Speaking of which
#pvp
noble venture
Even more of an argument against Outlaw
noble venture
Sure, I agree, but the damage profile isn't very bursty
potent pivot
Ye it’s about enabling your team mate to do more
noble venture
It's a tough sell when the other rogue specs can do this AND damage
potent pivot
But they don’t? lol
noble venture
I feel they have much more damage
noble venture
So you agree with me then
potent pivot
Sub does the same overall and has burst that’s very easily dealt with
noble venture
Burst is stronger than pad damage in my experience
noble venture
It's most certainly not very bursty
potent pivot
All 3 rogue specs are basically in the same tier right now
noble venture
We disagree, that's ok
potent pivot
It's most certainly not very bursty
It doesn’t need to be
We’re still seeing outlaw in awc
So
potent pivot
When was that 
potent pivot
We haven’t seen assa even once have we
potent pivot
Yeh
The game isn’t even really about burst rn
People just flop
Even outlaw can take a frost mage 60-0 in like 2 seconds
It just takes the proper play being made
Ice wall, smoke bomb, etc
stoic spruce
Disarm applies Sting still
Thought that was funny
Been thinking about taking it into casters but anytime I'd need it, dfa would be much better
wanton breach
"They just take 0 damage?" Lmaooo
war dropped to 70%, pretty huge
stoic spruce
Real
potent pivot
https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft/clip/RenownedSmilingSrirachaPeteZarollTie-HWtLoy4...
The warr in this clip is exploiting a bug too
Blizo has also been doing it
wanton breach
The warr in this clip is exploiting a bug too
bug exploit in awc wtf
how is that not*being fixed and punished
potent pivot
💀
stoic spruce
Mes playing Fury now
wanton breach
You’d be surprised
I already am
wanton breach
is that bug exploit which causes him to take 0 damage?
potent pivot
Nah
They can have the regular zerker shout and the pvp talent zerker that breaks team mates out of fear
At the same time
Instead of only having 1 of either
wanton breach
They can have the regular zerker shout and the pvp talent zerker that breaks tea...
not even a pvp talent (anymore)
wanton breach
At the same time
that is so strong
potent pivot
not even a pvp talent (anymore)
wdym?
berserker shout is regular talent
berserker roar is pvp talent
last jasper
They can have the regular zerker shout and the pvp talent zerker that breaks tea...
Yeah notice that when was playing war. It should replace the normal spell but it doesn’t. Spaghetti code 😂
dark kernel
Ret/war is insane right now
Games take like 7-8 fucking minutes and they always have defensives
vague summit
I assume it'll be nerfed soon
hollow carbon
I assume it'll be nerfed soon
I assume not cause rets are blizz biggest babies from my experience 🫢
hollow carbon
Idk why they don’t gut so many defensives from ret when they have more range than evoker basically
hollow carbon
Spear is insanely strong now with how much damage output is.
Spear is also bad cause nearly not counterable
quaint cedar
Idk why they don’t gut so many defensives from ret when they have more range tha...
Honestly I think most specs in this game need defensives cut down.
Games nowadays either last forever (skilled teams trading CDs well) or end in 30 seconds (no one pressed anything).
Damage is crazy high purely because defensives are too strong. The only way to threaten players is to hit them with crazy burst. Pve has the exact same problem right now.
jolly sierra
agree, ret defensives are good af
3 lives + a 20% dmg reduction than can be used stunned and reacts to attack back to melee hits + an explosive shield
hollow carbon
That ret can use every or most of their def utility while being CCd is the biggest offender. Such babies, as you can tell I have a deep hate for Rets and I am always happy when they are bad tuned dmg wise
jolly sierra
also, did you watched how they buffed their biggest damage sources this week?
severe helm
That ret can use every or most of their def utility while being CCd is the bigge...
well ret is meant to be the easy spec of wow
and its popularity also probably encourages blizz to make them forgiving
languid ravine
why everyone who writes an essay after game about why actually I was flaming falsely instantly logs out afterwards?
cowfarts
safe pelican
Rogue still getting shitted on this week ??
My finger is still hovering over the resub button once we actually get a buff lol
dark kernel
Pretty solidly middle of the pack. Sin is going to be our meta spec
lost axle
BoP, INSTA PURGED. Bubble, INSTA PURGED, Divine protection? Actually alright. LoH, INSTA KILLED
Nah I thibk you just suck
dark kernel
BoP, INSTA PURGED. Bubble, INSTA PURGED, Divine protection? Actually alright. Lo...
Get ye gone wheelchair class
lost axle
No, sir shanksalot is my dearest rogue
hybrid palm
Could someone please explain this kill log to me , I got one shotted 100 to 0
harsh kiln
negative ray
hybrid palm
What's that
harsh kiln
ray of hope absorbs all healing or damage, whichever is he highest at the end gets dealt to you
so if you take more damage than healing when you have ray of hope on you
you'll take all that damage as one hit at the end
harsh kiln
priest
lost axle
Yeah, all healing is increased by 50% with ray of hope too
So you could chug a lil vial with this too
spring bough
go to log onto my DK and get "character not found" well okay then ill just fk off blizz
if i wanted an ally hunter. what class you making it. human, kul tiran, night elf or dwarf
dark kernel
if i wanted an ally hunter. what class you making it. human, kul tiran, night el...
I have to be a dwarf
spring bough
I have to be a dwarf
dark dwarf... HuntinDwarfs the name lmao
jolly sierra
if i wanted an ally hunter. what class you making it. human, kul tiran, night el...
gnome
spring bough
loving the fact the special races start at 10 get to skip an hour of leveling
uhh why does my gun not make OG classic gun sounds anymore lol
stoic spruce
It takes you an hour to get to level 10?
spring bough
to go thru that exile reach? takes a minute
stoic spruce
I only did that for mogs
hybrid palm
If I win , can my match making value fall ?
jolly sierra
i hate my monk dude
it got at 1k6 mmr cuz is a newcomer in blitz
and now is hardstuck at 1k4
got very pathetic players
one was healer and got afk, blamed me because i didn't waited for healing, well, approach me then when i got the flag
dude, i hit ppl and dies insta
its really noticeable
raw chasm
anyone got a link to a good 11.1 guide for ass PVP? or sub, honestly .
grave basin
if i wanted an ally hunter. what class you making it. human, kul tiran, night el...
Human for.bis mogs
grave basin
I have serious elf fatigue tbh
I might faction change and go dracthyr or something
Any1 on horde? Do you get wpvp constantly
potent pivot
Any1 on horde? Do you get wpvp constantly
would not recommend 
open thunder
trickz
grave basin
Wild zac appears
stoic spruce
Any1 on horde? Do you get wpvp constantly
Ye
stoic spruce
Ye it's pretty fun
noble venture
Being dominant faction is so boring
Just be prepared to never get a war supply crate
stoic spruce
Yeah the crates are rough
last jasper
What’s wrong with horde? All my toons are horde. I’ve never seen ally to cap a war crate
exotic dove
Depends on the layer/shard (whatever they call it) I play both factions and I got it on my Undead Rogue before servers went down. I could be lucky on my Horde Rogue but so far it doesnt seem as dominant
gusty hedge
warcrates for horde def gotta join nacho party crate farm or get lucky in the off hours in the morning when ally are asleep
calm roost
I see more ppl going 4p as sub, is this personal preference or its huge ?
potent pivot
I see more ppl going 4p as sub, is this personal preference or its huge ?
its not huge but its good ye
sick wasp
hybrid palm
If solo shuffle queue pops but gets declined multiple times , it's probably a win trading group right ?
potent pivot
If solo shuffle queue pops but gets declined multiple times , it's probably a wi...
not necessarily, but it can be
river pollen
Yoo chads i have a question
I have a toon in moonguard and one in sargeras, on the former the war zone is empty af compared to the other which is wack cus i like wpvp
I was wondering if someone from sargeras invited my moonguard toon in a party from lets say dorn
Would i be phased in their sargeras cluster
jolly sierra
you can't lfg here dude srry
potent pivot
I was wondering if someone from sargeras invited my moonguard toon in a party fr...
no
river pollen
I already have ppl for that
potent pivot
afaik RP realm characters cannot be phased to other realms
potent pivot
only the other way around
severe helm
afaik RP realm characters cannot be phased to other realms
Oh whaaat didn't know that
pastel burrow
Would i be phased in their sargeras cluster
RP realms can't be naturally phased but you can be pulled into their cluster through shit like this yes
my argent dawn character is regularly yanked to russian servers for M+ groups
so if someone from sarg invites you it should work the same
spring bough
logging into seeing legion timewalk is amazing. easy levels for this dark dwarf hunter i got going
river pollen
so if someone from sarg invites you it should work the same
nice thanks ill try it
i wanted to do some wpvp while farming rep in um lol
river pollen
only the other way around
hey i know you already said it before but is 2 pc really that much better for sub rogues over 4?
is it the loss of mastery that makes it not worth it
river pollen
mask
Lol was typing that in search, wondering if i should craft full mastery goggle or 50/50 mastery vers mask
outer sky
guys what should I do 1st? Upgrade my world pvp gear (675) to conq (678) or upgrade my haste trinket from honor (665) to conq (678)?
stoic spruce
Dear night elf sub rogue I killed
I will camp you
He got away nvm
There he is
I hunted through the ENDS OF THE EARTH (Hallowfall) and he's under my control
jolly sierra
chaotic evil
stoic spruce
Something about death knight makes me feel like a hunter and the night elves are my prey
jolly sierra
wanton breach
just saw that in trills stream
gusty hedge
ahh shit more aug gameplay
last jasper
Don’t stress. There is like 2.5 ppl playing Aug not for content
river pollen
idk what happened to sub rogues recently but im not doing nearly as much dmg on ppl
feel weaker with better gear
is it cus everyone else is geared to the teeth or did they nerf rogue dmg
ooo new builds dropped lemme see
gloomblade seems like a nice idea
cus a bit more focus on constant dmg now rather than burst it seems now
gusty hedge
Don’t stress. There is like 2.5 ppl playing Aug not for content
been playing aug/ sv hunter since outlaw nerf, now wanting to try 1shot meme build for aug 
gusty hedge
cus a bit more focus on constant dmg now rather than burst it seems now
sub still on top! can be deleted in a global, ( with the right set up) more consistent dam but still has big burst. i see more trickster rogues now not sure on how deathstalker is doing
dark kernel
Played some matches last night and tried going back to fatebound.
The shit does not do damage in the slightest. The double hook barely helps into mage
last jasper
This cooldown manager. Even an Indy company would’ve done it better. Did they even touch it since ptr release?
indigo hill
Doubt that. Not exactly a customizable feature.
last jasper
Yeah, me too. It's not bad, but damn — on some specs it's so bugged. Like, it literally doesn't track a single buff or shows spells I don't even have
potent pivot
This cooldown manager. Even an Indy company would’ve done it better. Did they ev...
a little bit yeah, and they have said that they are planning on adding more functionality as time goes on from what i've heard
last jasper
a little bit yeah, and they have said that they are planning on adding more func...
I wonder what these changes were, cuz some specs are literally in an alpha state
gleaming pawn
I just hope it doesn’t end up like the resource bar, partially done and forgotten. I want to actually use the new cooldown manager
jolly sierra
i love the autoattack bar wow classic has for a countdown
it helps a lot with slam
in warr
jolly sierra
most healthy skirmish DM be like
last jasper
I just hope it doesn’t end up like the resource bar, partially done and forgotte...
They actually messed up the resource bar too. They removed the option to show buffs on it. It still shows buffs for me, but some people on Reddit said it doesn’t anymore for them
I'd be mad if they end up removing it, since I’ve been using it to track Dance and other stuff ever since it was introduced
noble venture
most healthy skirmish DM be like
"Heal me stupid boy"
Maybe I'm wrong, but it reads like an insult from someone who's English isn't their first language, which is OK of course...
But I feel they get such fresh perspectives on the insult game
lavish idol
I've usually played as outlaw due to laziness and pvp being a last min season thing for me to do, aiming to get to 1.8k usually. I feel like it's tough right now, only around 1.6k. My dmg is poor
potent pivot
is outlaw cringe now?
It’s still okay but the gameplay itself feels a bit ass now
gleaming sentinel
The 20% cdr nerf is def felt in a shuffle setting
potent pivot
Personally I always gear my first rogue as assa/sub because they share stats tho ye
fresh ermine
am i better off playing something else? just for ease of pushing
potent pivot
Depends what you’re good at
If you only have exp as outlaw you’re probably still better off playing it if you just want like a quick 1.8k
dark kernel
am i better off playing something else? just for ease of pushing
Sin is still zooted and really good.
lavish idol
What's the general spec/hero track used?
lavish idol
Outlaw in solo shuffle sorry
potent pivot
Fatebound
fresh ermine
probably just gonna roll sin
i have exp on sin the other two are harder to play anyway right
lavish idol
HO Fatebound?
gleaming sentinel
Assa seems consistently decent in all content lately, i want to try it
potent pivot
HO Fatebound?
Ye
lavish idol
I find that it's fine if I'm not targetted, but if I am, it's an absolute mess
Maybe I am treating it too like PvE and tryiong to keep AR up max
potent pivot
Gotta learn how to deal with it if they target you
dark kernel
Maybe I am treating it too like PvE and tryiong to keep AR up max
That's pretty accurate.
potent pivot
In most comps if they target outlaw they’re fucking up
potent pivot
Maybe I am treating it too like PvE and tryiong to keep AR up max
Nah that’s how you want to play
Basically the exact same as pve, but using more cc
dark kernel
Yeah, and fatebound may be meta but I still prefer trickster especially in shuffle
lavish idol
I think I am playing fairly well doing cc and so on, applying pressure to heal... but my damage is just terrible usually
dark kernel
Fatebound damage feels so absolutely ass
And yeah Garretta, outlaw damage is pretty dismal unless you get good rng
lavish idol
I don't think the point is contant dmg like some classes, but dmg wise it's where I am lacking
potent pivot
lavish idol
I get some serious criticism from my team mates 😄
dark kernel
Your right, it can situationally be very good
lavish idol
So tell me why to keep pushing it, isn't another spec just a better option
fresh ermine
lol i did
potent pivot
You’re there for the control mostly
fresh ermine
200k dps first game on outlaw
potent pivot
So tell me why to keep pushing it, isn't another spec just a better option
Like I said earlier that depends on what specs you know
If your only goal is 1800 and you only know outlaw
I don’t see a point in trying to learn something new
If your goals are more long term, or 2400, I could see it
lavish idol
Yeah I heard you, just... i feel it's an uphill battle and same old thing every season, so might be worth a go some point but trying to justify to myself what Outlaw actually brings to the table
dark kernel
You gotta figure it out and it kind of takes time.
When you learn to roll dice when not doing damage and you use your vanish as your stun DRs are coming off so you can maintain AR and pool a bit into a CC chain
It starts coming together
lavish idol
So same as PvE, I feel it's the hardest spec in general, but can work if you get it right
dark kernel
I did like 250K DPS week 1 of the season. I'm pretty consistently at 600K to 1M during high damage encounters
fresh ermine
in pve i was starting to get the hang of it
but arena is a whole nother ball game
and im in greens with lfg partners
dark kernel
Yeah unfortunately outlaw plays a decent bit different in pve so it doesn't carry over as much
You spam a lot more blade flurry
jolly sierra
But I feel they get such fresh perspectives on the insult game
i am in europe
lavish idol
I personally avoid LFG arena and just solo shuffle
I find it easier to learn from others, my own mistakes, etc
Plus people willing to give advice if it helps them win their round 😛
btw I am using talents preemptive manuver, sb and disarm in general. In caster only, what's the best alternative?
I'm usually taking the sprint one
stoic spruce
You spam a lot more blade flurry
Why are you spamming bf in pve?
I guess kir does with deft
potent pivot
I'm usually taking the sprint one
thick as thieves or turn the tables
the tricks talent is pretty good
lavish idol
thick as thieves or turn the tables
If it's caster only are you likely to be stunned often?
lavish idol
the tricks talent is pretty good
will try it out
I guess there's plenty of stuns flying around too, healers also
stoic spruce
Yeah I heard you, just... i feel it's an uphill battle and same old thing every ...
Nothing. Go assa
It actually has kill pressure
It's also easier
dark kernel
Why are you spamming bf in pve?
In m+ BF is your #1 damage and fills your entire CPs for one global
grave basin
another hour of
stoic spruce
Yes I know how deft works
grave basin
maint
stoic spruce
Just take a nap
stoic spruce
Also bf is your number 1 damage regardless if you sapm it or not which is crazy.
dark kernel
You are correct but I'm pretty sure every guide, sim, or meter lends to using BF on cool down as prio
stoic spruce
For kir ye
fresh ermine
solo shuffle is lame when you dont know how to play or dont have gear
dark kernel
It's legit been a minute since I did pve, so I'll have to see.
fresh ermine
cuz if you ruin your rating your scuffed forever
dark kernel
cuz if you ruin your rating your scuffed forever
Play 1200 rated lobbies and enjoy your mental
stoic spruce
Yeah deft for ho is borderline useless in pve
potent pivot
cuz if you ruin your rating your scuffed forever
fresh ermine
i was stuck 1200 on my preservation when it came out
potent pivot
that's not how that works
fresh ermine
try getting out of low rating
when your stuck with people who dont know the game or do no damage
lavish idol
Yeah I think that's my issue atm, the other people suck 😄
and all they look at is the dmg meter at the end
potent pivot
stoic spruce
Well
fresh ermine
doesnt matter if you heal good if your team cant kill anything you still lose
stoic spruce
At 1200 you can hard carry a 6-6
lavish idol
It was same last season, I struggled to get out of 1500 and then when I got 1700 I got 1900 in the same night
fresh ermine
as a healer atleast
dark kernel
Yeah I find the 1800-1900 rating is the dice roll area right now where people are on fresh alts with 1 game played or have 500 rounds.
stoic spruce
@potent pivot me when I noticed the assa rogue in my lobby cloaks on opener
(He's already dead and doesn't know it)
lavish idol
To this day I don't understand how the mmr works and fresh alts are in those brackets
potent pivot
if you 6-0 your first lobby you're likely going to be put around 2k mmr
lavish idol
ah is it that drastic
potent pivot
just depends
i don't think i've ever been under ~2k mmr in shuffle this expansion
even on a fresh alt
stoic spruce
Yeah it's crazy
dark kernel
ah is it that drastic
It depends on what time of the season and we're inflation is
I don't know where fresh character MMR is right now, I've seen some at 1750 some 1800
Last season the very last week, people were starting out 0-0 at 2050
potent pivot
wdym
stoic spruce
Last season
I purposely went 3-3 every shuffle
To see how far I could get at the end of a season
potent pivot
stoic spruce
New character and everything
In FACT
I did this on my brother's account who has a whopping honor level of 0
Big ol goose egg
I have no idea if it changes every season nor do I want to find out
I imagine it does but I'm not doing that again
potent pivot
ye inflation is always different
because its participation based
and some seasons they articially inject more inflation, some seasons they don't etc
stoic spruce
I lied, I'm going to try again.
lavish idol
Generallt in RBG the HO outlaw also works?
I guess for FC maps more emphasis on the def part
stoic spruce
Ho is prefered
potent pivot
what assassin comps are good
none of them are really 'meta'
stoic spruce
I guess for FC maps more emphasis on the def part
Outlaw makes pretty good flag carriers with fatebound
potent pivot
lots of ret/warr ele/dh mage/feral shit
if you're gonna play assa in 3s just play with whatever you can get
lavish idol
Outlaw makes pretty good flag carriers with fatebound
but only due to the gh I guess, if they catch you you're fucked
stoic spruce
That's why I take shiv and aoe blind
Since I can't vanish, I'm not worried about damage
lavish idol
I feel like blind lasts about 0,5s in any situation haha
stoic spruce
Vs gouge that only effects one person?
dark kernel
Sin/afflock/druid or priest is super good
stoic spruce
It's not going to save you but it'll buy you precious time
For others to stop fighting mid and come help
(They probably wont)
grave basin
Lfr seemed pretty fun
lfr is just 3 geared people carrying 22 people
i know cause ive been doing it for the gallagio rep
NA UP
potent pivot
https://www.wowhead.com/news/havoc-demon-hunter-dealing-less-damage-with-patch-1...
pretty sure the DH thing will get fixed
or compensated in some other way
because they weren't great in pve to begin with
last jasper
pretty sure the DH thing will get fixed
I know, my point was about the quality of this patch
or this
dark kernel
I can't wait to listen to Summertime sadness for the next 3 months
last jasper
Idk about dev, but looks like qa had no clue there was even a patch coming lol
gleaming pawn
That’s because there is no QA team anymore
fresh ermine
what sin comps are gud
dark kernel
sub
Rmp still, the comps still work but less good. Rogue/Dev/dpriest is actually pretty nutty.
Sin works better with aff, sub with destro
fresh ermine
SIN OR SUB FOR 2S?
potent pivot
just play whichever you want
karmic summit
do we have corruptions in pvp?
potent pivot
do we have corruptions in pvp?
they're going to be enchants so yes
karmic summit
are they not up yet?
hard compass
Think visions are due 21st may? Corruptions will come
When they’re released
karmic summit
thats nice
potent pivot
thats nice
they aren't going to be that powerful
they're all worth like ~3% dps in pve
might even be nerfed in pvp
karmic summit
noice
wanton breach
might even be nerfed in pvp
or they are somehow giga buffed in pvp and won't be fixed for a week
jolly sierra
do u remember gushing wounds?
wanton breach
I don't want to
waxen meteor
Guys i remember our default bar displays the 6s steal skill countdown, and 12 seconds aoe bleed count down here
is it gone?
stoic spruce
i hear corruption i get bfa ptsd in pvp
Only reason they were strong was from the 400 stacks of corruption we had.
last jasper
is it gone?
potent pivot
Temporarily bugged
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225350051923230721/1...
They fixed DH
last jasper
They fixed DH
Yea, I saw. But I’m not sure I want to renew my subscription 🌚
fresh ermine
im having fun with this xpac
but i havent gamed since legion/bfa/s1 slands
i kinda regret not staying subbed
to slands and dflight
but slands multiclassing was aids
gusty hedge
Bfa was a time to play even tho most didnt like best time to wpvp since MOP/cata( Last season of bfa corruption was dumb af) slands had a decent story mode/progression. The Wpvp was also nice in korithia /zereth mortis . Wonder if they'll be bringing back the void enchant/ old/new cosmetics when they drop corrupted visions
dark kernel
Bfa was a time to play even tho most didnt like best time to wpvp since MOP/cata...
Unpopular, but I always liked seasons with flavor
BFA motorbike trinket, corruptions, bomb trinket and shadowlands
fresh ermine
me too. i only really enjoy tasty flavory seasons
dark kernel
Seasons like this one are considered balanced, but come find me after you spend all night playing vs ret/war, Thundercleave, and a touch of shadowplay
fresh ermine
PEOPLE say to me all the time I need to stop playing vengeance dh. but i wont listen
dark kernel
That's a devious activity if you're playing that in arena, unless you're talking about Blitz
dark kernel
Yeah shadowplay has been giga strong since dragonflight
And both Spriest and Afflock are solidly flying under the radar as S tier maybe S-
One of my buddies is a top SP on NA and like all season 1 and 2 they kept giving them small buffs out of nowhere for pve, when they were already good. He was losing his mind. They finally nerfed them, but like by 3%
waxen meteor
SP benefits from pve a lot
SP always sucks on pve so they got random buffs that benefits pvp lol
dark kernel
Yeah exactly and when they are cranking they do 2 million dps in arena
I've been playing with an afflock that can consistently hit 1M and he's only half geared
waxen meteor
I think SP was quite broken beginning of this season
Cast on melee face
And melee dies
dark kernel
They haven't gotten any nerfs, they're just slightly weak to fury
waxen meteor
Now I think SP is okay, affl is probably also not S
last jasper
Yea, afflock is so good to play. Specially with 4 set.
waxen meteor
But you sort of have to leave one of them open
The problem is when you leave affl open damage is crazy
dark kernel
Brother Aff is GIGA busted it is just that a lot of shit that domes it is also good
Like fury and hunter destroy aff
dark kernel
It's like fury is S++ right now so it makes everything else look shitty when it's not
waxen meteor
And ret is also super good dmg
dark kernel
I legit think almost every caster right now is God tier except fire mage.
waxen meteor
On top of war itself
dark kernel
Boomy is like the second worst caster and it's still A
waxen meteor
You probably right with at least one spec
I saw even Aug has some one shots now
Just nobody plays that spec lol
dark kernel
Yeah aug is cancer. Tbh both DPS evoker specs are
waxen meteor
Brother Aff is GIGA busted it is just that a lot of shit that domes it is also g...
My affl solo shuffle exp is not that good hahah
Just 4628299583 warriors each lobby
fresh ermine
my holy priest gear isnt good for shadow dont think 😦
potent pivot
my holy priest gear isnt good for shadow dont think 😦
i wouldn't worry about it that much tbh
as long as you have purple gear q it up
potent pivot
people tend to worry about whats 'optimal' too much
when in reality these things only change damage like 2-5%
have seen people hit 2.4k in mostly green gear
slow dawn
Nobody heals in pvp cause you just get told you're throwing
fresh ermine
actually had some fun healing yesterday
just in real 3s with decent people
healing solo shuff at low cr is just annoying
quasi zephyr
hey friends, do we have any guide recommendations on rogue pvp? wanting to try out assa and looking for a place to start on how to play deathstalker, what setups look like, etc
potent pivot
hey friends, do we have any guide recommendations on rogue pvp? wanting to try o...
not many out there for assa, especially not up to date
can read the wowhead pve guide or iceyveins guide to get a basic understanding, but ignore the builds/gear mostly
quasi zephyr
ty!
fathom spade
What stats are pvp outlaws going for atm?
potent pivot
What stats are pvp outlaws going for atm?
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
potent pivot
10-15% haste > vers > the rest crit
fathom spade
thank you!
potent pivot
but vers is outlaw's best stat
so mostly conq gear is good
check what most people use
on murlok.io
fathom spade
yea just wasnt sure if we were still goin for haste or if something had changed, been gone for a few months
potent pivot
yeah you need the some haste for the reduced GCD during ADR
fathom spade
mastery builds still a joke?
potent pivot
mastery builds still a joke?
yep
if you already geared for assa/sub and you just can't stand not playing outlaw then do what you do ig, but yeah
fathom spade
yeah sadly i just end up gearing for outlaw than can never try the other specs lol
dark kernel
What were the odds
glass hazel
you play same spec twice? :x
potent pivot
What were the odds
potent pivot
you play same spec twice? :x
You don’t? 
glass hazel
might level one since there is buff to exp rn
potent pivot
Leveling is pretty fast rn yeah
Especially if you already have the +25% from having 5 level 80s
It’s almost 1 TW dungeon per level from 70-80
glass hazel
nice
potent pivot
77-80 is like 1.5 dungeons per give or take
I think we have another darkmoon fair starting this weekend too
I’m probably gonna level an Evoker finally
potent pivot
It’s basically the only class I’ve never tried
The only classes I don’t have at lvl 80 rn are warlock and evoker
potent pivot
But my lock is 60 from SL
quasi zephyr
fire breath for the dot, eternity surge, then disintegrate until the heat death of the universe
potent pivot
Enhance shaman is fun
quasi zephyr
that's evoker gameplay lol
potent pivot
And ele is quite good atm
dark kernel
Now I get to push
I still have one rogue no sockets
Takes a long time when you play 1 game a day
spring bough
bout to level up a few alts with these xp boosts
dark kernel
I'm going to make a priest and absolutely aids everyone's shuffle
I'm going to try healing and I've never done it in 20 years
potent pivot
I'm going to make a priest and absolutely aids everyone's shuffle
i would go mage instead ngl
from what i hear playing SP in shuffle is aids in itself
stoic spruce
Play a tank
dark kernel
i would go mage instead ngl
I'm healing 🙂
potent pivot
I'm healing 🙂
oh, oof
spring bough
Play a tank
pally tank,,, extra troll
fresh ermine
why is SP aids in shuff
potent pivot
just get wrecked and annoyed depending on comps
fresh ermine
lol
quasi zephyr
anyone have any tips or a solution to me running out of keybinds when using subterfuge? my stealth actionbar looks a lot different than my normal actionbar and i'm wondering what the best course of action is so i can still use my finishing moves while it's active
potent pivot
anyone have any tips or a solution to me running out of keybinds when using subt...
make your stealth action bar the exact same as your regular action bar
the only thing that should be different is Ambush replacing Mutilate
quasi zephyr
so don't judge, but currently my bar looks like this:
Mutilate, Garrote, Kidney, Envenom
and my stealth bar is
Ambush, Garrote, Cheap Shot, Sap
the issue i'm finding is that when i have max combo points, i can't evenom bc it's sap if i'm just out of stealth. my rupture is on a different bar so i can make use of that right out of stealth
jolly sierra
move sap out to another key then
the idea is to match the abilities
and assa has not too much buttons to get lost
quasi zephyr
yeah for sure
ok cool ty. easy enough. i wasn't sure if there were ways to have it be dynamic or anything
potent pivot
so don't judge, but currently my bar looks like this:
Mutilate, Garrote, Kidney...
make them the exact same and find other binds for the spells
you'll thank me later 
quasi zephyr
i know in ages past i used stealth/nostealth macros to have things adjust
but yeah that's the easy and obvious choice. appreciate the input
jolly sierra
that would be complicated if would be like warrior in classic, as they has different abilities between stances
for example i have a macro to disarm and switch to defensive stance at same time
severe helm
from what i hear playing SP in shuffle is aids in itself
I like it
tbh
cuz youre so often the kill target that you dont get trolled as much by people dying with like turtle and both walls up
its up to you to live
gives you more control imo
jolly sierra
i really hate SS sometimes
when the guys next to me dies randomly
lit u lift your watch and someone dies in 2 seconds
from 80-0
dark kernel
cuz youre so often the kill target that you dont get trolled as much by people d...
SP is really tanky too
hybrid palm
You can keep a macro that uses ambush in stealth stance n mutilate in normal stance
potent pivot
I like it
Idk I already dislike casters and I can’t imagine how annoying it feels to be a caster KT
quasi zephyr
learning warlock in s1 was legit the most miserable experience of my wow pvp life
i was used to mage where you could blink around and kite and escape
locks have circle and gateway and prayers
and are the kill targets 85% of the time so it was just getting absolutely reamed by warriors and dks that i couldn't escape from
severe helm
Idk I already dislike casters and I can’t imagine how annoying it feels to be a ...
its one of those things that sucks if you are still learning but feels insanely powerful if youve been playing it a lot
like being a mage as the kill target
a good mage is unkillable so if theyre choosing you then youre in so much control of the game
Sp you do heavily rely on your healer having good throughput though
much more pleasant at higher ratings
but I think most sps make the mistake of actually trying to run
sp is the least mobile class in teh game
you arent escaping any melee
just stand and blast
only thing you can do is pull them into bad spots to force their healer out
dark kernel
Yeah SP is literally about standing still in good spot
quasi zephyr
much more pleasant at higher ratings
i found this with warlock. once i got out of like 15-1600, every single comp stopped being warrior/ret or warrior/dk and i was able to work on my skills and refine my playstyle without just flailing around while i inevitably died
dark kernel
There's an SP literally named "Iwontmove" who's a multi glad 2700 sp
Who just stands in one place
jolly sierra
a good mage is unkillable so if theyre choosing you then youre in so much contro...
can confirm, trimaz fucked me up once, the guy just kept perma 40y distance, all the time
if i got close, he just tp away and traced the line again
was ridiculous
hybrid palm
Idk, I feel I should say this I've been complaining about SP not being killable since beginning of season. You can do sec tec + two dances with 2 darkest nights, they will not die
N of they fade or whatever it is they do, you miss important hits n gg
If*
gusty hedge
you play same spec twice? :x
dark kernel
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Brother please tell me that's not all you
gusty hedge
Brother please tell me that's not all you
dark kernel
Do you pvp on all those or what...
gusty hedge
Do you pvp on all those or what...
i do but mainly wpvp /wargames, rated if i feel up to it
not each one now tho haha more like 7 or 8
rest chillin in s1 gear
dark kernel
Okay. Just checking if you're still sane
I know people that if you give them enough gold to boost a character to 80, they'll do it and they'll park the character at whatever MMR you are to play with them
Just to have tons of alts to play on
fresh ermine
is crimson tempest a dead ability in 3s
potent pivot
new pvp ilvl for gear
potent pivot
to compensate the new pve ilvl
severe helm
cuz otherwise pve gear would be better
yeah
sure why not
lol
kinda doesnt change anything ig
dark kernel
so you don't use pve gear in pvp
This is great news
jolly sierra
should we gather pieces again?
potent pivot
should we gather pieces again?
Wdym
Nothing’s changing
Our gear is just going to be 6 ilvl higher
grave basin
Atleast blizzard was fast this time
Pve side of things looks like a complete shit show though
Increasing pve ilvl and crafting ilvl seems like a scummy way to increase player retention ngl
potent pivot
Yeah people are big mad
jolly sierra
Our gear is just going to be 6 ilvl higher
so its a hotfix?
i thought we needed to get it again xd
potent pivot
so its a hotfix?
not exactly a hotfix but ye it should be retroactive when the turbo boost event starts
can u imagine people REEEing if they had to buy full gear again
jolly sierra
can u imagine people REEEing if they had to buy full gear again
indeed, would be funny
kek
languid ravine
guys if you dont want to hear /Raidwarnings for the next 10 minutes dont ever give Lead to anyone asking
stoic spruce
Teehee
languid ravine
shadow priest in my 2400 blitz lobby does almost twice as much damage as our Heal paladin
time to log off again
spring bough
what are yall thoughts on this turbo boost bs
seems like a way to extend the season... maybe season 3 has some hiccups in the pipeline? Lmao
potent pivot
i don't think this season looks like its going to be any longer than season 1 so far
definitely seems like a small way to nerf pve content more
not sure though, its kinda weird
gleaming sentinel
learning rogue on outlaw and then trying out assa, its really jarring. the effort to win games or do good dmg in m+ is a lot lower
potent pivot
in m+ they're similar skill ceiling
its just a lot easier to do passable damage on assa in m+ even if you don't know the minmaxes
gleaming sentinel
its just a lot easier to do passable damage on assa in m+ even if you don't know...
would you say one of those is managing and using darkest night optimally?
potent pivot
would you say one of those is managing and using darkest night optimally?
define optimally
the big thing is upkeeping bleeds when they fall off after your initial IC application
because bleed build is now the play in m+ you get a lot of damage from sudden demise
but ofc you should be consuming darkest nights and casting envenoms in general for spatter damage
spring bough
45% inc xp is insane right now getting like 3-4 levels a run lol
severe helm
in m+ they're similar skill ceiling
The new bleed build significantly brought assa down
wanton breach
wdym new bleed build
severe helm
Knowing you can KS safely alone is harder than all of the assa rotation
potent pivot
The new bleed build significantly brought assa down
still a similar skill ceiling
wanton breach
oh you are talking pve
potent pivot
not talking about skill floor, that is obviously very different
wanton breach
caustic spatter in pvp confused me
potent pivot
i feel like people sleep on spatter in pvp ngl
obv its kinda niche because it requires deadly or even dtb
you can parse in team fights tho
wanton breach
you can parse in team fights tho <:XD:357861468080832524>
if your opponents like to cuddle
ionic orbit
Are we supposed to use algari pieces? which ones, and how do you get the legendary ones?
potent pivot
Are we supposed to use algari pieces? which ones, and how do you get the legenda...
legendary?
no one has legendary gear this expansion
ionic orbit
legendary?
The purple
potent pivot
what spec are you asking about
ionic orbit
what spec are you asking about
sublety
potent pivot
ah ye purple is just "epic"
wanton breach
mastery maxin
potent pivot
and you craft them with the Prized Gladiator's Heraldries at the crafting order NPC
which posts your order for players to craft for you
you should really search and pvp gearing guide on youtube
ionic orbit
do heraldries disappear after a certain amount of time? I've never done a single craft yet I seem to have no gladiator heraldries anymore
potent pivot
watch the whole thing, it mentions crafting at the end
potent pivot
do heraldries disappear after a certain amount of time? I've never done a singl...
no, they don't
you would have to vendor them or delete them or something
wanton breach
do heraldries disappear after a certain amount of time? I've never done a singl...
they stay with you until sold, destroyed or used in crafts
potent pivot
you should have 9 heraldries at least
if you've done any pvp this season on the character
you get a quest that rewards 9 of them
from winning 1 BG or a few arena matches
slow dawn
If i geared for outlaw but want to swap to sub is it fine to just throw on some daggers or am i cooked
potent pivot
maybe you have the quest sitting in your quest journal
potent pivot
If i geared for outlaw but want to swap to sub is it fine to just throw on some ...
a little cooked yeah
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
potent pivot
sub/assa are both max mastery > vers, besides tier sets
ionic orbit
you would have to vendor them or delete them or something
Been doing pvp everyday. Somehow I must have sold them all. weird. buying more now
potent pivot
Been doing pvp everyday. Somehow I must have sold them all. weird. buying more n...
make sure you don't have the quest already
ionic orbit
make sure you don't have the quest already
what's the quest called?
potent pivot
New rogue it is
probably the best option for right now yeah. we're still a ways away from conquest being uncapped i think
wanton breach
sub/assa are both max mastery > vers, besides tier sets
I feel to squishy for mastery maxin on assa but would like to give it a go
potent pivot
what's the quest called?
"Rallying All Rapscallions!" i think
potent pivot
I feel to squishy for mastery maxin on assa but would like to give it a go
yeah i mean how much vers you run is kinda personal preference
nbd
ionic orbit
probably the best option for right now yeah. we're still a ways away from conque...
do you have to buy the recipe in order to craft? I'm not seeing any epic algari armor pieces in search at the crafting npc
potent pivot
do you have to buy the recipe in order to craft? I'm not seeing any epic algari ...
nope
hang on
you don't see the gear as purple
ionic orbit
ionic orbit
it shows as green until you add the heraldries
OHHHHH. Thanks so much for your help!
This shit is confusing when you're coming back to the game after 14 years
potent pivot
OHHHHH. Thanks so much for your help!
potent pivot
OHHHHH. Thanks so much for your help!
you also need missives to choose the stats
and embellishments
do not forget to craft embellishments on 2 of the items you craft
if you've been playing without those you're losing out on like 2-5% extra dps
ionic orbit
do not forget to craft embellishments on 2 of the items you craft
which embellishments do you choose, and on which 2 pieces?
potent pivot
which embellishments do you choose, and on which 2 pieces?
Elemental Focusing Lens x2
it doesn't matter which pieces you put it on
but
it requires you have at least 1 stat gem to proc
so you need to have a socket
you know how to socket gear?
ionic orbit
it requires you have at least 1 stat gem to proc
Ok so is this order correct:
- Craft green algari piece. Must add 2 elemental focusing lens as part of craft. Which secondary stat do you do?
- Make into an epic.
- Then add a socket?
potent pivot
Ok so is this order correct:
1. Craft green algari piece. Must add 2 elemental ...
you make it into epic at the same time you craft it
by using the purple herladries as part of the craft
hang on
potent pivot
Ok so is this order correct:
1. Craft green algari piece. Must add 2 elemental ...
all of the materials you use can be rank 1 as well, the cheapest versions
potent pivot
Ok so is this order correct:
1. Craft green algari piece. Must add 2 elemental ...
like the cheapest missive here is rank 2, thats fine. it doesn't effect the pvp item level of the craft
the Harmonious missive is vers/mast
the rank 2 focusing lens is also the cheapest
you need 1 missive for every craft you do
you need 2 focusing lens
i usually craft 2 rings and put the embellishments on them
the 9 free heraldries are enough to craft 1 neck and 2 rings so those are usually my first crafts on every character
sub only uses neck, rings, and boots as crafted right now
ionic orbit
sub only uses neck, rings, and boots as crafted right now
Thanks for the help. I'm wondering if there's room for personal preference. top guys on murlok have algari head piece for example
potent pivot
Thanks for the help. I'm wondering if there's room for personal preference. top ...
a lot of people are starting to run 4 set on sub
and regular conquest helm is fine to use if you don't want to commit to 4 set yet
no reason to craft that slot really
crafting a tier slot like that means you lose the ability to turn it into tier if you wanted to later
just to trade like 300 vers for 300 more mastery, its really not worth
ionic orbit
Naturally I just bought the gladiator amulet, and upgraded my gladiator rings already that I'm supposed to replace 😅
potent pivot
Naturally I just bought the gladiator amulet, and upgraded my gladiator rings al...
what do you mean upgraded
languid ravine
why is Frost DK shit for like 8 seasons now
potent pivot
why is Frost DK shit for like 8 seasons now
It was pretty good last season
Not awc good but it was decent enough on ladder
languid ravine
really I feel like its better this season with its stupid omegacleave
last jasper
It was pretty good last season
It was quite good and probably playable this season too.
ionic orbit
a lot of people are starting to run 4 set on sub
Hey trickz this might be my last question I hope haha. I appreciate the help. I crafted an algari signet but it seems much worse than the gladiator rings and it only increases to level 639 for some reason instead of 678. Did I do something wrong?
potent pivot
Hey trickz this might be my last question I hope haha. I appreciate the help. I ...
bro
you gotta be fucking with me rn
thats from season 1 heraldries
slow dawn
ionic orbit
thats from season 1 heraldries
What?? But it's the only signet that is available for crafting
ionic orbit
and I used these season 2 heraldries in down to 2 left now
potent pivot
What?? But it's the only signet that is available for crafting
the heraldry you added to the craft
potent pivot
and I used these season 2 heraldries in down to 2 left now
these are the correct heraldries
ionic orbit
these are the correct heraldries
Wait now it looks like different ones are showing up
are those season 1
?
potent pivot
Wait now it looks like different ones are showing up
Prized = season 2
so yes
the ones on the bottom are season 2
you must have used the ones on the top which are old, from season 1
ionic orbit
fuuuuucck
well there's like a 1500g mistake
Again thanks for the help. This stuff really is very confusing for returning players. I just put in another crafting order and made sure I clicked the season 2 heraldry.
potent pivot
Again thanks for the help. This stuff really is very confusing for returning pla...
Np, we all gotta learn somehow
Things are definitely a lot different now even compared to a few years ago in Shadowlands
ionic orbit
Things are definitely a lot different now even compared to a few years ago in Sh...
I last played during WOTLK.
actually cata
potent pivot
Regular PvP gearing wasn’t much different than back then in SL
You just bought everything off the vendor
Didn’t have to pve at all though really
low moon
does anyone have any recommendations for youtube/streamers for outlaw blitz/shuffle POV?
potent pivot
does anyone have any recommendations for youtube/streamers for outlaw blitz/shuf...
not many streamers playing it rn
low moon
assumed as much :/
on that note, can i play sub with sword in the OH? i cant remember XD
potent pivot
on that note, can i play sub with sword in the OH? i cant remember XD
no
slow offhands are very bad for sub
low moon
oh true forgot about combo point generation until you said slow oh lol
spring bough
bout to rip with the ret for the first time in shuffle this season
exotic dove
I hate rogue 3s right now might hard pass it rogue seem horrible or LFG is just not the play
and I should just stick to shuffle
exotic dove
Sorry was just venting
ionic orbit
What sub rogue rotation do you guys do without flagellation? I've always used flagellation but thought I'd try going without
sharp sierra
whys outlaw rogue popular agian?
jolly sierra
is it?
sharp sierra
seems so, at least at r1
potent pivot
seems so, at least at r1
not really
vale basalt
!wa
lethal roostBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
gusty hedge
seems so, at least at r1
some are the same people just alts. from ss to 3v3, (not counting blitz)
i have seen rogues playing outlaw that i usually see playing sin or sub tho thats forsure
potent pivot
how is it a ret in almost all pvp greens does top dmg lol
You mean you? Or
I think it just comes with a good understanding of how to do dmg
I did the same on my monk in greens
spring bough
i guess me lmao
im just hitting the rotation i learned off a video and when it all lines up the dmg just smokes people lol
seeing as its also like 3 buttons it makes it ez lmao
potent pivot
Yeah
I feel like green gear isn’t all that bad to start with either
652 compared to 665/678 and you can mostly pick good stats too
spring bough
feels like a wep doesnt even matter to rets lol
potent pivot
snupy is doing a duel 1v1 tourney right now
and its at the grand final match ret VS ret lmao
spring bough
i kinda wanna que as healer and not heal just to get these medic boxes
dark kernel
i kinda wanna que as healer and not heal just to get these medic boxes
I have a priest just about to hit 80 lol
I'm going to be AIDS to shuffle in the 1300 bracket
spring bough
I have a priest just about to hit 80 lol
im back to leveling my ally hunter ill see u in shuffles lmaoo
dark kernel
I got to talk to Valthepirate last night about ourlaw
Heard some of his thoughts since he's a big main of it, and even he is playing sub
It's just not good
spring bough
any idea if an event like panda remix is in the works again? would love to crush some old raids with infinite power lol
dark kernel
any idea if an event like panda remix is in the works again? would love to crush...
Legion remix has been datamined
Even better infinite scaling M+
spring bough
Sounds like it’s gonna be hot. Wonder if they bring back artifact weps for it lol
dark kernel
Hey it's remix so I wouldn't care.
I actually played mop remix until I could solo everything and I carried SoO M
Was fun
dark kernel
There would not be mage tower appearsnces
We already know
So don't get your hopes up
dark kernel
That's true
stoic spruce
any idea if an event like panda remix is in the works again? would love to crush...
Legion Remix has been CONFIRMED
Not datamined
potent pivot
Legion Remix has been CONFIRMED
where
stoic spruce
Recolors probably
spring bough
idk who that is but i love her
spring bough
mage tower better be like the centerrpiece
gimme them artifact recolors and appearances i thought were never coming back lol
potent pivot
they were pretty adamant about not bringing back any challenge mode gear or recolors
so i highly doubt
stoic spruce
The outlaw mage tower rapier is mid anyway tbh
potent pivot
assa mage tower appearances are insane i wish we would get them
i just don't see it happening from this weirdly stubborn company
dark kernel
I legit played legion for 1 month total
stoic spruce
Also let's not pretend we wouldn't just one-tap the mage tower bosses anyway lol
potent pivot
you can still go do the SL mage tower
stoic spruce
I imagine it scales to max lvl
spring bough
what other classes have insane mage tower wep appearances
spring bough
yeah i got that one on outlaw the white fang slayer set is dope
jolly sierra
what other classes have insane mage tower wep appearances
assa daggers
potent pivot
what other classes have insane mage tower wep appearances
but from the Legion weps there's quite a few sick ones
rogue, DK, paladin, warrior
jolly sierra
druid polar bear
potent pivot
feral cat forms
spring bough
oooo thats what i need is that druid form
jolly sierra
prot pally morning star
spring bough
i have the regular legion one from MT
potent pivot
you can't get em
spring bough
who know what they gonna do for remix i can dream
potent pivot
the SL MT only gives a bear form i think, for the tank one
spring bough
yeah
potent pivot
oh you meant from remix
jolly sierra
they will give recolors at max tho
potent pivot
yeah, we can dream kek
spring bough
who do i gotta pay to make em bring it back
jolly sierra
but i am very sure legion original ones wont return ever again
jolly sierra
tbh
spring bough
and with infinite legion ilvl we gonna one shot it all
jolly sierra
i would love to get the CM rog set
but never got it at the day
i got lock one instead
i regret a lot
stoic spruce
what other classes have insane mage tower wep appearances
Unholy dk
Probably the coolest
spring bough
yeah that is wicked
jolly sierra
the pliers
stoic spruce
this is what I use currently
potent pivot
this is what I use currently
Tf is this
dark kernel
this is what I use currently
That's a 2h for suee
stoic spruce
a reward for completing This Side Up
stoic spruce
That's a 2h for suee
yeah its for unholy
potent pivot
a reward for completing This Side Up
What’s that again
potent pivot
With… the stuff?
jolly sierra
show me something better
potent pivot
I barely care for mounts ever
stoic spruce
while that is very cool, it's not better
jolly sierra
this is from monk
stoic spruce
look at this garbage
last jasper
look at this garbage
Lmao. I leveled rog specifically to get this mog back in legion 😂
jolly sierra
last jasper
This one is pretty cool too, tbh
jolly sierra
from chicken droods in MT
stoic spruce
thats pretty cool
jolly sierra
i use the shattered ashbringer w the xmog above
alongside the DF s1 tabard its a very threatening xmog combo tho
ppl will run away from u in pvp using both things tho
stoic spruce
surely its not because they dont want to pvp
jolly sierra
@wintry dew look at this death threat xmog, roast it kek
potent pivot
I wonder why the fashion mob dislikes people using full sets
its just unoriginal
you're not really making a transmog if you just use a full set
stoic spruce
I think it should get a pass if its current tier