pvp

[exotic dove]

NVm I figured it out

Preemptive Maneuver did work War just hit me with a 6 mil execute but it was turned into a 3 mil one instead

nice

Good on me for feinting the storm bolt but died anyway

[gusty hedge]

they fixed the no path available for grappling hook and im assuming for other similar abilities, i dont know when they did this but i found out yesterday. Im back on That Rogue Wpvp

[harsh kiln]

Fixed as in youre able to use it on z axis again?

[gusty hedge]

yeah i can hook on trees and roofs now, no more worrying about falling on a structure and waiting to die

[harsh kiln]

I love that

[tight hill]

yo guys, new to sin rogue. Are there any major downsides to macro-ing thistle tea with shiv?

[polar onyx]

Does anyone have the addon that shows when people drop combat? so you can sap

[potent pivot]

Nope, should be fine

[potent pivot]

BetterBlizzFrames has that

[polar onyx]

Is it possible to always sap off blind or is it just rng

[gusty hedge]

if you gouge blind yeah but then you are dr I dont always get to sap off blind , like I'm still in combat for a sec or 2 after blind falls off

could be my ping too usually 20-25 ms home/world

[polar onyx]

Tyty

[indigo zealot]

is the matchmaking cooked? im really bad at pvp and get to 1800 each season for the mog. did my first shuffle and got thrown into a 2200-2400 lobby

[indigo hill]

You have a starting mmr and that will either go up or down depending on how well you've played. More wins, more mmr.

[indigo zealot]

yeah but i normally started at around 2k

[gleaming sentinel]

I am so goated at receiving cc and not getting dispelled. Maybe the best in the game

[glass hazel]

you have personal dispell with 2m cd

just use it

[potent pivot]

did you 6-0 your first lobby? also depends what the average mmr of that lobby was

either way, your mmr will even out as you queue more

[potent pivot]

technically its not possible, unless the target was out of combat for like a second before the blind or if they sit out of combat for a second after the blind

so sometimes you can still manage it

[indigo zealot]

that was my first lobby this season (lowest person besides my 0 rating was 2220ish, highest was around 2.3k) . and as i am quite bad at pvp i went 1-5 just to get into another 2.2k lobby...

[potent pivot]

gotta pay attention to mmr not cr

[indigo zealot]

ah yeah, true. is there a way to check ones mmr?

[potent pivot]

also what mmr did you leave off with last season

[potent pivot]

the scoreboard mid game or when the lobby ends

and install REFlex addon

or ArenaAnalytics if you only have Curseforge

[indigo zealot]

i do have that i think. Am not at my pc so cant check it.

[potent pivot]

yeh just start paying attention to mmr, its more important than cr for knowing where you stand tbh

[indigo zealot]

a at the bottom corner right? gotta start paying attention. thanks 😄

[potent pivot]

if you played last season and left off over 2k mmr, thats why you're starting out higher this season

because mmr didn't full reset this season for some reason

[indigo zealot]

might have had a high mmr yeah. was really lucky and went 6-0 3 or 4 times in a row

[stiff cedar]

Yeah I left my dragon at 2.4mmr, just played my first lobby on it this week and was 2200 even. If anyone wants a general idea how far back we were set, there it is

[warped gate]

So hey, just to clarify, we don't get a free piece of Glad gear when hitting 1600-something anymore?

[potent pivot]

nope. you get a catalyst charge.

we get free weapons after earning 2500 conquest

[warped gate]

And catalysts are only good if you got a piece of glad gear already, right?

[potent pivot]

ye

you use it to convert conq gear into tier set

doesn't really matter this late in the season

its only cool the first few weeks

[warped gate]

Gotcha, thanks.

Was hoping I could save some Conquest while gearing up with that.

[languid ravine]

Outlaw for one Evening: STUN DR EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE I GO

HELP

[languid ravine]

My 2000 rated healer is so busy flaming me he doesnt notice the Ret Paladin is controlled by a computer

[spring bough]

Everywhere DRs

[broken otter]

My personal favorite is when they stun a target that's already sitting in a stun.

Or like you blind a target, and they stop, and deliberately break the blind.

As if I blinded them just to hold them in place for 1sec so they could get their cast off on them.

(BGs)

90% of the time, it's a fucking Hunter too.

I don't know the abilities he used, because I've never played a Hunter, but last season, I had a Hunter clear my bleeds off of a target like 3 times back to back in a Battle for Gilneas

Think two were ice trap and that disorient shot they have

[dark kernel]

Diamond ice will do it and scatter acts as a blind effect I think

[hybrid palm]

Are ret palas broken or something? Lost 300 rating in back to back to back ret lobbies

They do so much damage

[potent pivot]

wouldn't say broken nah

they're good and just omega common zero brain class

[hybrid palm]

But like through 2-3 minute rounds they do 1.2-1.3m dmg rate

Is that normal ?

N they cause miss for so long, can't even hit

[potent pivot]

Ye

A few classes do dps like that

[hybrid palm]

How to counter that

[potent pivot]

Ret, warr, ww, DH

Enh shaman too

[hybrid palm]

What's the play around miss? Just wait it out ?

[potent pivot]

Ele as well iirc

You mean when they use an immunity?

[hybrid palm]

No , they do something that causes me to not register attacks

N keep a yellow line between me n them

[potent pivot]

That would be called an immunity

[hybrid palm]

No, it's not bubble, something they do to cause me to miss/ not register

[potent pivot]

Or you mean searing glare

You can dodge it

[hybrid palm]

How

[potent pivot]

By moving

It only hits people in a frontal cone

[hybrid palm]

Ok

[potent pivot]

If you get hit by it then you’re just afk for 4 seconds

[hybrid palm]

Ya I'm afk forever

Ok thanks! Will try this

[sacred wave]

@hybrid palm can step behind to dodge the glare, or kick

[lyric wigeon]

i didnt play rogue / pvp since shadowlands. is sub rogue still the mvp?

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs have been viable in pvp for a long time now

[lyric wigeon]

ty

[exotic dove]

Assa is miserable to play despite being viable why I play more sub now

especially in 3s

imo

[stoic spruce]

He means quadruple S tier

[hidden moth]

do the corruption enchants apply in pvp

[gusty hedge]

sub is on top of the 3

[potent pivot]

🧢

[stoic spruce]

Sub is called sub for a reason bucko

[wanton breach]

playing warrior is hard

[indigo zealot]

got executed for 3.5mill. i have 35% vers - oh you got hit for 4.3 nice

[wanton breach]

I was the one doing the hitting

playing alts with friends

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

Sheesh. I hope they nerf restless blades so we can’t stop this as often

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

Dude

I just

NEED

To see that nerf in pve

"The cooldown reduction is far greater than we would like so we are reducing the effectiveness of Restless Blades while keeping true to what Outlaw is."

And then no compensation buffs

6 hour slowmode to #outlaw inc

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw feels ok if no one in a shuffle lobby cc’s subterfuge

[stoic spruce]

I'm not getting into it

My morning has been great

[gleaming sentinel]

lol fair

[dark kernel]

I love WoW

[stoic spruce]

Freak

[verbal field]

season mount is actually sick or? I like its not the cloud serpent skeleton

[hidden moth]

wgere do i get the corruption things

[potent pivot]

they're not even out yet?

right?

they come out on reset

you get them from doing Horrific Visions

[hidden moth]

i thought that event was out already

ive been on classic doing fiend shit

[potent pivot]

nah they're doing this cringe time gated/staggered release of content shit

the only thing that came out with 11.1.5 was the Nightfallen event for pve catch up gear

then last week the Turbo Boost event which made gear 684ilvl

[hidden moth]

ah

what is nightfallen?

is that the coins for the free raid gear/ mythic track dungeon gear if u did all 12s

[potent pivot]

no

thats just dinars

nightfallen is just a world event and new rep with a vendor that sells every slot champion gear for tokens

google

[hidden moth]

i didnt even hear about the nightfallen event and wow head was being confusing

thank you for the info though i appreciate ya

[potent pivot]

yeh its basically worthless content if you play the game ngl

[hidden moth]

my main is 3k and 669 ilvl lol so aside from bneing able to snag the i got yesterday its been meh

[spring bough]

this was 2.1mil as the round ended lol

did 43mil to the ele and my war did 26mil so still more ST dmg lol

[broken otter]

The transmogs aren't even good or unique, either. It's just a re-skin of the questing gear.

There is a 0.4% mount that drops from the bags from dailies though

[potent pivot]

they're decent sets imo

[broken otter]

Meh, not a fan

[potent pivot]

recolors are recolors but like

its a .7 patch

[broken otter]

.5 but fair

[potent pivot]

at least they're giving us recolors

[broken otter]

.7 is on PTR atm

[potent pivot]

same shit different number

[broken otter]

Truth

lol

[potent pivot]

back in the day we would only get 1 color of shit

besides raid/pvp colors

so i don't think its ALL bad

[broken otter]

Nah, you're right. I'm just whining lol

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1228865/void-scarred-lynx

I got this at least

Took me like 5-6 days of doing all the dailies on 8 characters

[jaunty osprey]

good morning fellow rogues

[broken otter]

o7

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

just had a lobby. me n dh killed the arms and sin rogue LOL

[spring bough]

how many boxes was that lol

[broken otter]

30-38 I forget

per day

wait

my math is bad

8 * 3 * (5-6ish)

So 120 to 144

[hidden moth]

its not in gearing faq so

are assa using 4 set

[potent pivot]

ye

haven't updated that since like week 2 or 3

[jaunty osprey]

u're fired

[potent pivot]

back to the mines i go

[hidden moth]

i see that

plz update

[tight hill]

is it worth droppig some mast for 30% vers?

[potent pivot]

not really nah

if you feel like you're having a lot of trouble living you can, but it isn't necessary at all

[jaunty osprey]

is aff assa good again

[stoic spruce]

Again?

It hasn't been bad for a while

Yeah it's good

Big dam

[jaunty osprey]

it was definitely bad

all season

lol

[hidden moth]

so i kept seeign stuff of pvp bad

what happened when i took my break

[potent pivot]

wow bad

[stoic spruce]

Bad players sure

[jaunty osprey]

lmao

you're rage baiting forsure

[stoic spruce]

Nope

[gaunt egret]

Where can I look for to find super beginner PVP fundamentals? It seems like some videos only teach you with the impression that you have some background knowledge of PVP.

Why do people Sprint away in certain instances.

People mention re stealth but I can't stay in stealth even when im out of line of sight

How are people sapping even after a match has started in arena?

[hidden moth]

sprint away si prob bc enemy used a offensive cd

so if u make distance where trhey cant hit u during it u effectivly made them get 0 value from their big dam cd

like a war used avatar etc

restealth is great for reopeners

like assa has a big spike of poower when stealthjed and 12 seconds after leaving it so by hiding and droping combat to restealth is giving u that power jump while saving u a vanish charge etc

when the game starts that doesnt make people in combat

comnat drops after est 5 seconds of not doing a offensive action or taking a offensive action

or healing a person who is in combat

also blind doesnt reup combat

so u can kidney 5 sec into blind and if combat drops for that toon during blind u can resap

correct me if im wrong on any semantics @potent pivot and add to this reply plz

[stoic spruce]

Wasn't it 6?

[gaunt egret]

Some games have diminishing returns the more you cc a person, like the cc lasts shorter than it normally would if they get hit by too many consecutively. Is there anything like that in wow pvp?

[halcyon timber]

Yes 18sec DR

[hidden moth]

yes we have drs but not everything drs each other

example stuns do not dr blind and both dont dr silence

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-in-pvp-6024

gouge and sap dr each other
cheap shot and kidney dr each other
u do not have a ability that dr's blind or garote silence but other classes do

dr tracker addon is good for watching it as first use is full duration 2nd is 50% 3rd is 25% anything after 3rd they are immune

[gaunt egret]

Thanks I'll check that out

Super helpfull

[strange stag]

Guys how is outlaw and sub doin in blitz ??

[stoic spruce]

Sub is doing great

[glass hazel]

double 0:6 healer lobby /cry

so at best you can do just 3:3 😦

[glass hazel]

3 in a row

lol

whats going on -_-

one healer half afk other one pumps

does reporting helps with it? if all 5 will report same person

literally throwing games jumping around instead of healing

[stoic lava]

sub op outlaw mid af

[strange stag]

Sub burst is enough this patch ?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[gusty hedge]

sub still a bursty boy

[gusty hedge]

https://wago.io/7Dx6xkd4k

[strange stag]

What i didnt like once as sub was my cds not aligning with each other like dance,symbols, trinket,sblades,this venthyr shit, is it like that still ?

[gaunt egret]

Thank you so much

[glass hazel]

lol what a day healers just throwing games

not even dismount just jumping around

;x

"there is skill gap so i will jump around and let other team win" 2k hpal sheesh

how to report when he is not on your team?

[gusty hedge]

you still gotta set up to burst properly, but they'll def align once you get the hang of burst rotation, sub has more consistent damage now too so u dnt gotta wait and reset now.

[gusty hedge]

should be an option to report by clicking player frame during the match, you can also screen record/ clip and send report through battle.net support(world of Warcraft) attach screenshots and video link

[glass hazel]

hm dont have any tool to record -_-

any suggestion?

out of 10 matches today, 5 were like that, healer will just troll and message "i dont care bro, its twink etc"

))

i think i'm lucky

[gusty hedge]

if you have any nividia graphics card you should be able to save your gameplay (with options) like an instant replay you can edit how much time you wanna record. alt+x should bring up menu(might bring up discord overlay if you havent swapped binds)

oh hell yeah if you got screen of him saying that, def gameplay sabotage, enough reports they'll be dealt with but in game mostly goes through ai system.

[glass hazel]

yeah, i do have nvidia, thanks a lot

this trolls af

haha

[strange stag]

I mean there were times where u had to wait for symbols while having dance off cd and vice versa, still the think ? That was clunky

[red stag]

Any quick tips or guides for a brank new rogue looking to get into PvP?

[spring bough]

can we have like one day where the game bugs and we have 8 second kidney and 6 second cheaps in pvp? please lol

[gusty hedge]

i seen a bug( think its a bug) only seen it twice btw haven't tried, conceal shroud kept players invisible even tho they were out of range of the rogue. not a big deal but i was shook lol

[gusty hedge]

they buffed a few things not sure exactly tbh but i know you dont have to wait on certain cds to burst or do damage, its more consistent damage outside of sd /sb/subf windows

[gusty hedge]

learn basic rotations of class/ spec tbh, you have your opener rotation which is slightly different depending on the specialization. I would recommend practicing on pvp target dummies.
for rrogue id say grab Dr tracker( i feel its a must) to track your diminishing returns on stuns fears/sap etc.
id also check out murlok.io if u are also looking for builds / gear etc. there are a few guides for assasination and sub rogue on youtube, also a few streamers like nahj/ shadenox ( i cant remember the others tbh) i beleive shadenox has lots of guides over the years for sin( assasination) and nahj plays sub for the most part! some clips from his stream on twitch and youtube for quick guides, there is also Skill capped( no too sure if they are still publishing free guides). if looking for outlaw i would check up ryrogue on youtube he had some good tips for blitz and in general for new players.

[red stag]

Thanks !

[spring bough]

void elf any fun as a rogue

[gusty hedge]

yes for the pump fake mobility grapple here while spacial rifting in the opposite direction is goated

if u have nitro boots/ sprint its even better

[spring bough]

gonna level one up

void elf was the fastest hero race i ever unlocked was like 5 quests lmao

[halcyon timber]

Not a bug, that is our a subtlety talent . Shrouded in darkness. Nice to use when team mates fall out of combat so they cannot be chain ccd is how i use that in bgs among other ways. (Not usable in rated obviously though)

[halcyon timber]

They shifted some damage from macabre to core abilities which is roughly the same. You can kinda treat symbols like old school sanguinary vein which is nice. Still pair cds together though. (All good changes)

[gaunt egret]

1. I notice some streamers can tell when enemies are using their cooldowns so they sprint away. But how can they tell they're using their damage cooldowns?

2. Can you tell a target is sappable? But be a WA no?

[indigo hill]

Is there a place where you can see which spec is played the most and i mean of all classes?

[spring bough]

i just realized is there a season 2 pennant?

i got one from blitz in season 1 but dont have one for this one

[halcyon timber]

Big debuffs the addon shows that (i just custom make my elv ui to display the info i want on nameplates). There is a pin by trickz and the others for a recommended list of stuff.

Conditional Sapping a target can be seen through stuff like plater / better blizzplates / elvui. Might be able to make a WA but probably needs custom event triggers. After being a rogue for a long time, you kind of just develop a battle rhythm for it based off watching people do x y z (ex druid screwing around in travel form and you were watching as he dropped combat trying to run while not making any actions , then cries about getting sapped and his warlock gets smoked to an unga bunga ret)

[halcyon timber]

Drustvar / murlok.io etc

[indigo hill]

Ty

[halcyon timber]

No sweat man

[gaunt egret]

Super helpful

[halcyon timber]

The guys in here are very helpful so feel free to ask them.

Have fun, don’t get ticked or discouraged and if you do just take a break.

[dark kernel]

Rember when we did have like 9 seconds kidney in PvP

[spring bough]

was that legion?

[dark kernel]

I forgot watch expansion that was...I think legion

Yeah I think there was someway to empower a finisher and it worked on kidney to make it 50% longer lmfao

[halcyon timber]

Was combat only back in the bandits guile days

Iirc

[dark kernel]

Yeah it was actually in the game for a while, it was WoD

The first time tho was with revealing strike in Cata but nobody played it

[halcyon timber]

Combat was evolving and I hope Outlaw continues to evolve .

Dunno what they are possibly planning but they did mention outlaw several times in recent interviews

Still happy with overall design and less reliance on gimmicks to be effective. Definitely not an advocate for “ x spec only does y” nonsense though

[dark kernel]

They're probably going to gut killing spree again because of PvE babies

Despite the fact we never get burst damage except when KS is good.

[halcyon timber]

Outlaw def needs punch instead. Def don’t agree w pvers on stuff at all.

Definitely should be choices for all regardless of spec that includes elements of the past moving forward in innovative ways

[spring bough]

SOD has rogue tanks now and if retail ever did it outlaw would be prime

imagine queing shuffle as rogue tank XD

[wintry dew]

and they are freaking awesome

[spring bough]

imagine how mad all the melee kids would be "bro i cant even hit them" and we just doing the same amount of dps per usual too

how do we get this sacred templars tabard from tthe event?

cant find it online

[halcyon timber]

Isn’t that an evolving tabard with rep?

[wintry dew]

getting rank10

doable in a few days

[gaunt egret]

Do I have too drop combat to restealth even if im out of enemy line of sight? I seems when I try to do that I cant enter stealth at all for some reason

[wintry dew]

you can only stealth if you're out of combat

[gaunt egret]

Is it a time thing or a button to drop combat?

[wintry dew]

time thing

6-8 seconds, can't remember which of those

but you can't get hit by any dmg in that time

[gaunt egret]

oohh seems pretty hard to do then

[wintry dew]

yeah it isn't easy. You got 2 vanish charges for that too

and if you're playing nelf, you MIGHT get a restealth with their racial

[verbal field]

is there any way or tips to avoid draws in ss I am tired of it

[gaunt egret]

Why "Might"?

[wintry dew]

requires game knowledge like hell, and some luck

because you gotta shadowmeld when you're not dotted / in the mid of a fight where there's AoE going on and then press stealth

sounds "easy" but rare are the moments where this conditions are present

[gaunt egret]

ooohh I seee

[spring bough]

i think i would play my DK more if they werent so slow

[gleaming sentinel]

finally finding some moderate success in shuffle with trickster and tricks of the trade

[hidden moth]

Don’t be trash enough that someone goes 6-0

(No shade I’m memeing)

But that’s basically it u gotta be good enough to stop someone in the lobby from going 6-0

[dark kernel]

They are also the absolute worst tank lol

[stoic spruce]

We have room to talent into dfa for root breaks tbh

Hell I'm playing Boarding Party right now.

[fresh ermine]

any good outlaw weakauras

[stoic spruce]

Just the pve ones

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

deathstalker mark doesnt break

CC anymore

just realized

if i blind a target with mark, singular focus doesnt damage them

and gouge

kinda insane for target swapping now we dont have to blow a vanish just to get mark off

of healers

[wanton breach]

I've yet to see your mog with it

[wintry dew]

I cooked something few days ago, isn't great

[indigo hill]

I like it.

[tight hill]

on sin do ppl focus on deathstalkers mark? Feels like it takes way too much focus to get the proc off and not really worth it when could be thinking about cc etc

[calm roost]

as sub am i supposed to stack mastery ? im at 90% rn but 19% vers seems a bit low

[languid ravine]

"hmm I need to fix my Lay on Hands macro, well my Fury Warrior isnt gonna die in the 3 seconds that I am afk"
3 seconds later he dies

guess I did know better huh

[unique quarry]

Hello fellas! Im currently new to rogue and I would like to smash 1.8 for that nice skull set. But I dont know what spec should I roll. Most fun seems outlaw but idk how great is outlaw in pvp. What spec is currently like insanly good for 2v2 or shufle? Can you advice me what speac to learn to have fun and push rating good and not struggle?

[wanton breach]

Meh

[wintry dew]

Did someone told you to fuck off today or can I be the first one? Muahahaha

[wanton breach]

Not yet

So please go ahead :3

[wintry dew]

Fuck off biatch

[wanton breach]

[broken otter]

I really like it (and might steal it), but I'm not a fan of the legs.

[broken otter]

I'm 100% definitely not an authority on Rogue PvP, but echoing what I've seen in this channel, not Outlaw.

Assassination is easier to play, than Subtlety, but idk which is better in which bracket objectively.

[wintry dew]

Me neither

[broken otter]

I still have to get the 1.8k set on my Rogue too. I'm planning on taking Subtlety into Blitz, personally.

[fresh ermine]

when do I spend combo points on outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Wowwwwww

You think you know a guy

[stoic spruce]

5+

In subt

6/7 out of subt depending

[spring bough]

servers up?

[indigo hill]

Is there anything known about the head corruptions for pvp?

[spring bough]

Prob nerfed 50% or they don’t even work

Still gonna get it and slap it on everything lmao

[indigo hill]

Lets hope so.

[potent pivot]

Yeah. They’re only worth like 2% extra dps.

We don’t know which ones are best for which specs in pvp specifically for a week or so.

Until we test them all, just copy what they’re doing in pve maybe

The big thing we don’t know is if the dmg proc one’s break cc

[potent pivot]

Are you sure that’s not just the damage threshold?

When I checked on the PTR it was still happening, but I haven’t checked live in a bit

[spring bough]

is it sad i have 34 chars and they are all on tichondrius lol

what other pvp/pve realm is pretty active? tich used to be feels dead sometimes

[spring bough]

that dmg def gonna break CCs lol

[potent pivot]

It depends

The dmg might be too low to matter or cc clears the debuffs etc

Whether they spin nodes in blitz is also going to be important for blitz players but not for arena players

[spring bough]

im copping echoing void and thats the only one im getting

[potent pivot]

So lots to test

Is that the stat one?

[grave basin]

always go stat one

it's almost more worth than flat dam

[dark kernel]

If tich is dead I have bad news

[grave basin]

flat dam for some reason is just dogshit this expac unless it's queen mandate

[dark kernel]

Emerald Dream and it's not so healthy these days

[spring bough]

echoing does dmg. per the pin in outlaw channel its best for both aoe/st

[grave basin]

i miss mop emerald dream

bro

the amount of ganks

[spring bough]

looks like echoing gives haste too

def going that

[dark kernel]

We almost had another server discord then they purged it

[spring bough]

when i go to elwynn 0 people there lol

[potent pivot]

Twilight dev is the best in st

But yeah

[dark kernel]

GUSHING

[spring bough]

its like .2% behind twilightt dev in ST

[dark kernel]

Wound

[grave basin]

i honestly dont think it matters

unless there;s some insane combo like cyrce

circlet

my WW is still rocking that ring in pve till now

[potent pivot]

It’s really doesn’t

They’re all within like .1%

That’s why the effect is what matters imo

[grave basin]

watch how one will completely break pvp for some niche specs

and it's gonna take 4 weeks to nerf it

[dark kernel]

One of them will accidentally not have a pvp modifier on it

[potent pivot]

Void ritual is probably going to be the best one

Because it’s pure stats

[grave basin]

is it mastery?

or primary stat

[potent pivot]

I don’t think echoing gives any stats?

[grave basin]

Greater Rune of the Void Ritual Greater Rune of the Void Ritual
Gain Void Ritual, giving all your spells and abilities a chance to increase all secondary stats by 123 every second for 20 seconds.

im p sure this is gonna be the best

[potent pivot]

Void ritual is all stats stacking

Ye

[spring bough]

it doesnt i thought it did with how wowhead has it worded. the effect is increased by haste it looks like

[grave basin]

my windwanker

is ready

[spring bough]

so since some of us outlaws got like 20% haste, echoing gonna rip lol

[grave basin]

remember bois, abuse early abuse often

mods look away

[potent pivot]

It isn’t

[spring bough]

early and often like gem sockets on day 1 of the season 9/9

[grave basin]

yea imagine not having gems omegalul

[spring bough]

"Echoing Void provides a stacking buff on the player incredibly frequently, at a rate of 20 rppm + haste." then what does the + haste mean

a few of them have the X rppm + haste

[grave basin]

has any1 even tested it on players on ptr?

[potent pivot]

You might be looking at the wrong one

[spring bough]

thats from the echoing void one

[grave basin]

NA UP

NA UIP

[spring bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/most-patch-11-1-5-corruption-enchants-are-1-damage-increase-revisited-horrific-376271

[grave basin]

NA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UPNA UP

[potent pivot]

….

[grave basin]

race ya

[spring bough]

already at the vault lol

[grave basin]

bro

rigged?

wtf is this shiat

[potent pivot]

Wowhead on mobile is giving me aids I’ll check again on pc in a sec

[spring bough]

theres atleast 3 that say rppm + haste

so maybe classes with more haste gravitate to those

[potent pivot]

I think most people are gonna use the stats

Aoe procs in arena are usually meh

But

[grave basin]

where is the breadcrumb quest @spring bough

for visions?

[jaunty osprey]

100% sure

[spring bough]

idk ima hit the visions mark on the map in dorn and find out

[jaunty osprey]

tested it yday for a bit

[grave basin]

im blind

thanks

[potent pivot]

ill test again when i get on

[grave basin]

i just saw it

[potent pivot]

last time i tested was 11.1.5 so its been a bit

[grave basin]

is there any point to solo it

[spring bough]

yeah red eye on map has quest and que thingy

[grave basin]

@spring bough wanna do it with me

im like 663 ilvl

[spring bough]

i thought the visions were purely solo? we can group for them?

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

tested it on players as well yday

(Wait for video)

[grave basin]

i have no clue lol

i didnt play bfa

[spring bough]

check yo dm

[dark kernel]

I'm like 645 ilvl am.i cooked

I don't do PvE this season

[jaunty osprey]

actually insane that they fixed this

[potent pivot]

took em long enough

[pastel burrow]

we're so fucking back

[jaunty osprey]

gouge too

and

sheeps

fears

etc

[potent pivot]

are the SF dmg instances not happening??

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

[potent pivot]

check details

[jaunty osprey]

singular focus damage

doesnt work on CC that can break

to dmg

[potent pivot]

mmk

[jaunty osprey]

tested w sheep fear and etc

[potent pivot]

what about sap

[jaunty osprey]

same

[potent pivot]

just out of curiousity

mmk

that means they finally added the proper code tag to SF

[jaunty osprey]

accidentally swapped mark over to the dummy

but u can see that it works

for sap

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

echos gotta be the easiest thing lmao

[grave basin]

so erm

any1 got black blood residue

[potent pivot]

?

you loot it inside the visions

[grave basin]

from mobs?

[spring bough]

we just got it lol

[potent pivot]

objectives and chests is what the wowhead article says

https://www.wowhead.com/news/corruption-helm-enchants-from-revisited-horrific-visions-effects-and-how-to-376845

[spring bough]

visions beat what to do now

[grave basin]

gg no re

any1 knows if alliance can do the orgimmar vision?

cause there's an achievement to do both

[gusty turtle]

it alternates each week if its the same as bfa

i didnt test on the ptr so idk if its exactly the same or not

[verbal field]

same visions yes

[dark kernel]

I'm waiting like a drug addict to see some enchants tested

sniffffffffs

[potent pivot]

They all suck

[glass hazel]

gg what route did you use?

i'm like missing some sanity for last one -_-

[grave basin]

Did you upgrade your tree

You can put in the first row this week

Just went west south east then port back and killed the chapel in mid

[carmine marsh]

im gonna guess its void ritual for rogues like every other class rn

true?

[glass hazel]

yeah i did

ok i'll try thanks

[potent pivot]

Probably yeah

[grave basin]

akshually echoing void is bis for ww

so not too sure yet

[potent pivot]

void ritual is definitely bis for assa

if echoing void breaks cc with no way of controlling it i doubt it will be used much

[hidden moth]

Wait so

They fixed sf

So it won’t keep me in combat and won’t break cc?

[potent pivot]

apparently

not sure about combat

[hidden moth]

BLESSSSSSS!!!!

[potent pivot]

just cc

[hidden moth]

FUCKKKK!!!

[potent pivot]

i would assume restealths too but i haven't seen evidence yet

[hidden moth]

I just LOVE.l rezzing in bgb and being in combat bc of my dots across the fucking map

[potent pivot]

shouldn't be hard to test

[hidden moth]

True

I’m at work run

[potent pivot]

mark a dummy, rupture another, vanish

[hidden moth]

Rn

Last break of the day though

[jaunty osprey]

Combat is definitely still bugged, but CC break isn’t

[potent pivot]

[red stag]

Okay, little rant. New rogue,

How come when I fight a rogue on main, I can apply enough bleeds to spread their debuffs across three monitors. And when they vanish, they never get kicked from stealth.

When I vanish, i can use cloak of shadows or whatever I have available to clear debuffs, and vanish. But should I have single bleed on me, I am instantly kicked out.

Is there something I'm doing wrong to clear debuffs before vanishing?

[potent pivot]

nope

they removed Veil of Midnight

rogue can't clear physical debuffs anymore

[exotic dove]

Do I have to do these visions or can I just do pvp and not worry about it?

[potent pivot]

you gotta do them

to get the corruption enchants

[exotic dove]

How much of a dps loss is it if I dont I rather just do what I want to do and q shuffle

[potent pivot]

like 2%

[exotic dove]

oh ok thats fine shuffle it is

[potent pivot]

pretty sure its fast too

[exotic dove]

I hated them in bfa

[potent pivot]

was wondering where my shrug emote went

[wanton breach]

[potent pivot]

had to go find it and add it my own server now

[wanton breach]

I didn't take it

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

[potent pivot]

i guess the server it was from lost their nitro boosts

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

[glass hazel]

:x

start with mage tower was correct one

rest just meh

[potent pivot]

apparently void ritual has also gone live without the last nerf it got on PTR

so its def the play atm

[glass hazel]

why i'm not suprised

so its not even epic version yet -_- upgrade every week?

[potent pivot]

yeah its time gated

[frank ravine]

it seems basically worthless anyway

doesnt proc often and barely gives more than 1% stat

[potent pivot]

they're all basically worthless

the lesser versions are all worth <1% dps

iirc next week we get the greater versions

which are all worth ~2%

[exotic dove]

I find it funny that this corruption return does less than the elemental lens embelish

Unless someone dies in the opener without using a cd

[spring bough]

will they ever add the 1h sworrd mog to the elite vendor?

they added one late last season

want that back sheathed purple sword so bad lol

[sick wasp]

zeepeye streaming thundercleave with blizo in case u are interested 😉

[outer sky]

Hey does the "new" gushing wounds corruption count as a bleed towards Lethal Dose?

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

Nah

[outer sky]

Wtf why

It's a bleed

[potent pivot]

Talents and abilities only work on talents and abilities

[outer sky]

That's such bullshit omg

[potent pivot]

Basically nothing these days interacts with enchants or other items

Just set and forget on Void Ritual

[outer sky]

I take it they all suck?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

The lesser versions we get today are all like sub 1% dps

The greater versions we get next week I think, are all like ~2% dps

Void ritual is guaranteed not to break CC and is also one of the better ones anyway

[outer sky]

Are we SURE this doesn't work with gushing?

Il submit a bug report

[potent pivot]

It’s not a bug

They specifically whitelist all talents and abilities these days so that they don’t interact with enchants or item effects

[outer sky]

That's so lame

[potent pivot]

That’s just the game these days

It’s impossible to balance enchants/trinkets if they interact with class abilities

[hidden moth]

meanwhile ringing ritual mud is working with felscared talents for dh

do i gotta do visions on every toon or can i jsut unlock them on one and be good

[potent pivot]

No idea

You need the currency to buy them

[hidden moth]

did anyone test the combat stuff yet with sf

[potent pivot]

I think it’s war bound? But idk

[potent pivot]

It’s still locks you in combat

[hidden moth]

killing myself

[glass hazel]

its war bound

can just buy on main for 500

[hidden moth]

500 what

[glass hazel]

mementos

or smth

[hidden moth]

oh

[glass hazel]

1 boss kill

[potent pivot]

Go read the wowhead post big dog

[hidden moth]

okey new currency

[potent pivot]

Ye

[hidden moth]

why read wowhead when i can have trickz hold my hand'

[potent pivot]

Wowhead posted a guide like a couple hours ago

[hidden moth]

ive had a long day at work and could use the comforting

[glass hazel]

i got mask but it is so cursed

-50% sanity

without buffs cant be played

[keen canopy]

it's really not so bad

[hidden moth]

they are 1k not 500

[keen canopy]

lesser corruptions are 500 greater ones are 1000

cant get greater ones right now

timegated

[hidden moth]

TF

WHATS TGHE POINT OF SPENDING 500 ON LESSER TO HAVE TO SPEND 1K NEXT WEEK ON THE GREATER?

[keen canopy]

some questions we may never have answers to

[potent pivot]

you get the currency really fast i think

[keen canopy]

you get like 500 minimum like every run though

yeah thats what im saying

it's not exactly a big grind

i've been playing for like an hour or 2 maybe and i have 7000

[hidden moth]

OH DAMN

[dark kernel]

Wait did they actually time gate the stupid enchant

Like why

[frank ravine]

take longer to achiev goal = more sub money

[fresh ermine]

solo shuffle is a plot by blizz

[hidden moth]

not doing it

nope

chain stun getting hit with walls

hit through walls with 1 shot mechs

'UR HOSTILE TO ENEMYS
HASTE REDUCED 100%
MOVEMENT SPEED REDUCED 50%

how tf is this fun to anyone

[exotic dove]

You dont have to do it its negligible

[hidden moth]

till its bugged and 1 shots everything lol

[potent pivot]

its only negligible this week really

once we can buy the greater versions of the enchants i'd def recommend getting em

[warped gate]

So hey, when it comes to Outlaw in PvP, I'm using Trickster for the first time, is there stuff I should be tracking and what not?

[potent pivot]

not really

[warped gate]

I genuinely can't tell if I'm hitting harder or not, I'm just doing it to switch things up.

[potent pivot]

you can smash everything on CD

rtb on CD unless you have 5 buff

KS on CD is important for trickster interaction

the only thing you really need to track is your rtb buffs, and adrenaline rush

because you need to vanish to upkeep ADR

[potent pivot]

https://wago.io/TIgC_QiQz

this is the only wa you really need for example

[warped gate]

Wait, what do you mean by this?

[potent pivot]

you don't know that vanish extends ADR?

[warped gate]

No? :x

[warped gate]

Way ahead of ya there.

[potent pivot]

then you've probably been doing some shit damage

read yo talents

extending ADR is huge

[warped gate]

Oh, does Hidden Opportunity count as stealth?

[potent pivot]

huh

[warped gate]

Wait.

reads

[potent pivot]

subterfuge counts as stealth

vanish gives subterfuge

[warped gate]

Yeah, my bad.

[potent pivot]

subterfuge pauses ADR buff from counting down

so you can extend ADR by using vanish

[warped gate]

Yeah, I got that already, I just wasn't putting two and two together on the interaction.

My bad.

[potent pivot]

i see

you can have really high uptime on ADR, its very big

[warped gate]

Is it worth sitting on ADR to have back to back Vanishes, or should you send it if you just got one?

[potent pivot]

nah

you send everything on CD

with cdr things come back up quickly

[warped gate]

Copy, I gotcha.

Also I heard we got our CDR nerfed big time while I was on break, where did they nerf it at?

[potent pivot]

wdym where

[warped gate]

I never caught the specifics.

Just that it happened.

[potent pivot]

they nerfed RB by 20% in pvp

[warped gate]

Ahhhhh.

[potent pivot]

so instead of 1sec per combo point spent, its 0.8sec per combo point spent

its not the end of the world, but it sort fucks up the flow outlaw had, rotationally

the nerf to CDR on utility was warranted

it just feels sorta awkward having nerfed CDR across the board, like on your damage abilities

outlaw was already doing kinda shit dmg before the nerf

[warped gate]

Yeah, that's why I'm surprised that it went down.

[potent pivot]

so it made most outlaws very displeased

[spring bough]

i started playing more KIR in rateds and i can get 6 buffs pretty much every round extended lol

[warped gate]

How so?

I play KiR in Solo Shuffle too, just because I think it's fun, I don't really care about pushing rating or anything like that. I'm just doing PvP for the love of the game. ;3

[lucid citrus]

Do we want assistance when doing the visions?

[potent pivot]

?

[minor moss]

do we know what helm enchant we want for pvp ?

[potent pivot]

they're all like 1% dps

the main one that is decent and won't break CC is Void Ritual

gushing wounds is aight

[lucid citrus]

to do the horrific visions? like whihc is is best for us to go through?

[potent pivot]

oh, idk

[lucid citrus]

all good lol

[jaunty osprey]

dont use

any

if you use it, it scales it to 2 people

[hidden moth]

cant do mage tower area

wont let me into portal room with all the adds in mage tower zone dead

yes all the goos

yes all the portal masters

yes the adds in mid

[spring bough]

i been doing healing

[spring bough]

using that scales the instance to 2 ppl??

[low moon]

i doubt it, its still insanely easy

[frank ravine]

seems like twilight dev is the only enchant that does anything

infinte stars literally never procs a second time and only hits for 115k on the first proc

this is on a pvp dummy

331k in a duel

trash

[potent pivot]

Gushing wound and void ritual are alright too

[frank ravine]

i mean not really tho

[potent pivot]

They’re all only worth like 1% dps increase

[frank ravine]

the proc rate on void ritual is low and it ended up being 2% mastery

so... 40k dmg on a big evis if it happens to proc during ur go

[potent pivot]

The proc is 20seconds

[frank ravine]

they all seem practically worthless

[potent pivot]

We only have the Lesser versions right now

[frank ravine]

infinite stars might be bugged. it literally will never proc a second time in my testing

[potent pivot]

Ye.. they’re all 1% dps

They’re also nerfed in pvp

So dummy testing won’t be correct

[frank ravine]

i know i tested in a duel

[potent pivot]

Echoing void is also bugged

Void ritual is actually stronger than it’s supposed to be rn

[frank ravine]

havent tried gushing yet but i think twilight dev is the best so far, which isnt saying much

[potent pivot]

Gushing will do 1-1.5% of your dps, if you’re doing damage properly

[exotic dove]

Is there something I dont know about. Had two lobbies that both had a dev evoker in it where one person decides to boycott and afk all 6 rounds cause Dev evoker is busted. One ok its some disgruntled guy but from two different people. Random coincidence or is there a reddit somewhere I dont know about

[jaunty osprey]

none of this will be noticable

so dw

[potent pivot]

Yep

[jaunty osprey]

what you guys should be worrying about is

doing masked runs to get your bike mats

[exotic dove]

Well I get a free rid for my visions. The healer friend I do two with going to let me auto follow him if possible through a horrific vision while I do shuffle on the other account on other monitor

Bike does look cool though

[proper heath]

Guys I'm confused, What does Auto hot key do that macros can't do?

Whats the discourse here?

Someone update me

[potent pivot]

AHK can do your entire rotation and perfect kicks n shit

what discourse are you referring to

[proper heath]

What AWC'ers are accusing each other of

Doesn't auto hotkey work the exact same as macros?

[potent pivot]

no

[proper heath]

Perfect kicks? I didn't know autohotkey could detect casts

[potent pivot]

it can use pixel colors to automate actions

[proper heath]

Oh... shit ok. I'm a noob at using AHK then LOL. I use them in other games the same as wow macros.

[potent pivot]

its also not even really AHK that AWC players are accusing each other of using as far as i know

its just keyboard software

[proper heath]

oh. There was that meme of autohotkey being spread around. I was just trying to get caught up on what functions they are referring to

[potent pivot]

people were calling it AHK because there isn't a better name for it other than 'keyboard software'

but some people in AWC were using stuff like Turbo Trigger from keyboard softwares

[proper heath]

ohhh.. So they werent referring to AHK , it's referring to something else.

Dammit. See. The meme is too deep.

[potent pivot]

so like

the thing that was being used, if you hold down a keybind, it will spam activate that bind 20+ times per second

[proper heath]

So it would eliminate the delay a human finger would have on a macro.

[potent pivot]

so if 2 rogues run at each other, one manually spamming cheap shot, and the other using the software, the guy using the software will land his cheap shot first

yeah

[proper heath]

ok. I mean that tech has been around literally for decades.

[potent pivot]

yes, but its ToS

the people doing it were using the argument of "its not AHK, everyone can do it, blah blah blah"

but it clearly states in ToS that using software for inputs is against the rules

[proper heath]

I see. ok thanks for catching me up. I'm now up to date. It's whatever drama.

[potent pivot]

yep

[spring bough]

jackpot on some weps goes pretty good

hated it at first lol

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw fun yet?

I know the answer. I'm just looking for like minded individuals for my cult

[spring bough]

yes

KIR

so much fun its not even funny

6 bones buffs almost every round is ez pz

[stoic spruce]

I get 6 bones buffs without kir

Gg go next expac

[spring bough]

you bugging

[stoic spruce]

If I weren't at work I'd show you

[stoic spruce]

I'm bigging

Big dif

My stocks so high, they're a danger to birds

Stocks so high, I gotta put those blinking lights so planes don't hit it

[warped gate]

I picked quite a time to reroll off of WW Monk.

Memeing since I was just babysitting the healer who I kept Sapped a mile away, but still.

[outer sky]

just logged in for the 1st time today and I didnt get a quest pop up

How do i do the visions?

[grave basin]

Open map

See eye icon

Go to eye icon and start quests

(yes it's dumb there's no breadcrumb quest)

[potent pivot]

@spring bough try twilight dev

[spring bough]

Does it have a cool visual?

[potent pivot]

idk, but its 1rppm hasted and can high roll

better than echoing rn

[spring bough]

Damn gonna check it out tomorrow. Got like 22% haste on my pvp set 😂

[potent pivot]

echoing was supposedly fixed but its still doing .5% do idk

til its actually fixed or something i think TDs the play

[spring bough]

TD was good in aoe too right?

They unpinned the thingy can’t see what the DPS was lol

[potent pivot]

its frontal off of you

[spring bough]

Oooo got it. Does it have a cool visual too?

[potent pivot]

no idea i haven't done anything myself yet

just looking at logs and talking with others

[spring bough]

Hope it looks cool and slaps up with a tone of haste lol

Gd on the epic one the tool tip is 430k dmg and echoing going for 123k a tick

Know if twilight dmg is split or is it 430k to each?

[potent pivot]

it does 2.8m per proc in pve

like ~1.2m in pvp

and thats for the lesser version

[spring bough]

Not bad at all

Finally some PVE stuff doing dmg in PvP lol

[outer sky]

so we choose void rit?

like for sure?

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t really matter

They’re all like 1% dps and you can change em freely right

[outer sky]

you have to farm them all though right?

[potent pivot]

Ritual/gushing/twilight dev/appendage all seem roughly the same

[potent pivot]

It takes like an hour to farm enough currency to buy them all or some shit

[outer sky]

the currency is easy its those black blood things

1 per extra area

[jaunty osprey]

i farmed 10k

in under 1 hr

[outer sky]

OH

[jaunty osprey]

also tested every single corruption in arenas, it does not matter what you play

[outer sky]

you only need that blood shit

for teh 1st one

[jaunty osprey]

ya u need that to unlock the vendor

pretty much

once u get the free quest one the vendor unlocks

[outer sky]

Can you confirm that gushing doesnt work with lethal dose? I think ttahts the dumbest thing ever if it really doesnt

[jaunty osprey]

it doesnt

talents

are whitelisted

for class abilities only

[potent pivot]

Second guessing me?

[jaunty osprey]

they changed it

in DF

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

it just seems so ridiculous

[jaunty osprey]

instead of doing a blacklist like "X doesnt work with X"

they made a whitelist

[outer sky]

i think it would be better gameplay if it did

[jaunty osprey]

of approved abilities

that modify it

[outer sky]

specific ones that synergize better with certain classes and specs

[potent pivot]

That’s just how the game works

[outer sky]

more immersive

[potent pivot]

Even back in the day it was like a grey area

Sometimes shit would interact with talents/abilities, sometimes it wouldn’t

And it was never apparent

So they finally took a more firm approach on nothing interacting to make the game simpler to understand

[jaunty osprey]

zicore, try out all the diff corruptions though

see which ones u like

[outer sky]

LMFAO why even put this shit in the game

if theyre going to make it THIS irrelevant

[potent pivot]

Bigger than your ring enchants

[outer sky]

I use cursed mastery

[jaunty osprey]

they all do 1%

every corruption

it's just about how you want your damage

[potent pivot]

Ye but all enchants/embellishments are borderline zdps

[jaunty osprey]

do you want one single big hit

do you want stats that buffs everything

do you want a dot

[outer sky]

I'd prefer a DoT

i already knew id take gushing if it didnt matter

I may try Void rit

[potent pivot]

When we get the greater versions of the enchants in two weeks

It’ll do like 2% of your dps

[outer sky]

Huge

[jaunty osprey]

twilight dev can win games in a bomb no trinket

situation

[fading blade]

going full one shot nuke

[potent pivot]

It can also crit for even bigger hits

[jaunty osprey]

im watching my vods back

holy shit

they literally just missed them

by 1 pixel

LOL

it's so funny

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[outer sky]

feel like TD would be more annoying randomly breaking CC

[jaunty osprey]

cc has damage threshold now

[potent pivot]

It’s hard to even hit your target with it

So it breaking a soft cc would be kinda low chance

[outer sky]

how much is it hitting for?

[potent pivot]

~1.2m average I think

[outer sky]

mmm

[potent pivot]

It’s 1rppm hasted

[outer sky]

that does seem kinda good

it happens once per minute?

[potent pivot]

But it does dmg in a very tight frontal

[jaunty osprey]

minimum once per min

can hit more

[potent pivot]

Once per minute base

It’s hasted and can high roll

[outer sky]

so what like 2/min average?

[jaunty osprey]

1/min avg

can hit more

[potent pivot]

Just varies

[proper heath]

What ilvl should our pvp gear be? With the turbo boost?

Do we need to do anything to get turbo boosted?

[potent pivot]

it should just auto be 684

[proper heath]

ok so I dont have to do shit?

[potent pivot]

right

[proper heath]

Btw Notrickz u been playing assa?

well it doesn't matter . My point of question is. I'm able to Giga Giga over cap mastery. to the 20% DR mark.

Everyone can. You guys think it's worth?

I downloaded true stats addon. And holy shit my mastery is HELLA Dr'd . Twice DR

[potent pivot]

just copy gear from murlok

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/3v3#gear

just use the most popular item for each slot

4 set, crafted neck/rings, couple wpvp pieces, couple more crafted pieces, daggers from conq vendor, etc

[proper heath]

👍

[outer sky]

once you unlock the vendor for the corruptions does it unlock for all characters?

[idle sundial]

yeah i bought shit from the vendor on my alt

i just had to warband transfer the currency

[grave basin]

It's like 1hr of effort for your entire warband

Kinda tame as far as borrowed power goes

[stoic marsh]

What are y’all rolling for assa talent? Kingsbane or serrated bone spikes?

[broken otter]

I don't play Assa and I suck at Rogue, but to echo what I've seen in here - to get you by until an actual Rogue can answer you, - they don't play Kingsbane.

[stoic marsh]

Been wondering cause I’m getting close to the 2k mark still using kingsbane and that’s what the top 2 players are using right now but that for 2v2s while me and my buddy find a healer for 3s (think we found one). But yeah was just curious on some other peoples opinions

[broken otter]

Yeah, well my peak Rogue rating was 1700 in SL S2 (lol). So, ignore what I said I guess

I know they've talked about it in here, before, recently

I suggest doing a channel search for the "Kingsbane" term. You'll probably see some of their discussions

[stoic marsh]

After reading a bit it seems my build with kb is still good and viable it’s just used nearly as much

And I can see why but it’s worked thus far and isn’t obsolete so I’ll keep running it for now

As long as I don’t run into that multi R1 warrior again, he hurt like a lot

[simple snow]

What corruption are we thinking for sub rogue pvp?

[gusty hedge]

👀

[glass hazel]

we run 25-26 vers rest mastery

but you can try min max if you want

kb pure optional right now its not good not bad somewhere middle of the pack

[proper heath]

?

[proper heath]

kingsbane?

[glass hazel]

yes

[proper heath]

I was running stats through raidbots (yes I know) it's not complete legit for pvp. However, considering ilvl, haste has insane insane insane value when our mastery is through the roof like this.

I feel like theres min max value dropping a bit of mastery for haste.

I mean we are talking triple value haste to mastery. It's wild.

[glass hazel]

🙂 if you feel like you want to try sure why not

most of pvp people here dont really care about stats they can win in greens

[proper heath]

Not as assa!

I've tried assa in greens. Zero dam club

[glass hazel]

i feel no dam only vs dk usually

rest somehow works