Also having HPal cross the map to enemy healer makes them open to get CCd and you lose all pressure
#pvp
jaunty osprey
hidden moth
That’s fair
And yeah that sounds kinda goated the hoj ua dispell
I’ve almost always been sending kidney on the healer
hidden moth
Vanish gar gar kidney or gar rupt gar gar kid
hidden moth
Gotcha
hidden moth
I’ve been trying to do that but been slacking I will admit
Like vanish cheap dps cheap dps but don’t cheap heal bc I don’t wanna dr ks
jaunty osprey
with kidney being a 30s CD now, it’s important to send cheap shots
well if you dont cheap heals that’s fine
Send kidney on him and garrote silence off
jaunty osprey
5 CP
6 doesnt increase duration
but no
you double cheap dps
And play normally
Kidney healer whenever you feel is right
but you dont just sit there
unless you have full bleeds up on the kill targets already and you’re just ccing healer for the win
hidden moth
Step heal and run back to the dps
Against some match ups it feels like I run out of movement is that going to be normal?
languid ravine
okay Sub actually feels exactly as shit as always but the damage is nice for once
maybe even worse with all the randomish combo points overflowing
vocal surge
Lost cart in a very lame way in Silvershard Mines lmao
On t he bright side, managed to beat down half the BG group on my own cart
without dying
Literal 1v4 and killed 2
the other 2 kinda just tanked me till the cart reached the depot (they were hpal and tank DH)
and then an assa rogue ganks me post DH duel and proceeds to tuck tail and run
languid ravine
probably been asked but for Assa, are both weapon enchants close enough in damage?
since Sub only runs Radiant Power
potent pivot
probably been asked but for Assa, are both weapon enchants close enough in damag...
for the most part yeah
depths is more ST
radiant does dmg and has agi buff which buffs all your cleave
so you're not 'trolling' using either
languid ravine
I m definitely trolling you should seen my last two games
hybrid palm
Does DFA not do damage if target moves ?
dark kernel
Does DFA not do damage if target moves ?
It does. The damage is broken into 2 parts, the first is just a small AOE around you though
The big eviscerate when you land is the money though
hybrid palm
What does the AOE component get bucketed into in Details ?
dark kernel
What does the AOE component get bucketed into in Details ?
I'm honestly not sure off the top of my head
jaunty osprey
Against some match ups it feels like I run out of movement is that going to be n...
Yeah, Melee Caster meta will do that to you
jaunty osprey
radiant does dmg and has agi buff which buffs all your cleave
Radiant is still ass
doesnt proc
😭😭
potent pivot
i wouldn't say ass, but yeh
potent pivot
if playing sub and sin i'd still use it
jaunty osprey
if playing sub i’d say depths is nutty
especially with it’s consistent damage atm
and rupture dam
potent pivot
barely anyone uses it
hidden moth
Yeah, Melee Caster meta will do that to you
So p much just make sure gar and rupture are on all 3 and call it a day not looking to slam any fat envenoms outside of darkest night
lilac wedge
i know you mentioned trickster is better for ST, but i still run fatebound for outlaw blitz.
do you think trickster would be better all around?
potent pivot
trickster is mostly better in aoe/cleave
not ST
its about the same as fatebound ST
dark kernel
I would be fatebound in blitz 1000% just for hookshot
jaunty osprey
So p much just make sure gar and rupture are on all 3 and call it a day not look...
At least two targets
A lot of the time, you’re just playing your own game and you let your lock do their own thing
hidden moth
I’m just there to peel for lock and add to dots p much
And add cc pressure to the mix
glass iris
How do I add sockets to pvp neck and ring?
potent pivot
So either a ton of honor or the chest thing
yeah
the crate thing is very hard to find
only spawns a few times a day in a random zone
glass iris
Honor doesn't carry over from previous seasons, right?
potent pivot
it does
trail ice
whats the basic idea of a rogue in pvp 3s arena
like gameplan wise
been trying to sap blind healer then just go dps rotation the kill target since pikabooo said I could get 2500 rating doing that every game
potent pivot
whats the basic idea of a rogue in pvp 3s arena
kidney someone basically on CD
make sure you pay attention to DRs
willow valley
how is sub doing this season?
im gonna try it but dont know which builds are the best now
havent played for a long time
potent pivot
im gonna try it but dont know which builds are the best now
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mostly this
can swap something to gloomblade if you want, don't have to tho
sub is doing alright, about the same as usual
more consistent dmg
willow valley
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thx
gonna try it later
trail ice
make sure you pay attention to DRs
last night I only stunned when they were off dr
dark kernel
Yeah they are innately very tanky
They're a decent target if there's not a better one, but it's pretty hard to actually stop one from doing damage
hidden moth
Are shadow priests hard to kill ?
dont let them cast flash heal
it gives them 10% dr
dark kernel
You can't really stop flash heal. If you're not interrupting their damage you're going to have a way worse time
hybrid palm
Why does marksman hunter get to run like a bullet n shoot a bazooka
true warren
whats the best sub opener with subterfuge?
i only ever played the thistle tea build but would love to try subterfuge for extra vanish but i struggle with the opener
distant epoch
@dretch444
potent pivot
zealous sand
I feel like I do really poor dmg compared to everything lol, whats the idea behind FI? Roll even if I have 4+ buffs? to get the supercharged combopoints?
potent pivot
I feel like I do really poor dmg compared to everything lol, whats the idea behi...
yeah, you reroll anything less than 5 buff basically
zealous sand
my avg is just below 300k in shuffle atm ;c I do cc alot but still feels way too low >;
proper heath
potent pivot
well we just got pve trinket tuning now
so maybe
they've got like an hour left in their work day 
hybrid palm
After last rework on sub, feels really weak, can't finish off any target, sure damage is high but it's useless damage
Of course I'm talking of my middle of pack bracket
quaint cedar
yeah, you reroll anything less than 5 buff basically
I just found this out today and it feels so unintuitive to reroll when you already have good buffs
hard to adjust to for me
it is helping my damage though
gleaming sentinel
Outlaw preemptive maneuver nerf
quaint cedar
where? I don't see any notes
also why only outlaw? wtf?
why does blizzard hate us so much 😭
gleaming sentinel
Was pretty busted tho
quaint cedar
and they deleted all my other pvp talents sooooo wtf am I supposed to use lmao
potent pivot
lots of changes
ww nerfs
mm nerfs
arcane and frost nerfs too
enhance got hella buffs wow
gleaming sentinel
Moonkin rogue gonna be strong again for tourney
quaint cedar
I just don't understand why nerfing outlaw was a priority when it has the lowest representation in the game but w/e
at least they didn't nerf our damage
zealous sand
didnt they buff outlaw?
quaint cedar
ww nerfs and mm nerfs are good but idk if they were hit hard enough tbh
potent pivot
didnt they buff outlaw?
no?
potent pivot
I just don't understand why nerfing outlaw was a priority when it has the lowest...
too tanky
with the uptime you can have on feint
zealous sand
sounds to me like the dmg went from 40% to 55% with feint
gleaming sentinel
Can just keep feint up 100% of the time yea
zealous sand
guess their phrasing was wierd
gleaming sentinel
Back to vigor for me
quaint cedar
yeah I know but like, who is playing outlaw right now? idk just seems odd when there's bigger fish to fry here
potent pivot
sounds to me like the dmg went from 40% to 55% with feint
no, you're going from -60% damage when stunned with feint up down to -35%
quaint cedar
maybe it's a good thing though, less representation in AWC = less likely to get nerfed
gleaming sentinel
Trying to hold my goat Dazed back
quaint cedar
no, you're going from -60% damage when stunned with feint up down to -35%
so 15% over base elusiveness then
still worth you think? probably right?
any damage reduction in stuns is good
exotic dove
They just targeted outlaw with that nerf too its still the same for sub and assa
potent pivot
so may as well
quaint cedar
yeah outlaw has awful pvp talents
potent pivot
They just targeted outlaw with that nerf too its still the same for sub and assa
ye. they don't have cdr
quaint cedar
still sad that they just deleted all our good ones without giving us something interesting in return
gleaming sentinel
Bring back enduring brawler
quaint cedar
only thing we got was preemptive manuever which is getting nerfed now, awesome
glass hazel
haha didnt last long cause they keep on spamming it
quaint cedar
so everything outlaw is now strictly a downgrade from last patch
gleaming sentinel
Idk the 4 set is insane, really having fun with it
gleaming sentinel
Go pre feint some stuns til reset
halcyon timber
Heard some cats got lucky through the delve track on the vault too
potent pivot
i got a hero track pve tier piece in vauilt as well
halcyon timber
Weird warr buffs came in too
quaint cedar
I was traveling last week so no vault for me 😦
quaint cedar
WTB better pvp talents pls
vocal surge
no, you're going from -60% damage when stunned with feint up down to -35%
best part about this I had a SS match where I got 100 -> 30'd during my Feint window in a stun
from a WW Monk
full duration of a feint btw, I predicted the stun
and was like "I should be fine." Oh no.
prob gonna sit rating for a bit and check next week
The Disc Nerfs shouldnt be hitting both hero trees
it should've focused on Oracle since they're the ones with the highest damage prevention
Voidweaver Disc is a killable target
exotic dove
For Assa Rogues out there Pally aoe blind no longer removes damage over time affects from the target. The pally on our team is no longer the enemy in that regard
Well come Tuesday
hybrid palm
Didn't they buff marksman overall combined with pve changes ?
vocal surge
Ye
quaint cedar
oh great
hybrid palm
Lol earlier it took 2 seconds to die, now even lesser 😄
quaint cedar
I had a shuffle earlier today against enhance and fury and I died in a shockwave 100 -> 0
burst is so crazy this season
quaint cedar
yeah they are already doing insane damage
enhance needs a better kit for pvp
otherwise they are only ever going to be good when they 1 shot stuff
which sucks to play against
hybrid palm
How much slower will arcane mages be now around the arena
gleaming sentinel
delete frost bite
hybrid palm
What's that
Disc priest nerf is biggest I think, at least I can kill stuff now without them getting auto healed
halcyon timber
I had a shuffle earlier today against enhance and fury and I died in a shockwave...
Working as intended
quaint cedar
a lot of dps got buffed
kinda worried as outlaw
I already don't feel very impactful right now
safe turret
enhance is getting nerfed, at least current build, they're buffing things they dont really press and nerfing things they do
don't get why only outlaw is getting the feint nerf
expected it to be nerfed but should be all specs, and figured it would be brought down to 20% or 25%
quaint cedar
yeah I think it needed to be nerfed, but the amount is too high
especially when all of our pvp talents suck anyways
quaint cedar
enhance is getting nerfed, at least current build, they're buffing things they d...
only nerfs I see to enhance are
Primordial Storm damage reduced by 15% in PvP combat.
Windfury Attack damage reduced by 10% in PvP combat.
potent pivot
don't get why only outlaw is getting the feint nerf
because the other specs are more squishy and it only works in stuns
quaint cedar
is that big enough to have an impact
safe turret
which are massive parts of the current enhance dmg profile
current enhance dmg is all doomwinds and primordial storm, for the most part, that's their burst
quaint cedar
ah I see
jaunty osprey
Feint pvp talent nerf for outlaw is actually good
High end 3v3 is arcane mage outlaw
cant hit outlaw cause too tanky
safe turret
and now its sub/arcane
outer sky
New changes announced? Can someone link?
safe turret
same shit
potent pivot
New changes announced? Can someone link?
wowhead man
basically no rogue changes
jaunty osprey
Idk why arms got buffed
they arent bad, people just dont play because fury is insane
lol
they play so similar but fury is just better, ofc ppl will think arms sucks when only 6 ppl out of 10 mill play arms
outer sky
Oh nothing changed that matters to me
There's 6 things that need to happen in this game and until they do I don't think any changes will matter
outer sky
-
Frost mage needs an ice block removed or hypothermia needs to be a much longer debuff
-
Remove frostbite
-
Sac shouldn't PREVENT poison applications. Removing is fine but fuck preventing
-
Catch Out needs to be removed from hunters
-
Void Shift should go back to being shadow priest only
-
Make meld act as real stealth so you don't need to meld>stealth and risk it bugging.
Wake me up when they do any of that shit
dark kernel
It was OP as shit and I knew it would get nerfed
because Float like a butterfly lets us perma wall
and make us have a 40% damage reduction when stunned is GIGA busted
So now it's just 20% from the base talent and an additional 15%
potent pivot
most people aren't even running float
outer sky
I also think disarm as a CC should just be removed from the game
potent pivot
but yeh
dark kernel
those people are stupid
5% damage while stunned is dog shit compared to PERMA shield wall
potent pivot
lol
dark kernel
I legitimately do not care anyone's opinion on this
Outlaw is already rot spec for arena
potent pivot
47 out of the top 50
dark kernel
I literally
potent pivot
are stupid yep
potent pivot
dark kernel
I will tell this to their face
outer sky
47 out of the top 50
He already said he's not open to having his mind changed so why bother
dark kernel
I dont care
potent pivot
chill out
jolly sierra
XD
outer sky
I dont care
Just out of sheer curiosity what's your xp?
dark kernel
you were literally the guy going on about people parroting streamers
Only Duelist, but at high rating none of those teams are hitting outlaw
so it doesnt apply to me in games anyway
potent pivot
parroting streamers and refering to data are different things
potent pivot
when did i ever say that float was dog shit
or anything of that nature
just chill out
dark kernel
Its good in low rated and shuffle less skilled for people like me
which is why the 47/50 top makes sense now
not running it
which is why I said "I answered my own question"
because those people arent ever dying
we arent those people however
fast pewter
Probably discussed before, and probably not enough data yet but
4 set for assa and sub? seems like assa is worth it but is it for sub?
quaint cedar
I do think blizzard should spend less time balancing for the top 0.1%, it gets tiresome after a while
potent pivot
Probably discussed before, and probably not enough data yet but
4 set for assa ...
won't know for sure for a couple more weeks prob
acoustic junco
Outlaw damage will get worse the longer the season goes, since armor scales with ilvl.
That talent was busted but just makes me go where's the killing spree cc immunity pvp talent
potent pivot
once everyone has it
quaint cedar
seems like outlaw will always risk being overnerfed for shuffle because it performs well at the top 0.1% of the 3v3 ladder
fast pewter
won't know for sure for a couple more weeks prob
best bet for someone who wants to play both is to stay 2set then right?
quaint cedar
Outlaw damage will get worse the longer the season goes, since armor scales with...
Yeah I personally don't have a problem with the talent itself being nerfed, but I don't understand why we never get compensation. We already lost all our best pvp talents
potent pivot
best bet for someone who wants to play both is to stay 2set then right?
for right now yeah. the sub 4set is stronger than assa's in case you were wondering. but yeh we won't know for a bit longer if we use in pvp
acoustic junco
They basically reverted outlaw pvp talent changes they did in shadowlands
quaint cedar
and that'll hit Outlaw
joke's on you, I already don't play nelf
yeah they did, didn't they
all we have left now is a severely nerfed version of float
compared to SL
vocal surge
Alot of the top Outlaws do play nelf
quaint cedar
and they deleted plunder armor
vocal surge
and it makes it aids to CC em
stoic spruce
Isn't Sting 5% all damage, not just from the rogue?
acoustic junco
I play worgen at the top.
quaint cedar
oh I know, nelf is busted af
but I like kul tiran so that's what I play lol
I still get 2400 most seasons anyways
vocal surge
Ye
stoic spruce
I could get stunned, check my phone, and my health wouldn't have moved
acoustic junco
Outlaw just gonna be the support spec until tricks damage buff is removed
stoic spruce
Can’t wait to give my friends 5% of my health potion
Boarding Party
Preemptive also isn't dead
gleaming sentinel
Yea still better than cheat death
vocal surge
^
halcyon timber
5% anti cc gem as well
vocal surge
oh I know, nelf is busted af
Aye, last night was fighting one of the Top 10 Outlaws in the Arenas
2-1'd him but the CC difference ishuge with nelf racial
acoustic junco
I've been waiting years for it to be nerfed. It's just isn't happening I guess
stoic spruce
If it were bis for every other class it would be
But classes like DK don't get much value from it
vocal surge
The only time I managed to CC the lad
was whenever we're in melee range
Other than that, like I said earlier (prob), I just get counter CC'd because he has a Vanish or Nelf racial ready for me
Since he reacts to my Grappling Hooks
but I cant react back to his Vanish/nelf racial
jaunty osprey
Biggest change was this
Blinding Light no longer removes damage over time effects from enemy players.
halcyon timber
A crusade is on the way surely with rets going wE hAvEnT bEen GuD siNz sHaDowLandS
stoic spruce
Who's balls do I need to play with to get this treatment
vocal surge
time to hit 2100 and sit this week
hidden moth
They could also nerf bat Nelf racial
doubt they will ever do this since they already did racial reworks and nelf racial has worked this way since tbc
vocal surge
yee
outer sky
oh I know, nelf is busted af
Nelf is not busted. It's actually more balanced than people realize. You have to consider that it only fucking works maybe 30% of the time. In those 30% of games yeah it's pretty busted but the other 70% you're basically playing without a racial
outer sky
yep
i wish theyd let us make crafted gear into tier
that way I could craft my main pieces
and not have to worry about getting behind
if we end up running tier
quaint cedar
Nelf is not busted. It's actually more balanced than people realize. You have to...
Is this serious? Because that's some insane cope if it is
outer sky
Is this serious? Because that's some insane cope if it is
?
I legit bought a race change because Nelf is so unreliable I'd rather be orc in most games
quaint cedar
Bro like 95% of all high rated rogues are nelf
quaint cedar
Nelf alone outnumbers the entire horde faction combined above a certain rating threshold
Nelf is broken af lmao
outer sky
Nelf is broken af lmao
when it works
quaint cedar
Idk sounds like you're bad at using it
outer sky
I have a nelf druid and it works fine for me
I didn't know they gave druids Singular Focus
That changes everything
youre completely right
nothing remotely irrelevant about what you just said at all
quaint cedar
Yeah I'm sure every R1 playing nelf just all happens to love it so much and it has nothing to do with it being OP
You're totally right, getting an extra in combat vanish and entire subterfuge window for free can't possibly be good
outer sky
Yeah I'm sure every R1 playing nelf just all happens to love it so much and it h...
it's a gamble. it usually doesnt work but you play it because you're banking on it working THAT game
quaint cedar
Sounds like skill issue to me
outer sky
I don't really care what it sounds like to you though
quaint cedar
You replied to me first. That would suggest that you do care
outer sky
You replied to me first. That would suggest that you do care
no it doesnt lol it suggests your comment needed a different perspective lmfao
quaint cedar
A wrong one?
outer sky
we already got that one from you my guy
quaint cedar
Lmao ok whatever dude
safe turret
must have insane latency if you're having issues getting restealth/subterfuge off of meld
quaint cedar
Keep coping
I've literally never heard of this problem once before but you do you
Not like I care, I don't play nelf anyways
So do whatever you want
potent pivot
can we chill tf out
outer sky
like if you actually think the problem is my meld macro usage idk what to tell you thats just stupid
potent pivot
I've literally never heard of this problem once before but you do you
its a known issue btw
outer sky
Even if it is that doesn't make nelf bad
you're dismissed now
nobody cares
you dont even know whats going on
potent pivot
outer sky
like at all
quaint cedar
But blizz will never nerf it so no point in discussing it really
safe turret
its a known issue btw
bug where if you cheap/between the eyes from meld stealth you dont get subterfuge? have had that happen, never happens if you ambush first tho, in my experience
potent pivot
bug where if you cheap/between the eyes from meld stealth you dont get subterfug...
nah issue where meld doesn't work because of dmg instances etc
its not quite as bad on outlaw as it is for sub/assa
outer sky
its so bad for assa
potent pivot
because outlaw doesn't have the shitty bugged to death hero talent called Singular Focus
quaint cedar
It could only work a quarter of the time and still be better than most racials in this game
outer sky
Ok
quaint cedar
Like look at worgen. Darkflight is completely useless.
Belf useless
I think undead still breaks stealth from touch of the grave, or did that get fixed?
Zandalari is useless, mechagnome useless because it's bugged, lightforged useless....
Nelf is way better in comparison. Orc is also good. Human is ok
outer sky
Belf isn't "useless"
I've killed my share of paladins in my day by Belfing off divine favor or BoP, kicking them, and killing them in a holy lockout
would I pick it over other options? no. but its not "useless"
potent pivot
I think undead still breaks stealth from touch of the grave, or did that get fix...
afaik still does
halcyon timber
Inc holy priest fotm kids btw
quaint cedar
Fair, maybe not completely useless, but not competing with nelf or orc
Back when it was an aoe silence though, THAT was really strong
stoic spruce
I think undead still breaks stealth from touch of the grave, or did that get fix...
Still does
But really it's not that bad
I mean
Outlaw in blitz is ass so it doesn't really matter
stoic spruce
Assa bleeds knocks everyone out of stealth
quaint cedar
Stealth breaking bugs really annoy me
stoic spruce
And idk/care about sub to know if anything breaks stealth
clever sail
Outlaw in blitz is ass so it doesn't really matter
is it actually? i seemed to do pretty well last season but i haven't queued anything other than solo this season
stoic spruce
It's not "bad" but you pop adr vanish and then CC locked and now you have no adr and 1 vanish charge
Or get one-shot by a fotm reroller
clever sail
last season i kept swapping between supercharger and vigor depending on the map because it felt like i wasn't able to have consistent adrenaline rush uptime
stoic spruce
I don't find the headache worth it imo
clever sail
the damage loss from removing supercharger and forced induction feels pretty bad though
clever sail
i was going to mention that i swapped to dragon because i really like the out of combat regen, especially in battlegrounds
quaint cedar
I got to like 2800 mmr or something in blitz last season. Outlaw seemed pretty good. I'm sure sub is way better
No idea for this season
clever sail
you can double jump the ledges in the new arena as well, which is a nice bonus
i was at 3105 cr, i think i had like 3.6k mmr
quaint cedar
lol nice
clever sail
i just sort of ran out of time to queue because i was only queueing the last two weeks of the season. i'm not doing very well at my goal to queue more this season, haha
quaint cedar
Yeah I didn't queue that much blitz. I liked it, but arena is my main thing. I just queued blitz occasionally when I felt like it
I was going to push even more shuffle this season, since most seasons I don't bother pushing until mid-late season
But I might actually just hate this meta too much
So I'm not really reaching my queue goals either lol
clever sail
tbh i just swapped to rogue this expansion, i had been playing surv hunter in shadowlands and dragonflight and i don't really like the changes to the spec this expansion, so i went with something else instead
i've really been enjoying rogue because it feels like i end up winning things that i'm almost certain i would have lost as hunter
quaint cedar
Yeah rogue is great for that
Always room for improvement no matter how long you've played it
Feels like anyways
clever sail
i really like 1v1s against other rogues too! i always feel like there was an opportunity for me to have won, and that it's pretty clear to me when i get outplayed by another rogue
i always feel like i learn something when another rogue just completely trounces me in a 1v1
with this silly pvp talent nerf upcoming i'm probs going to try to queue a bunch this weekend, so at least i have motivation now, haha
outer sky
i've really been enjoying rogue because it feels like i end up winning things th...
I feel this way when I play my WW monk sometimes. "If I was on my rogue, I would have had to swap on that pain sup. But I'm a monk so I just killed him through it"
i'm only 2400xp on WW monk though
and I havent touched it since they removed keefers
worst change ever
quaint cedar
i really like 1v1s against other rogues too! i always feel like there was an op...
That's partially what got me hooked on rogue when I first tried it in SL. I love knowing there's always a way I could play better. Motivates me to keep improving
clever sail
i started my rogue in shadowlands after losing to the sepsis build a bunch of times and being unhappy about it
hidden moth
going over patch notes again and
holy fuck its ass
mm buffs, barly any nerf to ww
more disc nerfs when its fine now
big hpal hpriest buffs
outer sky
mm buffs, barly any nerf to ww
WW took a pretty big nerf recently with their karma losing the PvP buff
people keep forgetting about that
all that spec can do is damage
it has the least CC in the game
and it can die now
hidden moth
buffed conduit healing 50%
outer sky
buffed conduit healing 50%
yeah but you ideally never want to use that to heal as a WW
the line between "broken" damage and "balanced" damage is really thin for WW but it's there
quaint cedar
mm buffs, barly any nerf to ww
This one hurts yeah. WW has been frustrating in shuffle. People keep dying to it long before my spec can do anything useful
outer sky
if it ever doesn't do enough damage it just falls out of relevance because its just a DH with less utility
quaint cedar
Yeah WW is tough to balance
hidden moth
okay but can we bring back 30 yrd range auto attacks
open thunder
first time doing pvp, very proud of myself, wouldnt have made it here without your guys help, thanks a lot !
potent pivot
first time doing pvp, very proud of myself, wouldnt have made it here without yo...
noob
open thunder
????
wait till you send your 2k io in my channel trickz
wait and see
I will remember this
potent pivot
wait till you send your 2k io in my channel trickz
i would not dream of it
bro
that would be like running into a burning building drenched in gasoline @open thunder
open thunder
hidden moth
can outlaw rogues get higher than 2k io rn? i mean with blade flurry still being hard capped and all
potent pivot
can outlaw rogues get higher than 2k io rn? i mean with blade flurry still being...
outlaw is good yes
hidden moth
outlaw is good yes
refering to this lad spending days in assa disc complaining about outlaw stuff
hidden moth
first time doing pvp, very proud of myself, wouldnt have made it here without yo...
gz
open thunder
im going for the r1 golden road trifecta
r1 raid
r1 m+
r1 pvp
no cap no cap
trickz told me i was gifted at outlaw pvp
he said i was the new pikaboo guy
lost quest
Is it a new trend for rogues to have the shortest amount of text from all the class changes?
stoic spruce
That I can see
open thunder
you can be the next kalvish
who
open thunder
I have no idea whats happening in this video
at all
sounds like he is doing insane shit tho
good for him
stoic spruce
Did you expect them to not nerf it?
It wasn't a matter of if, but a matter of when
And when? Tuesday.
Also confession
I never run it. Boarding Party too fun
severe helm
im going for the r1 golden road trifecta
I can't wait to follow your journey
stoic spruce
Zac you should stream it
grave basin
if it ever doesn't do enough damage it just falls out of relevance because its j...
was thinking it's a more clunky fury warrior
hollow sundial
hidden moth
was thinking it's a more clunky fury warrior
this tbh
wanton breach
I have no idea whats happening in this video
he writes on screen what is happening but I guess it's harder to fully grasp some of this insanity without actually playing pvp yourself
grave basin
I have no idea whats happening in this video
20505000000 hours of rogue and adderal
last jasper
lol, no changes for fury. wow
grand sentinel
Does any1 have a Sub PVP guide? Cant find one on YT
true warren
whats the best sub opener with subterfuge?
i only ever played the thistle tea b...
bump
gusty hedge
Preemptive nerfed for only outlaw hahahaa
wow. they really showing no love for my favorite spec
Rip Hook now Rip Preemptive manuv blizz butchered anything remotely fun on rogue
languid ravine
-Blinding Light no longer removes damage over time effects from enemy players.
HUGE rogue buffs letsegoo
open thunder
he writes on screen what is happening but I guess it's harder to fully grasp som...
Ye for someone that doesn't pvp it still doesn't mean anything to me lol
languid ravine
is there an option in Details to find what broke my stealth?
been getting very sussy unstealths twice in a row from nothing
safe pelican
Why did they gut outlaw like that i haven’t even tried preemptive yet lmao
Outlaw must’ve been cracked to be the only thing touched
I feel like 40-% was a lot though maybe this is more normalized
languid ravine
they nerfed the talent.. preemptively
safe pelican
they nerfed the talent.. preemptively
Fitting for the devs
hybrid palm
Not sure why people upset about preemptive change, removal of duel was way bigger:D
dapper chasm
Feint is easy to use
wanton breach
only since it is finally off gcd again
stoic spruce
Why did they gut outlaw like that i haven’t even tried preemptive yet lmao
I could get stunned, scratch my nuts, and my health bar would barely move
Was great tho
Already so humid here
gusty hedge
gusty hedge
Not sure why people upset about preemptive change, removal of duel was way bigge...
outlaw been getting shit on back to back, now more nerfs
so much for standing toe to toe with the enemy
stoic spruce
I'm still sore about EB
Preemptive meant nothing to me
But EB?
I'm writing an email for SURE
gusty hedge
i started to actually like that talent lol now no more 1v3 open world
love all the mm/ww/pallies i been seeing out in the world ready to fight. My hook dead now idk what ima do in wpvp hahah
stoic spruce
You know what though?
Maybe it'll get the raise abomination treatment
And become a pve talent in a couple years
gusty hedge
😭 😭
hybrid palm
I mean can still use perma feint if talent into thiefs bargain 😄
gusty hedge
I mean can still use perma feint if talent into thiefs bargain 😄
isn't that a sub talent?
hybrid palm
Probably ya
gusty hedge
yeah think so!
someone said preemptive only nerfed for outlaw, so other specs should be gravy
😭
stoic spruce
Mmmm gravy
gleaming sentinel
outlaw could have it up bascally perma
vocal surge
Ye, but the only thing active as your doing your rotation is Elusiveness
Preemptive Maneuver doesn't kick in until your stunned
vocal surge
When did they make Feint no longer reduce AOE damage taken in PvP combat?
safe pelican
But EB?
I told mewo the same thing I really liked EB that allowed you go to super sayain in team battles
warped vine
hello pvp fellas, is there a way of getting conq without getting a full set of pvp gear first, trying to get the trinket for pve
or do I just need to suck it up and craft a full set with heraldry and throw myself into the wall in solo shuffle until I'm conquestcapped
hybrid palm
Is perforated veins + planned execution better or weapon master + inevitability
dark kernel
hello pvp fellas, is there a way of getting conq without getting a full set of p...
You can just do the weekly quest and daily BG wins for 2 days and get the trinket
glass iris
hello pvp fellas, is there a way of getting conq without getting a full set of p...
Trinket for pve?
warped vine
Trinket for pve?
the on use trinket is bis for sub pve
warped vine
You can just do the weekly quest and daily BG wins for 2 days and get the trinke...
what's the weekly quest, I'm confused by the dwarf giving 3 quests
dark kernel
what's the weekly quest, I'm confused by the dwarf giving 3 quests
All 3 are weekly those
Are them
You also get 250 conq from the easy winter grasp quest
warped vine
is there a 250 conq quest for the other epic bgs or just wg
dark kernel
Just wg
last jasper
hello pvp fellas, is there a way of getting conq without getting a full set of p...
war crates. u could find grp in lfg farming crates with an addon
halcyon timber
Is perforated veins + planned execution better or weapon master + inevitability
Play what you want. It is all tuned very close. Really just a play style preference . (Good thing too)
languid ravine
why is there a windwalker in my 1900 rated lobby doing 1.2mil dps every round is he in Season 3 already?
halcyon timber
Slicing farts and invocations multi hitting stuff likely
languid ravine
okay my details bugged out but it is still twice as much as everyone else kek
halcyon timber
is there a 250 conq quest for the other epic bgs or just wg
You can kill the leader in ashran once per season for 250 conquest too with a quest in your base.
warped vine
what do you use to upgrade conq gear?
is it honor or even more conq
I have 400 from just doing the wg
halcyon timber
Check the upgrade vendor for specific details (only effects pve lvl)
Combination of things such as crests are used
warped vine
war crates. u could find grp in lfg farming crates with an addon
what lfg does this fall under? checking custom and it's just sparks whatever that is
is that what I'm looking for
halcyon timber
okay my details bugged out but it is still twice as much as everyone else kek
Yeah super blender. No sq rt formula on their attacks for less damage taken by additional targets other than the primary target iirc
halcyon timber
what lfg does this fall under? checking custom and it's just sparks whatever tha...
Prob custom groups. Usually easy to find but i prefer hitting things solo tbh
warped vine
is sparks something else
last jasper
is that what I'm looking for
yea, usually in pvp section
glass iris
You also get 250 conq from the easy winter grasp quest
Where do I find this quest?
last jasper
enter winter grasp bg
glass iris
And what's this: You can kill the leader in ashran once per season for 250 conquest too with a quest in your base.
glass iris
enter winter grasp bg
Thanks :)
halcyon timber
And what's this: You can kill the leader in ashran once per season for 250 conqu...
You enter ashran and an npc will have a conquest quest to kill the opposing faction’s leader.
Gives 1k honor too I think
warped vine
joined a spark group and it's apparently just pvping at this worldquest location
can you get sparks in a raidgroup
gleaming sentinel
I have such a hard time in shuffle figuring out what to do half the time
halcyon timber
I have such a hard time in shuffle figuring out what to do half the time
That’s ok man, just keep working and adapting to what you see. Don’t sweat it.
languid ravine
mandatory "you have to put enemy hp to 0" post
potent pivot
the on use trinket is bis for sub pve
Well, not “bis” exactly
halcyon timber
can you get sparks in a raidgroup
Not sure as most quests don’t allow completion in raid groups. Only way to know is to watch the counter on your screen for progress.
I find it easier to just tag jokers while they grudge match it in a neutral pvp objective area.
Ex the undermine world quest in the north eastern area
potent pivot
Sparks quest is party only afaik
warped vine
I was just brawling with a party and it worked out
proper meteor
If your server is dominated by your faction you can follow the war supply crates between each zone. Can get 180 conq every 20 mins or so, if you time the spawns, without pvping at all
warped vine
can't do the solo shuffle quest because I'm not high enough ilvl to queue it
I haven't seen either a war crate or a group for farming it, it seems like it's very onesided with people of my same faction though
proper meteor
there's some rng to the spawns but they are max every 20 mins in a zone. Depending on the syncing of the spawns you can get 2-3 crates in each 20 min period from different zones
potent pivot
Alliance typically gets them all
warped vine
do I see them in zones I'm not in
proper meteor
yeah alliance win 99% from my exp, I was able to get conquest capped in about 4 or 5 hours on a new toon doing it while semi-afk
nah you don't
warped vine
I'm kinda just standing on a hill in isle of dorn waiting for sometihng on the map
potent pivot
You should get a WA to alert you to spawns
You gotta be in the zone it spawns in but the WA will pop up as soon as it starts flying in your zone
warped vine
any link to a working weakaura?
can't tell if the dragonflight ones would work
we're 4 people just standing on a rock so I guess I found a good spot to wait in at least
proper meteor
there is a chat popup from the earthen dude when they drop as well
sharp sierra
look at this rogue in my group:
potent pivot
any link to a working weakaura?
warped vine
thank you
should I zoom to another zone after looting that one and hope there's another one prepped there or how does it work
proper meteor
yeah take a note of the drop time
head somewhere else
come back in maybe 17-18 mins
if you're lucky you can cycle 3-4 zones if they're timed right
warped vine
hopefully I won't need that much conq if they drop 180 each
proper meteor
60 each sadly, 180 is for the 3
warped vine
ah
proper meteor
I was averaging 3 hence the 180
warped vine
makes sense ty
sharp sierra
did u guys see that rogue
severe helm
wow. they really showing no love for my favorite spec<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344...
Wait what happened to hook
gusty hedge
Wait what happened to hook
Tbh not only hook is broken, probably intentional by blizzard. Hook still working 70% of the time but fixed in instance settings. I should've said broken in open world, most of the cast say path not available or goes on cd if jumping while hooking sometimes even if nothing is blocking your path, being unable to hook onto any structures in open world, I got knocked mid air and was unable to hook to save my life because i fell on a a rooftop that wasnt flat 😭.( already used my glider to get away and mount)
hidden moth
whats the name of the crate addon?
sharp sierra
yeah but did you guys see that rogue i posted above
severe helm
Tbh not only hook is broken, probably intentional by blizzard. Hook still workin...
Hooks only really broken in open world
Works like 100% in pvp and dungeons and raid in my experience
severe helm
yeah but did you guys see that rogue i posted above
The panda?
sharp sierra
The panda?
yeah
potent pivot
whats the name of the crate addon?
i would just get the weakaura unless ur in a raid group
hidden moth
where da w/a
potent pivot
search 'supply crate' on wago.io
it should be the last one that says "TWW" in its title
hybrid palm
Is it normal to have stealth broken by shamans n demon hunters at start of round n look like a loser in front of 5 others 😄
hidden moth
Is it normal to have stealth broken by shamans n demon hunters at start of round...
dont run down mid
dh has a ability that gives true sight
step sap them
hybrid palm
Ya I stand behind pillar etc, but they toss a sigil at my location, n shamans seem to sprout roots that I can't see
hidden moth
doint walk into it
halcyon timber
30 yards iirc
Druid mass root and dk riders also get you
Shadow priest ghosts hump you too
halcyon timber
Dunno what range upgraded version of totems are. I think one of shaman trees gives another 15%
May be totemic +|- other talents
halcyon timber
Totemic focus increases range 15% too iirc
Yeah pulsing radius dunno about but definitely be cautious on placement
Tend to run wide B lines just incase vs them
35 yard range for earthbind totem on wowhead + totemic focus 15% =5.25 more yards for total of 40.25 yards
hidden moth
Totemic focus increases range 15% too iirc
increases size and radius
not range
in totemic its 35 yrd range and 10 yrds around the totem
also is anyone else getting spam d/c
potent pivot
yep
The game gave me a 2nd DH weapon
At this point I think my DH is gonna end up being my main in pve
It’s almost catching up to my rogue in 2 days off barely playing it
gleaming sentinel
Delves are so legit for gearing
potent pivot
Yeah it’s kinda wild for catch up gear in a new season
Took me like 30 of them to get my rogue caught up
Done maybe 6-7 on my DH and it’s getting juiced
gleaming sentinel
Inspiring me to get an alt going
potent pivot
I’ve gotten 2 champ warglaives, a hero track suspicious energy drink and other shit
Been nutty
latent patrol
hidden moth
my dh is like 656 rn 10s have been fun gonna start pushing itno 11 aND 12S SOON
potent pivot
hybrid palm
Could someone explain to me dfa is worth it? Just for out of dance darkest night eviscerates right? N niche chase. Otherwise a backstab does more than 15% of eviscerate
potent pivot
Could someone explain to me dfa is worth it? Just for out of dance darkest night...
you can use it during dance too
it has a few different use cases
it can follow warlock when they port
it can immune certain CC if you time it correctly
can help a bit into certain specs that kite
and its also decent for damage
its probably one of our most unique pvp talents that we have left besides smoke bomb
hybrid palm
Ya the portal warlock chase is cool
potent pivot
idr if it can follow monk port
but basically it can be good any time you don't want to use tricks pvp talent
or dismantle
hybrid palm
Use preemptive always ?
last jasper
Fckin hell. I feel like current monk state is even more burst than df s1 with 200% crit.
potent pivot
hemo/tricks/dfa/disarm/preemptive are all able to be swapped depending on comps
preemptive is really good, especially for assa, but it does not work on all stuns
they have to be auto attacking you for it to trigger basically, its weird
besides HOJ iirc
last jasper
they have to be auto attacking you for it to trigger basically, its weird
what do u mean? 😄
it doesn't work when simply stun applied to u?
potent pivot
it doesn't work when simply stun applied to u?
nope
it doesn't work on stuns that do damage either iirc
@jaunty osprey did some testing
last jasper
LMAO
last jasper
U had one job blizzard
potent pivot
ikr
they added this sick new thing
but you expect it to work? 
development has really been falling off
vocal surge
they added this sick new thing
and shadow nerfed Elusiveness while doing so
potent pivot
the -5% dmg in stun gem is the same too btw @last jasper
potent pivot
and shadow nerfed Elusiveness while doing so
?
vocal surge
in PvP combat, while talented into Elusiveness, you lose the 40% damage reduction to AOE effects
potent pivot
oh i hadn't noticed ngl
is that just the tooltip?
or actual testing
because tooltips have been increasingly fucked up lately
vocal surge
It probably needs to be tested
but wowhead aeems to have the option on Feint's tooltip
that says PvP Hardcoded
that also remove the 40% aoe dr
potent pivot
that says PvP Hardcoded
yeah i see that
thats odd
there's zero reason to remove the aoe reduction
vocal surge
The last Feint was mentioned in the patch notes was in 11.0.7 which leads me to believe it was nerfed on 11.1's release
potent pivot
possibly
we need to test that then just to be sure
would be a really weird change
last jasper
spaghetti code
potent pivot
because what would feint do without elusiveness in pvp?
it would do literally nothing?
doesn't make any sense imo
lets just cast this for fun guys
vocal surge
potent pivot
i highly doubt that its changed
last jasper
Hardcoded indeed
potent pivot
there's no shot they just make base feint do nothing
gleaming sentinel
It’s like fake smoke bomb in that context
potent pivot
stoic spruce
No way that's not an oversight
hybrid palm
Use preemptive always ?
Didn't intend to start this sry 😄
last jasper
I would actually prefer to not know this 😄
potent pivot
last jasper
mental health you know
hybrid palm
So feint aoe reduction in pvp is when we equip gem or just normally ?
hidden moth
potent pivot
So feint aoe reduction in pvp is when we equip gem or just normally ?
huh
has nothing to do with the gem
last jasper
has nothing to do with the gem
u never know
vocal surge
So feint aoe reduction in pvp is when we equip gem or just normally ?
as long as Elusiveness (General Class Tree Talent) is not talented into
last jasper
hybrid palm
As in we pick cheat death then always in pvp ?
stoic spruce
Check and see if preemptive is doing it
potent pivot
no
potent pivot
As in we pick cheat death then always in pvp ?
when you take elusiveness the more important part of it is the ST dmg reduction anyway
this doesn't really change anything about what we use
vocal surge
Check and see if preemptive is doing it
hidden moth
i mean
potent pivot
its just weird
hidden moth
aoe dr> st dr when fighting dh
vocal surge
or Monk
hidden moth
eye beam and dance are aoe
potent pivot
we don't even know if the talent is actually doing this though
no one has tested it
atm its just a tooltip
vocal surge
Aye
last jasper
Who else might experience a WoW crash after a simple random alt-tab?
stoic spruce
Me
potent pivot
aoe dr> st dr when fighting dh
notice i said "when you take elusiveness"
stoic spruce
My pc is just that bad tho
potent pivot
last jasper
Who else might experience a WoW crash after a simple random alt-tab?
this started after 11.1
potent pivot
i haven't had that happening, that i've noticed anyway
hybrid palm
It's a windows 24h2 thing, the alt tab bug
vocal surge
Moon Guard Goldshire lookin different today
potent pivot
stoic spruce
My dog
last jasper
I just lost a game cuz I quickly alt tab to read discord really fast
it just freeze randomly. sometimes it crash
hybrid palm
I think a fix has been released, mine has stopped happening since last windows update
stoic spruce
Reminds me of that XQC clip where he randomly opens a CS crate mid match
hybrid palm
You need to update windows
last jasper
I think a fix has been released, mine has stopped happening since last windows u...
u had it too ?
hybrid palm
Ya, for many weeks
2 times got -150 rating also cause of it
Also don't use chrome
That also interacts to crash wow
last jasper
nope, nothing.
last jasper
That also interacts to crash wow
I see, I usually have chrome opened. But I can't not to use chrome sadly
last jasper
In chrome there's a setting to disable if you use it
what setting?
hybrid palm
I've forgotten what's the setting in chrome
Something to do with gpu
N fancy browser interactions
So in chrome settings
In system
Disable use graphics acceleration when available
last jasper
Wow, I just had a massive freeze while was checking chrome. the whole pc wasn't resposive for a few secs
last jasper
Disable use graphics acceleration when available
not sure. all browsers do have this enabled by default
vocal surge
hybrid palm
I just found this online n used it
This together with windows update fixed my alt tabbing issues
hybrid palm
So we use cheat death ?
vocal surge
last jasper
This together with windows update fixed my alt tabbing issues
well, windows says its up to date. I might try not using chrome for a while just for a test.But I'm not sure if it's Chrome because I haven't noticed this with other games.
potent pivot
which talent you use depends on comp you face
vocal surge
^
potent pivot
elu/cheat have always been interchangable
neither of them are 100% use all the time
hybrid palm
well, windows says its up to date. I might try not using chrome for a while just...
Try it I think it should work
hybrid palm
which talent you use depends on comp you face
Ok
hybrid palm
well, windows says its up to date. I might try not using chrome for a while just...
I was having the issue until last week btw, then some windows updates came that fixed it, before that I had already done the chrome changes / discontinued use
last jasper
I was having the issue until last week btw, then some windows updates came that ...
I might have noticed a slight freeze with chrome closed.
I was having it since 11.1 patch. And my laptop is like 6m old. So it's not hardware
but its really annoying
nah, its lagged again. so its not chrome
vocal surge
nah, its lagged again. so its not chrome
you on Windows?
Aye, you do
Try closing OneDrive
last jasper
Try closing OneDrive
closed since it was first realsed 😄
hybrid palm
nah, its lagged again. so its not chrome
Do you have windows 11 24h2
All my problems surfaced after I updated to that
Also I was holding back on the update because I read bad things about it, but it one day auto updated
I even once reconnected back to solo shuffle with talents reset to pve n gear too, n I was running around playing transmitter 😄
last jasper
Do you have windows 11 24h2
Idk 😂
I usually keep everything updated. So I assume yes
jaunty osprey
also
all of you guys
talking about
the AOE aspect being removed
did any of u guys even check it
jaunty osprey
hmm
jaunty osprey
oh yeah
jaunty osprey
they're right
hidden moth
👑
hidden moth
they're right
huh
potent pivot
About feint
jaunty osprey
you dont get the aoe reduction
potent pivot
hidden moth
so no aoe reductyion in pvp at all
potent pivot
No
jaunty osprey
no aoe reduction with elusiveness
hidden moth
or no reduction if u are sending it with pvp talent
potent pivot
When you talent elu
vocal surge
35% for Outlaw in the upcoming patch
dark kernel
The question then would be, which classes would it be worth taking elusiveness.
Against Cupid you have the high single target from the BM, versus the all AoE from the ret
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot
this showing that
you dont get the extra DR in stun
till you get autod
potent pivot
yeh
jaunty osprey
BUT it seems to always work for hoj and cheapshot and kidney
even when they dont auto
potent pivot
yeah i remember you brought up hoj the other day
and all the damaging stuns don't work period?
or does it also kick in when you get auto'd during those
maim/shockwave etc
jaunty osprey
uhh ignore damaging stun thing
jaunty osprey
ya
cause we tested with binding shot too
same thing
until i get MELEE autod
it doesnt give the additional
but those SS show it better cause
potent pivot
pet autos as well ya?
jaunty osprey
open thunder
i have never once read a line of change for pvp
potent pivot
potent pivot
i have never once read a line of change for pvp
were u even using the pvp talent that got nerfed zac
open thunder
idk
potent pivot
the feint pvp talent