pvp

[spring bough]

Outlaw pretender smh

[stoic spruce]

I rerolled last night

been working on my dk

[spring bough]

I’m gonna reroll my outlaw into an outlaw alt 😂

[stoic spruce]

I love outlaw but my goodness I need something else

one thing I wont miss is outlaw blitz

or outlaw bgs in general really

[stoic lava]

outlaw blitz/bg is like peak fun tho

u get to do all the fun things

off ndoes/eots stalls/fciing/orb handling

[stoic spruce]

youre right

if only outlaw was fun

this may be the first time since like tbc where I dont play it for a tier

[stoic lava]

Crazy haha

feel like its one of the more fun specs rotation wise always

subjective tho obvs

[stoic spruce]

yeah I dont unfortunately

its fine, these things come and go.

[stoic lava]

unlucky

not only has outlaw ruined the other rogue specs for me but honestly most of the specs in the game haha

[stoic spruce]

yeah

im not gonna get into it because it'll get my BP up

and I know it does because this topic always makes me dizzy

[stoic lava]

[stoic spruce]

yeah im way too passionate about it lol

[gusty hedge]

ryrogue said the same thing Feels off to not fight in temple but for bgb its a must to be as slippery as you can with orb
that site was murlok.io i dnt use much but i check everynow and then or if ima play a new class/spec ill peep the top 20

[oak owl]

does Assa run 4set?

[glass iris]

For the Orb thing - I thought you barely get any points unless you're in the middle

But I'm understanding correctly - just kite along the outside with fatebound

[dark kernel]

I think outlaw is awesome.

Outlaw is not awesome for my 35 year old hands

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/yanatwt-gif-22814884

I'm glad people like outlaw but I genuinely feel like this lol

Rather envious

[dark kernel]

As long as you don't say you liked old combat.

That shit was straight ass

[stoic spruce]

I mean there was a reason I played it since 2004 lol

I liked it back then

[dark kernel]

I have as well, and that still is awful

Sinister strike slice and dice rupture or eviscerate once.

Never was the spec meta or even good in PVP until warlords

[stoic spruce]

Well back then, it was fun because we didn't know how much better it'd be later down the line. Obv in hindsight it was bad.

[stoic spruce]

Cata until daggers

Then it was sub

Again

Subs never been bad I stg

But that's a different convo

[gleaming sentinel]

I played druid for like...lets just say a lot of years, it was really refreshing focusing on a new class for a bit

[stoic spruce]

Never tired of dk tho

Played it since wrath

Crazy how when something is fun you stick with it forever

[gleaming sentinel]

i tried rogue first time last season, will be my main for forseeable future

[stoic spruce]

You missed out ngl >.>

But you're here now and thats what matters

[gleaming sentinel]

idk im having fun, but yea i wish i was a rogue all those years. I just always played with rogue players

[stoic spruce]

You know the one class I've tried half a dozen times but couldn't get into?

Shaman

I don't even have anything negative to say about it. It's just not for me.

[gleaming sentinel]

SAME

caps...

[dark kernel]

my goat spec was TBC hemo rohue so i cant talk too much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iP_zL0DXv8&list=PLO06CtzFP8trY0NjXaE62qCaCfiVRQt0u

cries in flashback

i legit missed when we could shadow step charges and gouge blinks

[gusty hedge]

i feel that
Made one and got some gear df S4 now he just sits there lol

but hey i've got 12 + rogues i can rotate and play now

[dark kernel]

my guy

we need to talk

[gusty hedge]

i know its a bit over the top

[severe helm]

but why...

[gusty hedge]

guess you can say thats how dedicated i am to that specific spec

[dark kernel]

My hand literally goes numb when I hit the target dummy for over 15 minutes

[severe helm]

but why not just play the spec more instead of leveling/gearing more characters haha

[severe helm]

fix your setup

good chair height, supported elbows, neutral wrist angle, etc

[gusty hedge]

Facts I wanted rogue of each race, I gave up on that. Now its really for meme/ test builds,and the major one, Each rocking a different mog

[grave basin]

?????????????????????????

HARP rogue was the most broken shit ever

[grave basin]

for me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC1NmrrEfbU&t=603s

[dark kernel]

I'm talking post HAARP fix

[dark kernel]

I have DeQuervains because I have a newborn and spend a lot of time holding her.

No computer or keyboard issues. Just me issues.

[severe helm]

ah you made it seem like hitting the target dummy was the cause of your pain

[dark kernel]

i get you

[dark kernel]

yeah man I was there too

Literally peaked in high school type shit

https://tenor.com/view/sad-homer-simpson-sigh-beer-pensive-gif-16908894

[indigo hill]

Is it me or is this season so far the worst in terms of balance? MM hunter, BM hunter, Frost mage, Arms and Fury War. WW Monks and Ele shamans all need to be nerfed drastically. These specs are just way to OP atm.

[halcyon timber]

Keep them happy and they gripe about rogue less bc they trinket sap in 2025

[languid ravine]

ele shamans? didnt they get nerfed like 15% before this season

[indigo hill]

Doomswinds slap off about half your health.

Ofc you get the totem that pulls you around followed by the stun while they're are blasting away like Danny Devito.

[jolly sierra]

nothing is worse than a MM hunt doing most of your HP in 2 seconds

[indigo hill]

Oh that and they claim that MM is in a bad spot cause they can be cced

[jolly sierra]

what the fuck

are u fr

just for that? then i will complain as rog they did a cc chain on me in the last shuffle

[jolly sierra]

im sure is that shithead than complained in forums during the rog rework in DF wanting to nerf sudden demise

[indigo hill]

Someone named Bac.

Thought he was trolling.

The counter argument was "You have dismantle" ofc that is very helpful when you can shoot away 99% of my health trough a wall.

[jolly sierra]

is that so?

just a dismantle? why he doesnt ask to remove gouge then?

or feral stun

[indigo hill]

It's an idiot. 😂

[jolly sierra]

indeed, average hunter mains are dumb af

like warriors

[proper heath]

why are peeps playing gloomblade for sub

Are they actually stabbing people with it?

Is there some gloomblade tech I dont know about

[indigo hill]

Been trying some BM hunter just now. Its mostly the same 3 buttons you're pressing and you win.

They're really taking the piss with this spec

[jolly sierra]

i am playing dumb too

but in aniv classic, i am going warr

according to exp, its just spam slam

in most rotations

[indigo hill]

I lack the patience for classic. Classes feel too slow. I do miss that open world feel.

[last jasper]

Oh, I see you’ve met mm? 😂

[last jasper]

I’d say frost mages and bm. Maybe monk a little. Everything else can be managed

[jolly sierra]

ye

but i survived all the attempts

but my partners didnt xd

[last jasper]

played 2s?

[jolly sierra]

never, i dont look for partners anymore

was in shuffle, as expected

[jolly sierra]

F, i just wanna a corrupted ashbringer tbh

so im going 2h fury warr to loot all the 2h weps ppl doesnt want

and maybe wont compete cuz ppl goes DW in fury there according to wowhead

[last jasper]

how do u find retail?

I finished my dogo warrior today.

[jolly sierra]

huh

regular, i wanna farm honor tbh

im waiting for the pvp honor week

maybe gotta go shuffle again later

w a flask

[last jasper]

just go farm warcrates

watching netflix

[indigo hill]

Got my first horde war crate of the expansion today.

[stiff cedar]

better than replicating shadows, really good into rshams to kill totems, would only consider dropping in games that are less than 90 seconds or matchups into cleaves (where ur pressing shuriken storm mainly instead)

[last jasper]

lmao

[jolly sierra]

sanguino, my server

what a shame

[last jasper]

the game he mention as "0 damage"

poor lad

[languid ravine]

"Stalin" is on the profanity filter in WoW xd

[hybrid palm]

Does sub ever drop replicating shadows talent

[potent pivot]

you can drop it for gloomblade if you want

doesn't really matter much

[hybrid palm]

And what about lingering darkness vs symbolic victory

[potent pivot]

same thing

[ionic orbit]

If you join a pvp guild that is on a different realm than your characters default realm, do you have to manually choose that guild realm every single you log in if you want to do world pvp together?

[potent pivot]

no

realms barely matter these days

you just join a group

[potent pivot]

i think most people have swapped to lingering for more consistent damage now

[last jasper]

wow, I haven't notice \ppl swapped to lingering.

[indigo hill]

Those weapon tokens at 2500 conquest are nice but would be even nicer if they gave enough for weapons. Can't go from Outlaw to Sub or from SV hunter to BM cause you don't get enough tokens for the right weapons.

[potent pivot]

you can buy 1 outlaw wep and 1 sub wep

but for other stuff like surv/BM yeah its a bit funky

[indigo hill]

Yeah that's my point. Can't have 2 of each. Fury can buy 2 2h with their tokens.

Kinda puts you stuck on a spec.

[potent pivot]

offhand weapon matters for fury

it doesn't matter very much for us

you can use an honor dagger offhand for sub/assa and be fine

as long as you use the correct weapon type for sub/assa, its basically just a stat stick. the ilvl isn't hugely important

[indigo hill]

It was more about the fairness of it and the ease to change specs. Hunter being the biggest pain. Maybe that's why they made sure SV has no damage.

[potent pivot]

imo specs wanting different stats is more of an issue than the weapons ngl

you kinda need 2 rogues if you want to play outlaw and another spec, this early in the season at least

[jolly sierra]

i wanna flame that guy

[last jasper]

Ideally u shouldn't be able to have gear for 2 spec. Unless they both need same stats

[indigo hill]

I think allot of spec don't have the same stats and you're gonna need 2 sets eventually.

The ones i play at least.

[potent pivot]

it would be nice if they made some sort of missive item that let us change stats on any item on the fly

[indigo hill]

Would be very nice, especially since a strong spec can be turned to 💩 with a hotfix.

[potent pivot]

the crafted gear is nice but still too much friction to be recrafting everything multiple times

[last jasper]

wait, I have another one. Disc priest who was flaming cuz "zero cc" and "why u ppl lose so much".
guess what, the guy went 0-6 😄

was about to troll him after the game, but I was already blocked. despite not saying a word to him lol

[indigo hill]

But its Disc. You can't lose as disc.

[potent pivot]

idk apparently hpriest is back

[last jasper]

So u could spend less time in game therefore pay less for sub? Are u crazy? 😄

[indigo hill]

Yeah Hpriest seems to be strong now.

[potent pivot]

idk if that would change anything about people's subs lol

[last jasper]

this is not the point. He said "0 cc" assuming my cc is bad. I opened details cc. the guy did ONE root in 2+min game as disc priest lol

[jolly sierra]

XD

[indigo hill]

https://tenor.com/view/its-something-something-here-you-go-it's-something-its-something-funny-gif-1669161523447633417

Ah like that. Ah well...

[last jasper]

They definitely don’t want ppl to pay 1 month and drop it until the next patch

[potent pivot]

yeah but that already happens by a huge metric

i don't think adding pvp missive items would cause that really

[last jasper]

Yep. I agree

[potent pivot]

if anything it lets you play more

instead of being time gated to certain specs

[last jasper]

I’m not sure it would make ppl play more. At least this season. They dropped the ball with this season tier sets I believe

At least my q times were not that great since the season start

[indigo hill]

Blizzard has bigger problems that cause people to quit the game.

[last jasper]

I’m not sure maybe it’s a server or faction. Cuz my alliance dogo war had q times between 5-10 min last few days

Or maybe cuz I was sub 1.8 rating

[last jasper]

For instance?

[indigo hill]

I've been in queue for almost 40 min now at 600 rating.

[indigo hill]

Balance being completely wack in pvp.

[last jasper]

I meant mmr. If u mmr is like 2.1 than it’s no wonder

[indigo hill]

No clue what my mmr is atm on my hunter. I played 2 rounds so far.

[last jasper]

Healers were fucked. Bad everything else is pretty okay. They trolled with a monk the first 2 weeks. That’s true.

[indigo hill]

They're still trolling with BM and MM hunters.

[potent pivot]

well player numbers always continue to fall off as the expansion goes on

[indigo hill]

My mmr is 1900 atm.

[last jasper]

We are currently lower than we were in df

[potent pivot]

idk if there's much they can do to stop that anymore its been happening for decades

[last jasper]

And I think tww is way better than df was. At least for me. Apart from this season casino tier sets

[potent pivot]

where are you getting that from

not saying it isn't true, but curious to see anything showing that

[last jasper]

Ppl post on Reddit. It’s not like I was looking for it. Just saw graphs. How many guilds killed raid bosses, m+ runs etc

[potent pivot]

i think this season's raid just started out very difficult tbf

[last jasper]

And df dungeons were dog shit

[potent pivot]

those numbers are going to be weird

[last jasper]

Well, u can’t really compare raid bosses. Cuz they can be tuned differently. But m+ runs are lower

I don’t feel like this season m+ is different to any other

[potent pivot]

idk if we're far enough into the season to even see the data properly

[last jasper]

One month is enough. Why not

To compare first month from df

[last jasper]

Weird graph. Season 1 was like 6 month ago

[potent pivot]

all i can find is s1 stuff so far

[last jasper]

i'll post next time it poped on reddit

anyway, I'm not trying to argue. just want my q to pop faster 😄

cuz 15-20mins is not great at all

[potent pivot]

me neither, just interesting discussion

i found some s2 stuff

df s2

it is slightly less popular

but about the same week3s

[indigo hill]

After testing WW monk, Fury/Arms War, Frost mage, Feral druid, BM/MM hunt all need nerfs asap, their damage out put is way to high.

[last jasper]

I only tested mm,fury/arms and frost mage

and I would say frost mage is the only insane spec.

arms executes can proc for insane dam. but frost mage is consistently cancer to play against

for fuck sake. friday evening

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-friday-floppa-friday-spin-gif-13634073997171883143

[last jasper]

it became longer

ahahah

[potent pivot]

I feel like Arms’ everything can proc for insane damage ngl

Have seen so many screenshots of ms/op/ex etc doing crazy numbers

[jolly sierra]

we need more floppas tho

[last jasper]

I mean like 3mil. we are like in a state when 2mil mortal is okay

[potent pivot]

Ye 3m+

Of all those

[last jasper]

it needs setup. While slayer arms can just hit for 3+mil back to back

[potent pivot]

Idk how or why, I mostly play fury

[last jasper]

I had like 3mil into 4mil

or 5mil demolish (full cast)

thats insane

[potent pivot]

Yeah

I might try arms this season

[last jasper]

but so does frost dk. 4mil frost strike, hello

[potent pivot]

Fury is almost always better whenever I’ve played warr

[last jasper]

its fun. but feels squishy sometimes

[potent pivot]

Really

[last jasper]

I did 1.8 for elite idk why I even needed it. and logged off

[potent pivot]

Mud was saying he feels tankier on arms rn

Maybe he was playing colossus? Or w/e the other one is

Hopefully they buff some of the lower dps stuff soon

Kinda odd seeing how much some classes can do rn

[last jasper]

lmao. bubble, swap and bop

in one pillar go 😄

and they died anyway

[last jasper]

he is playing slayer 2s. I saw his stream

[potent pivot]

Word

I only watched a couple games

[last jasper]

I asked him about shuffle. he said he is not playing . he is playins 2s

anyway. arms is fun

[languid ravine]

lost the first 4 blitz on my DH: 1200 mmr
won the first 5 blitz on my shadow: 2400 mmr

not a joke btw

[stoic lava]

Yea they need to change how much bg blitz mmr fluctuates its insane lol

good news is that itnever really stops so if you win streak later on you will pump to high mmr

[last jasper]

@potent pivot oh, shit. They’ve added blitz. Prolly that’s where some ppl migrated from shuffle

I’m playing since legion and still don’t know what u need to do on the some maps. Just q blitz for artifact appearance or farm honor 😂

[narrow tangle]

why people are going swift death

arent the other talents better

[halcyon timber]

Personal preference

[sharp sierra]

is spriest/hunter/X viable?

[waxen meteor]

Guys what's this new blood DK trick in RBG

That's just sooooo insane

literally remove one healer out of game like wtf

[last jasper]

damn, trill's trickster sub build is nuts

u are like little war but with rogue kit:D

[last jasper]

but u dont need to dance around freaking death mark, just pump

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

Solid deals out there in the trade chat

[potent pivot]

please tell me this is sarcasm

[languid ravine]

Legend says Joshwan is waiting for the mail to this day

[potent pivot]

lol

whaazz complained about this yesterday -> fixed next day

[languid ravine]

I mean they just forgot it

its not a Whazzard conspiracy

[proper heath]

Fixed an issue causing Unnatural Causes to incorrectly increase Black Arrow's direct damage.
Fixed an issue where Aimed Shots from Aspect of the Hydra had a chance to proc Deathblow.
Monk

this matter to MM?

anyone know what this means?

Is my whole team still dead in 1 aim shot?

[languid ravine]

nope only two thirds of them

[potent pivot]

isn't there still a good amount of soft cc that breaks insta

or are all incaps now threshold

[languid ravine]

nope only bad amounts of soft cc that breaks insta

[potent pivot]

no wae !

[languid ravine]

monk paralyse maybe? idontknow

I bet theres a Racial ability somewhere that blizz forgot

[potent pivot]

sap

[languid ravine]

[hybrid palm]

Hey guys, I got my my jackpot illusion , n many thanks to notrickz 😄 n others who offered help to my questions

[potent pivot]

gratz man

[severe helm]

BRO

I HATE

The new change

Lowkey

I think it's cuz in combination with giving stuff like rep no cd

You can just rep as a stun

Straight up

It's fucking op

The cc with cool downs definitely needed it

But honestly it feels like fear and rep and stuff like that just never fucking breaks now

Sleep walk too

God damn its so annoying spammable 0s CD cc that doesn't break on damage is insane

[potent pivot]

At least we got to benefit from it too

So many changes the past couple years have been bad for rogue so it’s nice to get included with a positive change for once

[severe helm]

Yeah I guess it's good to reward healers for cc'ing

But God damn does it not feel balanced

Disc has one aoe fesr that requires being in borderline melee range

And hpal has a spammable rep at 30 yards lol it's insane

[potent pivot]

They need training wheels to teach them how to dispel

Then we’re golden

[severe helm]

Seems like it could be hard to balance in the long term

I still think 3rd Dr needs to be removed

Sick of micro cc

[stiff cedar]

Yeah even long before this change I was playing dev (have swapped off this ssn) and playing the spam sleep pvp talent and triple sleeping someone during either their offensive or our offensives was crazy strong

[outer sky]

anyone have the addon or weakaura that puts the crossed swords next to an enemy frame when hes in combat?

I lost mine

[gleaming pawn]

I have the opposite setup, Better Blizz Plates puts a sap icon on enemy nameplates when they are out of combat

[hybrid sapphire]

does anyone else get the issue where they cant stealth at all? even if they type "/cast stealth"? no debuffs at all?

[last jasper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/2i0aXYYKCs

bloody hell. At one point I had a thought there is something wrong with my pc fr

[potent pivot]

i don't think i've experienced this ngl

[stoic spruce]

I've been experiencing this since DF prepatch

[potent pivot]

i've definitely been experiencing a lot of DCs like the beginning of TWW s1, but i think that 90% of those are attributed to my dogshit ISP

because most of the time my bnet launcher also DCs and reconnects after x period of time

new internet getting installed tomorrow finally so hopefully thats all over with

[last jasper]

its started with 11.1 as said in the post. And you would def notice it

It can even make your whole PC freeze or cause a BSOD if you have multiple displays. That happened to me.
And as someone here mentioned, it got fixed after a Windows update. After I checked I want all lateset update asap in windows settings

lmao. was about to said I wasn't having any the last few days. And it got freezed

and i just entered ss

[stoic spruce]

you said you did when the season launched

[potent pivot]

did i? again i think most of my issues are from my internet tbh

but idk i don't remember

sometimes i DC like 10x per day, some days its all good

[stoic spruce]

I gotta say

if you ever feel burnt out

swapping specs could help

classes

I mean

[potent pivot]

yep

[stoic spruce]

dropped rogue and im actually sad that I got all the loot I could today on my dk

[potent pivot]

i never thought i'd like dh, but its actually fun

now that it actually has had some depth added to its rotation

[stoic spruce]

welp

@ me when outlaw gets changes

lololol

[last jasper]

nothing would save u from awfuly bad healers

[potent pivot]

idk if we will ever see outlaw change away from crackshot at this point

[stoic spruce]

dropped shuffle too

sucka

[last jasper]

managed to 3\3 lobby despite being crashed first round

actually screaming DISPEL mid game

[stoic spruce]

it'll def be a while. These things never stay forever.

theres like 4 things that has been with outlaw forever

[last jasper]

and despite being sceptical about trickster the whole tww. It actually good

[potent pivot]

the biggest pitfalls of trickster sub

are that you can't really control when you break CC

and that it was just less burst

[last jasper]

wdym?

[potent pivot]

now that burst is lower anyway ig that part matters a bit less

[potent pivot]

nimble flurry

[last jasper]

It procs on whoever it wants?

[potent pivot]

no, but it's basically uncontrollable cleave

[last jasper]

Idk about less burst. Or it’s just me being bad. But it does more in trickster. At least sec tec

[potent pivot]

yeah but you trade evis dmg for sec tech dmg

overall it was less burst before the changes

by a decent margin as well

[last jasper]

How big?

Cuz rn both builds does like 2.5 evis max.

The shadow part is a bit lower.

But I also play flag. For the first time since it release in sl 😂

[potent pivot]

idr exact numbers, i think it was like a couple/few mil per stun lock window

right now i think sub build generally doesn't matter much

there's a lot of good options, can just play whatever

[last jasper]

Oh. That it’s just me being bad. Cuz I don’t track death mark stacks. And I wish it was 2 instead of 3

[potent pivot]

dfa consumes 2

[last jasper]

Yea, I know 😂

[potent pivot]

but yeah tracking them is pretty important

[last jasper]

Hard to pass disarm with warrior in every lobby

[potent pivot]

really though as long as you were applying to the right target it wasn't as much thought process as assa DS

[last jasper]

Btw, do u want to use both dances at the opener or leave it?

[potent pivot]

just depends

when running flag you kinda want to

because of how long flag is

but openers can get scuffed etc

[last jasper]

But even without flag. You are wasting badge and shadow blades.

[potent pivot]

i don't even think about badge like that idk

running flag can just be a bit more restrictive

because it can be massive if your go doesn't get scuffed

[last jasper]

I feels so miserable to track stacks, dr and not being micro cc trained during ur goes.

[last jasper]

yea, with flag its pretty much a cd or death if ur go doesn't get scuffed

fuckin blizzard. another lobby got freezed

and I was about to 5-1 or 6 0 it

still 6-0. healer managed to keep me alive

[open thunder]

do all enchants works in pvp

[stoic spruce]

by 50%

[open thunder]

what about consumables

[dim oriole]

Apart from flask of honour, no

They get auto removed when you join a rated game at least

[spring bough]

just found out WQs have a 100 bloody token catchup

hella nice

[jolly sierra]

not when u are already capped F

[outer sky]

I am rogue king

[sharp sierra]

any idea why SS is harder for me on hpal at 1500 mmr than 1800 mmr?

[faint shuttle]

So assasination rogue wanan sue 4 set?

use*

[outer sky]

We don't know yet

[faint shuttle]

Do assination rogue wanan use 4 set in PVP* haha

[outer sky]

We still don't know yet

[last jasper]

.....

[halcyon timber]

Prob queue again at that point

That sucks for sure

[jolly sierra]

we don't know

xd

[last jasper]

I've waited for an hout so I could have a lobby where ppl couldn't live more than a minute

[jolly sierra]

i got one at 15m

1940 mmr

a hunter won 6-0

bruh

more like this pls

[indigo hill]

MM or BM?

[spring bough]

que times taking forever today

[jolly sierra]

MM

BMs are easier to handle

[lilac sigil]

Got question sometimes when I shadow dance I cannot use cheap shot cause game is telling me that im in combat, how to fix that?

[potent pivot]

Shouldn’t happen afaik

Are you using some sort of macro or are you sure cheap shot is on the proper keybind on your stealth bar?

[gilded sand]

with trickster sub coup de grace animation causes gaps with cheapshot. anyone know any solution to this or do we really just have to lose a global?

[lilac sigil]

Im using this macro and my cheap shot is on bar that isnt changing while stealhed #showtooltip cheap shot
/cast [nostealth] Stealth
/stopattack
/cast cheap shot
/stopattack

[potent pivot]

this is probably telling you that you're in combat because it has stealth in it

[potent pivot]

it shouldn't be afaik

[lilac sigil]

I will put normal skill w/o macro and check if problem will disappear

[gilded sand]

its a tiny gap, but its there and people can slip an immunity through your cheapshots on coup gos. i asked nahj about it and hes aware of it

[potent pivot]

coup having a longer gcd was changed

so anything thats left over from that, isn't possible for us to do anything about

if anything is left over it might be some sort of animation stall

[gilded sand]

its def the animation

its infuriating

[severe helm]

Nah they fixed that

Coup is no longer a long gcd

[potent pivot]

idk

zac has been telling me for weeks something feels off about it

[severe helm]

I know for a fact cuz outlaw has a lower gcd and it isn't slower on outlaw

You would t be able to double coup

If that were the case

[potent pivot]

outlaw might force passed the issue during adr

[severe helm]

I mean it's pretty easy to test right?

[potent pivot]

it isn't about the 1.2 sec gcd thing

the gcd was fixed yes

but

some people swear there's some sort of animation lock

[severe helm]

Then how would that cause a gap in cheap shots

[potent pivot]

@open thunder

idk

[severe helm]

Idgi lol if it's not a longer gcd then it's nothing

That's what an animation lock is

[potent pivot]

animation lock

nah

thats not what an animation lock is

[severe helm]

Well what else would it be lol

Either you can't move

Can't press ogcd stucf

Or can't press on gcd stuff

And we're talking about a gap in cheap shot right

So that means longer gcd

[potent pivot]

no

the gcd isn't the point

[severe helm]

Hahaha I'm so fucking lost

[potent pivot]

something can be scuffed

[severe helm]

Well "hidden" gcd

[potent pivot]

its wow

[severe helm]

It's delaying your gce

Gcd

That's what you're saying right

I'm saying that's easy to test

[potent pivot]

basically

i haven't noticed the issue myself

[severe helm]

Yeah I call that a gcd delay lolol

Cuz it delas your gcd

[potent pivot]

but like when zac was playing sub he constantly said he felt it

until like a week ago

[gilded sand]

im not on global but it delays cheapshot by like 0.1s with the weird swish swash animation

for sub at least

[severe helm]

So in this case we're saying it wasn't ever fixed for sub then

[potent pivot]

it could even be something induced by lag

because not that many people have complained about it and i haven't experienced it myself afaik

[potent pivot]

no

the gcd is not 1.2s for any spec

[severe helm]

So it's 1.1s for sub?

[potent pivot]

the gcd rolls in 1s

[severe helm]

Or like 1.05?

[potent pivot]

the gcd swipe

[severe helm]

Or maybe it bugs spell queueing

[potent pivot]

is normal

[severe helm]

And that's what people notice

[potent pivot]

maybe

[severe helm]

Yeah whatever I'm saying it's a gcd lock for 1.1 seconds

The swipe lies

[gilded sand]

its very consistent in my experience if someone is mashing an immunity theyll get it off before the next cheap if youre doing a go with coup

never an issue outside of using coup

[severe helm]

Maybe they're orc lol

[gilded sand]

nothing like that

[severe helm]

Yeah I feel like this is testable very very easily

[gilded sand]

or the normal cheapshot go without coup would slip too

[potent pivot]

can probably find clips of it on nahj's channel

but that would be annoying

[severe helm]

I mean just hit a dummy for 10 seconds and record the log

[open thunder]

it is

bro idk

who started spreading

this missinformation

almost convinced me

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

It's not for outlaw haha

[gilded sand]

dh is an easy example i have issues with, they slip a darkness or a netherwalk in on coup gos

no way that should happen

[open thunder]

it is

check your logs

tell me if you see a coup gcd

of 0.8s

[severe helm]

Okay

[open thunder]

you wont

i checked

[severe helm]

What are you saying it is

[open thunder]

1.2s

with adr its 1s

[open thunder]

1s

[potent pivot]

yeah

[open thunder]

thats with adr

[potent pivot]

ye

[open thunder]

yep

[severe helm]

Aaaah so their fix was just making adr affect it

[open thunder]

adr always affected it

their "fix"

was making us able to cast off gcd

inside it

[potent pivot]

their fix was to not fix

[open thunder]

idk

i remember vaguelly

[potent pivot]

[open thunder]

something about it not being a longer gcd anymore

but

[severe helm]

I remember them making a blue post about it

[open thunder]

that was never a thing

idk

if you can find it

[severe helm]

P sure it originally wasn't even affected by adr

[open thunder]

let me kknow

idk if we all

collectively

[severe helm]

It was SO SO slow before

[open thunder]

dreamed it

or something

[open thunder]

you couldnt queue

[severe helm]

Yeah that part was fixed I remember that one

[open thunder]

so thats basically +0.2s

but ye idk

idk if everyone dreamed

[severe helm]

Apparently

[open thunder]

it was no longer a llonger gcd

cause eleem

did the same

lioke 3 days ago

[potent pivot]

how do i find the build update notes

[open thunder]

yesterday

but then

it wasnt

[severe helm]

Hmmmmmmm

[open thunder]

not from there

idk

[potent pivot]

ik

[potent pivot]

ye sub logs show 1.2s too

[open thunder]

yep

[potent pivot]

zac

new internet is installed !

[open thunder]

sooo

what does this mean

you had shit internet or what

oh trickz

did i tell you

im free now

[potent pivot]

yes it was so shit

[open thunder]

no longer doing pvp anymore

the end of an advanture

adventure

it was a good run with you trickz

[potent pivot]

[open thunder]

i even unmuted the pvp channel for a while

no longer

[potent pivot]

[open thunder]

unless there is cool things to get idk

good transmog or smth ?

[potent pivot]

ofc

[open thunder]

almost went up to 2k trickz !

should i get 2k

what do you get

[potent pivot]

at least get 1800 for the mog

[open thunder]

im 1k9

[potent pivot]

then u should have it alrdy

sec

[open thunder]

this ?

[potent pivot]

ya

!

[open thunder]

oh

but the glad one

is cool

i like the colors

how much is glad

[potent pivot]

thats the conquest gear

you can buy it for free next expansion

[open thunder]

ah ok

[potent pivot]

if u don't want to grind all that conquest

u have marks of honor right

these

[open thunder]

ye i have a lot

[potent pivot]

you can use these to buy any old 'gladiator' set

from any expansion/season

[open thunder]

opkok

[potent pivot]

the only other stuff u can get after 1.8k

is the weapon illusion at 1950

the elite weapon recolors at 2.1k

the elite tabard at 2.4k

then the glad mount at 50 wins above 2.4k in 3s

[open thunder]

ok

[potent pivot]

and the illusion/elite weps are kinda meh this season

[open thunder]

nothing then

[potent pivot]

yea

[open thunder]

@ me when they are good

i might pvp

[potent pivot]

hopefully we get a nice illusion next season

[severe helm]

Yeah all the cosmetic rewards are pretty easy to get

[spring bough]

what addon announces all the enemy CDs

i cant remember and i cant keep listening to this lol

[gleaming pawn]

GladiatorLosSA

[spring bough]

thats what it was ty

[potent pivot]

its so bad if you don't customize it isn't it? lol

i remember trying it a long time ago

[gleaming pawn]

it has like every ability in the game enabled by default, you have to strip everything out of it if you even want to attempt to use it

[spring bough]

im on my 2nd accnt so it isnt customized lol

it was awful sat thru a whole blitz with it on XD

[lucid citrus]

for Assa, is it still good to take Hemotoxin?

murlok shows people not taking it anymore

[potent pivot]

yeah its fine to use still

[potent pivot]

gotta remember people swap pvp talents like every game

[lucid citrus]

yeah I figured that

[jolly sierra]

subjective in the ilussion, it can fit well in some xmogs

imagine using an armor with machinery

i cant fit shadowflame for example in the set from this season for example

[spring bough]

its pretty good on thunderfury

[last jasper]

I agree with panda. Wep illusions are not than bad tbh

[last jasper]

Did u managed to get them?

[jolly sierra]

no yet, i am lazy af

i am 1850 atm, yesterday 1700

patience guys

[jolly sierra]

i rlly like primal storm w TF

[last jasper]

jesus. really. how do need to play when ppl couldn't live longer than 40seconds?

[upbeat bear]

Hey recently got back. Do we play any set bonus as outlaw?

[potent pivot]

yes, 4 set

[last jasper]

???

[halcyon timber]

Do onto others before they do onto you

Bring the fuckening

[indigo hill]

You can't. Damage is too high to manage that compared to the life you have and now every fotm reroller is on their mm hunter. There is about 50 people in shuffle right now over 2.4k as bm and mm. Sub and assa about 25. Sv hunter only 3...

[last jasper]

they are not toching me

ppl just die before my badge is even off cd

[halcyon timber]

Tis an expression

[last jasper]

I just lost a game to fuckin ice form mage lmao

I literally had 3 dances in game

[halcyon timber]

Standard procedure

[last jasper]

and some1 is dead

how on earth can u die in 40 sec?!

[halcyon timber]

Easy when they don’t have their keyboard plugged in

[last jasper]

this is the first time I just left the lobby

I’ll just pay -150 mmr than playing shit like this

I’m officially tilted

[languid ravine]

I cant even afford weapon enchants xd

is Rank 2 good enough perhaps

[potent pivot]

better than nothing

do some weekly caches or WQs for some gold lol

[languid ravine]

ah wait its so obvious

I ll just sell bloodstones -_-

[potent pivot]

that too lol

[velvet junco]

Hey guys. Fairly new to rogue. How is Outlaw in PVP?

[potent pivot]

its okay

[velvet junco]

guessing better to go Sub?

[potent pivot]

?

all 3 specs are good

[velvet junco]

Ah was more wondering what people finding better atm since the Outlaw changes. Or if Sub is substatially better or something.

[potent pivot]

none of them are substantially better than the other

[spring bough]

this game feels dead lol

cant even fill a 40 team for an epic bg lol

[languid ravine]

if you queue epic bgs you have a 5% chance to play with psycho premades and a 85% chance to play against psycho premades

[sharp sierra]

There are epic premade bgs?

Cringe

[strange holly]

how are sub rogues in pvp right now?

[severe helm]

good

[severe helm]

bro that is a dead past time within a dying game

no shit

[spring bough]

already 1600 on my 2nd acct and still dont have weps lol

[jolly sierra]

what bout the remaining 10%

[sharp sierra]

wow:

[spring bough]

what is that

[sharp sierra]

a thing

[jolly sierra]

not a panda clearly

[fossil sierra]

warrior or monk for alt what yall think?

[stoic lava]

Go outlaw because more fun

depends what bracket you play though

[halcyon timber]

Roll another rogue. This is our way.

[spring bough]

rival on acct 2 still no weps lol

not even max on bloody tokens or conquest still 1k off on both lmao

[stoic spruce]

just a heads up, youre going to be waiting a while

theyre rarely good

[sharp sierra]

how are mistweavers these days in arena?

[stoic spruce]

annoying

[sharp sierra]

does that mean good? bad?

[jolly sierra]

does smoke bomb has CD reduction as sub?

[pastel burrow]

no

[jolly sierra]

why i've seen a guy doing 2 in less than 3m? xd

[lucid citrus]

that sub is probably playing trickster with the talent cloudcover

[pastel burrow]

he brought an extra smoke bomb

[grave basin]

playing epic bg in 2k25 is epic troll

too many premades ruined it and it's better to queue blitz

[jolly sierra]

does they share animation?

[lucid citrus]

yess it does

[jolly sierra]

dammit

[lucid citrus]

I thought it would also be like a smoke bomb, but tested it and it just shares the same animation

[jolly sierra]

is basically a gaslight

[lucid citrus]

mhmm so you could play some mindgames on the enemy team lol

[jolly sierra]

i see, i see lol

[halcyon timber]

Just cloud cover, green poisonous tint and a far larger radius. Not a true smoke bomb. Only applies fazed, no los mechanics. Just a nice distraction tool and catches people off guard at times.

[halcyon timber]

They are still good, the solid ones can hang really well with all the other healers.

[ionic orbit]

Do you guys use flagellation? why or why not?

[jolly sierra]

gotcha

[sharp sierra]

Do they do fistweaver ?

[real socket]

For assa whats a good build for 2v2? Could someone link it

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/3v3#talents-specialization

same standard build used in 3s/shuffle

can drop SBS+doomblade for kingsbane+master assassin

[velvet junco]

I'm very new to rogue. Was thinking switching to assas and learning for 2v2 and shuffle

[gusty hedge]

best choice, sin is very beginner friendly. If you like rogue after that you can swap and learn law/sub

[velvet junco]

Yeah cheers. I liked Outlaw in concept but gotta learn to get good at rogue basics first i think

[gusty hedge]

for sure Get Alot of Target Dummy practice in on your opener's, Rotation, & burst. From there it'll be situational depending on what class you're up against.

[last jasper]

is there a way to make party frames separated?

[halcyon timber]

I wouldn’t know specifics but yeah lots of hybrid builds for all that due to Mystical

[last jasper]

Seems there is none

[halcyon timber]

Dunno about that other than maybe “move anything” or through shadow frames where you would have to manually adjust each anchor. The thing is that is a container for all and the only option through the default ui / addon ui help is likely going to be no more than an Offset function.

[halcyon timber]

Yes some people do, it is all up to you in the end. It provides a good chunk if mastery still without being ridiculous and the damage can be decent too. Definitely not to be slept on and is a playstyle preference . If you like it then roll with it man.

[austere walrus]

Heya! New to sub PvP. Is there a 'How to play' guide you'd recommend, that isn't paywalled (skillcapped)?

Did look through the pinned messages

[halcyon timber]

Just check out different people’s streams like Nahj and such as he often answers questions and tells you why he chooses x y z etc

[austere walrus]

Alright

[last jasper]

okay, I'll convert it back to party frames instead of raid then

[halcyon timber]

Yeah all self exploration regarding solutions i assume

[austere walrus]

Could do with some basic information to start off with, if there is such a guide. Don't know how good it'd be to rely on Icy Veins

[halcyon timber]

Usually individuals refer to their streams as a live guide if that makes sense. People don’t usually make guides as the game has evolved in many ways past “always do x “ nonsense as many classes gained tools between even df and now

[halcyon timber]

You can always check those suggestions or wowhead articles as a very basic understanding and then build up by asking here or stream / vod reviews and the community is usually pretty dang cool here in pvp

[austere walrus]

Okay. Then I'll start there and build. Thank you

[halcyon timber]

No sweat. any further questions or suggestions needed please ask

There is just a lot of “it depends” and always has been since the beginning of time concerning rogue life. You will understand that as you grow in it. The garbage of “rogue is just op” is usually by dumbasses who trinket sap in 2025 and refuse to use buttons appropriately

[austere walrus]

Appreciated

[halcyon timber]

Yeah man, no sweat

[austere walrus]

I'm looking at running blitz mainly. Would it make sense to focus a lot on controlling the enemy team?

[halcyon timber]

Yes, would recommend analyzing for a moment and just go. Don’t get analysis paralysis about it

Destabilizing teams is what us rogues do while the main body crashes teams

[austere walrus]

I see. Okay

[halcyon timber]

Just remember to keep practicing, don’t get frustrated, and have fun .

If you’re getting ticked, take a break

[austere walrus]

[halcyon timber]

You’re gonna go far kid as the offspring say

[gusty hedge]

shit still has me laughing😂

[halcyon timber]

Why’s that?

Skunking the weird kids who hang out in durotar all day eating member’ berries?

XD

Dunno what’s up with the forums screeching OutlAw SucKz when plenty of our people here are skunking people bad

[pastel burrow]

crazy lobby

[dark kernel]

What the fuck MMR is that

[vapid field]

How do I craft it? I guess I need someone to craft it, right?

[pastel burrow]

was just doing a skirmish with a friend

3 subs, 1 outlaw, 2 discs

fucking noodle meme match

[dark kernel]

Okay. I was going to say I have never seen a four Rogue shuffle lobby

[vocal surge]

I see this as an absolute win

[austere walrus]

You're creating a crafting order for someone else to fulfil for you

If you want to craft it yourself, you need to use the jewelcrafting bench, and have the skill etc

[vapid field]

But I have no idea what commission to give

[austere walrus]

You probably want to look for a crafter, before you put the order up

[vapid field]

How hard is it to level up crafting?

[austere walrus]

Not very. But you'll then need the recipe (and skill if you want to max the craft, which is irrelevant for PvP)

[vocal surge]

The hardest part about crafting is the time

[jolly sierra]

and the gold

u need to spend some to raise the skill

[spring bough]

i love outlaw rogue

[dark kernel]

Same

I had COVID all weekend

Barely got to play

[spring bough]

disc priest just made me DC on the fifth round and lose.,... sooo had to go him for last round and kill him LOL

[waxen meteor]

Mind control?

[spring bough]

yup

[waxen meteor]

real game winning cc

Kick priority 1000%

[pliant mauve]

I just put 1k. No matter what it will be the highest PvP ilvl and someone will do it.

[waxen meteor]

Tbh for alt I normally just put like 700 gold, the final star doesn’t matter for pvp, someone always picked it up in 15 mins

And plenty of time it ends up 4 stars or higher anyway

[pliant mauve]

Yeah for real. The 1k is probably excessive.

[jolly sierra]

i gotta do a daily shuffle, a daily skirmish and a daily blitz, i need gold

[waxen meteor]

It’s nothing about tips more generous or whatever, just simple market

I try a daily blitz win for honor lol

The blood stone market is crazy

[pliant mauve]

Last season I would farm those pink/purple swirlies while waiting for queue and made a shitload of gold.

[waxen meteor]

Tbh do world pvp might be faster as rogue

The bounty target has really high chance to drop blood stone

And as rogue you hardly need to do anything

Just sit there and watch

[sharp sierra]

anyone know the addon that puts the healer icon role or dps role over people's head in arena?

cuz i cant see people for shit when healing in 3sx

[pliant mauve]

lol what realm are you on where you even see bounties. I can’t remember the last time I actually saw that. I’m on moonguard and the only place that has horde is Undermine and even then I rarely see it.

Prob a weak aura like https://wago.io/9NgygFwwR

[waxen meteor]

Sweepo or sth

I forgot, but that creator is in my guild

[sharp sierra]

sweepyboop

whats sth?

[waxen meteor]

Yes this one

I mean I don’t remember exactly how it spells

And I really like the healer cced warning too

[sharp sierra]

yeah nice

i just need to see my teammates and the ingamer icons suck

[spring bough]

what char should i level up to pvp with

monk?

[jolly sierra]

ret

[noble venture]

How much DPS should a good outlaw be able to pump single target rn?

[slow dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-its-over9000-dbz-dragon-ball-z-gif-22240874

[sharp sierra]

mage

[spring bough]

how are boomkins these days

[jolly sierra]

piñatas

[noble venture]

thanks boss

[outer sky]

Guys this is such a fun game

[spring bough]

ferals?

[outer sky]

I love queueing my 1st lobby in full greens and no enchants at 2450 mmr

what a stupid mechanic

why would it put me at that mmr

[vocal surge]

600k - 850k overall

On the PvP Training Dummy (ST), 1.4 - 1.6M DPS

[jaunty osprey]

Weird thing to be said

Your other rogue benefited from the same thing because you played when everyone was in full greens

The new season dropped everyone’s MMR by 600 from end of preseason and then with natural inflation, it went up a bit from that

That’s natural every season when there’s a soft reset

Soft resets between seasons is to put people at their appropriate skill level faster instead of beginners getting curb stomped at the start of each season

It’s a good system if we’re keeping with numeric rating/MMR

[noble venture]

ty

[lilac sigil]

Any tips how to play vs Sub as Assa in arena?

[outer sky]

My other rogues were fine because they climbed when nobody had gear. Now I'm 7 or 8 ilvls behind everyone I'm queueing into

[spring bough]

what level does druid travel form become flight form

[vocal surge]

20

[vapid field]

I love that this question was asked on Rogue PVP channel 😆

Tired of rogue?

[spring bough]

leveling up an alt lol

[vocal surge]

Tradeskill alt?

[severe helm]

thats why I havent queued yet on my main lol

I wana get fully geared first

scared of what mmr ill be at

[spring bough]

random dungeons pretty busy rn lots of people leveling lol

[spring bough]

just for fun

[vocal surge]

Ah

[last jasper]

hm, I wonder, do u wanna press 2nd symbols for darkest night evis?

[last jasper]

how long is the priest's dispel? 10 sec?

[narrow tangle]

sure

with new echoing

[last jasper]

I just haven't seen anyone do this nor skillcapped vid didn't say u need to

but even on the dummy it doubles the dam

[gleaming pawn]

@potent pivot any ideas roughly how far behind Fatebound is for Sin? I'm very bored of Deathstalker and marks and bullshit

[potent pivot]

It’s fine, generally speaking

It’s definitely like 10%+ percent behind in cleave, but the ST isn’t terrible

[vapid field]

I guess I'm good at pvp 😢

[jolly sierra]

relax is just ur 1st match

in shuffle

[last jasper]

idk how ppl play in sub 2k

9/10 healer are with brain damage

[dark kernel]

everyone has brain damage

i have dual focusing lens and no gems atm on my alt rogue

lol

[last jasper]

I mean. Or i sit pillar and kill what I can reach or step or I just rp walk

sit in all roots

fears, dispellable stuns etc

and if u do sit pillar (even if u have one) ur second guy just doing me smash in the middle of the map and dies

and it would be nothing if only u could just hop into the next one. But no, u sit 30min q

[vapid field]

I do!

Too many things happening at once

[vapid field]

Yeah, the queues are painful

[last jasper]

Me too. Should’ve just log in to my mage and just bully ppl drinking tea

[vapid field]

I want to try subtlety on casual bgs too. Assa is fun but sometimes I wish I had more burst damage

[last jasper]

But no. I try play so sub. So my healer in fucking 3.22minute game pressed dispel 9 times. And none of them on me

Against dk and frost mage

[vapid field]

Sounds like a lovely match up for rogue 😅

[last jasper]

yes. and I waited for this shit for 25minutes

[loud ember]

is holy a good partner for ass rogue in 2s? considering the holy meta

[sharp sierra]

does anyone know if any comps worth with MW monk/Hunter

[severe helm]

tbh im pretty sure below 2400, the dps are the dumbest people in the lobby by far

[severe helm]

wtf can you dispel from a dk

[vapid field]

What happened?

I finally started doing something and I got a draw?

What does it mean?

[loud ember]

someone left the game?

[vapid field]

Probably hunter by looking at the rating. I was sitting on him for two rounds lol

My damage still sucks though

But I was waiting for him to open 1st

Not sure if that was a good move

[loud ember]

depends on a lot of things but its usually not a good idea to hold the opener for too long

[vapid field]

is it better to attack the dps or the healer on solo shuffle?

[loud ember]

depends

[severe helm]

usually dps

but in lower ratings training the healer can work

esp if youre a double melee

but gotta be careful cuz its gona make it very hard for your healer ot heal you if youre pushing in super far onto their healer

[last jasper]

70% snare at least?

[severe helm]

its not dispellable buddy

chains of ice cant be dispelled

[last jasper]

Ah yes, clearly my healer comment was secretly about DPS all along.

[severe helm]

hahaha

[last jasper]

that was a shoot in the foot

[severe helm]

I think everyone should be forced to heal

it will help you to play for your healer

esp classes that dont have any support buttons often have a really narrow mindset on how the game works

[last jasper]

I genuinely dont know how to play this game anymore

[severe helm]

play healer for like 10 games and youll be complaining about how dumb dps are too lolol

[last jasper]

Are u a healer main or why every response is projecting onto dps?

[severe helm]

im a dps main

outlaw and shadow priest

I do play healer though when I have to

but definitely not my main

I just try to acknowledge the whole picture haha

in this case complaining about your healer when being kited by frost dk frost mage

is very misplaced

should be complaining about frost dk and frost mage

nothing but an hpal can help you there

[last jasper]

the last thing u want to complain about is frost dk

[severe helm]

and even the hpal freedom will just get spell stolen by the mage

[severe helm]

totally disagree

fuck frost dk

[last jasper]

they were fucked since legion

let them play at least 1 season

[severe helm]

frost dk dev is probably the most toxic comp to play into

[last jasper]

plus, what with frost dks?

[severe helm]

completely low effort brain off class

[last jasper]

so what? ther is like 3 ppl playing fdk rn

[last jasper]

why?

[severe helm]

popularity isnt really relevant when discussing if a spec has a toxic design

[severe helm]

cuz they have freedom

[last jasper]

and there is nothing priest can't do against roots and slow?

like grip me or something?

[last jasper]

I can understand why devo is toxic. but fdk, fr?

[severe helm]

cuz it plays around running in between goes then going for insane CDs that kill through defensives

with a bunch of micro cc

and aoe cc

like theres not many specs where you can die through a 50% wall

[last jasper]

What micro cc?

[severe helm]

short cc

so that even if yout rinket

youre gona get hit with another cc

they have blind, 2 stuns, and a silence in their go