pvp

[chrome schooner]

When the only real win condition is basically dampening (even if you have to CC) unless opponents mess up, it's not VERY fun

[sick wasp]

well RLD/S/P(you name the healer) was always rot set up to begging with

ive never played it to r1 range though,ngl

im not a r1 rogue

best i did with rls was like 2450ish

it did feel boring to me

prefer Sub RMP

[indigo hill]

How's outlaw doing this season anyway? Get the feeling only sub is doing well.

[potent pivot]

Seems to be barely hanging on to viability from most people’s experience this season

[jaunty osprey]

Outlaw needs big buffs 😦

[potent pivot]

I think the top end players that have been playing it for years can still do fine on outlaw

But like

Why work that much harder

[jaunty osprey]

Or need to make it so that the everyday person can play it viably

instead of just tourney players

[potent pivot]

Yeah

The restless blades nerf when dps was already mediocre

Was just bad

[jaunty osprey]

Assa Rogue really needs Dance back lol

Remove double vanish, give us 1 min CD dance

[jaunty osprey]

Yep. And now people are complaining that gushing does 4-5% for Outlaw rogues

I’m like ya, if an Outlaw does

300k dps

ofc gushing does that much more for them

compared to other classes

who do 1M dps

[potent pivot]

Too many players don’t realize how percentages work

[jaunty osprey]

Ya 😭

Also I’m tempted to just always plays Twilight Dev

Teammates can’t see your beam

And CC breaks is broken on details

😈

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

I would like to feel like I’m dangerous when someone is in a stun

Prob clothies are the only ones I feel like I could full kidney, smoke bomb, and potentially kill in all that. Any other class prob not

Also feels like my teammates are always dying. Can we get an outlaw intervene? Let me take their dmg and ima hit feint, evasion, cloak and then vanish and be back to 100%

[lilac wedge]

any idea what the best head enchant is for outlaw and sub?

ive been seeing void ritual for sub and the bleed one for outlaw

[jaunty osprey]

Gushing Wound 🙂

For Outlaw

For Sub, it doesn’t matter - Void Ritual is so omega nerfed, it’s laughable

[lilac wedge]

so might as well get gushing for both then i think

i see some subs running it

[agile kite]

hit 1800 on sub in blitz, my mmr is 2.1 - i want to hit 2.1 cr this season

any overall tips for sub in blitz

i fucking HATE sitting

but ive done it if a hunter / lock / ret refuses

do you guys always go over in the new bg

[jaunty osprey]

I hate it as well, but it’s just the role you have to play

🥲

[dark kernel]

Do what you want. Become ungoverned

[indigo hill]

I quit outlaw this season. I was sweating try hard trying to win.

What do all think the most stable/viable spec is for arenas and blitz? The one that usually seems most viable over the seasons.

[gleaming sentinel]

Assa / sub at least use the same gear set and either are good almost always tbh

[indigo hill]

I meant from all classes. My bad, I wasn't clear on that.

[potent pivot]

you're gonna struggle getting a real answer for that

balance is always different

there's usually good mage specs, rogue specs, etc

classes that have 3 dps specs tend to have something viable more often than not

[indigo hill]

That's pretty much the type of answer I'm looking for. I mostly play outlaw and sv hunter. Usually decent but no ones favorite.

[safe pelican]

Carpal tunnel Mafia aka Outlaw Rogue

[gleaming sentinel]

i kinda cant get over how there are only 8 outlaw above 2400 in shuffle atm.

[agile kite]

outlaw has this class fantasy of being RNG coin flip class

but it's just this nerd spec you have to be good at it

meanwhile rng has random 1 shots

[halcyon timber]

Slot machine grenade

Its like paying yojimbo in ffx. Could be nasty or could do crap like his dog attack regardless of how much money you gave him

[warped gate]

[warped gate]

It is wild, even if it's not that strong, figured a gambling archetype would be more popular.

People really don't fuck with pirates like that.

NGL, Ninjas > Pirates tho

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw has pirates but isn’t “only” a pirate though. Defias are sick af.

[potent pivot]

Outlaw could be an entire class

Swashbuckler spec, bandit/outlaw spec, pistolero spec

[halcyon timber]

Sometimes seems like a lot of gw2 pistol thief stuff

[dark kernel]

Spellslinger flashbacks from Wildstar

[gleaming sentinel]

High apm ninja pirate is a sweet fantasy

[waxen meteor]

I mean I don't even mean 'clean' restealth, i cannot stealth after standing behind the pillar for like 12 seconds.. or maybe i just couldn't count seconds..

[waxen meteor]

lol i normally just sign myself up for stealing bases no matter what

I rarely do sitting

1on1 offense is way more fun

[spring bough]

keys or pvp today that is the question

[halcyon timber]

Always pvp

[potent pivot]

yeah just telling you why it happens

[severe helm]

warrior

but also rogue honestly

its almost always in meta

[stoic spruce]

2s pvp

[dark kernel]

2s actually sounds fun rn

Wish double dps was a thing still

[stoic spruce]

Its very fun

And you get 30 second queues

So you can play now and not in 30 minutes when you don't want to anymore

[dark kernel]

I just forget about the damp changes

Isn't 2s 40% start now? Last time I played games were like 12 minutes a pop

And outlaw is still....well haha

[stoic spruce]

Idr

Outlaw is fine in 2s

[hidden moth]

gushing wound or fel dev for blitz

[potent pivot]

@dark kernel bruh

[wanton breach]

[stoic spruce]

I don't think that answered his question either

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw players arent doin ok

[dark kernel]

What?

[stoic spruce]

Fym what?

[dark kernel]

What did I miss

[stoic spruce]

The deletion of your gay sex gif

[jolly sierra]

lit

[dark kernel]

Lol what the fuck lmfao

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I saved it

[jolly sierra]

wtf why

[stoic spruce]

Obv I'm sending that to bro saying "us"

May send that to the group chat idk yet

[dark kernel]

Was it the black guy telling prison stories?

[stoic spruce]

No

[dark kernel]

I'm being real, I save a lot of smut but I don't have anything like that on my phone? I've been out all day

I wonder if somehow it pocket opens something

Oh I know what it is

It's the Chinese guys in a butt fuck circle

Dude my phone must have posted that on accident That's saved to my favorites

Sorry, that's for the guild

I got lots of good stuff

[stoic spruce]

I think someone in this server owed me a shark attack video

[dark kernel]

Dank

I love sharks

[potent pivot]

Broadside?

[stoic spruce]

Perjaps

It's was Acherus

[proper heath]

anyone got damage numbers for Greater gushing wound?

In an arena game

that vs void ritual.

[potent pivot]

just run gushing or twilight

void ritual/echoing void are both bad

[warped gate]

o shit o shit im about to die, lemme use trinket early and FUCK i gotta cloak too and grapple away, hes gap closing i gotta— wait, the round is over? Wait, we won?!

Hunters are nightmare fuel.

[vocal surge]

do it in a different language lol

[waxen meteor]

the hell is going on today

blitz - 35 mins queue

solo - 30 mins queue

and healer quit

[sharp sierra]

oh good i've finally found an emotional support group for my assa rogue

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

trying to make a crit build for single-target burst viable in pvp

any tips on how to kms

[potent pivot]

crit is just not good enough in pvp realistically to try stacking it

a little bit can be okay for combo point generation, but actual crit damage is nerfed to x1.75 instead of x2 in pvp

[sharp sierra]

i can get x1.95 on cp generators then w/ 2/2 Lethality? Honestly, x1.75 isn't that bad, I thought it was x1.50. I'm sitting at 40% crit 50% mastery 7% haste and 11% vers roughly. The problem I have is that all our direct damage attacks suck, unless I'm missing something? Bleeds crit, so at least that's something but Ambush, Mutilate and Envenom suck?

I mean I could throw some mastery into vers just to boost direct damage attacks but.. the numbers just seem laughable?

[verbal field]

so I had a sub rogue the other day in arena with his very first message 'dude Im a r1'
then I checked him on checkpvp and he was 2400 in bfa, is this still considered as r1? cause I heard like having 2400 some xpac's ago has nothing to say about the skill in the current season

[hollow carbon]

2400 in bfa wasn't even r1

• you are right, no one cares about exp years ago

[verbal field]

was also my question yea haha

why even have to say that, like just play the game

[hollow carbon]

exactly

[potent pivot]

Naw you’re right I was falling asleep n forgot

[sharp sierra]

Oh my god

It's worse than I feared

Deathmark yolo

[potent pivot]

Lethality on assa is also kinda ehh

Builders just tickle these days

[tight hill]

assa would feel so good with a proper execute

[glass hazel]

Newbie question, does dk absorb poisons? Afaik they can absorb/immune magic

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[glass hazel]

Rip that's why it feels like zero damage

[azure shoal]

How is sub rogue in pvp now

Comparing ww vs sub who is better in general now?

[hollow carbon]

@azure shoal average joe: WW

[dark kernel]

People who bring up their rank to people in random instances are 100% washed

[gleaming sentinel]

My tbc glad mount feels like me wearing my hs letterman’s jacket at 37 years old.

[dark kernel]

I don't even have my TBC glad, but my real life friends have the one I got them lol

[verbal field]

I see

[verbal field]

good memories right?

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-blunts-dave-blunt-the-cup-i-cant-put-down-the-cup-dave-blunt-falling-gif-2271291953981182253

[stoic spruce]

Don't

[gusty hedge]

been having fun with outlaw ngl,(non rated cuz fuck that stress atm) glad to be able to hook on most things again even tho i gotta play like my life is on the line all the time,
gushing wound seems ok tentacle appendage does more damage that i thought( i like this one) Twilight devastation is pretty good when u hit(atleast 3 of my rogues have it) echoing void is meh, and infinite stars i couldnt track on details so idk what the damage is, but i see the stars flying 😂

[strange grail]

Happy Friday all, should I be saving death mark for after I’ve gotten a block/bubble? Sometimes depending on player panic I’ve been able to just burst but I’m in low elo (1700) so I figure I need to really use my big cds at best times consistently to climb

[dark kernel]

There's no set in stone way to go about it. But it's not a bad idea.

Sometimes when I played Sin and I had DoTs rolling on everyone and their all bleeding out, I'll run at the healer to babysit him for a kick

Makes them sweat a bit, get a defensive, then blind then after and deathmark

[strange grail]

Appreciate the advice. Shiv has a low cooldown that normally can use when trying to apply pressure or dps is lining the healer I’ll use it then too. But death marks CD is something I feel like I need to get the MOST value as possible from it

[dark kernel]

I've seen death mark used a ton of ways by different people.

Like I saw some games by Cloo who is very good rogue and he randomly through it on an enemy druid healer and then went back to dps target, and then after a bit of damage, hard swap with kidney to the druud

[strange grail]

Does Cloo stream? Trying to find some assassin rogue streamers but majority of rogues are playing sub on twitch rn

[dark kernel]

Honestly, I just checked and no he really doesn't

[tight hill]

any tips to deal with ret pals in shuffle? i always seem to just give them rounds

as sin rogue

[jolly sierra]

if you use deathmark u got a big cd like bubble or bop in exchange

bubble or bop = vanish or hug pillar

ret has 3 lifes, if you break through those 3 is dead

[tight hill]

hmm so focusing them to get all their cds... now that i think about it sounds obvious but been trying to play around them

ty

[strange grail]

Disarm during wings if you can, only solid thing I’ve got against ret. Spec seems super simple and PUMPS damage

[jolly sierra]

that is useless

they can still hammer of wrath and blade of justice

they cant only do final veredict so they fills w hammers to do dmg

[strange grail]

Should I not bother with disarm against ret? I’m noob unfortunately

[jolly sierra]

no

its not a warrior

its like disarming a monk

you disable just fof

ret will only spam hammers on disarm

[strange grail]

Okay good to know thank you sir 🙏

[agile kite]

Idk what the fuck I’m doing on sub but I’m 18-8 on blitz and 2.2 mmr and it’s working

I know one opener and use it 24/7 and I don’t think I’ve ever applied the bleed we have

Literally forgot its name

Rupture?

[halcyon timber]

Yes rupture, good ability.

[waxen meteor]

Which helmet enchant do we use

[muted spire]

what is fof

[jolly sierra]

fists of fury

[muted spire]

so dont use disarm against ret then? is that what you mean

[halcyon timber]

Filet o’ fish sandwich > fist of fury

[halcyon timber]

You can but it only limits some of their abilities (still good to have than not have)

Just like fighting a dh or wind walkers.

[jolly sierra]

lit

disarm = hammer of wrath/blade of justice spam then veredict after he is done w disarm

its better to use another talent like hemo

[outer sky]

you take disarm vs rogues, warriors, frost DKs, Enhance Shamans, and MM hunters

[spring bough]

outlaw is fun rn

[halcyon timber]

Ret is a caster now anyway and bm isn’t affected much

[outer sky]

i did 2s against an outlaw/disc priest team at like 2100mmr and the priest did significantly more damage than his outlaw rogue

[spring bough]

sounds like bro didnt do anything lol

[spring bough]

how usually do that much dmg on an opening burst lmao

[jolly sierra]

can DH still revert disarm?

[halcyon timber]

Prob ccd a lot / running tbh

[halcyon timber]

With retreat yeah (glimpse)

[jolly sierra]

does it still works?

fuck

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

They aren’t ever turning that off, just like eyebeam being uninterrupted like the old days

[muted spire]

But once DH glimpse your disarm is good, so they cant dodge your stun

[halcyon timber]

They have a talent to double VR in one of their trees yeah?

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=444926/evasive-action
found it. Just like Fatebound interaction for Assass/ Outlaw

[spring bough]

when 17 ot 19 BTEs crrit and the average is 1 milly it makes me feel so happy

1.4mil highest

[waxen meteor]

No, you can't revert, but you can 'cloak' disarm like our old big cloak by glimpse

[jolly sierra]

fuck

unfair af, they can we dont

[halcyon timber]

Doesn’t matter what tools other classes receive they will always say crap like “yeh x is good but we aren’t rogue” so nerf rogue hur hur

[waxen meteor]

true but i don't think dh is taking it

the other node of this talent is basically: VR resets your shadowstep

[halcyon timber]

Yeah maybe, same time “we need x” and blizz makes options and people still complain so i don’t have empathy for them

[waxen meteor]

DH has been a good alt choice

[jolly sierra]

i go ret and its fine tbh

[waxen meteor]

When you want to set your brain away

[jolly sierra]

as alt

[waxen meteor]

go play dh

[jolly sierra]

pass

disgusting

[waxen meteor]

I once tried to play dh like rogue, but then i figured just zugging makes you better

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[waxen meteor]

don't overthink

[jolly sierra]

happens

[spring bough]

deva with outlaw feels so dangerous

man.... 2250... about to go 4-2 and then the dps leaves the last round and i only get 10 points.... FML

gd ret couldnt get a win /cry

[dark kernel]

Damn almost makes you want to try fatebound for the coin flips

[spring bough]

that was as trickster lol

[dark kernel]

I know

Now imagine all the coin damage if you werent

[spring bough]

rocking that 22% crit so with all buffs have probably over 85% or so lol

[dark kernel]

Keep grinding amigo

Tonight I finally have some time to play after the kid goes to sleep

Time to hit 2.1 and start the end season climb

[hybrid palm]

Any tips against bm hunter

[dark kernel]

As what spec?

[hybrid palm]

Sub

[spring bough]

depending on who they with i just train BM lol

[hybrid palm]

Aim pet?

[dark kernel]

Yeah you really play normal, just go him, you can't kill pees anymore

Dead strat

[hybrid palm]

Ok

[dark kernel]

Just try to use feint on his intimidate stun

BM hunters are stat stick classes

They just do consistent decent pressure

[outer sky]

You kill warlock pets not hunter pets

It's 100% okay to single target warlock pets and even use cooldowns on them

If you kill a lock pet twice you basically auto win the game

[stoic spruce]

Mop has pvp mods in the tooltips

[hybrid palm]

Any warlock spec ?

[outer sky]

yes

demo locks obviously suffer the most

but the other 2 need their pets as well

[hybrid palm]

How hard or easy are warlock pets to kill

[outer sky]

depends how good the other team is

[hybrid palm]

In what way

Like they protect n heal pet?

Why are bm hunter pets unkillable? Game design or talent or something

[halcyon timber]

Yes, depends if healers are healing them and the lock and hunter can heal them as well.

Pets take reduced damage from players as well (varies on both those classes, not sure about talents though)

[hybrid palm]

Last night I killed bm hunter pet I think, I might be mistaken though

N won round then

[halcyon timber]

You can for sure

[hybrid palm]

But when lock n hunter healing pet they can't do dps? Or they can ?

[halcyon timber]

Hunter yes, locks i dunno what they do with talents other than old health funnel from back in the day. Neither are trading something major to do so. Just have to be on your toes and adapt to opportunities.

[hybrid palm]

Ok so targetting pets is viable approach to rounds ?

[halcyon timber]

You “can”. There isn’t a cut an dry approach or “always” type scenario.

I wouldn’t think too much about it man

[hybrid palm]

I see, ok thanks!

[halcyon timber]

No sweat, just focus on recognizing what pet it is and what tools you have fighting them

Ex: succubus can charm you with seduce vs fel guard can stun you with axe toss. Important distinction

[stoic spruce]

.

[broken otter]

How is everyone playing MoP? I thought it doesn't come out till like July 1st?

Pre patch that is

Is it in beta or something?

[potent pivot]

beta ye

have to get an invite from blizz afaik

[broken otter]

Ah, gotcha.

Not interested in playing it. Just curious cause I saw a couple people mention they were playing it, now.

[potent pivot]

yeh

some people have been playing pservers for months to get ready for it as well

[broken otter]

Committed lol

I'm still convinced it'll be a ghost town in a few months time.

[stoic spruce]

Okay but

Farms

[broken otter]

Aside from the raid loggers who buy all their gear with Visa swipes

[stoic spruce]

Omg me me

Jk

I'm gonna play unholy and combat

[potent pivot]

most likely, but that happens with all wow seasons

[broken otter]

True, I guess.

I don't arena though. When it comes to the open world and BGs, the game seems p alive.

Like I fully know that arena and M+ are suffering late season

but I don't experience it personally

[stoic spruce]

Wpvp this season has honestly been pretty fun

I'm surprised

[stoic spruce]

What are you playing in remix

[potent pivot]

Dunno

Doubt I’ll play it much tbh

[stoic spruce]

Aw man

If the stats play like it did last time, Idk what I'll be playing

[potent pivot]

I’ll probably knock out some of the rewards towards the end

Just cba with wow atm tbh

[stoic spruce]

Fair

I'm gonna make a burner account and go make reddit posts

On the wow reddit

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Wait

Oh yeah here we go

This'll do numbers

[gleaming sentinel]

[stoic spruce]

Imma play this in remix btw

Playing meta build in remix is so troll

[potent pivot]

I feel like in remix you just play max mobility

So blade rush yes

Questing talents

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-in-the-hood-spongebob-patrick-star-pop-off-follow-up-gif-388454046858502584

Popo rn

[stoic spruce]

Hell yeah

We're gonna have fun

[potent pivot]

If they release the recolors we actually want

I’ll grind that shit on every class

[stoic spruce]

I'd also take nighthold recolors

[potent pivot]

I want more recolors of the uhh

[stoic spruce]

Antorus?

[potent pivot]

The mage tower sets too

I forget the raid

[stoic spruce]

Tomb

Of sargerus

[potent pivot]

ToS yeah

[stoic spruce]

However you spell it

I meant to say that

[potent pivot]

They could do some wicked shit with those sets

Like mostly black+black effects on those sets would go so hard

Black and white recolors of mage tower weapons

My god

[stoic spruce]

Hrngg

[potent pivot]

I feel like I’m spitting fire

[dark kernel]

Mmm

[stoic spruce]

Dude

You know what I forgot?

About

The freaking legendaries

Can't wait to see how that'll work

[potent pivot]

Ye

If they know what they’re doing

[stiff cedar]

How much pve is there to mop pvp

[potent pivot]

They will make all of them easy to obtain

[stiff cedar]

Gear wise

[potent pivot]

None

[stiff cedar]

I'm actually interested then

[stoic spruce]

You gotta admit though

[stiff cedar]

How bad is lvling

[waxen meteor]

@potent pivot boss, which hemlet enchant

[stoic spruce]

When blizz has creative freedom, they absolutely cook.

[stiff cedar]

I don't have any toons on any of the classic era versions

[potent pivot]

Just go gushing

Twilight is ok as well

[stiff cedar]

Did we decide void ritual bad now?

[stoic spruce]

Lowkey was never good

[stiff cedar]

Ah

[waxen meteor]

which one is gushing... not playing english game client... tried to put a translation on gushing but nothing makes sense..
What's the effect

[stoic spruce]

You got me feining lol

[stoic spruce]

Gushing wound

Oh

It's a bleed

[waxen meteor]

got it

[stoic spruce]

[stiff cedar]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=239086/greater-rune-of-gushing-wound?bonus=7981:12042:5878:11996

Hopefully that translates to your local language when you open the page ❤️

[wind star]

What game mode would you guys suggest for someone who is completely new to pvp?

[potent pivot]

Practice as much as you can in regular BGs/arena skirmishes etc

[wind star]

kk

[potent pivot]

Then you kinda just have to jump into one of the rated brackets

Watch some guides n stuff

[wind star]

nice thanks! here i go!

[wind star]

Are Epic BGs just like mindless AOE into a zerg and hope your group comes out on top, type deal ?

[potent pivot]

yeah i would stick to reg BGs tbh

if you want to try and learn for rated bg blitz

see how all the BGs work, learn how to dps and CC well

there's some YT guides that explain how all the blitz maps work

[wind star]

Sweet thanks

[dark kernel]

solo shuffle is so funny

below 1800 lobbies are random as hell

1800-2K is like a meatgrinder of ALL melee cleaves, every so often a balanced loby

as soon as MMR gets to duelist territory, Wizzard Cleaves NON stop

Dev/boomy/Destro/Mage out the fucking ass

[outer sky]

@potent pivot took a look at the pinned build for sub. Noticed it doesnt use flag. But every sub rogue ive queued into this season uses flag. does it need to be updated or are we sure about this?

[potent pivot]

running flag is generally personal preference

not everyone uses it

[outer sky]

what do you typically drop for it?

[potent pivot]

deeper daggers

[stoic spruce]

Why don't outlaws use dreadblades anymore?

I'm sorry I'll leave

[outer sky]

i remember why i dont like this

Sectec seems so out of place

do we still have to play sectec even though its not needed for the tier set?

[potent pivot]

yes sec tech hits hard

has never seemed out of place to me

probably just need to get used to it

[outer sky]

if rupture isnt on the KT do we apply it during dance?

[potent pivot]

you can but since they tuned down some of the burst modifiers i don't anymore

i mostly apply before/outside of the real burst window

[outer sky]

i wont either

im so glad the answer is no

[potent pivot]

[exotic dove]

Well damn I wasn't even trying to get a decent envenom number I didnt even use Deathmark. Round wasn't even a minute. Ret went Zug Zug and died without bubble

How was that a 2300 lobby? Lobbies tonight are just weird in shuffle

Watching the replay now on it but damn

[muted spire]

I dont think the AR dh is as ez as before

[rotund swift]

I need help with Assassination in BGs. I am gearing my rogue and legit don't know what to do

Can't win 1v1s and die in team fights with all my defensives

[verbal field]

can anyone tell how to turn this on? is it with gladius?

[potent pivot]

that's just omniCD for your team mate's CDs

[stoic spruce]

Looks like it's already on

[jaunty osprey]

I think it’s time to play Fatebound vs Frost Mages

These roots and CCs vs them are ridiculous, I’m perma CC’d before I can even consume my darkest night to reapply mark

and losing your mark when they ice block is kinda wild

[outer sky]

ive tried it. it doesnt help much

there's just no excuse for Sprint not being a freedom in the current meta

the worst part about frost mage IMO is that they dont even have to press anything to root you

idk how blizzard thinks thats a good idea

and them having 2 blocks is just stupid

i'm sure youve noticed ivan

mages, particularly frost mages

are the only casters that basically trinket garrote silence on cooldown

"i cant die. I have 2 blocks and i'm untouchable. Why hold trinket"

and alter time needs a pvp nerf

any time i'm in an all melee + frost mage lobby and the frost mage doesn't 6-0 I know he's trash

[halcyon timber]

They pitched a giant fit about alter time being affected by dampening as is

[grave basin]

alter needs to be 4 seconds and undispellable

i think that's fair

having no purge on your team against frost mage is insane

[halcyon timber]

Yeah would be fair

Locks like getting pissy about dark pact too

[dark kernel]

Do not let castor's gaslight you that any of them are worse than A + tier

[halcyon timber]

You have a bunch of them that will tap space bar and fight in melee range for whatever reason and say “they can’t get away”

[dark kernel]

It's not just that, but there is no caster spec in the game right now that can't pull a million DPS under pressure

[stoic spruce]

But when I say death strike sucks ass, everyone gets up in arms

Crazy

[halcyon timber]

It just got unnerfed yeah?

[dark kernel]

I'm personally going to struggle to empathize with the hero class

[stoic spruce]

No

You're a rogue

[dark kernel]

What are you

[stoic spruce]

A dk

Sometimes a rogue

[dark kernel]

I see

DKs are rough right now for sure.

Definitely a class with ups and downs

[outer sky]

dark pact is so broken idk how warlocks ever die

[halcyon timber]

Yeah it did

[stoic spruce]

I think that's the skill cap

[stoic spruce]

That's imp death strike

A talent

[dark kernel]

I have a friend that runs with a DK to glad each season

DK/hunt/priest

[stoic spruce]

It went from 300k to 400k max heals

[stoic spruce]

Goated comp

So old too

Since wrath I'm pretty sure

[outer sky]

another thing that needs to happen is blink needs to go on the gcd

[stoic spruce]

Real

[dark kernel]

My question is when it was it removed? Must have been some time after Mop

I used to alt a mage a bit

[halcyon timber]

I dunno whos movement is on gcd tbh . Don’t see a reason to as the bs of gcds on offensives was weird af in bfa “to give people time” to react

[outer sky]

i just dont think they should be able to blink while casting

[halcyon timber]

Oh shimmer crap

[outer sky]

also blast wave and displace need to be on a choice node

[halcyon timber]

Was wrong. SN is replaced by gravity lapse in sunfury tree

No sympathy for harry potter classes at all though. They can get bent.

[gentle bay]

Hey Whats the best spec to start pvp with? New to Rogue. Assa seems a Bit easier. Or should I just Go all in with sub?

[potent pivot]

most people consider assa easier to pick up, but learning both can also be really beneficial

they're both decent atm

[spring bough]

so i made a rogue vanessacleef and ima mog it like vanessa vancleef... just need to get tabard of flame somehow lol

[jolly sierra]

bmah

[spring bough]

ima have to be on the lookout

[jolly sierra]

i bought my one from there

in wod

[spring bough]

i have tabard of frost so for now im using the vengeful pvp set and going with the vanessa vancleef as blue instead of red lol

[verbal field]

I need brilliance tabard for mage tower

[spring bough]

now i just need a blue mask lol

[verbal field]

missed it when it was twitch drop

[jolly sierra]

i have vanessa vancleef cosplay w my panda

XD

in an outfit for xmog

[spring bough]

idk bout tht one LMAO

[dark kernel]

Tell me why does he wear the mask!

[jolly sierra]

in legion u have a mask vendor tho

dunno if he has blue

but has a lot of colors

[spring bough]

using ebon mask for now its close enough lol

[jolly sierra]

nope, blue doesnt exists F

use just Black or White

[jolly sierra]

or @wintry dew can u help wellinth pls lol

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cartman-south-park-yo-whats-up-whats-up-whats-up-gif-24465599

[dark kernel]

im 2080 on both my rogues

poetic

[jolly sierra]

any blue mask model similar to defias one?

the cosmetic vendor just have not any blue xd

[wintry dew]

After checking it for a while, best one could do is black

[jolly sierra]

fuck, not too much options then F

@spring bough u are cooked

pick black

[spring bough]

Yeah lmao. Better than no mask

[jolly sierra]

ye

are u using high heels boots?

use bandit's boots

[dark kernel]

@spring bough see you soon :^)

ngl its rough out here but 80 rating today

[warped gate]

Okay, I prolly should've know this before I got this far but.. how the fuck do Frost DK's work?

Because this dude is basically one shotting people and we're just laughing about it pre-round in this Shuffle.

Details alone is telling me Remorseless Winter is putting in pain but outside of that, I'm in the dark.

[dark kernel]

pretty much imagine Frost DK as AOE Sub Rogue on a 1 minute cooldown

they want to grip in the healer, get Blind on as many people as possible, stun, and AOE big damage

[warped gate]

That's horrifying.

So if I popped my shit and he popped his shit, is it in my best interest to just say fuck my go and avoid him?

Because we're all moving in for the deathball and his deathball always wins.

I was watching this video to try and get a feel of how they work before you answered and I'm kinda left with more questions. https://youtu.be/3o_UNq312zI

He's Death Gripping these dudes to ||Flavor Town||.

[potent pivot]

DKs can be disarmed during their offensive CDs to prevent damage, and when you're going for the kill so they can't death strike

[dark kernel]

yeah, its actually easy to manage once you get practice

[warped gate]

Okay sweet, so Disarm is something to keep in mind.

[potent pivot]

ye

frost is usually not a big deal outside of their burst

they aren't as bad as like sub rogue outside of CDs

but the only thing thats really considered scary is their pop

they have pretty good defensives, but outside of those they die pretty easily

[warped gate]

Thanks, fellas.

Never really saw Frost too often so didn't really care much, but after this and another lobby where they dominated I was like okay, I gotta figure this shit out.

I don’t understand why I don’t see as many dragons anymore. I mean.. I guess I do and I guess that term is outdated since dragons can become more than just Evokers but still.

Just played one a couple days ago and they still fulfill their niche of bursting dudes from existence while being annoying as shit and buzzing around like a fly to the letter.

(I specifically mean Devokers, I see the healers every so often still.)

[verbal field]

how to play around mana break against hpal/ any heal priest in duel?

[halcyon timber]

Drustvar shows a lot of them queueing compared to other classes so dunno.

[halcyon timber]

Not really going to whoop on a healer who is good in open world. Dampening is kinda needed unless they aren’t very good and screw up a lot

[covert warren]

damn what happened to outlaw it feels liek dogwater now

[jaunty osprey]

It’s not for the mobility. It’s the fact that you miss out on so much damage from not being able to reapply your mark

[warped gate]

[gleaming sentinel]

wonder if taking that 20% nerf off of adrenaline rush would help

[gentle bay]

Do I use fan of knives in pvp arena?

and crimson tempest

[outer sky]

youd probably miss out on more from fatebound since you cant connect you wont be able to flip a coin

at least with deathstalker if you get a rupture on the mage you can benefit from corrupt the blood

[tight hill]

if you can hit 2+ targets yes. Fan of knives gens more combo points that way and crimson tempest does big dam

[outer sky]

yeah here's an entire no mage shuffle worth of deathstalker damage related specifically to the mark. So 2.6% of my damage

losing the step CDR though kinda sucks

[gentle bay]

Thanks! And crimson tempest also with 1 target?

[halcyon timber]

4 steps / cannot be slowed below 70% (choice) prob pretty solid. Subjective to the rogue’s style for sure though)

[tight hill]

no it does more dam the more ppl it hits, don't think its worth over envenom with one target

[verbal field]

i love late night solo shuffle

[outer sky]

I'm about to unsub

[chrome schooner]

the builder hitting for 4m

not bad

meanwhile mutilate 80k hehehehehehe

[dark kernel]

That's after nerfs too. It was doing 10 million, but it is a cheese build

[glass magnet]

Signet of the priory or house of cards

[dark kernel]

Wrong channel homie

[glass magnet]

oops mb

[halcyon timber]

Heaven forbid generators were impactful for rogues.

[halcyon timber]

B -b- but rogue can do xyz

[warped gate]

Holy shit, an Aug.

[halcyon timber]

Augs and Devs can pop hard yeah

Lots of healers can hit for 3.5 m and such too. Mistweaver as an example and some freak shock builds from holy paladin.

[hybrid palm]

If I open on someone with evasion active, how does an enemy resto druid still stun me ?

[outer sky]

he was behind you

[hybrid palm]

Pretty certain he was on the side not behind

[dark kernel]

Attacks from stealth came be dodged

Cannot

[hybrid palm]

I see

Ok thanks

[dark kernel]

You either play the waiting game or use your big balls to bait the druid on opener

[hybrid palm]

Bait in what way?

[dark kernel]

The problem is in shuffle, nobody ever Interruots the druid casting clone after

9/10 times druid will go for stun+clone and if your team is smart they'll cC him giving you an chance to do damage and blind after which is like guaranteed druid trinket+ztree form

Druis can't really afford to fall behind, but relying on your team is pain

[outer sky]

rake stun can 100000000000000000000% be dodged

i know WoWHead says otherwise

its wrong

[hybrid palm]

Ok , thanks, I thought I invented great opener with evasion but kept getting stunned 😄

[dark kernel]

Then why can CS NOT BE dodged

[outer sky]

because Blizzard coded it that way

[dark kernel]

I'll give it a try later, but either way I would never evasion on opener to avoid a resto stun

[hybrid palm]

Hmmmm why not

In the case it works I mean

[halcyon timber]

Bc like storm bolt and chaos nova and shockwave

[dark kernel]

Because you're blowing a major defensive cooldown, just to potentially dodge a single stun in the opener

[halcyon timber]

Rake can zuk

[outer sky]

Here my friend and I just tested it

[dark kernel]

So if resto stun can be dodged from stealth can feral?

That seems so janky

[outer sky]

yes

[dark kernel]

Lmao blind kitty

[hybrid palm]

So that means the enemy resto was always behind me right ?

[halcyon timber]

Just like ambush

[outer sky]

yes

[hybrid palm]

Ok

[halcyon timber]

Have to dodge with them in front of you

[dark kernel]

If you are playing Outlaw, you could probably justify sometimes evasion in the opener. But not if you're sub or assassination

[hybrid palm]

Which means they have weakaura seeing me use evasion n position 😄

[halcyon timber]

Only dh can dodge from behind

[hybrid palm]

My whole point of enemy cds being used comes full circle 😄

[halcyon timber]

Not hard to see you use evasion

No addon required

Just game knowledge

[hybrid palm]

So if I use evasion, n open then just keep strafing to reduce chance of a back hit ?

[halcyon timber]

Nope

Isn’t a guaranteed thing

Just have to time it well kinda , you develop a sense for these things on any class vs any class as you gain experience

Don’t sweat it man

[hybrid palm]

Ok

[dark kernel]

My personal favorite as Outlaw is grappling hook to the rest of druid where he stealths and blade flurry sap him

[outer sky]

I hate hook

i always get CCd mid travel

[dark kernel]

I know this pain

Roots are the worst

[outer sky]

spring needs to be a freedom or tigers lust

theres 0 reason for it to just be a movement speed buff in this meta

[dark kernel]

I dunno. Outside of mage matches I disagree

But mages are far and away just insane

Spriests are also nuts and I'm shocked I barely see them right now

[outer sky]

rogues are the only melee that have to burn a major 2m offensive/defensive CD just to not be rooted

they said they were nerfing kidney shot to a 30s CD to bring rogues "more in line with other classes"

well fine

give us a short CD root break

every other melee has one

that would bring us in line

[dark kernel]

Sprint pvp talent back

[outer sky]

yeah

thats what i said

effectively

[dark kernel]

What do you primarily play? Sin

[outer sky]

yes

[dark kernel]

I got tou

Ill probably need to push Sin if I ever want glad

No other spec feels viable unless you are far and away over skilled for it

[outer sky]

its meh right now

sub is probably the best rogue spec atm

with RMP

or sub/destro

[agile kite]

just installed diminish

seems to not work with gouge / blind and only on stuns

is this normal

[potent pivot]

It’s a very finicky/rarely updated addon afaik

[agile kite]

just having stuns should be enough...right?

[potent pivot]

Try using gladius(Bicmex version)

For DRs

[agile kite]

will that one work for blitz?

if so i will do it rn ty

[potent pivot]

No

For blitz use battlegroundenemies

[vocal surge]

Gotta love it when hpriest use their angel form

Smoke Bomb go brrrr

[dark kernel]

Get TeeA DR tracker from wago

It's really good and has nameplate DRs

[dark kernel]

Hey there. Long time. I finally caught up to you

[vocal surge]

Aye

whats your rating at/

[dark kernel]

I just hit 2114 this morning in shuffy lol

That shit takes forever since my guys MMR started at flat 1500 and the kiddo life

[vocal surge]

Oh

I was kinda hoping you'd say 2s

or 3s

Then it'd be a ONE OF US moment

Regardless, Congrats x)

[dark kernel]

Sadge

I haven't been on much to play with my normal teammates due to the inconsistent timing

[warped gate]

I think I got a WeakAuras that does that job.

Yeah, this thing:

I found this when I came back from my half a year break and found out Diminish was doneski.

It works great, has a lil' icon next to the person's health bar that hasn't let me down yet.

You gotta make sure you read the instructions before you install it though because I totally didn't and had so many lua errors that the game advised me to turn off all addons because it got so bad.

[vocal surge]

I feel that

[broken otter]

Did you installed the Fixed by Jaesa version?

Also, it doesn't work on PvP training dummy (If you're testing your DRs on that)

[potent pivot]

i've tried this many times and it never works properly

[broken otter]

Mine works great, but I honestly forget I was using this

I coulda sworn I was using Tea

unless, wait

Yeah, nope, I'm not using Tea and I get DRs on target unit frames

only thing I can think is working for me is that addon

[potent pivot]

the only thing that ever works for me from Diminish is stun DR and sometimes certain CC will make it show 1 other DR

but no matter how much i fuck with the settings it has never worked properly

[broken otter]

hmm lemme look into mine

cause now that I think of it I usually just watch stuns and saps

maybe mine is broken too

fwiw, someone in here gave me an updated Tea DR WA, in here, awhile back that fixed the bugs with it:

Hmm mine isn't working on mobs now

weird

[warped gate]

https://youtube.com/shorts/5furYtfVuIk

[potent pivot]

ya they do dam

[warped gate]

That shit was wild.

I thought the fury might've nuked someone while I was setting up, not the other way around.

[outer sky]

in a shuffle with a friend of mine and he died so fast he didnt even notice he died. He thought they killed me

[hard compass]

how do you keep sub dam up throughout the game between managing CC and getting peeled on your goes

[languid ravine]

world pvp be like: maaan I d love to restealth but that Lavashock lasting a whole minute

[tight hill]

I'm not good at sub by any means, but i'd guess rupture on multiple targets then trying to hit a few eviscerates to get deathstalkers mark proc'd for next go

[marble oasis]

Anyone found the void ritual head enchant breaking their stealth?

or like trapping you in combat

[glass hazel]

dont run it, its bad

run gushing\td

[marble oasis]

yeh that was my alternative

i was like "more stats = more good :D" but it's like wut

[glass hazel]

ritual gives only 25% stats in pvp

useless

[marble oasis]

yikes

how much is the gushing damage nerfed or isn't it?

plus free dot i guess

[glass hazel]

usually 50% 🙂

for everything

[marble oasis]

that's what i thought but ritual got hammered it seems

[glass hazel]

ritual nerfed by 75% :X

[marble oasis]

plus that stupid crystal above your head is distracting af

[gusty hedge]

yeah this one works best havent had a single issue yet.

[potent pivot]

It’s just stats so it won’t do that

[marble oasis]

see that's what i thought. just seems odd it only started recently though

[spring bough]

50 crystals capped on deephaul achieve done

9/25 on the way to strategist locked up just now too

[lone goblet]

Is the belt also going to be nerfed in pvp so that it's not worth using?

[glass hazel]

100% 🙂

[agile kite]

2k cr in blitz

But 2k mmr

NOOOO

My 2100 run bros…

[spring bough]

pvp or key day

[spring bough]

war unarms me... no prob... KB the ele with a 800k BTE lol

aent no way... resto druid, ret and arms all grouped up... stunned all 3 with cheap twice and secured the KB on the war LOL

5-1'd and 2278... creeping up to that solo elite

[turbid cosmos]

any1 got vids of flag capping havent play rogue in a while

[tight hill]

man... Playing shuffle against ret pals is pain. I'm pretty low rated and someone always dies before we can get through all their cds. They seem to be in every lobby lol

before even shadowblades is back up. Basically feels like need to win in the opener or they have to royally screw up

[turbid cosmos]

whats best way to cap a flag from 1 defender in tww?

[spring bough]

save ur trink. save ur CCs and use them one by one. try and get them to use their trinket. ill try to sap then hit flag, if they trinket that then blind and go for flag. or if they wait out sap, blind go for flag. if they trinket the blind then get full duration kidney up and go for flag and then u should be good unless someone else pops up

[strange grail]

got to 1787 last night and then went 1-5 so back down to 1731. SS games can be so tilting man

[spring bough]

any1 every have dirt cake ice cream from ben n jerrys? one of the best they got by far just had it for the first time

[dark kernel]

Yeah it's pretty good, but it's not my favorite of theirs

[spring bough]

in a blitz right now and enemy team has 3 locks and 2 hunters

wtf is this BS

[dark kernel]

I don't know, I refuse to cue Blitz anymore unless I actually just want to mess around

I cannot take that bracket seriously

[fossil thunder]

whats the fastest way to gear up a fresh char for pvp

[strange grail]

crate farming groups

[spring bough]

having a fun day on blitz. 11/25 on my way to strategist

[strange grail]

currently 2/10 on games that havent been 3/3 from 1787 to 1675. just wanted to hit 1800 so i can take a break lmaoooo

[agile kite]

Based gl king

Do you guys ever take a break during a win streak

[jolly sierra]

just when i lose

[spring bough]

2501 in blitz boys we pushing and getting closer to strategist lol

outlaw capping wsg too easy

temple with 3 rogues on one team... wicked

2527 CRUISING

2556 jesus we zooming today boys

[strange grail]

anyone down to coach a struggling noob, can schedule some time during the week? I feel like I take 1 step forward and 2 back. peaked at 1787 and goal is 1800. On healers I hit 1800 so quick but i'm almost 500 games with a 50% winrate on my assassination rogue. Really appreciate any help I can get

[potent pivot]

if you have any questions feel free to ask

[strange grail]

some of these games just feel so different, caster lobby vs melee cleave for example. Warriors esp its like I know to disarm during their colossus/avatar but if they get a spear/spinny blades I feel useless till I can get out

feel like I need someone to watch and just tell me like "that is wrong do not do that"

[potent pivot]

you can post recordings

[spring bough]

if rogue had a fourth spec what would it be

something with 1handers

[halcyon timber]

Yeh little cig break then get back to worky

[formal pebble]

give me OnehanderMH/Dagger OH tank

[spring bough]

bring back HEMO rogue 2025

[halcyon timber]

Devs said nope

[strange grail]

Here's my two most recent SS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMgcVvqEAQ4

[exotic dove]

Watching the first game. You can fan of knives while disarmed also when you see the boomy pop big cds you could shadow step your partner and line it behind the pillar so healer doesnt need to use big cds on you like that cocoon. So you could have stepped him to line boomy burst with pillar by stepping ally there near pillar to line.

[halcyon timber]

If you are fast enough, you “can” step out of spear as it has a brief “Arming time” . The same with shaman’s static field btw.

Don’t get hung up on win rates and all that jazz. Just fight well and the rating will come. Good stuff so far though !

[strange grail]

Lining and when to line is something I really struggle with so thank you for the advice ❤️ I will watch the replay and try to put it into my brain that this a great lining opportunity

[strange grail]

appreciate the advice and love! Is it in the beginning of spear only that you can jump out?

[halcyon timber]

Correct, have to time it reallly well. Same for vanish

Used to be able to get tugged by it and time step during the tug but kinda inconsistent

[waxen meteor]

40 mins blitz again..

damn

[stiff cedar]

You can definitely still do this (on every class, technically, though it's WAY easier on a mage than a shaman for instance) you just need to use a movement ability the same frame spear pulls you back in, as it can't pull you back in again until you get back into the spear and it's ability to grip you "resets." You don't have to be frame perfect but it's pretty damn fuckin tight. I can confirm that this ssn I've ported spear on my ww though, it is possible. Just hold global, walk out, and port practically before you even see it pull you

Shimmer, being off global, is definitely the easiest way to do it

[halcyon timber]

Yeah figured as much. Definitely some “nerf rogue bc i saw them do that” while ignoring other classes forum propaganda

[stiff cedar]

You had good advice and I wouldn't at all suggest someone new could pull it off, wasn't takin away from what you said at all, just wanted to add into it

Yeah complaining rogues can do it is like

Missing the forest for the trees

[halcyon timber]

Yeah good stuff, this is a community and everyone should chip in for sure man

[stiff cedar]

Like I bet you if I go practice I can log my ele rn and walk out then gust of wind the pull back and get out of spear

Would take me some attempts

Willing to bet it's possible

[halcyon timber]

Yeah would be sick

[stiff cedar]

Def isn't a rogue problem though lmao

[halcyon timber]

Then do a 180 mid air and unleash shield knock root a warr haha

[stiff cedar]

Unleash shield is so sick into war

I've been on the caster life for a while bc my buddy I q with is on melee but I'll be getting back into rogue to try some rmp, I have knowledge but 0 skill on sub

[halcyon timber]

Do what you love man, f the rest

[stiff cedar]

So I've played a lot of ele dev and mage this ssn and yeah unleash in warr crazy

[halcyon timber]

I like seeing shaman use static field and move it with recall while a warr does his nonsense xD

Charge - get dog shock fenced - > somehow a rogue’s fault

[stiff cedar]

Always a rogues fault

And static is sick but the cd feels so bad I almost never play it

Like I'd rather just take burrow and trade it on the first spear instead, and it's barely a longer cd

[halcyon timber]

“When did rogue get blink??” (Dude is a void elf)

Yeah i like teaming up with shaman who use their kit instead of tapping space bar panicking in shuffle

[wise sequoia]

Does anyone know about how arena works in classic?
Contemplating trying out MoP, and I'm wondering if its possible to team up with anyone for arena, or if we will be limited by server & faction choice.

[potent pivot]

its limited ye

[wise sequoia]

Also by server? Didn't they start cross realm LFG back in cata?
(all the full servers are locked, only small servers to choose from now)
Does cross realm work with bnet friends?

[potent pivot]

i have no idea man

idk if mop is still based on battle groups n shit

just know its much more limited than retail

[wise sequoia]

Ty anyhow - just wanna have fun with old school chill arena 🙂
It would be sad to choose a realm with non pvp population for my faction!

[dark kernel]

im watching Val play an 1800 rated match as Sub

and it's lmao

[potent pivot]

i think its cross server, but it IS still limited by faction

but i'm not 100% sure, not easy to find the info

[wise sequoia]

Yeah - I have been asking across several servers, looking for an answer.

It seems like the LFG system is broken in cata, but it might have worked untill somewhat recently (5ish months ago).

I will keep searching. Hopefully there is a way to find an active pvp scene.

[potent pivot]

its generally pretty dead

it'll be fine at the beginning of the first season of mop

but classic always dies off like 3-4 weeks into every season

i think the hardest part is that you have to queue with the same people or you start over on rating? idr

[halcyon timber]

Ol team charter days

[queen jetty]

Bring back being able to name teams, just have it go off whoever is lead

[warped gate]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[agile kite]

what does outlaw do in blitz bros

@lilac wedge do you try and pump or always objectives?

[potent pivot]

rogue in general is basically always objectives

[agile kite]

i want to like outlaw because the swag of the class is so cool but from the outside, seems overly tedious for less damage and nothing else

[potent pivot]

Outlaw generally isn’t played for damage

It has better more control, mobility and survivability

If you need more damage you kinda have to play the other specs

[agile kite]

@potent pivot maybe i need to try it, seems like if it does less damage than sub idk how it would even work on most maps

if they have to sit bases i will crash out

[potent pivot]

It’s only really better for flag maps

But you can’t choose the map you play per spec so

[agile kite]

Also what gives it better control

I’m not seeing anymore cc on outlaw than sun

Sub*

But maybe I’m missing something

[potent pivot]

CDR

[warped gate]

Does Fatebound or Trickster straight up outperform one another in PvP?

Top guy on Murk is Trickster, but almost every other rogue is Fatebound.

[potent pivot]

not really no. most people play fatebound for the mobility ye

[exotic dove]

I was so excited I finally got a q on my Main Rogue as sub 2430 something mmr lobby. Was an hour Q. I went 5-1 now I am fucked

not even 2100 cr yet I need to not be up at this time or soemthing qs are forever

If I keep it up though Ill beat the 60% win rate at 2400cr I did as Assa last season though. Assuming I get 2400 CR this season as well and keep up the good plays

[vocal surge]

Gotta love Moon Guard

Kill a duo in 20s in Skirms for the dailies and I see this happen in chat after getting out of Tol'viron

Knocked both the Hunter and Feral out of stealth a GCD after hitting sap and nuked the both of em they couldn't really react lol

Got mega cleave on all 3 players via pairs

[dark kernel]

Yeah Emerald Dream used to be all this and politics

Oh and our local hero Swole

[broken otter]

Emerald Dream was fucking awesome for the WPvP scene, before War Mode killed it.

It was my main server, till then. Then I just swapped to Tichondrius.

[dark kernel]

Yeah buddy Legion was off the hook

[scarlet sequoia]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I currently have 2 pieces of PvP tier (Hands + shoulders). Is it worth using my PvE hero-track tier to gain the 4 set bonus when they don't have the PvP stat?

As assassination*

[shell vortex]

so there's servers where people still talk shit in chat? cause i feel like i'm playing single player rn

[vocal surge]

Yeah

Join Moon Guard

[dark kernel]

Most of the time on servers if you're known and not just turbo talking stupid shit people won't report you

There's a guy that schizo DMs me all the time about rating

[halcyon timber]

Dude needs a job

[dark kernel]

He's an emerald dream meme for paying for S2 SL glad but ended up with 30/50 wins because he ran out of money.

Now he's a BG blitz hero who talks shit because he got 3K last season lmao

[halcyon timber]

Aint no body cares what that rat trap says . Dude sounds like an ass.

[languid ravine]

"high rated" Mage in a shuffle round with the very obviously bad healer: "hmm, I ll just stand here in the open and tank the sub rogue and marksman hunter yes very clever good"

[halcyon timber]

Makes sense heh

“Game is tooo fast” (the same people do not press defensives and will make a healer’s life harder)

[tight hill]

how much damage should deathmark do? testing on dummys and im doing like 2 mil with garrote from stealth, rupture and shivs one after another. That seems really bad for a 2 minute cd... Maybe i'm missing something?

or i guess the double bleed and poisons wont show under deathmark

[halcyon timber]

Id assume they would just register as additional hits of rup / garr etc. dm is a vehicle for it all so adding alllll of that together and things like sanguine blades etc no?

Far more under the hood than only the mark itself. I would assume it also serves for more energy regen with venomous wounds and lethal dose stacks bonus and lots of other stuff (mechanically thinking here but im no assassination guy)

Also wonder if that doubles up on corrupt the blood during that time (lots of debuffs on the targets) and how that interacts thinking more into shiv and other sources etc.

[agile kite]

im going to save outlaw

make it 3 button spec, builder, spender, diceroll for buffs still

give them back the ranged kidney

make diceroll either make us 1 shot someone or do nothing

[languid ravine]

im going to save Outlaw

give us all 6 buffs permanently

boom, there is a very mid spec for ya

no more energy starved for 10 seconds straight pressing Sinister Strike 5 times in arow

genius

[spring bough]

Just play KIR

When I do solo. I can 9/10 times get 5 buffs into a 6th CTO’d into hitting KIR and sometimes even keep that going for more than a minute

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/rollin-keep-rollin-gif-12761235

[agile kite]

im starting to see a lot of high level sub rogues sit bases in blitz

mines for gilneas etc

[halcyon timber]

Yeap it happens

[agile kite]

i just asked the r1 rogue, avidance

and he said sub sits a lot, more than MM????????

kinda crazy, i never sit on sub but maybe im fucking it up

[rotund swift]

I am about to lose my fucking mind

WHAT IS RANDOMLY BREAKING MY STEALTH

hands off the fucking keyboard and waiting for a moment and just stealth broken

[agile kite]

noticed hella rogues saying that

[rotund swift]

There was no one else near me except for a mage who was busy channeling the flag

[tight hill]

do you have void ritual rune?

heard that is breaking stealth

[rotund swift]

Playing with Gushing Wound atm

I have noticed stupid disc priest reflective shield and bear druid reflect shit will keep me in combat across the BG after rezzing

because of bleeds/poison dmg

I dont know what it is. I can get repeatedly stomped by other players while relearning rogue and be fine. But that shit makes me legit mad lol

[halcyon timber]

Singular focus does / used to break stealth.

Many classes have further effects to break stealth as well so it depends what is in the match on the enemy team

[rotund swift]

No way to disable the talent, is there? Aside from playing the other hero talents?

[dark kernel]

If your assassination there's a ton of various interactions with talents, enchants, etc. that will break stealth

I don't ever have the issue on ourlaw

[rotund swift]

[halcyon timber]

Nope other than making sure to clear your stacks of deathstalker’s mark. Lots of enchants as Slite said can scuff up things

Id imagine stuff like corruption enchants do the same w the infinite stars / void crap

[rotund swift]

Thanks for the replies

[safe pelican]

Sitting as sub is S tier , just comes down to if the sub rogue is S. Should be able to kill any class aside from pally in a stun no trinket , should be able to 2v1 effectively if they both have no trinket.

Need to be good at 1v1’s and 2v1’s and asking for help in chat while you have them both CC’d so teammates can spin instead of trying to be the hero, sub rogue skill ceiling in blitz is high Avidance is OP

[halcyon timber]

Heavily depends on what people have for sure

And intelligence of the individuals to stall and such

[agile kite]

Crazy that I’ve been making so many MM hunters sit lol when I should of been doing that

It does make sense though

Sub does seem insane for it

[halcyon timber]

They can sit too, people just need to have awareness

A pet class can do really well

[potent pivot]

Highly doubt this

[fading blade]

Game is just full of bugs still

Like monk slicing winds not working unless you relog

[agile kite]

Also had this was and losing my mind mid blitz

Is there also a bug of bleeds hitting through cyclone

[halcyon timber]

That’s how Coup gets stuck sometimes and the fix is the exact same as well.

[potent pivot]

Nah

[spring bough]

Has anyone seen these power rangers edits lately? Makes me wanna vibe and watch some old episodes 😂

[pliant marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-gif-14954043419147803630

[warped gate]

I don't understand why the rest of the lobby must suffer because these individuals father's failed them.

And in what universe does Prot Paladin = Healer?

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

iirc prot pally is the only tank that replaces healer

[warped gate]

Such healing.

Yeah, I played with a Prot Warrior and Brewmaster last week and they both just went on the DPS side.

But still, hella Prot Pally diff.

[stoic spruce]

They're suppose to but very few prot players are good enough to take over the healer role.

[warped gate]

I wonder what the Prot Pally queue is like?

[potent pivot]

they only queue into other prot pallies

so its prolly terrible

[stoic spruce]

A good prot pally is actually insane

[potent pivot]

unless they coordinate queues with each other

[warped gate]

*runs over and throws hammer at healer*```

Or my personal favorite — just straight up outruns me to get the healer in combat.

I only leveled Rogue this expansion and I had no idea how many people won't let you get a Sap in.

I used to always let it happen when I was WW Monk.

Also what a time to reroll off of WW Monk. xd

[halcyon timber]

And they still find a reason to cry about sap

[warped gate]

It doesn't happen too often, but the best Solo Shuffle victories is the one where I just Sap the guy for a year, then start the stuns, all the while their DPS is getting melted across map.

Most of the time the dude just runs away and we get some CD's out of it, but if I'm with an insane partner that pumps, they can win the game on their own.

[halcyon timber]

Blind is a homing beacon for aimed shot

[warped gate]

Frost Death Knights are insanity.

[dark kernel]

Prot pallies used for win trading

[long shore]

Hi all, how's rogue in season 2?

Haven't logged in since January so feeling completely lost on what to do.

Do I need to do PVE quest lines to start gearing ?

[halcyon timber]

All 3 specs can do well

Can do as last season with sparks / crafting etc and conquest is uncapped atm

[long shore]

Oh cool so gearing is exactly the same as S1?

[halcyon timber]

Yep yep

[long shore]

Thank goodness I kept my crafted gear. I can upgrade those right

Best way to get conquest is spam 2v2?

[halcyon timber]

Visions were added for a helm enchant if you want.

The guys do crate groups i think for fastest conquest iirc

New patch w stuff coming out this month too btw. Moving closer to 11.2 .