pvp

[dark kernel]

EHH

I have 16% right now

and im feeling starved some times

but I just had a straight 2 minute test dummy window where the WA never had me KIR

my rolls were that dog shit

even with 4pc

[potent pivot]

how is your adr uptime etc

[dark kernel]

mine is bad

[potent pivot]

kir is different

btw

[dark kernel]

yeah my first time playing it

my hand hurts

[potent pivot]

trickster/HO/supercharger

is 15-16%

kir is still 18-19%

[dark kernel]

oh maybe I should move my neck to haste

[vocal surge]

Aye

[vocal surge]

Want me to stream KIR for ya to learn?

[potent pivot]

or stay HO

[dark kernel]

if you want I am able to get 1.1M on target dummy up to 1.25M

i just think im making mistakes

maybe using some stuff at wrong time

[vocal surge]

Aye

im in Two-Person-1

[severe helm]

haste isnt very relevant for energy regen tbh

KiR feels starved when you drop buffs/lose adr

if you follow builder/spender rules very well then you can get very high adr uptime

but outside of that always feels bad

[jolly sierra]

uh

[severe helm]

it really is bonkers

esp as trickster

[narrow finch]

is ass rogue going 4 set in s2?

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

according to murlok.io

ppl is aiming to 2set

[potent pivot]

we haven't gotten the last catalyst charge yet

so you can't really go off that until we do

[jolly sierra]

remember than some of them are raiding too

so can get the max ilvl version of the pve version

[severe helm]

I dont thinkt hat many of them are mythic raiding lol

[jolly sierra]

in mythic+ that works too

[severe helm]

yeah if youre lucky

I also dont think that many of them are farming +10s in m+ either lol

[potent pivot]

yeah not many people are pve'ing for set

[severe helm]

you cant make any interpretations from murlok yet

haev to wait

the thing is, unless the stats are horrendously bad, 4 set is pretty free

[jolly sierra]

welp

monk is using 4set rn

in WW

[severe helm]

and assa doesnt really hate any stats that much

[potent pivot]

17/50 people

[jolly sierra]

that is a sign

BMs are doing that too

[potent pivot]

not even 17

[jolly sierra]

so?

they are still aiming for 4

[potent pivot]

8 people

compared to 5 assa using 4 set

whether they're aiming for it or not is kinda irrelevant right

[jolly sierra]

https://murlok.io/warlock/affliction/solo

what about this?

[potent pivot]

if everyone knows its good enough to use, like outlaw 4set, then its whatever

basically no one has tested assa/sub 4sets on live

[jolly sierra]

the thing is

[potent pivot]

so its just all kinda irrelevant

[jolly sierra]

you can have an idea

to what are aiming for

as you watch the stats

[potent pivot]

nah

[jolly sierra]

they can be more after a week

aff is using 4 rn

[potent pivot]

most people don't even know that assa's 4set tooltip is incorrect

[jolly sierra]

so, what it the thing about it?

they had enough time to test in PTR

[potent pivot]

ptr and live aren't the same thing

you realize that right

[jolly sierra]

neither for testing the tiers?

as they place the multiplier?

[potent pivot]

you know why we weren't able to test assa/sub 4 sets on ptr or?

[jolly sierra]

impress me

[potent pivot]

they were both too broken to test

the entire ptr

[jolly sierra]

is that so?

xd

[potent pivot]

yeah lol

[jolly sierra]

even when we have the pvp multiplier?

[potent pivot]

assa 4set was basically a dps loss even in pve

[jolly sierra]

well

that is it then

[potent pivot]

the pvp modifiers have nothing to do with it man

[jolly sierra]

u replied everything

xd

[potent pivot]

no, it isn't

[jolly sierra]

ye, if is a dps loss even in PVE

then is a waste

in 4set

[potent pivot]

you aren't listening

at all

[jolly sierra]

i am

[potent pivot]

no

it has been fixed since then

it was not working properly on ptr

[jolly sierra]

so, its decent now?

[potent pivot]

so testing was a waste of time

[potent pivot]

yeah lol

sub's 4set was so giga OP that you spammed rupture to not drop stacks outside of dance

but that was also fixed

the only set that didn't really change is outlaw's

[jolly sierra]

i am reading the 4set

and dividing it at half

[potent pivot]

they just kinda let assa/sub sets be bugged as fuck the entirety of the ptr so we got no real data for them

[jolly sierra]

i don't think it worth as assa

[potent pivot]

the 4set is basically +18.75% damage for 10 seconds

[jolly sierra]

in PVE?

[potent pivot]

in pvp

[potent pivot]

yes i know the tooltips

[jolly sierra]

are you sure are not the max stacks for 2 seconds and a 25% additional effect?

[potent pivot]

it is 10 seconds

the tooltip is incorrect

[jolly sierra]

do you have it?

[potent pivot]

and the duration is not halved

yes i have it

[jolly sierra]

in 4?

[potent pivot]

yes man

you can also ask any pve assa rogue

the tooltip is incorrect

[jolly sierra]

i am banished from there after an arguing

for realz

so i don't get back there

[potent pivot]

even in game the tooltip says 4s but the buff duration is 10s

they just forgot to change the tooltip ig

[jolly sierra]

how weird

[potent pivot]

and the only pvp modifier is on the 50% additional effect damage portion

[jolly sierra]

i wanna see after some weeks, but TBH i hope is not as crappy as s1 4set

[languid ravine]

blitz bg in 2025 at 2400 mmr: my team losing zerg 4v7 while half their team is sapped stunned silenced

[potent pivot]

so the 2set is 30%*0.5=15%
and the 4set is 25% of 15%=3.75%
so a total of 18.75%

[languid ravine]

joke world

[jolly sierra]

i thought

would be a 18,75 by the 4set itself

if you are aiming for 3,75% more dmg

you can get enough from versa and mastery, right?

[potent pivot]

the not dropping for 10s is also important

just 2set is lower uptime

adding the 4set increases the uptime of the 18.75%

[languid ravine]

I dont think you can lose 4% dps from changing stats tbh

[jolly sierra]

s1 4set as assa did

[potent pivot]

not quite

[jolly sierra]

it did, you had 5% more overall dmg in vers/mastery

[potent pivot]

s1 assa 4p was basically neutral

no

thats not correct at all

[jolly sierra]

vs like a 4% in garrote, rupture and CT

just in that

[potent pivot]

my guy

[jolly sierra]

i checked the weights

comparing them

in pvp scale

back in the day

[potent pivot]

i cba

[jolly sierra]

so don't say anything

[potent pivot]

you have no idea what you're talking about then i guess man

[jolly sierra]

i didn't?

i have the tooltip here

[potent pivot]

losing 5% of vers/mast is not that same as losing 5% damage

if you are also gaining a set bonus and some crit/haste

[jolly sierra]

just barely a 1%

doesn't matter

its verse mastery raising the dmg from ALL bleedings and poisons

vs some few haste and crit

and an increase boost

for some secs

from garrote, CT and rupture

[potent pivot]

then why did so many people use the 4set

hmm?

[languid ravine]

if its close you can argue the vers dmg reduce is more valuable too

[jolly sierra]

then why ivanrah used 2 and reached r1 anyways?

why i got 2k1 using 2?

hmm?

[potent pivot]

you can get 2.1 in fucking green gear

[languid ravine]

played well maybe

:d

[jolly sierra]

not at all

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

don't make it sound easy

[potent pivot]

it is easy

[jolly sierra]

is not

barely a few % reached duelist in last season

so don't talk like that, trickz

[potent pivot]

he also used 4 sometimes

btw

it just does not matter

changes in gear within ~1% dmg

do not matter

[jolly sierra]

its a 5%

xd

[potent pivot]

it isn't

thats just straight incorrect

[jolly sierra]

it is

i checked it

[potent pivot]

i really can't with you

think whatever you want

it's incorrect

[jolly sierra]

do it

i am not the only one disagreeing with u anyways most of time

[potent pivot]

why do i care

?

[jolly sierra]

you are the one which reply to us most of time too dude

[potent pivot]

i've had these discussions with ivan and other r1s since thats all you seem to care about

[jolly sierra]

so i think u care xd

[potent pivot]

i point out incorrect shit

yep

[jolly sierra]

incorrect and just making deaf ears to most of us as you hear everything from other sources even when we called you off

it happened in the past

[potent pivot]

???

[jaunty osprey]

I can use 0 set

and still get the same rating

dont follow what i do

just do what works for you

in pvp you can gain 5% damage just by keeping your bleeds up and using pandemicing properly

or you can gain 5% damage by not wasting your shadowsteps

or you can gain 5% damage just pressing cheapshot on every vanish

[jolly sierra]

the thing is

[jaunty osprey]

no one notices 5% damage themselves, you can always just do more dam in pvp, so who cares if 2 Set vs 4 set is a small gain or loss

There is no way to measure any of this in pvp since we don’t have close to 80% uptime

[jolly sierra]

tier isn't that noticeable anymore

is not like s1 DF WW monk set or our assa one

in that season

so i don't think u should aim for too much tier unless its noticeable

that is my point

and about the greens

most players won't get 2k1 w that

xd

[jaunty osprey]

If it suits the style you’re playing

4 set can be good

[jolly sierra]

i will test that, but TBH i was dissapointed with s1 4set

[jaunty osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1348492561680961557/1349185813191331991/image.png?ex=67e54c74&is=67e3faf4&hm=5dfb2a30517256d945ecf7b8a36042f98ae392e4e31a66fbfd2e3dbf25070567&

my last season envenom build

NOT amp poison

[jolly sierra]

6.5 oof

how u did that?

DFA?

[jaunty osprey]

if you have 4 set 10 stacks procced

DFA

you can get higher

that was also without 678 weps

[potent pivot]

amp poison go brrr

insane 6.5 w/o it

[jaunty osprey]

Shiv DFA

sub 35%

[potent pivot]

and 4set yeah

[jaunty osprey]

Above 35% was like

[potent pivot]

thats the diff from last time

[jaunty osprey]

4.5M or smth

[jolly sierra]

zoldyck

basically

[jaunty osprey]

yes but can still chunk without

essentially saying u can play 2 set or 4 set

none of it matters

[potent pivot]

that was symbolic?

[jaunty osprey]

Ya

[potent pivot]

yeh

[jolly sierra]

i miss DF s1 tier dude

[potent pivot]

since testing lingering in duels is aids

[jaunty osprey]

Lingering can go brr

[potent pivot]

lingering slaps yeah

[jaunty osprey]

Especially with

kingsbane

[jolly sierra]

oh fuuuck

i think will spend 6k so i buy a socket w 10k honor

so i enable my embellishments

[jaunty osprey]

It’s gonna stay at 5.5k to 6k for a few weeks

[jolly sierra]

fair

i will start rated after buying the gem

[jaunty osprey]

Might as well buy now

[jolly sierra]

and getting my 1st socket

i won't waste this

and i prefer to play comfortable before SS

[jaunty osprey]

WHERE’S THE ENGLISH AT

[jolly sierra]

OHHHHHH I SPEAK 2 LANGUAGES SORRY

HAHAHAH

its the elemental lens bonus

[jaunty osprey]

Focusing lens has been popping off

this season for me

[jolly sierra]

it slaps hard?

[jaunty osprey]

600k hits

[jolly sierra]

i really wanna it again

[jaunty osprey]

noncrit

[jolly sierra]

cuz it scored a lot in my details

alongside depths

i am close

[jaunty osprey]

3 skirmishes

[potent pivot]

ring makes you flip on nelf every jump

[jolly sierra]

basically

fair, i am buying the gem meanwhile

i will refund it w the shuffle matches

[potent pivot]

ring can also roll like 6.5k mastery > 1k vers

kinda massive

[jolly sierra]

fair, i finish the skirmishes and go shuffle

i wanna the 1st piece of tier, the vers/mast one

[true warren]

is replicating shadows kinda bugged in pvp? too often 2 players are within melee range and rupture just don't apply to the second guy.

and with too often i mean every third time easily

[potent pivot]

shouldn't be bugged nah

it has smart targeting as well so like

if there's a pet closer to your target, it may apply it to that pet

the 20% rupture dmg is kinda more important

[true warren]

oh that makes sense. i noticed it 2 times now against a BM. Could've been the case all the time actually

[potent pivot]

most likely

the range isn't huge either but its decent

[trail ice]

decent works for you right

or would you rather huge

[hidden moth]

5mil

over poiwer

in a shuffl

wtaf

[potent pivot]

[formal pebble]

Socket question

I have my tier helm varnished for pvp and pve use

but I got a socketed non tier that im pondering using the catalyst on for pve. Can I use the pvp socketing item on my current helm thats been varnished instead to save the catalyst charge?

[hidden moth]

people in 1900 lobbies telling me im dog shit when i have sub 12 hours on this class as a whole is fucking hillarious

imagine trash talking someone playing at ur level while they have sub 12 hours on the class they are playing XD

and in mostly honor gear 0 enchants

[languid ravine]

so what you re saying is they are in fact correct?

[jolly sierra]

so, how this shit deleted me in 2 seconds from 100 to 0?

[potent pivot]

sorry what

you have a socketed pvp helm-non tier
and a tier helm you varnished for pvp already

it would be a big waste to catalyze the socketed helm if you already have a pvp ilvl tier helm

sockets are so tiny and unimpactful

as long as you have the pvp gem and 1 stat gem socketed somewhere else for focusing lens don't worry about sockets

sockets have never been as unimportant as they are this expansion

[formal pebble]

Thanks!

[jolly sierra]

so, what is this?

[severe helm]

tier

so you dont have to use more catalyst charges

you can convert your pve tier

to pvp ilvl

[potent pivot]

it adds pvp ilvl scaling

to pve items

[severe helm]

its a very nice feature

10/10

[jolly sierra]

ah, basically is a bridge for pve items

ye, sounds nice, maybe will go LFR

[potent pivot]

you can also get tier in vault from delve/world quest vault slots

[hidden moth]

and keys

[potent pivot]

ye but thats a known thing

the delve/wq shit is sorta new right

[hidden moth]

idk

i havnt done a single delve this season

[potent pivot]

don't you pve?

[hidden moth]

yeah

[potent pivot]

there's some really good trinkets from them

[hidden moth]

i plus 2 a 10 mechagon

[potent pivot]

and then the tier chance in vault ofc

[hidden moth]

no there isnt

not ilvl

[potent pivot]

yes there is

[hidden moth]

if they aint mythic track

they ass

[potent pivot]

not quite

[hidden moth]

dh tanks ya

[potent pivot]

some of them even on hero track are on par with myth trinkets

for havoc/rogue

[gleaming sentinel]

That turbo drain 5000 sims higher for me than any trinket I can get that isn’t myth as outlaw

[potent pivot]

yeh

its kinda surprising how good a few of them are

[hidden moth]

i dont pl;ay havok

[potent pivot]

that and just the tier set in vault

is big enough to do em

[potent pivot]

ye ik

[hidden moth]

ya but

[potent pivot]

i don't play tanks

[severe helm]

delve cant drop tier

[hidden moth]

vault only gives hero track for delves

not mythic

[potent pivot]

in vault yes it can

[severe helm]

are you sure?

[potent pivot]

yes

[severe helm]

I was explicitly told it doesnt

[potent pivot]

1000% sure

i have a tier piece sitting in a delve slot

right now

[severe helm]

haha okay good to know

[hidden moth]

ya homies in discord confirmed it drops tier in vault

[severe helm]

but still also fuck delves

[hidden moth]

but for me delves is ass bc

[severe helm]

theyre just bad content sadly

[hidden moth]

hero track tier isnt = mythic

and im clearing 12s

[potent pivot]

its just good if you don't have set yet

[severe helm]

yeah

half my tier is champ track lol

worth

[potent pivot]

if you already have hero tier then ye its w/e

[hidden moth]

outside of crests to upgrade/ getting actuall bis stated pieces ive almost outgrown hero track

[severe helm]

im glad they nerfed noggen

[potent pivot]

i haven't been raiding

so like

any chance at tier i'm taking

[hidden moth]

i dont raid either lol

[severe helm]

yeah I just pug 6/8 heroic raid

if you do it on tuesday

theres so many groups

[potent pivot]

i'm not

shit was so sick

[severe helm]

I dont like required gear

[hidden moth]

ive done half of normal once and a whole normal once xd

[severe helm]

esp when it comes from content that isnt part of the "fun/main" parts of the game

[potent pivot]

the day we found out noggen was good

i dropped it

[potent pivot]

then i kept dropping them

[jolly sierra]

alright i refunded the bloodstone

gg

[stoic spruce]

According to blizz, it is a new main part of the game.

[potent pivot]

they're nice for initial/catch up gearing

that's about it

[stoic spruce]

I'm just glad they made something similar to visions/torghast etc evergreen. They always did a good job with them. (Obviously not torghast at launch but at the end it was great)

[severe helm]

I wish they made them more compelling

[keen canopy]

Yeah I have a character i do delves on for the sake of achievements and the mount from the nemesis guys and like they're just so easy I never feel like i'm ever in any danger of dying in a delve especially since they made tier 11 easier

[severe helm]

their method of making them difficult is just increasing mobs white hit damage and hp

its very lazy

[keen canopy]

yeah especially with the nemesis guy i havent fought the underpin yet but the only reason zekvir was "hard" was because literally everything 1 shot you

even a crit melee from him did like millions and millions of damage

not because his mechanics were actually engaging or challenging in anyway

every boss mechanic is "dont stand in the silly circle!" or "don't stand in front of him!" so every boss is essentially the same

[stoic spruce]

Honestly that's more of a game wide problem. A lot of raid bosses, save for this tier since I haven't played it yet, feel pretty samey to me.

[severe helm]

underpin is very easy

and yeah they could have made the difficulty more like mage tower esque

which would have been a lot cooler/more fun imo

[keen canopy]

i havent fought him yet is he basically just zekvir 2 electric boogaloo or what

[severe helm]

but they went the lazy route

hes just a strong mob

he has no design

[keen canopy]

riveting

[severe helm]

the actual delve fight is slightly more interesting

but the one that shows up in your delves

is just an elite mob

very boring

[keen canopy]

well yeah i've dealt with that one before but i mean the actual delve fight in the thunderdome or whatever it's called

[severe helm]

ah yeah that ones slightly harder

lots of dodging

lots of aoes

[keen canopy]

yeah but is he hard because he's hard or is his hard because you got hit 1 time by an attack so now you take 10 morbillion damage

[severe helm]

little of both

he doesnt hit that hard

mostly just lots of aoes that 1 shot you

but theyre all dodgeable

its def more interesting than any of the delve fights

[keen canopy]

yeah because with zekvir it was like he would crit me for a morbillion and obviously his AoEs oneshot you but i dont think i died to those more than like three times

of course i only fought him as rogue i didn't do it as mage or anything like that where I'm sure it's a little easier

yeah all the delve fights are like
Necrotic Bolt hits me for 3 million damage
and that's blizzards idea of a tough encounter i guess

[hidden moth]

gonna be interesting

nvm

[dark kernel]

The sub is the 1-5 isn't he

[hidden moth]

yes

[dark kernel]

Many such cases

[hidden moth]

what comes first boys the 1800 set or the conq weapon

[hidden moth]

i ahte how inconsistent arcane mages are

either they eat shti or they give u diddy treatment

[wary thistle]

random but did stealth get a nerf or something? seems like people are seeing me more easily these days

[potent pivot]

Nope

[wary thistle]

kk prob just hunters seeing me on minimap then or somethin

[potent pivot]

hunters also have slightly better stealth detection than us

but

prolly just lucky with flares and such

[wary thistle]

yea it's just getting picked out of nowhere, no flare. i've used the detect stealth on my hunter, just not that good with it i guess

[stoic spruce]

I got chest tier from vault

im so spiced up rn

[hidden moth]

nasty

[dark kernel]

Hunters having camo be as good as rogue stealth and having increased stealth sight is my #1 most bullshit detector thing that blizz ever added.

and I played back when you needed this for matches

[hidden moth]

meh

[hidden moth]

camo isnt as good as rogue stealth 1 has a duration and a minute cd

the other is infinite and has a 2 second cd

[dark kernel]

i mean in terms of visibility its equal

you have to be right on top of a hunter to see them

[hidden moth]

also hunters dont get true sight

sure flare but

thats predictible and out playable

also hunters have had flare since launch of the gamei n 2004

[hidden moth]

also sure but same with feral druids and shadowmeld

[severe helm]

how many catalyst charges should I have this week?

[stoic spruce]

2

[pliant spoke]

Why arent more assassination rogues using caustic spatter in BGB and rss?

Surely that causes more dmg since it hits up to 5 players each time you mut than using kidney once every 20s

[potent pivot]

because it requires you to use deadly poison

internal bleeding also works off of rupture

[pliant spoke]

but we're not taking amplifying poison

so we're already using deadly

use deadly + hemotoxin for healing reduction

[hidden moth]

hemotoxic isnt always active

u get more value from 20% ms than toxin

bc aoe fok

losing rating bc prot pala games

BLIZZARD TANKS SHOULD BE BANNED IN SHUFFLE

[potent pivot]

no we're not?

everyone runs wound

[hidden moth]

ya assa is wound and crip

rn dtb is also troll

[potent pivot]

nah

it isn't troll

[hidden moth]

ive nevber seen anyone use dtb in pvp in war within

[potent pivot]

i've seen plenty

[hidden moth]

whooooo

[potent pivot]

even a few on murlok from time to time

[jolly sierra]

we don't use deadly

xd

we are not in DF s1 where we used DTB

[potent pivot]

might not be the most popular/used thing, just saying it isn't 'troll'

it has its use cases

[hidden moth]

like wut

[potent pivot]

can be used fine in shuffle/2s

[hidden moth]

interestin

[potent pivot]

in blitz you can in theory use deadly/caustic and do insane damage

but you're trading aoe wound

now thats on the verge of trolling

[hidden moth]

tired of people

afk in shuff

lost 6 rating bc hunter throws one of my roudns afk at start doesnt come back

but he gets kicked before i get a free win to balance it out

1785 to 1719

[potent pivot]

oof

i finally found a good crate group

so i've just been spamming conq cap on alts back to back

[hidden moth]

God I wish

Just want my 6th 1800 set already

So I can move on to dk and get it pvp geared for pve ilvl and can walk into +6 keys

[vocal surge]

Ngl

Not sure if I want 4p rn

or next week

[native cargo]

i am really struggling with sin in pvp rn just bg'ing, is it bad currently?

[potent pivot]

nop its good

[native cargo]

hmm its really just ambush opener garrote into full rupture, full enveoms and shiv when i can right? am i missing a key part

[potent pivot]

just depends on what you're trying to do/what build you're running

[sick wasp]

bruh arms warrior slappin' or what

what is this dmg

fury must do more but arms feels so oppressive

[potent pivot]

arms just has huge globals randomly

dunno why blizzard thought they needed a buff

[sick wasp]

idk,yeah

my hpally cant survive

[stoic spruce]

Holy shit

Cc city

Can't get any damage out against feral/arms or arms/ww

Or ww/feral

Or ww anything really

16 minutes just to get cc chained into a 1 shot

And then adr drops...

this will be my peak until they fix outlaws energy

maybe was just a bad lobby

was my first arena in 2 weeks

[vocal surge]

What build you running?

Because that sounds like a dream lobby for cleave

[stoic spruce]

The correct build

It's the fear into stun into cyclone into stun with a RoP cherry on top.

They gotta have an aura for KS or something

Also I just got into another shuffle and my breaker popped lol

I want to blame the game for that one but I cant

wtf is this discord update?

[vocal surge]

It dropped today

lol

[stoic spruce]

what on earth my guy

[sick wasp]

idk how pirate can brawl into ferals and warriors this time around

its sub season

evn monks

u cant any of the specs run around doing dmg

highly unlikely u win unless the healer carries

[spring bough]

😭

[indigo hill]

And ww monks are complaining about being a B tier spec.

[stoic spruce]

sl flashbacks tbh

[indigo hill]

You should have seen them complain last week about the little nerf they were getting this reset... 😂

[potent pivot]

venruki complained about not enough fire mage buffs in his recent vid covering the tuning

i promptly exited

people's takes are so cooked these days

[stoic spruce]

everyones takes are cooked but mine

[indigo hill]

Pretty much. 😂 evokes dream walk turned into a pain tho.

[safe turret]

so what's the reroll logic with 4pc/supercharger? just spam reroll or hold off on 4-5 buffs? HO spec

[vocal surge]

Hold off rerolling 4-5 buffs

rn RTB buffs determine our damage output

even if you got good RNG with back to back BTE and lucky crits, the kill pressure of 2 buffs is not enough to leverage 5 buff with bad rng

[cold bloom]

im new to pvp havrent done it since wotlk. Does pvp gear matter in war within)

[vocal surge]

Absolutely

[cold bloom]

What item would be bet to buy first from vendor?

[stoic spruce]

ive been doin some pve

and

I think its time to actually for real throw the towel and just play outlaw semi-casually

deleted all my WAs to make sure I dont

just not fun atm

[vocal surge]

how so?

[stoic spruce]

I think we know

[indigo hill]

Lack of proper output or is it the rng?

[stoic spruce]

actually neither

I guess kinda the rng of ace crits

its the lack of energy out of adr

multiple times I lost it and just decided to give

I'd like to be able to vanish outside of adr rush yknow

frankly I'd like to not play crackshot at all but thats a different convo

[cold bloom]

will a 597 dagger pvp be better thena 603 pve?

[harsh kiln]

The 597 should have some text in the tooltip saying it scales higher than 603 in pvp

[stoic spruce]

the dk journey starts now

[stoic lava]

Any bg blitzers in the chat, what's as fun as outlaw in blitz

FERAL?

[last jasper]

Gl with all fotm warriors

[stoic spruce]

ahhhhhh crap I forgot

maybe I should just ditch pvp lol

[pastel burrow]

you will be happier

but also you'll be back, we always come back

no other game hits the same like rogue pvp

[spring bough]

Member when GSW was goat’d

[stoic spruce]

im in SL rn playing with everything again

right now I got sepsis

[spring bough]

Awh must be lonely there lol

[stoic spruce]

yeah lol

[gusty hedge]

survival hunter

[stoic spruce]

It's an oxymoron

He's asking what's not fun

Maybe I'm just a hater

[dark kernel]

I have joined the KIR family

[stoic spruce]

I think this ruined current outlaw for me lol

[dark kernel]

Do any of yall know if Coup De Grace Dispatch is affected by our 2pc

or is it technically a different spell

[next patio]

Dumb question I couldn't find an answer to: For Outlaw PvP, is there a reason to run the mastery dagger OH over double Glad Haste swords? Or are people doing it just so they have a dagger for Sin/Sub swaps?

Like, are procs still all normalized?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah procs are normalized

They probably swap sin/sub as well

[sick wasp]

Bruh i cant save ppl in shuffles even when im free casting heals

especially wars feel unhealable

f@kin' 3mil executes and 2mil MS

and storming and chopping everything

what is this dmg

[spring bough]

ew this new discord format for desktop is gross

[keen canopy]

hell yeah ill drink to that brother

[keen canopy]

and to that

[vocal surge]

Its alright

as a change

[sick wasp]

MM/BM hunter,warlock,sub rogue

[gusty hedge]

stats are minor, Mog/ multi spec. Heavy haste builds with swift slasher for auto attacks(Trickster imo, Thousand cuts)

[spring bough]

low level warriors so OP this level 11 twink stuff kinda fun lol

[gusty hedge]

not too sure, it's something ive been trying to check out too, seems like it is but rng procs n buffs make it hard to tell if it actually gets buffed.
sidenote dfa goes into coup proc (even if it doesnt light up on dfa icon) id like to think any dispatch in kit gets buffed by 2 piece

[severe helm]

I thought dfa doesn't consume coup

[gusty hedge]

it does ! i thought it didnt either, it feels bugged because you can also coup aftter dfa and double stacks without adr( like Adr double coup bug) almost instant 14-15 stacks

[dark kernel]

I was wondering about this. Thanks for answering that question.

Still I only like using dfa for casters really for blocking cc

[gusty hedge]

i swapped out preemptive for Dfa after outlaw nerf(tricker rogue only dfa) feels good whe nu max your stacks and pop a Killing spree with Supercharged/forced induc
yeah dfa good on anything that can kite you, i open world alot so there aint no getting away

[steep grove]

Is there a standout spec for pvp? Assass/Sub/Outlaw

[hybrid palm]

In solo shuffle total rounds up should add up to 18 right ?

Rounds won*

[dark kernel]

What are the odds Outlaw gets gutted cause PvE

[severe helm]

non zero

but tbh outlaw isnt considered strong in pve for the most part

it crushes meters but its not very useful cuz it doesnt have uncapped aoe

and race is over so raid balance isnt that relevant

[hidden moth]

I hit a 5 mil over power on a mage last night

[hidden moth]

They also don’t bring any utility outside of shroud but why bring a rogue when u can bring 1 invis pot

[grave basin]

i would be more concerned about outlaw being overplayed in awc

[dark kernel]

Blizz likes to gut outliers.

[grave basin]

because it's just a dampener spec

[dark kernel]

This is also a concern, but lots of pros I've seen eying feral

[grave basin]

that works well when people perfectly trade for 10mins

[dark kernel]

Yeah

[grave basin]

ngl i feel like being a blitz main

but it looks so frustrating being trolled by teammates

1000x more than shuffle

[severe helm]

well enhance shaman was top of the meters for the entirety of last season

and nothing happened

[severe helm]

its extremely frustratin

blitz is honestly the most miserable pvp mode ive ever played

people underestimate how amazingly valuable the "shuffling" part of solo shuffle is

blitz you get a moron on your team and you just have to lose and go back ot a 30 min queue

[grave basin]

feels like without the shuffle it's just go next mentality

as soon as youre 1% behind

[severe helm]

not to mention the high mmr queues occur exclusively past 2am

[dark kernel]

Blitz is mental illness and I loved it prior to it being rated

[severe helm]

blitz is just a bad game mode

[dark kernel]

I got 1800 for the HWL set and that was it

[severe helm]

and duo queueing is very stupid

[dark kernel]

It's just unfortunate that it's literally the "free 2400" bracket

if you know your class just enough

elite is just free

so long as you hit queue enough

[grave basin]

yea that's the plan

just gonna get 2.1k on my sv in shuffle then do blitz on rogue

[severe helm]

yeah blizz barely reset mmr on blitz

so its hyper inflated again

[dark kernel]

Dear Blizz, please add an additional 300 MMR to ranked 3s

[severe helm]

they cap mmr so hard early in the season for shuff and 3s

no idea why

[sick wasp]

yeah mage though 😛

my paladin got a 3.2mil execute today

idk wtf is happenin,im vers/mast stacked

rly stupid dmg

[keen canopy]

nah but you see how the vc icon extends past the server icons in the server bar

this is unusable garbage

[vocal surge]

That's fair

it is wasted space

[vocal surge]

That 1 priest that sandbags the healer by bringing them out of their major CD (Disc Priest trying to live in Barrier)

[keen canopy]

i mean it shouldnt even be in that area but if it is gonna be it certainly shouldnt be extending past the server icons

[vocal surge]

Aye

[severe helm]

yeah the new discord update is fucking awful

their worst one by far

their previous updates have been pretty good for ht emost part

[vocal surge]

I think its their excuse for the Quest pop up

[severe helm]

but this one has a lot of arbitrary visual changes that add nothing and just look worse

the sizing of everything is very off

like the server icon at the top is tiny

[vocal surge]

The worst feature is ^

[keen canopy]

and the "is typing..." area

why did they make it like this

[severe helm]

the texting chat icon is tiny

look how small it is

like wtf

why

also

why did they remove the round icons

thats just such a pointless fucking change

when UI teams start making changes like that its usually all downhill from there

[vocal surge]

No reason for the server name and icon to be in the top middle of the screen

[severe helm]

next thing theyre gona move the servers to the right side of the screen for no fucking reason

[severe helm]

yeah center justified looks awful

whoever worked on this has horrible taste lol

[vocal surge]

We know what server we're in already lol

Because its highlighted on the left side panel

[keen canopy]

side note but this inbox thing
has anybody actually used this ever

[vocal surge]

Like once

But its absolutely bad

Good idea, bad execution

I think the current implementation of it is the best that inbox has ever been in

But in the past, just not usable lol

[last jasper]

feels gud

the guy was gambling with my executes, lmao

[potent pivot]

Basically no chance

Those graphs are inflated by the very low amount of outlaw parses

[potent pivot]

Reroll on cd unless 5 really

[potent pivot]

Look up a pvp gearing guide

[safe turret]

I was trying reroll spam and holding and it feels really bad rerolling on 4 buffs, almost always reroll on 3 but rerolling on 4 or 5 felt like it was performing worse, exception being if I could 100% finish a kill and needed that extra bit in a go

[dark kernel]

Are you playing HO and not KIR?

[safe turret]

HO yes

[dark kernel]

Feels a LOT better to play KIR

its a big adjustment, but with 4pc I highly recommend

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean it can be done a bit more situationally right

i don't think anything has to be fully set in stone one way or another, especially in pvp

[safe turret]

I tried KIR, honestly feels like HO is better to me, could just be playing it wrong tho

[loud ember]

general question here uh. So now that you can upgrade world pvp gear to have set bonuses, I've noticed it still only increases pvp ilvl to 675

can you upgrade it again to get the better pvp ilvl or like

or like what does late stage conq gearing look like

still just replace all the world pvp pieces with conq gear over time or are we upgrading the pieces

[potent pivot]

You can’t upgrade it again

You generally want to catalyst conquest gear

If you already catalyzed wpvp gear it isn’t the end of the world or anything

But

[loud ember]

no i havent i was just wondering

its like a cool new thing you can do but like

does it matter?

seems like it doesnt matter

[potent pivot]

You’ll have to buy an entire new conquest piece and catalyze it later to replace it, eventually

Well

In my opinion

[loud ember]

i guess if you go into the annoying area where the actual conq pieces have bad stats

[potent pivot]

I only catalyst wpvp gear on alts late in the season

[loud ember]

so you get the world pvp gear for good stats

[potent pivot]

Because I keep all my alts bloody token capped through the season basically

And it’s very easy to get a lot of bloody tokens late in the season

[potent pivot]

The stats don’t matter

If you turn a piece into tier set

It will have tier set stats no matter what

And we can craft conquest gear to have any stats we want

Wpvp gear this early on is basically just used to supplement the gearing process

It can all be replaced later

Like a lot of people buy wpvp cloak,bracers, whatever else, until they can replace those pieces when we have excess conquest

[dark kernel]

I think ultimately KIR does more damage than HO

[jolly sierra]

i felt scammed

i reached 1k6

and they didn't gave me the token

instead a catalyzer charge

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[hidden moth]

Been that way since s2 launch

[jolly sierra]

just joined s2 this week

xd

[hidden moth]

Just be glad Tuesday makes it so u don’t have to raid or do keys to get 4 set

[jolly sierra]

is 4set rlly needed?

xd

i played till 1k7 w no tier

[trail ice]

Why do people not use shiv ?

[potent pivot]

@stoic spruce are you the moonguard aficionado

[trail ice]

Also I made a new rogue to play sub on

its cancer op

[potent pivot]

just depends, it can be very useful for slowing

[trail ice]

you just hit for 3 mils left and right

kinda learned how important to use my cds are tho

[potent pivot]

ye sub is all about managing your CDs

[trail ice]

For outlaw looks like I wanna kidney someone Adrenrush vanish

I never really did that before

[potent pivot]

well outlaw is less about burst

thats not really how it plays

outlaw is all about maximizing ADR uptime and CDR

[trail ice]

Yeah but i never really had structure on how to try to kill someone

Mainly just wailed on someone till they died

[potent pivot]

yes but what i'm saying is like

you don't play outlaw around CDs like you do sub

[trail ice]

Idk vanish cd seems pretty important

[potent pivot]

like you can have 70-80%+ uptime on ADR

[trail ice]

You kinda just wanna hit the cds on outlaw tho

[potent pivot]

yeah

vanish/subterfuge extend your ADR

so if you hold a vanish until you kidney someone

but you drop ADR because of it

thats a bigger goof

as long as you don't drop ADR, its fine though sure

[trail ice]

bit weird

[potent pivot]

Outlaws rotational playstyle is almost closer to fury warrior than it is to sub in a way

Very momentum based

[languid ravine]

the real gearing guide:
-take warmonger head/shoulders/chest for transmog
-catalyst warmonger head/shoulders/chest for transmog, no matter how bad the stats are
upgrade once for lfr and normal appearances

[potent pivot]

[ionic orbit]

Talking to this other sub rogue right now who is saying he uses some sort of AI program to do moves faster or get around the global cooldown. Saw him duel this WW monk twice with about 10k health and it looks like he only does maybe 2 moves and the guy is dead in 1.5 seconds. Anyone know what this technique is and if blizzard is working on stopping it?

program

[stoic spruce]

Who's asking

[potent pivot]

He’s probably trolling. What level was he?

[potent pivot]

Me

[stoic spruce]

Oh, then no.

[potent pivot]

Maybe it was sinnen

[ionic orbit]

80. not 27 like the other hackers

[potent pivot]

Well they’re not hackers

Just abusing bugs

[potent pivot]

Where did this happen btw

In the open world?

[ionic orbit]

Goldshire, open world

[potent pivot]

Yeah

He’s trolling

It’s just bug abuse

[ionic orbit]

maybe? Idk he looked pretty damn fast.

[sharp sierra]

is DK like a dead class?

[potent pivot]

No lol

[ionic orbit]

honestly think blizzard should keep up with those things. If I was in a rated arena against that dude I'd be dead within half of one cheap shot.

[sharp sierra]

they're the least represented class in 3v3 for some reason

[potent pivot]

There’s numerous consumables and bugs you can use in the open world

[stoic spruce]

It's always been like that

[potent pivot]

Blizzard doesn’t really care about duels and world pvp like they care about actual instanced content. Arena, etc

[potent pivot]

That’s the thing, none of that is possible in rated arena

[potent pivot]

They have a big reputation for being very good at the beginning of seasons only to be nerfed week 1 or 2

But afaik dk is fine atm

There’s always a few diehard DKs that make it work at the highest levels

Like Xeek on frost dk and petkick on unholy

[sharp sierra]

whys that

yeah i might want to level my DK but i havent seen them this underrepresented

maybe they need a bfuff

[stoic spruce]

Well for starters nobody really likes the theme.
Second of all, as Trickz stated, they're always good for the first couple of weeks and then they get nerfed and pm everyone picked up on that.
Third of all, you don't bring any sort of team utility other than amz and that's questionable at best. You have team magic shell but that's nowhere near on par as to what other classes have.
And lastly, each spec has its own plethora of problems. But to summarize, fdk is doomed to be a 1min spec and uhdks only viable build is disease and they keep nerfing it as they gutted the pets back in DF.

Also they're squishy

And my personal reason for dropping unholy is it plays totally different in pvp than pvp

[sharp sierra]

thats lame, I find DKs way cooler than warriors

[fading blade]

Anyone have mes’s new WA?

[potent pivot]

he usually posts them on wago.io, don't know if he has or not

[potent pivot]

i think its definitely still worth playing if you like them

you're not going to struggle to get your usual level of achievements on it

[sharp sierra]

seems like too much work, I was gonna just level one as an alt

i mean what do warrior and hunters bring that is better than DK?

[stoic spruce]

Nah dk is good

Unholy with 4pc bangs tbh

I'm gonna pve with dk until 4 charges of cata come and then blast unholy

[sharp sierra]

i was gonna maybe trym frost

[stoic spruce]

Fdk is very fun

[potent pivot]

ye i usually alt a dk, just saying its fun

[stoic spruce]

Well when there's no disarm

[sharp sierra]

ive played one last xpac but very minimally

and I think UHDKs are pretty helpful for a team u got necrotic stacks

[stoic spruce]

For future reference, both specs play rider

True but it's only helpful when you have an MS to stack with it

Other than that it's fine

[sharp sierra]

yeah TSG and TWD seem like S tier comps too

[vast narwhal]

just went to read our pins and saw this. That's funny as shit without knowing who they are as that is what the internet was made for

[wintry dew]

Real and very true

And holy damn that was a time trip

[ionic orbit]

What do you think are the best class pairings for rated 2v2s? I'm a sub rogue

[potent pivot]

a healer or mage

[wintry dew]

Hi, you're the 🐐

[potent pivot]

no u

[wintry dew]

I might not be playing wow but I try to check the channel here and there.
I really enjoy seeing you help every man, straight up W person and player

[jolly sierra]

royal i wanna a corrupted ashbringer in classic what should i do? xdddd

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-demon-slayer-rengoku-set-your-heart-ablaze-dont-give-up-gif-27518966

Do it!
If it's something you'll be proud of, do it.

[jolly sierra]

but i am asking how to start, chad

should i level up a warr for anniversary and go 2h fury or a ret in sod?

[jolly sierra]

hmmmmmmm

[potent pivot]

i try i try

[wintry dew]

Warrior for the T3+corrupted og combo

[potent pivot]

have been busy trying to pve and pvp this season

[jolly sierra]

should i go to anniversary and then an eng server?

i raided till BWL in classic as rog

[wintry dew]

That's something I have no experience with... I didn't play OG vanilla / classic

My journey started with tbc

[jolly sierra]

gotcha gotcha

[wintry dew]

You're having fun for sure

[stoic lava]

I have a bm hunter 😮 is surv haste/vers atm ?

[jolly sierra]

gotta go anniv then, cuz SOD have it through a chain quest

[stoic lava]

Time to log the bm hunter I guess, ratings too high for fast ques tho already 😱

[jolly sierra]

and idk if is the purified or the corrupted

[stoic lava]

Worst part about playing outlaw is you cant flex sub/assa

maybe 2nd rogue angle

[potent pivot]

surv is vers/mast/haste

[stoic lava]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[potent pivot]

yeah this season has been p fun so far

[stoic lava]

I just dont know how anything competes with outlaw for fun

[potent pivot]

first time trying DH in pve, more enjoyable than i thought it'd be

[sharp sierra]

whats the best healer for KFC/Jungle or anything 3s w/ a hunter, my friend is playing BM now

[potent pivot]

i think healer meta just got shaken up a bit

hpriest might be back etc

[sharp sierra]

gross

does this look kinda bad? I had the arena frames all the way on right hand side of screen but i KEEP missing kicks

[potent pivot]

@outer sky nice cheat death proc

[sharp sierra]

yeah like heres my whole screen

[outer sky]

bruh my healer is in last seasons gear cut me some slack

what game did you see/who was streaming?

[potent pivot]

that war/mw

[outer sky]

oh yeah I have no idea how we won that

everytime he got within melee range of me I was just desd

[potent pivot]

i think cheat kinda won you that one ngl

[brisk perch]

Damnnn that's how we do it 😄

[hybrid sapphire]

any updates on how to gear?

[potent pivot]

Not really, just don’t craft conquest level gear in what might be 4p slots in case we run it

[inner tartan]

sry to interupt but dis is a rogue discord we are ment to be toxic asf not nice asf get it right

[ionic orbit]

How do the top guys manage to have enough energy when they don't go the thistle tea talent route and also don't use goremaws bite? I've been trying the forced induction talent route instead of thistle tea and even with goremaws bite there are still many times in solo shuffle that I simply can't do abilities because I'm waiting on my energy to go back up.

[potent pivot]

they're both just unnecessary

the only time energy matters for sub is during CDs, and during CDs you are more than oversaturated in energy

[dark kernel]

Lots of uptime and darkest night finishers for evis and energy

[exotic dove]

Anyone have four set? Not looking to see if its better to have it or not the reason I am asking for those that do is how much it procs on average.

[potent pivot]

it should proc the same amount as in pve

[exotic dove]

Oh I was thinking it would be different but maybe I was thinking wrong in that regard

[stoic spruce]

another night elf rogue down

[potent pivot]

the only difference is usually the damage percents

depending on the set bonus

[indigo hill]

Is it win trading or personal hatred when a healer goes afk in the first round and only heals with riptide in the other 2 rounds?

[wary thistle]

Cannibalized, as you should to assert dominance

[stoic lava]

Is there a site that tracks last seasons cut offs for shuffle/blitz

[sick wasp]

ok playing healer this season is an absolute nightmare

i cba,ill try sub or my mage

[potent pivot]

Usually you spot win trading by a healer playing properly in some rounds then playing like they don’t have hands in other rounds

But they try to feed their losses/wins to 1 person in the lobby

[glass iris]

I think I already asked this but just to confirm: the only way to socket a pvp ring is to farm tons of honor to buy the three gem thingies and then those + more honor for the socket

Alternatively the drop thing that happens in one of the zones

[potent pivot]

You can buy the vicious bloodstones on the AH

Then just spend honor on the socket setting item

The chest that drops the socket setting item is quite rare to find and manage to loot because it spawns in free for all pvp areas and only a few people can loot it. Not worth bothering with usually

[glass iris]

Yeah that was my take on it

[glass iris]

Ah nice, thanks!

[stoic lava]

rank 1 outlaw yipee

[lost quest]

What talents do you run? HO or KiR?

[stoic lava]

I just play bg blitz atm but I run HO

fatebound ofc

[lost quest]

Is there a bg in which trickster is more preferable ?

[stoic lava]

in my opinion no but im sure arguments could be made for some

mobility is invaluable for bg blitz on every map

[stoic spruce]

probably kotmogu

[stoic lava]

Naw that's honestly probably the best map for fatebound

outlaw is amazing orb carrier

400-500 points every game easy

especially if you have another rogue

they can step to your grapples and yall can kite forever

[gusty hedge]

👀 ign

[stoic lava]

hasn't updated yet

I wasn't compairing to EU tho

rank 1 NA

what site is that?

[trail ice]

gz man

[stoic spruce]

trickster is more cleave which is big for that bg

its actually a lot more cleave

[dark kernel]

sick

[stoic lava]

On Kotmogu ur job is to grab orb and never be seen again

Don't ever go mid unless they're entirely wiped

just run

[stoic spruce]

so you just never attack?

[stoic lava]

Yea more or less

Take orb run

Kite their team around rim

[stoic spruce]

theres no way they cant keep up

they probably go the other orb then

[stoic lava]

you're not never going to die

but you should top victory points every game

[spring bough]

This. Can be middle of arena. 2 hooks to an orb and 2 hooks to wherever lol

[stoic spruce]

I wouldnt know

I insta leave kotmogu