dk death grip drs now

And nullifying shroud reworks

All pog ngl

[potent pivot]

depends how nerfed it is in pvp

[grave basin]

This isn't good for us btw

Cc immunity in their rotational ability

[ionic orbit]

can you share the link for where those changes are? I cant find the specific page on wowhead

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ghosts-of-karesh-ptr-development-notes-377345

you have to scroll down

and go through the pages of news posts

[ionic orbit]

where are you seeing those rogue changes? im only seeing this for rogue

[potent pivot]

those ARE the only rogue changes

what they linked are next season's tier set bonuses

[ionic orbit]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

can find em on wowhead's front page

there's also a link to them on the post i linked earlier

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-the-war-within-season-3-class-sets/577477

wow feedback forum

that assa set sounds omega underwhelming

[pliant mauve]

Damn. They don’t really fuck with rogue anymore, eh? Every patch note cycle all the other classes have like novel-length changes while rogues get a few bullet points. Crazy.

[grave basin]

Best we can do is cdr nerf and 11% to sinister strike

[jaunty osprey]

aff assa STONKS

BUFF ASSA PLS

[dark kernel]

u going for a second R1 title this season yeah?

[jaunty osprey]

uhh

probably not

I haven't even queued shuffle

maybe only 3s R1 push if I find the game fun

But even then, there are so few spots

[hidden moth]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/577478-ghosts-of-karesh-development-notes/

[hidden moth]

24 second cd for non healer 14 second for healer

its a dub for gonig against dev imo

sure they can skill play around it but at least they will end up saving it to use as a oh shit predict a cc than strong healing, also if they usei t for positioning then they wont have it in a pinch

healer will have it a bit more often but at least this way u wont feel compelelty shut down for a go window bc healer is just immune to a core piece of the game

[wanton breach]

probably better for overall mental health

[wanton breach]

is the delve belt actually nerfed in pvp? effect wowhead pages say pvp modifier 1 and I didn't get to test it yet in pvp

[grave basin]

Yes it is absolutely dog poop

maybe at max ilvl it evens out but losing all your secondaries is no beuno

[wanton breach]

Love to hear that

[grave basin]

I haven't bothered to get it lol should though since it's gonna be carried over to next season

For pve reasons

[long shore]

hey guys, so flagellation and deeper daggers not much difference for Sub?

[spring bough]

BUFFS? NEVER

i feel like when the devs are in meetings and the one guy goes "are we gonna update rogues now?" everyone just bursts out laughing and they are all like yeah nah onto the next

[tight hill]

What buffs to Assa would you like to see?

[chrome schooner]

Envenom's damage

[abstract stratus]

All dots pumping harder and faster

[chrome schooner]

That's the problem

[tight hill]

you think it just needs flat buffs? Envenom does hit like a wet noodle, but then everyone is spec'd in to AOE from what I can see. New to sin so i'm not sure how the meta has shifted season to season

[chrome schooner]

Even if you try to copy a raid st build envenomw on't deal much more dmg

It's just that this full on AoE design in PvP prevents single target spells from being good else the spec is easily broken

And so you can't kill people

[tight hill]

yeah it does feel bad. Removing the PVP modifier on Symbolic victory would be nice at least

[safe pelican]

Might dip my toe back in blitz for S3 if the rewards aren’t dogshit gotta look today

The season opening player pool is what it’s all about i need that toxicity in my life tell me ima dogshit rogue even though i won us the game i need to hear it

[abstract stratus]

Or they could decrease bleed duration and increase damage per tick that way the shiv windows feel more meaningful earlier in damp

[tight hill]

Would this be terrible with the aim of increasing envenom dmg? Does amp poison suck in pvp?

hm lightweight shiv can actually go to serrated bone spikes also

[glass hazel]

i want dm to be immune to bop etc -_-

[tight hill]

hm imagine if it worked like skullsplitter and made all your bleed dmg tick instantly

[grave basin]

yea same for hunters kill shot

it cleaves now so it hits for a wet noodle

smh it used to crit mages for like 30% of their hp

[hidden moth]

Dm being removed is kinda ass same with kb but evokers having a 1 min cd to remove your 2 min main cd feels unfair af

Vs a warrior who pops avatar or hunter with true shot, u can los kite cc etc for those ccs but u cant just

Hmmm dispell gg

[tight hill]

tested this and it sucks... not worth it at all lol

[abstract stratus]

Honestly removing dm and bringing back vendetta or even exsanguinate would be better 50% of the time death mark doesn’t feel like it accomplishes anything

There are rounds I don’t press it that feel entirely the same as rounds I press it during kidney bomb shiv windows

We need a better big cd to play around

[spring bough]

so an arcane, frost, and MM walk into a solo shuffle against an outlaw..... with a disc and a resto shammy healing.

[abstract stratus]

Imagine If they changed kb to stack off of ANY poison application on the target

[jaunty osprey]

Mobility and Envenom 10000%

[abstract stratus]

Mobility in what way you think?

[jaunty osprey]

I actually have an envenom build that I’ve shown to @potent pivot for this season

That can hit for 5M+ envenoms without amp poison

But like just too energy starved with how much we get kited so bleed uptime isn’t insane

[jaunty osprey]

Make sprint give us a mini freedom again

Sprint does absolutely NOTHING besides the moment you’re in stealth at the start of the game or when you’re vanished

with the amount of slows there are

and roots

[abstract stratus]

Bring back Bursts of speed

A mini freedom would actually help a lot with the lock and frost mage lobbies

[jaunty osprey]

Arcane auto wins vs assa

cause you can’t touch them

they blink when you stun

and they go invis when you actually get uptime and break their shield

And then they just root you if they blink without being stunned

[abstract stratus]

Ok so gut arcane mage is what I’m hearing

[jaunty osprey]

😭

[abstract stratus]

Running dfa feels bad but I kinda like it into mages just for the mobility

Something’s gotta change for sin tho

[dark kernel]

i realized I almost only get mage CDs when I DFA an important peel and they have no other out

[abstract stratus]

I think dfa would feel better if they cut the animation duration in half

[jaunty osprey]

Dfa stonks

[tight hill]

dfa while lock ports and it will follow them? thats kinda sick actually

[jaunty osprey]

Long animation makes it so u can do stuff like that

yep

[abstract stratus]

Rocket mannnnn

I guess in that context the animation time works better

[jaunty osprey]

You can immune CC with it too

[abstract stratus]

You can?!

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah

Long animation makes it insane

You see a coil or stormbolt flying at you

press DFA

or about to get mass polymorphed or cloned?

or kidneyd

etc etc

[abstract stratus]

That’s insane I’ve only ever used it into mage lobbies to try to connect but I’m gonna try running it into more comps if that’s the case

[jaunty osprey]

Sometimes I get more use out of it than bomb

[abstract stratus]

Bomb should honestly be a baseline ability again

Let us have more variety in PvP talents , taking the same 2 every game usually only having one flex is ugh

[tight hill]

im messing around with my ui and queing skirmish... there's so many rogues trying that oneshot meme lol

[abstract stratus]

It doesn’t work nearly as well as in the video

Cherry picked clips

[tight hill]

yeah ofc, pretty funny though they are doing 0 dmg

[abstract stratus]

The true one shot is the friends we made along the way

[stoic spruce]

Assa doesn't have kill pressure btw

[abstract stratus]

SAYS U

[vocal surge]

Nah, Assa scary to fight rn as Outlaw

in 2v2

[stoic spruce]

I'm just mocking what the others said about assa not having kill pressure

[gusty hedge]

gonna miss doing Fly by Killing spree to end a fleeing target mid air
Rework feels good tho on a target dummy, cant wait to test it live

[gleaming sentinel]

Need an FC killing blow with new ks after I grapple by. Need to win a game by drive by

[abstract stratus]

Drive bys need to be a thing

[jolly sierra]

how u all are 1 shotting ppl wtf

[abstract stratus]

We aren’t LMAO

[manic steppe]

the mog you use here lowkey goes hard

[dark kernel]

Jorkin 4 jesus

[hybrid palm]

Anyone knows if the next patch illusion is out?

[potent pivot]

I can check

[potent pivot]

I don’t believe anything has been publicly released on the s3 illusion yet no

Probably hasn’t been added to any files to be data mined yet

[gusty hedge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/9dPk1T6bVk

[jolly sierra]

looks... meh tho

shadowflame left too high the stake

[potent pivot]

ooo niiiice find

[versed falcon]

Looks placeholder, no?

[potent pivot]

i actually think that one is kinda sick

[potent pivot]

nah

[iron atlas]

where can i find these gamba boxes?

[potent pivot]

on the vendor

[iron atlas]

for my alt

[potent pivot]

pvp vendor

[jolly sierra]

2150 MMR and i have an elite healer

is that normal?

[potent pivot]

Think so ye

Lack of healers

[jaunty osprey]

Healers can heal dps lobbies of up to like 300-400 mmr diff from theirs

I forget the exact number

[jolly sierra]

wont cause disbalance for the healer which is just in that rating? xd

[hidden moth]

kb doesnt feel awful in bg blitz, ik ur talking more of an 3v3 + shuffle perspective and i understand that

[hidden moth]

animation duration fine, but ngl only 15% increased dam is kinda meh, should be 50% with how long the cd is

[hidden moth]

was removed for the same reason they are removing abom limb from deathknights in s3 it fucks with raid mechs

[hidden moth]

2150 mmr in shuffle is elite?

[potent pivot]

you misunderstand what they were saying

panda was 2150mmr but had an elite healer in their lobby

[hidden moth]

ohhhhhhh

gothca

[hidden moth]

think it tries to match the healers mmr to each other but yeah healer mmr cr in shuffle is ass

harder to go up in mmr and cr as a healer and bc of how finiky their ques are set up to cater to dps having longer ques they end up getting weird lobbies like this where in df if u went 3-3 u lost mmr and cr and a decent chunk

https://check-pvp.fr/solo top 50 shuffle and there is only 2 healers, 1 in 2nd and the next healer is 41st

looks so good

though they cooked with pally

[halcyon timber]

I thought all the sets were cool. I dig simple and some people don’t but that’s completely cool

[pliant mauve]

Brah I’ve been hardstuck at 2290 for like 3 weeks (at least). There is no rhyme or reason to these healers. I’ll go 6/0 to a healer with 3 current glad toons only to get face rolled by a guy who just climbed for the first time this season.

I understand this says more about me but oh well.

[hidden moth]

demon hunter and mage got shafted

dk to a extent as well but not badly, druid is okayyyy and evoker is good from chest up but u know the best part of the set beiung the helm isnt visable when ur in combat...

[halcyon timber]

More transmogs peeps can combine. I only care about rogue stuff but i mix and match anyway

Yeah evokers dealing with their thing. I can understand why they decide to do that in dracthyr form

Sin’dorei forever though

[hidden moth]

i get why they do it but like

make it so i dont have to be dragon to fight shit

[surreal leaf]

What the bloody hell... this one temple of kotmogu, a fellow subtley rogue whooped me from full health to 0 in under three seconds in one stun, meanwhile one full rotation of my spells.. i barely damage anyone past 75%... i have like top enchanted armor.. all pvp... high high mastery... etc

[halcyon timber]

Yeh its just for combat purposes to have a tell ig vs flapping around with no wings and shooting fire during visage etc

[hidden moth]

skill issue?

[hidden moth]

dopesnt work anymore bc other classes can be scaley

[surreal leaf]

I have a pretty good rotation...

[halcyon timber]

Keep practicing duckie, don’t get discouraged

[hidden moth]

so when u were oh its a scaley its a evoker now its a scaley so 1/7 classes

[hidden moth]

wasnt a dis btw

[surreal leaf]

I know ❤️

Im just wonderint am i not doing a spell in time to unlock full potential... etc

[halcyon timber]

I dig Scthabby, just up to the devs if they decide to change that i dunno. I have no weight or opinion

[surreal leaf]

I mean 3 seconds full health to dead with 1 gouge...

[hidden moth]

ye thats fair

[halcyon timber]

Depends what they use and how they did it etc

[hidden moth]

did u have a orb?

[surreal leaf]

Nope

[halcyon timber]

Prefeinting nullifies stuff and a proper trinket to cc in them

[surreal leaf]

They didnt either

[halcyon timber]

Who lots of potentials to why one gets blasted

Wouldn’t sweat it man

[hidden moth]

^

could also be rng lucky crits

[halcyon timber]

Shrug it off, record and review and adapt for next one no sweat

[hidden moth]

u said 2 rogues hit u in that window yeah"?

[surreal leaf]

Brb rq

Irl calls

[hidden moth]

2x fatty secret tech can be fatty burst esp if both crit

[halcyon timber]

Could have had his empowered stuff already up and just lined up everything

Any class can whoop on any others given the right conditions and if the individual isn’t able to respond adequately

[hidden moth]

assa vs ret pally begs to differ

[halcyon timber]

Ha yeah ye ol paladin

It is what it is, we adapt and overcome

[surreal leaf]

2 rogues at the start but then 1 rogue did it in one gouge.. right out of graveyars multiple times

[halcyon timber]

Yes likely crit casino and cds

All were favorable, doesn’t mean it would happen “everytime” though

[surreal leaf]

They have lower crut than me

Gtg then ill share them vs me

[halcyon timber]

No sweat, please share when you can. No pressure man .

[grave basin]

is this conquest or elite set?

[potent pivot]

conq i think

[grave basin]

looks p cool

not gonna lie i wish we had a full black set

like legion elite set

[verbal field]

if im not completely wrong then all elite sets should be ina red tone

[stoic spruce]

White and red

No

They should change it up

Sick of teal

[verbal field]

white one is cooler imo

with the myth effect could be a premium elite set

[stoic spruce]

Yknow

I'm pretty okay with KS not removing roots anymore

Dfa would get some actual play now

Into specific comps

[vocal surge]

That's a very bad trade off

[potent pivot]

Personally im fine with it

[stoic spruce]

Well none of the pvp talents are great

[potent pivot]

I think they’re going in the right direction on this one

[stoic spruce]

Disarm and smoke sure

[potent pivot]

Hopefully they continue to iterate upon it from feedback

My biggest hope

[stoic spruce]

Same

But tbh

[potent pivot]

Is that

[stoic spruce]

I'm fine with it currently

[potent pivot]

They make a dodge pvp talent for it

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

If they extend the CD

And you just get stunned on ur ks

Feelsbad

[stoic spruce]

We can use defensives during it so maybe a pvp talent where evasion doesn't go on cooldown when used during killing spree

[potent pivot]

Tbh I don’t see them giving outlaw any extra defensive capabilities

I know I said a dodge pvp talent but honestly just a cc immunity would fit better

[stoic spruce]

if they unnerf RB I could see just evasion during KS tbh

well float is nerfed too

[grave basin]

nah no way

theyve systematically nerfed outlaw defensives since SL

like every patch

[potent pivot]

yeh

i don't think a cc immunity would be out of the question

but i'm livin on a prayer on that one

[vocal surge]

Fatebound is so giga cracked on the PTR rn

lmao

WOOOOOOOOOO

Stacking 7 coins from 1 press of a button

[potent pivot]

yeah the tier set makes it kinda noice

[vocal surge]

Aye

I think this is too strong lmao

Theres no build up

its an immediate lucky coin from just the opener

and if you do reset, every 20s you can brute force another 7 or 8