pvp

[potent pivot]

?

AHK can basically play the game for you

it can do anything from simple button presses, up to running more complex scripts

turbo trigger just spams the button you're holding down 5-100 times per second

[hybrid palm]

Like queuing up N number of GCD presses with one button?

[potent pivot]

AHK can do that

[last jasper]

Clarification from blizz them self about current drama with awc, and whazzz accusation. Stuff like razer synspse turbo buttons are not allowed and will be punished. that it

[potent pivot]

turbo trigger is much more simple

[fierce cosmos]

sub or sin rogue for rated bgs?

[potent pivot]

either is fine

[fierce cosmos]

Nice

[hybrid palm]

How is this useful

[potent pivot]

it can allow you to get things off first or casted in a tight window with near perfect accuracy

[hybrid palm]

Ah like blind into sap?

[last jasper]

u are in cyclone and dru is trying to reclone u. U spam fade or reflect. So he wont have a chance to reclone

[potent pivot]

like if someone gaps CC on you, you can get a defensive off by just holding down the keybind

[hybrid palm]

I see

How commonly are these used

[potent pivot]

it seems clear enough to me, as it already did when i read the ToS myself the other day. but i get it

for whats its worth i do think they are somewhat good at banning people that abuse shit on the live ladder

[last jasper]

it seems clear enough for me too. But then I have a question. Why a guy on twich use it and even participate in tourney after that with 0 consequences?

[potent pivot]

i agree

100%

but i can also see it from their pov

[last jasper]

I mean if venruki drops an N word during broadcast, for instance, it wont take that much time to figure it out, right?

[potent pivot]

the turbo trigger was more of a secret thing some people were doing for a small edge, i don't think it was very widely used

AHK has been used in this game since the game or AHK were created

back in Wrath is when they implemented spell queuing iirc so AHK wouldn't provide as big of an advantage to doing your regular rotation (besides automation scripts)

but afaik people get banned pretty quickly for using it

[hybrid palm]

N currently people in awc are accused of using both ?

[last jasper]

no, only for using keyboard software and stuff like turbo buttons

[potent pivot]

^

[last jasper]

n press per/s

[hybrid palm]

I see

[potent pivot]

i don't even think you can call it 'accused' either tbh

the guy openly admitted it on his stream

[last jasper]

Yea, he wasn't accusing no one.

He was just confused cuz it should be punishable. But one guy use it openly live on a television and during tourney and no one cares.

[potent pivot]

i found it crazy that half of the guys abusing it were trying to clown whaazz for calling it out

"it doesn't even provide an advantage"

then why use it?

[last jasper]

maybe cuz they didn't want to be caught or something 😄

[potent pivot]

scumbag behavior imo

[last jasper]

well, I somehow agree. You need to know how to use it right. Like its not an autokick bot. But yea, that's a funny statement anyway

[potent pivot]

using it on all of your CC and defensives provides quite an advantage imo

[last jasper]

yea, it may. But a good player probably can do insane stuff with it.

[languid ravine]

Lets get the conversation back to what really matters

Blitz BG

I ve done more damage than my DH and Shadow combined, 9 minecarts and we won by only 90 points

I wish those guys would use AHK to play their rotation

[gusty hedge]

is coup de grace bugged on sub? got with with x4 coup de grace back to back

[languid ravine]

2.2 Blitz BG, Rogue does not Sap, dies after 5 seconds, talks big afterwards

can you imagine

[stoic spruce]

Were you that rogue?

[languid ravine]

I m talking big before that

theres a difference

[potent pivot]

are you sure they were coups?

it can bug out and highlight your Eviscerate without fully proccing Coup

and it can get stuck that way until you relog or die etc

[potent pivot]

Coup does multiple instances of damage

like similar to secret technique

[gusty hedge]

if this is normal, its really broken

[potent pivot]

how

its not that great ngl

each physical hit also causes a shadow hit etc, very normal

deathstalker can evis back to back for 3m+ each etc

[last jasper]

They are pretty much the same. The only difference is coup buffs sec tec quite a bit

[languid ravine]

I should maybe mention this was a 2v2 Situation he died against a Ret and Demo lock after 5 seconds XD I cant

[last jasper]

lmao

[languid ravine]

I think he is Ryte

[dark kernel]

It's not bugged and yeah trickster sub can be good just not as reliable

I actually really liked Trickster sub better than deathstalker, and I played it the majority of my way to 2.1

You use tea and 1 vanish and just go for huge burst

[exotic dove]

This made me laugh lol thanks for sharing that

[languid ravine]

Rets at 2k rating yesterday; 500k dps
Rets at 1.8k rating today; 1.2mil dps

I dont wanna play anymore

[stoic spruce]

Any solo queue pvp is only worth if you queue with a healer

[languid ravine]

healer in my lobby is perma offline but the rounds keep going

[grave basin]

had a ret chunk me from 50% yestd

[sharp sierra]

Would rather deal with rets atp than warriors and ww monks

[jolly sierra]

we had a ret gangbang in the last night

we just exploded a lock

between 3 rets

but was a demo

fuck him

[noble venture]

Is it worth it to RTB during crackshot windows?

[grave basin]

i can quit for the season now

[noble venture]

Congratulations

[grave basin]

thanks

was trying to get it on a setup spec

but i just played ww and never stopped pressing W

got it in half the effort

[jolly sierra]

whoa, gratz dude

did u had issues w slicing winds?

[severe helm]

technically yes

you dont want to do it in the second half of the window though

cuz you might end up losing a bte

[noble venture]

I see, thanks

Why not the second half?

(Also in this scenario, lets say I already have buffs up. Just for the supercharger proc)

[severe helm]

oh then definitely not

if you have 4 buffs up or 3 with RP(the bte crit chance one) you def wouldnt roll

[severe helm]

and just cuz you might lose a bte cuz youre wasting a gcd on rtb

you essentially only want to rtb in crackshot if you know youll be able to spend both supercharged cps by the end of it

and if you do it in the second half theres a good chance you only get one more finisher

in which case its not worth it

[noble venture]

I see I see, thanks

[noble venture]

I promise this is my last question, but is this an appropriate DPS for outlaw?

PvP dummy

[severe helm]

your bte is low, what is your adr uptime?

are you playing the GSW build?

[noble venture]

94% adr uptime

Unless details is fibbing

What is GSW? 😅

[severe helm]

greenskin wickers

[noble venture]

No

[severe helm]

its hard to say if its correct or not tbh theres a lot of variance in outlaws breakdown esp as fatebound

[noble venture]

I see I see

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m def starting to get a little annoyed with the RNG on rolls and playing around vanish

[grave basin]

only the first week

then it's fine

[jolly sierra]

i lose 170 CR yesterday because i had to logout in a moment

cuz slicing winds bugged up

i relogged inmedately and it kicked me out from the lobby

[grave basin]

yea it happened to me one time

tbh just talent out of it so atleast you have fsk back

[jolly sierra]

ye

[grave basin]

rather than dead talent node

[jolly sierra]

i will do it the next time

[grave basin]

warriors might be a goood shuffle class

[dark kernel]

This is pretty good If you're playing fate-bound hidden opportunity

Into your other question Don't use roll the bones during crackshot

[rustic isle]

Is there a world where poisons are a better choice if you’re just a 1v1 nerd who likes dueling and ganking in wpvp, or are bleeds just way too strong?

[languid ravine]

yes it is called world of warcraft

[noble venture]

Should I save supercharger points for crackshot? Spending on killing spree is a dps loss?

[last jasper]

nahhh. it just took me 100round to get 1.9 with no crafted and d stance bind 😄

[runic laurel]

@last jasper he linked ur checkpvp it means u lost the argument gg

[rustic isle]

Not quite the answer I was looking for but I appreciate the reply 😂

[jolly sierra]

if they says "what is your XP" then the arguing its over

cuz they ran out of ammo

[languid ravine]

I would say Kingsbane and Amp poison is clearly better in 1v1 if all you want is like do two to three healthbars in burst damage but after that bleeds take over in output

best try it on a target dummy

[proven sapphire]

Hey guys I play alt sub rogue but I cant seem to climb out of this cr in my solo, any tips

omg oops wrong one

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Moon Guard/Rytez

that was emberassing!

[pastel burrow]

did you join the disc just to do this bit

holy

[proven sapphire]

what u mean I like sub rogue

or I wouldn't play it

[pastel burrow]

👍

[languid ravine]

I m playing blitz at 2.7mmr

and its still filled with garbage people

like how

[last jasper]

Yea, that’s a checkmate move, ngl
Didn’t knew I had an argument tho. lol
The question is, who is a rat in here. Cuz the kid did a great research and joined cord deliberately to link this. For god knows what reason 😂

[dark kernel]

Because 2.7mmr in blitz is garbage

That's not to insult you it's just blitz is insanely inflated

[languid ravine]

what do you mean insult me? thats exactly what I m saying but how

[jolly sierra]

👍

[red tiger]

I'm glad I tabbed into here on accident to see the dick measuring contest

[jolly sierra]

like ppl would care for that lol

we all know here that that argument is just to say STFU if you got roasted

[candid condor]

People measuring dicks, but have yall ever tried measuring garlic bread.

[pliant mauve]

Now there’s a 12 inches I would gladly take

[stoic spruce]

I don't like when garlic bread is crunchy

Slightly toasted at best

[last jasper]

Running with your dick in your hands screaming isn’t a contest—it’s a cry for help.

[potent pivot]

there's no way you're this fucking petty Ryte, and this kind of childish bullshit isn't welcome here

[proven sapphire]

Imagine being selective

bros posting ss of me

but god forbid I join a public discord for sub rogue pvp info

[potent pivot]

He’s laughing at something you said. You’re posting his characters to put him down. There’s a difference. Grow the fuck up man

[proven sapphire]

hahahaha

[potent pivot]

One time gladiator thinking you’re hot shit and putting someone else down

[calm briar]

hello what gems do i use do i sim it somehow as in pve or whats the deal i checked murlok.io but its 50/50 and im kinda lost at this point

[candid condor]

Wait, this is pvp

Dont listen to me

[potent pivot]

[calm briar]

[potent pivot]

simming is really just for pve

it depends on your spec

[calm briar]

well i look up outlaw/fatebounds but some go crit vers and others haste vers ,they have same gear so idk whats the diff

[potent pivot]

it depends on how much haste you have

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

if you already have enough haste, you just gems vers/crit

if not, you can gem vers/haste etc

[calm briar]

oh oki

tvyms

[last jasper]

Leave him, Trickz. The kid wanted to make a point, and he did. I definitely don’t care. And no one did

[proven sapphire]

Yeah just 1v1 me

instead

[spring fulcrum]

posts ss of someone and laughs knowing hes trying to put them down gets same energy omg im such a victim

[proven sapphire]

lol nah only I can commit a crime

[candid condor]

Yall surely have better things to do

[last jasper]

I wouldn’t dare, love

[stoic spruce]

We all do but he doesn't

[proven sapphire]

Im evil this is what I do

[potent pivot]

if you really believe what both did are on the same level you need to crawl out the basement man

[proven sapphire]

yeah I was glad once

im evil

[potent pivot]

fel hammer might tolerate that weird behavior

[spring fulcrum]

u cant cry about getting shit talked after definitely shit talking someone else

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/under-the-bed-creeping-gif-11940347

He does this in every server he's in btw

[last jasper]

You need to Google meaning of “to shit talk someone”

[proven sapphire]

Hes just being selective

its only ok if some people do it

[potent pivot]

laughing at a ss of what someone said, with zero other words "shit talking" ... nah

[proven sapphire]

not people who got glad apparently

his words

[spring fulcrum]

you definitely posted that SS to shit talk like what he said was dumb or something but sure

[proven sapphire]

I thought it was done and over it with too

but there must be some e girl in here he gotta impress idk

im just evil and have no life

[candid condor]

Yeah, its me. Im the egirl. Its over and done with, move on.

[potent pivot]

nah i just never tolerate someone who uses check pvp to defend them

it's childish

[spring fulcrum]

then get better rating and people cant talk about ur checkpvp

[stoic spruce]

Resorting to checkpvp usually means they have nothing to say about the original argument

So they resort to personal insults

It happens literally all the time

[red tiger]

*Cheesey garlic bread

[stoic spruce]

And I refuse to believe this time is different

[candid condor]

Real

If it aint got cheese, is it even garlic bread

[red tiger]

Real

[spring fulcrum]

just have a higher rating idk

[red tiger]

It's not. It happens to me too when arguing with people on any game about mechanics

'this is why ur fat'

no im fat bc i like cheesey garlic bread

[candid condor]

TRUE

Man, you are making me hungry, why you do me like that

[red tiger]

[stoic spruce]

If my garlic bread doesn't have a cheese pull I'm getting a refund

[red tiger]

Fr

Any food with cheese

really

needs to have a pull

or its not real

[jolly sierra]

i got 2k4 into pvp but i am not proud cuz it was w ret, even like that i wouldnt be that petty to make a point

[stoic spruce]

The US has a cave of cheese so I know there's enough cheese to put more on in my pizza crust

[jolly sierra]

why dh players are so edgy ffs

[red tiger]

but nah, my fav thing to do is 'if you havent gottne top 0.1% ur opinion isnt real'

People get so mad

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason ppl doesnt respect DHs and consider them a meme

[candid condor]

0.1% of cheesy garlic bread eaters fr fr

[red tiger]

Yeah

fr

[stoic spruce]

Me fr

[red tiger]

i fucking love pepper jack

[jolly sierra]

lit

[red tiger]

me when pepper jack

https://tenor.com/view/love-drool-hearts-heart-eyes-ashura-gif-6509260431576381442

[jolly sierra]

pvp is already a small pool

ppl is just cherrypicking the arguments lol

[red tiger]

yeee

[stoic spruce]

Are just*

This is my cherry picked argument

[red tiger]

People already dont want to play pvp

so let me argue with them

and make them dislike it more

hmm yes surely

[jolly sierra]

sorry mr popo my bilingual mind doesnt grammar sometimes properly

[red tiger]

billingual

so are u like

[stoic spruce]

Bros only bilingual

[red tiger]

attracted to ppl who speak french

or what

[jolly sierra]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[jolly sierra]

i like russian women

[stoic spruce]

But do Russian women like you?

[candid condor]

[jolly sierra]

idk, ask em

[red tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-french-baguette-oui-gif-12467973228197001461

[noble venture]

crazy how the anime pfps were arguing

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/circo-circus-clow-gif-27542719

[jolly sierra]

satoru goyo would be proud

[noble venture]

Sandy Gooboo

[noble venture]

Fantastic gif

[jolly sierra]

a classic hispanic one

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-phone-call-listening-long-yeet-gif-11764220

[red tiger]

looks like t1

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/diddy-diddler-diddy-party-video-call-gif-13756118230995942540

[noble venture]

Is spiderman banned in this server?

[stoic spruce]

Me reaction after playing outlaw post Restless Blades nerf

[noble venture]

My apologies

[jolly sierra]

was because the C word

in the reject

[candid condor]

No, but if your image has words that is on the filter, maybe dont post them smile

[noble venture]

If I've made an error I apologise, which filter do you refer to?

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

C word

100%

[potent pivot]

There is a bot that filters typed words

[stoic spruce]

Finding banned words through the filter is like standing on a landmine

[jolly sierra]

lit

[last jasper]

What’s the c word?

[candid condor]

Its just a question of being a decent person. If you wouldnt use the word about your mom, might as well not type it.

[jolly sierra]

i wont say it

[candid condor]

(inb4 this aint austrialia )

[potent pivot]

… they typed it anyway

[candid condor]

[last jasper]

I didn’t meant you to say. It would filter it silly 😂

But I think I get it

[noble venture]

Average American sensibilities

[jolly sierra]

OOF

https://tenor.com/view/hasta-la-proxima-float-fly-gif-14857954

i am GTFO here

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

I like to go to aquariums and zoos and be a good visitor

I read all the plaques, don't touch glass, etc.

Zoos love me

[noble venture]

If you ask nicely they let you eat the sharks

They have a guy in the back with a big cleaver who never washes his hands

[stoic spruce]

His name is Scrumblob

[noble venture]

How do you know I don't wash my hands after chopping up sharks

[stoic spruce]

I doubt you know how to wash your hands at all

[noble venture]

: (

[stoic spruce]

I'm sorry

[noble venture]

I forgive u

[stoic spruce]

It was the good visitor in me that came out

I couldn't fathom touching the animals

[noble venture]

You should steer clear of petting zoos

If you ask to eat the animals there, they will kick you out

Do not ask how I know (uneducated guess)

[stoic spruce]

I actually do most of the time. If the animals are scared.

I may just be a pussy though idk

[noble venture]

zoos r kind of fucked up when u think about it

imagine if you could pay to take photos of inmates at a prison

the animals are very often stressed out

[stoic spruce]

There's an organization that make guidelines that zoos have to follow though idk how strict they are.

I forget what it's called but exhibits have to mirror their natural habitat as closely as possible.

Those that do are generally good zoos

Though yeah concrete enclosures not so much

[noble venture]

It makes me question the ethics behind owning pets

I don't have an opinion on this one, but more so just questions

[noble venture]

Those are miserable

[jolly sierra]

idk my cat is happy w me

[stoic spruce]

Cats are sooo harmful to the environment as well

[jolly sierra]

and can move out towards the neighborhood too

[noble venture]

I feel like some animals like birds shouldn't be kept as pets

Most people put them in the cage of doom

[jolly sierra]

ye, but birbs are in trees here

[stoic spruce]

Cats climb trees goober

That's like their whole thing

[jolly sierra]

not the ones from our neighborhood

they are dumb af

[stoic spruce]

Well regardless, cats are responsible for a lot of animal endangerments

But not pandas cats

His are good kitties

[jolly sierra]

ye my cat is a lazy fuck

and just sleeps in the yard

[noble venture]

Is that such a bad thing? It happens all the time in the wild, though a hypothetically suburban environment is not wild

[jolly sierra]

the difference is cats are domestic

so owners are responsible

its like u have water for dogs outside the house

to make them drink

[noble venture]

But if the owners take responsibility, then I don't know if it's right to blame the animal for endangering other animals

[jolly sierra]

but imagine someone poisons the water, or even more

[noble venture]

Not sure

[stoic spruce]

A lot of times cats aren't native to where the they reside

[jolly sierra]

they doesnt do anything

[stoic spruce]

Well yeah if they take responsibility then sure but how many do that?

[jolly sierra]

and the dogs spreads the diseases like a dk

[stoic spruce]

Evidently not a lot

[stoic spruce]

Especially their dooky

[jolly sierra]

cuz the water

[jolly sierra]

ppl here is dumb ngl

i would kick all the water they leave here

[stoic spruce]

Their dooky kills people

[jolly sierra]

they are harming the environment

my cat for example is female, i have her sterile

cuz i know she would have a lot of kitties on the roof

[stoic spruce]

My dog is literally R word so I'm not at all worried about her.

Plus where I live its fine

[jolly sierra]

same, we have a lot of hawks, pigeons, gulls and pelicans here

[stoic spruce]

Omg same

[jolly sierra]

flying around

[stoic spruce]

Are you my neighbor

[potent pivot]

killin me here, Smalls

[stoic spruce]

She has the papers to prove it

[jolly sierra]

perhaps

[stoic spruce]

Well I do. She's a dog.

Amazing

Yknow I live in a super rural area but I never ever see rats

[jolly sierra]

we purged rats here

[stoic spruce]

Maybe it's the cats that are killing the rats

[jolly sierra]

maybe, my one just sleeps

[last jasper]

lol

[stoic spruce]

Well the reason I brought it up was I seen one the other day for the first time in like 10 years and it was chewed in half by I'm assuming my dog.

[jolly sierra]

i bought this, its yummy

[jolly sierra]

the dogs from my mom eats rats

they are made for that tho

[stoic spruce]

Yeah my dog is a small one

[red tiger]

so was asmongold

whats ur point

[noble venture]

Did they put the Texan into a hydraulic press to extract the BBQ?

[stoic spruce]

Why....

[red tiger]

i was tabbed into here but in mid of league game

[noble venture]

Who's that

[stoic spruce]

It's fat guy sweat

[jolly sierra]

have u seen the fairly oddparents?

when they did lemonade?

[stoic spruce]

Obtuse rubber goose green moose guava juice?

[red tiger]

also no

[noble venture]

no

[red tiger]

fat guy sweat is onion juice

[stoic spruce]

Doritos in general makes really good chips

They finally made I flavor I actually hate

[red tiger]

The best flavor is tapatio anyway

so

[jolly sierra]

fair

[stoic spruce]

They lost so much aura with Golden Sriracha

[red tiger]

F

[jolly sierra]

dude i went to a yugioh tourney today

[red tiger]

Tapatio has been around forever and its still goated

[jolly sierra]

a fucker left the room smelling like dorito

[stoic spruce]

Tapitio doritos?

[red tiger]

ye

[jolly sierra]

regular ones

[noble venture]

He looks tasty

[stoic spruce]

Tapitio is my favorite hotsauce

[red tiger]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTer2NqQT9UXTZ_4zfvsQ1y5df5-IHcFEJYgg&s

Its fkn goated

as fuck

[stoic spruce]

If I weren't cutting I'd see if my store has them

[noble venture]

Optimal to save Supercharger combo points for Crackshot exclusively? Or is it ok to spend on killing spree

[stoic spruce]

Use on CD

It don't really matter

[noble venture]

So what it gets spent on isn't relevant then?

I presumed it was to be used during crackshot to have more combo point refresh RNG

[stoic spruce]

BtE is so nerfed in pvp anyway its probably better spent on KS or Coup if playing trickster

[noble venture]

Still top damage most cases I think though

[potent pivot]

not really

[stoic spruce]

Yeah because it's pressed a billion times

[noble venture]

Do these interact?

[potent pivot]

if you have to press rtb DURING crackshot though

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[potent pivot]

try to make sure you press it in the first half of your crackshot

but don't make it a point to press it during it

[stoic spruce]

Cdr is more important than ever after the RB nerf so you can't really afford holding it for anything specific

[noble venture]

I see I see

Thanks

[proven sapphire]

read the context

[noble venture]

speak ur truth iPhone

[red tiger]

🫄

[ionic orbit]

What addons do you guys use? For some reason the omnibar add on isn't functioning on my computer. In this last arena it just showed the word omnibar in a transparent box.

[potent pivot]

you might need to update your addons or something

and get Gladius

[ionic orbit]

I'll try Gladius

they're updated

[ionic orbit]

does Gladius show all 3 arena enemies at once and if they have trinket and kick or not?

[potent pivot]

it shows their trinkets/racials and what CC is on diminishing returns for them

you can set up other ways to show their kick/defensive/offensive CDs

either with omnibar, sweepyboop, etc

[open thunder]

addons in pvp??

wtf

[stoic spruce]

Yeah UIs in pvp are more weakauras or addons than the actual game

[last jasper]

At this point, it’s just pure trolling from Blizzard — they’ve basically added WeakAura to the default UI before giving us proper DR trackers.

[noble venture]

Is it optimal to make sure BTE is on CD before popping a crackshot window?

Or is it better to use combo points on crackshot immediately

Assuming I already have BTE buff

[stoic lava]

It is optimal but a minor gain

[dark kernel]

Just use BTE whenever it's up.

Since vanish resets anyway.

If you're playing trickster you also prioritize coup over it, and Killing Spree

[gusty hedge]

just make sure you have combo points going into stealth so you don't waste gcd building points

[dark kernel]

Yea that

Or my personal favorite is to hookshot kidney the healer, pop AR going back to kill target vanish opening into dick

[stoic spruce]

We're never getting a shadenox guide for outlaw ever again

[dark kernel]

Outlaw is dead!

[spring bough]

Outlaw is dead? What?

[dark kernel]

3rd lowest melee represented spec in shuffle

The bottom 2 are both DKs 💀

[noble venture]

ya but is that not partially due to difficulty?

though maybe it is also weak

[gleaming sentinel]

Kinda think outlaw kinda like survival in a sense that you play hunter to be ranged shooter boi, rogue you wanna be sneaky stabby boi

Just not a high pop spec

[dark kernel]

Yeah, I think outlaw is insanely fun outside of the lack of damage

It's actually kind of wild that Sub is more the meta, simple spec right now (other than sin which always is top)

[severe helm]

No that rule is gone

You can ignore that entirely

That's a KiR specific thing for fatebound

Unless you're playing KiR fatebound in pvp haha then you a wild one

[noble venture]

I see, I'm getting conflicting info on this one it seems

[severe helm]

Okay let me double check then haha

[noble venture]

I mean it makes sense to press it before crackshot windows right? It's a very efficient button given the refunds on combo points

Idk though

[severe helm]

Nah yeah so as fatebound dispatch has extra value cuz it procs coin

[dark kernel]

The only difference is if you use BTE, then get full CPs and vanish to start the window, is your first crackshot gains the crit from prior to steal thing and coins

[severe helm]

So bte is only worth it outside of crackshot if you have RP

Otherwise it's technically not worth pressing

Trickster you can press it on CD

[dark kernel]

Yeah but assume he needs to press bte for the buff anyway

[severe helm]

There was a rule to only vanish with bte on CD as KiR fatebound in season one but that's not something you want to do in pvp

And yeah this is all assuming you keep the buff up but that's usually mostly passive

In pvp since your setup is usually kidneying a target then vanishing for burst you don't want to also try to bte before that vanish

You'll just lose too many globals and momentum during that window

[noble venture]

This is interesting to me

[severe helm]

It's because coin flips come from dispatch only

[noble venture]

Ahhh

[severe helm]

And bte does like no damage if it doesn't crit

AND bte crits are nerfed by 200% in pvp

[noble venture]

But it's still optimal to maintain BTE buff correct?

Just not to overuse it

[severe helm]

Yeah ofc

[noble venture]

Ok cool

[dark kernel]

This is a big don't over think it thing man

Use bte when it's up, keep the buff up. Use dispatch other

There's going to be SO FEW times where you can make a micro decision to gain like, 100k damage

[severe helm]

Yeah these are minor things. I would focus on having clean setups and good burst

Outlaw can't win matches off of damage

It's been nerfed too many times

It's all about setups

[noble venture]

I dunno

I think you're right that setups are good, but damage wins games most cases

If not all

Maybe there's nothing I can do, but this isn't what I want from my damage

Solo shuffle overall

[dark kernel]

It's a good idea to think of damage, but I guarantee this scenario is so microcosmic that your wasting resources trying to mib max it specifically

Yeah that damage is low, but you're going to be bottom damage into 2 ranged DPS unless the match is short

Triple ranged lobby is pain, especially into Devoker

Lots of classes are real real strong right now, and outlet is honest to God near the very bottom

[noble venture]

I actually went 5-1 somehow, but I could easily have went 1-5

I attribute this to luck, but idk

I'll think more about it

It's probably an uptime issue

[dark kernel]

Yeah you're going to have an uptime issue there

[noble venture]

Even in melee lobbies

I know I'm not going to compare to top melee damage, but sometimes I have 1/2 of their overall

Surely more to optimize

[dark kernel]

The only times I really get giga damage details sheees

Is if I roll 5 dice on open, get a clean sap and engage and my partner CCs and we get a kill in first rotation.

And I'll have like 1M+ DPS on the board

All melee lobbies I'll sometimes have like 750-800K but it depends if there's a fury or a paladin

[noble venture]

I see I see

I'm probably losing focus mid match to be honest

Missing GCDs maybe

Target dummies are much easier to parse on

[dark kernel]

I dunno man. Everyone told me to focus on damage, but I kind of fucked off that and worked on just maximizing uptime, and making sure to land as much CC off DR as possible

[last jasper]

https://youtu.be/X237YFC5uLY?si=TZNXtpB04ybd_Yx2

[languid ravine]

The new Delve "Excavation Site 9" is just amazing, not only does it take 2x longer than other Delves, but also you can get hardstuck in a hole you cant jump out of

nevermind you can jump out of it but I tried for 3 minutes

[sharp bough]

does vanish removes faerie swarm's disarm?

[last jasper]

healer should dispel it.

[sharp bough]

ye but i mean

it's a slow

vanish removes slows

so

[last jasper]

yea, I realise that later.

[dark kernel]

It likely doesn't remove the disarm effect just the snare

That would be op

[last jasper]

wasting 2min cd for 45 disarm. not that op tbh

but still healer should dispel it in a sec

[dark kernel]

But also fuck druids having disarm

[sharp bough]

yeah but we have 2 charges and we can kind of reset it via our cdr

so should be like, we dispell it while we have another ''burst'' windows

[last jasper]

I might just had a record. less then 7min for 6 rounds of shuff lol

[dark kernel]

Was it a prot pal lobby

Getting those is both anxiety inducing and nuts because your brain can't be of use. It's all a race to see who gets bubble/bops first.

[last jasper]

shit, dh cord exploded

cuz of one harmless ss

[potent pivot]

Some people can be weird

[last jasper]

yep

but thats fckin hilarious, ngl

[runic laurel]

when u try to expose someone so u can ego them but get the wrong character, thats blessed. peak dh behavior

[dark kernel]

AHj

Im yellow now like pee

[last jasper]

betrayer

[dark kernel]

I played Sub in DF S2 and last season

[potent pivot]

stinky !

[jolly sierra]

this is from when DH was being reworked but the spec was dead in DF, it happened in Fel Hammer

[proven sapphire]

Damn where the pvp talk at

Who's the best rogue here

[dark kernel]

Ivan

im probably forgetting someone else

[dark kernel]

half the discords Im in are talking about being mass reported on Moonguard/Sargeras Elwyn forest by people

lmao

[potent pivot]

Moon guard

[last jasper]

[gusty hedge]

@potent pivot @severe helm

[severe helm]

I didnt even get r1 solo last season

Im washed

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[jolly sierra]

like what happened w crafting cartels in DF?

[proven sapphire]

What's their check pvp

[last jasper]

@jolly sierra make your bet

[jolly sierra]

bout what

[last jasper]

About for how long this little pumpkin gonna last

[jolly sierra]

24 hours

[formal pebble]

What its up there with fungal folly for how fast it is

[jaunty pollen]

Sin or Sub? (Only ever played Sub and I'm trash)

[potent pivot]

Either is fine

[proven sapphire]

Omg who

I wanna see what the best subs are cooking

Link check pvp

[dark kernel]

just look up Nahj's rogues

or Kalvish

all mastery gear, 2pc, Kalvish is messing with 4pc on TR and it seems good

[proven sapphire]

I played against Kalvish in 3s few days ago

Huge fan

[dark kernel]

As in obese?

[proven sapphire]

Yeah

What's the difference with trickster vs night stalker

[dark kernel]

Trickster has some built in cleave, more damage on ShadowStrike, can be a little more consistent damage, but overall slightly weaker

if you line up buffs better, then Deathstalker is always a bit stronger

Darkest Night also has built in energy regen

[proven sapphire]

Is getting elite on sub in solos considered good since you have to work with spam Dr's from allies

[dark kernel]

Elite on any of the specs is pretty decent, but Sin is clearly the easiest and outlaw the hardest

[proven sapphire]

gotcha

[ionic orbit]

How do you get rid of the blizzard arena frames or move them?

[potent pivot]

https://wago.io/c5Ubas8zj

importing that WeakAura will hide them

or you can just move them in default Edit Mode

[sharp bough]

question ppl

did blizz buffed combat stamina in pvp?

[ionic orbit]

for some reason I can't select them in edit mode. just tried the import code and the blizzard frames are still there

[sharp bough]

what's the best embellishment for olaw?

[dark kernel]

Double focusing lens

[sharp bough]

thanks

[potent pivot]

Likely a tooltip bug, have seen it happen before

[potent pivot]

You might have to use the addon “MoveAny” to move it then

But if you import that WeakAura it’ll just completely hide them altogether

[ionic orbit]

I'll try that move any addon. for some reason the weakaura import isn't hiding the frames

[potent pivot]

Strange I think that’s what I use to hide them but idr

You can always google “hide default arena frames wow”

To look for options

[stoic spruce]

@jolly sierra remember when we burned down the night elf tree?

[jolly sierra]

it started to bright like the wickerman in halloween

beautiful

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[dark kernel]

Shuffle queues already getting to be like 30 mins in peak hours

But on Fridays and Saturday legit 1 min queues

[pliant mauve]

I get sussed out when that happens. Last night I got 3 insta queues. Went 6/0 back to back (first time doing that so that was nice) around 2.1 and got absolutely violated in the 3rd one.

[severe helm]

first time queueing blitz this season

cant even get a match lol

think im not even gona bother this season

[last jasper]

0 rating qs are always long cuz of bad matchmaking.

Qs are better now somehow. Around ~10min. And it seems even better for na

[severe helm]

cr isnt relevant though in matchmaking

its all mmr

im only 2800 mmr in blitz idk why my queues are 20-30 mins

[potent pivot]

Idk usually they’re like 7-12min even around 3k

Depending on the time/day sometimes

[last jasper]

Yea, I know. Spaghetti code. Even on a fresh toon with 0 history the first q is like 2x longer than all others that follow

[severe helm]

I mean this was right now im watching people on stream get insta pops multiple times in a row solo queueing at the same mmr as me

I think they just have REALLLLLY bad matchmaking code

[potent pivot]

Yeah first time queues of a season usually take a while idk why

[last jasper]

nah, I dont know how to play this game anymore or I just brain damaged since birth

[hybrid palm]

Is ele shaman going to stay this way till end of season?

[potent pivot]

Possibly. It’s not too op atm

They’re in a good spot and I’d rather see them than see even more mages

[hybrid palm]

Sigh, they're so tanky like spriest n machine gun cast

[noble venture]

Casters should need to cast to deal dmg

Very poopy design IMO round the board for casters

[winged dew]

Hello. I need help with shadowmelt sleath macro. Is this macro working?
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth

[dark kernel]

It should work. There's like 10 variations of the macro. Just be aware, you always have to hit these macros more than once to get to stealth

Some people think you can make it a single button press and you cant

[still river]

Is there also a monk pvp Channel Like This ?

[dark kernel]

Yeah I'm sure someone @potent pivot might have a link

[gusty hedge]

what slite said!
i find this macro bugs/doesn't put you in stealth even if you spam/double press it if you're low or have no energy. sometimes you get hit at the split second u meld and it knocks you out (no stealth)

[spring bough]

wintergrasp quests should be daily and not weekly

would be such an epic conquest farm lol

[spring bough]

what if they added flying to some battlegrounds lol

[dark kernel]

I wanted a vertical dragon jousting BG that's 50 man ffa

[languid ravine]

why everytime I need 30 conquest my skirmish teammate does never press divine shield 5 rounds in a row and only slightly exaggerating

[torpid coyote]

Playing Solo Shuffle, what do you even do in a double melee vs double ranged match up? I feel whatever ranged we ignore just free casts and blows us up

[dark kernel]

Watching Chibaku run a highly specialized counter comp to their own team comp sure is something

Literally pres + mage to counter the DH ele

[dark kernel]

What's the other melee class and who are the ranged classes?

[torpid coyote]

It's solo shuffle so it varies, but I generally struggle fighting double ranged

Toughest is probably something like mage/warlock + Hunter

Or just double hunter

[dark kernel]

I understand but I was assuming you had a specific matchup that just caused an issue

Hunter you just gotta either line one hunters Trueshot and eat the others with evasion

[torpid coyote]

Whats the game plan vs double ranged?, you cant cleave them and you end up running around the arena all game chasing a single target

[dark kernel]

The honest answer is you hit who you can, and you go the easier caster to go on

In a case of Mage + Hunter, you sit the mage

The rational, is that by going mage you can Interrupt his damage and CC more than you can a hunter who is not kickable

Now, you always look to swaps, and if you can't hit the mage easily hit who you can

[slow dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/humping-poo-pulling-gif-14662727

Hug your favorite pillar and prayge

[hybrid palm]

as an intermediate rogue ~2k rating, i win all my rounds against hunter, no matter what the other two enemies are

between gouge disarm kidney cheap, they have very little uptime on damage

and if it's not marksman, but bm, then i drop dismantle for maneuverability and run the bm down

[languid ravine]

is Ele like actually broken or something I have never seen this many Elemental shamans in shuffle ever

[dark kernel]

Primordial wave and some tweaking at season 2

It's never been bad since all DF

It's being played every game in AWC since rogue and mage got nerfed, and it's used in heavy dampening comps

Just disgusting spell damage cleave, lots of healer stress, little hard casting = good

[severe helm]

Yeah shaman is getting a lot of attention this season

[dark kernel]

Lots of thunder cleave going to be happening

Already seen on ladder but now it'll be worse.

[hybrid palm]

Hopefully nerfed 😄

[proper vortex]

Is there any good blitz bg guide? Most of the time i think im am useless and in the wrong place

[dark kernel]

Look up Rogue BG blitz guides. There's Ryrog which is good

There's also the complete BG blitz guide by EzgameL which has strategies per map which is good base knowledge

What you do in each map is going to be dependent on what spec you play

[proper vortex]

Oh nice thanks. I would like to play assa, but if it keeps me from improving i would switch to sub

[hybrid palm]

Whazz quit rogue ? 😮

[potent pivot]

When it comes to awc everyone has to play their best comp

[dark kernel]

Assa is fine, you just will be team fighting a lot more because your way more built for that

[hybrid palm]

So basically rogue damage needs buff 😄

[potent pivot]

Nah

It’s not only about damage

It’s specifically about outlaw getting nerfed

[hybrid palm]

But what about the other two specs being competitive, that's a damage angle no?

[potent pivot]

No

It’s about the entire kit, survivability and damage

[hybrid palm]

Hmm

[potent pivot]

If they only cared about damage they would want to play ele/DH or something

[hybrid palm]

Why doesn't anyone play assa in awc, survivability ?

[potent pivot]

Pretty much yeah

There’s not really a “meta” assa comp rn

You can do fine on the regular ladder as assa

[hybrid palm]

Yeah it's a pub stomper

[potent pivot]

The top end meta shifted a lot because they nerfed all 3 specs of rmp

Outlaw/frost/priest

[hybrid palm]

Ya

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

unbound spoils on fresh alt

ezpz

[dark kernel]

Assassination Rogue has multiple hard counters, classes that just completely nullified deathmark which makes it terrible in a competitive setting

[sharp bough]

for outlaw, i should get 15% haste or 10%?, bc alacrity gives up to 5%

[potent pivot]

Either is fine, you don’t really take alacrity into account in pvp because it’s very likely to drop a fair amount

The main thing that’s important in pvp is just the haste in stealth talent

[jolly sierra]

finally, i was craving for this title

[sharp bough]

oh oka oka

[jolly sierra]

Champion

[potent pivot]

[sharp bough]

lmao now i miss my panda rogue from bfa

[jolly sierra]

my panda is from legion

XD

[gleaming sentinel]

people dropping cto for gw?

[potent pivot]

nah, the few people that are trying greenskins are dropping ghostly strike for it

[gleaming sentinel]

that makes sense thanks

[potent pivot]

a couple drop cto for it, but main thing i saw was GS

[potent pivot]

most people just don't run greenskins at all

just to throw that out there

[gleaming sentinel]

yea, i did a few with it, hardl noticeable, but i def noticed losing cto

[waxen meteor]

it seems ret buff is quite solid

[languid ravine]

Done with this trash season, now I can finally go back to going 0-6 in 1800 rated games on my DH

I swear I coasted off my last seasons rating, played like dog 80% of the time

we take it

[dark kernel]

That's still seriously impressing

I got duelist last season as sub and I'm trying for elite outlaw this season and it's definitely not easy

[languid ravine]

I tried Duelist on Sub, gave up xd

you should have seen my games I got a trash resto druid 4 times in a row which means I always go neutral or get a lucky cheese win

[jolly sierra]

its worthy to be considered S tier

as both of the buffs turned that spells into their main damage sources

[hybrid palm]

If blizz changes queue declines to a debuff win trading will stop

[potent pivot]

i don't think they can

then anyone who accidentally AFKs their queue would get a debuff etc, and i'm sure there's more reasons

[languid ravine]

you could make it apply after 3 stacks and then ramp up

[hybrid palm]

I mean it's a 15 minute debuff say, it basically punishes smoke break queuers. But for regular attendance , if you queue , you wait = win , n if you decline you get debuff is good system I feel

If you can't queue, you just press leave queue

[waxen meteor]

yeah i just tried a bit, farmed fresh gear

5 lobbies, only 3 finished

2 as 60

at 2150 ish mmr

and one lobby against SP+Frost Mage

[jolly sierra]

ret is good af

indeed

i did shuffles and got 1k8 not at full gear

[waxen meteor]

gave me an illusion that i am good

it seems when your dmg is upupup, I also have a lot of gcd to do support

[jolly sierra]

ye

eye for eye buff is big

at is baked w div prot

[dark kernel]

I actually do not know what to do as Outlaw vs Sin rogue

because no OP cloak I just have to rely on my healer

there's not really stopping the damage just delaying it

[hybrid palm]

Aim healer n stay away from his cleave, at least as sub that's what I do

[dark kernel]

Hmm i dunno

this dude just would not open so every match was a mexican stand off

i stunned him off DR, disarmed his trinkets, trinket evasioned his smoke bomb

and it just wasn't enough

I think as outlaw I need to match his vanishes to kill his re-open too

[severe helm]

outlaw vs sin I just sit on their healer

if youre talking about 2s

[quasi thicket]

Guys. Is outlaw the most sustained damage spec in PvP? The most bursty is sub, what about assa?
Looking for the most brawly of all so I can hang on better in skirmishes in bgs!

[potent pivot]

generally assa and sub do more overall damage in arena but outlaw can be more in the other team's face more

[quasi thicket]

Got it! 🙌

[wanton breach]

gz!

[noble venture]

Is it optimal to RTB for supercharger mid kidney shot?

Lets say in RMP

Follow up question, should crackshot only be used within kidney shots in RMP?

I find myself sending a vanish just to maintain AR uptime, but not nice to be missing a vanish when I need to cc the healer

[dark kernel]

It doesn't affect kid ey

[noble venture]

Let me rephrase, sorry. I mean the damage in the kidney

Is it more damage to spend a GCD on RTB, rather than a different rotational button

Lets say RTB is refreshed by the kindey shot

In my testing they are comparable, but maybe I'm missing something

[dark kernel]

Oh. Yeah don't roll during your go windows during stuns

It's just a bad habit

[gusty hedge]

Keep one charge of vanish incase you need a defensive. Anytime you find yourself vanishing (usually when you are going for cc/ bursting), That is your crackshot window. That's what resets between the eyes, spam 5cp+ or if u get ace up your sleeve during crackshot window.
You want to use kidney on heals mainly followed by cs into dr when low if going for kill (on the healer :p) regularly should be going for kidney followed by blind to chain cc healer /smokebomb to kill, kill target.( great if healer popped trinket then he's fucked).
Using supercharger you want to rtb on cd but never during your goes/crackshot/vanish windows/ if you have 4+ rolls. should be used to maintain buffs from falling off and before setting up to kill/making a play.

[dark kernel]

had a good ass night queueing 3s

[green oyster]

is there any guide to playing outlaw in pvp?

i feel like i can't kill anyone in 2s

[dark kernel]

There are a few but outlaw is not fantastic right now

[sharp bough]

what's better for pvp

vers, crit or vers mast?

for outlaw

[slow dawn]

I think its vers,haste, crit, mast

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[sharp bough]

hmmmm oka

thanks

[gleaming sentinel]

Hopefully they uncap conquest soon

[stoic spruce]

Do I need to come out of retirement and show yall how it's done?

Trickz

Cmere lemme slap you

In orgrimmar

[dark kernel]

you legit got like 5-6 weeks

someone posted conquest uncapped May 13

[quaint cedar]

crazy seeing rogue not played at all in AWC now post nerf

only one I saw from yesterday's stream was Brunhity on outlaw for like 2 games before he swapped to WW

none so far today in NA

[jolly sierra]

that is nice

we will get buffs

kek

[quaint cedar]

lmao

blizzard never buffs rogue

only nerfs

already considering just coasting with alts for a bit until I get bored and then waiting for next season

[jolly sierra]

didn't assa got buffs recently?

[quaint cedar]

not that I remember. maybe some pve buffs? but not anything substantial if there was

I'm sure rogue will be good again eventually, but I do think blizzard is deliberately keeping us bad this season because they want other classes to shine right now, like WW for example

[jolly sierra]

ahh right

are only pve changes

or ret

ret turned disgusting

[dark kernel]

Just play sin with a lock or spriest

Makes games worlds easier

[jolly sierra]

what if i just solo shuffle?

[jolly sierra]

wtf this name dude

[noble venture]

Is outlaw viable still? Feels very hyper meh

I feel my rotation is correct, but negative dps still

Feels like most games are 90% about throughput

[sharp bough]

not the best one bursting or dealing well against high armor targets but funny enough to be played

hey guys, if for some reason, even if it's a 1 in 1000000000 chance blizz decides to add a PvP talent that makes olaw "pierce armor by 2% per skill used it would make olaw viable for pvp or at least balanced"?

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

there's really no point, they would just do regular damage tuning as always. but outlaw isn't going to be the top damage rogue spec ever again most likely unless its fully reworked

[sharp bough]

all i want is to get at least a real burst for my pirate roger

then, wadayathink about a rework to turn olaw into "duelist" or "brawler" instead, with 2 battle instances, fencer stance and ranged instance, 2 in 1

[stoic spruce]

I'll be 100% honest

Outlaw doesn't feel like it's worth anyone's time anymore

[formal pebble]

Blitz is so hit or miss rn. I hold LH and 1v2 the assrogue/hunter multiple times, check the scoreboard, I have the only kills and my team is just getting rinsed at every point while up 1 person. Pain

[stoic spruce]

I'm not going to say it's not viable because that's obviously wrong but it's def not worth the effort.

[dark kernel]

Outlaw feeling real rough

I can actually just be trained out of fights by warriors and spend a lot of time running

[stoic spruce]

CC bot for the foreseeable future

[dark kernel]

Ret/War/druid is also disgusting

Just an abysmal experience fighting it

[jaunty osprey]

enhance assa

to the moon

[severe helm]

I mean it wasn't even the top before

Outlaw hasn't done more DPS than assa in years

Assa has been the top DPS rogue spec for a long while

I think blizzard is struggling with balancing pvp after they tried to rework cc duration

As much as people hated long ccs I think the alternative ended up with them balancing so that people just die faster so you still die from your healer being cced

So they just made the whole thing faster and more one shotty haha

[dark kernel]

Game pacing has increased now for years

[severe helm]

Yeah it's ridiculous how fast it is now

People die so quick

[dark kernel]

I think wotlk or cata perfect minus cata level healing

Like self healing.

[severe helm]

As much as shadow lands had a lot of issues, the pacing in pvp in like s2 and s3 was very good

[potent pivot]

Never said it was

Was just making the point that it never will be going forward

[severe helm]

Ah thought you mean it was cuz you said "ever again"

Gotcha

Yeah outlaws not the win from damage spec that's for sure

A lot of people want it to be a fury war but it just doesn't have that level of pressure

[sharp bough]

ret and furry wars are broken

furry wars can deal 5m dmg from a single rampage and 2.1m's with execute

[stoic lava]

Yes viable as ladder representation in every bracket is there but if you're not having fun with it don't force your self haha

I could probably un bind every button on my hunter except dark arrow and do more damage though

So if you want to just do dam then maybe try some other jazz

assa etc

[sharp bough]

what evoker spells can be kicked?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw will never be not viable simply because it's a rogue and if rogues don't do the dmg, they still have the CC to be good.

[jolly sierra]

disintegrate, nullifing shroud, eternity wave or whatever is called, dreamwalk

[noble venture]

For sure yeah, but I'm getting the impression the other specs have CC and decent dam

It is what it is, it's probably viable but damn the effort is not paying off lol

Though it's possible this is just a shuffle exclusive experience

I'm like 9 points away from 2100 shuffle outlaw, but I know 2400 isn't going to happen with this spec right now

Of course a good outlaw could make it work, but I only picked it up last season lol

[stoic spruce]

Yeah pm

Outlaw is a preference thing usually

Especially now

[stoic spruce]

I ran few 3s on my rogue since the nerf

It's better in coordination but atp just play something else

No kill pressure

[noble venture]

It's a lot of fun in RMP for sure

But I'm basically just hoping the mage can carry me

[stoic spruce]

Oh right

Rogue discord

I forgot people like rmp here lol

[noble venture]

I love rmp

It give me dopamine

I can pretend it's still Shadowlands

[stoic spruce]

I'm an rmp hater

Certified too

[noble venture]

lol

I get it, it's hit or miss

Impossible to LFG properly unless you're lucky

I just really like setup, and now after Dragonflight CC nerfs this is the only way for me

Maybe this is my cue to return to sub

[glad spire]

How much dps should I be doing as assa rogue with these properties. Currently only hitting around 1.2 mil on single target and 2.5 mil on cleave targets. Shout it be more?

[last jasper]

During arena or dummy? Cuz not all PvP modifiers are working properly on dummies

[glad spire]

Its on dummies yea

[noble venture]

You could find an assa streamer, or some clips of high rated play

If they have details on it should be insightful

[hybrid palm]

Is it worth dropping deeper daggers for flagellation with deathstalker tree ?

[dark kernel]

Yeah you can it's just a matter of opinion

[languid ravine]

2.4 in shuffle: top 50 I guess
2.4 in blitz: green gear people with 5 games unable to play their rotation

[jolly sierra]

ye, i got into a 2k3 blitz w my alt ret

its really a low quality show the one in blitz matches xd

[languid ravine]

last round my entire team didnt engage for a grand total of 30 seconds, except for one evoker who decided to 1v3 on the other side of the map

then after we finally won the zerg they forgot about both carts and crystal somehow

[jolly sierra]

god dammit

in a kotmogu

guys at "high CR"

never picked the orbs

and just cared for killing

xd

same in a mines

guys didn't splitted healers

so we lose all the carts later

[vague summit]

What a crazy end

mage 2v2

[wanton breach]

can't believe they lost like that

[jolly sierra]

holy shit, found whitemane in dornogal

||Melenablanca is her surname in spanish||

[stoic spruce]

Lightforged undead when?

[languid ravine]

in World Soul Saga Part 4 second half patch 15.3.5

[jolly sierra]

undead humans looking like humans when

(dont tell me dk)

[stoic spruce]

That's lightforged

[jolly sierra]

calia is fugly, looks like an embalmed corpse

i talk about the ones which looked like the legion nathanos

[stoic spruce]

Calia is hot

Fu

[jolly sierra]

nah, whitemane looks hotter

i was thinking in this human skin for playable chars

[stoic spruce]

So what you're saying is

You want a skin of a person who sided with the horde, for the alliance?

[jolly sierra]

the opposite

but for game mechanics

maybe they will give it for the alliance

like they did w darkfallen NEs

[stoic spruce]

Nathanos was horde and you play alliance

Or rather you said you wanted it for humans

So NO

RAHHHHH

I NEED MY LIGHTFORGED MAMACITA

[jolly sierra]

i would love to have the fkn skin for horde

but blizz would say "nuh uh undeads already have a skin like fucking mummies"

i am sure

[jolly sierra]

HOLA MAMITA RICA

[noble venture]

Why is it that RMP sometimes starts the game on an enemy Holy Pal?

It seems to be a consistent play for the likes of Whaazz and Nahj, etc

Is it simply to get through their buttons so they don't get shutdown by the swiss army knife that is Hpal?

[torpid coyote]

Does Dismantle also stop Hunters from shooting their bows?

Wording of the spells makes me think yes but I can't really tell

[stoic spruce]

Hpal is generally a good target and doesn't counter magic that well

Kick hpal, win the game

[potent pivot]

for some stuff

its good to use vs mm hunters, not really vs the others

it stops a few surv spells too but is kinda w/e

[noble venture]

I see I see

[upbeat bear]

Is outlaw dmg bad or is it just me?

[stoic spruce]

It's bad rn

[potent pivot]

the damage isn't good but i wouldn't say its terrible

[stoic spruce]

Just say yes

[potent pivot]

you don't really play outlaw to be top dps

[stoic spruce]

Outlaws damage relative to how it usually is is low rn

You know what I blame?

[noble venture]

Damage decides games most cases

[stoic spruce]

Me with the game winning Kick

[potent pivot]

Yeah but not really damp/overall damage

The meta is very playmaker kills and random 60 to 0s rn