It's going to be even weirder when he just doesn't play at all
#pvp
vague summit
dark kernel
Pika was successful in spite of Retail WoW, not because of it.
So now he's not held back.
He could have been a better Adin Ross or Kai Cenat if he wasn't playing a game for a bunch of mid 30s man children instead of doing zoomer shit lmao
I'm sure we'll see some of him again, but man I cannot watch classic content. It's so boring after living it.
low timber
LF recommendation of ally dominated eu server for quick gear alt on airdrops
could be even 100% ally server
jolly sierra
LF recommendation of ally dominated eu server for quick gear alt on airdrops
joining an horde airdrop party in LFG tool
last jasper
Just start a raid yourself. Way fester. But it’s midnight in eu. I doubt u d find anything
last jasper
how can join horde party help me gear ally char?
You can join horde party since df
low timber
ally - this is why i said ally dominated server
nvm i checked database looks like Ravencrest is dominated fully by ally
jolly sierra
ravencrest or silvermoon
potent pivot
LF recommendation of ally dominated eu server for quick gear alt on airdrops
server doesn't matter whatsoever
all content is cross server
low timber
well atm i am on burning legion - u cannot farm airdrops as ally there
low timber
this is why its faster for me lvl up new toon on other server 🙂
burning legion is one of the oldest servers
potent pivot
At that point I’d just farm the currency the old fashioned way
Can prolly just be fully capped in the time it takes to fully start over
low timber
Ill give a try on new one, anyway one more alt is always good 2 have
last jasper
can confirm. rarely can find airdrop grps now it's faster to make your own
you can pass lead to someone else and change shard I believe
potent pivot
i believe they have to make the group
depends on if they've been to all the zones with you already and hopped to your shards maybe
last jasper
ngl, I dont understand in this stuff. But I were in one grp were ppl were changing leads to avoid other faction
potent pivot
we pass lead around a lot when taking breaks n stuff and it never messes up our shards
last jasper
maybe there is something with an addon
potent pivot
maybe they left the group then swapped it, dunno
the addon we use just keeps track of each zone's spawn and checks we're on the correct shard for the timer etc
but idk
i've actually been curious on ways to swap shards without having to reform but haven't found any
last jasper
btw, I completely moved to this "new" shit focus setting. so far so go.
last jasper
i've actually been curious on ways to swap shards without having to reform but h...
Isn't ppl who farm professions do this constantly with an addon?
last jasper
yea, same.
stoic spruce
2012 mlg quickscope montages but instead of paparoach it's Femininomenon
I mean
Come on
I dont like the music but it'd go hard
charred gazelle
guys one question i played pvp today first time and bought some pvp gears but still doing healer dmg as rouge sub , i changed my talnet to pvp but still not working any one can help?
mystic pasture
guys one question i played pvp today first time and bought some pvp gears but s...
Have you seen any guides on the burst rotation? Most people are almost in all conquest gear too now
mystic pasture
well atm i am on burning legion - u cannot farm airdrops as ally there
Have you tried the dragonflight or BFA zones? They still drop crates too
ionic orbit
I was in the same boat as a returning player a couple months ago. Basically just accept that you're not going to be able to do much damage or survive long in pvp until you get at least full honor gear.
waxen meteor
Is there something a outlaw rogue can consistantly intreupt my cap while in blind?
I sapped and tried to cap, he waited a bit, trinketed and vanished right away, sapped me and tried to cap, i didn't bother, just blinded fully and tried to cap back, but something kept interupting my cap
confused as fuck
dark kernel
had time to queue one shuffle tonight and a warrior got trueshot rapidfire 1 tapped and healer rage quit
25 minute queue for 3 globals of combat
and now I gotta go to bed,
great times.
halcyon timber
Dude could have parried all that crap and should have .
Watched a monk not trade into a ret hammer of light + searing glare combo too and still seeing people not cross cc at all. Season is off to a rough start but it is cool man.
halcyon timber
I sapped and tried to cap, he waited a bit, trinketed and vanished right away, s...
Dunno about that one man. Def seen some funky sheet lately but haven’t seen that yet . Not sure if they can / can’t use fatebound coin stack with SnD as it did work in alpha like that. ( i clearly haven’t touched that or assassination since then so i have no dang clue)
noble venture
Can anyone spot some issues with my damage breakdown on Outlaw?
Was hitting a pvp dummy for a bit...
I feel I'm lacking like 25% of my dmg
Also to add, I have no clue if I should play differently depending on my RTB outcome. I read that it doesn't matter so much anymore, but maybe that's BS?
noble venture
I see I see
stoic spruce
Also to add, I have no clue if I should play differently depending on my RTB out...
Just reroll until 5 buff
stoic spruce
I'd say move some of that mastery into crit unless it's all tier doing that
noble venture
Yes 4 set
noble venture
Not this time
stoic spruce
Dant
Dang
Your stats are fine, tier just bad stats for outlaw this season it seems.
You could sacrifice some haste though
noble venture
True, some crit will likely be good
stoic spruce
Is that in pvp out of stealth?
noble venture
The image I sent? Just a pvp dummy
stoic spruce
Yes but were you in stealth with alacrity when you screenshot those stats
noble venture
Don't believe so
stoic spruce
Then yeah you have way too much haste.
noble venture
ahhh ok lol
stoic spruce
Around 19% in pvp without haste talents active
Wait you're HO, youd probably want less I believe.
noble venture
Sending a little clip of my rotation
stoic spruce
Fine I'll pause my jurassic park audio book
stoic spruce
A couple times you sent an ambush when you had fth stacks
A non-audacity ambush I mean
You cleaned up at the end though
stoic spruce
Audacity>FTH. You sent a regular ambush with fth stacks
noble venture
ahh lol
stoic spruce
Doing it a couple times is whatever but it's not a good habit to get into
stoic spruce
There's a lot going on
In the middle somewhere
I realize that's not helpful
Lol
As I said that. Let me see if I can find it.
noble venture
Sure aha
stoic spruce
Also
I wish I had your Opp proc luck
Kinda envious ngl. I have the worst luck with this spec.
stoic spruce
Sometimes I wonder why I even talent into ace if it wants to act like that
noble venture
I suppose it evens out in a longer match
But other than the random ambush, the rotation was correct?
stoic spruce
Yeah it's pretty good
stoic spruce
Sorry I'm at work so I can't comb the video as much as I want
noble venture
No worries, thanks for the help
stoic spruce
It only happened that one time so I wouldn't even think about it
Oh adr on CD.
Held it for a couple seconds
noble venture
Oh yeah? Even if I still have it up?
stoic spruce
Ye
stoic spruce
A free max CP button
noble venture
True
stoic spruce
You could try saving it for blp during crackshot if you want. I like to do that if I'm lucky enough to not have it dropped.
noble venture
I see I see
noble venture
I was trying out assa, but getting outlaw ready for my team
I was laughing when I saw the rating difference between the two specs
Though that could be for other factors like diehard mains boosting the average rating
stoic spruce
You enjoy it?
noble venture
Yeah, I like them both
It's just annoying when I can't get results on Outlaw
That's why I'm trying to work on it
stoic spruce
Yeah the work/results ratio isn't great rn
charred gazelle
Have you seen any guides on the burst rotation? Most people are almost in all co...
no i do pve rotation idk if pvp is diffrent
stoic spruce
With 4pc it's pretty much 1:1
native siren
anyone got the link to the honor farm bg/ebg communities alliance side did the farm for the neck for pve and got the pvp urge from it 😂
stoic lava
I feel I'm lacking like 25% of my dmg
Outlaw damage just kinda bad unless you have omega rolls
Just go read the pve stuff in this discord if you want to improve output wise
keen dune
Would you pick sub over outlaw for new rogues this season?
dark kernel
Would you pick sub over outlaw for new rogues this season?
For once, I would say probably
stoic spruce
Would you pick sub over outlaw for new rogues this season?
Yes
This is the worst iteration of outlaw to learn pvp because the mistakes are so taxing on everything else.
gusty hedge
Would you pick sub over outlaw for new rogues this season?
new rogues (new to rogue) sin is recommended, if had to choose between sub/law for new rogue, would still go law over sub
(i an biased and hate mostly all sub rogues)
sharp sierra
Holy priests are so cringe I’m praying for a nerf soon
noble venture
Just go read the pve stuff in this discord if you want to improve output wise
Already did, but I don't think it translates well to PvP
There was some useful info, but now I need more to work with haha
noble venture
Would you pick sub over outlaw for new rogues this season?
Sub requires your team to play for CC, particularly in 3v3
Lots of subs make it work in the solo shuff tho
Assa is more flexible in comps
Just pick the one that looks cool tho ngl
stoic spruce
Already did, but I don't think it translates well to PvP
Most of it does
Almost 1:1
sharp sierra
Is orc sub rogue pretty equally good as NE sub or is Ne sub just hands down better still
dark kernel
Orc is specifically used to nullify rogue v rogue in arena
It's more of a niche pick for hyper competitive purposes
In your average day to day games Nelf or even human and maybe even Gnome for sub could be as competitive or better overall
noble venture
Most of it does
From my understanding it's optimal to ship vanishes constantly, etc
Though that can't be the right move in arena
stoic spruce
Wdym
Wait until you get a charge and a half?
You just play like in pve but roll more aggressively and utilize shiv
vocal surge
I was laughing when I saw the rating difference between the two specs
for 3s?
vocal surge
Ah
stoic spruce
I bet 2s popping off rn
vocal surge
in 3s, it was Preemptive Maneuver that carried Outlaw that high
noble venture
You just play like in pve but roll more aggressively and utilize shiv
You don't play shiv on Outlaw
stoic spruce
I still can't believe people didn't expect to get nerfed
stoic spruce
You don't play shiv on Outlaw
You do in pvp
noble venture
No
vocal surge
Not anymore
stoic spruce
Since when?
noble venture
But I suppose it lends more to your argument this way haha
vocal surge
Back when they removed Acrobatic Strike's extra range
stoic spruce
Well I use it too much to drop anyway
vocal surge
It was used defensively to smack warriors freely while they moved at a snail's pace at you
noble venture
I assume it's not played due to other uptime increasing talents being stronger
stoic spruce
Until there are pillars no longer in the game, I'll be running shiv
vocal surge
Its just not that good, they nerfed the empowered poison effects from Shiv (ie Mind Numbing Poison and Crippling Poison)
noble venture
To be honest it's quite the shame, no?
vocal surge
Ye
noble venture
Swapping it for passive benefits is lame!
stoic spruce
Back when they removed Acrobatic Strike's extra range
What does this have to do with anything?
noble venture
What does this have to do with anything?
Uptime?
vocal surge
^
stoic spruce
Where does that talent point even go?
vocal surge
Having higher uptime than the other melee classes/specs
Into one of the utility talents in the top/middle section of the talent tree
Im sadge I cant climb this week in 2s lol
stoic spruce
I'm not accepting this btw
This is def an "everyone is wrong but me" moment
Just gonna be real
vocal surge
Its alright lol
stoic spruce
Ain't no way I'm taking any of those other talents
noble venture
noble venture
Most classes have some BS passive slow, so unbreakable stride is too free
stoic spruce
I took shiv and strive
noble venture
Shiv should be baseline I think
noble venture
Yeah
I'm honestly not such a fan of the big talent trees, I think they don't actually promote choice
stoic spruce
They do but blizz sucks at balance
noble venture
Easier to balance a choice of three talents
stoic spruce
In theory they do I mean
noble venture
So they are all viable
vocal surge
Imo, the trees pigeon hole you too hard
vocal surge
Spriest and Outlaw get pigeonholed
Not really no
Theres 2 builds if I recall Unholy runs
for PvP
stoic spruce
I meant in pve
vocal surge
Ah
stoic spruce
Since that's what the trees are really for
noble venture
All rogue specs have very little build choice now, sub can swap between tea and x2 vanish
stoic spruce
Imagine
noble venture
You can't really spec between cleave or single target
vocal surge
For Outlaw, you can tech into cleave
noble venture
Oh yeah?
noble venture
Damn how does that work?
stoic spruce
Outlaw cleave is just single target but spicy
vocal surge
Deft Maneuver by itself or Dancing Steel + Precise Cuts
vocal surge
the CP gen is huge
stoic spruce
We love deft
vocal surge
That's because no one stacks
stoic spruce
Though even if it did, the initial bf cast doesn't do anything anyways
vocal surge
in 3s high rated
stoic spruce
So glad I dropped outlaw though
stoic spruce
I'm happier
vocal surge
If you want the cleave build, im Rank 8 in 2v2s
vocal surge
Rank 4 US I think
noble venture
cool
noble venture
alright lets judge your mog
the most important factor in trustworthiness
Ok I can get behind this
vocal surge
Im very "trustworthy"
stoic spruce
Show
noble venture
noble venture
vocal surge
lol
noble venture
Thought I'd have to block him
"Lets see Paul Allens card"
stoic spruce
I'll show tonight
It'll blow your socks off
If you're not wearing any, it'll blow them on and then off again.
noble venture
Was about to say... I was worried my skin would get removed
Socks are very important for protecting the toes
stoic spruce
Sigh
vocal surge
but my arena partner is gone for the week
stoic spruce
No one asked me why I dropped outlaw yet
vocal surge
He's returning back to the US after 4 years
stoic spruce
Siiiiigh
stoic spruce
No
noble venture
Is it because you like Assa more
noble venture
You were peer pressured
vocal surge
Not enough damage?
stoic spruce
No
I had two back to back instances
One in pvp and one in pve
This was back when MM was stupid OP one shooting entire crowds
noble venture
You decided piracy was immoral
You were done being a thorn in the side of the Commonwealth
stoic spruce
I was in a blitz and I get absolutely DOMED by a MM. Which is fine and all, but I had JUST pressed adrenaline rush. So I had no adr but 2 vanish charges.
My second instance was in brewery. I got one-shot by some dumb mechanic mid fight and I took a brez without adr available.
And then I was like
Two times in one night is a sign
stoic spruce
you hate Crackshot
I actually like crackshot. I hate on it because I'm forced to talent into it.
dark kernel
I was in a blitz and I get absolutely DOMED by a MM. Which is fine and all, but ...
I sat in a 30 minute queue last night after a days work, tired as fuck to get into a shuffle match that lasted 3.5 global cooldowns and a healer left
halcyon timber
Standard procedure
dark kernel
A Marks hunter used Trueshot, volley, rapid fire on a warrior.
halcyon timber
Had that and other trashy things occur plenty last night as well
stoic spruce
I actually like crackshot. I hate on it because I'm forced to talent into it.
I do want to emphasize this btw
Anytime I rant about it, it's not because I dislike it
I can't STAND when I'm forced into a build. It defeats the purpose of a tree
It just automatically makes me dislike it.
@potent pivot my tummy hurts :(
river burrow
Hi :), does anyone have a guide he recommends? i played since the season start and im not sure i get the grasp of it
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> my tummy hurts :(
potent pivot
Hi :), does anyone have a guide he recommends? i played since the season start a...
There’s not many good ones that are kept up to date, you mostly just have to try to watch a streamer that is well known
Depends on what you’re looking for
river burrow
Assassination pvping, arenas mostly
sharp sierra
In your average day to day games Nelf or even human and maybe even Gnome for sub...
Oh wow. Cuz my rogue is NE but zzz so boring
potent pivot
Assassination pvping, arenas mostly
Not many of the streamers are playing assa rn, but you can find talent builds and gear on sites like murlok.io
sharp sierra
Am I... A subway?
Yeah subby
potent pivot
Other than that, any questions feel free to ask here
sharp sierra
In your average day to day games Nelf or even human and maybe even Gnome for sub...
I thought the consensus was like either go NE on ally or don’t play rogue. I’d love to be a gnome rogue tho lol
jolly sierra
tummy
stoic spruce
Tummy ache brothers :(
noble venture
Yeah subby
I sometimes play sub
river burrow
Not many of the streamers are playing assa rn, but you can find talent builds an...
should i switch to sub? i feel like its hard to learn just from reading
jolly sierra
tummy is big for bloating
languid ravine
imo the ONLY time where you can skip NE is when you play Sub and go Orc for burst boosting for the oneshot compilation
languid ravine
For Assa/Outlaw its shadowmeld value is just too huge
potent pivot
should i switch to sub? i feel like its hard to learn just from reading
Nah, assa isn’t that hard. Just have to learn from reading and doing. Practicing. But that’s similar for every spec
river burrow
Nah, assa isn’t that hard. Just have to learn from reading and doing. Practicing...
gotcha, thank you
sharp sierra
For Assa/Outlaw its shadowmeld value is just too huge
Yeah assa has always been my fav rogue spec so I’ll probably stick cringe elf for now. I wonder if I should switch my orc frost mage to nelf tho they seem like BiS
It’s just so lame how nelf is chosen for literally everything
Wished they delete the race
dapper chasm
Pff, I don't see race
stoic spruce
I do
dark kernel
I thought the consensus was like either go NE on ally or don’t play rogue. I’d l...
A few people are playing gnome fine. It hurts a little, but probably hurts the least not being Nelf on sub rogue.
stoic spruce
I play undead for the lore implications
sharp sierra
A few people are playing gnome fine. It hurts a little, but probably hurts the ...
Nelf is just super boring to me personally. Like legit would rather be a human female rogue. They’re tall, lanky and 99% of transmogs look like garbage on them. My literally only preference to ever play a Ne for aesthetics are Druids. Even then, Kul titans seem cooler.
I play UD on my MW and disc
halcyon timber
EU cup starting in 30
dark kernel
Stream only on YouTube?
potent pivot
Stream only on YouTube?
its on twitch as well
gleaming pawn
Did I hear correctly, Pika isn’t competing? Or did he change his mind again
latent patrol
wtf why does a pvper have a good mog
potent pivot
Did I hear correctly, Pika isn’t competing? Or did he change his mind again
pretty sure he's not but idk
i heard absterge said he was quitting too but supposedly he played the qualifiers?
gleaming pawn
End of an era then really. All NA will have left is Liquid and that means CDew and fuck that guy
jolly sierra
wtf why does a pvper have a good mog
were you expecting a barefoot slutmog?
with a blindfold?
dark kernel
i heard absterge said he was quitting too but supposedly he played the qualifier...
Pika is done. Absterge only is playing currently, so that wizk and the new guy aren't just out of luck, and that they can find a healer for the next cup
I hate voice to text so much with hard words
noble venture
wtf why does a pvper have a good mog
His mog is quite nice yeah
Though lets be honest.... PvE players have no sense of fashion
stiff cedar
i heard absterge said he was quitting too but supposedly he played the qualifier...
As he said ^, pika is not, sterge is taking a break the rest of the season but when he decided to take the break the roster for cup 1 was already locked. He's playing so they don't get jacked over on placement points come end of ssn. Wiz n them reportedly already have a healer lined up, sterge didn't wanna reveal it though as he didn't feel it was his place
That's the cliff notes from his stream the day he sent out his tweet, bc I was there
potent pivot
Pretty good atm
surreal barn
For a while lol
wintry dew
(tbf me too)
potent pivot
Season is a little weird
Like
WW/MM are really good
DH is decent, Fury/Arms are good
surreal barn
Nice
potent pivot
Rogue overall dps is slightly lacking sometimes but
Holy RMP is kinda back
The nerf to sub burst/buff to sustain dps seems to have been a good thing so far
surreal barn
Interesting
potent pivot
You can still proc back to back 3m evis with shadowcraft n stuff
So it seems more healthy now
surreal barn
I’ve been messing around with Anthropic’s ai model
I think I could get it to play fury warrior lol
potent pivot
I think I could get it to play fury warrior lol
languid ravine
it probably already does
languid ravine
yo, I blinked for 0,2 seconds, where did the mage go? ah I know he must have blinked too right?
potent pivot
so do we play 4p?
looking like it could be the play but not concrete yet
before we got the last catalyst charge only 5 people were playing it (on murlok.io)
now about 20 people are playing it
pretty sure 4p is going to be the play
potent pivot
its not 50%
glass hazel
oh, i got it wrong?
potent pivot
in pvp 4 set totals to +18.5%
glass hazel
aa it is nerfed
potent pivot
both of the percents are nerfed by 50%
and the 4set percent isn't +50% damage
its +50% effectiveness OF the 2set
the 2set is +30% - nerfed by 50% so +15%
glass hazel
thanks for updating me, probably worth it still since alternative was like 5% vers or smth
potent pivot
then the added 50% effectiveness is nerfed by 50%, so 25% effectiveness of +15% is ~3.5% or w/e
yeah its a loss of ~5% mast/vers
but the tier set has pretty good uptime
languid ravine
Seems not worth it to me
potent pivot
personally i think its good
you trade a little garrote damage for a nice chunk of finisher damage
glass hazel
for assa i think it is worth it, sometimes we miss that extra execute damage to finish
for outlaw\sub not sure
languid ravine
YO I knocked off two guys in Eye of the Storm, amazing! and two minutes later we lost 0-1500 after wiping their whole team! I love this game
lost quest
Do you watch AWC? Swapxy having 200 mil. more dmg than Brunhity should be eye opening 😄
potent pivot
Do you watch AWC? Swapxy having 200 mil. more dmg than Brunhity should be eye op...
outlaws kinda always been that way
less burst/overall damage, but more defense/utility
if outlaw did feral damage it would just be the god spec of the entire game
severe helm
Do you watch AWC? Swapxy having 200 mil. more dmg than Brunhity should be eye op...
Ah damn I missed it
When was it
Oh shit it's right now lol
lost quest
Eu right now
lost quest
outlaws kinda always been that way
I am curious if we will see NA players pulling bigger numbers with sub rogues.
lost quest
Rmp as always 😄 that means nerf mages
dark kernel
Tbqh yeah nerf frost.
languid ravine
Replace RMP with capitalism and you described the whole planet
potent pivot
echo lost
lost quest
Okay Whaazz lost, rogue buffs inc
potent pivot
lost quest
But maaan was it intense
dark kernel
Surprising they lost too, even with the damage disparity Whaazz had insane uptime.
EU hates Sub rogue except for ratirl and the Hoolibang rogue
Howton
How could I forget that guy
vocal surge
where can I watch?
potent pivot
where can I watch?
twitch/yt
'warcraft' channel
might see whaazz play feral in the next cups now ngl
vocal surge
aye
lost quest
Surprised Akro didn’t play in upper bracket
dark kernel
might see whaazz play feral in the next cups now ngl
He's been practicing it, I don't know why he wouldnt
potent pivot
he played it a bit last awc
pretty sure the rest of the team doesn't believe in the whaazzform
dark kernel
I think it's just high level play issues
lost quest
He was the only rogue that sticked to rogues last awc or wasnt he?
dark kernel
Outlaw seems really good when you can just sit and pump or cleave and pump
potent pivot
He was the only rogue that sticked to rogues last awc or wasnt he?
nah
a few people played rogue last awc
dark kernel
Nah a few people played rogue but mostly Sub
dark kernel
That's true, but during the first cup feral was giga busted
Like all 3 rogue specs in one + 30%
lost quest
Now he’s the same without those +30%
vocal surge
The hunter got skill diffed
lost quest
He fdup pretty bad. Medaillion and def ready and didn’t use
vocal surge
Doesn't look like he's running root on tar trap
lost quest
Is Bicmex comepting this awc?
dark kernel
I don't think they did tbh unless they just didn't make it rhrough
I didn't see his team playing together during his streams this past week
lost quest
Nerf frost mages 😄
dark kernel
I'm actually floored we still don't have much Spriest.
Spriest somehow managed getting only a 3% nerf after like 4 buffs while being s- tier
lost quest
They’re more NA thing I think
potent pivot
ooh palumors gonna be playing with hansol apparently
lost quest
I asked Palumor something on the stream last AWC and he called me burner account and blocked me. Legit question btw about team comps. I dont like him since 😄
potent pivot
happens when you have a newly made acc
vocal surge
yee
severe helm
Its AWC they always just ignore rogues except rarely
as a kill target you mean?
dark kernel
as a kill target you mean?
Yes
vocal surge
I do feel that if they did swap to Akro, in certain moments of the game, he wouldve been in big danger
severe helm
rogue really only should die if it makes a mistake
and hoping for them to fuck up isnt as great a strat
vocal surge
ye
dark kernel
Whaazz almost got one shot by being misposition
He slightly lined his healer and got stunned
So it's not a "never thing" for sure and okay low MMR rogues are kinda ass at being the kill target
severe helm
as I said haha
its hoping for them to make a mistake
its just not the right target tbh
rogue tends to play with other specs that are a high threat
like a boomkin/sp/magte
you dont leave those specs alone
vocal surge
ye
languid ravine
hey fellow high intelligence gamers
I am looking for a high intelligence information
as to what comps do I pick Slayer or Collosal hero talents when playing Arms warrior
and why
severe helm
I never play slayer or collosal
dark kernel
This is a Rogue discord my friend
severe helm
I only play trickster, fatebound, or deathstalker
languid ravine
only the deepest knowledge will suffice
severe helm
I would suggest picking one of those 3
dark kernel
Pick whichever one yells the loudest
languid ravine
guys if you lack the deep wisdom to know this sacred information just say so
The Arcane Arts of Arms are hard to fathom
no shame innit
lost quest
Someone link him zugzug discord
languid ravine
okay but smartass jokes aside this is a pvp channel in a rogue discord and of course as a rogue you need to know why a warrior would switch between their kit
severe helm
lolol
thats dumb
all I gotta know is that collosal smash means inc damage
and avatar is scary
lost quest
When I see warrior i press dismantle, dont care about their Hero talents
lost quest
Do we know whos replacement for Pikaboo in TheMove?
noble venture
What's the dmg difference between Fatebound & Trickster Outlaw?
severe helm
"knowing more is dumb"
"NEED to know why a war would switch between"
just using that word wrong
out of all the things in the game to know
that one is probably VERY low prio
and im willing to bet you have a lot more you should know before you worry about warrior hero talents 😉
languid ravine
mate are you US?
potent pivot
severe helm
mate are you US?
nope
lost quest
What's the dmg difference between Fatebound & Trickster Outlaw?
Trickster performs little bit better in season 2 number wise
potent pivot
What's the dmg difference between Fatebound & Trickster Outlaw?
trickster can be more cleave into melee comps
fatebound is more reliable/better
languid ravine
and im willing to bet you have a lot more you should know before you worry about...
I ve never seen a bigger cuck move than getting outraged at a pvp related question in a pvp related channel
severe helm
I ve never seen a bigger cuck move than getting outraged at a pvp related questi...
not sure how you gathered that I'm "outraged"
potent pivot
wtf does country have to do with anything
lost quest
Bro, how hard in 2025 is to join warrior discord to ask that question?
jolly sierra
potent pivot
i swear the amount of wow players that cope on what country people are from is insanity
severe helm
wtf does country have to do with anything
hes going for an ad hominem attack
a desperate strategy for someone in a losing argument
jolly sierra
u know than mud is here, right?
u could ping him
and he reply warr stuff
he always peek at this channel lol
languid ravine
hes going for an ad hominem attack
nah it would explain your dumb fetish but I guess there can be non-US citizens with it too
severe helm
howd you pull fetish into this convo?
jolly sierra
here is mud, that could had saved a lot of problems
severe helm
or just go to the war discord
languid ravine
howd you pull fetish into this convo?
you clearly get off on deranging the conversation
anyways I m outta here cya
severe helm
im not sure youre as good at coming to conclusions as you think you are
peace though ggs
spring bough
here is mud, that could had saved a lot of problems
"war with massive brain" what a contradiction lol
sounds like a rogue to me
jolly sierra
"war with massive brain" what a contradiction lol
me warrior me smash
dark kernel
I have literally zero idea about the difference between the two warrior builds. I know one does slightly better, I think it's Slayer
spring bough
feel like i beat the season already... whats there to do until season 3
dark kernel
Play rated threes
vocal surge
feel like i beat the season already... whats there to do until season 3
AWC Triple Outlaw
lol
spring bough
AWC Triple Outlaw
yeah to get clapped real quick in AWC lmao
dark kernel
Guildies team did the open qualifier.
vocal surge
Got 1hr 47mins before it closes
dark kernel
They finally lost but it was to F tier.
vocal surge
we get a toy for signing up
vocal surge
yeah to get clapped real quick in AWC lmao
Also it'd be fun to just meet the pros lol
potent pivot
they need to go back to doing LANs and cross region championships etc
feels like they really let wow esports fall off
back in the day they raised like $2.5M or something crazy with a crowd funded prize pool thing
jolly sierra
compared to DF, embellishments and enchants are pretty good in DPS scoring here
BREAKING NEWS
gritty peak
potent pivot
i love how they continue to shit on rogue when it isn't even necessary
novel karma
the restless blades change seems weird
balance aside it's very simple to understand 1 cp is 1 second cdr
but now i gotta calculate 0.8s per combo point?
very unintuitive
severe helm
BROOOOOOO
RB reduced?????
thats gona demolish the spec lowkey lol
thats like the laziest way to nerf the spec
languid ravine
its gonna be so weird to memorize it in PvE and then you end up thinking you have Vanish in PvP (when you dont)
tribal badger
the buffing SS is just a joke right
no ambush buff, they arent even pretending to compensate
20% on restless is insane
less tankiness and dps in one stroke
severe helm
buffing SS is hilarious
severe helm
it just FURTHER shows how the person working on these changes is potentiallyt he least qualified of anyone they could have working on it
well rip outlaws representation in pvp even further ig
potent pivot
you see that these are buffs right
severe helm
current 2200+
severe helm
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
severe helm
sorry wrong bracket this is 3v3
severe helm
and this is solo shuffle
potent pivot
but they already did good consistent dmg
potent pivot
severe helm
balancing around awc is possibly the most braindead thing I could imagine them to do
jolly sierra
you see that these are buffs right
so? its better than having trick shots
they nerfed both hydra and spotter
potent pivot
the issue was ST aimed shot
low timber
did did they plan buff frost mage??? is this 1st april?
potent pivot
they nerfed the burst
jolly sierra
the issue was thrashing w aimed and rapid fire
they indeed touched both with those talents
compared to that buff
severe helm
did did they plan buff frost mage??? is this 1st april?
no theyre just that bad at their jobs
jolly sierra
the nerf is huge
severe helm
its an ongoing trend tbh
potent pivot
and buffed aimed shot by 15%
severe helm
It feels worse this xpac than in DF by a lot
jolly sierra
vocal surge
severe helm
df felt like they were actually playing the game
potent pivot
the point is that they already had good consistent damage
severe helm
LOL
I like how they put a developer note
for all the other changes
and just did nothing for outlaw's
guess they did nothing for feral either haha
potent pivot
and just did nothing for outlaw's
We keep seeing Outlaw rogue in AWC. We change. Enjoy!
severe helm
yeup then a different spec of rogue takes over
cuz they still have more stuns than every other spec lol
and they gave us 40% dr in stuns..............
which is actually the least needed change rogue has ever gotten
lost quest
I asked Akro about those changes
severe helm
"whats rogues biggest weakness defensively"
"dying in stuns"
"we can fix that."
lost quest
And he thinks cdr nerf is not that big of a nerf and he’s glad pistol shot getting buffed
open thunder
idk who that akro guy is
severe helm
PS buff is gona change builds for sure
severe helm
20% is a lot
open thunder
i dont need to be doing pvp to know that
severe helm
but 20% nerf on cdr is very very large
lost quest
idk who that akro guy is
AWC competitor
potent pivot
RB -20% is digusting
open thunder
thats like world first raiders
not knowing how outlaw works
happens every tier
!
vocal surge
but 20% nerf on cdr is very very large
This I highly agree
potent pivot
it wasn't even necessary to do at all
its going to make outlaw feel dogshit to play
severe helm
so while someone might think 20% less cdr means 20% less vanishes and 20% less adr uptime
but its a LOT more than that
cuz those abilities feed into each other
were near the tip of the exponential curve right now cuz adr has like 80+% uptime in pvp
so 20% less cdr could bring us down to more like 50-60% uptime tbh
potent pivot
and that effects everything
not just vanish/adr (though those being the biggest impact)
vocal surge
Ghostly Strike
severe helm
nah kir relies more on adr uptime
potent pivot
like it just completely guts outlaws gameplay loop
severe helm
bad adr uptime makes kir worthless
vocal surge
Usually KIR has +90% AR uptime
halcyon timber
Slam bush time
potent pivot
Dave spec time
halcyon timber
Im rooting for our Outlaws regardless
tribal badger
kir is literally feed into the cdr loop by putting power into RtB buffs because ur main abilities hit for piss
halcyon timber
Dave as in the ox for momks?
potent pivot
bad adr uptime makes kir worthless
also less rtb, less supercharger etc
severe helm
also less rtb, less supercharger etc
oh yeaaaaah
tribal badger
nerfing restless nerfs it so much more then ho
severe helm
less rtb is gona SUUUUUCK
potent pivot
Dave as in the ox for momks?
naw the meme is that sub rogue is Dave rogue
halcyon timber
naw the meme is that sub rogue is Dave rogue
Jeeze -_-
vocal surge
Aye
potent pivot
severe helm
imagine gutting one of the least popular specs in the game haha
halcyon timber
“That bastard who pops out at parties and drinks your beer?” “Yeah that’s fuckin Dave”
severe helm
like an actual person
and they just picked a name
cuz she also put "angry old man" for demo
gleaming sentinel
At least let me refund my gear so I can go sub or assa… good grief
halcyon timber
Dragonman and Geologist xD
potent pivot
“That bastard who pops out at parties and drinks your beer?” “Yeah that’s fuckin...
apparently its from a movie
dark kernel
Okay.
So Blizzard is once again doing that shit where they created a set bonus that innately gives us more dice, therefore giving us more cool down reduction. And they're natural reaction is not to adjust the set bonus, but to nerf the baseline passive ability for rogues.
That way, come next season when the set bonus is useless we are gimped even harder because our class itself has been nerfed and now outlaw will be unplayable because they will forget they did that.
potent pivot
dark kernel
They could just, you know re-add the PvP modifier to the four piece
potent pivot
the 4p has a pvp modifier
dark kernel
That's even funnier
halcyon timber
I do hope to see more void weaver priests as a side note
dark kernel
Void Reaver is already really disgusting.
Yes
Bliss pretty much nerfed it, expecting you to have the cooldown reduction dice roll all the time
stoic spruce
Surely they'll fix energy regen right?... right???
quaint cedar
so is outlaw going to be dead now?
severe helm
so is outlaw going to be dead now?
it prob wont be dead
but it will be even less represented
vocal surge
^
severe helm
it still has cheap shot
but theres no reason to ever play it over the other specs now most likely
so in that sense it will be dead yeah
The only thing outlaw has right now is that its the hardest rogue to kite tbh
quaint cedar
I just don't understand why they do this crap
restless blades is the entire point of the spec
we're literally getting the base kit nerfed because of the tier set giving us insane RTB uptime
so what happens when we lose the tier set?
useless
halcyon timber
This was the same deal that happened to ret although they changed the set to match that no? (Changed the set instead of base kit)
Saw those zealots squawking about it
severe helm
we're literally getting the base kit nerfed because of the tier set giving us in...
I dont even think the set has anything to do with this
its not like outlaw was doing insane damage or anything
it was doing the same role its always done
quaint cedar
I think it probably does because we have more uptime on true bearing now
severe helm
to be a control bot thats hard to kill
can they just fucking nerf cheap shot and get it over with
quaint cedar
ok but if they want to change that buffing sinister strike by 20% ain't going to do it
severe helm
why are they so bad at determining the systemic issues
they have no insight into how the specs/game works it feels like
genuinely
quaint cedar
yeah they are just throwing darts at the board
seeing what sticks
no clue how anything works
I guess we're just at the point where blizzard wants outlaw to not be played at all
lovely
gleaming pawn
Just more tone deaf and clueless balancing from the clowns. There being no WW tuning is just hilarious
quaint cedar
You'd think everyone is playing outlaw with nerfs like that
but nope we're like bottom tier representation in everything that isn't the top 0.1%
yup we'll probably have to wait until next expac when they reset pvp nerfs to be viable again
quaint cedar
outlaw is fine. there's no reason to change anything. they are nerfing outlaw for the 0.1% that play at the top of the ladder, which is stupid
noble venture
You can't expect an AI tech bro to understand things its ok
hybrid palm
How does one deal with fury warrior? I literally die if they go on me even healer spamming me
stoic spruce
Honestly if they just fixed the energy problem I wouldn't even be upset
I wouldn't be as upset I mean
It's still stupid
noble venture
Yeah no ChatGPT is a lobotomized rat it doesn't even compare
noble venture
Honestly if they just fixed the energy problem I wouldn't even be upset
Super random when you get energy starved out of nowhere
stoic spruce
Oh dude kir got fuuuucked
potent pivot
I can basically guarantee that’s me done with the spec
stoic spruce
Well they killed the entire premise of the gameplay they created
I'm dropping crackshot
Screw it
And gsw will be my only capstone
Blizz created this monster
quaint cedar
Crackshot will likely never be off meta
stoic spruce
GSW was already pretty strong and it just got a 20% buff
IDIOT
RAHHH
There's no way they don't do legion classic
quaint cedar
I love crackshot personally. Just tired of getting destroyed by nerfs because of R1 players
Even more frustrating because they never nerf the correct stuff
Yeah that happens but really you can say that about almost any class's burst
And if you cross CC you can avoid getting screwed more often
Yes that's fair
Yeah which is why nerfing CDR is crazy to me
do they not realize the ripple effect of that?
I literally just got 4 set too and was really enjoying the gameplay from it. Getting all the RTB buffs up all the time feels amazing.
My bad.
Shouldn't have dared to have fun in a Blizzard game
stoic spruce
I haven't gotten 4set yet
Granted I dropped the spec for unholy right as outlaw got nerfed and unholy got buffed
quaint cedar
Outlaw did get nerfs towards the end of SL but it was still strong. You might be thinking of DF S4 if you played that
stoic spruce
The ace nerf lol
quaint cedar
Outlaw was played a lot in AWC (but still way behind DH, doing like 1/2 the damage) and then outlaw just got obliterated with nerfs
calm tree
does sin use Cyrce's or is it better to just run another vers ring?
stoic spruce
I meant the df nerfs in s4
quaint cedar
Yes that got nerfed in SL S4 but outlaw could just pivot over to dreadflag with GSW or concealed blunderbuss and still be good
stoic spruce
does sin use Cyrce's or is it better to just run another vers ring?
We're dooming rn come back later
quaint cedar
In DF S4 though....when they nerfed Ace....there was no saving that
outlaw was so worthless after that
stoic spruce
does sin use Cyrce's or is it better to just run another vers ring?
Another ring btw
potent pivot
does sin use Cyrce's or is it better to just run another vers ring?
no one uses Circe's Circlet in pvp
quaint cedar
I still got elite with it in shuffle post nerf but it was brutal
gleaming sentinel
I got about 100 rating to get in blitz before Tuesday I guess
Then just wait til I can buy a mastery set…
stoic spruce
I'm working this week
dark kernel
We will maintain pirate brethren
quaint cedar
Would be nice if blizzard would at least throw us a bone and make spree CC immune again
getting it broken by hunters binding shot is so annoying
calm tree
bonus question, please dont kill me, but does this tier's set bonus matter for pvp?
quaint cedar
yeah I think if dreadblades ever comes back it would need to be off GCD
noble venture
getting it broken by hunters binding shot is so annoying
You can track binding shot
quaint cedar
could be a cool alternative to crackshot maybe, as a choice node or something. Since functionally they are very similar
noble venture
No worries
severe helm
I think that would be way too op
Considering how often you press it
And how long it lasts
quaint cedar
I don't do pve much at all but spree is annoying to use in lot of pve
stoic spruce
could be a cool alternative to crackshot maybe, as a choice node or something. S...
Choice node with crackshot.
quaint cedar
maybe for spree it could be immune to aoe CC and not single target? not sure if that's even possible
I don't have a problem with someone deliberately stopping spree, it's the random piss aoe that stops it that irritates me
stoic spruce
Well
halcyon timber
Tar bomb from SV heh
quaint cedar
yeah
quaint cedar
too bad none of this matters because blizzard saw Whaazz play outlaw in AWC today so better delete outlaw from the game
stoic spruce
No
quaint cedar
yeah that would be an easy fix
stoic spruce
Summoning a copy makes no sense
quaint cedar
we might lose the root break aspect with that though which would really suck
stoic spruce
Fix it anyway but that
quaint cedar
you guys remember in SL and DF pre-rework when we took spree just for the root break?
stoic spruce
Yeah
quaint cedar
always amused me that an ability named killing spree did 0 damage and was just to break roots
I'm glad it's better now
but it does have issues
quaint cedar
I really hope the nerfs on tuesday don't kill my spec
stoic spruce
Frankly I don't want blizz to touch it because you KNOW they're going to lobotomize it.
quaint cedar
I was finally starting to enjoy this season
and now I'm sad again
yeah outlaw is always better off when blizzard forgets we exist
because when they remember
NERFED
FUN DETECTED
stoic spruce
I've learned you gotta treat blizz like a child and pray they don't touch anything
quaint cedar
lol yup
stoic spruce
Like when my nephew tries to fix something but he just covers it in mud and bugs
quaint cedar
honestly this is the second time in the last year that we got slammed with hard nerfs over AWC
I'm really starting to hate AWC now
quaint cedar
can we just kill it already?
who even cares
same teams win every year anyways
Echo will win this year in EU, and in NA it will be Drake and Prev's team
stoic spruce
And people copy that comps as well not knowing why they pick it
quaint cedar
yeah
it's killing M+ too from what I hear
idk I don't play that stuff
but seems to be the consensus
yeah
mythic raiding was a joke this time around
cheated multiple times for world first and had to be removed
embarrassing really
yeah
stoic spruce
Outlaw lost double coup
potent pivot
Outlaw lost double coup
?
stoic spruce
Got hotfixed
gleaming sentinel
potent pivot
when
stoic spruce
Evidently today
potent pivot
i see it now
latent patrol
Hit with the double whammy gg
dark kernel
Lol wait qhat
stoic spruce
Outlaw is proving to be a problem child for blizzard
stoic spruce
Actually missed out
gleaming sentinel
Meh, idc. Still gonna play outlaw. Lots more pistol shooting
stoic spruce
A lot less actually
stoic spruce
Apparently I'm behind on my outlaw tech
We're never getting restless unnerfed btw
stoic spruce
Idk I'm at work. I think it was hotfixed today
ionic orbit
cloaked in shadows or fade to nothing talent? what do you guys think?
quaint cedar
Not many played kir but still
I used to hate KiR but it's actually fun this season
halcyon timber
cloaked in shadows or fade to nothing talent? what do you guys think?
Both are good. MS effects and dampening will affect the shield though as a heads up
inner tartan
i havnt been on wow in a few weeks what i miss update wise how is outlaw in areans
halcyon timber
Just got a punch in the ol speed bag as of tuesday.
inner tartan
imma quess u mean we got nerfed
severe helm
I'm curious what that amounts to in overall damage
latent patrol
all of it probably
severe helm
Lemme see if there's a way to sim it