pvp

[potent pivot]

trickster and deathstalker went from everyone playing deathstalker in s1, to a 50/50 split for s2

now its right back to everyone playing deathstalker

it just is what it is

[dark kernel]

Trickster sub pigeonholed to tea

Feels ass

[last jasper]

Weirdly misspelled feral

[potent pivot]

i think trickster has value into full melee lobbies where everyone's stacking

but you may break cc with flurry n shit

basically its an "okay" melee lobby spec in shuffle, but its just meh

[last jasper]

Yea it can be stupidly good. When nimble tick for 1.5-2mil out of nowhere

I had a few lobbies with double kill cuz of it. But that’s not sub.

It’s like fury for smokers

[hybrid palm]

If I sit on my current rating of 1976, will I get duelist in few weeks through inflation?

[potent pivot]

no

your rating doesn't just inflate magically

gotta play games to push it up

[hybrid palm]

As in I'll play after few weeks then it will jump through one lobby ?

Dafuq

[last jasper]

Bruh, wtf is this shit? @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

!ban @zenith hollow

[stoic lava]

wtf did I just see LOL

[last jasper]

You mmr will be inflated, but rating remains the same. If u manage to to 3/3 or win a few games then your rating will catch up with mmr. But yes, you need to play games anyway

[potent pivot]

that was batshit crazy idfk

[last jasper]

Thx. Jesus

[jolly sierra]

lost my streak

now i am 8-1

[river pollen]

sup homies, for those who already tried hows the 4pc looking compared to 2 for sub rogues?

[potent pivot]

sub is mainly staying 2pc

[river pollen]

ohh tyy gonna start socketing head piece then cus i didnt wanna risk losing the socket after upgrading it haha

[jolly sierra]

read badly, were 10 before the loss

now i got the 11th win

[hybrid palm]

How come everyone who lists groups in group finder arena is a gladiator:O

What groups to plebs like me join

[severe helm]

Lol what'd I miss

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cannot-unsee-exploding-eyes-eyes-soap-gif-11920136

why not just say someone posted weird unhinged shit

[hybrid palm]

He asked what he missed:O

[outer sky]

DKs can grip you through smoke bomb in case anyone was wondering

[jolly sierra]

this is a dawnlight dot pre buff in a consistent SS round

imagine a 40%+ w that

and below that is sun's avatar

don't expect mercy from rets next week

[potent pivot]

ye its like a ~5% buff or somethin

funny because they don't even look at that hero tree in pve

[jolly sierra]

how is a 5% buff if they buffed their strongest dmg sources?

xd

[potent pivot]

different people have different damage breakdowns

but if it were some huge buff the pve rets would've at least given it the time of day

[jolly sierra]

those changes aren't live yet tho

wait and see

but clearly is more than 5%

[potent pivot]

i know

i don't think its that huge

[jolly sierra]

dude

i play ret and i watched rets

that is their biggest dmg sources

alongside veredict

its like hunters getting rapid fire and aimed shot buffed

[wheat flint]

Any1 have import for Sub pvp talents? Drunk and couldn't find link on murlokio

[potent pivot]

thats cool

you aren't the only one :d

[potent pivot]

you have to click on specific players to copy their builds on murlok

[wheat flint]

Word word, thanks!

@potent pivot Love you

[dark kernel]

getting all the gear sockets

actually takes for fucking ever

I didnt even bother with this shit season 1 but holy shit. 9 sockets

[potent pivot]

I’m not even gonna bother unless they drop in price tbh

I had a few chats fully socketed s1

But shit was way cheaper

[dark kernel]

i normally dont purchas ebloodstones but I am this go around because I just cant play enough

shit is madness.

[potent pivot]

They really should’ve just

Let us keep our s1 sockets on our crafted gear

Knew I should’ve recrafted every character day 1 when the sockets were staying

[dark kernel]

for real brother

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Z-Ug6cMsw

infinite bubble prot pal

[stiff cedar]

saw that lmao

[stoic spruce]

no

please

not more prot pal cheese

[potent pivot]

Prot pal pvpers eating cheese would apply that they are human beings

[stoic spruce]

theyre rats

[potent pivot]

Actually

[stoic spruce]

RATS

[potent pivot]

Wait

YES

True

I was about to say it

[stoic spruce]

great minds think alike

[grave basin]

Everytime I see prot pal

I think of drainer

1v9

Very entertaining if you aren't on his team

[exotic dove]

Yeah I really only do Trickster now in shuffle depending on the lobby. I find it fun but Deathstalker I think is for 3s all the time and blitz just depends how I feel tbh but been more Deathstalker over Trick in blitz now too

I did like it a lot earlier

but it was a placebo thing does have its place though

small place

[outer sky]

@potent pivot what sub build are we playing?

theres 2 in the pins

[grave basin]

nice game blizzard

[languid ravine]

I had the exact same deathlog a few days ago xd

[grave basin]

makes me want to just spam q my ww monk

setup specs are a meme

just do dam

[gusty hedge]

glad to see some augmentation buffs Been on Aug/Sv hunter

[last jasper]

Same. Cuz I know it won’t make any difference for me. Except maybe a precog if you are not playing mage

[grave basin]

None of my toons have full gems

Full gems are what 1%? Secondary

[grave basin]

Ye precog or 1 gem to get focusing lense

[last jasper]

Not sure about lens either. On some specs I just go double vers as a precaution

Precog on the other side can be op. Cuz even if u faked the cast you still can be fucked for the next 3 globals with micro cc and forced to run with 0 casts

[grave basin]

Lens is just nice extra pad dam

Precog means you can't get cced

Isn't that the whole point

Or is it just immune to kicks?

[last jasper]

I mean when playing mage I feel okay without a precog.

[grave basin]

[last jasper]

But as a lock. It can be really frustrating in some lobbies

[grave basin]

Well yea mages have 3x schools

Unless you're arcane

But you still have 2

[last jasper]

Not only. Also 27 blinks and knockback

And db, stun, 2 sheep’s

[grave basin]

You can still get ranged kick

[last jasper]

Yes. My main concern is not being kicked or not. But to cast something

[grave basin]

That's why you're always spell queuing

Cast ffb but hold down poly

[last jasper]

I was talking about lock. My mage don’t have precog and I’m okay with that

[grave basin]

My gripe with mage is that it's shuffle lobbies tend to be very feast or famine

[last jasper]

While as a lock its the other story and you can’t play normal without it

[grave basin]

You either get war war Ret and you clown them all game

Or shit like sp/rsham/mm

And you lose in the starting room

[last jasper]

I usually end up in war war ret as lock. And sp/mm/mm as mage lol

It’s only when I play dh I just don’t give a shit at all 😂

Cuz there are not so many rogues to make my life miserable

[languid ravine]

yall missing out on Frost DK, its the highest Dumb to Fun ratio you can have

and its very dumb

[last jasper]

I have fdk since the start of the season

I just fcked up a bit and went for 4set like at week 2 or 3. endup with like 21vers or so. lol

[languid ravine]

vers overrated

[last jasper]

yea, I notice 😄

[fierce cosmos]

any addon for pvp nameplates

[languid ravine]

betterblizzplates #1 imo

got a few presets and a huge array of customization options

[grand sentinel]

Why there are so many rogue in Blitzbg who just stay afk and dont Participate now? Started Playing again and after 10 Games i hab 4 of them-.-

Zpc-Ravencrest last game, a player with 2,2k Enachnt from MoP just went afk

[fluid mica]

Bcuz they can just que to rated games... which is a joke

I think i will let go my rogue and focus on my shaman. I feel useless and weak in rbg and arenas... seriously bored

[languid ravine]

nothing feels better than going 1-5 in a lobby thats 400 rating below your main because every. single. round. your teammate harambes into their brain

complete waste of my time the quality of 2k rated players has dropped disgustingly low

[spring bough]

what class to dust off for the day

[jolly sierra]

play a feral druid

[spring bough]

I’ve got one setup I just feel weird playing it

Like do I really gotta pop outta feral to cast clones cause I aent tryna be all that

[languid ravine]

pick a dumb class like fury or windwalker

sunday people are total boomers with 2 sec reaction time and no decisionmaking process

I ve had better strats beating Age of Empires 2 twenty years ago

[spring bough]

i gotta level my WW to 80 but hes got the most troll name "Fistinglover" lmao

[languid ravine]

that name actually has a double meaning, its very deep :^)

[jolly sierra]

can u believe i didnt lose the next matches w the rog in blitz and just was that one the cursed?

fkn kotmogu imagine at 2k2 having no idea how to pick an orb and telling a rog to do that REEEEEEEEEE

[languid ravine]

I swear everytime in that map on my rogue I m playing my ass off for a stalemate

and the very second I pick Orb we lose

every time

dont do it

[jolly sierra]

https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Sanguino/Meimei

here my stats if u wanna track the blitz ones

[jolly sierra]

they starting to flame me just cuz i didnt picked them

well, its not my fault they doesnt

i waste stealth doing that

[hybrid palm]

How does everyone in solo shuffle at 2k rating have current season glad mount

[potent pivot]

alts

[last jasper]

Id say that's a proper name. Double meaning like said before 😄 love it

[spring bough]

i made it cause i like to play fist weaver XD

[last jasper]

nice try tho

[spring bough]

yeah who am i kidding i never played fist weaver once before i named that monk LMAO

[languid ravine]

yep and both are sexual

[last jasper]

I am surprised no one has reported it yet. I knew a guy who was forced to rename like five times during BFA because of names like this.

[grave basin]

ww or dh

[spring bough]

i play the character like every other month lol. im sure if i played shuffle n talked smacked the name would be gone in less than a week

[grave basin]

ww or dh or fury

[spring bough]

i gave up everything so far today back to the DH lol

[last jasper]

Btw he was playing monk back then too 😂

[grave basin]

the older i get the less tolerance i have for techtician specs

i wanna come home from work

and zug

fuck using my brain

[spring bough]

DH i just smash 1-3 and mouse button. hit R for an imprison. X or Shift X for the stuns and that is it

[potent pivot]

real

[spring bough]

its too eazy having less than 10 buttons to worry about

[potent pivot]

my mage got renamed =/

[spring bough]

what was the name lmao

[potent pivot]

Cumbussin

[grave basin]

people who report names

[last jasper]

Bruh 😂😂

[grave basin]

are so soft

unless it's blatantly racists as fuq

[spring bough]

LMAO yeah u def killed some1 in pvp that got pissed asf and they just started reporting lmao

[potent pivot]

i had that name for years

until TWW

but rarely ever played it

and it still let me get the name back

[last jasper]

Okay. I need a mage with the name “cumbustion” now 😂

[potent pivot]

just renamed the 80 mage

[last jasper]

Just need to wait for fire mage buffs

[grave basin]

any1 on NA give no shits about 2s help me win 2 games

for the weekly

[potent pivot]

gotta try DMs :/

they made 'lfg' and 'trade chat' stuff against the rules of the server

[spring bough]

my DH name is Demonhunterd surprised that hasnt been flagged yet too lol

[potent pivot]

i see a lot of "hunt***" names in game

[spring bough]

mines number 2 related tho XD

[potent pivot]

thats not that bad tbh

you see some pretty wild stuff

some people get by forever with funny names

[spring bough]

yeah think my rogues retired for the season after what i just did to this feral

1.23m dps lol

[potent pivot]

i don't even feel like pushing on rogue this season ngl

and i pushed feral last season so cba

going to gear my ww and see if i like it

[jaunty osprey]

u just hate wow

smh

[potent pivot]

true !

nah i've been loving dh

awkwardly enough

[spring bough]

why are some resto druid gods when they play

and some resto druid sooo just uhhhhhhhhh

[potent pivot]

anyone know how rough the warglaive farm is?

[dark kernel]

I will die with rogue

[languid ravine]

1950 rating Arms warrior
fighting against two melees
500k dps
no Charge on healer
no Intervene
dies every round
and still my teammate manages to die to that

whats the point let me play against ChatGpt instead

[spring bough]

rated blitz easy with DH too? havent done any with it yet just solo

[spring bough]

i did it in like 2 BT runs then had to wait for TBC timewalk to finish it on the DH

think i had to wait like 5 weeks for the TBC timewalk

[potent pivot]

you got both glaives in 2 runs?

[languid ravine]

5% drop rate each Glaive, can both drop at the same time afaik

[spring bough]

yeah its not bad

[potent pivot]

ye ik the drop rate

[spring bough]

its the wait for th TBC timewalk that sucks

[potent pivot]

thats extremely unlikely

[spring bough]

thunderfury took me like 1 or 2 runs too lol

[languid ravine]

never even seen a shackle after 20+ kills

[potent pivot]

i've done black temple like 5 times or so now

i'm about to park my alt dh there now and do 1 more clear

[spring bough]

when is timewalk?

[potent pivot]

idk, months away i think

[spring bough]

you got time then XD

[jolly sierra]

for me took months wtf

ur fucking luck, worthy of envy

[dark kernel]

I never did any legendaries except the rogue daggers

And did it when dragon soul was still ass.

And that was eno7gh

[jolly sierra]

i have the thunderfury, the glaives, thori'dal, the daggers and most of the other legos u can get w another classes

[dark kernel]

I think the coolest mog I got is from WoW remix

[potent pivot]

i got like halfway through the leggo daggers

[jolly sierra]

i have most of them but the sylv bow

[potent pivot]

just haven't gone back

[dark kernel]

There was a leveling dagger that's the high warlord dagger from pvp, but you can use it on alliance.

[jolly sierra]

even the lego cloaks and wod ring

[dark kernel]

Probably the only way to get that

[potent pivot]

what is it?

[jolly sierra]

ahhhhhhh

one guy tried to roast me using them

i was using the high warlord xmog w them too

[dark kernel]

It's fun to use the grand marshall set and then hwl weapons

[jolly sierra]

i feel powerful af using them w that xmog

[dark kernel]

In og vanilla I got kicked from my rank 14 group for talking a little shit to a guy who bought his account who was ahead of me in line

Feels bad.

[jolly sierra]

what

[dark kernel]

I would have had the mogs sooner

LMao

[potent pivot]

which dagger

[jolly sierra]

damn, i got them barely w blitz

my fkn RBG guild group kicked me because one of RL's friends wanted a sub rog instead an assa, so he pleased him and then later they were looking for a rog, some time after they found me a replacement

but i am fine going alone TBH

look at the record for this season kek

[languid ravine]

I think I ve had SIX 3-3 games today and most of them were 30 minute queues

very cool

[spring bough]

doing some survival pack leader on the pvp dummy and this thing does 3mil mongoose bites.... what

[potent pivot]

The other ability slaps doesn’t it

The channeled one

Or is that the one you’re talking about

[spring bough]

fury of the eagle does mills too

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ve seen some wild fote’s

[potent pivot]

Ahh

[spring bough]

2 casts 6.1mil lmao

and a 4mil mongoose there lmao

1mil plus bombs.... surprised more ppl arent playing this lol

[potent pivot]

because mm is better and bm is good

hunters always gravitate towards the best spec

prolly has a lot to do with the mage meta as well

[spring bough]

survival absolutely rips solo shuffle lmao

i feel like im an unnerfed outlaw

[spring bough]

think ima finally spend the time doing legion quests to get my druid class mount

[dark kernel]

Druids the other class I want to try then dh

[last jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUX95UEjGxY&ab_channel=JustEgoist

the type of warriors i'd like to see in my lobby 😄

sorry its washed out cuz of hdr in windows is a new technology lol

[glass hazel]

haha nice 2 charges wasted

but why he didnt leap?

or storm i dunno

😄

[last jasper]

I was expecting him. But got confused with the spear. It bugged and pulled me 2 sec later

Or that was a dk.

[candid tide]

No whaazz in grand finals?

[last jasper]

He got eliminated in Friday

[candid tide]

Rekt

[candid tide]

No chans

[last jasper]

rmp nerf

[candid tide]

Sadge

[dark kernel]

Fury warrior pick in finals is wild

Spear is like insanely strong though

Even ravager does a ton of damage

[potent pivot]

warr in general is really good rn

[last jasper]

why not? They would been picked earlier if not the mages

[potent pivot]

not the first fury warr we've seen this awc

[last jasper]

Echo lost with one

[sharp sierra]

omg he's beautiful

🥹

[potent pivot]

its so over

dh about to win this awc cup

yep

dh/ele/rdru just beat FMP

ggs

[lucid citrus]

that was an insane last game

[dark kernel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150205404270313595/1214198108268003348/image0.gif

This is a duelist demon hunter

[lime oar]

Is dh busted rn? (I don’t play anymore)

[potent pivot]

its not 'op' no

its just good

[jolly sierra]

dude

i hate hpals as ret alt

in shuffle

the dumbass used a bop against a mage and a hunt when i had spellwarden

he wasted the cd by being stolen and then his protected one died

[last jasper]

idk, didn't press glimpse a single time and why even press glaive outside of hero talent, lol?

[potent pivot]

snare

[jaunty osprey]

!fuu

[lethal roost]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[last jasper]

Whom? he snares everything around him with bladedance

[potent pivot]

ye ik

throw glaive is alright when you're out of range/want a snare etc

it does a lil dmg

better than our fucking shuriken toss/poisoned knife for damage i mean

[last jasper]

yes, if u sit in roots and can't do shit. But even then I would use purge. Longer range more useful

but he wasn't in a roots or something he was in fight. Still. No glimpse, no purge.

[potent pivot]

people be mashing whatever

[last jasper]

just mad he is a duelist lol 😄

and like not using half of his spells 😄

[dark kernel]

This is a gift from SL

[last jasper]

okay 😄

I was wondering why the hunt is blue

[dark kernel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025818597932666921/1215486209669988362/SmartSelect_20240307_210600_Twitch.gif

Same guy on sp

[last jasper]

Okay, why do u have an old gifs of someone smashing buttons? 😄

[dark kernel]

Because he's a guildy and it's hilarious

[last jasper]

I like how almost everyday someone in dh discord complaints about dh low damage 😂

[potent pivot]

That brainless comment about sub rogue

[dark kernel]

Insane that Prev had a fucking opener where he did 50M damage over 5 seconds

Ele sham going to be everywhere.

[severe helm]

sounds liek hes just bad lol

that level of dgaf for your rotation is wild

esp on spriest

[dark kernel]

He has been Duelist for 7 seasons

Not good not great, but not just shuffle Duelist either.

[plain blade]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_xMQt-HJC4M

Hey guys weve been hunting the epic bg premade leaders on Venruki's yooutube video. See how this one gets rekt.

[sharp sierra]

@radiant yacht wow!

[dark kernel]

I love this race

[sharp sierra]

yeah funny lookin

[dark kernel]

Just so fucking troll looking

[sharp sierra]

xD

[dark kernel]

Imagine losing to one of those in arena

[sharp sierra]

😦

[dark kernel]

I'm going to race change a rogue to that at the end of the season just for shits

[sharp sierra]

all the ones in solo shuffle back peddle

[dark kernel]

The erp race

UwU

[sharp sierra]

fun fact: I dont kill male pandas in wpvp

[jolly sierra]

weak

as a panda u should kill them regardless the sex, i kill all pandas from tushui

[last jasper]

Yeaaa. I noticed that too

[last jasper]

This sounds like the shuffle rating is somehow different

[sharp sierra]

not the male pandas doe

[jolly sierra]

they are priority

to kill

[sharp sierra]

No.

Male Pandas are off the table

[potent pivot]

trill is insane

brought it back and won the 2v3

[dark kernel]

That 2v3 was funny as shit

Flop going to be emo on Twitter

Fatebound outlaw feels like such shit in game, but every time I see Trills kill breakdown he has like 4 tails coin flips for like 3.5 mil damage in a 5 second window

[sharp sierra]

do you guys use renewal as resto?

[potent pivot]

we use shadowstep

[sharp sierra]

oh i thought i was talking in druid chat

[jolly sierra]

they moves funny when they dies, doing that slip

[runic laurel]

its actually my favorite pvp class discord, i read it every day cause otherwise ill get fomo about missing out on potentially the worst cook anyone has ever typed

[inner tartan]

it a lose lose going against vulpera u cant say yo guys i beat up a vulpera in a arena people like wow that you peak play now and saying u lost 2 a vulpera is basicly asking what class or game 2 reroll 2

[jolly sierra]

dying to a panda is infuriating for a lot of ppl tho

imagine someone w a ":3" in her face kills u

[jolly sierra]

have u heard a dark iron male dying in spanish? this is from game client

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

the 4th one, i thought was false, but went to kill NPCs in zuldazar and checked it, fkn silly

[inner tartan]

my old guild master hated pandas so i killed her on one alot

[jolly sierra]

happens a lot

i love to receive insults from ppl in outdoor

[exotic dove]

I messed up and played trickster in a lobby I didnt want too as sub but it ended up working out

Mage paid for his greed by not blocking

[open thunder]

@potent pivot

noob

[stoic spruce]

So toxic

[sharp sierra]

Female panda yeah but male panda I’m like “good. Fat guys gotta eat”

[sharp sierra]

Omg don’t tell @radiant yacht this!

[torn stump]

After watching AWC match, feel Rogue's pvp weak now.
[Preemptive Maneuver] need decreases dmg 20% & cost reduced 15%. (was 15% & 10%)
[Restless Blades] Effect in pvp need 90%. (was 80%)

[stoic spruce]

restless blades doesnt need to be nerfed at all

its like nerfing Frost DKs breath build by nerfing the CDR of the RP spent

ruining how its meant to be played yknow

[torn stump]

Of courcse rogue player think [Restless Blades] no need to nerf, but if Dev think need to nerf, I think just 90% fair.

[stoic spruce]

from a logistical pov its just nonsense

im not even arguing a reason to not be nerfed

but to be nerfed the right way

[torn stump]

AWC match all rogue team tragedy.

[hybrid palm]

Sub rogues should be immune to cc during dance n blades

[languid ravine]

guys I found the secret to getting praise and recognition

play any other class than Rogue I keep getting "wp" and "nice transmog"

never on my rogue though

[dark kernel]

That would be nuts.

[languid ravine]

That would be Celestial Conduit

[hybrid palm]

Same as warrior bladestorm

[dark kernel]

I would say. If they reworked thief's bargain to cut the duration of blades in half and add some form of weakness, maybe

[dark kernel]

You can pre disarm bladestorm

[hybrid palm]

You can pre disarm rogue I guess too 😄

[languid ravine]

You can pre disarm mages

[dark kernel]

Disarm casters OP

They lose int on weapon

It's 5head 160iq

If you disarm WW monk fists of fury doesn't parry btw

[lime oar]

I don’t think I ever got a compliment on my rogue even when I played perfectly

[glad spire]

Come on then, who wants to teach me a bit of assa rogue. I am new to the class and getting owned in pvp. Any good links for basic rotations. Hitting around 1m on dummies atm and have all basic honor gear with 3 upgrades

[dark kernel]

What content are you doing? Is this arena or blitz.

[glad spire]

Bit of everything, not trying to get into high arena. Just enough to earn some conquest. Mainly Solo shuffle, RBG and arena.

[dark kernel]

If you run the popular build with AOE shiv the build is pretty simple.

Start the game trying to go for a sap on healer and garrote both DPS, or if you can't even get sap get everyone garroted, get some rupture up and crimson tempest if they're grouped

Use shiv and kidney the kill target when it's up. Use the double bleed burst cooldown when you smoke bomb tha target too

Try not to just spam spells. Your bleeds tick harder when you have over 150 energy

[glad spire]

Is the AOE shiv good for single target focus? I just copied these talents, not sure if there good or not. If you have a link to this rotation and talents please share. https://murlok.io/character/eu/argent-dawn/céz/pvp#stat-priority

[dark kernel]

That's the AOE shiv and yeah it's good

Its straight forward and the point is that when you get multiple targets with big garrote and you shiv it cleaves so everyone takes big damage

[glad spire]

"Use the double bleed burst cooldown when you smoke bomb tha target too" what is this?

[dark kernel]

I am brain farting the name.

Deathmark

So like when you're ready to do big damage

[glad spire]

Ahh thank you

[dark kernel]

You want to make sure your rupture is fresh. You just got a vanish empowered garrote on the kill target

You build combo points, then shiv, kidney, bomb, deathmark

You will either chunk them, or force people to use lots of xooldowns

[glad spire]

Cool so deathmark vanish smokebomb garrote, rupture, build combo kidney repeat and envenom finish?

[dark kernel]

Pretty much. Its better to have the bleeds up before kidneg, and always kidney then bomb

Its usually better to deathmark while they are stunned to because they're going to get airhorns telling them to use a defensive the moment you deathmark them and they aren't stunned

[glad spire]

So this is defo a much better AOE build over single target is that right? And there is some single target builds?

[dark kernel]

It's more or less a safe build that's good to use in any situation

There's ways to do big envenom damage, but the build is pretty similar

[glad spire]

What finisher should you focus on using in this aoe build? Crimson over envenom yea?

[dark kernel]

Noo, when you're bursting you make sure your bleeds are rolling, but yes you focus on envenoms

Like after you have the target bleeding and in kidney, you're mutilating and envenoming.

It's just not like....something you do all the time, just when you don't need to dot anything.

[glad spire]

Perfect, just tested this on the dummies and I have doubled my damage already to 2.5mill so I was defo doing it wrong

[dark kernel]

There's a talent that makes your bleeds hit 20% harder if you have over 50% energy too, so it kind of incentivized you to not just slam stuff.

[exotic dove]

For those that play both Assa and Sub like me did you go 4 set for Assa sake or did you stay 2 set for both?

I play both of the specs pretty much an equal amount and I believe I am staying just 2 set but wanted to hear what others have done in my boat

[languid ravine]

Resto Druid Round 3: "that Hunter dog"
Resto Druid Round 6: 0-6

[jolly sierra]

XD

[dark kernel]

I've had so many 6-0 healer games this week

Yesterday in my 1850 MMR game, it was a six-time priest gladiator versus a rival Max resto druid

And I almost managed to get the druid on the board in two games

[quasi thicket]

Guys, as an outlaw should i use for example axe in main hand and dagger off hand? (my offhand dagger has better ilvl than my other axe) or should i use both axes?

[severe helm]

doesnt matter

its like a 0.1% dps change to use a dagger in offhand

[languid ravine]

my last 12 lobbies were 3-3

:^)

always one guy complete poop and one guy managing to lose to that somehow

[jolly sierra]

heh

always happens

a guy in a match just dies insta without time to react

and fucks up the match

XD

[quasi thicket]

So, i should chose the higher ilvl?

[severe helm]

Yes

[quasi thicket]

Thank you very much!

[potent pivot]

they updated the demo changes. nice

[languid ravine]

yo dawg I heard you like updates so we updates the updates so you can updates updates updates

[dark kernel]

Those buffs would have been insane.

[languid ravine]

still worrysome that the buffs were busted enough for blizz devs to notice because you know

[potent pivot]

they'll add some (not in pvp)'s to the ret changes too dw

my sources say ret is copium

[languid ravine]

its a shame because Ret is the most fun spec against everything other than double caster

[ionic surge]

hey guys
i'm new to game and i was dueling my friend who's a ret pala. when he uses immunity i cloak+vanish but he can still see me and my invis will go off in a few sec. what's the problem?

[languid ravine]

most likely you still take damage from something

[ionic surge]

what could that be and how should i prevent it? can it be because i'm still in range of him?

[dark kernel]

Paladins actually have an ability that gives them true sight. It's VERY situational though so yeah works great for duels

I don't even know what it's called

[languid ravine]

oh yeah you can have truesight during divine shield I think its a pvp talent

[spring bough]

Here’s a question not wow related for some of you techs. If I wanted to get an alert every time an update was posted to a website. Is that possible? lol

I think I found Kanye west meme coin and this dude updating the website like once every 20 seconds tryna get all the updates 😂

[digital tinsel]

Hello, I am new in pvp, for my first time I tried to just try pvp and its hella fun, first steps were like "well what can I do?" cuz constantly getting cced, disarmed etc... 😄 its kinda it is what it is. Currently Im trying to get in to 1800 rating for tmog and maybe until season ends to get 1950 for weapon effect, which is kinda nice.

But I feel my keybinds are scuffed, because they work well in pve (mythic raiding etc...) but unfornately in pvp takes me forever to just remember keybind, also doing my damage while moving is sometimes clunky and mostly I just mispress, sometimes hiting shift+2 for disarm xD its kinda annpoying so I rather just click it. Is here somebody who can suggest me some better binds for it, because i am a lost.

Playing with 2 side button mouse and I dont want buy 12 buttons 😄 its kinda expensive. And nop I dont want switch spec, because I just love how sub rogue works, sometimes i am lucky and just 100-0 somebody in arena 😄 which feels nice, Also I learned play it in pve.

Thank you 🙂

[jolly sierra]

ohhh another female panda rogue, welcome, i don't play sub, but tbh, as a person which reached 2k3 as pandaren can tell u you don't need a complex mouse to win, which bracket are you playing? solo shuffle?

[digital tinsel]

Yep only solo shuffle, cuz I rly dont wanna ruin others in 2v2 😄 and 3v3

[jolly sierra]

i see, well, wait for the guys, they can advice you and show you their talents and builds

[digital tinsel]

Im just looking for tips how to optimize binds for better accessibility, to get better control with character. Also I would appreciate some tips from experienced sub rogues.

[languid ravine]

If you guys wonder how dead shuffle is:
I got the same 4 dps in the lobby twice in a row

and all 4 of us became worse players the second time

[jolly sierra]

personally my keybinds are like this, i don't move with WASD by myself

[severe helm]

So what do you move with

[jolly sierra]

mouse or arrows

[severe helm]

Like you take your hand off your mouse to use arrow keys?

[digital tinsel]

Oh kinda confusing 😄 Holy how to hit O or U 😄

[severe helm]

How do you strafe?

[jolly sierra]

with the arrows

XD

[severe helm]

So you can't strafe and use your mouse at the same time

[jolly sierra]

i can

[severe helm]

You put your left hand on your arrow keys?

[jolly sierra]

yes

[severe helm]

Then how do you press key binds lolol

While doing that

[jolly sierra]

i press them quickly

[severe helm]

LOOOOOOOL

[jolly sierra]

my fingers are fast enough

[digital tinsel]

This is insane, holy. 😄 propably I would never do this because idk Im just fixed to move with WSAD

[jolly sierra]

ye, i played 15 years doing that

[severe helm]

So you're constantly moving your hand back and forth

[jolly sierra]

yep

[severe helm]

From buttons to arrow keys

[jolly sierra]

basically

[severe helm]

Why not just bind wasd.....

That's insane

[jolly sierra]

cuz they are to hit

kek

[runic laurel]

If you’re running towards someone and they’re running away from you how do you do dmg while moving?

[severe helm]

He doesn't

[jolly sierra]

i use the mouse

to turn to that direction

[severe helm]

Hahahahahahahaa

[jolly sierra]

and keep hitting

[severe helm]

This is the wackiest thing I've heard in a while

[jolly sierra]

believe it

worked for me

[runic laurel]

You’re applying a 100% slow to yourself for a fraction of a second every time you push a dmg button no way you think that’s good

[jolly sierra]

idk, i have good performance

[runic laurel]

You’d get outranged by someone holding down their S key

[languid ravine]

I also use Mouse Left and Rightclick to move forward but only sometimes when my left hand is busy

arrow keys is very whack though gotta say but if it works

[jolly sierra]

not really

i have not issues chasing ppl

and guys here have watched my replays

[dark kernel]

Brother the fuck

[severe helm]

youd have better if you bound wasd lol

[jolly sierra]

im not used tbh

thank you

[digital tinsel]

Allways I see good pvpers with weird binds, like wtf 😄

[dark kernel]

I just use 1-5, shift 1-5, alt, ctrl

[digital tinsel]

Even on YT I just looked and see for example whole ctrl+F1 keys and I am like how the fk he even press it

[severe helm]

theres a difference between "is it playable" vs "is it optimal"

everything is playable

[dark kernel]

Then e, c, x , z , b, s etc

[severe helm]

but somet hings are definitely NOT optimal

[dark kernel]

And shift and Ctrl and alt nodifiers

[jolly sierra]

wait, gotta show u a vid

[runic laurel]

That’s not true, demon hunter isn’t playable if you asked the ppl in that discord

[jolly sierra]

here is a quick skirmish

wait for upload

[digital tinsel]

These keys like without mods? For example press ctrl+5 it stretch of my hand, key 5 is kinda far away so I just tried use it for feint

[severe helm]

LOL so you jsut dont strafe

like ever

[jolly sierra]

sometimes i do

[severe helm]

you just hold mouse buttons and turn with mouse

[jolly sierra]

yeah mostly

[severe helm]

like 95% of the time

[jolly sierra]

but as i said, it works for me

[severe helm]

that crosshair addon always cracked me up haha

[runic laurel]

What happens if you’re chasing or kiting someone in circles around a pillar

[jolly sierra]

i move the mouse towards them

like a car

[runic laurel]

How many laps around a pillar until you run out of desk space

[jolly sierra]

enough to don't move from my deathwing mousepad

[lost axle]

A demoralizing experience

Fuck... my cat tore up my deathwing

And a flood seeped into my mop collectors box

[jolly sierra]

he is a raider

[lost axle]

He was cutting edge

[last jasper]

How the fuck do you upload 1min games in discord?

Also, kinda funny ppl tell what keybinds is better for u lol

[jolly sierra]

discord nitro

[woeful osprey]

Anyone got some tips on how to finish people off as assa? Seems i can’t execute enough dps after the kidney deathmark

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-fancy-nickelodeon-gif-8789131

[jolly sierra]

dots up, shiv kidney and just keep envenoming

[woeful osprey]

Worked 3 days to get 1900 and just 6 rounds -74 rating feel so sad

[last jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanksgiving-gif-19239058

[jolly sierra]

yeah baby, money

[hybrid palm]

Worth dropping dark brew against dk for physical profile on rupture?

[lost axle]

Is deathmark removed by stoneform?

[jolly sierra]

ye

[lost axle]

That's actually brutal jesus

[noble venture]

You rot them down and play for a longer match

If they drop low you can look to smokebomb it, but there are factors to consider like if they have trinket, etc

Your best "burst" on Assa outside of deathmark is a darkest night envenom

Stack that with shiv

Unless they nerfed it, should hit for around 2.5mil ish (If not more)

Make sure to apply deathstalkers mark in your subterfuge window, it's quite important

Unless you're fatebound, then ignore all of this lol

[woeful osprey]

Thanks for the tips i try to do those things most of the time. I might need to use weakaura’s or tracker then. Do tou have any good ones?

[potent pivot]

never heard anything so scuffed

[potent pivot]

nah. brew increases a good amount of your damage

[sharp sierra]

What’s the trick to getting more bloody tokens outside the weekly

[potent pivot]

check for the wpvp world quests that reward 500

all world quests give 100 if you're in war mode

then there's also war supply crates

[severe helm]

Lololol yeah Im still in shock

[languid ravine]

Ret Paladins at 2.1 rating:
HoJ healer, he doesnt trinket, your Arms warrior is already next to him in the opener, said Arms warrior is popping off on the healer dropping him down to 20%, and the same Arms warrior commits Fear and after 8 seconds YOU STILL dont swap to the 20% life healer

how can you be SO oblivious

do Ret Paladins play without health bars? that would explain a lot to be honesdt

[jolly sierra]

they are rets

main rets are probably the most selfish and oblivious ppl alongside hunter and warr mains

@nova viper SEXOOOOOOOOOOO

[hybrid palm]

In lobbies against assa rogue they can effectively veiled cloak against dark brew rupture:D, feels like a meme

[potent pivot]

your rupture isn't that important

just reapply outside of CDs

[hybrid palm]

Hmm ok

[sharp sierra]

is undermine better than reg khaz algar/

[potent pivot]

nah

[sharp sierra]

gotcha

do only certain zones have the war chests

[potent pivot]

they spawn in every zone

but the timers can be very random if you're solo farming

because they spawn in 1 zone at a time basically, and everytime you swap zones alone you may change shards

[sharp sierra]

shards?

[potent pivot]

the way the game splits up players

the game isn't split based on servers anymore, its split based on shards

when you join someones group and it phases you over, you see some players despawn and new players spawn, thats you switching to the group leader's shard

[lost axle]

My favourite is being on a dead shard, so all the cinderbee farmers come over to my shard and they just die cause they never have pvp gear

[sharp sierra]

does the weekly cache from the world quest give bloody tokens too?

[sharp sierra]

the shards aren't server speific to the group leader then?

its just a random mix of different servers ?

[potent pivot]

i don't think so but not sure

and idk about the server specific thing

iirc every server has multiple shards, but you can be from 1 server and end up on any other server's shard

the only ones that are more specific are RP realms

[sharp sierra]

ah interesting

yeah phasing and world pvp has always been weird with that

why do none of isle of dorn or hallowfall WQs give bloody tokens?

[lost axle]

I think they are server specific still in some regards

I only really ever see Galakrond and Blackhand, and occassionally arygos and bleeding hollow, rarely do I see others

[potent pivot]

they should if you're in WM

[sharp sierra]

maybe a UI bug

hovering over the WQ doesnt say bloody tokes as a reward

[stoic spruce]

All of them give tokens

Or am I thinking of sparks?

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure they all give tokens

And they all give sparks in the sparks zones

[jolly sierra]

u were quick

[exotic dove]

I approve of these take back changes it annoys me greatly fighting a Demo unless I play a BM Hunter or something which lol is another pet class

[pine kestrel]

Why do i feel so useless as Assa in RBG. Cant really play out my Stuns as everyone has already DR ... and dmg idk man i cant even kill a healer

[glass hazel]

it is impossible to kill healer 1 on 1 with any class imho

[nova viper]

@jolly sierra seeexooooo

Choche

[stoic lava]

I assume you mean bg blitzzzz? you're really there just to keep wound on everyone with fok and spread bleeds

send kidneys on healer when they're off dr and try to get some decent smokes

if its an off node map or w/e then ur just kinda doing rogue stuff

[stoic spruce]

what builds is assa using?

Outlaw unplayable

is this updated?

[potent pivot]

no

sec

[potent pivot]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYMjZmxMDAAAAAAYWMmtZAAAAAAollZmBzMYmZWGDmZMzMzMzYG222GzwgtZ2GbMmxs0YW2GmsNMsMA

[stoic spruce]

tyvm

[noble venture]

You could consider getting a WA tracker for Darkest Night, though a TellMeWhen is what I use

[stoic spruce]

Protesting rn

[gusty hedge]

ngl i thought about switching to sin/sub on alt rogues, but i just cant

i feeel that

played rogue yesterday for the first time n a week lol

feels fucked but can still pump. icdnt like running away to reset

im supposed to go toe to toe with thy enemy

Restless Blades are Resting these days

[novel karma]

Gotta jump into bg's

And see how bad restless is

But also pvp nowadays is pretty nice way yo earn gold

You buy those blood gems for 2.5k honor and sell them on ah

[stoic spruce]

Cdr on evasion is nonexistent

[novel karma]

sting like a bee it is

[stoic spruce]

The restless blade got tired

[woeful osprey]

That is one i track via my normal WA which i use for PVE, i just need some good arena weakaura's to tell me when someone used a trinket or such. sometimes i get tunnel and miss important events

[noble venture]

My advice is to not bloat your UI with weakauras for stuff like trinket

Rather than getting a weakaura I suggest practicing watching the gamestate

The only weakauras I might suggest getting are offensive CD trackers

Though omnibar can also do this

[quasi thicket]

Hey again guys! Quick question about Hero Talents for Rogue in PvP (mostly 1v1 and small skirmishes):
Between Trickster and Fatebound, which one actually gives better single-target burst?
I’ve tested both and Trickster feels stronger when it comes to bursting someone down quickly, but I want to make sure I’m using the best setup possible for single-target PvP pressure.
Anyone done any proper testing or has insights?

[dark kernel]

It is indeed trickster

There's not really any great insights. Fatebound can situationally out burst trickster but it's less reliable. The crit damage from trickster is big, as is the blade procs

[quasi thicket]

I see... 😮

[dark kernel]

With killing spree

With fatebound you just have to pray you get big coin flips on tails, there's no secret sauce to it

[quasi thicket]

I do a lot of BGs, would you reckon trickster would put me i na better spot then? I appreciate the answer!

[dark kernel]

If you are playing blitz specifically you are going to want fatebound 99% of the time

And that's because double grappling hook is invaluable

[quasi thicket]

Ah, it was just for random bgs though... :/

[quasi thicket]

That is true!! (you mean 4) XD

[dark kernel]

I mean you can play trickster just fine and have fun

[quasi thicket]

Yes, I feel like I did more dmg single target...Like killing players faster..

[dark kernel]

Fatebound is just the "competitive objective edge for battlegrounds" choice

Yeah then trickster is the way to go

My killing spree with trickster does like 600K more damage

[quasi thicket]

I just wanted to go aroudn and pick up targets (usual rogue stuff)

Do you reckon the above build is the optmial for my objectives?

So, fatebound would give me 4 grapplings and rng dmg? and trickster better single target dmg but 2 grapplings.

[dark kernel]

Yes

And yes your build looks good.

[quasi thicket]

Alright 👍
I happen to have full conquest gear (no crafted gear and no tier sets) just plain old full conquest. I’ve read the builds here in discord but I keep having doubts. Is the talent build I showed you, ok ? (As in I don’t have the 4 / 2 set tier)?

[gusty hedge]

embellishments

[quasi thicket]

Yes I can get some crafted pieces if i really need it. But was just looking for the most viable st burst down talent build. I already know its trickster 😃👍

[jolly sierra]

whats up polish supersoldier, is everything ok? long time we dont see u

[nova viper]

All good mate

whats up to you?

hotel boss

[jolly sierra]

i am signed for another contract

so i am resting until they gives me the call

nice to know about u dude

[nova viper]

Poggers

i mean chilling is always good

[jolly sierra]

ye, i am doing rated rn, i barely had time before

[stoic spruce]

Fatebound

Only do trickster into melee cleaves in arena

The single target is pretty even but trickster cleaves harder

[quasi thicket]

Hey Popo, thank you for your input. I find that I kill a lot in bgs using my killing spree ability. Will I still be able to use killing spree in random bgs as fatebound? Keep in mind that I do not have any tier piece, but I do have full conquest gear.

[stoic spruce]

Yes

The build stays the same

[quasi thicket]

The one I posted here. Correct? 👍

[stoic spruce]

That's it

[quasi thicket]

Wow, is that simple? What advantages would I get with tier? (I don’t think I have time to farm to be all honest)…

[stoic spruce]

We played that build long before pve

[stoic spruce]

Big synergy with Supercharger and Loaded Dice

[quasi thicket]

Precious insight from you indeed! I thought I was screwed and had to farm the tier set

Can I still be competitive with full conquest? Will my dmg be similar? (No tier, no crafted armor, just pure conquest gear)

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Conquest has everything you need to get what you need

[quasi thicket]

Wow. 😮 Why were people hating on me ingame?

[stoic spruce]

Though no tier is a little rough

I just caught that

[quasi thicket]

I understand

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw 4pc impacts gameplay, not just damage

[quasi thicket]

I see. 🥲

[stoic spruce]

If you already used your catalyst charges, you can use varnish on them to have them scale up in pvp

From the conquest vendor

[quasi thicket]

In all honesty I just want to come home from work and enjoy some random bgs…

[quasi thicket]

Yeh

[stoic spruce]

Oh then you can do whatever

[quasi thicket]

Pick people, killing spree, vanish, etc. (the usual rogue)

[stoic spruce]

Not rated solo bgs?

[quasi thicket]

So. To wrap things up. The build I posted but change to fatebound and keep killing spree?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[quasi thicket]

No. 👍

[stoic spruce]

But you get cool mog >.>

OoooOOOOOOooo mog

https://tenor.com/view/choopo-jingle-jangle-keys-pay-attention-gif-5329561005981139666

[quasi thicket]

That is also true Popo!

[stoic spruce]

Well if you don't want that's fine of course

[quasi thicket]

Ok. So, last question (maybe) why did I do more dmg (and thus killing blows) as trickster?

[stoic spruce]

I wouldn't play rated with outlaw anyway

More on demand damage

FB has an issue of being less reliable

[quasi thicket]

Rng, right?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[quasi thicket]

I see. But still you would recommend to me because I don’t have tiers set?

[stoic spruce]

Killing Spree + Crackshot is what gets you your kills

Yeah ofc

[quasi thicket]

Got it 🥲

[stoic spruce]

You don't have to play FB but 4 grapple hooks in a BG is insane

[quasi thicket]

Well, I guess that’s that. Full conquest gear (FB+KS)

[quasi thicket]

Yes, I also thought about that. I like to enter, kill and escape.

[stoic spruce]

If you have tier for pve, I'd just use the varnish on it as stated

Would probably save you some conquest as well

[quasi thicket]

Yes. I don’t think I will ever have time to farm the tier pieces 🙁

[stoic spruce]

It be that way sometimes

[stoic spruce]

Not because it's bad but out of protest

Idrk how the nerfs effected in a rated setting

So it might not have great output atm

[quasi thicket]

I see…It’s the only way I play rogue to be honest. It’s the spec I had most success with…

[stoic spruce]

I swapped to assa last night to farm conquest for outlaw pve and I melted people while in honor gear

Feels like cheating

But that's fine because I'm rogue

[quasi thicket]

Yes. I can’t say the same 😕

[stoic spruce]

Shame

I played a couple games as outlaw and I felt the nerfs after playing it for years

[quasi thicket]

Assa it’s the worst for me. I open and the. Get bursted down. I can’t do anything to escape (no grappling)

Sub was a bit better because of the burst. But still got focused and killed.

[dark kernel]

Assa is just melee affliction lock.

[stoic spruce]

No that's dk

[dark kernel]

Hit your dots in the right order and stun

[nova viper]

go go

rank 1

[quasi thicket]

As outlaw I survive way better and if I get focused, I just double quadruple grapple and reset easy

[nova viper]

waiting

[quasi thicket]

Alright Popo…Thank you very much for your help with this! I appreciate!

[stoic spruce]

Yeah outlaw gets great resets.

Outlaw pvp will always have a place in my heart

But I had to reroll for, as I said, protest.

[quasi thicket]

True. It’s the only way I can really enjoy this class.

[stoic spruce]

For sure

[quasi thicket]

I hope I will be find with full conquest gear unti the end of the expansion 🥲

Take care, must go now! Thank you very much!

[stoic spruce]

If you're just doing random bgs you'll be better than a lot of others that only play random

[quasi thicket]

One last thing. Regarding random. They can be tricky because I see a lot of overgeared people there steamrolling the team…

[stoic spruce]

Yeah there's a lot of cheese going on in random BGs so good gear won't help all the time

[quasi thicket]

That’s why I was super concerned regarding my gear

[stoic spruce]

Nah don't be

It'll help a ton though

You'll just have to experience yourself

[quasi thicket]

I just don’t have time on my day to run raids over and over

See you later! Thanks a lot!! 💪

[stoic spruce]

No

Problem

[indigo hill]

Does Focusing lens work with that sun reduce gem?

or should i take a stat gem first?

[jolly sierra]

ill try 2k4 tho

again

[last jasper]

Nope. With secondary stats gem

[dark kernel]

You need a stat gem

[solemn frigate]

Are we running 4 set as sub?

[dark kernel]

Nobody really

[solemn frigate]

That was my feeling as well

[dark kernel]

I think it could be pretty decent, but lots of people don't like risking the loss of stats

Less consistent

[languid ravine]

I ve leveled an extra Rogue all the way to 80 last season to focus on Outlaw

and to this day I never bothered to actually gear and play it lmao

even in PvE while its the most fun spec. its just the effort to payout ratio is insanely low

[dark kernel]

This is the biggest issue for the spec. Playing fury, arms, or any hunter spec it's much easier to maximize DPS from rotation even in pvp

[languid ravine]

Hunter gets a bad rep I believe they are secretly hard to play

[dark kernel]

Ehh damage maxing wise, survival can be

Hunter skill comes in the form of living more than doing damage

Use just enough to get away

[languid ravine]

you know whats easy damage maxing wise

Ret paladin

press ashwave every 30sec, 800k done

unless you are the Ret Paladin in my 2k rated lobby he managed only half of that

[jolly sierra]

ret will be even more awful after EU reset dude

they have both avatar of light and dawnlight buffed

[quaint cedar]

Yeah, I really wish blizz would remove the rogue damage tax from outlaw because the rotation is complicated to optimize for and yet we do less damage than 2 button specs. Feels unfair and not worth the effort

[jolly sierra]

dawnlight by 40% and avatar by 50%

i expect an S tier again

no joke

[languid ravine]

I would agree but theres still frostmages and warlocks wrecking it

[jolly sierra]

ret easily fucks casters

[quaint cedar]

Outlaw is practically the only reason why I still play this game because nothing else appeals to me as a long term main and yet I cannot ever recommend this spec to anyone because the effort to reward ratio is so bad.

[jolly sierra]

they are midrange and have spellwarden

[quaint cedar]

Ret will likely be S tier. Triple wizard lobbies in shuffle can be rough for them, but 1 wizard + melee doesn't seem to bother them much.

They already pumped crazy damage in all melee lobbies

[jolly sierra]

yep

i think their most disgusting feature rn from the most recent stuff

is eye for eye

baked into divine protection

[languid ravine]

anyone know when Conquest Cap will be removed? I completely bricked my Ret Paladins gear for Transmog

[jolly sierra]

not soon sadly

season started barely a month and half or so

[jaunty osprey]

2 weeks after .5 patch

So if patch is next week, may 6

[jaunty osprey]

Actually might be week 11, whenever that is

[dark kernel]

Bout 4 weeks from tomorrow

5 weeks technically. Tomorrow is start of week 7

If blizzards roadmap and current known details are right, were just about 1 year out from the next xpac already

[jolly sierra]

what does mean nightfall patch? a hint from next xp?

[severe helm]

Higher effort specs will prob never be balanced as better directly

They are indirectly balanced as better if you assume blizzard balances based on all percentile logs

Cuz they're balancing around the average player of a spec and an average outlaw to a good outlaw is arguably a larger DPS difference than other easier specs

[quaint cedar]

Even in AWC though, specs like outlaw do significantly less damage than the others in the same match. And those are the best players

I'm not expecting it to be perfect. But I do think blizz could do a much better job of it. The gap in damage between easy and hard specs shouldn't be as wide as it is now

[languid ravine]

-Queue Frostmage for one evening
-4 out 5 Lobbies an Ele Shaman

okay blizz

[dark kernel]

Welcome to alt fotm reroll hell

I know it's better for the game. But back in wotlk era it was so hard to level people just stuck with their class and got gud

[quaint cedar]

Yeah sometimes I miss when gearing was harder. The fotm rerolling makes it boring when everyone is playing the same thing

[jolly sierra]

i went monk and got 2 hunters and an ele in my first SS match

[pliant mauve]

Idk if I’m being a bitter loser but what are the odds of getting a lobby at 2100 where every single person got Glad last season (except me: I’m a perma duelist) and where both healers were R1 and one goes 0/6. Sus.

Nvm. Just realized it would pointless to go 0/6. dude was probably drunk.

[dark kernel]

I'm getting a LOT of healer diff lobbies

[crude mountain]

Noob question, can subs only use daggers in pvp? Or could i get away with a dagger mainhand and something offhand that could transmog into thunderfury?

[potent pivot]

daggers ye

there's a couple talents now that make shadow techniques very big compared to the old sub

[crude mountain]

Ok, so double daggers is the only way forward basically?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[crude mountain]

I see 2 guys on murlock using offhands as fist weapons, but im gonna guess thats for RP purposes

[potent pivot]

now that they added vers/mast daggers to the conq vendor there's no excuse these days

[crude mountain]

Thanks broski

[potent pivot]

they just don't know that its really bad to do it these days prolly

it used to be okay to run a slow offhand, back in Shadowlands days

that really changed in DF, but just started to catch on more in TWW and the information spread

[crude mountain]

I skipped df on my rogue, last time i played him was shadowlands

Appreciate the explanation

Tyvm

[potent pivot]

np

[jaunty crescent]

the wowhead guide says deathstalker for sub pvp but every rogue i see plays trickster, which is it?

[potent pivot]

no one is playing trickster really

also i don't think wowhead even has pvp guides anymore?

[jaunty crescent]

sry icy veins

[potent pivot]

use murlok.io to see builds and gear

but yes sub plays deathstalker atm

[jolly sierra]

dudes

i hate slicing winds from WW monk

it bugged up, i tried to relog in the shuffle match

and it kicked me off

i really, really, hate it

[potent pivot]

@last jasper i know we were talking about it the other day

[potent pivot]

it can be quite buggy sometimes yeah its annoying

[jolly sierra]

it made me drop the shuffle match

never had something like this tbh

[potent pivot]

did you /reload or log out

[jolly sierra]

logging out kicked me

reload doesn't works

[potent pivot]

damn

[jolly sierra]

just as a tip

NEVER log out into a shuffle, NEVER

even with a SSD it will kick you out

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-wait-write-that-down-take-notes-taking-notes-gif-4277470226610470583

[stoic spruce]

What's auto hotkey

What's a hotkey

[potent pivot]

you don't know what AHK is?

but basically they're saying any software that does inputs for you is tos

[dim minnow]

Been grinding assa in shuffle. Pushed to 1800 in 2s on it, is it worth swapping sub for 2s

[stoic spruce]

I just want it for fishing

I don't even want it fully automated

I just want to not have to click on the bobber

[dark kernel]

No lol

[spring bough]

unbound spoils chest giving free gem slot is so hot for my alt lol

[potent pivot]

If you can find em yeah they’re great

I haven’t seen a single one in s2

[spring bough]

just did pvp quest and it popped on isle

all 3 of us that were in a group got it

[gleaming pawn]

Bind your “Interact Key” and never have to click the bobber again

[sharp sierra]

jeez look at this guy:

[jolly sierra]

3 rets

KEK

look

[dark kernel]

I haven't seen a caster in 3s til today in over 2 weeks

Ended up being a 0-6 ele sham

Deserved tbh

[exotic dove]

So I guess LFG doesnt take my Rogue anymore the meta has changed I am now Shuffle and blitz only now

[last jasper]

So basically u can use turbo buttons how much u want 😂

[potent pivot]

they're saying its not allowed

the last paragraph says 'all software'

[last jasper]

May also be a subject to actions. Or may not. 😂

[languid ravine]

its weird they specifically ban AutoHotkeys instead of specifying what kind of inputs are legal, because for example I use AutoHotkeys exclusively to disable Alt-Tabbing which isnt really an input at all

then there is all kinds of Keyboards and Mouse with their own software too

[last jasper]

First of all, no one was talking about AHK. No one used it. The drama was about turbo buttons, so why they wrote about AHK in bold is unclear. As for the actual topic, they said Blizzard can punish for it. But obviously, they can’t. The guy played on stream, then in awc, and apparently now there will be even more of them (according to whazz)

[potent pivot]

everyone was talking about AHK

[last jasper]

yea, you know. ppl where calling it ahk.

[potent pivot]

everyone was using the term "AHK" just as a blanket way of describing what people were doing

yeye

[last jasper]

So they are too lazy to even dig into the problem. Just copy/paste the last statement from 2023

I beleive

[potent pivot]

i think if anyone uses keyboard software to perform multiple inputs from this point on, they will action them

[languid ravine]

yea man probably a case of "oh shit some streamer guys are upset, we better pretend officially to do anything about it"

[potent pivot]

because some of them were using the excuse of the old announcements being to 'inambiguous' as if they didn't include keyboard software, even though its very clearly writtin in the ToS that all software that performs inputs is against the rules

[last jasper]

Gl with that. I personally would love to see ppl start abusing it. Cuz this is fckin lazy

[potent pivot]

how is it lazy

what else can they do besides make an announcement to make things clear

[last jasper]

Did they make an announcement? Random msg in a tourney discord?

[potent pivot]

just ban the people that were doing it either way? or what would you have liked to see

[last jasper]

about stuff ppl wasn't even using in the first place?

[potent pivot]

the announcement clearly says all software

i do think it would be nice to get a more public announcement ofc

but this stuff has been in the ToS forever

[last jasper]

the announcement was clearly about AHK. third party was in "btw" section

[hybrid palm]

What's ahk n turbo button

[potent pivot]

auto hot key

turbo trigger is in some keyboard/mouse softwares

[potent pivot]

... its still in the announcement no

[hybrid palm]

Like what advantage do they give