pvp

[stoic spruce]

It pumps

It's nothing crazy but still

I'm not sharing it, I'm just letting yall know that I'll be doing most damage and then doing nothing with it.

A pirates life for me

☠️

[spring bough]

my new outlaw build is called hunter

[stoic spruce]

Based

But also I'm playing dk as well so I can't say anything

[spring bough]

i feel like i want something diff frrom rogue after 2 years of crackshotting but idk what

[verbal field]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[fresh ermine]

whats the best spec with arcane

[jaunty osprey]

ya the tuning sucks

DH already pumps damage

and got a buff xd

[potent pivot]

yeah kinda weird for sure

[glass hazel]

yeah with hpal+retri i usually do 3:3 at best 😦

you press dm it is insta removed, sometimes better not to press at all lol then some ignore regular dots

mind games at 2k mmr 😄

[exotic dove]

I had too good of a day on one of my Rogues today started with a 6-6 a 5-1 a 3-3 then a 5-1 now my qs are 45 minutes funs over

😦

[jaunty osprey]

ur fault for winning smh

[exotic dove]

yeah

[languid ravine]

my losing streak continues, I am now losing games where I kill 4 people in one pillar of frost 300-1500 because one Ret cant defend a fucking base

last game I had a Warlock who did 10% (!) of my total damage

TEN PERCENT

[ionic orbit]

should you use at least 1 bloodstone for the 5% damage reduction or just use a onyx for mastery/onyx? so far i have 3 onyx gems

[glass hazel]

You must not should it's free dr

[potent pivot]

yes you want to use the dmg reduction gem

[ionic orbit]

I'm guessing you can only use 1? 5% doesn't stack?

[potent pivot]

as long as you have at least 1 other socket with a stat gem to proc Lens dmg

doesn't stack

[glass hazel]

1 yes

[potent pivot]

correct

[ionic orbit]

Eww I just applied my crippling poison before wound poison by accident 🤮

[sterile prairie]

Yo how do you get sockets on Pvp rings?

[potent pivot]

by buying the socket item off one of the pvp vendors

[sterile prairie]

Ah yes thank you

[glass hazel]

fury and balance burst insane

like too much ---

like elem before nerfs can do 60-0 in seconds

[gusty orchid]

whats better follow the blood or momentum of despair on assa deathstalker

[glass hazel]

fury in my team killed disc while silence from garrote was active -_-

i run follow the blood since we dont have crit in pvp gear

just check what people run most on murloc and you should be fine

[potent pivot]

blood

[ionic orbit]

I've been doing better in solo shuffle lately, growing in rating slowly and steadily. But gosh just TWO bad sets of SS and days of rating progress are gone.

Sublety sometimes gets really annoying doing meaningless damage for 30-45 seconds at a time just waiting for shadow dance.

[low moon]

how much does the conq cap lift per week / do we know when its gone? i need 250c for my boots 😦 lol

[potent pivot]

+600 per week

[low moon]

ty sir

[potent pivot]

conquest is usually uncapped

by week 11 of the season

which should be the week of may 13th iirc

[low moon]

ok cool, tyvm

[grave basin]

i lost almost 150 cr in two queue sessions

got r1 DK in my 2.2 lob then next lob venruki on his warrior

[potent pivot]

venwookie has to squeeze in his last minute fotm reroller push!

i start mine tomorrow

[grave basin]

had to stop for the night

or was gonna tilt queue

and that's just gonna end up with -500 cr

who else Gemmaxxing

comp stomp has been good for this

[stoic spruce]

I'm not running any gems or enchants

[potent pivot]

I almost like the mog

I’m still keeping it down to 2 sockets on my alts so far

Too many characters to be grinding out that many sockets

[jolly sierra]

i've lose 72 into a 0-6 with the monk

i faced both a devoker and a huntard in the same match

crap

[grave basin]

https://wago.io/Sgm0lMT3z

bois check this out

[grave basin]

based and nakedpilled

[potent pivot]

Everyone should have that already

Low key trolling without it

[grave basin]

this one shows what spells you have to break them out

[potent pivot]

[grave basin]

like an upgraded version

[potent pivot]

Yeah

That’s dope

Does it also show dps in cc?

So I can link it in all my shuffles for the healers?

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

There’s one that does

It’ll show you both even as the other dps

[pliant mauve]

Did they buff rating gains in shuffle? Started at 0 rating this afternoon and flew to 2200 with like a 53% win rate. Seems way faster than usual.

[potent pivot]

don't think so

its just more inflated than the start of the season

[odd lark]

Hello guys! can ia ask what is a best opener for Outlaw Rogue in s2 ?

[stoic spruce]

Damn, was hoping someone would ask about the opener in S1

[stoic spruce]

Rtb, adr, gs, bte,

Excluding the CCs on healer

Your opener is how you play all game

[odd lark]

oh okay Thank u so much Mr.!

[stoic spruce]

You're welcome

[verbal field]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[stoic spruce]

Does silence prevent cloak?

Icr

[dark kernel]

Yeah this season actually isn't very inflated everyone already quit and so rating gains kind of evapuatate around 2100 in 3s

Rank 1 players kind of hovering 2400

[spring bough]

i feel like doing nothing but level characters rn but i gotta push this urge till legion remix lol

[spring bough]

That’s pretty hot ngl cause I have no idea when to hit that sanctuary shit as paladin 😂

[exotic dove]

You start at 1830 mmr now in shuffle might hae gone up a tad since last week. This is on a brand new alt. My main Rogue started this eason at 2200 mmr. So it depends on if you played last season or not where you start too

[harsh kiln]

what a fucking nightmare shuffle is atm xD

need to wait untill wednesday for some warrior and ret nerfs..

[grave basin]

dont think it will make a difference

frost mage still ruining the ladder

[stiff cedar]

Lmao I love to see this getting some love. My boy made this, I helped with testing.

[grave basin]

it's good

[stiff cedar]

It is...it definitely should not be in the game lmfao

[verbal field]

with sub I open into get full stunned into everyone on me into one shot, any tips how to avoid this?

[potent pivot]

trinket cloak or evasion if you absolutely have to

sucks to use them in the opener

but its better than dying in the ope

try to get a sap and then stun your opener target before opening with damage globals

[verbal field]

really sucks

[indigo hill]

Has anyone seen one of these show up in shuffle Oldmamraiku-Whaazzileave-Binmex?

[potent pivot]

is that you Jrex?

[indigo hill]

I dont know who Jrex is.

[potent pivot]

he made the forum post about them on EU

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/oldmamraiku-whaazzileave-binmex-using-kick-bot/572177

this one

the guy he's talking about also goes by "Wealon"

at first he was just AFKing/trolling/leaving shuffles, now he's started kick botting apparently and already has been banned on other accounts for kick botting in the past

[indigo hill]

I saw that post. Was wondering if he was known here cause i think i saw one of those names pop up here a few days ago.

[potent pivot]

we were talking about him the other day

me and @grave basin

[indigo hill]

Yeah, no im not feljrex.

I dont play DH.

[potent pivot]

i think thats just some random alt Jrex uses for forums or something

i only know him from Whaazz's stream

[indigo hill]

Ah ok, no i'm the first one replying to that post.

[potent pivot]

yeah np

just thought it was funny because i knew he had just made the post

but in general i think its good to make people aware of people cheating/griefing etc

[unique mesa]

do you use wond og deadly posion as assa in arena 2s ?

[potent pivot]

wound/crippling always basically

[minor moss]

Any ideas of when conquest boxes are coming ?

[potent pivot]

most likely the week of may 13th i think

[minor moss]

Cool cool ty

[languid ravine]

People still calling for "mass reports" as a solution to anything, even while already we know mass reports is a double edged sword and much more likely to hit the normal players and not the mass abusers

yes yes I know the forums are meaningless too

[potent pivot]

i don't think anyone was genuinely calling for mass reports

[languid ravine]

oh good then I dont have to worry about mass reports

[potent pivot]

yeh i really think it was just a post to make people aware of the person, so if they run into him in a shuffle they can look at them through the lens of 'is he cheating right now?' and report them accordingly

[glass hazel]

how to survive burst lol, even through feint mages\wars just deplete me

esp mages feels broken somehow

[potent pivot]

supposed reward system rework for season 3 "leak"

@upbeat anchor sorry for ping in here, but, you seen this?

[upbeat anchor]

LOL

[potent pivot]

"LFR removed, now Normal raid will be solo queue"

its hilarious

[glass hazel]

😄

glad mount at 1400

i like that one

[potent pivot]

yeah there's just no shot haha

[glass hazel]

no titles for shuffle but blitz has one

[gleaming sentinel]

Nice b8

[glass hazel]

what skill/talent removes nameplate from hunter?

first time see that one Oo

[potent pivot]

when they feign death lol

[glass hazel]

nah he was running

without it

[potent pivot]

ye it can take a second to come back

[glass hazel]

oh

was so confused

thought killed him 😦

then he killed me with double 1.5m flanking

i mean glad mount as earnable would be nice

and for title just different skin

more "handsome"

not what is given rn, some random fish

[jolly sierra]

he sounds like a charlatan

tbh+

lol

[dark kernel]

The glad mount being an evolving mount has been a suggested change multiple times though

[potent pivot]

Yeah but 1400 sounds pretty far fetched lol

[stoic spruce]

That post makes me more and more nauseous everytime I see it lol

[glass hazel]

1600-1800 maybe

)

[languid ravine]

NONONO it needs to be the most EXCLUSIVE thing in the world if more than 0,05% of all WoW players can get it whats the point might as well buy it from the WoWShop

only 85.99$ for the base version

[dark kernel]

This is more believable

[dark kernel]

Dude people legit just say make it start at 1K so collectathon babies will pvp

but make it super plain

[potent pivot]

I don’t see how any rewards under 1800 would drive engagement whatsoever

[dark kernel]

I personally dont either, the current modern age of psychology behind gaming baffles me somewhat

I know there is an advantage to having cosmetics available at achievement rating, but a part of me believes having it tied to the participation base and only given post-season actually helped people playing

[potent pivot]

No I mean like

Do people under 1600 actually exist?

I swear they’re a fairy tale

[dark kernel]

ahhh yeah there are a few

I think the player base is like...split into 3 maybe 4 major groups of players

[potent pivot]

But how many of those people just stopped queuing, while their MMR is like 1850?

[dark kernel]

Well like. Even though the game is 20 years old there are a very few amount of new players or PvE players that WANT to pvp or are beginners that are just like...super anxious dont want to queue, or find it difficult barrier to actually get into

[potent pivot]

Idk

[stoic spruce]

How yall look when yall queue for blitz and shuffle

[potent pivot]

They definitely need to rework the rating system

And make it into something that rewards playing the whole season

Make one of those things LoL has

[stoic spruce]

Like a battlepass??

[potent pivot]

Where u earn points for playing to buy rewards

[stoic spruce]

They could do that with the crazy amount of honor and conquest we get during the season

[potent pivot]

But then also have the coolest rewards behind obtaining ranks

[stoic spruce]

We need a real feasible honor sink

[potent pivot]

Sockets right now

[stoic spruce]

Lol ikr

[potent pivot]

They’re so unimpactful

The amount they cost isn’t justified

I like being able to just buy them but good lord

[stoic spruce]

I liked when honor upgraded pve ilvl on pvp gear

But the problem with that is that eventually it'd be totally upgraded and you'd have the same problem

[glass hazel]

need some conq\honor sink

maybe mounts\pets i dunno

cause once you "bis" thats it nothing to spend anymore just pile up on alts

[dark kernel]

im still slowly continuing the outlaw dream

oh i left out the shit ohwell

[potent pivot]

you can buy the conquest appearances off the conq vendor

for mog

thats about it tho

[glass hazel]

exactly need something more impactful

[burnt hornet]

Hey all, do any of you have any recommendations for Sub Rogue pvp creators? Learning the spec and all

[potent pivot]

just Nahj or Whaazz really

[burnt hornet]

This short is from seven months ago, is it still valid?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WAVWeKeyYMk

Thanks for the heads up btw

I could go watch his most recent VODs too I suppose

[potent pivot]

yes and no, you have to replace the spells that sub no longer has, like sepsis, with a shadowstrike or cheap shot

and we don't rupture in our burst window anymore

so you'd just evis there instead

and try to upkeep ruptures between Dances

[potent pivot]

yeah

[burnt hornet]

Thanks man! I'm gonna go practice it

[stoic lava]

my goat keep living the dream

[upbeat bear]

Outlaw feels so shit man

[stoic spruce]

We should start giving warnings to people who ask about starting with outlaw

[stoic lava]

Outlaws sick

[digital meteor]

how long would it take to farm 1k conquest and what is the best way to do so?

[lone valve]

Is outlaw that bad in shuffle rn?

[upbeat bear]

Its defently not good atm

[stoic spruce]

If you have a teammate that also doesn't have kill pressure you're gonna have a bad time.

[lone valve]

i see

i'm looking to get all my alts to 1.8k for the mogs and only played outlaw in previous seasons

might give sub a try this time i guess

haven't played it since sl

[indigo hill]

You can pick up the weekly pvp quest and do the brawl 4 times. That will give you about 500 in maybe 20 min. After that solo shuffle and if you do wintergrasp you can pick up a quest there to get 250 conquest by killing 10 mobs.

[glass hazel]

Ashran 250 as well I think

[indigo hill]

Yeah but you have to kill the boss and that doesn't happen often in my experience.

[verbal field]

does the stealth sap macro also work on targets which are not in stealth?

[gusty hedge]

ive been seeing alot more outlaw rogues in open world now, but no buffs to spec, wondering why the switch for rogues who've only played the other 2 specs.
Got me wanting to play my outlaw

[gusty hedge]

i havent done ss(outlaw ) since i went 1-5 almost 2 months now
Glad you're pushing

[dark kernel]

It's the slowest push of all time dude. My baby is waking up at all hours of the night so I play like maybe three shuffles a week

Once I get back to 2100 the real fun begins

[spring bough]

cant get enough of enhance shaman right now. wish the tier set looked better for mog lol

[spring bough]

anyone notice this "bottle of mysterious wisdom" appear in your bags? some xp boost buff

[dark kernel]

Is it from the event?

[spring bough]

think so. extra 10% against mobs and from quests. leveling too ez right now

[neon spade]

anyone have links to sub rogue pvp rotation/talents etc. gonna step away from sin for a bit

[pale storm]

anyone have a good step sap macro?

[potent pivot]

#showtooltip
/cast Shadowstep
/cast Sap```
?

[potent pivot]

no

[potent pivot]

ye you get it just from killing any mobs in DF/TWW zones

archvaldor or whatever did a video about it

[languid ravine]

me: triple dragonbreath, triple mass poly, double snowdrift, double cometstorm, double ring of frost, 1mil dps
my healer: BRO POSITION PLS DONT GO DEEP

nevermind he wrote that before the round

[jolly sierra]

people in the comp stomp started to cheer me more than usual xddd

[rustic plume]

sub favor mastery verse?

[potent pivot]

yeah, you only run mastery/vers besides tier set

[lilac wedge]

anyone know if 2 set or 4 set is better to have for sub pvp?

just wondering if its worth

[potent pivot]

People are kinda 50/50 on it

Personally I think 4 set is worth

It’s more burst

[jolly sierra]

dude, kazzak players are the biggest meme in EU

[verbal field]

how worth is death from above?

[potent pivot]

Usually gonna have a better option

If you don’t need disarm you can usually take tricks pvp talent

If you use a dynamic macro addon so it always targets the other dps, then you can just macro it to shiv or dance etc

So it always casts tricks on your other dps whenever you send one of em

If you aren’t gonna use tricks then you’d just use dfa

[verbal field]

aight

[glass hazel]

?

[potent pivot]

ye i think so

[glass hazel]

i was using sprint one haha

vs mages\hunters

feel like ping pong ball going here and there

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot

https://x.com/Bigmoranx/status/1919525055199134117?s=19

Bigmoran (@Bigmoranx) on X

The new Recuperate ability everyone gets next patch is broken for Rogues because it doesn't break Stealth/Shadowmeld.

You can Vanish -> get a shield -> Recuperate in Stealth.

X · May 5, 2025, 10:50 PM

What if this is usable in the arena

[glass hazel]

will be disabled in rated

300%

as any other fun stuff

[stoic spruce]

It's not about the fun

It's that its so bad if rogues could do that

[wintry dew]

One could dream

[stoic spruce]

Imagine fighting another rogue

I'd leave as soon as I queue in

[glass hazel]

tell that person about stealth detect

;x

[stoic spruce]

If you get caught by stealth detect that's on you tbh

It's not 2016

Frankly I'm not a fan of Recuperate in any content at all.

[cosmic thistle]

is sub rogue good pvp this season?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[indigo hill]

What is the deal with crackling jade lightining on a mw and why can it 1 shot people?

[cosmic thistle]

is assasination rogue good this season or is it playable wanna get 2k rating

[glass hazel]

assa\sub good outlaw meh

[cosmic thistle]

kay cause iknow assasination rogue spec very good and switch to sub seems kinda meh but if u say its playable i will go with it

[wintry dew]

You can 2k with any spec

[stoic spruce]

They're all good

Imma be real with you

They're all always going to be good. Can they always land kills? Not always but it's really hard to consider a spec bad when it has the toolkit that rogue does

However

Not everyone wants to be a CC bot most of the time cough cough Outlaw

[cosmic thistle]

havent played pvp for a year but do what can u get conquest from?

[cosmic thistle]

outlaw is dog

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is not dog

Outlaws damage is dog

But you don't play outlaw for damage

And if you do, you set yourself up for disappointment tbh

[glass hazel]

i feel the same as assa, you top the meter still cant kill anyone like no pressure

till like 1.5-2m into fight

and bm\fury\balance deplete people in 10-20s

augs also today one killed our heal after 15s into fight and its 2k mmr lol

Or maybe just a skill issue, it is the second season for me only 🙂 never pvp before tww

I feel like rogue only good for secure a kill but can't do anything on its own

[stoic spruce]

In what content were you fighting the priest?

[muted torrent]

Areana

[stoic spruce]

Wpvp, arenas?

Etc

Shuffle?

[muted torrent]

3v3 Disc priest

[stoic spruce]

Oh cool cool

And you were on Outlaw?

[muted torrent]

I opened on him and his hp disapeared. he reacted fast and got off a fear into a big heal so He did not die

YEah

[stoic spruce]

Was a ghostly strike in your opener as well as a killing spree?

That duo pumps hard tbh

You def could've gotten lucky with crits though

[muted torrent]

no. I hit with assasinate, cosumed the double damage piston shot, killing spree

the fight went on for 5 min so i lost all that data in my dps meter

I feel likei i got alot of crits on the procs or something

[stoic spruce]

Ghostly Strike would've gotten you the kill for sure

Sometimes, I run my luck out and win on opener because of back to back crits

[muted torrent]

It was my first fight after respecing and i was shook

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's few and far between but outlaw popping off out of nowhere sometimes def happens

[muted torrent]

Thanks for the help btw. I literaly only respeced to Outlaw becasue of the grapple hook but after that display of super luck I may stick around

[stoic spruce]

Imma be honest with, as a fair warning. The gameplay is lacking rn because of the restless blades nerf in pvp. If you can somehow stomach that, you'll really enjoy the spec.

My mood comes and goes personally

[muted torrent]

I honestly like rogue for the luls so it doesnt hurt me much. Back capping flags and trolling people is where I get my fun.

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw can do that for you for sure

I exclusively play it in 2s and 3s so it hurt me kinda bad lol

[muted torrent]

Im jsut stacking vers abd crit for the occational lucky shot but i really jsut spam cc and let my team do the murder.

[stoic spruce]

What about haste?

[muted torrent]

very very low

like 4% low

Im a two pump chump

[stoic spruce]

And you're liking it?

That's very low haste is why I'm asking lol

[muted torrent]

I was playing sub and fishing for kiling blows so I either get a kill off of a opener crit or die trying

[stoic spruce]

Oh I see

[muted torrent]

I see that Outlaw has some pretty good haste buffs though so i actually sit around 20% haste when im in a fight

that puts me at nearly 30% crit and mastery with 25% vers

Im sure haste would help with the energy issues.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah preferably 10% out of combat

Unbuffed

[muted torrent]

But since I play like a kamikaze The opener is really all I care about. Should I give up some mastery for haste?

[stoic spruce]

For outlaw yes

Mastery borderline useless

[muted torrent]

Ah ok. last I checked main gauge was about 8% of my damage

But only becasue I have alot of mastery and the slice and dice buff gives me 65% attack speed

[stoic spruce]

Technically mastery has more value in pvp because crit is nerfed in pvp but that doesn't really help Masterys case a whole lot because crit is still ahead. Some mastery isn't bad but you should try to keep it to a minimum.

Like I accidentally bought and equipped a mastery piece of gear and it didn't hurt anything

[muted torrent]

I was stacking it for Subs %extra damage on finishers. Ill have to swap out some gear

[stoic spruce]

Yeah Outlaw being the only spec that doesn't like mastery is weird

[muted torrent]

Its such a strange mastery too.

Rogues auto alot but but it doesnt hit hard.

[stoic spruce]

A special auto attack is how I see it

[muted torrent]

See I love auto builds in other games but wow has so many god damn buttons that white damge is an after thought

[stoic spruce]

White dmg is relatively new as well

[muted torrent]

Ill never not stack crit tho

IDC what the meta is

I love crit in every game I play

[stoic spruce]

Yeah there are some die hard outlaw mastery stackers here

[muted torrent]

Lol really? Ide like to talk to them

I am a meta hater so maybe they could talk me into it

[stoic spruce]

Do you really need to be talked into it?

[muted torrent]

HA

[stoic spruce]

You could just do it

[muted torrent]

Ill stay out of arenas so i dont ruin people games with my bs

[stoic spruce]

You're already on the path

You play a rogue

That's your MO

[muted torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-movie-ken-sunglasses-putting-on-sunglasses-double-sunglasses-gif-9645729363424884768

[stoic spruce]

He gets it

[muted torrent]

Anyway Im gunna go terrorize the poor people of Cyrodiil while I wait for wow to come back. Ty fam.

[stoic spruce]

You're welcome

[muted torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/adoring-fan-oblivion-tes-the-elder-scrolls-young-scrolls-gif-5962464662818349400

[dark kernel]

Whoa

Too lewd.

[cosmic thistle]

why dont i have pvp vault?

[dark kernel]

Hahaaa

Dunno man

[cosmic thistle]

is their even pvp vault anymore?

do u use wound poison in pvp?

[lucid citrus]

There’s no more pvp vault

[inner tartan]

but but that is ur job

[cosmic thistle]

how do i earn conquest fastest way?

[glass hazel]

fastest q shuffle or farm chests

[cosmic thistle]

chests?

[inner tartan]

openworld

why isnt conquest cap gone i expected when i game back i could start farming boxes on healers and sending them 2 alts

[blissful pivot]

has much changed for sub pvp from 11.1 to 11.1.15 ? most guides i find are for 11.1 and not 11.1.5.

[glass hazel]

war chest or smth i forgot how its called

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-gif-18732240

[spring bough]

DH damage up 4%?? Time to pvp more on the DH

When rogue updates

[dark kernel]

Never

[pale storm]

What do we think of this apparent leak?

[jolly sierra]

i think is a charlatan tbh

we discussed it days ago here

[potent pivot]

Some parts sound plausible, others sound dumb

[jolly sierra]

ye, i am a little skeptical

they tends to shelter their discussions a lot in a very strict way

[potent pivot]

we've had a few real leaks in the past couple years

i've only seen 1 leak that turned out to be people trolling

but with this new one coming from fucking 4chan of all places idk if i'd trust it

[jolly sierra]

4chan its a fkn joke

[potent pivot]

they're kinda known for having videogame leaks being posted there

on their videogame forum or w/e

but there's no way to tell when they're real or troll

[jolly sierra]

indeed

like pokemon ones

but w blizzard

idk

[potent pivot]

not long ago we had a tuning patch leaked

so its not totally unheard of

just have to take everything from 4chan with a big grain of salt

we know we're getting seasonal reward rework next season but thats about it

[jolly sierra]

what if in the end its true?

would be funny af tbh

[potent pivot]

i really hope it isn't

the biggest weird shit is like the glad mount getting better as you rank up

and no rewards added to blitz or shuffle

elite sets going down to 1600

etc

[jolly sierra]

elite sets going down is shit

but the mount seems funny

i've heard about that idea years ago

u would get the entire one for 2k1

remember almost no players plays pvp

so why should u gatekeep that? xd

its still a small niche anyways

[potent pivot]

i don't really buy that argument

[jolly sierra]

how many players reach high rating and how many of the low rated ones ended discouraged under that context?

the argument is based in rated, no casual one

barely the 1% reach duelist

[potent pivot]

yeah thats kinda how its designed

[jolly sierra]

so having or not having glad mounts for some more players won't make a huge difference tbh

[potent pivot]

i just don't think thats how to go about it

just lowering glad to 2.1k is dogshit

more participation trophies

[jolly sierra]

how would u fight lack of participation then, trickz?

[potent pivot]

by reworking the system itself

you have to drive participation with MORE rewards, not just lowering the most prestigious rewards

if you lower the highest end reward it becomes devalued and mediocre

[jolly sierra]

u still have the elite titles and the pvp tabards there

and the r1 titles

[potent pivot]

imo just lowering the mount would hurt participation, not make it bigger

[jolly sierra]

tbh i would consider it for 1k8+

not 1k4+

most players are at 1k6 atm

and players at 1k4, well...

god, i hate them in the blitz w my ww monk, why they shoved me to 1k6 MMR REEEEEEEEEEE

[potent pivot]

the biggest thing they need to fix is the fact that most players wait until the last week of the season to queue for rewards

we need some sort of 'battlepass' style reward structure on top of the rating gated rewards

there's no motivation for many to queue and get better if they can just wait and get stuff practically for free

[exotic dove]

This is true when I look at activity monitoring sites it always dramatically increases as soon as the end season announcement is made lol

Then they stick around for new season gear up then afk until that season end date announcement

hasnt changed for a long time now

[jolly sierra]

like me

[potent pivot]

yep, its kinda sad

and it's not like pvp is too far gone, there's still thousands of games played per day in each region

[exotic dove]

I think the only excpetion I have seen was with DF S1 the first season of shuffle people were gaining rating and it ended up with more staying power than Blizzard capped it or deflated shuffle mmr and then it was back ot the usual

[potent pivot]

ye the same way it was for blitz s1

they leave the new brackets uncapped on their first season

should probably just leave it that way

like i don't really care if 1800 is a participation trophy

let people earn it just by playing

[jolly sierra]

the season fucked me up the most in recent times was DF s2

was disgustingly deflated

[exotic dove]

Yeah I agree the answer is right there people stay when they see they gain rating. When the dont cause for some reason the mmr then they afk. Blizzard can just look at DF season 1 for shuffle and see oh hey people stayed and played. We maintained subs. Maybe just maybe we should go back to taht

Perfect business sense and game sense

but nah too much common sense

They should do the same for all brackets though not just shuffle thats just an example I gave

[mystic pasture]

I 100% agree that rating and cosmetics should be separated. A battle pass / renown track for PVP would be incredible. Let rating be the reward in itself (along with the elite/R1 titles)

[potent pivot]

i mostly agree

but i think some things should still be rewarded from rating

like illusion/tabard/glad mount

but i think there should be reward tracks similar to LoL too

with different stuff, mogs, mounts, etc

if you don't have a few rewards for rating, there's no motivation for casual players to push rating

you gotta have some sort of motivation for players to want, so they want to get better and get those motivators

[exotic dove]

Leave the elite set mog in at 1800 put the weapon mogs on battle pass with the tabard and also leave illusion and glad mount for rating. HOnestly illusion could go either way imo

[potent pivot]

unfortunatly this isn't actual LoL so people aren't pushing new ranks just for the prestige of the rank

[exotic dove]

Yeah I doubt blizzard will do it best thing is for them to unleash mmr if they are doing it

[potent pivot]

honestly the illusion is more often than not trash as fuck so it could go either way yeah

they need to put some of their art into pvp

all of these shop and trading post things, all of these rep grinds

they've been releasing new mogs and mounts at an insanely good rate

we just need like 10% of all that art that comes out over an entire season to be rewarded for pvp every season

[mystic pasture]

Yeah true

[jolly sierra]

imagine other shadowflame

or they bringing back exclusive elite pvp sets

that custom ended in wod, in the end season from the xp

since that they turned lazier w that

[jolly sierra]

dude tbh the shit is appearing rn in trading post is lazy af

specially the masks

and the awful color choices

[mystic pasture]

Seems like we need a dye system

Or imagine custom armour/weapons based on components…

[potent pivot]

people still buy tf out of it

[jolly sierra]

for collection tho

and maybe the e-girls

[potent pivot]

people use tf out of it

[mystic pasture]

Cosmetics are king in this game

[potent pivot]

people love making funny mogs

[mystic pasture]

Yeah, they will even PVP for xmog

Imagine that

[jolly sierra]

some of em are very silly

[potent pivot]

yeah, ppl love silly stuff like that

pirate stuff, ninja stuff, random dresses/gloves

i don't care for it personally, but i buy maybe 1-2 things per post

like i might buy all the ninja weapons this month but thats about it

[jolly sierra]

ye, but the thing is its wasted talent xd

w that in hand its just a silly excuse to give us only tier recolors tbh xd

[unique mesa]

any good assi opner guides ?

and burst guides

[jolly sierra]

i swear ill sell a lot of bloodstones just to get a warr t3

[potent pivot]

you just try to upkeep bleeds on everyone

there's not much "burst" to assa

get bleeds up, shiv, deathmark

[unique mesa]

so get up imp garrote - ruptue - Crimson then shiv and then u deathmark ?

I feel my burst is not hitting ass hard as its should

[potent pivot]

assa and burst in the same sentence is a meme

[unique mesa]

Maybe True but i think i should be doing higher den 500k dps

In 2s

[potent pivot]

just depends

if your bleeds are getting dispelled a lot, if you're upkeeping them on both targets etc

[potent pivot]

i think im gonna try some arms today

fury feels trash

in shuffle

had an all ranged lobby and felt like i was the cloth wearer

[dark kernel]

No way fury was THAT nerfed

Tbqh that feels pretty normal

All melee lobbies feel meh, all caster + me lobbies are meh

[potent pivot]

its pretty bad

like

its not gigashit like outlaw

but idk

last season when i played fury it was a walk in the park

this season feels a bit weird

[dark kernel]

Tbqh I am seeing lots of people with no games played at all mmrs

I'll play an alt game at 1700, some dude on a no games warrior, next game my main at 1980, mage no games played

Just lots of people all over the place with the soft resets who haven't played their alts in months throwing games

[potent pivot]

yeah

something about this season just feels

odd

balance feels a lot worse too

Like sub kinda becoming the shuffle spec was not on my bingo card

[dark kernel]

I think assa is still the go to and metrics seem to say that, but people always get drawn to shit with the notion of changes and "easier"

I haven't even tried sub yet and I played it all last season

[potent pivot]

yeah i think the biggest thing going for the assa representation is that its looked at as 'easier'

sub is actually more popular in shuffle rn though

sub->assa->outlaw

just barely though

this is just 1800-2100 bracket

2100-2400 is a lot closer

[dark kernel]

Yeah, and that's hilarious because sub had really low play last season if I remember, but it was still a fine spec

[potent pivot]

yeah

[dark kernel]

Like the changes this season were decent but not like groundbreaking, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the increased play

[potent pivot]

i told smexxin the outlaw nerfs bricked the spec's damage and rotation

[dark kernel]

People just see change

[potent pivot]

i doubt it'll hit anyone's ears who can do anything about it though idk

[potent pivot]

i think its purely based on damage

this season it feels like if you don't have some kind of burst you are just piss walking around the arena map

the meta being so bloody people just die to air or die to burst

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw legend real hard to get rn

[hybrid palm]

Finally a proud duelist

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

That's pretty damn good this early in the season, if you didn't have the rating from last season

It's actually wild, it feels just fine early in the beginning season pushing, if you played the spec and had rating the season prior. But starting from fresh with no history of MMR is like the wild West

[jolly sierra]

i am not 2k1 cuz i got lazy in shuffle w the rog

i am going in end may tho

rn im am 2050 in blitz just by doing it daily to get honor

[spring bough]

confirmed DH still doing a ton of damage in solo shuffle lol

yeah feels like DH doing way too much dmg lol

[languid ravine]

I m on my Ret in 2k rated lobby, theres a warrior down 250k dps every round

and my healer still died against that

very fishy if you told me it was a wintrade lobby I d believe it

[spring bough]

sus

[jolly sierra]

i got a match in blitz

with a lizard which afked at 2k1 mmr lobbies

just because an early disadvantage

guy was mass reported 2 rounds in a row

[potent pivot]

if it looks like a guaranteed loss people just sit ye

even at like 3k people do that

[jolly sierra]

the big issue

was he was a healer

so imagine how big was the loss

[spring bough]

gonna make a blood elf demon hunter... Demonpoonter a good name? lmaoo

[ionic orbit]

I've been using Palumor's rotation posted 6 months ago (just without flagellation now). But I've been wondering if there are better options because after games end my total dps is almost always in the bottom half of the list. I don't know if that's just how sublety rogues usually rank dps wise or what?

[potent pivot]

almost all rotation/opener guides are outdated fast

sub rogue is basically just strike->evis you don't really need a guide

[ionic orbit]

Which spec do you run the most?

[potent pivot]

i usually play all 3, just depends

or do you mean sub build

[ionic orbit]

was just curious if you do outlaw AS or sub the most

[potent pivot]

just depends on tuning and stuff

usually end up playing assa/sub earlier in the season on the first rogue i gear

then after a couple weeks outlaw on 2nd rogue

[gleaming pawn]

I super dooming here but

is there a worse feeling class in pvp right now

Rogue feels like shit

[narrow bay]

i havent pvp'd since wotlk

and right now jumping into pvp i have no fuckin clue how to kill a healer

they have so many oh shit recovery buttons that its difficult af

[ionic orbit]

What you guys think, full set or no?

[stoic spruce]

Hmmmmmmmm

Unholy?

They're super easy kill targets and lack kill pressure

At least we have a wide range of CC

[exotic dove]

You are 100% right. I had 2 new rogues for this season the fact I manage to get duelist on them with all that randomness is a feat in itself. People dying with cds available etc

My main started at 2200 something and the other Rogue from Last season low 2100 mmr

[glass hazel]

feel jealous haha 🙂 for me it is 2050-1950 several times already sheesh esp vs all range lobby or all plate, people just ignore me completely most of the time

[outer sky]

imagine spam emoting someone because you won a SKIRMISH as ret pally/frost mage against assa rogue/fury warr

[glass hazel]

haha

[stoic spruce]

BLOOD

WILL

FOLLOW

BLOOD

||Damage Incorporated||

[wanton breach]

outskilled

[stoic spruce]

Imagine

In a skirmish too

Just log off bro

You're done

[potent pivot]

people are weird

[stoic spruce]

My /kiss macro goes crazy

If you see an undead outlaw /kiss you when you're dead

You've been Popo'd

[stark coral]

this is a silly question but i havent really played rogue since tbc/anniversary classic, does weapon choice matter at all? or is it just for stats?

[stoic spruce]

I'm not sure what you're asking but chances are, yes.

[stark coral]

like dagger vs mace

[stoic spruce]

For sub?

[stark coral]

sub/ass

[stoic spruce]

Daggers for both

[glass hazel]

assa cant wear mace

[stark coral]

i read outlaw is swords

[glass hazel]

;x

but yeah 2 daggers for both

[stark coral]

thats what ive been leveling with just wasnt sure if it was like classic/vanilla where u cant ambush/backstab with a mace if that makes sense

tyty

[stoic spruce]

Sub technically can but it's a big dps loss

[stark coral]

is that because of speed?

attack speed*

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[stark coral]

rgrrgr

[glass hazel]

yes

faster more energy regen for sub and more poisons for assa

[stoic spruce]

It's not even the energy regen for sub. It's that passive that icr the name of

[glass hazel]

shadow technique

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[glass hazel]

it gives energy when proc

;x

and cp

[stark coral]

i think i stopped maining rogue in wrath/cata so its a lot to catch up on haha

[stoic spruce]

Well I don't play that shitter spec so I didn't know

No offense

[glass hazel]

sure

i also dont

dots goes brr

[stoic spruce]

I have a new outlaw build cooking

Kinda hot tbh

[glass hazel]

monk in my shuffle dispel ua and died to it

haha

classic

[stoic spruce]

Rip

[potent pivot]

That’s usually a perfect lobby ngl. If you’re mostly left alone and can get off the max dmg possible. Unless someone else on your team just falls over

[glass hazel]

i mean i top the meter like x2 sometimes

cant kill anyone and then someone randomly dies

usually my teammate

[potent pivot]

as assa i'm assuming?

[glass hazel]

yes

[potent pivot]

yeah it feels like it lacks the damage to actually lock in kills atm

bleed damage is too easily healed through

i might try testing envenom build again soon to see if it helps at all but i have my doubts

[languid ravine]

I messed up my kick macro and now it always uses Chimaera Sting at the same time

turns out its actually decent, they get silenced when the kick is over

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

Maybeeeee

Teehee

https://tenor.com/view/giggling-kicking-feet-giggling-and-kicking-my-feet-teehee-on-my-puter-gif-18200422943103727659

[vocal surge]

Pls share

[stoic spruce]

You're gonna like my build

[dark kernel]

It's fury warrior

[stoic spruce]

Lol no

That's for when I'm bored

[brave plume]

why does it feel like i get shit on by almost every other class damage wise

[stoic spruce]

You probably are

Not even trolling

If you're outlaw, your CC is your real strength

[dark kernel]

Outlaws bottom three right now

[stoic spruce]

That's why I don't play shuffle

2s and 3s only for outlaw

[brave plume]

lmao 😄

so essentially im just a stun bot

[dark kernel]

I really like outlaw Aff priest

[vocal surge]

Outlaw's in the bottom of the barrel x)

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-still-real-dammit-gif-21013364

[languid ravine]

I shouldve played Outlaw while it was mid

or maybe become a god outlaw now while it is trash so I can brag in front of 5 people on the internet

yesss yesss

[stoic spruce]

Bro thinking so far ahead

[signal sinew]

Whats the best spec in battlegrounds ? Or what is the quickest way to get Conquest ?

[languid ravine]

probably join a World PvP Airdrop hunting raid

[signal sinew]

Aight thanks 🫡

[stoic spruce]

I can't do teal sets anymore

[polar socket]

anyone playing outlaw pvp? (whats the difference of its spell usage with pve?)

[dark kernel]

Lots of us are. And that's way too vague

The biggest difference is, compared to M+ you don't blade flurry on cooldown, so that's pretty big

[spring bough]

Why is the rogue tier recolor always non rogue colors lol

[dark kernel]

Ever since DF Blizz seems to always create multiple color sets and then mix and match which classes get what color for each tier.

DF S1 was the only homogenous season which all classes getting the same color scheme per tier or game mode.

We all had like purple conquest gear and then fiery red elite sets

That set was baller as well

[brave plume]

was there a reason why they nerfed restless blades in pvp

[lucid citrus]

Cause they don’t like us rogues🥲

[vocal surge]

Because they're too lazy to genuinely balance us?

[rotund fulcrum]

can i q for shuffle as assa, swap to sub then q for blitz as sub? or do i have to q as the same spec for both?

[hollow carbon]

I dont get how you can play outlaw in shuffle

it has dmg output like a healer

[jolly sierra]

u can, but need to switch spec constantly

[torn field]

Explain the difference between Deathstalker and Fatebound for assa to me like I’m 12. Is it just that you don’t have to worry about ambush but also lose a bit of tempest dmg?

[potent pivot]

you lose a lot more than just CT damage

you lose step CDR, you lose cloak/evasion dmg reductions, you lose deathstalkers mark damage, energy from consuming darkest night, ct damage, etc

[torn field]

But like how much of that actually matters when you weigh what fatebound gives also (again I’m 12 and dumb)

[potent pivot]

fatebound doesn't give much

coin damage is pure ST and rng

[torn field]

What’s the cookie cutter opener for Deathstalker assa? I’m assuming it differs melee vs caster where you don’t need the silence

[potent pivot]

you can open with a cheap vs melee but you still need to garrote them after

main goal as assa is just bleeding everything as much as you can

cheap, gar, ambush, rupture, etc

try to cleave your bleeds during subterfuge windows if you can

once you cycle through 3 deathstalker's marks you get a buff, darkest night

you have to use a max combo point envenom to consume that buff

whoever you envenom will take the new deathstalker's marks debuff

[torn field]

That sounds too 500 iq for my boomer self versus fatebound RIP

[potent pivot]

its not that bad once you get used to it

just gotta practice

[torn field]

What do you do if you miss your ambush window and can’t get Deathstalker mark up? Or swap targets w/o getting a restealth? Just finger up the bum until you can get it back on?

[potent pivot]

swapping targets is generally fine

also like i said above, once you have darkest night buff you can swap your mark to another target with a max combo point envenom

if you miss your ambush for whatever reason then you just have to get it with a vanish window at some point

[outer sky]

so are most assa rogues running 4 set now?

[potent pivot]

ye

[inner tartan]

so before i make my self cry i heard outlaw is bad and i just came back and want my elite mogs how bad is " bad " like ggs reroll bad or difficult bad

[potent pivot]

you can still get 1800 as anything in the game

[inner tartan]

👍 ya but can i do my normal zug zug no stuns zug zug win strat : ) or do i have 2 be a little more rogueish

[potent pivot]

you should be a little more rogueish regardless, you're playing a rogue

[inner tartan]

but i play outlaw like fury warrior hehehe zug zug kill normal it get me my illustions 🙂 there was one season or 2 thou it was a little tight

imma spam comp stomp for gear first

[glass hazel]

1.8 can be achieved with any spec/talents I think )) some tryhards probably can without talents at all

[hollow carbon]

Unfortunately it doesn’t have the dmg output currently, so you cannot secure kills easily without CCing. That’s at least true for 2k where I am already struggling while playing on 2.5 on assa 🫠

[outer sky]

Ive had the most success as outlaw just playing to be really annoying

[inner tartan]

last season was fun no ves outlaw 1800 was lowkey disappointly ez i was hoping by round 2 of every solo shuffle i would be target number 1

[inner tartan]

that what i alway do : ) but okie

[hollow carbon]

How are you annoying without using stuns tho? 🤔

[inner tartan]

i didnt say i was anoying to the enemy : )

my teams always luv me

[inner tartan]

finish my rogue set of honnor gear and my monks set fw seem to be the same bs as normal me approves

[inner tartan]

solo shuffle makes me smile

[indigo hill]

How..

[stoic spruce]

Fistweaver has always done that

[broken otter]

If only every. single. monk. xmog. ever. wasn't complete dogshit :<

Cause they really are a super fun class

[spring bough]

Prob with 0 heals casted and way ahead on healing too 😂

[inner tartan]

no im trolling my build dose as little healing as i could make it and as much dps as i can make it

that was in in all green with last seaon neck at 1600ish i think im almost 1700 now but i logged of after the game after that cuz i won 5 and like leaving and a good score

[polar socket]

MY FIRST EVER SOLO SHUFFLE AS a SIN orgue

any tip for a newbie?

[dark kernel]

Be ready to have your shit pushed in the next few matches.

[polar socket]

😭

[dark kernel]

Just preparing you lmao

[polar socket]

how should i open on solo shuffle?

[dark kernel]

You had a really good first promo game and so your match making rating went straight to putting you vs the top 1%

[polar socket]

sprint -> sap healer -> (who to target?)

[polar socket]

💀

[dark kernel]

You typically sap healer or if all 3 players are lumped together you can multi garrote silence them all

[polar socket]

OH

[dark kernel]

You want to cheap your kill target, then ambush, then garrote them into rupture and crimson tempest

Focus on keeping your bleeds active on 2 targets

[polar socket]

full dot into DM > shiv?

[dark kernel]

Yeah that works. Kind of depends on what classes and how our of position they may be.

[polar socket]

or its dumb to DM at start?

i have problem about cd's and defensives

idk when to pull them

[dark kernel]

Its not dumb it just depends. At higher rates games I usually mark early to force cooldowns and pressure because I know I'll have it again

[polar socket]

and when to not

is it just come from experience? or its possible to learn them through videos and things

[dark kernel]

Videos and knowledge only get you so far.

[polar socket]

can you suggest me some videos if possible?

there is alot of them but i want best ones 😄

IM COOKED

[dark kernel]

Link the results.

[polar socket]

IT WAS HURT!

[lucid citrus]

Now from what you experienced in that match, think about what you could’ve done differently

[dark kernel]

Not bad. One thing about Sin is it has some large struggles into stuff like evoker and Paladin

Going 2-4 in a match with a ret isn't terrible. They can just bop your death ark

[lucid citrus]

I miss when Sin having KB for big burst

So sad pressing it doing no damage at all:/

[polar socket]

i mostly find my self like

i have nothing to press

and im taking dmg

like sht

i just can scream

[lucid citrus]

Yeah going off what slitelohel said, since you were against a ret that can dispel your bleeds a lot, your main focus is just keeping bleeds up and cc’ing properly and apply pressure on the other team and hoping your other dps does more damage lol

[polar socket]

this one is even worse tbh

[lucid citrus]

What are you going against now?

[polar socket]

mage 2x shaman

mage in my team is terrible

and his a god on other side idk

nvm his trash

it feels like

my dmg is close to 0 without cds

[lucid citrus]

That matchup looks terrible since it’s hard to aoe garrote and rupture when they are mostly not stacked up

[polar socket]

i was running around mindlessly

most of th time

1 ele 1 enhance 1 frost

i had no idea how to cleave on them

[lucid citrus]

You will get those types of matchups but then you will god tier match up where everyone stacks and you are cast bleeds on everyone easily

[polar socket]

BEST FEELING EVER 😄

[lucid citrus]

Did you have DFA?

[polar socket]

what is it:D

[lucid citrus]

Death from Above pvp talent

[polar socket]

ah nope

the one that reduce healing from shiv

smoke bomb

and faint one

im trash at using smoke bomb tbh

mostly using it as defensive

[lucid citrus]

You could’ve taken DFA to use as a gap closer, can get you out of roots

It’s our only gap closer tbh lol

[polar socket]

what about step 😄

[polar socket]

instead of which one?

[lucid citrus]

Well yeah without step it’s our only one

You could take out either smoke or faint one if you don’t think they are not focusing you

[polar socket]

Got it

if i stop wasting my sprint mindlessly

it will be way so much better

😄

[lucid citrus]

You’re running deathstalker right?

[dark kernel]

As Assa spec you will gain a lot of power against casters if you can learn to time Death From Above to both stop them from CCing you, and use it to counter their mobility spells

[jolly sierra]

are u having issues in matches w rangeds? assa has big advantage against them, but u need to know than u need to hide

restealth is key in this kind of matches

[polar socket]

but there is always

some type of dot

on my head

priest word of pain

flame shock from shaman

even mages throw orbs behind pillars

[jolly sierra]

restealth awards you improved garrote anyways

u can step back and silence them

[polar socket]

yes but they wont let me

[jolly sierra]

or cheap shot

[jolly sierra]

dot allows you to restealth

[polar socket]

it cancels instantly

[jolly sierra]

but will drop later

ye

wait are you using subterfuge?

[polar socket]

just for Imp garrote + carnage?

[jolly sierra]

tell me fast

[lucid citrus]

What does your talents look like?

[jolly sierra]

ye

looks sus he is complaining about restealth and dropping insta if w subterfuge can still do stuff xd

its like "restealth, shadowstep mass silence and spam cheap shot"

[lucid citrus]

Yeah we got to check his talents lol

[jolly sierra]

subterfuge is key there

[polar socket]

BLEED

[lucid citrus]

Ohh i see a problem lol

[jolly sierra]

indeed

no subterfuge

[polar socket]

WHERE!

i have subterfuge 😦

[jolly sierra]

wait

[polar socket]

what do you mean no subt

😦

[lucid citrus]

Jk you do?

Then are you not applying imp garrote whenever you have subterfuge?

[jolly sierra]

i dont see it

tbh

[polar socket]

i always apply it tho

[jolly sierra]

lemme log and show you my own

[polar socket]

kk

[lucid citrus]

Are you keeping track of deathstalker mark on targets?

[polar socket]

yes

trying to

but failed mostly

[jolly sierra]

thanks god my pc has a ssd

[lucid citrus]

Tbh everything looks good on talents wise, we just don’t know how the game is going so we can’t give more advice besides keeping bleeds up, making sure DS mark is up and you’re able to consume them so you can have step available and using DFA to get out of CC or prevent it

[jolly sierra]

ah indeed u have subterfuge

lol

i think we need a replay

from u

[lucid citrus]

Yeah idk why i though subter was on the top right of the tree lol

[jolly sierra]

to watch what is wrong

[jolly sierra]

cuz it used to be there XD

[lucid citrus]

Ahh that is trueee

[jolly sierra]

but ye

@polar socket give us a vod

[polar socket]

I will get one

[jolly sierra]

kk

ty

[polar socket]

got none 😄

[jolly sierra]

the thing is in general than assa has very good advantage in matches where u can restealth

even a second its enough thanks to subterfuge

i will give you an example

night elf druids, a resto one

the druid turns into cat, you are just applying dots on him

he does shadowmeld, stealth, then stun you

then cyclone

then runs away

that second was just enough for him to get off of you

[stoic spruce]

Dude

What are you even talking about?

[jolly sierra]

i am giving him examples about stealth xdd

[stoic spruce]

Crappy non existing ones

Like

[stoic spruce]

I'd hardly call them cats

[jolly sierra]

*big cat

the thing is he had issues against casters as assa

so i told him than just a second to stealth its enough

cuz u can spam stuns and silence w subterfuge

[polar socket]

😂

[polar socket]

i feel like shit

playing

BELF rogue

[stoic spruce]

Try playing Undead rogue

Actually fear breaks rock

Don't try

I'm gatekeeping undead now

[polar socket]

i have 2 rogues

one undead

on belf

i just swapped my rings for pvp

its full pve myth 6/6

so i just got pvp rings and its show time

😄

[jolly sierra]

i play pandaren rogue

XD

[polar socket]

😄

panda rogue

cute 😄

[jolly sierra]

alright, we will wait for your vods then

so we can roast give you feedback

[stoic spruce]

Take me back...

[polar socket]

😭

[indigo hill]

What is this supposed to mean?

[jolly sierra]

wtf

how is that supposed to work?