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halcyon timber
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Nerf the fisher price specs not outlaw. Bm still smoking people behind pillars with no los

severe helm
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What's tragic is how little this benefits the actual playerbase since outlaw is one of the least popular specs

dark kernel
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its actually kind of poetic and just...well braindead that they fix the bug giving us massive CDR gains and decide to...you know go ahead and nerf our CDR as well

rapid wyvern
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is there a good youtuber to watch for sin solo shuffle

jolly sierra
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shadenox

quaint cedar
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no one plays outlaw on ladder except for the top R1 players

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I will never understood why Blizzard chooses to balance for the top handful of players instead of balancing for the entire playerbase

severe helm
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Aite so sim results from 20% reduced RB value assuming that also impacts cdr with true bearing up is 12.21% damage nerf

quaint cedar
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oh

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that's worse than I thought

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yeah that's probably unplayable then

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we're already probably like 10% lower damage than most specs

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now we'll be 22% lower

severe helm
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Adr uptime goes from 95.8% to 84.0%

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thats less than I expected

quaint cedar
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I can't imagine the 20% buff to pistol shot will compensate enough

severe helm
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But I think it will be more in pvp

quaint cedar
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and sinister buff is worthless

severe helm
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ss buff is non existent

dark kernel
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I know the answer...

quaint cedar
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yeah well in pvp we don't have full ADR uptime anyways because we get CCd a ton

severe helm
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buffing SS is like the dev making a blue post saying "I have no idea how outlaw works and im unqualified to make these changes"

severe helm
pearl dune
quaint cedar
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yeah as soon as I saw a 20% buff to sinister I knew the changes were clueless

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literally buffing auto attack damage would have been better

pearl dune
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meh

dark kernel
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it feels like for pvp they want to fixate us on something like KIR Fatebound

quaint cedar
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I had a roughly 2 minute 2s game that I played before logging off today. Since I saw the nerfs I checked my damage breakdown in details.
Sinister Strike was #15 on my list of damage sources
It did 1.1% of my damage at around 900k total.
A 20% buff to that is literally useless

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It's actually an insult

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I think it was actually my very last damage source except for wound poison

stoic spruce
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Def an HO/fatebound angle.

quaint cedar
stoic spruce
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Yeah

quaint cedar
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So KiR gets hurt more I think

stoic spruce
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Also kir doesn't pick up heavy hitter

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So it doesn't maximize on PS buff

quaint cedar
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That's true too

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Funny thing is that KiR was probably slightly better in pvp for a bit, but now that we have 4 set HO is better again

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And now KiR is getting even worse

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Not that it matters, pretty sure outlaw is fucked with either build after these nerfs

vocal surge
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time to get hypercarried by my healer

quaint cedar
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idk might be time to quit for me

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I don't want to go through another DF S2 (prebuff) or DF S4 (post nerf)

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being that weak made the game so miserable to play

severe helm
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probably unplayable

severe helm
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the kir fatebound build does run HH afaik

gleaming sentinel
outer sky
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this dragon Im playing with is in full greens and there were no pets to pad on here

broken rapids
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i'm having a hard time deciding what to spend my conquest points on

spring bough
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GG time to alt rest of season thankfully already got elite lmao

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Fuck blizz hating on rogues always

quaint cedar
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They really do hate us don't they

dark kernel
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My fucking shuffle queue was just 40 minutes and I had to drop it

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what the fuck man

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guess no games tonight

stoic spruce
stoic spruce
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It didn't do anything but I liked tab targeting to keep FW uptime

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Idk if that did anything but it was fun to do

quaint cedar
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I was sad when they took find weakness away

stoic spruce
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I get why they did it but still

quaint cedar
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Ruined 2v2 during the beginning of DF S3 for me until the armor nerfs happened

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Every game was warr hpal or dk hpal and you would just auto lose because you did like half damage against them

vocal surge
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wanna know what an AI would do for Outlaw?

stoic spruce
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Chatgpt reskins legion legendaries

halcyon timber
vocal surge
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Between the Eyes:
Damage increased by 15%, making this ability more impactful in single-target and AoE situations.

The critical strike chance against enemies affected by Sap or Stunned has been increased by 10%.

Adrenaline Rush:
Cooldown reduced to 2 minutes (down from 3 minutes) to provide more frequent burst opportunities in extended fights.

Pistol Shot:
Damage increased by 10% across all levels of play, improving the overall output of the Outlaw Rogue’s ranged abilities.

Blade Flurry:
Blade Flurry now scales 10% more effectively with your current attack power, improving damage when engaged in multi-target scenarios.

Broadside:
Increased the damage buff from Broadside by 7%, giving Outlaw Rogues a higher damage ceiling during this proc.

stoic spruce
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Holy FUCK I miss baseline building/spending Outlaw

vocal surge
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what ChatGPT would change for Outlaw

stoic spruce
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Adr wouldn't do that

vocal surge
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we all know it wouldnt do that

stoic spruce
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We need a real CD for burst and aoe

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Oh I see

vocal surge
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atleast ChatGPT would buff us

stoic spruce
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Lol real

vocal surge
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ChatGPT is friend

quaint cedar
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Praise be to ChatGPT

vocal surge
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Blizz devs are out for our kneecaps

quaint cedar
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Blizzard going hard for that 0% outlaw pvp representation

halcyon timber
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Forumites

broken rapids
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is it worth it to get 4 set?

halcyon timber
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For which spec?
Outlaws seem to say yes
Assassins seem to be saying yes
Subtlety, dunno as guys are still testing it out

gusty hedge
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welp might be time for me to hang up the gloves .
Outlul dead.

grave basin
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am i seeing this right

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outlul just got nerfed again

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you cant make this shit up

hollow carbon
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Dmg got buffed at least, could be better

gusty hedge
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damage buff is a joke

hollow carbon
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True..

grave basin
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sinister strike buff is like 0.0000001% damage buff

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compared to what you lose with nerfing cdr

sick wasp
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Rogue
Outlaw
Restless Blades effectiveness reduced by 20% in PvP combat.
Sinister Strike damage increased by 20% in PvP combat.
Pistol Shot damage increased by 20% in PvP combat.

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restless blades will become a meme in the end

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wonder how hard PS crits now

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also wtf is wrong with the frost mage cook

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they nerf IV haste by 5% which is whatever,nerf the stacking,but increase frost bomb dmg and overall dmg

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this is so fried

gusty hedge
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It's Time for an Outlaw rework

stoic spruce
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It's time for reasonable tuning

gusty hedge
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Prolly my last season playing outlaw in pvp depending on how this plays out. Legit most/only class played

stoic spruce
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I picked a good time to quit huh lol

gusty hedge
dark kernel
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Either way stuck playing outlaw gear changes.

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Also if I did bad playing sin then I'd have to accept I suck. Can't have that

quaint cedar
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Maybe if no one is left playing outlaw then blizzard will realize they fucked up and revert?

dark kernel
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Who knows. Most people I've spoken to agree that the change is weird. Rogue is just the best vessel for mage to do their thing, and that's the issue here

quaint cedar
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Yeah I think blizzard is missing the greater issue here. Wizards are currently so OP and their kiting and CC is so oppressive that rogue and feral are the only melee that can play the game.

stoic spruce
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well mage has assa and sub to fall back on

quaint cedar
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^^^ this also

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If blizzard was trying to stop RMP at the top of the ladder and in AWC, then they failed

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Gutting outlaw just means the rogues switch to assa and sub and RMP will still be played

stoic spruce
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the only thing that makes sense is that they nerfed RB because of the rtb part of the 4pc

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but even then

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thats barely an issue

quaint cedar
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Yeah and then what happens when we lose the tier set next season?

stoic spruce
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theyre also saying they expect us to have TB with every 5 buff

quaint cedar
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How much you want to bet they don't revert the RB nerf?

stoic spruce
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now I will say

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credit where its due

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the ace pvp nerf didnt stay long

quaint cedar
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Yeah that felt like a miracle lol

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Problem is that went away at the start of TWW when they usually assess and remove pvp modifiers

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Not sure they will get rid of the modifier next season. We might have to wait until next expac to see it gone

stoic spruce
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now

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ifd they actually fix outlaws energy problem

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I could overlook it for a bit

dark kernel
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Just run 50% haste

quaint cedar
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Yeah the energy problem has been bothering me for a very long time

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It actually keeps getting worse because now we run HO supercharger

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Energy wise it's entirely propped up by ADR uptime and having so many active RTB buffs

spring bough
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time to play BM since they not nerfed

sharp sierra
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I already got a few people signing up "you're trash" xD

sharp sierra
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"ur trash"

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then proceed to win 200 mmr higher with another group

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but then they only queue a few matches

potent pivot
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it can be a slog of a grind

sharp sierra
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I've played arena for a while and its never been this bad with ppl just kicking

potent pivot
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but asking for xp you don't have on your lfg isn't gonna help

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if you don't have said xp

sharp sierra
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yeah its a joke and its supposed to get those ppl mad

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hence ppl signing up "ur treash1!!!"

potent pivot
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ic

sharp sierra
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yeah lol. Im serious tho I havent played every xpac a ton lately but Ive never seen ppl just kick me after 1 loss when it was 100% their fault

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last night it was "u didn teven hex once!!"

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and they were over extended dying the whole game

potent pivot
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some people are just like that

sharp sierra
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and expect me to waste time to hex

potent pivot
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bad players don't know how to play so like

sharp sierra
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no not SOME people they are allllll over

potent pivot
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they don't know how bad they are

sharp sierra
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the worst part is they blame others

potent pivot
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i would try to get some homies to learn with

sharp sierra
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most ppl who are bad are not bad cuz of a skill issue. Its 100% always an attitude problem

potent pivot
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like join a more pvp focused guild

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and find some chill mates with similar xp that want to learn too

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usually solves the leaving/kicking/lfg sitting

vocal surge
sharp sierra
vocal surge
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its so outlandishly unreasonable

sharp sierra
potent pivot
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ye they exist

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there's usually at least 1 on decent sized realms

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there's a ton of them on Tichondrius

sharp sierra
vocal surge
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and they're hardstuck 1600

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as multiglad xp

sharp sierra
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yeah I see that all the time

potent pivot
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idk how that works

sharp sierra
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"multiglad" yet negative with 500 games played at 1650

potent pivot
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doesn't everyone check-pvp people in lfg

sharp sierra
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yeah but

vocal surge
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good question

sharp sierra
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theyll have the mglad achievement

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cuz they prob bought it

potent pivot
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ah

vocal surge
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^^^

potent pivot
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true

sharp sierra
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my one friend who plays this game with me

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now we dont invite ppl who say "mglad"

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because they're legit worse than a 1600 cr 1750 xp player

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so we just go off cr now

vocal surge
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mfw I smoke a 2900xp player in 2v2

dark kernel
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tbf

vocal surge
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2-1 win loss

sharp sierra
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It really is the opposite these days. CR means more than XP i hate to say it

vocal surge
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yeee

dark kernel
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every single person who has mglad in their xp is a SL s2 glad and maybe 1 other poverty season

vocal surge
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^

sharp sierra
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Thats why after a lock ports behind a pillar while dying and I'm in CC they rage in chat and are like 'LOL IM 2800XP UR TRASH'

dark kernel
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and sl s2 is hot shit rival trash

sharp sierra
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I'm like dude im talking about what you did there IN THE MATCH JUST NOW

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I dont care that you were 213912349123912 XP

vocal surge
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will say thou

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gets into your head lol

dark kernel
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big

vocal surge
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like the ego boost is real

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Me and my healer had to go through a self evaluation because our ego went through the roof after W3

sharp sierra
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I just make fun of them cuz its just a game and if we lose then leave group

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and grow up

vocal surge
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yeee

sharp sierra
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thats why I make fun of them tbh

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theyre so insufferable

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it gets worse each xpac

vocal surge
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its even worse

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if its a mglad meta slave

dark kernel
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cant wait to try to find 3s games

vocal surge
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lol

sharp sierra
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xD

vocal surge
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where at

dark kernel
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the boomy that has mglad is at least a 12x glad

sharp sierra
vocal surge
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lok

sharp sierra
dark kernel
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im a 10x duelist

vocal surge
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saw my signup?

sharp sierra
vocal surge
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Yes

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lol

sharp sierra
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yeah lol I saw that then logged off my sham

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nice

vocal surge
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There's like

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no one willing to take me in for 3s

sharp sierra
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id do some

vocal surge
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Aye

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I got my rating btw

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carrying people in 3s

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for their conquest points

sharp sierra
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i wanna get my 1800 mog on my main sham

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i was like 1730 the other day

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but then we lost when we invited "mglad xp" player

vocal surge
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Ooof

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I remember while climbing 2s

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smoking 2700xp BM Hunters

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but they were playing like it was 1200 rated

sharp sierra
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ahhh lol

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yeah its always a red flag now

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if not high cr but 3k xp

dark kernel
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we're going to play a game

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"Can he get a shuffle while his baby naps"

sharp sierra
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in reality, the formula you gotta use is take their XP divide by their CR and multiply by 700 to get their actual potential rating

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so 3k xp = 3000/1500 *700 = 1400 CR

vocal surge
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My potential rating is 700

sharp sierra
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this guys going places

vocal surge
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Is that good or bad lol

sharp sierra
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thats actually just a specially applied formula for the ppl in LFG saying "mglad xpp"

spring bough
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have yall WQs been bugged for the world pvp? i just did one and now its showing i can do it again lol

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but i go there and get 0 credit lol

sharp sierra
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do u guys think this is good enough?>

spring bough
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BM fun asf with this new pack leader and having tons more pets lol

languid ravine
sharp sierra
spring bough
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BM on blitz is a cheat code

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im standing off the hill on blood elf tower not being seen just wrecking people lol

languid ravine
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for 20 seconds straight

spring bough
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this passive boars charge does milly crits lmao

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bout to faction swap to ally if i lose one more war crate

quaint cedar
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how are we in the year 2025 and we are still losing rating in solo shuffle if you get stuck with the guy who loses every round and then quits

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lost 20 mmr from a 1-2 because hpal quit and I was stuck with him the first 2 rounds

languid ravine
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-enter blitz: Katmogu Temple
-get rooted for 5 seconds
-whew finally I can move lets gooo
-checks raidframes, three people in my team are already dead
-Hunter thinks we lose because nobody picks Orbs

spring bough
spring bough
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BM top dmg every blitz lol

quaint cedar
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what really sucks is that I was waiting for 4 set to push shuffle because I thought outlaw felt like crap without it

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and I just got it this week

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and we got nerfed

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I hate blizzard so much

spring bough
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BM isnt nerfed XD

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yet atleast lol

spring bough
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hunter OP confirmed

halcyon timber
spring bough
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everyone is pack leader now no more black arrow thank god lol

quaint cedar
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BM, ele, and frost mage all press space bar more than their rotational abilities

halcyon timber
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Ele definitely commits war crimes with spacebar game play xD

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Sat in a root last night and watched 4th of July spectacular with the blue angels fly over as an ele destroyed 2 team mates in several lobbies tbh

gleaming sentinel
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watching val get ran over by the move, oof

halcyon timber
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Forgot they were on already, gotta tune in

quaint cedar
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Val said in his stream before the games started that he thinks outlaw will still be okay

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hope he's right

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I think this is his first AWC right?

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I'm just catching up on the games now, was shuffling during them

potent pivot
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It’ll probably be “okay” but I don’t think that’s why people are upset

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Such an unnecessary nerf

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Then just buffing generators as if that compensates it is hilarious

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You’re losing 1-1.4 seconds of CDR per finisher

quaint cedar
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Oh I know

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It's insulting really

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I've complained about this before. Blizzard always does the most fried nerfs for outlaw

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They nerf the gameplay loop instead of targetting the actual problems

potent pivot
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I think most general rogue changes in the past couple years have been fried

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Nerf after nerf after nerf

quaint cedar
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I'm assuming these changes are being made because of the tier set....so nerf the tier set maybe? Why Restless Blades? That's our base kit

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Yeah, agreed

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I think rogue players dread patch notes the most

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Usually never good news for us

potent pivot
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Eventually we’re going to be fucking warriors

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But with less damage

quaint cedar
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Yeah

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I'm still waiting for cheap shot to get nuked

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I feel it's coming someday

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At that point the rogue playstyle will basically be dead

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Because we'll just be ferals without cyclone and less damage

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Cheap shot carries the class so hard

potent pivot
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It’s just kinda crazy to me

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One of the least played classes in the game

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Keeps copping fried changes

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More and more diehard rogue mains quit the game or the class

quaint cedar
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Yeah I mean look at this

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2100+

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All 3 rogue specs in the bottom half

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That's crazy for pvp. Rogue is always thought of as THE pvp class

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And so few are playing it

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In pve it's even worse

potent pivot
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I know

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It doesn’t fit any sort of niche nowadays

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If they didn’t give us a pseudo raid buff imagine how bad the player count would look

quaint cedar
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Oh yeah I forgot we had one of those because I don't do pve

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Rogue used to be a staple of M+ too, and now no one plays it there

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Our CC is actually terrible for pve

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all single target

potent pivot
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Rogue is better in m+ than havoc for example right now, havoc representation is abysmal

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But I get invited to keys faster on my DH

quaint cedar
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lol

potent pivot
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Lower ilvl

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Lower io

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Just has a decent buff

quaint cedar
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Yeah, that makes sense

potent pivot
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But yea

quaint cedar
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Honestly rogue has really reached the point where in most cases the juice isn't worth the squeeze

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too much effort for not enough reward

potent pivot
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Getting there for sure

quaint cedar
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Yeah

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I think it's still worth it if you're really good

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But just barely

potent pivot
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It’s wild how easy it is to climb on other classes

quaint cedar
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Yeah

potent pivot
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Like just from a shuffle standpoint

gleaming sentinel
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Going from evoker to rogue pretty eye opening

quaint cedar
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Last season I yolo played some feral to 2000 in shuffle with 0 clue what I was doing

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But the damage is so free

spring bough
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being able to hide like this on BGs as a hunt is so stupid lol

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and can get traps and everything up there lmao

jolly sierra
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what happened lol

quaint cedar
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blizz made it way too easy

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just cleave bleeds everywhere and don't die

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wait until incarn

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win

spring bough
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day 1 already got 4 set on the BM still no wep lol

last jasper
lost quest
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Someone watching AWC? How was Kalvish with sub?

gleaming sentinel
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Think he got ran over by drake / prev

lost quest
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Drake played feral?

exotic dove
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Yeah Welcome to the Jung ran over Kalvish team

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Yeah Drake was feral

severe helm
potent pivot
exotic dove
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^

lost quest
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Yeah, Feral is the new rogue

potent pivot
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Even echo lost a series to fmp

lost quest
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Right now samiyam on frost mage was completely destroyed by warrior 😄

potent pivot
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the state of the game is just so goofy

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hopefully they make more tuning passes soon

severe helm
lost quest
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Next changes probably wednesday or sooner? Cause I feel like they made changes based on yesterdays eu series

potent pivot
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they don't really make changes based solely on competitions

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we might not see more changes for weeks though

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the past couple AWCs they made changes the week before and the beginning week, then we didn't see much of anything until after AWC was over

gleaming sentinel
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Maybe I learn assa and play the very ethical brain off assa aff

lost quest
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Yea tab targeting is so fun

exotic dove
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Not saying Assa isnt easy but out of the classes/specs I have played BM Hunter, Fury Warrior, Frost DK and Dev Evoker have been the actual brain off things I have played

severe helm
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dev especially

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its so funny you originally had to type "advanced" before picking evoker

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which is such a meme

exotic dove
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lol yeah

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To be fair I only played Dev evoker on beta but it still is basically a mobile game rotation spec

lost quest
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Do you expect new class with the Midnight release?

exotic dove
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I dont think so we get housing instead

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I could be wrong though but I believe we dont

lost quest
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Didn’t read a single word about housing yet, does it seem promising?

exotic dove
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It looks decent

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They did like a bnet article on it with a video

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that I saw might still be on the launcher

lost quest
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Will rogues be able to steal furniture from other houses?

exotic dove
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lol that would be funny but I doubt it

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For me personally I will do the house thing and engage shuffle arenas other pvp and mythic plus per the usual if they did have that steal furniture option

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so basically I wouldnt steal the furniture

lost quest
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#roguescanthavenicethings

severe helm
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void themed or something

spring bough
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BM with a conq wep just slaps so much dmg its not even funny lol

radiant summit
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i see there some guidance on pve builds, where do you guys go for pvp builds?

dark kernel
quaint cedar
dark kernel
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We're finally going to see some warlock madness

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All 3 lock specs are S tier and we're only now seeing it in AWC

spring bough
steady elbow
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whats our opener look like for sub bois ?

spring bough
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do i build up the night elf rogue as sub or sin since outlaw is shot

lost quest
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Not another elf in the roster

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Plus for some reason lots or sub rogues just run orc, human and I start to see gnomes as newest trend of sub rogues

dark kernel
last jasper
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Considering most subs are not taking subterfuge

dark kernel
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I don't know necessarily what people are playing. I expect tea, supercharger

languid ravine
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I m eating 3.5mil aimed shots left and right

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glad they buffed it

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100 to 0 in two seconds with Icy fortitude up

stoic spruce
potent pivot
stoic spruce
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No

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Also tank rep is generally lower

potent pivot
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i was talking about m+ in the original post

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vdh rep is like 100x havoc's in keys

languid ravine
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I was having so much fun on my Frost DK, even got to 2400 blitz mmr and then the game decides to put me in the trash team 5 times in a row and now I m back to 1800 mmr lobotomy lobbies

stoic spruce
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Bouta sneeze

calm tree
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hey im a bit confused, whats the point of upgrading pvp gear if it already increases to 675 ilvl when in pvp ?

vocal surge
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PvE use

calm tree
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ahhh

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ok, so ive been wasting thousands of valorstones, thanks :)

stoic spruce
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Ripp

vocal surge
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I mean

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PvP gives good amount of valorstone

hybrid palm
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Is slaughterhouse overpowered

stoic spruce
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Ehh

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I mean not really

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Though I do think they shouldn't havent

waxen meteor
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@potent pivot Hey boss, how's tier set exp this week

potent pivot
stoic spruce
potent pivot
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think so

stoic spruce
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I fuckin hate the outlaw channel

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I think that's how blizz keeps getting a hold of me

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They're all paid by the Rothschilds to keep me on rogue

rough stream
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I just don't like opponents responding, feel like opening with s.strike just leads to they use defensive right away. But gouge opener only works solo or with someone who doesn't break it

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If you world pvping, you can actually get away with flag into gouge at the start lol
I know it's terrible but it catches people off guard

exotic dove
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Anyone have a World pvp drop tracking addon that tracks the crate? Was wanting to hunt those sitting in a queue but the one I found Warcratetracker doesnt even work lol

potent pivot
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you can't really farm every zone without a group going that is using the proper addon

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and queuing while in one of those groups can fuck up their shards which fucks up their spawns

exotic dove
#

ok so there really isnt one that tracks it in every zone

#

Thanks I will chalk it up to another trade chat troll liar

potent pivot
#

but you can't properly do it on your own

#

this WA will alert you if one spawns in your current zone

exotic dove
#

Well Thanks

potent pivot
#

so you can afk in 1 zone

#

and catch one every ~15min

broken otter
#

I've actually been farming crates over the past few days, it's not 100% precise, but it's almost always 18min between announcements

potent pivot
#

if done properly with a group, yes

#

if you're afking in 1 zone while queuing, your shard can change when you go into/leave an instance, which means you'll zone back into a different shard with a different spawn timer

broken otter
#

Ah, didn't think of that. I was basically afk doing housework, and I'd walk back to my PC at the 16min mark and wait 2min, then repeat.

#

So, I guess I never swapped shards.

glass iris
#

Those are not the crates that give the socket thingies, right

potent pivot
#

no

broken otter
#

The War Supply Crates that drop 150 honor and 60 conquest that you can farm.

gusty hedge
spring bough
#

i wish you could do something like [@cursor/healer] for a macro and just auto throw the frost trap at the healer

#

missing way too many frost traps cause my aim is shit LMAO

#

would make hunters a cheat code if that was a thing

#

elite set locked on rogue and hunter. what class to do next lol,

stoic spruce
#

Dk!

spring bough
#

DK or DH is my thought

spring bough
# stoic spruce Dk!

already have the DH honor geared so might lean to that. plus glaive mog with tier 3 its like ima OG rogue again

#

confirmed DH and BM is op even in greens

jolly sierra
#

monk

last jasper
#

but it doesn't track in each zone right away. it just tracks cd after it drops

last jasper
dark kernel
#

I'm 5/8 tier 3 atm

#

Fuck I need to farm the other glaive

gleaming sentinel
spring bough
dark kernel
#

Yeah but it's probably just way faster to run the dungeon on 100 alts now that mogs are cross character

#

Don't need it to drop on a specific char

#

Glaives are also not super low drop rate anyway

spring bough
dark kernel
#

Oh that's balls

halcyon timber
spring bough
#

Have like a whole bar not used 😂

halcyon timber
#

Man I honestly believe it

dark kernel
#

there's a DH in my guild who has his entire hotkeys of damage spells bound to his naga side buttons

#

and he just rolls his thumb across them

#

hits duelist every season in shuffle and 2s

last jasper
#

but to be real, 12 isn't enough. Unless you just do pve rotation

sick wasp
last jasper
#

prolly im gonna be muted again

potent pivot
sick wasp
#

its an arena thing

#

streamed right now

#

finals

#

right now

potent pivot
#

Awc is like a month long thing

sick wasp
#

yeah

potent pivot
#

But yeah why

sick wasp
#

coz its pvp and its fun and interesting idk

#

echo put Merce on his fury instead of rmp

#

Whaazz benched

potent pivot
#

They lost a series last week

sick wasp
#

nvm Merce kiled swapxzy

#

yeah ik,im following

potent pivot
#

They didn’t prep enough feral

sick wasp
#

exactly what i wanted to point out

#

they either keeping it for a ''surprise mfker'' type of thing

#

or idk

potent pivot
#

I think they were just unprepared

#

Whaazz talked about feral before awc started, seemed like they thought rmp was better

#

Incoming tuning isn’t gonna help either

sick wasp
#

good point

potent pivot
#

Either they will swap to feral or sub I bet

sick wasp
#

Sub will be a thing for sure

#

feral as well

#

i think we are into kitty cleave vs sub rmp

dark kernel
potent pivot
sick wasp
#

games so close any mage could flop anytime from the dmg

#

raiku does way more dmg than thesia though

#

think thats the difference

spring bough
#

its a DH all day sunday type of day

sick wasp
#

GG Oscar won the ruins

#

no overlaps allowed

spring bough
#

trying to find piles of dirt in Azj is so annoying

dark kernel
#

I get to start my sub gear and will have my outlaw sets done next week

potent pivot
#

echo just lost the cup?

#

echo just lost the cup

#

an rmp mirror

last jasper
#

Rmp lost in finals 😂

potent pivot
#

?

#

rmp won and rmp lost

last jasper
#

Damn, echo lost a cup is huge

#

with mehh

potent pivot
#

cup 1 getting 15k viewers is wild

#

awc actually getting more popular than mdi shit

dark kernel
#

We all lost today

#

We won but we lost.

spring bough
#

whats the best full set to farm for DH

jolly sierra
spring bough
jolly sierra
spring bough
#

that looks like emerald nightmare stuff

spring bough
#

the current elite sets pretty good too ngl

jolly sierra
#

i will go pally to push tho

#

after rog

spring bough
jolly sierra
#

just started rated today

spring bough
jolly sierra
#

im pretty mild in gear

spring bough
#

just hit cap on bloody tokens got 3k conq to go

jolly sierra
#

yeye

#

i dont have tier yet

spring bough
#

ret might be my next. that set is dope too

spring bough
jolly sierra
#

pretty regal in colors

potent pivot
#

i removed the god awful shoulders

jolly sierra
#

alright, i am full honor w the ret

#

time to go SS

#

i can go w the bloody token wep for now

potent pivot
#

you can also use the newer legs from the bloodhunter set

#

instead of the warbear woolies

#

looks decent

#

the boots are like 40k on the AH

#

and the chest is just legion dungeon chest

dark kernel
#

I wish I had the Shadowlands knives backs

jolly sierra
#

they tossed me to 1k6

#

in my 1st shuffle

potent pivot
#

just need someone to spawn the rare for u

lost quest
low timber
#

guys what u farm (for gold) when u sit in queue as rog? (except herb/mine cuz i farm it on druid queue)

jolly sierra
spring bough
jolly sierra
#

too dumb

last jasper
gleaming pawn
#

15k sounds low, but still more than I would expect. AWC viewership has been dropping off more and more as more players stop caring

potent pivot
#

at least since the lows of sl

gleaming pawn
#

I'm sure The Move being gutted has removed a good chunk

spring bough
#

DH tanking fun as hell waiting for solo ques lol

hidden moth
#

ight lads

#

new gpu today

#

my gpu killed itself last night time to see how this one rides

#

1660 to a 3060

gleaming sentinel
#

Man if pika just took his viewership momentum and hyped up awc, I wonder how it would be

gleaming sentinel
#

I’m gonna paint Dazeds face on my face

spring bough
#

fury war might be getting added to my alt list lol

#

do fury wars get enough wep tokens for DW 2hs or nah

dark kernel
stoic spruce
#

Where my outlaws at?

#

I'm at Anger rn

severe helm
#

I'm perpetually in "disappointment"

stoic spruce
#

Real

hazy monolith
#

how dead is outlaw next reset?

stoic spruce
#

Idk about dead but it'll be pretty rough

#

Pray you don't get micro CCd out of your adr loop

hazy monolith
#

damn just leveld another one

hybrid sapphire
#

do we know if 4pc is worth it yet? assa

stoic spruce
#

Yes

hybrid sapphire
#

which pieces in particular? do we know?

stoic spruce
#

That I do not know

#

@potent pivot

#

Oh TRIIIIIICKZZZZ

#

And now we wait

hybrid sapphire
#

people are still cloaking my bleeds. is there some new ability im missing?

stoic spruce
#

Are they dwarf?

hybrid sapphire
#

no, its all races

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

And what healer are they running with

hybrid sapphire
#

its in all contexts -- even 1v1

#

unless theyre just cloaking as a reflex. but it doesnt seem like it?

stoic spruce
#

Idk

#

You're not blinding them are you?

hybrid sapphire
#

no

stoic spruce
#

Yeah idk then

#

Game hates you ig

hybrid sapphire
#

its not removing the bleeds anymore so idk what theyre doing

stoic spruce
#

And its rogues doing it?

hybrid sapphire
#

yes

#

theyre quite literally casting cloak of shadows heh

stoic lava
#

whats happening to outlaw next patch

#

DID I MISS SOMETHING

#

restless blades reduced by 20% what the HELLLL

#

😱

#

sinister strike damage buff is ltierally nothing

#

pistol shot buff is like slightly something

#

crazy though

native cargo
#

if im playing deathstalker do i always have to open with ambush or does subterfuge count as an ambush from stealth for getting the mark?

stoic spruce
#

The ps buff is actually great. Unfortunately it's overshadowed by the ridiculousness of restless blades nerf

stoic spruce
#

Which honestly at this point why not

stoic lava
#

because gsw is WACK

#

might be worth it now though

stoic spruce
#

It's been worth

#

Ever since SC really

#

Dropped count the odds for it since you took loaded dice and rerolled on cooldown

stoic lava
#

then why does no one run it haha

#

cto still good because of container buffs

severe helm
#

not to mention the control loss from how many fewer vanishes youll get

latent patrol
#

if ive never pvped before and just ooga booga run at people how likely am i to be able to get elite transmog

#

oh i need to change name back

severe helm
#

depends which spec you play

latent patrol
#

well i have equal experience with all of them in pvp

supple pulsar
#

Assa ooga booga m+ bleed all ez

latent patrol
#

that being 0

supple pulsar
#

Just imagine it's an m+ pack of 3 mob

stoic spruce
latent patrol
#

i can do that

stoic spruce
#

And gsw now has more value

stoic spruce
broken otter
#

Does Sub run 4 set?

#

if so what piece do I not get?

#

I'm about to buy a helm, and I'm wondering if I should go for the gladiator one to convert to tier, or craft the crafted one so I can up my mastery

#

If I had to guess I'm think no 4 set, go for 2 set Shoulders/Chest?

stoic lava
#

Surely the revert the outlaw nerf riiight

#

riiiiight

stoic spruce
#

Right????

#

👀👀👀👀

severe helm
stoic lava
#

maybe outlaw will get so bad I can just camp my CR and still get rank 1

stoic spruce
#

Negative pvp mods stay for years

#

Ace was an anomaly

severe helm
#

yeah outlaw still has the mega bte/crackshot nerf

#

bte crit only does double damage in pvp

#

instead of 4x

#

like in pve lol

stoic lava
#

smoge

#

needa cook up a new build

#

actually so sad outlaw feels so nice to play right now

stoic spruce
sturdy marlin
#

im hearing outlaw streamers using the term Cabal or Kabal? anyone knows what that could mean?

severe helm
#

cabal is just a blitz term

sturdy marlin
#

What does it mean?:

severe helm
#

a meme about people throwing games for other people in an organized way

#

A Cabal literally is a secret political faction

#

its often spelled as Kabal though cuz the joke kinda centers around one of the players Kepala

#

blitz community is small

sturdy marlin
#

Oooooo okay haha

severe helm
#

just a meme amongst friends/players

stoic lava
#

the shadow government

potent pivot
potent pivot
potent pivot
broken otter
gusty hedge
ionic orbit
#

How do I edit these frames to be bigger and change their position? Edit mode isn't letting me select them.

potent pivot
#

to just get rid of the blizzard version of them

#

or

#

BattleGroundEnemies

#

for BGs

dark kernel
#

Had guild RBGs last night and we actually got an insta queue

#

Needless to say....those poor shmucks hehe

dapper chasm
#

Those are boss frames

#

In BGs they show the flag carrier etc

last jasper
#

fckin Blizzard. I opened a ticket twice with an appeal and asked how long my mute is going to last. They responded both times by just copy-pasting the code of conduct link.

dark kernel
#

Tomorrow's reset I'll get to be full 675/678 on both toons including trinkets

#

Tokens go to sub offset.

#

Feels good

potent pivot
stoic spruce
#

"Here's a picture of my butthole"

#

-Blizzard intern 627

#

But there is no picture because they're an intern and forgot to add it to the email

last jasper
#

And a link to an article that says the mute duration stacks each time or can lead to a perma

#

the main problem is that I can't even join any lfg grp cuz of it.

halcyon timber
last jasper
#

Kinda huge nerf to pve player.

dark kernel
#

I had to afk out of a shuffle last night, but managed to before anyone lost a game

#

Hope bliz doesn't do shit to me for that

last jasper
halcyon timber
#

Because hee haw and the fuck around gang want to do cute shit reporting you

#

Kinda like at my grad school, I get in shit for speaking up or blowing up on jackasses but it is cool that they are disruptive af and act like turds in a pickle jar .

last jasper
#

I recall like 7years ago or so (before I even start playing wow) I played hots and I was drunk (lol). And I endup with a mute the next day. I opened an appeal and gm literally showed me a pic with my chat 😄 the mute was like for a 2 days or so

halcyon timber
#

Lol

#

Yeah get on ye ol trash talking elixers and wake up to a ban. Ill pass ha

#

Get slick out the mouth looking like that

severe helm
#

Cuz everyone is talking about win trading in blitz all the time

#

People say cabal every other game lol

#

Makes sense though kalvish would have the same

dark kernel
#

Yeah it's a joke because of metaphors Twitter bitching

#

Essentially that Kalvish and friends essentially spam so many games that with less than 100 rank 1 slots per season, they pseudo dictate who gets and doesn't get rank 1 each season

last jasper
glass iris
#

i must have missed a queue thingy?

last jasper
#

why this shit isn't showing shit for almost a wekk

dark kernel
#

Yeah q skirn

potent pivot
glass iris
#

ah it's set to no volume if in background

#

i missed again 🤦‍♂️

#

any advice on finding a group i can 10v10 with?

last jasper
potent pivot
potent pivot
last jasper
potent pivot
#

I haven’t checked

#

Just heard it was supposed to be fixed

#

Because it was broken for a while

last jasper
#

It’s so annoying. Idk why

dark kernel
glass iris
#

ah i was hoping for a way around this

pale storm
#

Q with a healer for faster qs

glass iris
#

oh you don't have to be alone to queue?

potent pivot
#

not for blitz

#

u can q with a healer

glass iris
#

will have to find one then, ty

#

in bgs with minecarts

#

what should we focus on doing

dark kernel
#

You seem to be new to an exceptional level. You should probably explore a lot of the pvp content in the unrated section for a bit

last jasper
potent pivot
#

gonna knock out some random pve stuff before reset

last jasper
#

I think it should show even on a dummy

potent pivot
#

on cc received?

languid ravine
last jasper
potent pivot
#

doesn't seem to be working no

last jasper
#

Tnx. I can relax than. Cuz I had a thought to remove it one more time

severe helm
# glass iris in bgs with minecarts

silvershard? Generally you have two groups: Team fight and off carts. Off carts is usually 3 people and they play for the top two carts which are referred to as "mid" and "top" and teh team fight group tends to play for "lava" which is the bottom cart. The bottom cart has the shortest path which is why you want to put most of your people there. Thats kinda the general strategy. Main things to watch for is the cart timing to see which carts are soon to cap and prioritize being there for those if youre on off carts

glass iris
#

I haven't done any rated yet, maybe that's why - but none of the groups i 've been in have had this kind of coordination

last jasper
#

jsut got killed by mm behind pillar. and I can't see voley here

#

wtf

halcyon timber
#

Bunch of fingerless muffins like to play is why. They refuse to think then blame rogue for X

halcyon timber
#

They are competing for space bar smashing world champion too lately

last jasper
#

If remember it right, only under volley they can ignore los. And I dont remeber if there was a volley, but at least it should've been in my recap

#

Sadly, I didn't have my instant replay turned on, because I was literally in the middle of the pillar and he was behind it

#

4.5mil with blur jesus...

halcyon timber
#

I dunno man, def that and maybe some other stuff.

stiff cedar
#

Spotters mark does not allow you to ignore LOS

last jasper
#

yea, only when u on volley and if they spec'ed into it

halcyon timber
#

Cool then there you go.

#

Just the little bird who swoops down and shits on your shoulder before stunning you

last jasper
#

and since he had 4.5 double tap with 20%dr this was true shot and not volley. the only thing how tf he did it throught pillar

#

Thanks got they gonna reroll this reset

halcyon timber
#

Why would they reroll?

#

Genuine question as i dunno how hard they are getting popped as I do not speak hunter either

last jasper
#

Their burst is going to be nerfed so I expect them to reroll

#

bm.
lmao

#

which is even more idiotic

#

1h later and whazz still debating about brunhity using AHK yesterday

#

oh he is actually debating with brunhity rn

runic laurel
last jasper
runic laurel
#

It’s literally the first tick of damage you took, when did you give up on trying to find the volley lol

#

And then 2 more times after that

last jasper
#

and I fel rushed around pillar

#

I mean were at maldraxus and pillars there are quite big.

runic laurel
#

It might have been in the air before you blurred I forget if aimed shot ignores drs like that

last jasper
#

and we were fighting like between two pillars and I just fel rushed at the end behind one

#

And pressed blur cuz I was like still losing hp cuz of dots (at least I thought that)

#

It should've ticked once at the if I still were in aoe of it

#

weird

last jasper
potent pivot
#

EU teams caught cheating dinkDonk

lilac sigil
#

Did someone test 2 set vs 4 set on assa?

potent pivot
lilac sigil
potent pivot
#

Not really

#

You should be casting envenom some either way

#

Envenom keeps up Slice n Dice and consumes Darkest Night etc

last jasper
potent pivot
#

I would be surprised if nothing happens after this

last jasper
#

I still dont get what actually happend. did he ahk or some other stuff

potent pivot
#

Bare minimum they re announce that it IS considered cheating

last jasper
#

at least my money on that

potent pivot
last jasper
#

(and I am the guy who bought btc at 82 yesterday lmao)

last jasper
#

I get when its a priest or something like this

potent pivot
#

It can affect every specs gameplay

dark kernel
potent pivot
dark kernel
#

Imagine you can just mash keys to do max dpa

dark kernel
potent pivot
#

It can be sure whatever

last jasper
potent pivot
#

We’re talking about what some people are doing in awc rn

#

Basically you press and hold any button and it presses the button like every millisecond

dark kernel
#

Yeah I can see that and as outlaw it will perfectly hit when the gcd comes up

potent pivot
#

So you land CC before someone else that is also spamming their CC button

#

It’s less about the gcd

dark kernel
#

Im surprised it wouldn't cause game crashes

potent pivot
#

Like if both players are not on the gcd

#

The cheater would always land the cc first

last jasper
#

So is it actually against the rules or not?

potent pivot
#

Yes

last jasper
#

And brunhity actually admitted he was using keyboard software?

potent pivot
#

No

last jasper
#

Cuz he was trying to explain but I had a shuff pop and missed

potent pivot
#

He says he only uses actuation point and keybinds

#

AHK function is different

last jasper
potent pivot
#

Like where the button activates the key press

last jasper
#

Oh, whooting like

potent pivot
#

Yeah like

#

U can make ur buttons activate when pressed all the way down, halfway down, or only on release etc

last jasper
#

Yeah I know. Didn’t know it is called like that

potent pivot
#

Yeah

last jasper
#

Okay, why whazz was pointing he was using ahk

potent pivot
#

Actuation point stuff isn’t against the rules

#

Because many people have accused him of using it

#

And his team used it blatantly on stream

last jasper
#

Ye, I know. I watched a few vids when played cs. There was a drama about it too

potent pivot
#

Like brun’s healer Jayyti was using it

last jasper
potent pivot
#

It was pretty obvious that the healer was

#

During awc

#

Haven’t seen bruns or the mages POV so can’t speak on it

#

But many people that face them have been saying they all are using it

last jasper
#

Sooo. Then there should be some kind of punishment for it

potent pivot
#

Basically

last jasper
#

If he actually was using during stream

potent pivot
#

I don’t think they’re the only team either

last jasper
#

At least they can be punished for it

potent pivot
#

I think there’s at least 2 awc teams on eu doing it

potent pivot
last jasper
#

But my bet blizzard would let it slide

potent pivot
#

Well

last jasper
potent pivot
#

They made an announcement about AHK to awc players

#

In 2023

#

Because many were using it

#

Including Chan and Merce

last jasper
#

lol

#

That’s gonna be nuts if blizzard just slap them with disc after that

#

But I really doubt

potent pivot
#

i think they will at least reiterate that it is against the rules

#

and everyone will stop using it

last jasper
#

But I’m not sure echo lost cus if it also

potent pivot
#

there's no way they don't reiterate it after all of this drama

last jasper
potent pivot
#

even if they only reiterate it inside of the awc discord for the players

#

but honestly

#

they need to crackdown on cheating in pvp on live so bad

#

win trading, AHK, kick bots, full on pvp bots, etc

last jasper
#

I agree

#

But this is blizzard

#

And that’s why PvP is losing players. At least part of it

dark kernel
#

Make the players play on Lan again without add-ons

#

Good ol days

#

People used to time trinkets with in-game stop watch

#

No DR tracking

potent pivot
#

its so easy to enable too

#

20 presses per second

#

so basically you can hold the button

#

and

#

say you are stunned, you can hold down your defensive, and if the CC gaps you will cast the defensive 100%

#

thats kinda broken

dark kernel
#

Enters chat

last jasper
#

this is fucking insane. In the past 3 days all my alst just scyrocket -300 rating lol

last jasper
last jasper
potent pivot
#

i'm not gonna use it

#

free ban inc

last jasper
potent pivot
last jasper
potent pivot
#

so you jump every bd?

#

vs anything that has knock?

last jasper
#

it wont jump unless u in mid air

potent pivot
#

it won't glide unless ur mid air right

#

so u have to jump as u BD

#

?

last jasper
#

No, if u get knockbacked and u press bd it would negate it. ppl usually knockback right after essence brake or right before bd

potent pivot
last jasper
#

yep

potent pivot
#

ahh

#

thats a lot easier than what i was thinking

#

so you can just spam ur BD bind for the entire cast of the BD and it will auto glide if u get knocked

last jasper
#

or u can just press bd again isntead of mashing space. But I used to smash space

#

sec, shuff pop

potent pivot
#

yeah

#

i need any other macros for DH

#

gonna play it a good bit this season

last jasper
#

or I can

#

cuz fckin healer wont cleanse fuckin roots

potent pivot
last jasper
#

and can't even tell him to visit a doctor

#

they just came back to me thinking im afk

last jasper
#

I should just spec into my own cleanse. these guys are big brains to press it

languid ravine
halcyon timber
#

F those days

last jasper
#

good game

#

literally can go watch netflix

halcyon timber
#

Druids don’t have cc man wym

proven mica
#

all i see is a disgusting DH

#

getting the pain it deserves

last jasper
#

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

#

and i can't get to him cuz im constasntly rooted or slowed

halcyon timber
potent pivot
#

i have learned that

#

actually

#

as a matter of fact

#

DHs are our homies

#

just not the edge lord slur spamming ones

last jasper
#

lmao and I won

last jasper