Btw I meant assa. Sub ofc. Full mastery. Nothing to talk about. Haste has zero value.
#pvp
proper heath
languid ravine
still more dam than my fully geared Outlaw
proper heath
ok que just popped. But I have other things to do now. like go to work
but still. Thx for popping I guess.
glass hazel
just q again after 20m
sometimes bugged
if its not like >2.4k+ 
then there is no hope
jolly sierra
why people whispers u so much lol
digital quail
Oh wow. I didn't know this server existed
proper heath
why people whispers u so much lol
Bot response for crafting. And then bot response to thank me for the tip.
😄
languid ravine
do you think he has one HavocX per letter of the alphabet?
spring bough
My favorite is when I wait that long. Spend less than 60 seconds going to fill my water bottle. And come back and it’s gone
digital quail
Which spec for bg's?
dark kernel
Which spec for bg's?
They are all good, they just do different things.
digital quail
Sub seems to complicated for my little brain lol
Plus I play on a steamdeck with no keyboard and mouse
Been leveling as assassination and loving it so far
potent pivot
This is wrong on so many levels
dark kernel
Plus I play on a steamdeck with no keyboard and mouse
If youre playing steam deck you're probably stuck with Sin. It's definitely doable that way
potent pivot
Any of them are fine really, they’re all like 1% dps. Ritual, gushing, twilight, w/e
simple snow
Thank you.
digital quail
If youre playing steam deck you're probably stuck with Sin. It's definitely doab...
Ya, seems it
I guess I just finished the campaign with nothing exciting lol
potent pivot
this has to be bugged?
Think so yeah
They pushed some sort of fix for it yesterday but it’s still piss
languid ravine
I deleted my Outlaw rogue after 5 rounds of shuffle
cant say for sure I think yes it is fun
but seriously I got no clue how to get past 2k rating because thats the exact overlap of "healer presses every CD out of habit" and "ME SMORC DPS inting themselves"
200 IQ Outlaws just cant compete with that
digital quail
Why would you delete the whole character though? Lol
I wonder what the easiest yet still a good class to play is for pvp these days
potent pivot
warr, dh, ret, bm hunter
digital quail
And of course hunter is there lol
grave basin
potent pivot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wgVkIByBxk
ye, it launched bugged and was "fixed"
grave basin
can confirmthat it is indeed, not fixed
waxen meteor
@proper herald I feel you need to use more stuns at lobby, just a kind suggestion
potent pivot
any1 an idea how to remove these frames?
what version of gladius do you have
one of my addons just hides them hang on lemme check
verbal field
ah ty
spring bough
but seriously I got no clue how to get past 2k rating because thats the exact ov...
Play KIR
Make ur own luck
languid ravine
maybe I would if I could move my character for more than 10% of the game
spring bough
I feel yah on that. Way too many roots and stuns and fears
indigo hill
Do the corruptions work in pvp?
potent pivot
ye
indigo hill
Please dont tell me i need to farm that out for pvp..
potent pivot
Please dont tell me i need to farm that out for pvp..
you do ye
it takes like an hour to get enough currency to buy all of them
wouldn't really call it farming or a grind
indigo hill
Arent there different quality versions?
gleaming sentinel
It’s barely a grind, pretty on par with the time it took to get a circes circlet
potent pivot
Arent there different quality versions?
the Lesser versions are out now, they only take like an hour to get them all
the Greater versions come out in like 2 or 3 weeks and by that time everyone will know which one is best and you can just buy 1 Greater version
severe helm
Wow @potent pivot I just saw how badly outlaw was down in the solo ladder lol
least popular spec over 2400
under fucking FIRE MAGE
that 20% to restless blades deleted the spec jeez haha
languid ravine
I m playing in 2200 lobbies ´right now
you wouldnt believe how bad people still are there
I m talking 500k dps arms warriors, people popping every CD for no reasons at all
and like 20% awareness with no game sense
verbal field
so I have only gladiusex atm (first time I use that) how can I import profiles?
somehow I cant upload a string at 'Profiles'
grave basin
@spring bough https://www.wowhead.com/news/buy-mats-now-to-obtain-the-voidfire-deathcycle-mount-in-revisited-horrific-376874
any1 else voidcyclemaxxing
potent pivot
so I have only gladiusex atm (first time I use that) how can I import profiles?
i think gladius imports are weird, and under a different tab
i would recommend using Gladius (Bicmex version) and Sweepyboop's pvp Helper
lucid citrus
Yeah i am but we need to wait for org to come to finish it
potent pivot
those 2 do the same thing as gladiusEX but better imo
verbal field
k 👌
grave basin
Yeah i am but we need to wait for org to come to finish it
yea i love timegating in my timegated content
atleast it's next reset so not tooooooooooo bad
lucid citrus
Yeahh i just want the purple void cycle, it’s my favorite out of all of them
grave basin
i wanna eventually do an 8 mask solo
but it seems kinda aids
so far collected 3 masks
gleaming sentinel
Wow <@629463378250956810> I just saw how badly outlaw was down in the solo ladde...
Dude I fought hard for 2100 and that puts me top 40, last season I hit 2400 and was around 65
stoic spruce
Whats the blitz outlaw r1 cut-off looking like
languid ravine
I m in 1400mmr blitz on my warrior and I swear to god 50% of the enemy team is bots
they walk forward and backpaddle strangely
its quite obvious
potent pivot
languid ravine
its not funny mate wtf
verbal field
i would recommend using Gladius (Bicmex version) and Sweepyboop's pvp Helper
Ah yeah, bicmex was the one I was looking for, what exactly is Sweepy good for?
potent pivot
Ah yeah, bicmex was the one I was looking for, what exactly is Sweepy good for?
sweepy's addon adds CD tracking to gladius similar to gladiusEX but better
it also does a load of other stuff
its a good addon
similar to BetterBlizzPlates/Frames with good added options for pvp
exotic dove
Blizz is quickly doing corruption changes got this from leeka twitter
Not sure if this was talked about
potent pivot
Not sure if this was talked about
ye they're all nerfed in pvp
we can look at the spell data when they make changes
weird that they're nerfing ritual even more that doesn't make sense tbh
it isn't even that great at 0.5
spring bough
So low ima have to try and push my baby duelist rating to that lmao
exotic dove
weird that they're nerfing ritual even more that doesn't make sense tbh
Guess its Gushing time lol
exotic dove
yeah
gleaming sentinel
I’m just trying to see lazers shooting out of me while I killing spree
warped gate
Never whooped this much ass before.
potent pivot
dark kernel
Never whooped this much ass before.
I had a game bug out super hard the other day, where nobody had more than three wins in a shuffle
And I had four wins and one just didn't count.
exotic dove
After messing around with a few of the corruptions think I am going Gushing wound for my Rogues seems to proc more and as Assa did as much as 2% peak of my damage and Sub its about 1% give or take
Average about 1.5% for Assa and 1% for Sub
Other ones just dont proc as often in PVP instances
Probably reflect the same when the greater ones come out
as far as procs go
potent pivot
After messing around with a few of the corruptions think I am going Gushing woun...
twilight dev procs properly its just that you can miss the frontal
exotic dove
This is true that one however can miss as you said and I wasnt sure if it would break CC or not so I didn't choose that
potent pivot
i mean they're all nerfed
exotic dove
So far Gushing wound seems to be my favorite one
potent pivot
in general its just never gonna matter which one you use
grave basin
Yea but there's diff PvP modifiers
grave basin
After messing around with a few of the corruptions think I am going Gushing woun...
Isn't gushing doing like 30k per tick
exotic dove
bout 40kish but it was proccing a bunch
Peaking 2% of my total damage as Assa one shuffle round with an average of 1.5% for the lesser version and then averaging 1% for Sub I think is decent compared to the others doesnt brake cc either
They all seem meh
The not breaking cc part is the most important I already deal with warriors doing that I dont need a corruption doing it too
potent pivot
keep in mind most shit has thresholds now
the chance of something like twi dev hitting a soft cc is pretty damn low
but it proccing during a kidney can smack
tight hill
man i am getting 100-0'd so fast by MM hunters as sin rogue 🫠
spring bough
Never whooped this much ass before.
Wow you beat the game I’d never play again
abstract stratus
Saw your game against nahjs team the other night and you walked him 
verbal field
is there a macro for sapping stealthed enemies which also works on non stealthed ones?
glass hazel
problem with it it will randomly sap nearest one
verbal field
kk then I use 2 binds
stoic spruce
Wow you beat the game I’d never play again
hybrid palm
As a no add on user, I just dropping in to say hi 😄
stoic spruce
I'm more curious than anything
Are the engineers working on the this stuff the same engineers working on class changes and tuning?
hybrid palm
I've always complained on this chat channel about it being ridiculous that there should be add ons enemies can use that see when shadow blades is pressed. I'm pretty happy
dark kernel
I don't know how these will work tbh
Cooldown tracking is like...really surface level for them being able to block it.
Like all you gotta do is see that enemy rogue popped shadow blades and start a 90 second timer. I don't know how you can even code that out without trying to really obfuscate some stuff
stoic spruce
Well
They'd have it where you can't change the size of the alert, and you can only either track EVERY cooldown (even the ones that don't matter) or you disable it and track none of them.
jaunty osprey
Saw your game against nahjs team the other night and you walked him <:prettygroo...
Went 7-1 against them that day, 1 loss was because I threw
: D
abstract stratus
HES GOT DA POWA
jaunty osprey
ASSA ROGUE STONKS UP
The Feint DR while stunned is the best thing they have ever added to Assa rogue survivability
wanton breach
ASSA ROGUE STONKS UP
have you tested the corruption enchants as well?
jaunty osprey
Ya, none of it matters
Twilight Dev is the most fun, but it can completely miss your target
dark kernel
The Feint DR while stunned is the best thing they have ever added to Assa rogue ...
This was clearly the biggest spec winner. Outlaw was close second until they destroyed how strong it was for them lol
It was mega OP outlaw having a near permanent 20% wall, 50% when stunned damage reduction
red stag
Which helm corruption is best for pvp?
dark kernel
Which helm corruption is best for pvp?
They are so weak that it literally doesn't matter and you can buy like 10 a week
agile kite
About to pick Rogue up again this season and go into Blitz
- As Assa - how often am I base sitting on EOTS or gilneas
- can i just play that class like feral, am I aoe team fight only or can it solo kill
agile kite
man i am getting 100-0'd so fast by MM hunters as sin rogue 🫠
brother I just came from MM base sitting on gilneas and it feels like a rogue can literally eat me alive
my only chance is to turn into paul revere and scream in instance chat the second one pops on me
potent pivot
I've always complained on this chat channel about it being ridiculous that there...
You realize whatever they remove is supposed to be added by in game functionality, right?
I honestly doubt any of that is going to work out in the end
Expecting them to walk this back after player backlash/feedback 
tight hill
wonder if they will add proper arena frames lol
tight hill
fr tho if they just add some standarised cooldown tracking like how it is on AWC and remove it I think that will be fine
either that or they need big cds actual animations to be way more telegraphed so ppl can react
potent pivot
We all know nothing they make will be as good as addons
tight hill
oh yeah, but i think addons are too good tbh
potent pivot
The people that complain about addons are just lazy and/or bad players
potent pivot
They pick up all the slack that is left by the devs
potent pivot
lazy to setup their ui?
Or to lazy to learn how to
tight hill
well some ppl are glad without them
potent pivot
I don’t think they will ever take the time to create things as customizable as addons
tight hill
but they are a huge advatage over someone that doesn't have them and isn't a full time pvper
lol
potent pivot
well some ppl are glad without them
I really don’t think that’s true these days
tight hill
maybe omnibar is needed yh
potent pivot
You have to have a couple bare minimum
tight hill
im just not a fan of the air horns and flashing icons all over
potent pivot
They should really just stick to replacing things like boss mods/WeakAuras for raid fights and dungeons
tight hill
also think the addon stuff is a huge barrier to getting ppl in to pvp
potent pivot
Ye I agree with that
But
The problem stands that they will never create proper replacements
Addons are custom made and tailored by 1 or even a few people, constantly updated etc basically as just passion projects
tight hill
yeah probably right. Super divisive anyway. Interesting to see what will happen if they just hard disable cd tracking
potent pivot
@jaunty osprey thoughts?
glass hazel
cd tracker they made way too good to use
at first iteration couldnt even choose what to show
potent pivot
imo the most they should do is try adding their own new UI stuff without removing any addon functionality
glass hazel
just look at blizz arena plates after all these years still no dr tracker
potent pivot
let new players use their blizzard version shit if they want to
glass hazel
true, new players should not look for something outside the game, but old one should have a choice
potent pivot
straight up removing the addons will just further kill the competitive scene
glass hazel
if they will make something good people will just stop using addons of same functionality
it is that simple lol
"we cant do good, but cant let you have fun with 3rd party addons as well, so we will disable it"
but pve without dbm could be fun
like look at glowing parts of the boss to know what is coming lol
gleaming pawn
straight up removing the addons will just further kill the competitive scene
PvP returning to a “no addons, hope you have good internal clock” will be crazy
potent pivot
i think making the game better visually for pve is good
some addons/WAs make pve brain dead
gleaming pawn
Can’t say it would be a bad thing entirely, but classes need to get a little less complex for it to not feel like shit
glass hazel
there must be visual for everything
potent pivot
i have zero faith
gleaming pawn
True true
dark kernel
I unironically think Blizzard has to walk back WoW because it's overly complex and difficult for an aging player base to begin with and M+ being the central gameplay focus is dog shit
gleaming pawn
We might finally get one though, because pve/m+ needs to know DRs at least somewhat
Still feels like cope though, so I wouldn’t hold my breath for a built in DR tracker
glass hazel
like every class has abilities with dr yet after 20 years you cant track it
gleaming pawn
I unironically think Blizzard has to walk back WoW because it's overly complex a...
M+ is not the focus in pve, raiding is and always has been
glass hazel
potent pivot
M+ is not the focus in pve, raiding is and always has been
i don't think this can really be said these days
gleaming pawn
They have made big strides this expac
But they only gave M+ players a bone this patch with the dinars because of the massive backlash
potent pivot
But they only gave M+ players a bone this patch with the dinars because of the m...
yeah, because more players m+
the amount of people that solely m+ and don't raid at all these days is a large number
glass hazel
way more than pvp sadly 😦
potent pivot
every spec in the game having passive cleave isn't something that was done for raid
gleaming pawn
the amount of people that solely m+ and don't raid at all these days is a large ...
Yes, and Blizz is finally coming around to not treating m+ as secondary inferior content. But things like balancing and the focus of pve is still on raiding primarily
potent pivot
i just don't think thats true these days at all
if you look at raid and m+ balance they are the same
everything is within a few %
a lot of people meme and complain that 'the game is tuned for raid' but i think thats cope
m+ is just 5 specs so its more competitive for spots
clever valley
Still feels like cope though, so I wouldn’t hold my breath for a built in DR tra...
If any of y'all read the article they specifically mentioned DR trackers being a thing they are implementing
potent pivot
thats not the point
the point is that we haven't gotten one up to this point
thats how out of touch they are with the necessities/wants of the people who actually play the game
warped gate
Okay, so here's a possible silly question: Is that corruption stuff valid for PvP and if so, what is it?
glass hazel
gushing
warped gate
When I came back I just ignored all content and went to gear up.
potent pivot
Okay, so here's a possible silly question: Is that corruption stuff valid for Pv...
its just enchants
glass hazel
rest just bad
warped gate
It's on the helm though, right? You can't get anything else for that, so I figure bad is better than nothing, right?
glass hazel
could be ignored yeah like 1% or smth
tight hill
like 1% dmg increase. I think the event is kinda fun tho tbh
potent pivot
It's on the helm though, right? You can't get anything else for that, so I figur...
yeah
the options most people are going with are twilight dev/twisted appendage/gushing
waxen meteor
i haven't even tried that yet
potent pivot
but it genuinely doesn't matter, just apply one and forget it
waxen meteor
Is it a long event?
glass hazel
whole season 2
waxen meteor
and is it by account or by character...
potent pivot
its account
glass hazel
all items warbound
waxen meteor
ok, that's awesome
warped gate
Gotcha, thanks.
waxen meteor
I am not trying to do this 21230123 times
warped gate
I'll just look up a Wowhead guide or something for more info.
glass hazel
you dont need
waxen meteor
how long does it take roughly to unlock the enchat
potent pivot
you still have to farm the currency to buy them
glass hazel
its like 2 runs
potent pivot
but its fast/easy
glass hazel
or 3-4 if solo
waxen meteor
oh shoot
waxen meteor
you farm the currency only in that mode?
or you get some of that currency playing other mode like arena etc...
which i doubt, but still asking...
glass hazel
only this mode
glass hazel
since it is implemented with this event 🙂
verbal field
is flag worth? currently running this build
potent pivot
is flag worth? currently running this build
if you want to use it sure
its not a lock in but its good
most powerful singular talent in the tree
can swap deeper daggers for it
verbal field
aight
mint storm
does the corruption with tentacles stop flag caps?
potent pivot
wouldn't be surprised
spring bough
if u in SW tryna gank me in the portal room gtfoh
potent pivot
if u in SW tryna gank me in the portal room gtfoh
stoic spruce
Weird outlaw buff but I'll take it
potent pivot
stoic spruce
We take all the buffs trickz
All of them
No bad buff
Even SS
Since we press that more now
jaunty osprey
<@113813700237852677> thoughts? <:kekw3:907372904130441217>
Tbh, I’m happy
I use like 5 addons and a very simple ui
i dont rely on it as much as some ppl
potent pivot
spring bough
Weird outlaw buff but I'll take it
cool so i can have more health when my teammate dies
sounds fun
bout to untalent out of stamina fk it
stoic spruce
You're in shuffle
There's nothing you can do
It's destiny
You could have the peels if a bdk and they'd still find a way to croak
They're like babies left unintended
potent pivot
Rogue dev is alive and well
???
grave basin
?? Do you not see much needed rogue tuning
potent pivot
no???
potent pivot
this class no long exists
stoic spruce
this class no long exists
grave basin
This class no long exists
spring bough
damn bro i feel forgotten by blizzard
grave basin
R1 shuff outlaw is barely 2.4k KEK
stoic spruce
I wear my 0cr like a badge of honor
dark kernel
6% more hp as outlaw with combat stam
But literally why
I already like dirty deeds way more
stoic spruce
Done dirt cheap
grave basin
But literally why
Pre emptively nerfing outlaw for Awc cause kalvish and whaaz can play it perfectly
(last few tuning patches)
grave basin
This was likely the last tuning for the whole season too
Or one of the last
Is it just me or is this fukin insane
Fury
Whirlwind damage increased by 120%.
Thunder Clap damage increased by 25%.
Odyn’s Fury damage increased by 30%.
Mountain Thane: Thunder Blast damage increased by 25%.
spring bough
I already like dirty deeds way more
i gave up verse talent instead of stam talent to take dirty tricks
still over 30% verse lol
grave basin
Bro mountain thane fury alrdy does good damage
dark kernel
i gave up verse talent instead of stam talent to take dirty tricks
You crazy son bitch
Damn it
That might actually be a play
languid ravine
Fury
Whirlwind damage increased by 120%.
Thunder Clap damage increased by 25%.
O...
none of these are even played in pvp
grave basin
none of these are even played in pvp
Mountain thane is good into cleaves
Also
WARLOCK
Demon Skin’s armor increase is now 30% more effective in PvP combat.
This talent has been nerfed and buffed 1000x at this point
And that's a direct outlaw nerf kek
Indirect*
languid ravine
I was literallym typing "outlaw nerf kek" when you wrote that
grave basin
spring bough
FK this game
first lobby after 25 min wait
me and DK kill hunter right as he dies he leaves and no one gets credit
he musta left 0.001 seconds before he died lmao
grave basin
Go next
grave basin
Yea it actually was much needed
spring bough
Def needed
DKs melt
gleaming pawn
risking Popo hate, good. Fuck the DKs
spring bough
God forbid rmp has a counter >.>
never thats S tier
fading blade
this class no long exists
same with the dev
spring bough
entire round chasing an MM and devo and twilight enchant did 0 damage lol
indigo hill
Arms execute nerf is nice.
indigo hill
It's brilliant. You get to live 6% longer.
The other changes above apply to pvp and pvp unless stated differently? Like the 5% increase on sub.
potent pivot
It's brilliant. You get to live 6% longer.
that wasn't the problem for outlaw though
grave basin
It's brilliant. You get to live 6% longer.
Outlaw has one of the lowest death rates across all DPS specs
Completely pointless change
open thunder
Guys is outlaw saved
open thunder
With the removal of add-ons I think PvE is dead I'm considering starting a pvp career
potent pivot
OUT
potent pivot
With the removal of add-ons I think PvE is dead I'm considering starting a pvp c...
did you see the outlaw pvp buff
open thunder
Too late buddy
open thunder
Ye I saw kekw
potent pivot
see
open thunder
Actually hilarous
I thought they nerfed Rb cause outlaw was too tanky?
Was it for another reason
Why do they buff outlaw tankyness
potent pivot
Why do they buff outlaw tankyness
indigo hill
I worded it poorly. What I meant to ask was, the first buffs/nerfs also apply to pvp unless it says that it doesn't?
potent pivot
I worded it poorly. What I meant to ask was, the first buffs/nerfs also apply to...
correct
indigo hill
Perfect.
potent pivot
far from it
open thunder
Bro I'm gonna be so good at pvp with all these bullshit add-ons gone!
I'm my time trickz
Let's go!
potent pivot
Bro I'm gonna be so good at pvp with all these bullshit add-ons gone!
you can't even eat your food buff without addons
open thunder
Trickz
potent pivot
mofucka
open thunder
you can't even eat your food buff without addons
grave basin
What will you do without a WA blaring a AAAIRRR HORRRRNNNN with a big reroll in caps across your screen though
open thunder
I was watching the latest wow highlights clips thing right
Do you wanna guess
What this comment refer to
potent pivot
the sound queues?
grave basin
Atleast they acknowledged that outlaw is unplayable without WA
And most likely will give it more QOL
open thunder
Outlaw is very playable without weak aura tbf
With the cooldown manager it's gonna be possible
It's "unplayable" rn cause the game just doesn't track shit so
grave basin
How would you know when to reroll buffs
open thunder
I look at my buffs
grave basin
Without parsing through 1028337 buffs on your toon
potent pivot
if they don't make features that are at least barebones as customizable as addons they will fail
open thunder
Like the only thing you need is a way to track the important shit in the middle of the screen
potent pivot
just functionality customization
open thunder
Which is what the cooldown manager is meant to do
It's clearly not even half the way here yet
But
potent pivot
i need to go bed
grave basin
cd manager can't even select CDs Individually
potent pivot
have to be up early af
grave basin
Which is kinda cooked even for a first draft
open thunder
Imagine within 1 h of them releasing the addon manager you have random dudes in their bedroom that already release add-ons to fix the cooldown manager
I mean it's like half of a first draft
But it will get there eventually
Idk why blizzard is so bad at getting there
But at some point it will be there
Probably
grave basin
PvP needs ATLEAST good Dr tracker at a minimum then imo not having kicks is kinda brutal
I can't imagine playing a caster and spam faking over and over and not knowing if they have kicks
Wouldn't be a big issue if the mobility of ranged and melee was a bit in favour of ranged so you can actually kite and breathe
But rn unless you're a frost mage it's literally impossible to kite melee and they're just up your bumhole 100% of the time
Oh and bigdebuffs please for the love of god
Playing rogue on PTR without bigdebuffs is pure cancer
Looking for that small cheap shot icon amongst all the other debuffs is pain
wanton breach
https://youtu.be/000NbVipwNg?si=EL7I1WnyuDpIMBBD
zac
lilac sigil
Tbh It’s little hilarious that DH got buffs aimed at PVE but it impacted PvP making it one of strongest specs then you see first buffs to assa excluded from pvp and now sub buff same excluded from pvp…
quaint cedar
I have very little faith in blizzard to handle this no addons thing well. These are the same guys that made arena frames and didn't think to include a DR tracker.
dark kernel
Well see
The future of retail needs to be the past.
People will hate this, but overall every single type of WoW content, from raids, to dungeons, to pvp needs to get easier.
PvE itself has been an add-on arms race just to have as much information filtered to you as possible which has forced Blizzard to make fights more and more complex
languid ravine
there is 4 difficulty modes for raids alone, the game does not need to be easier :d
maybe slightly idk
gleaming sentinel
death to addons!
spring bough
Is outlaw fun today
dark kernel
there is 4 difficulty modes for raids alone, the game does not need to be easier...
Remove 1, at least, maybe 2
Honestly go back to regular and heroic, make a mythic version that's for bragging and cosmetics only
dark kernel
Is outlaw fun today
I fuckin flubbed a match last night with it ending 3-3 because a destro lock got his head together
Sitting right under 2050
The amount of times me and a warrior kick the same spell by mistake and give lock precog for either chaos bolt or fear is unreal
stoic spruce
Is outlaw fun today
In pve it's a blast in content that won't yet you killed by KS
stoic spruce
Fun stuff
gleaming sentinel
think its time for an assa set, outlaw shuff is just so tough for me
dark kernel
think its time for an assa set, outlaw shuff is just so tough for me
Where you at right now?
I know for rated 3s I'm probably going to bite that bullet too
agile kite
i want to brain off hit 1800 in solo shuffle
is assa gonna be that much easier than sub
gleaming sentinel
I just personally find sub frustrating lol
agile kite
it seems too high iq
i watch weedtyler and this mfer is doing calculus to kill someone
potent pivot
weedtyler ain't doing calculus i can tell you that much
agile kite
he gets glad
agile kite
dude i watched him last nightfor the first time
potent pivot
agile kite
skillcapped should hire that fucking guy
maybe toxic but he was nice when i watched, i asked some hyper niche pvp question for a class he doesnt play and he responds with the most thought out shit
potent pivot
nah he's just toxic to people in his games
not as much to chatters afaik
the guys been banned from wow lord knows how many times
agile kite
bg blitz tilts players so hard
agile kite
shiesty crusader
gleaming sentinel
High end blitz games are something else
potent pivot
but to answer your question
assa has stuff that can be perceived as difficulcy just like sub does
its just different
it just depends what kind of shit you're used to playing in wow
agile kite
i did a quick 1800 last season when i think assa was buffer
gleaming sentinel
I played a lot feral so it feels a little easier to learn for me compared to sub
potent pivot
assa has to upkeep bleeds and still does as much cc
so if what you're struggling with on sub is doing proper burst
assa might be more chill
but you have way less ST kill pressure
agile kite
ty guys - ravenholdt pvp is the best discord pvp channel by a mile
potent pivot
agile kite
kiss
wintry dew
dark kernel
Sub isn't even hard anymore it's just knowing how to do basic damage in a window
It's difficulty comes purely from ensuring you USE your abilities when you are least likely to get peeled
I got 2100 last season easier as sub than it's taken me to get there with outlaw this time
languid ravine
Ret Pala in my team: dies after 5 seconds
Ret Pala in the enemy team: BoP out of my Stun, HoJ me while healer has no dispel, Bubble at 15% life, Lay on Hands his healer at 5% life
classic
it never get olds
always peak comedy
and you know what, two rounds in a row coz it was so funny
hybrid palm
basically win trading
languid ravine
nah he still he lost the other round so lol
spring bough
bout to chase 2444 outlaw rating in shuffle
stoic spruce
Good luck mate
gleaming sentinel
I was just ina triple arms lobby
quaint cedar
@spring bough so how miserable is it to play outlaw right now? I haven't played in probably close to 2 months (whenever the RB nerf was) and my main outlaw is parked at 2150 in shuffle. I just came back last week and did some feral games and already passed both of my outlaws 😭
spring bough
<@913956782961995796> so how miserable is it to play outlaw right now? I haven't...
some days its shit
other days its shit but okay i guess
quaint cedar
lol that's about what I expected
spring bough
when i do this not so shit day lol
quaint cedar
anything change with talents?
last I played the rule was trickster most matchups, and switch fatebound if you think you will be kited a lot (frost mage, devoker)
spring bough
i think flurry got a KB
lmaooooo
flurry is the GOAT
2.1 mil on hits in arena
is stupid damage from flurry
could probably go the off target and do more flurry damage to the called target than ST dmg to the off target if that makes sense lmao
dark kernel
Yeah the blade flurry build made me a believer.
quaint cedar
could probably go the off target and do more flurry damage to the called target ...
with blade flurry talents, I'd believe it
how does your build work with aoe talents? I can't seem to get them unless I drop CTO, unless I am just missing something
or I guess you could drop ghostly strike
spring bough
how does your build work with aoe talents? I can't seem to get them unless I dro...
i dont play CTO with HO build
because with tier u reroll everytime until u get 5 buffs
quaint cedar
oh yeah true
spring bough
with KIR build i go 1/2 FTH to pickup PC
quaint cedar
so like this then?
spring bough
so like this then?
i never tried verse n stam for blinding and HH. evasion usually off CD pretty fast still
jolly sierra
only dwarves, pevokers, pallies and survs can remove deathmark
but u can't dispell kingsbane
well, people doesn't uses kingsbane at the moment
so its irrelevant
dark kernel
yeah. Assassination has a few definitive counters. Pretty much anything that removes bleeds removes deathmark
spring bough
Lowkey drop dancing steel
Nah extra CPs from flurry even without pets 🔥
ESP when energy regen low
dark kernel
this legitimately upset me
to an unreasonable degree
im never playing sleep deprived again
stoic marsh
Does the gushing wounds enchant benefit from sudden demise?
spring bough
You're hitting 8 targets in a melee cleave?
Oh I take that cause I’m using precise cuts so flurry does more dmg lol
stoic spruce
you can take imp mg
js
cuz like
I never get value with DS
oh I see what youre saying
grim forum
Noob Rogue Question: Do we take Thistle Tea in PvP ever; on any spec?
languid ravine
"Hey Blizz, I am really struggling with this Visions thing, could you help me out mate?"
-"Sure Bud! Take this Friend bot with you, it was made by Soridormi"
"Thank you Blizz I love you"
-"Love you too"
(Vision became 90% harder)
gotta love number scaling
placid vessel
i'M SORRY
Did they remove Veil of Midnight PvP talent and not replace it with anything to remove bleeds when vanishing? 
stoic spruce
"Hey Blizz, I am really struggling with this Visions thing, could you help me ou...
Is it really that noticeable?
I've only ran with the healer npc
grim forum
for the SUB (i know ASSA does this) builds with Thistle Tea, do we ever use it manually or just let it proc on its own every time?
analog tapir
hi im new to sub rogue and i wanna learn few openers, can someone help me with that ?
languid ravine
Is it really that noticeable?
its over 50% more hp
boss went from 25k to 40k iirc
and I think enemy damage goes up too but not sure
well at least in the future it wont be a problem because I ll just spam my Rotation assistance button
analog tapir
anyone ?
potent pivot
Does the gushing wounds enchant benefit from sudden demise?
No. Enchants/items do not interact with talents/abilities in wow anymore.
spring bough
definitely CTO
i tried both. GSW feels just as good and pistol doing 1.1mil crits
severe helm
for what
Bro CTO
Not playing with cto is insane to me
Feels aaaaawful
Since our cdr is so nerfed in pvp we need all the help we can get
spring bough
idk im using HH with GSW as HO and i have 28% haste unbuffed
and im crushing
1.4mil dps toa ret
im kinda wrecking with this build
analog tapir
can someone pls answer me?! i want to learn how to play rogue but there is no guides out there to this patch what is my burst rotation? and how do i open? and what is my talents?
fading blade
I mean there are guides out there
analog tapir
where and from who ?
fading blade
If you put in a little bit of effort into your search, you’ll be able to find things on YouTube, discord pins/channels, wowhead, icyveins, check-pvp so on
halcyon timber
Take a look at the pins in the channel for recommendations and look at Murlok for additional talent suggestions. You can watch nahj on youtube / twitch as he is active and treats those streams as a guide.
Be patient as us rogues do not operate like any class and take a lot of precision and timing despite propaganda and false beliefs
fading blade
I wish kalvish would do more commentary on his streams
verbal field
I’d also recommend xvic’s videos
halcyon timber
We do not operate as a “always do x”. There is no true rotation, just build and spend while keeping a target stunned as best as possible
fading blade
Whaaz is also really good, his mental is usually 5 steps ahead and it constantly changes but he tries to go over it
halcyon timber
Adapt and be patient
halcyon timber
No sweat man, very steep learning curve but do not get discouraged
fading blade
Tell your dps friend to not ruin your stun DR
languid ravine
Trickster with Precise Cuts I am a believer in the thing you know the I ve seen the light and this is the way
but we need a better code name for that because "Praise Precise Cuts Trickster thy Kingdom cometh, Amen" doesnt quite roll off the tongue
languid ravine
Ret paladin
The trick is, Ret is good with and against good healers but also with and against bad healers
and also good in warri lobbies
actually I m logging off Outlaw right now
this shit sucks
I literally press Ashwake and win in lobbies 400 rating higher than on Outlaw going 400 apm hard pressuring, counterstunning, kicking and cleaving everything
where I lose on Outlaw
spring bough
i just turned my human rogue into a sin rogue
gonna work on this a bit. got my ret to 1800 already lol
gleaming sentinel
Yea I’m having way more success as assa already… :/
languid ravine
Cleef you d probably like Frost DK, its a great noobstomper spec and there is a lot of noobs in this deflated conquest uncapped economy
and it CHUNKS
spring bough
Cleef you d probably like Frost DK, its a great noobstomper spec and there is a ...
i got a kul tiran DK im leveling
might have to get him to 80 for that XD
languid ravine
Ive played 40 rounds today, all more or less bigshit, MMR: +0
total coinflip
as per usual
fire mage thinks its a good idea to facetank arms warrior and windwalker monk
sick wasp
No. Enchants/items do not interact with talents/abilities in wow anymore.
Big Z and Chan on awc podcast.Cant miss that!
languid ravine
how do you even play the game
potent pivot
Big Z and Chan on awc podcast.Cant miss that!
whats a big z
languid ravine
z but Z
potent pivot
meh
harsh kiln
@spring bough how's the outlaw climb to 2k4 going?
spring bough
went up to 2256 then to 2205 after so im taking a break
stoic spruce
would rather play sea of thieves tbh
languid ravine
are there more games where you can play as Outlaw Rogue
harsh kiln
you guys need to feed that insanity that is outlaw shuffles
languid ravine
now I know of Assassins Creed Black Flag but I think it sucks like all of them after 2
harsh kiln
i'm doing it
dark kernel
I went 0-6 and another outlaw in my lobby went 4-2 yesterday
spring bough
i went 5-1 before straight into a 1-5 was awful lmaooo
dark kernel
He was doing fatebound, I felt like shit after
spring bough
felt like the last lobby the healers were win trading the one healer was 0 rating and went "this my first lobby of the season" what a troll
chrome schooner
Well if he had 0 rating it was indeed his first lobby of the season no ?
languid ravine
technically you can go 0-6 and I believe stay at 0 or not
stoic spruce
Hi shade
sick wasp
Man Oscar is rly scary playing Sub,poor brunhity got deleted
languid ravine
the one time per year I whisper someone after the game he insta logged off
what is this
it happens every year
potent pivot
Man Oscar is rly scary playing Sub,poor brunhity got deleted
did echo win
languid ravine
that setup was slick af
languid ravine
that round lasted 9 minutes bruh thats longer than my entire shuffle rounds on average
sick wasp
did echo win
yeah 1-1 with chibaku now,Lontar is playing like a god
2-1 chibaku now
Lontar plays out of his mind,i think they look a better team than echo
2-2 Echo,actually best series ive seen ina while
very highend tech
faking cds/baiting/ad swaps
better than champions league 10/10
3-2 chibaku
great series
languid ravine
you know its looking bad when the casters dont even pog at your triple psychic scream 😦
I think the reason anyone loses AWC is because they dont bring Double Precise Cuts Trickster Outlaw
shoulda come here for the secret comp but now its too late
pliant mauve
Yo wtf is with these 3 person wpvp groups that are literally always online doing the most sus shit ever. Over 8 seasons the highest rated troll was 1400. The other two were like challenger 1 every time and they are literally unkillable. They counter everything perfectly and easily wiped out 7 people. Makes my shuffs at 2300 feel like I’m playing at 500.
I’m guessing burner accounts but then why the christ would glads be rp’ing and spending hours trolling the open world? Insanity.
potent pivot
I’m guessing burner accounts but then why the christ would glads be rp’ing and s...
some people just enjoy wpvp
unborn grail
wpvp is fun
potent pivot
there's also a lot of weird items/consumables you can abuse in wpvp
so if you put in the time/effort to get all of them you can basically run around like a god
pliant mauve
Yeah, makes sense. No way these guys would be hardstuck at 1300 if there wasn’t some weird tech involved.
Tilting as a mfer though so I guess they got what they wanted.
rustic plume
gushing wounds or echoing void? or something else?
rustic plume
gushing wounds or echoing void? or something else?
for sub
potent pivot
gushing wounds or echoing void? or something else?
doesn't really matter
but i'm pretty sure
echoing is still bugged, so don't use that one
use twilight dev or gushing
rustic plume
mmm. iirc it was gushing hands down originally
dark kernel
Using gushing for free dot against stealthies
rustic plume
its never been any of them hands down
originally in bfa, not this patch
potent pivot
twilight dev hits hard, good extra dmg during kidney if it procs
oh in bfa
they've been changed a lot from their original versions
very weak and some function as if they were entirely different spells
compared to the bfa ones
but i would just use twilight dev or gushing and forget about them until we get the Greater versions in a couple weeks
rustic plume
great thanks, take care
potent pivot
you as well
gilded gulch
bfa you ran gush if you wanted to do dam
and vers amps if you wanted to be tanky
with conflict major
vers amps were technically ok for damage if you knew how to hit your buttons
and werent in a perma kited game vs wizards
potent pivot
its mostly just warrior
their zerker rage
can't think of anything else worth using it on in the game atm
bold pollen
not too bad for the first time pvp'n since BFA
potent pivot
not too bad for the first time pvp'n since BFA
Gz 
bold pollen
ty
gilded gulch
Gz <:pogg:1042186983658766436>
worst part of this grind is the queue times imo
gilded gulch
Part of me wants to do it on other armor types for the 1 pixel transmogs
but then part of me doesnt
potent pivot
Usually queues that low are decently quick
bold pollen
i was matching at 2600
potent pivot
Especially if you do them during prime hours
potent pivot
i was matching at 2600
You can probably go higher than 1800 then 
bold pollen
Yea, I was thinking about it
gilded gulch
i honestly assumed sub was gonna be the default in bgs
potent pivot
idk what are prime hours
Prime time, in the evening usually
gilded gulch
but with duel gone i guess less so?
bold pollen
i honestly assumed sub was gonna be the default in bgs
Outlaw has its uses
can run the flag like a mother
potent pivot
Oh we’re talking about blitz?
bold pollen
Yea
bold pollen
was never a huge fan of arena
Enjoyed Rated BGs a lot more, just a huge pita to get into groups
Blitz is perfect
sick wasp
<:kekw3:907372904130441217>
chibaku looked like a better team ngl.Fuseton,Lontar,Zeepeye all played very very good,i liked it
gleaming sentinel
Blitz success is surviving 1800 and below mmr
potent pivot
What pvp rune can I use instead of disarm when facing double caster? ty
spec?
humble spear
sub
potent pivot
usually tricks buff talent
humble spear
ty
bold pollen
Blitz success is surviving 1800 and below mmr
got my ass stuck in the 1600s on my hunter for a while
was pretty brutal
the rogue just bounced right up
the 2000-2400 ish games have all been pretty close / fun
sick wasp
dismantle*
what are the other two ''runes'' u are playing
bold pollen
I was like wtf am I missing? theres runes!? shit
humble spear
Preemptive and smokebomb
sick wasp
im currently on hpally arc but our rogue when he plays sub he is going with mirage/or control is king but guess thats a preference coz our mage asks it
tricks always good ofc,its just dmg,which is very good
smokebomb is the only pvp talent u rly cant replace tbh,the other two are negotiable under circumstances
i like preemptive alot
outer sky
ok what the fuck
why am I standing across the map behind a pillar for like 30 seconds
and combat isnt dropping
outer sky
No
Singular Focus i've known about and have complained about a ton
but usually with that
my meld will bug
or ill drop combat and instantly reacquire it
ive only recently seen it where it doesnt drop at all
for for a fraction of a second
potent pivot
could be someone else's corruption keeping you in combat or something
sick wasp
idk tbh any other way u cant drop combat for 30 seconds
half a min is alot of time
there is a way for a hunter to keep u with his pet on auto reseting atk half way but that was a bug rly
u can drop combat even if he does that
idk
hidden moth
"LETS REMOVE ADDONS AND THINGS THAT FIX OUR GAME WHILE LEAVING COMBAT BUGS AND OTHER ISSUES RUN AMOK"-BLIZZ
potent pivot
nah no addons would fix pvp
wildly L take imo
stoic spruce
wow rn is react to WA
potent pivot
while part of me wishes i could agree with you
we both know whatever they make will fall short
the plan isn't "getting rid of addons"
stoic spruce
yeah in a perfect world, no addons would fix wow
thisll probably have no effect on anything
stoic spruce
are they addons if theyre in the base game?
they said theyre getting rid of specific types of combat addons in the future
potent pivot
if they're just trying to copy addons
by adding base game features
do you really expect those base game features to be any good?
stoic spruce
I want to say yes
potent pivot
stoic spruce
I wish I could say yes I mean
potent pivot
yeah, me too
unfortunately there's like a 95% chance they fall short
the only way this will work out and be good
is if they hire the people who created the addons we all use
or at least buy the work they have done thus far at a bare minimum
which i highly doubt they will do either of
playing the game without nameplate addons, bigdebuffs, omniCD, omnibar, gladius, diminish
sounds absolutely atrocious to me
the fact of the matter is that without those addons or proper form of information, you have zero shot of living most spec's CDs because you won't know wtf is going on
stoic spruce
well
idk about that
because
everyones CDs are rather visible save for like rogue
you can see when a warr or dk are doing their goes
potent pivot
that feels like intense cope
stoic spruce
playing the game without nameplate addons, bigdebuffs, omniCD, omnibar, gladius,...
I play without any of these
and its fine
I know the warr is bursting
or whatever
by looking at them
potent pivot
stoic spruce
ive also been told I have that wow autism so maybe theres something to it
but yeah everyone has visual queues for their go but idk
I suppose expecting people to pay attention to the character itself is realistic
severe helm
unfortunately there's like a 95% chance they fall short
Yeah especially for stuff that needs constant updating and very in touch development with the actual playerbase, blizzard will always struggle
Like they're just never going to keep up with a community driven feature
It would require a very large effort
tight hill
ive also been told I have that wow autism so maybe theres something to it
Can you tell if a hunter has trueshot up? Genuine question cus I have a weakaura that makes a loud ass eagle noise lol and nameplate auras
vocal surge
Can you tell if a hunter has trueshot up? Genuine question cus I have a weakaura...
Blue glaze and barely visible particle effecrs
tight hill
So there is an effect at least. Ideally blizz get the effects & audio queues for major offensive and defs clearer and that could remove the need for addons
hybrid palm
i think the view is enemy cd tracking classifying as "unfair" , so substituting addon tracking with a sound tracking still keeps that "unfairness" going. It's a video game, not a game of chess, where the whole board should be visible to everyone.
vocal surge
i think the view is enemy cd tracking classifying as "unfair" , so substituting ...
im not a fan of people knowing what trinket the other person is running as well
spring bough
nah no addons would fix pvp
I feel like no addons in PvP would turn some “R1s” into shit players 😂
People would be using full CDs. People would be messing up DRs left n right too lol
When blizz releases this one button rotation thingy I bet some people will try to get rival or elite with one clicking lol
dark kernel
When blizz releases this one button rotation thingy I bet some people will try t...
It will be the very first super tease video
gleaming sentinel
I feel like no addons in PvP would turn some “R1s” into shit players 😂
certain streamers i cant even watch. Entirely too much information on the screen
languid ravine
“Watch me hit elite pressing one button” 💀
"while wearing only honor gear and only queue at fullmoon"
spring bough
Are we gonna still be allowed to have things like gladius?
gleaming sentinel
I’m pretty much only use gladius and big debuffs, so hopefully their base ui has something similar
Omni bar when I’m on a caster so that will be interesting. I suck at fake casting anyway so w/e
languid ravine
Blitz feels super dead I see at least 3 bots every game
although tbh some of them might have been badly programmed humans too
broken otter
I'm wanting to try Assassination, in Blitz, but I'm Human. Convince me that I'm not cooked.
languid ravine
Cooked
broken otter
languid ravine
dont you know shadowmeld is +1500 rating in blitz
broken otter
I've only ever played Subtlety, but I've heard many Rogues say that for Assassination, Shadowmeld is a must. Even Nahj said on stream "You literally have a gun to your head to play NElf if you're playing Assassination."
But I know that's in an arena setting
So I was hoping Blitz might be more forgiving.
languid ravine
it really doesnt matter
therell be like 1 in a thousand games where specificially all the stars in the world align and where the only star missing is you pressing shadowmeld two times more over human racial
broken otter
Fair point.
This gives me sufficient hope. Gonna try when I get home.
Thanks, friend.
hidden moth
So I was hoping Blitz might be more forgiving.
its not tbh
stoic spruce
Pales in comparison to fear break with all these damn warriors and their strangely OP fear
hidden moth
bc smeld puts u ahead of other rogues on 1v1s for flags
stoic spruce
Feels like a stun ngl
hidden moth
it can put u ahead of 2v3 2v2 team fights for carts etc
also when u cant mount after ressing due to singular focus across map putting u in combat
smeld helps
dark kernel
Very nice man
grave basin
thank you thank you
hybrid palm
gz gz !
broken otter
Gratz, man!
tight hill
this seems like a guaranteed pick for me but a lot of people on Murlok etc are using it as their swap talent for disarm and keeping pre-emptive maneuver on perma
Is it not as strong as it seems?
tight hill
I get that but 30% ms on ur burst window seems pretty good to me. Wondered if I was missing something
jolly sierra
no
tight hill
Ok that makes sense then
broken otter
If I'm tracking my Garrote debuffs with a WeakAura, is there a known way to differentiate between a normal Garrote and an empowered Garrote? I'd like my debuff tracking icon glow if it's an empowered debuff
Again the debuff not the actual CD
halcyon timber
Prob not other than knowing in your head.
Side note : Im not against “all addons” either but definitely prefer making a simple ui with my elv and WAs are just for me to customize my stuff with personal art. Weird crusade people are on when they are going to play the same and still blame x y z while not pressing defensives and getting smoked out in Australia while a healer is ccd.
Really don’t care for all the extra stuff people use like omni bar and all that stuff. That is a choice they can use but a majority of issues are people don’t pay attention with or without addons
hidden moth
If I'm tracking my Garrote debuffs with a WeakAura, is there a known way to diff...
use luxthos pack