pvp

[last jasper]

Dk has some stun and blind

That’s it

Aoe

Autocorrection

[severe helm]

they have a silence too

they have two aoe stuns and a silence and an aoe blind

[vapid field]

I start to understand this game 😄

[severe helm]

and again they can just kill you flat out through a 50% wall

its miserable lol

[last jasper]

They don’t have 2 aoe stuns. They have one stun and one silence

Or two stuns and no silence. And blind. That’s it

[vapid field]

Can my bleeds stop some of my cc?

[last jasper]

Just disarm them. That’s it

[vapid field]

Like blind and gouge?

What about disarming?

[last jasper]

gouge yes. dont remember does blind remove dots or not.

[vapid field]

Oh, it removes the dots?

[last jasper]

Im not sure. Im tilted so i can't be sure

[potent pivot]

blind removes em ye

gouge has a dmg threshold now so it won't break insta

[last jasper]

or knock them of if they hanvn't use death advance

[severe helm]

the effort required to survive a frost dk is significantly higher than the effort required to grip blind and mash frost strike

which is why its toxic to play against

[last jasper]

pressing disarm is significantly higher?

[severe helm]

they arent popping their cds prior to you being in cc

they aoe blind, then pop cds, then aoe stun, then blast you

also dks trinket disarm aggro like every game lolol

also they do have 2 aoe stuns btw

this and

[last jasper]

it was removed in 11.1

so no, they dont have 2 aoe stuns

[severe helm]

good riddance

lol

[last jasper]

so u just stun them and move away

if they icebound ur stun this is pretty much gg for them

[severe helm]

youre in cc though...

all of these ideas youre saying are how you counter any go from any spec

[last jasper]

no, this is how u counter dk. its just a noob stomper

[severe helm]

like someone saying sub is hard to survive against and you say "just disarm them"...

lol like

[last jasper]

this why there is literally 1 glad fdk rn

[severe helm]

I didnt say fdk was op

I said it was toxic to play against

[last jasper]

define toxic?

[severe helm]

I already did lol

[vapid field]

Good to know, thanks

[last jasper]

So anything that requires less effort on the enemy’s part than on yours is toxic? Seems a bit dramatic

[severe helm]

well theres a threshold

but yeah generally yes

in a pvp game

[dark kernel]

Frost DK is the sub rogue of Dk, it just does it to 3 targets at once

[severe helm]

^

with an easier rotation

[last jasper]

it does this usually once

[vapid field]

And it has a horse!

[last jasper]

cuz he beraly live for the second go

[severe helm]

maybe if the fdks didnt ibf and trinket offensively theyd live longer lol

[last jasper]

they pretty much dont leave against any phys damage

[severe helm]

yeah fdk has many problems, not saying its good just saying its toxic haha

very unfun to play into

[last jasper]

i disagree

frost mage is toxic, devo is toxic

I would say chains of ice is the only toxic about dks

[narrow tangle]

idk i got few of my kills because of that mechanic

[last jasper]

I just noticed. like why would u need 3 stack of symbols

[narrow tangle]

i mean its minor thing

personal preference

[halcyon timber]

Def personal preference, it is a good thing to have as they are never giving back sanguinary vein style stuff. It is optional and im all here for it.

[last jasper]

it can add like plus 500k or so

[vapid field]

What's a good opener for assa rogue?
Cheap -> Garrote -> Rupture -> Cheap -> Ambush? -> Crimson Tempest (if 5+ combo points)

[halcyon timber]

Dunno, i would ask Jason , Trickz, Panda, or zicore politely when those guys are around

[wintry dew]

"politely"

OR ELSE

[last jasper]

i dont get. how is nimble can proc for 2mil when top evis was 1.9. and it should do only 60% of it

[jolly sierra]

depends

monk, warr, rog, hunter, feral
cheap shot>rupture>garrote>ambush>shiv>envenom>mut>mut>envenom

casters, pally, dk
garrote>ambush>rupture/kidney (depends of targeting> cheap shot if is not main target> mutilate>shiv>envenom

why in pallies or dks? because they stuns with magic, so they will be unable to cc you in opener, in contrast to most melees or hunters

if you garrote them

[vapid field]

Why garrote second in the 1st case?

To build up combo points for kidney?

[jolly sierra]

cuz it does fat damage

and my bad

wait

here

[vapid field]

What changed? I'm too tired to notice 😅

[jolly sierra]

kidney

if you use it twice it got dropped in duration

so instead kidney, now you do an envenom instead

[potent pivot]

You can cheap->garrote

Then rupture with the full combo points

You can garrote more than once as well

To get the pandemic extension, 3 combo points etc

[stoic spruce]

They'd live longer sure but they wouldn't kill anything otherwise

[potent pivot]

Extend silence vs casters as well

[jolly sierra]

rupture isn't needed to be full at opener

it does the same dmg anyways

and will be refreshed shortly after

[potent pivot]

Just depends

I always do 5+ on finishers

Especially if you can cleave it

[jolly sierra]

at start?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[jolly sierra]

it takes a little more time

u need to be fast

[potent pivot]

Typically I cheap, gar, ambush, rupture etc

And extend cheap where necessary

[jolly sierra]

hmm

priority is ambush

as garrote can be used later

[vapid field]

I will try some of the tips tomorrow

[jolly sierra]

a lot of times i've wasted ambush attempt because i got fucked at the start by one of both melees in the lobby

for example i open w sap in the healer, then cheap the melee and then the other one insta ccs me

ye, it fucks up a lot w deathstalker

[vapid field]

How much % dmg is deathstalker anyway?

[jolly sierra]

is not just for the dmg, but corrupt the blood and darkest night helps a lot

is mostly for utility

[vapid field]

It seems "weak" and I wish the other hero talents were something different than tossing a coin to your witcher

[potent pivot]

adds up to a good amount of dps when you're spread cleaving bleeds

its in the range of 10% ahead of fatebound in cleave

[plain blade]

I usually cheap>ambush>ambush>rupture>cheap>cheap>garrote 🤣

[potent pivot]

spreading garrote/rupture asap is big

you get your energy refund rolling and most of your dmg rolling

[plain blade]

I usually hunt people in epic bgs tho

Like 1v1

[vapid field]

You don't need deathstalker marks for corrupt the blood though, right?

[potent pivot]

ye i'd still replace 1 ambush with gar

[jolly sierra]

no

[plain blade]

Will do!

[jolly sierra]

u don't

[plain blade]

If I’m fighting a warlock i usually exhaust my cheap then i garrote. They usually die with me at almost full hp

[potent pivot]

ye casters can be a little diff

so thats prolly fine

[plain blade]

Btw. Does death mark increase crimson tempest dmg?

[jolly sierra]

but deathstalker is good for the utility

[potent pivot]

no, but the Marks themselves do damage. hunt them down and singular focus do damage, and you funnel damage into your Marked target etc

it all adds up

singular focus alone can do a decent amount of dmg

[plain blade]

So we have a 5 man rogue team, we hunt epic bg premaders especially their leaders

[potent pivot]

darkest night envenoms are also decent

even with regular brain off bleed build darkest night envenoms can do 2m+ iirc

envenom based builds can do 6m+

[jolly sierra]

symbolic victory + darkest night + tea + envenom does tons of dmg

add even more w death from above

at 35% or less HP

for zoldyck talent

[noble venture]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

@jolly sierra

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[outer sky]

See??? THIS is the shit that drives me crazy in this game. It happens in arena ALL THE TIME. How is this piece of shit not dying to Sudden Demise?? I have 14s of rupture and 11s of garrote on him and he ONLY HAS 13K HP. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[languid ravine]

This is the overworld cheat death effect from picking The General as your buddy in Ashkhahet orwhatever its called I can see the carapace icon on that screenshot :d

[outer sky]

does that work in arena because this happens there too

[languid ravine]

no clue I am winning all my arena games so dont have that happen 😮

[potent pivot]

these days it seems like everyone is running that immunity shit in wpvp

[potent pivot]

nice

[outer sky]

you did this to someone?

[potent pivot]

thats trill

[ionic orbit]

I think somebody should create a comedy skit that interviews the 16th person in a rated BG que.

Possible questions to ask:
Who are you?
What's your story?
Do you have other commitment issues in your personal life?

[languid ravine]

actually I remember one Sudden Demise bug in Arena, guy was low and got cocoon 0,3 seconds before it triggered, and he died with cocoon active lol

[outer sky]

thats not a bug it's by design and it happens all the time

[languid ravine]

yes I agree wink

[stoic lava]

cant decide if I wanta 2nd outlaw or gear my 2nd rogue assa

[calm tree]

Hey im getting into pvp as a newbie mainly for RBGs, can anyone point me to where can i find info on the best specs, talents, openers, tips/tricks?

[potent pivot]

for talents/gear you can look at murlok.io

most specs in the game are kept viable these days, you can really just play your favorite

[severe helm]

im not sure its by design

they didnt think "hey lets make sure that sudden demise kills through cocoon"

[stoic lava]

What spec you playing big dog

[last jasper]

I know he is in trickster. Back to back 3mil is huge

[potent pivot]

its possible with deathstalker too, just lucked out on shadowcraft proc during CDs

he's only playing trickster into some lobbies from what i saw

[last jasper]

Doesn't look like, no mark and no darkest night.

or maybe this is okay for flagellation

[stoic lava]

Anyone know any streamers that que outlaw shuffle

[potent pivot]

i'm saying in general

the pic was trickster ye, i'm saying he was swapping between both afaik and that is possible with both with flag

nothing about trickster really juices evis like deathstalker

[harsh kiln]

I think drdaggers mainly plays outlaw

[potent pivot]

trill plays outlaw sometimes

but mostly in 3s

valthepirate streams every once in a while

[last jasper]

Yea, I was more surprised with 3 mil with just flag.

Cuz I don’t recall me doing back to back in the standard deathstalker finality build

But I could be just bad

[stoic lava]

tyty

I need to learn to be less bad at shuffle

Everyone perma dr's my goes and I tilt

[potent pivot]

you barely have 'goes' as outlaw

[glass hazel]

exactly, assa who get disarmed just after stealth or sub who gets it with blades\flag affected way more

[quasi thicket]

Hey guys, quick question — which Rogue spec is currently the strongest for single-target PvP? Trying to focus on 1v1s and small-scale fights. Appreciate any input!

[potent pivot]

they're all good if you know what you're doing into most other classes

[quasi thicket]

Hey Trickz, thanks forthe answer. I'm really into sub now. is it the most single target focused?

[potent pivot]

none of the specs are 'more' ST focused than the other

[quasi thicket]

Oh I see.

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs can cleave practically for free with their builds

[quasi thicket]

I just thought sub would be the most focsued on st.

[potent pivot]

nah

[quasi thicket]

Well Thank you!

[last jasper]

wonders that u can't stun into precog lmao

[safe pelican]

Multi duelist 🤣🤣🤣

Sounds like I need to start streaming

Challenge accepted just need to get the webcam shit and a better computer bucket list goals for gaming this year get a streaming setup

[last jasper]

she kinda looks good for kids tho

[safe pelican]

Mid tier at best

[last jasper]

but when she asked about precog and alter time. I was like "wuut?"

[safe pelican]

That’s that multi duelist shit lmfao 🤣 think I’m gunna cancel Xbox and comeback to wow i miss rogue

[last jasper]

typical warrior player tbh

she is trying to call me out 😄

she said she is a good player. thats why she doesn't know about precog

[stoic lava]

You do but its still annoying rofl

[coarse monolith]

Is there any way to track "flawless form"? Like WA or something
ex) 14stack->6stack suddenly change

As far as I know, these have independent durations per stack

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooooo that’s funny

[potent pivot]

pretty sure you can track FF

UB is the one you can't properly track

iirc

nvm solo already pointed out that you can't earlier ig

there's really no reason to

[languid ravine]

I m doing laughable damage on Outlaw, like I wont even type the number coz its so small wtf

[dark kernel]

It's a lot of work, and really hard and PVP combat

In a game with a really high uptime, cleave, and somebody dies in the first go or shortly after. I usually pull about 1m DPS

In a really long game where I'm getting cc'd out the ass, and I'm struggling to fight for adrenaline rush back up over and over again, usually about 400k

And I'm just about average

[stoic spruce]

also people have gear now

[stoic spruce]

this is exactly why I dropped outlaw

its so bad. It genuinely feels like it takes pounds of pressure to press a key when youre out of adr

[dark kernel]

Yeah but I've watched the same of Kalvish playing sub and whaazz

I saw whaazz get to touch an enemy with only 2 seconds of sblades up

Lol

[stoic spruce]

sure but thats a completely different problem

also its really weird how half of subs abilities are on cdr

but not the other

[last jasper]

That is what frustrates me the most. Every time I’m in lobby like that I’m constantly fighting not to go for smoke break during game.

[vocal surge]

Whats the number?

[safe pelican]

Pirate really that bad this season ?? We were cooking last season didn’t see any more patch notes that would handicap the spec

Preemptive nerf was about all I saw

[vocal surge]

We got the shadow nerf to Feint whenever Elusiveness is talented into

but that applies to all 3 rogue specs

[safe pelican]

Yea i remember that but that nerf was damage mitigation based, Not for damage that we inflict

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[vocal surge]

Still a big nerf

-40% damage reduction to AOE no longer available to us

[safe pelican]

True

40% was photoshop though that scaling is way to high we knew they would nerf that because Rogue red headed step child

[vocal surge]

What are you talking about?

the 40% from Preemptive was high

Not the AOE damage reduction

AOE damage reduction made sense because not alot of attacks did AOE damage

Preemptive was arguably too high for how it gets activated

[safe pelican]

This is what i was saying

How you gunna say what are you talking about then say exactly what I said 🤣😭

🚪🚶🏾‍♂️

[vocal surge]

The only thing I said before you started talking was the shadow nerf

aka AOE damage reduction nerf

[safe pelican]

I don’t think you said anything before I started talking tbh except “ what’s the number “ but I hear you

[vocal surge]

That was about your DPS lol

[vocal surge]

But this comment wasn't about Preemptive Maneuver. The Preemptive Maneuver nerf only applied to Outlaw (40% --> 15%). The Shadow nerf made the AOE damage reduction go from 40% --> 0% when Elusiveness is talented into. Not the same as Preemptive Maneuver

Preemptive Maneuver effectively was twice the power of Elusiveness, only requiring to be stunned with Feint up to activate (and an auto attack)

[woven niche]

Hi, im not a pvper at all, but i really like the elite set this season. How much of a grind is it to get the elite set?

[potent pivot]

very easy

[woven niche]

Really?

[vocal surge]

Yes

[potent pivot]

anywhere from like 1.5-2 to 6+ hours

depending on queue times and how much you win

[woven niche]

Is that a rank?

[vocal surge]

^^^

1800 is required for the Full Elite set

[woven niche]

Okay okay

[vocal surge]

you get pieces of it started at 1200

and this can be achieved in any of the Rated PvP brackets

Easiest being Solo Shuffle / Battleground Blitz

[woven niche]

Ill screenshot this

Thanks!

[spring bough]

Trickster outlaw rogue >>>>>

[dark kernel]

Arms warrior kind of disgusting right now

Despite outlaw being the melee counter they are causing some issues.

[last jasper]

wdym?

[vocal surge]

It was this talk remember?

[last jasper]

oh, yea. I recall

[dark kernel]

When you take the elusiveness talent that makes feint reduce ALL damage by 20%, you lose the portion of feint that does 40% damage reduction to aoe

[last jasper]

so is it a nerf or just blizzard being blizzard and fucked up? Cuz the tooltip still says -40% aoe

[vocal surge]

shadow nerf

Its not mentioned in any patch notes

and on WoWhead has an option in Feint that says HARDCODED

[last jasper]

or some indian junior fucked up the code and literally made it -20 as the tooltip says 😄 instead of adding 20

[vocal surge]

when checked, removes the AOE damage reduction

[last jasper]

@potent pivot is there a way mm hunters remove slows?

like constantly

[potent pivot]

just this afaik

[vocal surge]

Disengage also removes slows

[potent pivot]

they also have a freedom

pet freedom or w/e

[last jasper]

Oh, yea freedom

I know about cheetah and disengage. But I forgot about freedom

just had a lobby were i was hugging pillar as sub lol. cuz no one touched mm

and he was like horny about me

barely made it 4\2

and i felt like I couldn't slow him down

[dark kernel]

After testing a bit of outlaw. Damage does seem really good, it's more just there's a huge room for error with the spec.

[last jasper]

Am I that bad or what u should do with the lobby like this.

root, scatter, knockback, root, stun

[dark kernel]

You should almost always be last on damage as sub even with changes.

And yeah that's a rough lobby. Lots of waddling.

[halcyon timber]

Definitely not going to get a lot of up time in that. Just have to roll with it.

[languid ravine]

blitz is so funny when your double heal FC dies against two dps meanwhile their double heal FC needs 20 seconds to cross the entire map

[last jasper]

So I play it wrong or other ppl play bad, cuz I mostly 2-3d by just farming my dances

[dark kernel]

Yeah that works I haven't played sub this patch yet. I played it all last season thi

[last jasper]

i play trickster rn and it does quite a lot consistently. Or I just play it wrong spending to much time in zugzug

[indigo hill]

Anyone know a nice addon or wa to make it easier to see if your healer is stuck in a CC?

[potent pivot]

there's quite a few WAs for it

https://wago.io/Dl9GhMDxH

there's one

[last jasper]

If only it wouldn’t scream and pop every 3 seconds cuz of micro cc

[glossy tusk]

Howy y'all. I can't really find a good source for a sub opener this season. For bursting, are we gouging, kidneying, or cheaping?
I also can't find any current video guides, and last season include stuff like flag, or rupture before the stuns go out?

[dark kernel]

This is super dependent on which sub build you are, what MMR, and what you are using. Some people like flag some don't.

[last jasper]

not sure about wasting vanish for opener, but this what skillcapp saying

[glossy tusk]

Ahhh, thank you! I'm pretty new at sub rogue, used to sin/outlaw only high enough to get elite sets.

Is rupture worth keeping up? Or is it just a nice to have?

[austere walrus]

Thanks for sharing

Literally started playing sub yesterday, so.. I'm noob. But in the CS opener, why would you vanish into CS and then Shadow Dance? Why not just skip the vanish and use CS from your Shadow Dance? :S

[dark kernel]

You wouldn't vanish

Whatever information there is wrong

[austere walrus]

Okay

So replace step 2 with step 4?

Basically

[dark kernel]

Yeah, it kind of just is meant to imply be in stealth

[austere walrus]

Okay then

Thank you

[spring bough]

Could do it in one day if you keep at it

[austere walrus]

Taking out an early victory here, but I'm 16 games in now and my MMR is above 1800. My rating is still behind

[dark kernel]

The big key. Is you want to make sure that as soon as you press shadow dance, or shadow blades, but you are on top of your target ready to stun them, or they are already stunned.

People have weak auras and add-ons that the moment they see those cooldowns pressed they get air horns and they will do anything to stop you

[austere walrus]

Oh, that's good to know

About people running WA against it

Again, literally started yesterday

[woven niche]

Even if you suck at pvp?

[last jasper]

for full cp. But as ppl said higher, skillcapped are insane someone would waste vanish for this

[austere walrus]

Alright. Thanks for the sanity check

[noble venture]

What's the best way to improve at the outlaw rotation? Got to 2.2 last season, but it's just not pumping enough

[potent pivot]

You can vanish to get Subterfuge

Which gives you access to stealth abilities for a period of time

The information isn’t “wrong”

Just depends on your build and how you want to go about it

PvP is very situational

Can’t really follow any strict rotation

[austere walrus]

Fair, but also if it's a killer opening combo, it should probably be very straight forward

[potent pivot]

You follow a priority list and rotational rules basically

[austere walrus]

There isn't much variation in there

[potent pivot]

There is though

[austere walrus]

Alright

Well, the list helped me kill people just now, so that's good. Above 2k MMR now 👀

[potent pivot]

If you Dance to start your stun window it can be thrown off by someone CCing you, etc etc

[austere walrus]

Okay

[potent pivot]

Ye I’m not saying they’re inherently bad or wrong, they’re still fine

[austere walrus]

No worries, I'm just excited

[potent pivot]

But learning the rules/priorities will take you a lot farther then “do these spells in this exact order” pretty much

[austere walrus]

Knowledge is appreciated

[potent pivot]

Glad you’re having fun tho

[austere walrus]

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

yeah the world of "openers" has kinda faded away

the games very dynamic now

[austere walrus]

🔪

[severe helm]

its more a list of priorities nowadays for most rotations

[potent pivot]

Mhm

Like always try to rupture at 5+ combo points and evis at 6+

[austere walrus]

I've played a few different classes/specs, but warrior has been main in PvP this expansion. And that's very button mashy

I tend to want to rupture up, and never apply it twice

[potent pivot]

Make sure you’re tracking Deathstalkers Mark and Darkest Night if you’re playing Deathstalker

Rupture is a big part of subs consistent damage right now

You generally want it up all the time

[austere walrus]

Tracking marks, but not Darkest Night. I suppose I should

[potent pivot]

You just avoid reapplying it during your CDs

I don’t think it’s worth rupturing during dance now that they nerfed some of the deathstalker modifiers

[austere walrus]

I play blitz, so long fights are not very common. And so having a high duration on rupture can get wasted

[severe helm]

blitz opener is different

[austere walrus]

Oh

[severe helm]

my buddy who got like 3 r1 titles on his sub last season in blitz opens with gouge actually

gouge from stealth->kidney->flag then your normal burst rotation

he does run flag afaik

reason you gouge from stealth is it gives max cps

so you can kidney as your first stun

and waste less gcds on dance

[austere walrus]

Hmm

Gouge goes on seperate DR, yes?

[severe helm]

but I think most still dont run flag

gouge is on same dr as sap

[austere walrus]

Okay

[severe helm]

but yeah its just a small optimization for blitz 1v1s

[dark kernel]

U usually gouge healer or off targets in arena

[severe helm]

if its in a fight with other people you dont want to do that

[austere walrus]

I think I need to cap the amount of information I take it, for practical reasons

So that I don't get lost

[severe helm]

but in blitz gouging as your first gcd from steatlh gives you kidney as your first stun instead of cheap so its longer and you can 100-0 people more easily

oh yeah then ignore this potentially haha

[austere walrus]

Again, knowledge is appreciated. Just difficult to go from 0 to 100

[severe helm]

yeah just work on your standard opener then until you get that down

[austere walrus]

Yeah, think so

[dark kernel]

How often do you outlaws blow your hook to kidney healer to setup your own CC in shuffle. Feels bad to blow so much mobility

[austere walrus]

I only just learned an opener in the first place 😛

But I did kill hard with it

[severe helm]

what else are you using it for

youll farm back the grapple cd in like 3 finishers

[dark kernel]

Depends on what comp I'm facing

It's easy to use it if it's a melee cleave

[severe helm]

grapple has a very short cd

[dark kernel]

But against double ranged forget it

[severe helm]

so as long as you are hitting shit

you can use it pretty freely

[dark kernel]

Hitting shit is a huge "if" against shit like destro/boomy/rsham

Which was my issue

Lots of hook shotting into priest fear or sham root totem too

Just feels bad when they're good

[vapid field]

What do I do as an assa rogue if warrior is zug zuging me on the arena?

And why are the warriors such a zugs?

[potent pivot]

kite and get them to stack on their team so you can cleave your bleeds

[vapid field]

Alright, thanks

[safe pelican]

I Love running disarm into warriors as well very effective

[halcyon timber]

That’s alright man, slow and steady. Don’t sweat it.

[vapid field]

I wonder if I should ditch hemotoxin for disarm instead

[potent pivot]

you can

[vapid field]

I know I can 😄

Btw, those are my talents, would you change anything?

[austere walrus]

I suppose hemotoxin is for offense (securing kills) and disarm is for defense. Maybe that's a way to decide on what you need?

[vapid field]

I need skill 😅

I love sitting on the healers with the silence on garrote though

[potent pivot]

looks fine

[mystic pasture]

I still dont see why hemotoxin is picked when we have wound poison. Isnt it just a 5% difference and only with shiv?

[vapid field]

It doesn't stack?

[potent pivot]

no

[vapid field]

What about sap talent for reduced healing? How does the healing reduction work?

[halcyon timber]

You can use dismantle to prevent usage of die by the sword / enraged regen or whatever by arms and fury or stop a fellow rogue stunning for defense, or use it to eat a nullifying shroud charge off evokers as examples of creative use if other things aren’t available at the time.

[potent pivot]

because it instantly applies it

[vapid field]

I mean, how does the math work

[halcyon timber]

As soon as Sap / Blind fall off - the target becomes blackjacked just like the old days

Potential value of X is reduced by 30%

So the target has to amp up greater than that to overcome it, ex: a healer has to put in effort and prob use more expensive things such as CDs and personal amps.

[dark kernel]

I think he is asking is does the healing done reduction from blackjack and the healing reduced effect of wound poison stack

[halcyon timber]

Nope

[vapid field]

yes 😄

[halcyon timber]

They do not as that was fixed in df

[potent pivot]

blackjack reduces the targets damage done or healing done by 30%. wound poison/hemo reduce the targets healing received

[vapid field]

oh, I didn't notice

[halcyon timber]

Sp assass days in df got that fixed fast ha

[vapid field]

So they do "stack"?

[potent pivot]

they can't stack because they don't do the same thing

[mystic pasture]

Does it take that long to build stacks? Do they even have time to fall off? I usually press shiv with KB too so after i have been stabbing them for a while

[potent pivot]

its just added guarantee

you can never have too much MS

[vapid field]

I mean they, kinda do: 0.7 (Black jack) * 0.55 (5 stacks of wound poison)

[dark kernel]

Plus AOE shiv with henotoxin strong

[potent pivot]

its one of the strongest effects in pvp

[halcyon timber]

Definitely

[mystic pasture]

Ah yeah AoE…

Didnt consider that

[vapid field]

When does the counter reset?

[jolly sierra]

next week

[potent pivot]

it doesn't 'reset'

goes up by 600 per week

until it is made uncapped later in the season

[vapid field]

Monday?

[jolly sierra]

in 1-2 more days depending of ur region

600 conq

[potent pivot]

weekly reset. tuesday for NA wednesday for EU

[mystic pasture]

Tuesday is reset

[vapid field]

Wednesday for me 😄

[mystic pasture]

Haha

[jolly sierra]

then wednesday

[vapid field]

But thanks. "Next week" isn't a helpful tooltip

Now that I know it doesn't matter but still a little bit confusing at first

[jolly sierra]

ah u talk about how reset works

ye, its every wednesday in EU

[vapid field]

lol, the answer is actually funny 😆

[austere walrus]

Is it 600? Because I was looking at it earlier today, and there's a blue post from 3 weeks ago that says 550 per week

[potent pivot]

idk what you saw, but yes its 600

[austere walrus]

Alright

https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/182070 This is the article

"The cap increases by 550 each week."

I'm not arguing that you are wrong

[safe turret]

It's 600 for conquest, 550 for bloody tokens

https://www.wowhead.com/news/conquest-drops-increased-in-the-war-within-342758

[vapid field]

I guess I can have only one gem with this effect?

[safe turret]

yes, only one of the red "meta" gems

[austere walrus]

Maybe the wrong channel for this, but it's only for PvP, so. Some of the UI stuff I built for sub PvP

[vapid field]

Nicely cooked

[austere walrus]

Cheers!

[austere walrus]

MMR is above 2.2k now hyperventilates

[halcyon timber]

that's sick, keep at it for real.

[austere walrus]

Sooner or later I'll crash hard, surely..

[halcyon timber]

The journey is far more important than the destination. Too many people get hung up on achievements and crud like that dude.

[native cargo]

can someone explain the conquerors varnish and lacquer, if i have a myth set piece (from doing dungeons and vault) and use them on it, do they go lower ilvl or pve? or do they stay the same pve ilvl then just also raise for pvp?

[halcyon timber]

They increase in pvp to the equivalency of conquest gear as advertised, they do not harm the pve item level of the equipment though.

[native cargo]

oh nice i was worried i was gonna have to have 2 different peices

[vapid field]

I suuuuuck

I deal no damage and hunters wreck me

[dark kernel]

This is just an awful lobby.

[vapid field]

Why?

[severe helm]

triple hunter is wiiiild

[dark kernel]

Well first of all thug cleave is not a great team for rogue, you're righting double hunter every single round which is a lot of damage, but there's also an Hpal which is like the bane of our existence for healers, and rsham is really annoying with displacement and rooting totem

Mathematically that's just a shitty lobby to be a rogue. Unfortunately our class likes balanced lobbies

[vapid field]

I felt like shit during that arena

I could do 4/6 or 5/6 in some

not this one

[vapid field]

What classes do not "care" about lobby balance?

Or at least care the least?

[dark kernel]

Warrior goes with everything.

DH does pretty well with everything but rogue.

[austere walrus]

I suppose. But getting high with one character could be nice in and of itself. MMR now at 2382

[dark kernel]

The thing is. Rogues typically only pair well with a healer and a caster/ranged DPS and we don't do well with double melee.

[severe helm]

depends on the rogue spec

for sub sure

[potent pivot]

apparently chan is gonna be casting part of the awc

[severe helm]

but outlaw does fine in melee cleaves

[severe helm]

ooooh shit

thats dope

[potent pivot]

only 1 cup

but kinda cool ig

[severe helm]

he needs to spruce up that pic

[austere walrus]

Saw another rogue smoke bomb the stealth detection buff, take it, and somehow managed to sap me. Is that via Shadow Dance?

[potent pivot]

or subterfuge

[jolly sierra]

smoke bomb doesnt shove into combat

and ye, u trigger subterfuge if you drop stealth

[halcyon timber]

range the shadowstep sap or los them or be very quick with blind / gouge / dismantle etc. many different ways to handle that Fox, no sweat.

[severe helm]

yes

thast a blitz thing haha

[austere walrus]

Okay. Was new approach for me. But I was also playing above my weight

[severe helm]

if youre defending

you want to camp the eye

dont take it

and be constantly SPAMMING step->sap

thats the only way to counter that

[austere walrus]

I see

[severe helm]

stand close enough to the eye so youd be inside a bomb but not so close that you pick it up

[austere walrus]

Seems important to learn

[severe helm]

yeah theres a few subtle things in blitz that you just kind of have to know

[austere walrus]

[severe helm]

thats why I hate playing rogue in blitz lol

[austere walrus]

My MMR has come down, but reached into 2400-something

[severe helm]

yeah blitz is a good way to get high rating for mogs and stuff

[austere walrus]

1950 is about as high as it's practically meaningful for me to get

Anything beyond that is just bragging rights and fun

[vapid field]

Damn, I can't track the dots during pvp. Too many things going at once for me to pay attention to it

[austere walrus]

DoTs on your targets, or on you?

[vapid field]

On my targets

Tempest, rupture, garrote

[austere walrus]

Clear nameplates without unnecessary buffs displayed, can help

[vapid field]

Using some addon?

[austere walrus]

Yeah, Plater is the way

It's a lot of settings, but it's great

Probably some profile you can download that already does what you want

There's a bunch of debuffs you cause, that aren't really important to keep track off. So you can set it to only show the few things you really need

[vapid field]

Why did it end early?

With the timer on?

Are there any good pvp guides online for assa rogue? I'd like to learn more

Do these buffs stack?

[waxen meteor]

!stat

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[waxen meteor]

@potent pivot hey boss, have we landed somewhere if 4 tier is good for sin?

[vapid field]

Posting here because I posted it on a wrong channel

[halcyon timber]

Da fuq xD

[vapid field]

Smoke bomb is goated

[safe pelican]

Don’t lie you love rogue in blitz

[severe helm]

hate it with a passion

I quit blitz last season cuz of how much I hate hte rogue role

I hate base sitting/hitting

I think its awful

I like team fight maps

and flag maps

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo you were doing good though and i agree but i love the 1v1s you get from base sitting but when you have to wait 2-3 minutes for it , it does kinda blow

[severe helm]

I hate 1v1s

[safe pelican]

I can’t win with you lmao

[severe helm]

lolol

[waxen meteor]

i think most rogues enjoy 1on1s tbh

[severe helm]

outlaw frankly isnt that strong in a 1v1

[vapid field]

Not Mewo

[severe helm]

I just hate fighting sub rogues

[safe pelican]

I live for the 1v1 as long as it’s not sub rogue lol

[vapid field]

I tired to play sub once

[severe helm]

sub is just so absurdly op when it comes to a 1v1

[vapid field]

Switched back to assa quickly

[severe helm]

miserable to play against

they should never lose

unless theyre dogshit

[vapid field]

What makes them do so?

[severe helm]

theyre the only rogue spec with 0 setup for their stunlock burst

and their burst is SO substantially higher than assa or outlaw

[safe pelican]

Agreed, i love sub i just hate playing around the CDs , Outlaw stole my heart with the CDR that they stole from sub

[vapid field]

Oh, so outlaw go the talent

[severe helm]

no outlaw had it before

sub only had cdr on dance and it had the vanish talent

outlaw has been designed around global cdr on all its abilitie sfor a while

[vapid field]

Why did they take it from sub?

[river pollen]

hey have yall figured out if 4pc is better than 2 for subs?

[severe helm]

cuz it was hard to balance

and frankly kinda op

[vapid field]

Sounded fun! 😄

[safe pelican]

Rip shadowdust my babygirl

[severe helm]

not for everyone else

[last jasper]

Imagine shadow dust with deathstalker step cdr. Ohhh

[vapid field]

What addons do you consider must have for pvp?

[severe helm]

some arena frame addon

depends what kinda pvp youre doing

if you cant track drs you cant play rogue practically haha

and arena frame addon is usually what does that

[austere walrus]

Game ends if player leaves the match

[vapid field]

Why does it happen so often on low mmr?

[austere walrus]

Don't know. Don't think I've had it happen to me all that many times

[vapid field]

Happens to me every 3rd game or so

[hybrid palm]

Any suggestions on surviving if monk or warrior decides to go on you ?

Run ?

[last jasper]

disarm, kidney, gauge, feint

[hybrid palm]

Doesn't help, use all 😄

And now I've even memorized the chunking sound warriors do while taking you down to 0 hp 😄

[spring bough]

any1 know if its an addon or a setting that lets u right click nameplates? i cant figure out which lol

[neat dove]

1798 rating, time to hit a losing streak 😎

[hybrid palm]

Stay calm

[neat dove]

ill get to 2.1k eventually

havent played much this season

(its only shuffle)

might give assa a try though i have geared versa/mastery

[jolly sierra]

low rated players tends more to leave

as they have poor angry management

[halcyon timber]

Hek kek

[jolly sierra]

that is the reason u find them insulting the most

[spring bough]

just saw the 3k mythic mount... looks too good

[dark kernel]

I usually push keystone Master the last month just for the mount

Going for the 3000 mount is a different story

[halcyon timber]

Lots of 3k+ healers who don’t stfu last season too. I just turn chat off now and don’t pay mind to any of that crap

[ionic orbit]

The number of non-rogues who don't understand to use the sap window to actually get a starting advantage on the opposing team is shocking

[jolly sierra]

when i used to play in 2k4+ lobbies usually ppl stayed shut up most of time

[halcyon timber]

Yeah lots of people playing Edward 40 hands at the key board

[jolly sierra]

however in like 1k6+

[halcyon timber]

I dunno, much happier not reading any of that crap instead of risking a ban

[neat dove]

had no reason to worry apparently, another 4 win lobby

[hybrid palm]

I spent two weeks doing 1900-1950, got it finally 2-3 days back

Nerves 😄

[neat dove]

yeah persistence is key

[hybrid palm]

But have lot of problems if warrior goes on me

[neat dove]

fury can have a few scary seconds yeah but generally warriors arent my problem, but havent played assa this season

[hybrid palm]

I play sub too, just wrong color

[neat dove]

mages are my kryptonite, cant catch them, but if i dont focus them they can freecast and poly me the whole time

[hybrid palm]

For mages run maneauverability+ death from above + smoke

[neat dove]

hmm never ran maneuverability might try it

[hybrid palm]

But if warrior trains you that build, good luck 😄

[neat dove]

usually did smoke, preemtpive maneuver and thief's bargain

sometimes death from above instead of thief's bargain

though i guess should have done it instead of preemptive maneuver since double caster usually doesnt stun as much

[hybrid palm]

It's not fury war, it's arms that's problem

[neat dove]

maybe ill get problematic warriors at 1950 too 😄

so far they dont even berserker rage gouge

[hybrid palm]

I don't know warrior spells, but they chonk you down

N when you go on arms, they get full parry with a defensive, n I've lost so many rounds sending disarm into that

N disarm gets parried:D

Gouge parried

[neat dove]

shadowstep+disarm 😉

removes the parry as well

[hybrid palm]

Oh

Really

[neat dove]

ye

[hybrid palm]

Dafuq

[neat dove]

welldoesnt remove it the buff persists but for the duration of the dismantle they cant parry

[hybrid palm]

I see

Shadowstep is for back engage ?

Parry doesn't work from behind like that?

[neat dove]

yeah like shadowstep+kidney vs rogue who has evasion up, cant dodge or parry from behind

[hybrid palm]

I see

Thanks for new tech 😄

[neat dove]

np thanks for the pvp talents vs mage 🤝

[jolly sierra]

cheap shot

step kidney or disarm

[ionic orbit]

Anyone else use shadowstep when there's just so much chaos that you can't even find your target visually? lol

[neat dove]

yeeee

always feels good

[neat dove]

did you win?

[spring bough]

i think i did lol

[neat dove]

kinda feels weird how much dmg elemental focusing lens does

but i feel they nerfed radiant power dmg

how does outlaw play in pvp, still use vanish to get no cd on between the eyes?

[spring bough]

yup still using crackshot lmao

@stoic spruce 's favorite talent**

[neat dove]

guess you have to keep pressure up so you dont need vanish defensively

[spring bough]

yeah vanish as a defensive ehhhh usually never lol

[neat dove]

i mean still has baked in defensiveness, im assuming you play 2 vanish charges?

[spring bough]

yup 2 vanish charges. with cdr and buffs one vanish can be up in less than 30 seconds lol

[neat dove]

thats quite a bit of selfheal then

was a bit perplexed why people call outlaw the tankiest rogue spec but i guess that explains it

[high fossil]

Is it somewhere I can read which rogue spec is more popular for blitz?

[neat dove]

yeah wait i forgot the site name

[neat dove]

https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/battleground-blitz?region=us

fiddle with the filters

[high fossil]

Tyvm

[neat dove]

its sub because of objective play

and burst

[neat dove]

wait jsut had a bgb WSG and after time was out it was 1:1 but the team who captured first lost

i thought first flag wins in a tie

I mean i won but i thought wed lose

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

ok

BIS 4 SET

Mastery 71.5%
Vers 22.94%

BIS 2 SET

Mastery 76.0%
Vers 23.38%

so just like 5% vers mastery loss

99.38 vers mastery (2 set) vs 94.44 vers mast (4 set) = 4.94% vers mastery difference

[safe pelican]

You gunna be rank 1-58 this season too ?

[neat dove]

why cursed mastery

[jaunty osprey]

idk just wanted to get more mastery, i dont think that 1% crit makes a diff

[jaunty osprey]

nah, havent really had time to play

in 11.1.5 though, i'll push all my rogues

i have 6 rogues fully geared

[dark kernel]

Mastery is by far the best stat for sub and sin, so you sacrifice crit and just get more

[jolly sierra]

alright im retiring for 2 months

[jaunty osprey]

POG

congrats!!

[jolly sierra]

thank u ivanrah

i played relaxed, that was all XD

[dark kernel]

Jesus

I got 2 outlaws but it's insane how hard it is to max rotation in matches

Gonna be a long process.

[safe pelican]

Efficient as always

[hybrid palm]

I dunno guys , I feel warrior into sub rogue is just disgusting:D, tried the step kidney n step disarm, big deal he hill you after it time out 😄

Also tried targetting healer etc while doing the same, targetting other dps while doing the same, na my skills too low or there is some imbalance

[halcyon timber]

Just need practice man, every class can beat every class

Don’t sweat it

[hybrid palm]

Yes I agree with the philosophy, but not feeling a warrior beatable :D, n paired with monk no chance

[dark kernel]

Rogue does well kind of into warrior, but honestly shit like disarm does not feel bad to me when I play my warrior

I'm just like whatever the damage is still there it's just delayed

[trail ice]

Close game

[grave basin]

Why not push for duelist

@jolly sierra

[jolly sierra]

cuz i am too lazy to stress too much for now until nerfs arrives

so i rather prefer to wait for mid season, there are no rush, so i can push w alts

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey hey is Hemo not a lock in anymore?

[paper jewel]

Morning! what is needed for free crafting pieces in pvp? Im at 36 games played now and dont have em. :o

[grave basin]

Rated games ?

[paper jewel]

Yeah, 36 solosuffle rounds done

[grave basin]

Check your quest log or bags for a quest item

Its auto spawn in your bag

[paper jewel]

Yeah, not in bags, not quest and no mail. My bags were kinda full so if that blocked it? :o Didnt see restored items list it when i checked

[grave basin]

Maybe you alrdy turned in the quest ?

Check if you have the purple heraldries

It's not in your bags

Its in your reagents bags

(if you have one)

[paper jewel]

Didnt have one and now its empty. And cannot find it with search, Have 1 green heraldy in bags :D

[grave basin]

Maybe do some 2s? Till it procs

Should take less than 10 wins

[potent pivot]

Nope

[potent pivot]

We’ll see what people do after reset

[vapid field]

Do healers have the biggest impact in solo shuffle?

[gusty hedge]

i feel ya!
went 0-6 other night on rogue needed 1 win for enchant, told myself i was gonna quit but got an instant que, Healer played like dog( H pally) mm/bm/cant remember if it was arms or fury. i got locked down every match during my goes, and teammates just stun dr everything. First game this season where i was completely fucked 100% sure pally let me die on purpose.

[potent pivot]

Pretty much, can depend on the match

If there’s 2 good healers or 2 equally bad healers then it can be dependent on the dps

If there’s 1 good healer and 1 worse healer then a lot of the time the good one will 6-0

[vapid field]

That's what I often see

[vapid field]

What is the date for the next season?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw fun yet?

Dang it's only been a couple days nvm

This is taking forever

[potent pivot]

we don't have one yet

its likely still 4+ months out

we haven't been in s2 for 2 months yet

[stoic lava]

BEEN FUN

[stoic spruce]

Biggest crock of shit I've been told in years unironically.

I actually think of myself higher than those that think it's fun.

By about 3 feet

No but for real everyone who enjoys outlaw doesn't know what they're talking about.

I'm pulling seniority

This shit sucks

[gusty hedge]

it sucks but i still love this shit
since 07 we thuggin

[stoic spruce]

first time dropping it since 04

[potent pivot]

time to play the real 1hander spec

take up the glaive, paddewan

[stoic spruce]

i hopped on a fury alt and ngl

I kinda liked it

[gusty hedge]

That's how i feel about SV hunt Rn. Scratchin an itch I didn't know i had

[dark kernel]

I don't know any class or spec that feels perfectly great anymore.

Maybe arms warrior, but I haven't played it since dragonflight

[potent pivot]

I feel like most other classes feel a lot more well rounded than rogue these days

[stoic spruce]

fun?

its not even the fun

its the work/damage ratio

[outer sky]

wait what?

Ivan said before to NEVER drop hemo

[potent pivot]

now we have preemptive too

bomb/hemo/preemptive/disarm/tricks/dfa

basically every option can be situational now

[stoic spruce]

imagine DFA being useful for your spec in 2025

[dark kernel]

It's pretty good ATM tbh

I use it into caster cleaves to avoid CC and on sub it does samage

[halcyon timber]

Yeh someone showed a fat envenom on Assassination the other day with it too.

[languid ravine]

how come Outlaw skips 15% stamina? that seems insane, and what you get is pistol shot range or attack speed

[stoic lava]

April foools!

[stoic spruce]

meet me in duratar

[dark kernel]

You mean the 5%? Some do some dont

But it's not really needed to live.

[languid ravine]

it says 15% in pvp though

hmm I guess the damage is better to have if you never die anyways

cant drop precision shot either its a prereq, didnt see

[potent pivot]

iirc thats not what its competing with

you have to take the range talent to get to the quick draw and vers talents

and imp bte

combat stamina competes for points with Fatal Flourish, KS, Swift Slasher

or 3% vers talent

basically a bunch of shit you don't want to lose

[spring bough]

4 set outlaw S tier Inc today

[quasi thicket]

Guys, what should i get for my SUB (and assa rogue)?

[potent pivot]

vers/mast

[quasi thicket]

so both gladiator daggers? (not the skewer)?

[glass hazel]

both assa and sub need only vers\mast

crit\haste only as filler

like from tier, trinket etc

[vocal surge]

I thought it was 12%

w. PvP Multiplier

[gusty hedge]

@potent pivot

didnt mean to tag

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

people will occationally get lucky and DFA a CC or a port and think they're blizzcon champs for it so they play it just to tell people they do. It's like a "yeah I play DFA because I'm just that good I can make insane plays with it" when in reality it's almost always luck and another talent would be better. But it lets them stroke their egos.

[potent pivot]

DFAing CC is not only luck

ports, sure

[dark kernel]

M8 just dfa the mage alter or dfa on opener against rogue druid teams it's not that hard

[potent pivot]

you can meld/dfa cc somewhat reliably

[glass hazel]

dfa against mage almost mandatory, what else would you pick?

[outer sky]

so preemptive is really so good that we drop a talent that was considered locked in last season?

[outer sky]

tricks so your caster can actually do damage to them while you sit a root that you can't dfa out of anyway. It's only a 15 yard range, it isn't that great. Youll be rooted or kited usually well before you can dfa and if you dont you will be once you get there

[potent pivot]

just depends what you're facing

you have wound poison anyway

hemo was barely locked in to begin with

[dark kernel]

I would rather jump ass first into a dildo factory than give up blackjack for tricks on the off chance my shuffle partner has neurons

[outer sky]

blackjack isn't that great for assa. you're just getting your bleeds up during it anyway. So it really only matters after blind

[candid tide]

pvp tourney server exist long alr?

[pastel burrow]

Ass first into a dildo factory is kinda how shuffle feels sometimes

[outer sky]

for sub and outlaw its way better because youre lethal as soon as you come out of stealth

[outer sky]

Ivan said it was

[potent pivot]

ye, you could play with it in every game last season and be fine

[candid tide]

did they just implemented pvp tourney server or is this alr since long?

[potent pivot]

that doesn't mean its the only option

[potent pivot]

what are you saying homie

[candid tide]

i saw whaazz in a pvp tourney server

[potent pivot]

idk if TR is up yet

[outer sky]

what changed? preemptive?

[candid tide]

is TR new?

[potent pivot]

wdym by new

TR is up before every AWC

[candid tide]

that it is iplemented this year

[potent pivot]

no

[candid tide]

ohh lol

yeah ig now

[potent pivot]

TRs have been around forever

but they only put them up a bit before every AWC

[candid tide]

can they play on it when awc has not started yet

[dark kernel]

There was a tournament realm back in wotlk

[potent pivot]

ya

[candid tide]

cool

[potent pivot]

they need time to set up their characters

and test stuff with full gear

etc

[candid tide]

reminds me of old Arena Tournament server from Malaco

[potent pivot]

it's basically just a copy of PTR with added venders

[candid tide]

hence i was wondering

[dark kernel]

Back in 2008 you had to pay $20 to access the tourney realm and Blizz ran an open qualifier for Blizzcon. Fun as hell

[potent pivot]

yes already said that i thought

[candid tide]

but u guys haven't witness the tourney server that was opened in TBC tho

[dark kernel]

My team finished somewhere in the 500s for the vanquisher title fun stuff.

[potent pivot]

but even last season you didn't HAVE to run hemo into every match

i think as long as you have a team you can sign up for AWC

just participating usually gets you some toy or something

[candid tide]

chan retired whaazz playing merce now

[potent pivot]

servers up

[outer sky]

You said now preemptive, tricks and dfa were options

We had 2 of those 3 last season

When hemo was locked in

[potent pivot]

no, like all of them are optional

[outer sky]

But why was hemo Locked in last season but now you can drop it for tricks or dfa

[potent pivot]

if you're playing shuffle you can basically set and forget hemo/bomb

in 3s you can swap every option around based on what you're playing/playing into

[outer sky]

youd sometimes drop bomb in 3s?

[potent pivot]

just depends on match ups but ye

[outer sky]

Whats an example of a matchup youd drop it against?

[vocal surge]

CLEAVE!

CLEAVE!

[spring bough]

Flurry single handedly soloing off targets for more than you’re doing to the primary target 😂

[vocal surge]

THE POWAH OF 4P!

also what the mage said in chat lmao

Last round was literally 46s lol

[last jasper]

not bad, not bad

[dark kernel]

Good shit man, but tbh how are you setting that much cleave against a caster/melee

The melee just stacking on their caster like, lmao?

[spring bough]

4p gonna make outlaw S tier scary times

[spring bough]

BF aoe talents also as HO u can drop CTO for precise cuts and flurry dmg is nuts. 1.5mil hits from flurry with all that

Ontop of trickster giving what 20% more flurry damage lol

[vocal surge]

Either my range or their range keeps getting close to me

also restro sham stacking

[spring bough]

Flurry’s what 13yards?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[spring bough]

Big range

Wish we still had 11 yard melee range lol

[vocal surge]

Also Trickster flurry dmg is multiplicative

[spring bough]

How many 5 rolls u have that lobby

3+ ?

[vocal surge]

Effectively the entire time

[spring bough]

Yeah wild shit lol

Outlaw gonna be trucking hoes all day

[dark kernel]

Was that still your KIR build

[vocal surge]

HO

lol

[dark kernel]

Ahh

[spring bough]

HO without cto and with precise cuts absolutely rips

[vocal surge]

Last round

I killed the enemy mage before they could ice block

[dark kernel]

Stun in open into bte KS?

[spring bough]

One of my lobbies last night against two warriors. Flurry killed our teams off target 😂

We were going fury and the arms died with fury at like 50%. Arms got ate from the AOE lol

[dark kernel]

I need to try running the more AOE into double melee

I got tomorrow off

[vocal surge]

Ye

Sapped the mage

and the other 2 went to engage my team

Literally left me n the mage alone

and I just ripped

over 50% of their hp gone

before they could pop alter time

[dark kernel]

How do you decide between swapping kir vs HO

[vocal surge]

If you're able to maintain uptime

with the classes your fighting

[dark kernel]

Kinda what I figured

Mage and double caster KIR feels bad

[vocal surge]

Aye

[vocal surge]

Mastery popping off at only 20%

[spring bough]

That’s uhhhh some wild numbers

We bout to stack mastery instead of crit after haste now? 😂

[dark kernel]

That is nuts.

[vocal surge]

prob equal

[severe helm]

16 yards

diameter

8 yard radius

its not huge not small

its the same radius as our old attack range

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooo ayeee yoooo Jack wildin 🤣

[dark kernel]

I am jacks burning ring

[safe pelican]

I see you in the blitz leaderboards brotha @spring bough participation still looks low this season imo

[spring bough]

I’m still suspended until tomorrow lol

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooo what did you do this time ?

[spring bough]

“LOLOLOLOL” in solo chat after every round for like two days

[dark kernel]

Can't type shit these days

Back in my day ...

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[spring bough]

Usually my suspensions are for “abusive chat” this one was for “spamming” lol

[dark kernel]

Remember when Blizz didn't even moderate chat at all?

[spring bough]

OG vanilla PVPr here. Yea I do lol

[dark kernel]

Same me dude. Same.

In TBC I got a handwritten death threat mailed to my house cause of arenas

Lmao

[spring bough]

OG shit talk

[vocal surge]

Who remembers

CoD MW2 lobbies back in the day

[dark kernel]

I was also there.

That was my first CoD

[languid ravine]

I ve just moved the buffs/debuffs from the topright corner to the center for the first time in ten years

gonna report back but I think its HUGE

its like a new game

everything is different now

[spring bough]

They do voice chat bans on Xbox now too 😂 if back in the day talk was happening now no one would be playing lol

[austere walrus]

Do subs go for 4p? Which piece are we leaving out?

Again, new, so I'll just ask

[halcyon timber]

It is up to you in the end of the day. You are trading mastery and versatility to kinda offset it into dance. Completely up to you to make that decision for yourself
It is like last season to emphasize a shift at the trade of stats

Rat packing dance since legion was a bad move.

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo hahaha the game is so soft now how is that a ban-able offense

[last jasper]

99.99% that no 4p for sub

[austere walrus]

Aight!

[spring bobcat]

Might seem like a silly question, but how do I get a Heroic trinket instead of Champ track?

[jolly sierra]

we don't pve here, so max is champ

[potent pivot]

you can't

[austere walrus]

7 losses in blitz in a row. There is only so much I can do

[safe pelican]

Blitz Loser bracket Algorithm trips after 3-4 consecutive losses you play with shitters until you win

[spring bobcat]

Gotcha, I thought I had seen a higher track somewhere.

[languid ravine]

I just had a team where our second healer was griefing from the start

we won 1500-800

easy

[austere walrus]

Lovely

[spring bough]

Everyone playing outlaw yet?

[last jasper]

this is insane

mm in 9/10 of lobbies today. and 7/10 he just do pve rotation and win. no one cares

[dark kernel]

Yes

[vocal surge]

aye