pvp

[exotic dove]

oh I didnt know that

[stoic spruce]

It was big in the dk community so I wouldn't expect a lot of people outside of that to know tbh

Dk pvp community*

[long shore]

Very true. Sub can be very rewarding!

[stoic spruce]

You know how you can change your name in details? Can other people see what your nickname is in details?

[long shore]

Think I'll try to gear up as sub. And see how it goes

Assas might be good rot damage too in shuffle

I think we just have to accept that rogues are there as a support class to make other classes look good 😊

[dark kernel]

I sent a feral druid to the 0-6 Shadow realm as outlaw the other day, and in some matches he nearly doubled my damage

[gleaming sentinel]

I win so much more often when I just do an m+ rotation in shuffle on outlaw and just do a quick off target stun when I vanish

[dark kernel]

Yeah I agree

Just hard some games and my CC was mega on point

[outer sky]

LOL people think assa rogue is good in arena right now?

What

It's horse shit

theres like 12 assa rogues above 2,4

ive been playing it all season its actually trash

[keen canopy]

yeah my assa rogues in arena feel horrendous right now my outlaw and sub rogues feel way better

[outer sky]

you cant kill anything. you maintain bleeds on all 3 targets, which is really hard to do against any team that knows what theyre doing, and you do maybe 10% more damage on the meters than anyone else doing all their damage to 1 target. And since it's split 3 ways your dam is a joke to heal as assa

you get cooldowns then have no pressure until theyre back up again

no kill pressure

and you die to air

Ive been playing my WW monk this past week and hes not even fully geared and he can do more damage to 1 target than my assa rogue does to 3

[keen canopy]

well maybe WW is just busted ya know

[outer sky]

it is a little yeah but assa is still way undertuned. Arms warr does more dam to 1 target than assa does to 3 as well

[stoic spruce]

Assa may not have kill pressure

But I'm going through something much worse

A fly got in my coffee

[keen canopy]

1984

[stoic spruce]

So who's REALLY down bad

Fr

[keen canopy]

this is why you put a lid over every drink

[stoic spruce]

I was barely gone

Gonna

Idk

I guess make a new cup

Can't have shit

I go to the club

Nothing in my drink

The comfort of my home?

I have my own d-day

Technically outside

[dark kernel]

Piss on the fly

[stoic spruce]

He burned to death

He got off easy

[keen canopy]

i know somebody who drank a bee

like the bee got in their can of whatever soda

and they drank it

so what im saying is
it could be worse

[stoic spruce]

Well they probably deserved it

But I, the universe's favorite child, have done nothing wrong.

The flies are obviously out to get me

There was a dead animal my dog dragged into the yard the other day and I burnt it so it wouldn't stink up the yard

They're probably mad about that

Flies should know better. This is private property.

[indigo hill]

Is sub easily energy starved compared to outlaw?

[long shore]

Would you recommend playing Sub or Outlaw then?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw either has infinite energy or none at all depending on if ar is up or not

Managing energy is a thing of the past for outlaw

[indigo hill]

I know that but i was wondering if Sub has allot of energy starvation.

[stoic spruce]

Oh I misread my b

[jaunty osprey]

Assa isn’t S++++ tier, but isnt F tier like everyone is making it seem

It NEEDS to play with a Paladin or Pres though

2 classes that can heal Assa properly, but also win the games through damage or CC that

This season, Assa Rogue needs teammates that can get enemy healers in a CC chain in order for their rot pressure to actually do anything

[stoic spruce]

Weren't you playing with afflock not long ago? How did that go?

[jaunty osprey]

I played BM Assa the other day to 2700 MMR

[jaunty osprey]

Still good

[stoic spruce]

That's cool. I like that comp

[jaunty osprey]

We haven’t queued in a few weeks, lock and I haven’t had schedules that aligned

[stoic spruce]

Bm assa is something idk if I've seen

This season

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, Jaywaz and I wanted to get our alts up and ended up doing well with it

played with a pres, so trap -> sleep every kidney

is insane

Wouldn’t say it’s game breaking by any means, but point is that Assa needs to play a very particular style of game to win this season

It isn’t as bad as everyone is making it seem, BUT it isn’t S+ tier like it’s been since DF

It sucks to not be able to PVE and win when a lot of the top specs can do that atm, but it is what it is

[stoic spruce]

Lowkey miss assa/unholy. I had a lot of fun with that. I've no idea about now though.

[jaunty osprey]

Assa Frost works! Assa needs to predot everything before the DK go

[stoic spruce]

I like rogue/dk comps because I can play either class and do great

Assa frost is interesting

[jaunty osprey]

And if possible have empowered garrotes out and pandemic it + make sure silence DR is over before sending DK go so they can strangulate the healer off of it or smth

[stoic spruce]

I bet I can manage that

Imma screenshot this and send it to the homie

[jaunty osprey]

A lot of comps are 2.4 viable atm, which is great

People need to look at that instead of R1 viable comps

Game isn’t as doom and gloom as people think

[stoic spruce]

Nah not at all. I've been having a blast with outlaw/ret

Pun intended

[jaunty osprey]

People gotta stop watching Ven/Supa complain about 1029292 classes every week.

The negativity and whining in those streams are making everyone else become more negative 😭

[jaunty osprey]

I’ve been loving ret

so fun

[stoic spruce]

For real. I wish I could play two classes at once.

But we decided I stick with outlaw

[shell vortex]

i'm pretty sure it's limited to friends/guild cause i never see random people nicknames but i always see my friends'

[jaunty osprey]

Ya it used to be only friends and guild back in the day too for that

[jaunty osprey]

and direct PARTY

[stoic spruce]

Dang okay.

Well that's good enough I guess.

I don't need it obv. Would just be nice.

[long shore]

Thank you! Just what we needed to hear 😄.

I'm so confused with the state of the game watching YouTube videos. Would always be good hearing from people on the ground

[shell vortex]

i suoppose it's because they can't moderate it and they'd get complaints """"IF""""" people started writing stuff against terms and conditions

not like that anyone would do that...............

[jaunty osprey]

Don’t listen to these tier lists/streamers

they play at a level that the every day person doesn’t

[stoic spruce]

Totally not >.>

[jaunty osprey]

to them, if it isn’t meta, it isn’t viable

[dark kernel]

I honestly haven't been enjoying most streamers now that Nahj is gone

Kalvish just doesn't talk

[jaunty osprey]

Nahj used to always complain too, he would say that Assa is way better than Sub, even this season

[long shore]

Yeah watching those videos make me feel like nobody plays rogue anymore.

And all rogue specs are basically F tier.

And only pikaboo or whaaz can make them work

[stoic spruce]

I ran into an outlaw/bdk/rdudu the other day and ngl it kinda fucked me up lol

[dark kernel]

It's true, but it was manageable for me

[jaunty osprey]

Kinda biased, but Montage/Wizk are probably my favourite streamers atm

Montage is my 3s healer, also #1 on ladder atm

Wizk is Wiz, and he’s been playing with Zach (one of the best healers)

[stoic spruce]

I watch mes but only when he plays dk

[jaunty osprey]

And they’re just so good and comms are great

And good vibes/not negative

[long shore]

I guess negativity sells, and gets more views and clicks.

Plus These guys have no idea what it's like playing rogue.

They main everything but rogue

[stoic spruce]

You hear bad things much faster than anything good

[dark kernel]

Wym supatease got 1800 on rogue 🤓

[stoic spruce]

Doesn't he play boomy too?

[shell vortex]

i just steer clear from people who play multiple classes and have thumbnails where they go 🖐️ 🫨 🖐️ DAMAGE IS INSANE

that's why a few days ago i was asking for some reccomendations on sub bgb players that don't scream for everything that they do

[stoic spruce]

That's very hard to come by

[jaunty osprey]

Also, when watching these streamers

Remember that what is needed to win a game at 2700 isn’t what’s needed to win a game at 2k or 2400

[shell vortex]

ye ye obviously, but i'm all for learning techs and strats

since i hit like a toddler if i don't have my cd's i need to find a way to be useful apart from being a cc bot (which doesn't work if i don't have at least vanish or a dance)

[long shore]

I'm just gonna ignore tier lists now and play the game for myself haha

[jaunty osprey]

Good

[stoic spruce]

That's for the best

[shell vortex]

unless you settle for aug evoker

[long shore]

So which spec is recommended for 3v3 as rogue now or shuffle?

With the new feint talent, it seems to make rogue tankier

[stoic spruce]

This is def a hot take

And I'm also biased

Super biased

But I think outlaw best 3s spec

For now until I get higher at least.

[jaunty osprey]

Outlaw is harder to play well

Assa or Sub are my recommendations if you’re a beginner

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I didn't think about that

[long shore]

Sounds good. Probably play assas / sub then. Since gear is the same stats, easier to slowly figure out which spec I feel more comfortable on

Does assas really do negative damage in shuffle?

Or is that just a skill issue

[jaunty osprey]

Skill issue

[stoic spruce]

No that's doom and gloom

[jaunty osprey]

I can push to #1 assa in shuf in 1 day if I wanted

[stoic spruce]

Envious

I don't have the patience

I'll be in queue for 5 minutes and leave the queue. Drives me up a wall sitting around running in circles hoping i get a good lobby

[long shore]

So assas actually does a ton of damage in shuffle / 3v3?

Just confused when I should bleed healer, and when I should just double bleed DPS instead

[stoic spruce]

People were posting assa meters the other day and I'm pretty sure they were topping in those matches

[long shore]

Oh niceee if you can rupture and indiscriminate carnage pets, I think can top DPS

[shell vortex]

aoe padding is always good

[stoic spruce]

Wish outlaw had the same stat pathing

[shell vortex]

idk how much dps you'd be missing by not having 9 perfect gems, but you could buy all the off-set pieces or craft them since conquest is uncapped

i'm probably gonna dump them on crates if i ever decide i want to play something else

[stoic spruce]

I have nothing crafted

At least for outlaw, I think the gear provided is fine

[shell vortex]

then just get the offset pieces with the right stat prio for other specs

and keep the 4p you already have

you'd just be missing the gems

speaking of which, what's the mastery cap for sub? cause rn in pvp i'm sitting at 95% and i still need to buy 3 gems

[dark kernel]

100% is soft cap with mastery, every 10% over is needed by 10%

If I recall that's how it works

[stoic spruce]

It also changes with every spec

[dark kernel]

Yes

With mastery as far as I know for over 100% mastery, the first 10% is nerfed 10%. So effectively speaking if you have 110% mastery your finisher damage is increased by 109%

120% mastery actually Increases finishers by 117%, 130% mastery is 123% damage, 140% is 129%

[shell vortex]

oh i had no idea you could go over 100%

not sure i can get there tbh

[dark kernel]

It's dependent on the patch

Last season in DF you could get like 135%

But the DRs start making it not ideal

Also it USED to be that the mastery bonus from flagellation was unaffected by the DRs, so a max flag was still 35% finisher damage. I don't know if that's true now

[shell vortex]

i never played flag but that sounds sick

also afaik haste doesn't affect gcd on rogues right? cause i'm leaving gap in my stunlocks and i need to fix that, like the hunter managed to disengage away but he could've easily used turtle or even worse disorient + trap me

the rogue used trinket but i'm pretty sure there would've been a short gap

(used trinket after sitting 5s of kidney and eating the full burst)

[stoic spruce]

What's it like having shadowblades?

[shell vortex]

low effort but sums it up

[stoic spruce]

Shadowblades is fun

I like its gameplay

[shell vortex]

i mean it's objectively super strong

[stoic spruce]

Was better when outlaw had it but whatever

[shell vortex]

but without cooldowns sub is more or less a cc bot

and a mediocre one if not even shadowdance is available

[stoic spruce]

Numbers aside

It's fun

Still salty

[shell vortex]

this salty?

[jaunty osprey]

This is more of a comp dependant question

[stoic spruce]

More salty

https://youtu.be/AMSnlYVYzt8

A walk through memory lane

Remember when gsw was big pp?

[shell vortex]

honestly i've always hated outlaw since it was introduced and never looked back at it

hated the randomness of dice

idk how it plays now but i still hate it

that side of the talent tree died with combat for me

[stoic spruce]

The specs rng isn't really tied to rtb tbh

[shell vortex]

yeah idk how it works now

[stoic spruce]

Your buff uptime is so high

[shell vortex]

but i remember trying it when it launched and i was either first or last in dps

cause of dice

i mean roll the bones

or what was the name

[stoic spruce]

Roll The Bones

Goated ability

The amount of health the mage had before the pistol shot landed the kill

Man, take me back.

Shammy got deleted

@chrome schooner idk if you remember and I've wanted to ask for years, what's the question mark macro?

I see pistol shot isn't bound. I assume is SS until an opportunity proc

[chrome schooner]

This is an old one, let me see

Mmh, I don't remember, probably a spell that wasn't always used and loading screens made it appear as a questionmark rather than the spell icon

[stoic spruce]

So the question mark wasn't your doing?

As far as you remember

There's no telling. Just wanted to know. Thank you.

[halcyon timber]

Correct, haste does not affect our gcd.

[chrome schooner]

I don't think it was, I usually like to have the icons

Maybe it was Killing Spree ?

That's possible

[shell vortex]

judging by the video what should i do differently then? use cheap shot on the last second of kidney despite already having 5cp instead of eviscerate?

(the first fight with the rogue)

[halcyon timber]

Nah homeboy didnt defend well at all. Was fine but def don’t gap stuns

Trinket late or sloppy = pay the toll

[shell vortex]

yeah i mean he played like shit

but i was wondering what i could do better

[halcyon timber]

Just don’t gap stuns and whoop em. Would need to see more

[shell vortex]

mh

[halcyon timber]

Not really a set and forget thing. Adapt to stuff on the fly

[stoic spruce]

Well, regardless. When your SL videos have an extra view, just know it's me

[chrome schooner]

It's basically

When you stun, if the stun lasts X seconds you can do X-1 damaging abilities then the next one needs to be a stun again

[halcyon timber]

Depends on race and classes as well Fex

[chrome schooner]

When you DR Cheap Shot the Hunter you use Eviscerate then Shadowstrike if I'm correct, so 2 spells, on a 2 seconds stun

You can only use one if you don't want a gap

[shell vortex]

i should probably see if i can add 0.s to plater debuffs cause that "1" isn't really helping i think

[halcyon timber]

Ex Orc vs Paladins as well to be mindful of

[chrome schooner]

Dr Cheap (2s) > Eviscerate > DR DR Cheap > There goes your Shadowstrike

Orcs change that rule a bit, but it's a good default rule

[shell vortex]

yeah i think i was trying to ss again the hunter that's why he managed to get a disengage in

[halcyon timber]

Orc 5% and paladins “can” talent into a 10%

[shell vortex]

cause he was almost dead and i got greedy

lol

[chrome schooner]

Exactly

It's very scripted barring Orcs and other cc duration reduction, if you go with Kidney it's Kidney, 4x offensive GCDs, DR Cheap, 1x offensive GCD, DR Cheap, then damage again, a,d if you start with Cheap as your 1st stun then you have 3 damaging globals instead of 4

[halcyon timber]

Not sure why hunter didn’t trap /scatter / roar of sac (unless he didn’t have it)

Exhil etc . Flat out played that bad (didn’t see hunter fight till now. Phone was being lame loading that fight fir whatever reason)

[shell vortex]

yeah i whopped their asses but they were both bad, i mistrinketed against the hunter cause i got greedy

well not "mistrinketed" but could've gone wrong

if i got trapped

[shell vortex]

tyvm

[halcyon timber]

Can time a cloak or step if wanting to avoid that

Can’t evasion scatter anymore (dunno when it was changed . Df maybe)

Cloak doesn’t work to dh stuns either anynore (df change)

[shell vortex]

what about that hunter pet stun? idk what it's called

the one that stunned me :v

[halcyon timber]

Intimidation

No can dodgey

Axe toss is similar from demo (used to be able to dodge it with evasion)

[shell vortex]

kk thanks

[halcyon timber]

Can cloak binding shot

[shell vortex]

yeye that one i know

the one that always fucks me is scatter + trap

should keep trinket for that

[chrome schooner]

you can still, it's just a bit random

[shell vortex]

but i was greeeeeeeeeedy

[halcyon timber]

Good to know, seems hit or miss at times

[shell vortex]

what about hunter's spear?

warr**

the one that goes on the ground

[halcyon timber]

Spear nope

[chrome schooner]

It is very hit or miss because 1) the pet does random moves and 2) the lock has the one pet stun from the pet, but also the pet stun from the 2nd one he can summon once every 2mins

[halcyon timber]

Champions spear can be timed w step

[chrome schooner]

You don't know what he'll use so

Do you face the pet

or the lock

:p

[halcyon timber]

Ha yeah pretty much man

An “it depends” scenario for sure

[shell vortex]

that's a bit ultra instinct at the moment for me

[halcyon timber]

Which keeps things fun

[chrome schooner]

I remember Night Fae'ing out of Spears

Good times

[halcyon timber]

Was sick

[shell vortex]

oh speaking of night fae, i was wondering if shadowstep gets you behind the dh during the hunt and if you can avoid it while he's mid flight

[halcyon timber]

Try to step during the trigger / arming frame if it or you can try to be pulled by it once and immediately step / vanish out if very fast. (Timing)

[halcyon timber]

Can blind / gouge or cloak it

[shell vortex]

i always gouge it yeah

but i was wondering if you can shadowstep it

would be fun

gotta try

[halcyon timber]

“Can” get hit by it still like the evoker deep breath nonsense

[shell vortex]

i see

thanks a lot for all the info that will soon leave my brain

[halcyon timber]

Up to you tbh

[shell vortex]

i'll keep gouging probably

muscle memory

but if i feel spicy i may try the houdini shadowstep

[halcyon timber]

Can bomb / sap them too if they fall out and you time it well

[chrome schooner]

Gouge is the best move vs The Hunt

It's also useful if you're not the target while the other moves are not

So, that's the better reflex

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

[shell vortex]

it's funny cause they use their stealth spotting thingy, they charge the hunt and whoops i get free 5cp and an inc with gouge out of stealth

[halcyon timber]

Those winged rats have very far range on it (>40 yards iirc) so plenty if time to make a decision

[shell vortex]

if they throw glaive then it's another story

[halcyon timber]

Can use distract in many useful ways as well to stop casts and other things (if a target is out of combat) really situational

[shell vortex]

what about that fucking thing that makes them go in the air and shoot fireballs tho? that's demented and i hate it

i always vanish

[halcyon timber]

Rain from above

[analog tapir]

ple help! i rlly wanna learn assa rogue..icyveins isnt the best teacher..where can i find aid `?

[halcyon timber]

Can bomb when you last get struck and “try to stealth” / vanish / cloak as options or los

[shell vortex]

idk if i should just sit it

ohhhh didn't think about bomb

got to 2.4k with rating bought on wish apparently

[halcyon timber]

Ask assassins here for sure. Just depends who is on and can read it at the time

[halcyon timber]

It is % based health each time they pop you too so no mitigation to it for drs

For cover, depends on your terrain and if they can still see you due to their elevation. When they hover lower you can break los / bomb and sap / gouge yadda yadda

[shell vortex]

that's why sometimes i feel it hurts like a motherfucker and i stop sitting it

[halcyon timber]

Yeh i don’t remember if it is 8 or 10% mhp atm

[shell vortex]

i'm speaking of situations where i can't just leave the objective and reset

although i'm not sure if they count as "on the objective" like carts if they're flying

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just try to pre vial a hit to mitigate

It is a “it depends” situation based on their elevation is how i time that crap if i don’t have cover / vanish etc

[shell vortex]

thanks a lot

[halcyon timber]

No sweat man

[shell vortex]

i've been playing rogue for ages but last time i pvp'd with some intent was during tbc on a private server lmao

[halcyon timber]

All that matters is that you have fun and find what you like doing. Screw the rest.

[shell vortex]

i'm having a blast, it's just that i'm not up to date with all the different shit that all classes do now

every class has knocbacks, stuns, slows, walls

i'm all for let's not leave classes unusable, but class identity is meh

[halcyon timber]

Yeah important to read other classes and their kits instead of doing ish like the forums “oh mah gawd wen did X git Y? Its Op???!! Wahhh”

Eh , it opened up more teams and combinations and those classes can gripe less

[shell vortex]

it's understandable honestly, but as i said, i liked it when all classes had their own gimmick and i knew all their spells

now i'm far behind the curve

[halcyon timber]

Yeah times change

[shell vortex]

i'm ancient

[halcyon timber]

Most have been around a long time. Just people like finding continued reasons for “not fairrr” crap no matter what

[agile kite]

brother i just saw you 1v2 a hunter rogue at mines

you are not behind lol

[shell vortex]

i mean it really wasn't a 1v2 and they played like shit but i apreciate

💌

[agile kite]

bros i love 4x grapple so much, i hope they never take it from outlaw

[shell vortex]

i was shitting on outlaw's rng earlier but seeing you guys zoom around the map kinda makes me wanna give it a shot

[indigo hill]

My guess next expansion with the hero talents gone, so will 4 grappling.

[halcyon timber]

They aren’t likely to change that, multiple classes have interactions like that and the others are balanced around their tools as well. It wouldn’t just be a change to us rogues only.

Hero talents aren’t going away. It isn’t “borrowed power” nonsense

It is an ever green feature which will have added talents and such moving forward as they aren’t adding to spec / class trees

[indigo hill]

I know. They're regular talents dressed as something special.

[agile kite]

thats what i thought as well eridian - i thought theyre hear to stay supposedly

[halcyon timber]

It was wise to be safe than do something wild

[stoic spruce]

staying until at least The Last Titan

[indigo hill]

Never let blizzard know you enjoy something. They will take it away.

[halcyon timber]

The trees are to fit all styles of things in your spec tree. They did well to not make it some goofy thing as it would result in our demise

[agile kite]

i love fatebound so much bros...

[halcyon timber]

Fb has some cool stuff yeah

[indigo hill]

I wouldn't have mind a legion artifact type of intro. Get a questline to start training to become which ever hero tree you pick.

[stoic spruce]

makes KS a death sentence lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just depends on what time they have

[stoic spruce]

that was the plan actually

[halcyon timber]

As they are working on 3 expansions

[indigo hill]

Had no idea. That makes it even more disappointing. 😂

[halcyon timber]

He doesn’t know that man lol

[stoic spruce]

they literally said it

[halcyon timber]

Show that please

[stoic spruce]

in their early interviews

[halcyon timber]

I don’t recall that but things do change on the fly as their time constraints are tight

[stoic spruce]

miss borrowed power frfr

[halcyon timber]

Nah

[stoic spruce]

you dont miss the grind

[halcyon timber]

None of it

[stoic spruce]

no one misses the grind

[halcyon timber]

Core > all

[stoic spruce]

nah

still waiting on the borrowed power level of creativity everyone said would happen

with new talents and such

chop chop

[halcyon timber]

Gimmicks aren’t fun or cool to be balanced around. That’s when the dumb class in fighting happens

They aren’t interested in making class hijacking abilities/ talents again as the big man himself told us.

The same with one aspect taking over a class like

[agile kite]

it makes sense if they kept hero talents

add 1 per xpac for each spec

seems managaeable

[halcyon timber]

We are getting 10 more talent points unless they decide differently (on new hero talents tree nodes)

[shell vortex]

idk i still remember when we had to scroll to see all talents

[stoic spruce]

yeah idk where theyre gonna put them tbh. The hero talents could be a bit more fleshed out I bet.

[halcyon timber]

They will and base feedback on the changes. Just have to keep all talents in mind instead of hijacking nonsense

[stoic spruce]

rogue was always the star child with borrowed power

esp in SL

warriors lucked out too ig

having all 4 covs not only just viable but actually good was crazy

along with multiple good legendaries

[halcyon timber]

Was tacky af

[stoic spruce]

was also fun and memorable

people will be talking about it for a long time

speaking of fun and memorable

DF was not that

for its own reasons

the only time it gets mentioned is spec reputation in max level content lol

[halcyon timber]

Subjective assessments to the individual. Limitations set by those precedences do not allow for growth

[stoic spruce]

its not subjective, you can look at the other channels and servers and no one talks about DF

[halcyon timber]

Former legendaries are into trees based on our feedback and yet individuals state it “isn’t enough”

That’s fine. That was the pilot expansion to fix multiple things. I do not subscribe to mass thoughts anyway.

Not every track is going to be a greatest hit. Maturity is needed and understanding that the devs can only do so much.

[stoic spruce]

is this making you feel smart?

[jaunty osprey]

Incase anyone missed and multiclasses here

I made a WA that shows when a rogue on your team has Subterfuge active so you know to prioritize dispels on them or freedoms and whatnot

Or you can send to your healers

https://wago.io/xHx_AMM41

we must make sure everyone in the game has it

so we can play the game

[undone kettle]

What helm enchant are we rocking for ass PVP?

[languid ravine]

won a Deepwind Gorge after like a 400 points handicap, isnt blitz fun guys?

now a sharp observer may be asking, how did you even manage to get 400 points less than the enemy team in the start?

dont sweat it

you dont want to know

[verbal field]

Greater rune of gushing wound most likely

[undone kettle]

Hell yea good

[agile kite]

i need some outlaw blitz GODS for some advice or to make a 1 hour video telling me rotation and what to do on every map - ty

OR if its possible to just not take ghostly strikes because im lazy

[jaunty osprey]

You can macro Ghostly Strikes into all of your abilities

Doesn’t matter

See, they do it in PVE

[languid ravine]

put it on BtE and Killing Spree, done

[verbal field]

my third afk healer today I like my pvp with a little extra challenge

[shell vortex]

honest reaction

[stoic spruce]

Trying to decipher what that says

I can do it

[shell vortex]

as a fellow pizza mafia mandolino enjoyer

let me try this way

[stoic spruce]

It's okay, take your time

[shell vortex]

there

[stoic spruce]

Porcodio

[shell vortex]

that's what we say in our country

when 3 healers go afk

[stoic spruce]

You just made that up

[verbal field]

porcodio!!!

[shell vortex]

i can assure you i did not

[stoic spruce]

Porcodio!!!

I like it

Can I adopt it

[shell vortex]

all yours

[verbal field]

sono un vero italiano

[shell vortex]

there's a guy in italy that became famous cause he went on a reality show abroad, i think in slovenia? not sure? and he was saying only curse words in italian

and then the show's hosts started saying them aswell

absolute cinema

[verbal field]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[shell vortex]

it was hungary actually

i don't know how to put it, but imagine that somehow none speaks english in italy, an english guy comes to take part into our big brother reality show, and he goes by for 100 days calling everyone "cunt" "bitch" "shitface" and answering "fuck off" to every question

that's basically what happened

it was absolutely glorious

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-raccoon-raccoon-in-a-circle-silly-raccooon-dancing-raccoon-gif-402674747635664052

[shell vortex]

then when he came out of the house, the hosts greeted hime like "OOOHHH FUCK OFF YOU SHITFACE"

totally oblivious

10/10

[languid ravine]

oh its friday, is that why blitz is shit today?

because it is one of the 7 week days

[shell vortex]

i'd tell you if i could fucking play

[spring bough]

that my que everytime now.... its so cringe lol

[shell vortex]

worst i've got was 1.5h i think

[spring bough]

cant que for anything else group related sitting in a blitz que is such a buzz kill too

[shell vortex]

thank god i was doing something else in the background

they should make it so that you don't get fucking taken out of queue if you afk for 5 mins aswell

cause i'm working on another screen and forget to move my character

[turbid cosmos]

what abilities does shiv remove?

[wintry dew]

enrages

not why it is used tho

[exotic dove]

Its more of for me why play Assa when I can play Sub and feel so much more rewarded for my efforts. And Smokebombing as Sub is way more impactful than Assa and I can get trinkets defenses or actually land a kill. I doubt its cause Sub is easier to play either because Sub has always been harder to master and I doubt taht has changed

Once I recover Im going to do a hard push as Sub Im really enjoying it

[abstract stratus]

assa CAN feel really good with proper bleed management and aggression but if you fall behind in tempo you fall WAY behind unless you're ivanrah.

speaking of does anyone use tricks on sin successfully in shuffle? tricks is easy wins on sub but i have yet to use it on sin

[jaunty osprey]

better to use hemotoxin

in shuffle if you dont need dismantle

and just assume your teammates suck

and wont do good dam

also because blackjack is really good for sin

since damp happens so fast in shuffle

imagine wound/hemotoxin and blackjack from blind during damp

[abstract stratus]

yea thats typically what i run i was just sitting here theorizing. had a turbo burst game with me on a sub rogue, frost dk, arcane mage, and marks hunter at 2kmmr the rounds lasted about 35 seconds at the longest lol 5/1d it tho

the 1 loss was totally my bad i fat fingered buttons because im stupid

[errant river]

just got my first 2100 after not pvping since legion

😄 lets goooo

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/housewarming-housewarming-party-crowd-surfing-party-time-house-party-gif-12873048

[errant river]

I did it on sin in solo, maybe I should regrind up on sub

[long shore]

hey guys, can crafted gear from last season still be re-used this season in S2?

so i shouldnt sell them?

[glass hazel]

Just recraft it

Sockets etc will transfer as well

Same will be for s3

[verbal field]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

sockets do not transfer

[glass hazel]

i recraft s1 rings with gems

recrafted*

[potent pivot]

you can recraft them into s2 ilvl gear, but it will lose sockets and stuff either way

[glass hazel]

maybe they changed smth this season?

[potent pivot]

yeah, when? week 1 day 1 of the season?

it was hotfixed

[glass hazel]

aa

[potent pivot]

on like day 2

[glass hazel]

lol

so i did it in time i suppose

[potent pivot]

[glass hazel]

well that suck means need to grind sockets with gems again for s3

[long shore]

ahhh got it. so keep every single Algari piece.

i just lose sockets and thats it right?

[potent pivot]

yea but if you only ran 2 set last season you won't need as many crafted pieces because we're using 4 set this season

there isn't much difference in making new items compared to recrafting s1 items

doesn't really matter either way

[long shore]

Ah okay got it. Let me get started on crafting.

For gear wise I can refer to murlok.io ?

[potent pivot]

mhm

[spring bough]

How the ques today

[warped gate]

Finally hit 1800, bois! After starting late last month and gearing up in greens while everyone is already geared, it felt like I was bashing my head against a wall for a while. Feels good to finally hit this achievement for a set of gear that I most assuredly will never wear.

(The original gear looks better, tbh.)

[languid ravine]

nice one, "never going to wear them anyways" is the same reason I get 1800 on every class

on some classes you are "never going to see them anyways" too like druid and evoker

[shell vortex]

or any class as a dracthyr really

shit design

is there a way to see my winrate on specific battlegrounds? cause i'm pretty sure my kotmogu winrate is like 20%

[spring bough]

Hell yeah elite next

[stoic spruce]

I think you mean

"Hell yeah, new game next"

[verbal field]

'Im afk now cause I got nuked 2 times and its pointless' mio dio how to handle these people

[halcyon timber]

Reflex addon iirc and some other stuff like armory

[spring bough]

2633 blitz

running up the numbers yall

[spring bough]

do i make my alt spec on my kul tiran as sin or sub

finally got all the masterry gear and the daggers to do it idk which one is more fun rn tho

[spring bough]

guess the sett does work for both lmao

not having meld for sin tho kinda ass lol

just solo'd 2 fury wars in a skirmish as sub... gonna stick with that for now LOL

[turbid cosmos]

what do uspend conquest on after ur fuilly geared

[halcyon timber]

Gear to sell to vendor after it times out. Disenchant mats / potions / etc to sell on ah

[spring bough]

Go sub and delete warriors

[halcyon timber]

“No can press button, me no happy stabby smoke man!”

[spring bough]

I didn’t even stun them. I stood in the middle of them. Evasion then cloaked and nuked one so fast 😂

[halcyon timber]

Wut dr? Me no trinket or think - warr jackass

[spring bough]

I straight up brawled them and they got fucked lol

[halcyon timber]

Just a monkey wearing a trash can for armor using a tree branch for a weapon

Not a single rational thought to stop cds or think

[spring bough]

why cant alliance win random pvp ques at all lol

horde dominate it feels like

bout to become a mercenary

[warped gate]

Hold onto it forever and ever for the sunk cost fallacy that maybe one day you’ll level an alt.

[spring bough]

first random as a mercenary is a win... yeah ima stick to this lol

[warped gate]

I’ve been called such hateful slurs and insults trying to squeeze the blood of 1800 out of the rock that is my skill level; I don’t think that is happening.

[gritty charm]

Is rogue fun in pvp?

I'm mainning outlaw in M+ and Mythic raids and having a lot of fun

never played pvp before

New to wow

also what specs do u guys suggest for it?

[halcyon timber]

Rogue is definitely fun, its just the class with the most finesse which can create a steep learning curve. All of the specs are good so choose what you want to do.

[gritty charm]

cool thanks

[halcyon timber]

No sweat

[gritty charm]

How does Sub & Outlaw differ?

I mean thats kinda a broad question xd

[halcyon timber]

Im no Outlaw and would rather one of them to answer that honestly and steer you in a mature comparison.

[gritty charm]

Thats fair thanks! I'll look up some yt vids as well

[halcyon timber]

Both specs focus in control and making hard situations for the enemy team.

Us Subtlety emphasize on hard hitting windows while Outlaws are more consistent but can be rng on their impact but the Outlaws here definitely do well and can steer you correctly

[gritty charm]

Honestly can't imagine how outlaw would be in Pvp, with all the buffs and keep it rolling and such

Sub seems a better fit

Or maybe its a different build

[halcyon timber]

The guys report RTB doesn’t feel like an issue

Its all your personal playstyle. All specs can be effective.

[spring bough]

Yeah that’s pvp chat for yah lol

[halcyon timber]

Yeah always is some nonsense going on heh

[warped gate]

You don’t use Keep it Rolling in PvP, unless you’re just trying to have fun.

Roll the Bones though, even if you get whammy rolls, you still get Supercharger out of the deal.

[halcyon timber]

Dunno about that, some guys have

In here

[warped gate]

Yeah, me too. It was fun, but everyone advised me against it and I totally saw why. Last week I swapped back to a regular build and things went so much better.

[halcyon timber]

HO is a lot more fun to me

[shell vortex]

I'll have to check reflex when I get back home, I don't remember it being a function but I guess I could just do the math on my own

[halcyon timber]

When i was playing that style

[warped gate]

I liked trying to get those ideal sets of buffs and hitting KiR, but it felt so bad when you get the perfect set of buffs, hit KiR, target doesn’t die, and now I’m just a regular RtB Rogue and I’m like damn, when can KiR come back out to play.

[halcyon timber]

Fat ambush style def felt a lot more fun. I gravitate to stuff like that regardless though. Not a fan of “only finishers” propaganda

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i don’t know precisely but yeah a little division and easy fix. Def like EotS except when people are mid monkeys and don’t utilize any awareness

[warped gate]

Yeah, I feel you. I appreciated the shift to KiR at first, but after being Ambush-less and coming back to it, I like it so much more.

Although when I hit that Jesus-roll, the muscle memory of KiR still kicks in.

[halcyon timber]

The main man said play what you want. Im not interested in hivemind mentality anyway

[potent pivot]

Basically the same differences as they have in pve, but a bit more extreme

Outlaw is fast paced and focuses on reactionary gameplay loop around its CDR etc

Sub is kinda fast->slow->fast->slow

Can practically afk between burst windows besides farming Dance CDR

Outlaw just feels kinda ass in PvP because they gave its CDR a flat 20% nerf, but if you’re new to it you may not notice it as much

[glass hazel]

and only assa will jump around like monkey trying to dot everything yet doing same damage like any other class in one target

[halcyon timber]

Lol

[jaunty osprey]

for bgb? sub!

[languid ravine]

nothing is more fun than playing Warrior and your Bladestorm is bugged/unusable thanks blizzturd

so googling this apparently this bug exists since 9 months ago with hero talents

amazing

[agile kite]

any tips for outlaw

i full switched my sub gear to outlaw to learn it

i do 0 damage right now but its fun

also do you ever 4x grapple or do you always try to keep 1 just in case

[stoic spruce]

4x grapple is a bit of a niche ability

As obj in battlegrounds it's awesome but say in arena, 4 is overkill

[stoic spruce]

You don't play outlaw for damage

It's just nice when it does do damage

[agile kite]

i only play it in blitz

:3

[stoic spruce]

Ew

Then yeah

Stay in stealth as much as possible

To keep adr

Really not much to it

5+ in subterfuge, 6/7 out

Rtb on cooldown

[agile kite]

@stoic spruce RTB on cd?

really?

i thought i was gonna have to track it

[agile kite]

also what does this mean

sorry im very new - started outlaw yesterday

im 2.1 on sub but wanted more cc, mobility and am cool with less damage

[stoic spruce]

Combo points

[stoic spruce]

Unless you get a 5 buff

[agile kite]

@stoic spruce im confused on the point comment - are you saying use finishers with 5+ in sub and wait until 6/7 when out

also ty

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[agile kite]

ty friend, that sounds easier than i thought then

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's easy to play

Mastering it is harr though

[agile kite]

do you use any addosn to let you know how many buffs you have?

[stoic spruce]

Just the normal rtb weakaura

[agile kite]

ok based ill grab it - is the mastering hard part just knowing how to play well with buffs / apm?

[stoic spruce]

Kinda

With the cdr nerf, every global matters and when so knowing what global when is important

[agile kite]

in blitz it feels like an even more objective focused version of sub

which seems so sick

[glass hazel]

If you dc -150 cr or mmr as well?

Was winning and about to get duelist but blackout said hello now I'm at 1.9 bracket again

[agile kite]

i heard its just cr

[glass hazel]

If just cr not that bad can get it fast enough

[jaunty osprey]

yeah just CR

unless you've already lost rounds

like if you're 0-3 and dc

you also lose some mmr in addition to -150 CR

[glass hazel]

I was like 3 or 4 wins

So should be just cr I think

Thanks

[languid ravine]

its so dumb that you can just leave and it basically doesnt matter

CR is gonna catch up anyways

to your old mmr

[jolly sierra]

was worse back in the day

as u didnt lose any CR

i had a shithead which i met which just left everytime he had lost the 1st round

[dark kernel]

Leaving games does hurt your MMR now

[gritty charm]

Does gearing take long for pvp?

[jolly sierra]

no

u just do WQs in pvp with WM on and get a nice purple gear

the remaining its just from epic BGs + honor flask

[potent pivot]

can just join a war supply crate farm and fly around getting crates

can get full geared in a day

[spring bough]

I like trickster HO for PvP usually. Can do KIR too. Just chasing those 5 buff rolls as HO and smashing buttons

[shell vortex]

not so far off tbh

fucking hate that shit

[halcyon timber]

Right on man, take the wins where you can. All a team mate deal, cannot do everything on your own regardless of the bracket

[shell vortex]

not that i would be able to carry a team tbh, but i have no idea on how to do well on that bg

mostly i try to snipe enemy orb carryiers

[halcyon timber]

Oh kotmogu? Yeah i end up snagging orbs a lot and eots i am attacking bases and looking for opportunities to make revives difficult

Not a fan of kotmogu honestly

[shell vortex]

can't stealth or vanish with orbs

[halcyon timber]

Yeah in kot

[shell vortex]

sucks

hate that shit

hope it burns in hell

[halcyon timber]

I end up just having to los and crap since ranged cba to grab orbs

[shell vortex]

hope it gets the strand of the ancients treatment

[halcyon timber]

I didn’t mind strand back in the day but yeah

[shell vortex]

no me neither

can't believe it got nuked and we have this shit in the game

[halcyon timber]

Would rather hop in seething shore than kotmogu

Wish they would fix the cheese where people can pop you from their airship

[shell vortex]

also why the fuck do they ask me to pick the first orb, i can juke a couple of times with a shadowstep and that's it?

i'm probably missing something here

but i'd rather go kill theirs?

[halcyon timber]

Fuck em tbh

I just read the field man.

[shell vortex]

guess which side i'm on

that's it for today

[spring bough]

hows world pvp today

[shell vortex]

yep

[spring bough]

45 second que pop on a blitz..... damn must be a lot of gamers out here tonight

+24 rating sitting at 2657 and need 5 wins for strategist... GAMING

EOTS just now and me n bally druid capped FR off the hunter too ez lol

[languid ravine]

balance druid are completely busted, idc what anyone says

[spring bough]

the druid wrecked the hunt with CC while i bomb capped the flag lol\

then we demolishd the hunt in like 10 seconds after that

[halcyon timber]

“When did rogues get cyclone” - jackass hunter probably

[spring bough]

i gotta say i still love outlaw CDR. idk what id play if they removed it completely lol

restless blades still GOAT even after nerf

[stoic spruce]

A little birdy told me it's becoming an active ability soon

[spring bough]

that sounds gross

i hope ur dead wrong

[halcyon timber]

Dunno leave it up to hivemind and it would

[stoic spruce]

I'm also lying

Restless Blades but only during subterfuge

Yknow

Now that I think about it

[gleaming sentinel]

[stoic spruce]

RB being an active ability would increase the skill floor. I wish we had dev servers because now I kinda want to try it out.

Let me rephrase

I wish I had access to dev servers

[spring bough]

u would end up like ryu

[halcyon timber]

Source is his ass xD

[stoic spruce]

Wdym?

Well yeah

I lied

Goober

Ryus problem was he said questionable things

I still want to try feint trickster

I'll never forget

I have to see with my hands

It's why I'm not allowed at museums anymore

:(

[halcyon timber]

I did kinda like it on alpha as it was deterministic building

[stoic spruce]

Alpha?

https://tenor.com/view/haechan-127hivemind-alpha-wolf-nct-nct-haechan-gif-26541424

[halcyon timber]

Yeh on alpha testing

[halcyon timber]

Lol the fuck is this?

[stoic spruce]

My alpha wolf era

🎶 Baby I'm preying on you tonight 🎶

Anyways

I want alpha all the time for every expansion

I don't trust pve channels

They're weird

Excuse me

I don't trust #outlaw

Realz should dm me and ForeverGuy for outlaw changes

And only us

[spring bough]

4 more wins for strategist... 2680 another +23

[stoic spruce]

Yall

[stoic spruce]

Eri doesn't negotiate with terrorists

[halcyon timber]

There we go. Dang gif didn’t load xD

[stoic spruce]

Dude

I'd so cook

I'd buy me a chef hat and everything

Black apron

The white washcloth

In the apron pocket

[halcyon timber]

Its a team decision, he doesn’t make decisions alone.

[stoic spruce]

Who's he

[spring bough]

blitz ques taking less than 5min on avg rn

[stoic spruce]

Not buying it

Let me rephrase

I am buying it

However

Not fast enough

[stoic spruce]

I need an answer

RAHHH

Realz?

That was a passing statement

[halcyon timber]

Yeap

The devs as a whole make decisions

[stoic spruce]

Yes

But only realz is here

And he should only talk to me and Guy

Except for bugs

Idc about that

Me cooking is irrelevant to realz anyway

Like watch this

Too sleepy

But you get the idea

I wish I was a rollie pollie

I sometimes think "what of everyone gets 1 wish in their life for anything ever but they ALWAYS blow on something stupid."

For instance

"Man I wish I didn't have to go to meeting"

And poof

[spring bough]

cyberpunks if u in here sorry for this silvershard mines blitz lol

[stoic spruce]

Cyberpunks if you're in here

Git gud

Ecks dee

[stoic spruce]

I love being the opposite side of your coin

[spring bough]

3 more wins for strategist

8-1 on the week GG

50 more rating and im top 10 XD

[stoic spruce]

You're a solo queue main

I wouldn't touch solo queue with a ten foot pole

You're positive

I play tanks to make others in-game mad.

You like crackshot...

[spring bough]

when i can do shit like 19 / 20 BTEs crit during crackshot then yeah i love it lmao

outlaw cranks idc what anyone says lol

[stoic spruce]

It do

[spring bough]

you should solo que outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Yall hear something?

[spring bough]

see whose the better blitzer XD

[stoic spruce]

You

I wear my 0cr like a badge of honor

I'm telling you dood

I'm the opposite side of your coin

[spring bough]

ques not even taking 5min tonight what is going on is pvp revived XD

[stoic spruce]

It do be Saturday night

And its hot outside

[stoic spruce]

Okay

But

ONLY if I can queue with my pocket healer

Actually nvm

Nit playing bg with outlaw evert

[spring bough]

ima make a new rogue so i play against u when u que up

[stoic spruce]

Do it

That'd be cool

[spring bough]

2729 add another +23 win lol

2 more wins to go boys

just had Petkick seen that DKs name a bunch lol

[dark kernel]

He has the mental illness

[spring bough]

he was healing on his monk risingsunkek lol

[stoic spruce]

Van

Look at Outlaw Mallet

And look at the lowest performing build

[spring bough]

ill look now. sorry was busy dominating

1 win to go

outlaw s tier >>>>>

[spring bough]

the aoe trickster one with vigor? Looks disgusting

or u talking the fatebound stealthless one which also looks gross

[stoic spruce]

I just wanted you to see

They're funny

Also

[spring bough]

why do top builds on there take loaded dice now

wtf?

[stoic spruce]

Might not be updated

[spring bough]

hold up bout to run some sims wtf is that lol

[stoic spruce]

Also

I know outlaw currently doesn't have the space for it atm but it's pretty unfair how both assa and sub have more freedom in the class tree than outlaw

Though I guess having a terribad mastery holds back tea builds

And Cold Blood being quite useless for us

[spring bough]

imagine a world where outlaw could just stand and bang and not have vanish in the rotation

[stoic spruce]

Fr

Peak outlaw imo

[spring bough]

give me back my 20 second evasion CD and my 100% feint uptime

[stoic spruce]

I don't mind vanish but I do have a preference

And its to not

Lol

[stoic spruce]

For REAL girly 💅

[spring bough]

would go so hard with elusiveness and the new feint pvp talent

we would be unkillable

[stoic spruce]

I'm just saying if assa and sub can talent out of double vanish, why can't outlaw?

Doesn't seem fair to meeeee

@potent pivot thoughts?

[spring bough]

what is stopping u

just go 1 vanish fk it we gott CDR

[stoic spruce]

Ah yes

With the one BTE lol

Damage is stopping me

[spring bough]

well cant give up subterfuge but

SC could give up for vigor

[stoic spruce]

But the point is 1 vanish

Goober

[spring bough]

might go hard

[stoic spruce]

Funny man

[spring bough]

dead ass that as KIR ud like it

[stoic spruce]

You'd run out of adr so fast though

Bro

Remember when we

Had to think about energy?

Energy management

That's what I was looking for

I think I said this the other day

Either infinite energy or none at all

This sounds familiar

[stoic spruce]

I played a stealthless HO build against a training dummy and it was low-key fun

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce 2min on the pvp dummy with this as KIR

[stoic spruce]

Also

[spring bough]

become a dispatch king

[stoic spruce]

Another hot take from Popo

But

I don't play Ace in melee cleaves

[spring bough]

youre wrong for that

[stoic spruce]

I let BF do all the work

I get the fluidity of CTO

And the ST of GS/KS

[spring bough]

gross. i stopped using deft went full ST for shuff lol

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I only do it in melee cleaves

Absolutely trolling against caster comps

[stoic spruce]

Only time I get kills anyway tbh

[spring bough]

i might make a gnome rogue

so i can get out of mage CC

[stoic spruce]

Been thinking about that lately

[spring bough]

does the gnome racial proc the pvp trinket CD?

[stoic spruce]

But my ghostly pirate mogs on my undead are tuff

I think so

[spring bough]

its only 1min CD on escape too

not bad at all

[stoic spruce]

If it does its probably 30 seconds

[spring bough]

figured either 30 or 15

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[spring bough]

prob def still worth it

ill cringe play a gnome for no slows

[stoic spruce]

Honestly it doesn't bother me at all

When I use WOTF

[spring bough]

thisll be my first gnome

[stoic spruce]

Because I'm smart enough to know when I'll need trinket

[spring bough]

in 20+ years of wow

[stoic spruce]

A fellow old head??

[spring bough]

big brain thoughts

[spring bough]

brotherr u know this. rogue since beta of vanilla back in what 03 or 04 lol

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah I remember now

Undead rogue since 04

No meta can shake me

[spring bough]

why do i see so many qiraji battle tanks lately? can u still get it on new servers? Lol

[stoic spruce]

SL peak rogue

I say it with seniority

Against the noobs (people who played since tbc)

[gilded gulch]

Depends which SL season

[stoic spruce]

Outside of numbers

I should've said

Design wise

[gilded gulch]

because s1 was awful with comdemn warriors

[stoic spruce]

I played my dk more that season

[gilded gulch]

yeah cant say i was thrilled

queueing into orc sephuz condemn arms warrior

[stoic spruce]

2, 3, and 4 I played a lot more outlaw

I played celerity in pvp which probably didn't help

Was always an ok leggo.

Nothing special

[gilded gulch]

s2 was usually more venthyr blunderbuss

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[gilded gulch]

continuing into 3

[stoic spruce]

My fave

[gilded gulch]

where you could play that or

[stoic spruce]

Venth gsw

[gilded gulch]

kyrian dust

which most people fucking sucked at

[stoic spruce]

Is what I played for the rest of the expac

[gilded gulch]

fyi

[stoic spruce]

Dude

That fuckin build

Idk why people liked it

[gilded gulch]

i won so many outlaw healer mirrors off damage

because guy didnt do damage

[stoic spruce]

ER was so unfun

[gilded gulch]

because you had evasion like every 30

i messed around with both gsw

and blunder

and mfd/ds builds

kyrian dust the main issue was, most people didnt know how to pve people down as outlaw

its way more evident than in venthyr builds

[stoic spruce]

I shouldn't have won against all those kyrian outlaws

As venth

And gsw

[gilded gulch]

like frankly

it should do equal if not more damage with more utility

if you dont whiff builders

every other

[stoic spruce]

That ego inflation everytime I won a mirror comp

It probably did irreparable damage to me tbh

I'm a sore winner

[gilded gulch]

Do you know how many rage dms i got

when i killed rdruids in opener then typed "?" in /s

[spring bough]

okay boys im retired for the season

[stoic spruce]

Sick

[spring bough]

11-2 on the week GG no rating lost

[stoic spruce]

No such thing as too many rage dms

[gilded gulch]

bfa it was real bad

esp with those damage proc pants

[stoic spruce]

My inner >:) when I play rogue is wild

I forgot about those pants

Oh god the pve trinkets

[gilded gulch]

i got a weird kick when playing warrior and just

not letting warlocks cast

ever

[spring bough]

time to level a gnome rogue

his name lilrogue

[stoic spruce]

Razdunks Big Red Button trinket 🤤

Even when they nerfed it, it was still super strong

[gilded gulch]

im like

pretty sure people just played the bike

because it was funny watching a wheel crash into someone

[stoic spruce]

I was never lucky enough for the bike

But launching a tiny missle was cool too

Was ground targeted as well

So yknow, timing it was important

Malediction was good too. Not as fun though.

[dark kernel]

0-6 start my first night back

thats a kick in the dick

[stoic spruce]

0-6s feel better if you play a bad build

Js

[errant river]

does sub care about rupture

when would i rupture over evis/st?

[halcyon timber]

It is good to keep up yes. Don’t use it in dance. Helps eat shields and deals with durable classes.

[halcyon timber]

Grats man. That’s sick

[spring bough]

thanks boss. somehow still at a 60% win rate too. 55-36 for the season. idt ima play again lol

[halcyon timber]

I hear you. I haven’t been able to play all season. Def look forward to getting back soon though. I got real busy last season so didn’t get to finish my wins but can do it again this season.

[dark kernel]

i semi-recovered after. I dunno going 0-6 sucks, but it feels worse when there's another rogue in the lobby

like I dont mind losing just NOT to other rogues

[agile kite]

Day 1 of outlaw

My hands hurts 😦

[agile kite]

Wow and you pumped

[stoic spruce]

Do hand stretches

[stoic spruce]

Real

Only one rogue can come out on top

Second place is first place for losers

I can't believe Trickz never responded to me

[spring bough]

outlaw is S tier dmg

[wintry dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp4UG4zGorM maybe poggers video???