pvp

[hidden moth]

he has it in there

it has a green dotted outline glow when its improved

[potent pivot]

You are cooked as fuck

[hidden moth]

replacing addon tracking with ingame tracking is the same fucking thing tbh

ur still tracking the cds somehow either it be gladiator lossa yelling "ray of frost" in ur ear or the game making some loud ass sound que of some ray of frost noise

improved garote active

[potent pivot]

I’m just tired of seeing the cope that “addons bad” as an excuse for why someone is bad at the game

[hidden moth]

normal garote active and on cd

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much man.

[hidden moth]

normal garote active

[potent pivot]

Accept that you are bad at the game and move on

[halcyon timber]

People aren’t going to improve . Just feels like a bunch of HOA karens running around

[potent pivot]

[tight hill]

pretty sure they have diff spell ids

[hidden moth]

garote bout to fall and in the epidemic range @broken otter

[potent pivot]

They do have different spell ids

[hidden moth]

doesnt tell u to reup it at >6 seconds if its imp gar up

[broken otter]

Just interested in a specific flag I can use myself. I don't want an existing weakaura, I want to modify my own custom one

[halcyon timber]

Wish blizz would just contract the addon dev guys and call it a day but that aint happening either

[broken otter]

as to whether its emp or not

[hidden moth]

can just rip it out the pack and customize it ur self

or rip it out the pack to figure out the spell ids

[broken otter]

Aight thanks

[jolly sierra]

what

[broken otter]

Ill have to look into it later

[hidden moth]

i linked the w/a pack

so he can get the stuff he wanted from it

[jolly sierra]

ahhh gotcha, thought was a mucho texto random

[hidden moth]

mucho texto rando starting with !wa

lol

[jolly sierra]

wait

this is this looks like in my phone

XD

[hidden moth]

this is what i see lol

[jolly sierra]

ye, basically android issue

i blame the phone

[hidden moth]

true

[stoic spruce]

Would make it more competitive for sureeee

Can I get Gladiator with one button rotation?? 🤯 🤯 🤯 😱 😱 😱 😱

[halcyon timber]

People that aren’t good aren’t going to play better

[stoic spruce]

They're gonna play worse

You're right

[errant ibex]

I want to tinker with pvp and solo shuffle and I'm 679 pve gear...the pvp tier is it the exact same as pve or does it have more stam?

[halcyon timber]

Then blame something else

[stoic spruce]

The player

[halcyon timber]

As a result

[stoic spruce]

I already am

[jolly sierra]

u can get one w a controller

lol

[halcyon timber]

Not you popo . I mean they will then move to blame something else

[jolly sierra]

oh no, more

cuz it got buffed

[stoic spruce]

Oh okay. I was about to say YOU blame something else because I already did lol

[spring bough]

They will blame blizz and quit

[stoic spruce]

Have you played with a controller?

[jolly sierra]

i have not enough options

so no for now

lol

[stoic spruce]

Whoever yall are talking about, they can blame me

Mad cuz bad

[stoic spruce]

You ever play MK?

[halcyon timber]

They shouldn’t do this goofy crusade

[jolly sierra]

used to

[halcyon timber]

Some bum will still cry about being out of combat getting sapped

[stoic spruce]

It's like that

Imagine getting sapped 7 minutes into an arena 💀

I miss blind sap

Now I gotta use a cringe 3rd cc

[halcyon timber]

Same bums who are making this crusade are the same who cried about us

“Make it more fair “ aka i cannot pay attention to shit

[stoic spruce]

It's the same. Just use the lacquer to scale it in pvp

[potent pivot]

you're genuinely cooked if you think these things

[stoic spruce]

Not my fault you can't play without addons

[potent pivot]

so dumb

they want to replace addons with their own features, their features will just suck

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

if you really think the people that have been pvping since before addons were a thing are magically going to suck after that, you are missing some cells in the brain

[stoic spruce]

Maybe not them

But that's a very small and fringe demographic

[potent pivot]

you are cringe bro

i cba

[stoic spruce]

Well

We'll see how it goes when you play with blizzards shitty UI and all of a sudden you're not as good as you thought

[potent pivot]

you sound cringe

[stoic spruce]

If you played for the last 20 years I literally excluded you but you wanted to go this route

[potent pivot]

"it won't effect me so i'm fine with it"

[jolly sierra]

dude tbh, the only thing i would accept from them is their AWC interface

[potent pivot]

i'm not even talking about me

[jolly sierra]

else don't think would accept their features

[potent pivot]

in any sense of this conversation

[halcyon timber]

Its just a shitty HOA argument

[potent pivot]

like saying this is just cringe as fuck in the scope of the entire community "it won't effect me so haha get good"

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

Get better

[potent pivot]

when 90% of people disagree

[stoic spruce]

90% of people don't know what they want and all the forums and wowhead are proof of it.

[potent pivot]

you sound like a wowhead commenter though

[stoic spruce]

I haven't been to the forums since this change was announced tbf

[halcyon timber]

Its a shit place

[stoic spruce]

I'm not shocked

If I have to read ranged tank again idk what I'm gonna do.

[halcyon timber]

The people who don’t use defensives and say they “randomly died” are everywhere

Yeah the tank posts piss me off too

Leave outlaw alone

Cut the crap

[stoic spruce]

I love to hate read the outlaw requests

The remove the rtb posts are always good

[dark kernel]

Can we go back to crying about outlaw

Because I'm still sad

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/the-croods-grug-hold-on-in-a-minute-impatient-gif-8961954172930655652

[halcyon timber]

Remove rtb is weird af

[stoic spruce]

Resources are tied to it so I can't imagine not having it.

Though I doubt they know that

[halcyon timber]

“BRinG bAcK cOmbAT” shit posting

[stoic spruce]

They want SS ×5 into slice and dice

Eviscerate every now and then

[tight hill]

eh i leveled a rogue on classic recently... goddamn that rotation is mind numbing

[halcyon timber]

XD

[tight hill]

occasional riposte

[stoic spruce]

And, somehow, if by a joke by God at our expense, we actually get it. They'd say it's not what they wanted.

It's so ass right?

I can't believe I played that garbage back then

[halcyon timber]

Oh the shitters will continue to peddle their nonsense def agreed

[tight hill]

idk i think some classes in classic are fun to play, combat rogue is not one of them lol

[stoic spruce]

WoD made me realize I wasted time playing rogue when they changed the CP

[halcyon timber]

Same w the goons who think redirect means they would buff damage

Actual dumb posts

[stoic spruce]

Lord have mercy

There's one guy in the forums

[halcyon timber]

There are plenty i absolutely loathe

Very self centered agendas

[stoic spruce]

Idr his name but after everything he posts, he puts 🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♂️

And it irritates me lol

A couple of his takes are alright though

From what I remember

I wish he was here

[halcyon timber]

Personal choices should always be the aim of what we do. Not “only does x “

Im curious what they are doing to Outlaw since they mentioned it a lot

[stoic spruce]

You know how devs have a private test server where they can test spell changes and whatnot?

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw is cool

Yeah the devland stuff

[stoic spruce]

I'd pay to use some of that for personal use

[spring bough]

Was rogue fun in Panda pvp?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[halcyon timber]

Warcraft editor is what they use and they upgrade it a lot. Not any different than URE and such.

[jolly sierra]

yes, its funny to play panda in pvp

[spring bough]

Would be fun to have sprint remove roots again

[stoic spruce]

Real

That was a weird time

Where blizz would give a pvp talent that reduced the effectiveness but decreased the CD of the ability

[spring bough]

Panda might be fun gonna be an OP class

[jolly sierra]

burst of speed was crazy af

[hidden moth]

rtb?

[halcyon timber]

Roll the bones

Bozos in forums are constantly attempting hijacking our class for personal agendas

[hidden moth]

ah

i remember a rogue io played 2019 clasic with sayting rtb killed the spec and he hated how rng it made it

he was dog shit though

[halcyon timber]

Dynamic gameplay is good, yeah when things don’t pan out well it can be frustrating

Just like shadow techniques, far better than the old crap we had years ago.

[hidden moth]

can we get this

ranged autos would be nice for raid keys etc

[potent pivot]

we have that

[halcyon timber]

Really wasn’t a fan

[hidden moth]

the ranged auto attacks?

[halcyon timber]

The super throw in bfa was ridiculous too

[potent pivot]

oh ranged autos

ew idk

[hidden moth]

it kinda makes sense

[potent pivot]

i'd just appreciate shuriken toss and poison knife doing real damage

[hidden moth]

and would be nice for mechs u have to move out for

true

[potent pivot]

same goes for all builders though

all builders are way too weak

[hidden moth]

isnt toss just supposed to be a gap close

u hit em with it so they get crip

[halcyon timber]

I can appreciate talents that help but yeah

[potent pivot]

thats how its used now

but it should do damage

[hidden moth]

i was sayin that

[hidden moth]

aggreed

even blind side ambushes feel weak af

[potent pivot]

it does like 25% of a backstabs damage or something

poison knife does like 25% of a mutilate

and both of those spells are far weaker than they should be

we can push up to 6-7m envenoms

but they just let mutilate do 200k

[halcyon timber]

Cultist ideas of “only finishers” is what has gimped us

[potent pivot]

imagine if mutilate did 800k-1m

[halcyon timber]

Would be sick

[potent pivot]

and max envenom was tuned down to be 2-3m

[halcyon timber]

The zealots would freak tf out

[potent pivot]

[sick wasp]

Watching AWC?

think ive never seen more thrilling games

[potent pivot]

i haven't been paying attention to the brackets

is this the guantlet/loser bracket rn?

didn't echo lose yesterday

[sick wasp]

was grand finals EU

[potent pivot]

so they came back from gauntlet and won the whole thing?

[sick wasp]

yes dropped down to losers

[potent pivot]

lmfao

[sick wasp]

went back to finals

and won

[potent pivot]

[sick wasp]

now 1-4

[potent pivot]

hellyeah

[sick wasp]

whaazz is a literal god

[potent pivot]

i've been too busy

i'm glad they clutched it back and won the tourney

hype

[sick wasp]

they improved a gr8 deal since yday,whaazz literally snapped on fuseton

raiku played like a boss

mehhx just outhealed everything

amazing games

holysht havent felt this nice for pvp in a while

[potent pivot]

whazz got a shadowcraft proc

strike->evis->sec tech

GfuckingG

[agile kite]

Kinda niche question but I’m going weedtylers build

Do I ever press rupture, if so when?

And black powder also seems unlikely

[potent pivot]

Rupture is good

You’ll basically never press powder

You can take it off your bars

Anytime you need to spin a big crowd from capping you can use shuriken storm

[spring egret]

newbie here: what is the go-to-specc if i wanna do shuffle and rnd bgs? its just an alt so no knowledge of speccs/differences in playstiles

*y

sub or can i do assa too?

[potent pivot]

You can play whichever spec you want to for the most part

Depends on your goals

[spring egret]

like 1,8-2k in shuffle

[potent pivot]

Sub and assa are both quite good

You can do okay as outlaw too but it’s fallen off a little this season

Sub is mainly about bursting and CDR on dance

Assa is basically just bleed upkeep

[hidden moth]

from my experience assa is easier to learn than sub

but tbh i would say rogue is one of the hardest classes to play in wow when compared to the rest but dont let that deter u as its very fun

[languid ravine]

theres an assa rogue in my lobby against two Dark Iron Dwarf Rets lmao

[hidden moth]

gg on his 0-6 lobby

[potent pivot]

Lmfao

That’s a feelsbadman

[surreal leaf]

o/

[hidden moth]

welcome

[surreal leaf]

Hello hello! did not know class discord exist XD

[hidden moth]

alot dont, if u got questions or memes or w/e just send it here

tricks will sort it out right buddy?

[jolly sierra]

bring back deadly throw

w interrupt

[hidden moth]

true

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

[stoic spruce]

Most dont

It's a secret society

[languid ravine]

-queue 2200, games start to get decent
-queue pops, get hype
-queue decline, wait another 30 mins
-its a fucking honor gear resto shaman

[stoic spruce]

How yall look waiting for queues

[languid ravine]

you know the worst part

[stoic spruce]

What's that

[languid ravine]

the worst part is we fought a shadow priest BOT and still our Windwalker managed to be more stupid than that bot

exaggerating ofcourse but not by much

[errant ibex]

would you guys consider sub or assa more beginner friendly of the rogue specs for solo shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

assa

[stoic spruce]

Assa

[jolly sierra]

def

sub its like punishing yourself

saying that

[stoic spruce]

No competition

[potent pivot]

most people would say assa, but it can depend

[jolly sierra]

no, no room for argument

[errant ibex]

xD

[jolly sierra]

sub is awful without coordinated matches or exp

u will perform good as sub if u already know the class

else

xd

[errant ibex]

so i can just play it like pve kinda, bleed everything and send a go, but kidney healer

[potent pivot]

nah

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

sub always suffers in zug matches

cuz ppl doesn't let them sap

lol

[potent pivot]

its just as popular as assa in shuffle this season

[jolly sierra]

popular =/= confort

[potent pivot]

if you've never played a bleed spec before

but you've played a burst spec

sub isn't hard to learn

thats why i literally said

"most people would say assa, but it can depend"

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

idk

still w that

[potent pivot]

i've met many people

[jolly sierra]

rog is the least played class

[potent pivot]

who thought tracking bleeds was too difficult to keep up with

compared to proper dance usage

[jolly sierra]

rlly

[potent pivot]

ye

[jolly sierra]

how tf

lemme see something

[potent pivot]

i think rogue as a whole is one of the hardest classes in the game

but each spec has its own version of difficulty

[jolly sierra]

there are a lot of subs at 1k6-1k7

but its equalized at 1k8+ it seems

according to drustvar

seems like even if they can play

its still difficult

if the amount drops in 1k8+

[potent pivot]

It’s about equal

There’s more at lower rating because it’s perceived to be the best spec right now

So more people trying rogue are going sub

This is usually the case with assa

[jolly sierra]

sounds like they are getting baited

if they sticks there

[potent pivot]

Nah

[stoic spruce]

They haven't met Mr. Disarm enough

[potent pivot]

This is normally how assa looks

So that type of logic/argument is fighting itself

[jolly sierra]

dont think so, assa its way easier in uncoordinated brackets like SS

[potent pivot]

…

It’s just different types of perceived difficulty

[jolly sierra]

get a rest for a couple of hours dude

u are overstressing yourself

lol

[potent pivot]

I’m perfectly fine lol

It’s just like I’m talking to a wall

[jolly sierra]

rlly? looked like popo gave u a headache

[potent pivot]

When does he not?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[potent pivot]

All I’m saying is that “assa is easiest for you or me or xyz” doesn’t make it true for everyone

Hence why I said “most people will say assa”

[jolly sierra]

assa is more forgiving in mistakes than sub

all has exceptions

[potent pivot]

Idk why you feel the need to disagree with things I say so vehemently sometimes as if I’m lying or something

[jolly sierra]

but that is common knowledge, trickz

you said himself once than rog was easy af to get 1k8

ofc, for veteran players

but not for newcomers

so all has exceptions

[hidden moth]

restealth vanish bad time in assa or bad set up

more punishing bc ur access to cheap shot etc is alot more limited than sub

[potent pivot]

We practically agree but you still chimed in “no, no room for argument”

Like

[jolly sierra]

ofc, if assa is always the easiest one for newcomers in pvp

[potent pivot]

Not always

[jolly sierra]

always

[potent pivot]

But I cba

[hidden moth]

tbh outlaw may be easier bc its just hold w

[spring bough]

first time im playing arms war this season and its the easist thing ever

[jolly sierra]

tbh i had issues w outlaw in cd coordination

w the buffs

[potent pivot]

Outlaw presses everything on cd

[jolly sierra]

ye but u can play more without stealth

sub doesn't

[potent pivot]

It can be considered easy unless fast paced gcd is difficult for the person

Different strokes for different folks

[jolly sierra]

funniest shit is than i am googling

[potent pivot]

🔥

[jolly sierra]

and ppl in forums and fkn gpt says than assa its the easiest

for both pvp and pve

[potent pivot]

No one cares what forums or ai says

[spring bough]

i feel like i prress 2 buttons take no dmg and things die

[potent pivot]

Yeah and every global trucks, it’s fun

[jolly sierra]

reddit

[potent pivot]

Bro

These things are all opinion based

[jolly sierra]

another one

[potent pivot]

I do not care

[hidden moth]

hit 1800 this week on arms after a break lol

easy as shit

[jolly sierra]

more

[potent pivot]

🔥

[potent pivot]

I’m going to start deleting these

[hidden moth]

2-3 mil excutes with every gcd hitting for 1 mil

[potent pivot]

Chill out

[hidden moth]

5 months ago

[jolly sierra]

well, its still on topic

[hidden moth]

is season 2 even that old

[jolly sierra]

its s1

there is too much difference?

[potent pivot]

There’s no reason to spam forum pictures of people’s opinions

[jolly sierra]

we are arguing here

its the reason

xd

[potent pivot]

You’re trying to prove something as 100% fact that is entirely opinion based

[jolly sierra]

trickz, every time i say something to u

u drop "its just ur opinion" card

every time

[potent pivot]

So stop starting arguments

About dumb stuff

[jolly sierra]

stop answering me then xd

if u know how i argue

don't waste the time

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

[jolly sierra]

[spring bough]

is there a reason so many warriors are gnomes for solos** lol

[potent pivot]

ye gnome is the play for warr

[spring bough]

why would i need to make a gnome lol

[jolly sierra]

artist escapist

or whatever its called in english

[spring bough]

what even is that

[jolly sierra]

escape artist

that

[spring bough]

i dontt wanna make a gnome looool

[jolly sierra]

go orc

then

kek

[potent pivot]

you don't have to go gnome

[spring bough]

sticking to my orc XD

[potent pivot]

i play human on my warr

[jolly sierra]

ME WARRIOR

ME SMASH

[spring bough]

might make a kul tiran one cause why not

[potent pivot]

gnome is just the best option since the main thing you play for is uptime

[spring bough]

feel like i got a ton of it as orc still

[potent pivot]

ye i don't think you really feel properly punished until like 2.2-2.4k lobbies

wherever you actually run into people properly spam rooting/slowing you etc

low lobbies as warr it feels like you're using cheats

[spring bough]

yeah its kinda stupid easy

ignore pain is OP

ima try playing as colossus

[jolly sierra]

ppl goes mad if you do bladestorm inside a stun

[potent pivot]

you should try the execute build

slayer hero tree

[spring bough]

i did my first lobby as that

was too ez

[potent pivot]

drop rend, drop thunder clap

[spring bough]

same build just went colossus hero talents lol

im not using rend or clap

[potent pivot]

i think if you play colossus you play clap/rend etc

[spring bough]

yeah they do i just wanted to see what it feels like

[potent pivot]

at least thats how it was split when i was playing

[spring bough]

wasnt fury top for a minute? now they like dead last on solo lol

[potent pivot]

until a few weeks ago yeah

they nerfed fury's MS

its still viable but arms just trucks

[spring bough]

looks like its pretty good in keys too

[jolly sierra]

the most annoying thing about warr imo

its the execute

ive seen a lot of ppl randomly dying by 4m executes

when i tried to defend my comps

[languid ravine]

that was me sorry

and all my teammates

[jolly sierra]

its like "ohhh its at half HP"

1 sec later execute

me: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[languid ravine]

I ve seen a guy die to a 4milllion(!) Overwhelm

not even execute with fatal mark lol

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[hidden moth]

i saw a 5mil chaos bolt the other day

4.7 mil but close enough

[jolly sierra]

ye, that happens

specially after precog

my addons says

"precognition

CHAOS BOLT
CHAOS BOLT"

round lost

[spring bough]

sounds like you got smoked

might level my lock to pvp with now XD

[hidden moth]

tbh

aff>destro>demo

from a fun standpoint

[hidden moth]

1 gilded crest for doing solo shuffle is actually cringe

[languid ravine]

15 crests required for one upgrade, one Delve gives 7, two Delves give 14, 15 is bigger than 14

thats also cringe

[hidden moth]

delves are ass so

meh

was timing +8s on my assa rogue this season at 630 ilvl

just would be nice to get more than 1 crest

[languid ravine]

I ve played like 8 lobbies and only one was actually fun

just would be noce to get more than 1 fun lobby

ah fuckit i m uninstalling again

byeeeeeeeeeee

[halcyon timber]

Meanwhile my friend says he “never sees that” and he presses space bar a lot panicking as destruction and blames others for not peeling

“Addons ruin the game” as he uses every single one and says he doesn’t have time to react (burns all his shit constantly)

[hidden moth]

lmfaooo

issue of addons being

"i dont wana install shit outside the game to the game"

just

blizzard pay dbm and w/a addon workers

and make it base game

legit if ur adding the files to the game

just fucking put them into the base install

problem solved

[halcyon timber]

Def agree, just contract the dudes and call it a day.

[hybrid palm]

not at all, current gameplay with addons is like playing counter strike with everyone seeing through walls. that's not gaming. Especially, when some players don't choose to use those wall hacks (addons)

[potent pivot]

some people that choose to play without addons do perfectly fine. you are coping man idk how else to tell you.

[languid ravine]

playing without addons is the equivalent of playing Counter-Terrorist but you dont hear when the bomb is planted

or gunshots lol

[hybrid palm]

then why so much resistance to a no addon world 😄

[potent pivot]

because it won't be "no addons"

[languid ravine]

because the idea is stupid and dumb

[potent pivot]

it will be blizzard replacing addons with their own addons

[hybrid palm]

stupid and dumb ?

[languid ravine]

its literally trying to fix what isnt broken

[potent pivot]

which will most likely be dogshit

i think you misunderstand what their plan is entirely

[hybrid palm]

maybe i do

[potent pivot]

their plan is to make their own blizzard versions of addons

to do the same stuff the addons do

the issue everyone has with that, is that blizzard will likely just make much, much worse versions of everything

look at the new cooldown manager compared to addons. its terrible.

[hybrid palm]

umm, in the note they issued, their intent was to remove tracking addons on party on enemy + some other stuff

[potent pivot]

someone made an addon to fix blizzard's addon

[hybrid palm]

they never said they wanted to replace it

they talked about absolute change in what's tracked

[potent pivot]

which no one wants

[hybrid palm]

i do

i dont want enemy cds to be tracked

i don't think that's fair

for no add on users

and i dont use addons

which brings me back to the counter strike example

it's like seeing through walls

[potent pivot]

you are less than 10% of the playerbase

those are part of the "proposed changes" as well btw

not whats already planned on coming for sure

[hybrid palm]

maybe blizzard gets feedback about the addon space which no one is aware of, and they are acting on it

[potent pivot]

nah

these addons have been around decades

people who actually play the game

do not want these proposed changes

[hybrid palm]

doesn't matter

[potent pivot]

???

[hybrid palm]

ppl playing high end pvp on other games

might want to enter

[potent pivot]

no

[hybrid palm]

but discouraged by this setup

[potent pivot]

go actually play the game

and you will see

[hybrid palm]

i play it

i see it

tracking enemy CDs is not gaming

[potent pivot]

there are literally thousands of comments

[hybrid palm]

and till now, nobody has conviced me otherwise

[potent pivot]

of people not wanting the 'proposed changes'

[hybrid palm]

it's the ones entrenched in the system

[potent pivot]

nah

[hybrid palm]

if they love they game they'll stay

[potent pivot]

the changes will just fuck the game

[hybrid palm]

nope

[potent pivot]

and people know it

[hybrid palm]

how will it ?

give me a concrete example

[potent pivot]

it ruins coordination

[hybrid palm]

what coordiation ?

[potent pivot]

coordination between players

[hybrid palm]

explain how ?

[potent pivot]

like i said

go actually play the game

[hybrid palm]

😄

[potent pivot]

anything group based requires coordination

[hybrid palm]

you answered my question by deflection 😄

[potent pivot]

because you would know the answer if you played the game

[hybrid palm]

i play the game sir

[potent pivot]

you've played m+?

[hybrid palm]

yes

[potent pivot]

2v2 or 3v3?

raid?

[hybrid palm]

yes

[potent pivot]

i'm skeptical

[hybrid palm]

none of the changes affect raid

[potent pivot]

yes they do

[hybrid palm]

how ?

[potent pivot]

bro

[hybrid palm]

tell me how with a concrete example

don't bro 😄

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-gif-3494311

[potent pivot]

i will give you multiple

[hybrid palm]

so ?

[hybrid palm]

ya not a big deal, small adjustments

so ?

how is this comparatable to no enemy CD tracking in pvp 😄

[potent pivot]

you are so cooked i cba

[hybrid palm]

no enemy cd tracking in pvp = win

[potent pivot]

i'm really trying not to be mean here

thinking addons tracking enemy CDs effects you genuinely sounds like a cop out of not having the skill to properly react/knowledge of what to do in situations

[hybrid palm]

i get what you're saying, but it's not true

[potent pivot]

it is

[hybrid palm]

nope

[potent pivot]

people can see when you press CDs without addons

[hybrid palm]

nope

[potent pivot]

for 70% of things

literally yes

if you kick their healer? they know your kick is gone for 15 seconds

if you press shadow dance? you turn purple

[hybrid palm]

well, my thoughts are not entirely from personal experience, im not looking to go professional in the game, it's purely based on how a video game should be played

it can't be played with full information

[potent pivot]

which just isn't true

[hybrid palm]

let's see that world

[potent pivot]

all games are different

[hybrid palm]

to answer that question

[potent pivot]

this isn't CSGO

this is wow

[hybrid palm]

i don't play CS

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

its an example you used earlier with wall hacks or w/e

[hybrid palm]

let's see that world, before we arrive at a conclusion

im sure if it's so bad, blizzard will revert

[potent pivot]

there's a high chance it never even happens

[halcyon timber]

Literally was about to say that

[potent pivot]

as i said, these are 'proposed changes'

[hybrid palm]

yup

but i stay on the side of the fence of no pvp addons

[potent pivot]

that means they aren't firm

[hybrid palm]

whether it happens or not

[potent pivot]

when they see the community backlash, maybe they'll do the smart thing and drop it

or hire the addon developers to put it into the base game properly

[hybrid palm]

let's see that

maybe there is no backlash

[potent pivot]

there is though

[hybrid palm]

only blizzard can evuluate that

we can't

[potent pivot]

since the day the spoke of the proposed changes there has been massive conversations about how bad it'd be

[hybrid palm]

what conversations 😄

[potent pivot]

forums, youtube videos, etc

[halcyon timber]

Forums and here and other places

[hybrid palm]

i ve seen many conversations where they say it's a good thing

[potent pivot]

the only addons that are 100% going away right now are things like DBM and Details, which blizzard is going to make baseline in the game

those are good things

the new proposed changes are not

[halcyon timber]

Fishing through a sea of buffs isn’t

[hybrid palm]

fishing through your own buffs, sure go ahead...... fishing through enemy buffs ? Na

[languid ravine]

why Details though? when somebody asks "wtf happened" are we just supposed to shrug?

[halcyon timber]

Seeing a healer in a cyclone and not stopping it (people will do no matter what) then blaming the healer when the same monkey leaped behind a wall

[potent pivot]

you can literally do that already

without addons

[hybrid palm]

sure, let people who can do it then

but don't have addons for it

[hidden moth]

im just saying

seeing my allys cds

affects if i trinket in shuffle

[halcyon timber]

Its useful yeah

[hidden moth]

esp when healing

[potent pivot]

this is why i say there's no way you play the game

crazy takes man

[hybrid palm]

if someone can see for instance deathmark cast by an assa rogue without addon, sure, let him 😄

[hidden moth]

my hunters in trouble and im in a 3 second cyclone

[halcyon timber]

Same time, some jokers don’t use their cds at all and then blame everyone else regardless of addons or not

[hidden moth]

oh he has survival of fit

i can hold trinket bc he should pres that defensive

[halcyon timber]

Rets not bop/ ds’ing

[hidden moth]

these chagnes go through

ur healers in shuffle will go from what they are to 1/8th

[halcyon timber]

tHe gAmE sUckS - same people

[hybrid palm]

the Whole point is seeing other people shouldn't affect you. it's not meant to be a perfect information game. you're talking counter strike with walling

learn how to play a video game, not a script

[potent pivot]

full copium

[hybrid palm]

not at all

[languid ravine]

you ll still play a script, just a different more gambley script

mate

[hybrid palm]

im suprised there's so much resistance to lack of inforation in the game

it only re-affirms my beliefs

[hidden moth]

i cant see my teammates in couhtnerstrike?

[hybrid palm]

does it affect boosting or something or win trading 😄

[hidden moth]

u dont have a mini map?

u can see them in cod

and valorant

[potent pivot]

it should really show you that you are wrong. wrong as fuck lmao

[hidden moth]

maybe seeing what cds the enemy has off cooldown i can see not tracking that

[languid ravine]

less information makes it harder to analyze wintrading too btw

[hidden moth]

but not being able to see ACTIVE COOLDOWNS ON THE ENEMY

[potent pivot]

if all addons were stripped away, the good players would only feel even better than they do now. people learning the game would have 10x a worse time learning.

[hidden moth]

that war raped me justy then hmmm ig he poped avatarr and reck but i had no way of seeing that he did

[hybrid palm]

this is not true, purely conjecture

i am a new player btw

[potent pivot]

its 100% true

[hybrid palm]

only 2 seasons old

[hidden moth]

i can tell

[halcyon timber]

Kek

[potent pivot]

you're a new player who has a hard on against addons

you are not a regular new player

i have taught and coached probably hundreds of new players by now

[hybrid palm]

taught me too

[potent pivot]

and legit none of them had this weird anti addon opinion

all games are different man

[hidden moth]

all my friends i get into the game

[potent pivot]

some games vehemently ban any plug ins/addons. some games openly embrace them.

[halcyon timber]

Anti rogue propaganda for warlock fueled dreams

[hidden moth]

ask about how to do this and the other and i just let them find addons with my suggestiona nd the yu all say the game is ass without them

[potent pivot]

WoW is a game that has always embraced them if they were not ACTUALLY cheating

[hidden moth]

if u want a mmo without addons

go play ff14

[halcyon timber]

Devs could have hired on the addon guys years ago. People would have found something else to get pissed about either way.

[languid ravine]

yeah, FF14 where everyone has such a great time and nobody uses addons ever 😄

[halcyon timber]

Ff was “ok”

[hybrid palm]

i still feel no addon gaming = best. how was pvp before addons ? there must have been that world

[halcyon timber]

The anti cc 10sec bullshit really killed pvp there

[hidden moth]

no

addons were in the game

[hybrid palm]

since day 1 "

[hidden moth]

at launch basically

[hybrid palm]

?

[halcyon timber]

Always has been

[hybrid palm]

really

[hidden moth]

yes

[halcyon timber]

Ye ol days of wowmatrix

[hybrid palm]

we're talking 2005 or so ?

[hidden moth]

DBM was the fix for blizz not actually having mechanic timers or any ability showing for boss mechancics

2004

questie tom tom other addons

[halcyon timber]

Leatrix / bongos / quartz / all sorts of shit existed back then

[hybrid palm]

no i mean, specifically pvp addons, tracking enemy Cds

[halcyon timber]

Shadowed unit frames

[hybrid palm]

i dont have a problem with addons, i have a problem enemy tracking addons

[hidden moth]

dbm is a tracking addon

it tracks boss cds

boss is enemy

[halcyon timber]

Dunno but it isn’t “needed” to do well

[hidden moth]

enemy cds

some used them in arena in tbc

but same time the game was so diff

[halcyon timber]

The reason some jackass gets sapped for screwing around in bear form isn’t bc of enemy tracking

[hidden moth]

people have 2 button rotatioins in classic

vs how many buttons does assa press just to do dam not including defensives cc util etc

[halcyon timber]

Yeah we aren’t going to the past in any form and we heard that from the main man himself

[hidden moth]

^

[halcyon timber]

So buckle up

[hidden moth]

issue is blizz developed the game with addons fully intended to help it and they got lazy to the point

[hybrid palm]

i still stand against enemy tracking addons 😄

[halcyon timber]

Inspirations of the past yes but no “true” versions of the past

[hidden moth]

the game was broken and then players had to fix it

[potent pivot]

then don't use them and go play the game

[hidden moth]

tbh i dont use tracking addons for enemys

[hybrid palm]

i do, and sometimes i feel miserable 😄

[hidden moth]

i dont see cd duration left of avatars cooldown

[halcyon timber]

Same. Just use me eyes

[potent pivot]

that isn't because of addons

[hidden moth]

i just use a addon that lets me know they used it

[halcyon timber]

Yeah any nameplate addon for organization instead of shit show base ui

[hidden moth]

kui is so nice

so many debuffs its impossible to track my own

do i have garote up

[halcyon timber]

I just made my elv to do mostly everything. Really dig the clean set up

And tell me when for dr tracking

[hidden moth]

hmmm i see 1 up out of 30 debuffs but is it mine

[halcyon timber]

Yeah hate seeing a sea of debuffs

[spring bough]

cant wait for my one button rotation

[hidden moth]

i havnt tried tell me when

[halcyon timber]

40 minions gang fucking your screen

[spring bough]

ima just smash my mouse button and delete people

[potent pivot]

i'm ready to see how high it'll go

any bets?

[halcyon timber]

1.3s gcd yeah?

[potent pivot]

yeah lmao

[halcyon timber]

Cannot be hasted i assume

[hidden moth]

1800 minimum

[halcyon timber]

Maybe bm / ele yeah

[potent pivot]

if you have a hasted gcd it'll just add the .3s

so like 1.1s for outlaw during ADR i'd assume

[halcyon timber]

Warrs already do it as they smash their head into the keyboard so nothing changes

Aff prob would do it well too

[potent pivot]

it'll still take personal skill to use CC/CDs

so i expect 2k minimum depending on how the rotations are tuned

if its only -30% of maximum dps like its supposed to be

[halcyon timber]

Its like the bozos who want tbc flying to fly fast like sky riding

[hidden moth]

aff and assa rogue had the most issue

[potent pivot]

some people don't like sky riding

[hidden moth]

they tested it and their dps was that of auto attacking

[potent pivot]

which blows my mind

[spring bough]

2400 no doubt

[halcyon timber]

I believe it man

[hidden moth]

the rotation couldnt handle dot specs very well

[potent pivot]

i doubt it ngl

[halcyon timber]

Fuckin love sky riding

[potent pivot]

especially for outlaw the 1button is insanely bad

[halcyon timber]

Already “dynamically” tried to fly through shit before that

[halcyon timber]

Inb4 “i can’t climb bc using 1 button isn’t fair vs people who actually use their abilities” forum posts

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i didn’t have diminish work back when the original guy stopped developing it and found TMW could do DRs and that is all i use it for

[potent pivot]

was actually curious, does tmw use the icon of the last CC used, or just your own spec's version of the spell?

[halcyon timber]

Yeah custom IDs using the filter option to make it only pop up like cheap / blind etc

[hidden moth]

imagineb having cc be such a integral part of the game pvp and pve wise and u dont even have a way to track it in game

without some random making an ADDON to FIX it

[halcyon timber]

No sorting through incap / sap / imprison bs memorizing shit

[potent pivot]

okay thats sick i might be sold

is there a way to import/export them?

[halcyon timber]

Yeah id send you my profile but yeah

[potent pivot]

if you can DM it to me sometime i'll try it out

[halcyon timber]

Easy to set up

[hidden moth]

tmw?

[potent pivot]

tellmewhen

[hidden moth]

link this shit for me 2 plz

[halcyon timber]

Ill do it when i get a chance for sure . I dont have my stuff with me as I am visiting family

[halcyon timber]

Tell me when

[potent pivot]

no rush

[halcyon timber]

I dunno what other people use it for but I was hooked when i set up DR trackers

[potent pivot]

i'll install tmw sometime and play with it in the meantime

most people use it as a replacement for WAs

[halcyon timber]

Yeah there is a box to say like “diminishing returns / dr” to track and then you custom set it up

[potent pivot]

its basically the same thing, just watered down a bit

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

I just WA for hand painted textures for shit to make my interface more RPG like

Like blades CD and smoke vfx etc. i don’t do the crazy shit

[spring bough]

no matter how many alts i play i always end up back on rogue

what should the next race be for the next rogue lol

[potent pivot]

highmountain

[halcyon timber]

Bull rush + 4x grapple + blade rush xD

[hidden moth]

can also do void elf for similar

throw it at a flag, cc someone tp to it and bomb cap

[halcyon timber]

That would be sick too

Some bozo - when did rogues get that???? Nerf them

Kinda like the goons freaking out about “double smoke bomb” claiming it was a hack when it was Cloud Cover as a fake to see if they would use cds

[spring bough]

i got a highmountain im leveling now should finish it

his name is lawfultauren lol

might do a horde earthen too

[languid ravine]

you better be prepared at very smug people thinking they are so clever when they call you awfultauren

[gleaming sentinel]

Once you've driven a ferrari, probably weird to drive a normal car

[jolly sierra]

name him "bainewithguts"

[warped gate]

QUICK WHATS SQUISHIEST ROGUE SPEC

4s

[halcyon timber]

The one who doesn’t use cds

[spring bough]

bout to name my earthern Stonedrogue

[warped gate]

Looks like the Assa Rogue wins the lobby.

[errant ibex]

you guys have any good reccomendations for pvp platter? for some reason all the pve ones want ot show everythign under the sun, was hoping for something minimal

just shows teh essentials

[warped gate]

The Sub Rogue was a douchecopter and just ignored the target calls in the beginning.

And the Assa Rogue just beat ass, full stop.

Sweet mog too.

[halcyon timber]

Check the pins in this channel. May find a direct link there

[errant ibex]

it just shows the list of addons unfortunately

[halcyon timber]

A lot of guys use better blizz plates

[errant ibex]

that an addon or profile?

[halcyon timber]

I just use Elv and some use KUI i believe (some set up required though). Better Blizz Plates has some presets/ profiles you can use iirc. Prob can find plater / elv profiles as well pretty easily. All depends what interests you man

[dark kernel]

Arms war is real close for me

[potent pivot]

It’s an addon

Highly recommend

[gleaming sentinel]

enjoying assa atm

[errant ibex]

i do ahve it now, thanks gents

now, any leads on a weak aura that like blows a horn or somethign when the enemy pops their big go buttons?

i tried teea danger alerts, but i get some core aura missing error and apparently its been a whiel since any udpates lol

[potent pivot]

Use BigDebuffs

I don’t think anyone has been updating public WA packs

There’s a good WA for when your healer is CC’d

[errant ibex]

i just imported that one lol

i suck ass but man rogue is fun lol

[potent pivot]

Rogue can be really hard at first compared to most classes

Just kidney someone on CD without DRing your kidney

Cheap shot during subterfuge

Etc

[gleaming pawn]

@potent pivot have you or Ivanrah done any work recently on a ST Fatebound build? I got really bored today and was tinkering, and while it's only single target on the dummy the burst feels good

KB doing 12-14m and Envenom doing 7-9.5m, but Zold is juicing those numbers a bit

[potent pivot]

i haven't, not since very early season

i know envenom can smack

but idk, the envenom builds haven't caught traction this season

[errant ibex]

lol man trying to kill an evoker as a new player is aids

its almost as bad as fighting a frost mage back in the day

[gleaming pawn]

Evoker itself just has a lot of escapes and healing, it's very dumb

[gleaming pawn]

it's probably just because I am so starved for actual damage that this feels good. I know it would probably suffer a lot or be more of a gimmick in a real match

[potent pivot]

it can be pretty good

no one expects globals that big from assa

[halcyon timber]

Kb ftw

[gleaming pawn]

I'm running this if you get as bored as me, and want to check it out
CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDewMzMMmZYAAAAAAY2MmtZAAAAAAollhxMMGmZWmlZmZmBzYmZMmZbbbMDDMwCMjRjZDktBsNA

I'd have to do more testing, but thinking of swapping AP out for Blindside. AP was picked out of habit but it really doesn't offer a whole lot in such a build

or move AP over to Carnage for more bleed spread out of stealth at least

[errant ibex]

are teh big burst classes this season the usual suspects? warriors, dks rets etc?

[potent pivot]

Almost every spec has half decent burst

Big ones right now are like ww, frost mage, feral, sub rogue

DK has okay burst but its not that scary

Arms warr can basically kill you whenever with an execute

[errant ibex]

lol

word

[stiff cedar]

Yeah that's a pretty good list. Ele cds do insane dps, so do dev cds, dh can hit you pretty hard but it's way more sustain than it used to be where they'd essence break and the death sweep would tick for 40% of your health, I could go on and on most specs as trickz said half at least half decent burst

[outer sky]

ok ive noticed combat doesnt drop against evokers for some reason

[red stag]

Is there a Mastery cap we try to aim for before moving to haste?

For assassination

[potent pivot]

nope

[grave basin]

Mop rogue was fun but burst of speed was too broken lol

Especially pre nerf it was like 15? Energy

Was BOS mop or wod??

Yea it was mop

Any1 else playing the beta?

[marble oasis]

Noooo

Burst of speed was totally and completely balanced 👀👀👀👀

Blizzard scouts nothing to see here

[spring bough]

Is it a fun rogue day

[halcyon timber]

Always a good day for rogue kind

[languid ravine]

today is griefed by Resto druid day

[ocean thunder]

Came back after some months and gearing seems a bit complicated.
Do I get conq chest/helm/legs/shoulders anc convert via catalyst? do we have enough? or do I get set pieces from RaidFinder and convert to pvp?
Is there something better?

[stoic spruce]

Is there anyone not running imp bte?

Hmmmm

I question its viability

With bte being nerfed alongside crit in pvp

[gusty hedge]

what?! when

[stoic spruce]

When they unnerfed ace

Remember?

Bte is pretty nerfed rn

[gusty hedge]

okay, thought another one was coming. I barely hit 1.2m bte on a good day

[stoic spruce]

Hmm

I also don't know where the extra talent point were to go without being on my rogue

[gusty hedge]

ima try swapping that talent out on mastery rogue to see the difference, never really noticed it was four times on crit strikes of bte only

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

I'd also try it but I don't play solo queue pvp

Also

Wanna know a secret?

[stoic spruce]

Did you see that?

[languid ravine]

oh god I saw that

that was cringe

you cant drip that

why did I have to look at discord at exactly that one second

[stoic spruce]

Dispose of the evidence

[languid ravine]

god why

[stoic spruce]

Forbidden knowledge is forbidden for a reason

[halcyon timber]

On your team or against you? I tend to pop tf out of them when people aren’t pushing cc

[languid ravine]

both

a day means half globally

or something

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i just have to smack them mfs or they pve heal too much

[languid ravine]

its not astrological

[halcyon timber]

XD

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHH

Hate solo shuffle

Dem queues man

I leave after 2 minutes lol

[halcyon timber]

Its what we get for people griping too much about class stacking

[languid ravine]

I could stand the queues if not 70% of lobbies would be throwaway trash

[halcyon timber]

Queues were fast then

[languid ravine]

its really unplayable

[stoic spruce]

It's like

It makes me want drastic changes to it

[languid ravine]

are you sure there is anti-class stacking in shuffle? my first game on windwalker there was two other windwalkers beside me lol

[halcyon timber]

People need to get better

[languid ravine]

and everybody was Kung Fu Fighting

[halcyon timber]

Not “supposed “ to be spec stacking from blizz posts

But yeah when it was the wild west, queues were fast af and people complained nonstop

[stoic spruce]

I think you mean spec

[halcyon timber]

Yeah spec

Frago on that

Edited to fix

[stoic spruce]

They should bring back tanks in healer spot for a week to see how that goes now that the honeymoon phase is over.

[halcyon timber]

I don’t “mind” queues too much as I like herbing and stuff to make potions but yeah it gets irritatinf for sure to earn back mmr / cr

Oh fuck tanks man

[stoic spruce]

Fast queues though

Cant deny

[languid ravine]

tanks need their own game mode, only tanks allowed

[halcyon timber]

Just bots running around doing jack shit

Tanks can piss off

[languid ravine]

thats what I m saying :^D

[stoic spruce]

The things I'd go through for fast queues are insurmountable

[halcyon timber]

Quality over quantity matches any day

[stoic spruce]

Spec stacking with tanks in healer roles

[halcyon timber]

Spec stacking would just get people to gripe again and we are back at this crap

[stoic spruce]

Let's not pretend solo shuffle isnt rated skirmish

[halcyon timber]

People just need to play better and stop letting cyclones go off

Just lfg swapped to shuffle blitz

Not a rated skirmish. Jackasses will still be jackasses

[stoic spruce]

That's what solo shuffle is

Is what I'm saying

The craziness that goes on

[undone kettle]

How the hell do you lock down a evoker in 3's as ass?

[stoic spruce]

If they have CC protection, you'll have to spam cheap to get it off

Or your healer dispells it I think

Or if they do it on gate open, you cam spam sap

[stoic spruce]

booooooooooooooo

[stoic spruce]

you need it to get to deft

dancing steel

yuck

[spring bough]

everytime i play sin

i hate getting stuck. i want my hook

like blizz just give us burst of speed back on retail ty ty ty

[stoic spruce]

guys im doing a shuffle!

[potent pivot]

You buy conq pieces to convert into tier set

[stoic spruce]

the adr into a cc lock is so real this season

only had one subt window to use

[spring bough]

ready for these new blizz addons so people dont know its up XD

[languid ravine]

4 lobbies; 3 times 0-6 healer and a 0-6 Ret going 2-4 because of reasons

cool game

cu tomorrow at the same time I guess

always a pleasure

[spring bough]

waiting for outlaw rogue buffs anytime now from them blue posts

"we have reverted the pvp talent maneuverability to its old iteration"

[languid ravine]

I m playing Fotm DH

cant even win a single game

needs another 4% all damage buff imo

that also indirectly buffs outlaw because DH is gonna solo even harder while you are afk pistol shotting

[stoic spruce]

!tott

[lethal roost]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[potent pivot]

this one is for pve really

[stoic spruce]

I notice

whats the macro for my mage

[@playerframe 2]

?

[potent pivot]

there's an addon for pvp

[stoic spruce]

oh lort

okay thanks

[potent pivot]

so that you always tricks your other dps