pvp

[potent pivot]

Balance patches are usually on like any weekday

But could be next week as well who knows

[stoic spruce]

My uncle works at blizzard

He knows

[potent pivot]

Still a few top 10 guilds progging I think?

[stoic spruce]

But he won't tell me

[potent pivot]

I wonder if rogue will get anything at all

Starting to seem like we’re very middle of the pack in all content

If not a bit lower

[hidden moth]

sub mw dh do i run dfa or dismantle in this shuff

that or hemo tox but thinkin just sending disarm for rogue and dh

[gleaming pawn]

dismantle is useless because the DH just retreats and removes it

[hidden moth]

retreat removes dismantle with glimse?

good to know\

[gleaming pawn]

yep super annoying

dismantle is the pick when facing the rogue though to shut down their goes

[hidden moth]

ya

2-4 that lobby

just didnt have the burst to secure the kill

[gleaming pawn]

it was a rough lobby for a rogue. Only way it could have been worse really is a feral or maybe warrior in place of that sub rogue

[hidden moth]

in rmp 3v3 mage should way out damage the assa rogue ya?

no shot this should be dam break don

down

[hidden moth]

with all the hunters and monks rn is there a better comp than pmr rn?

rogue lock priest?

[grave basin]

I mean you can passively cleave 2x garrote to two melee

[hidden moth]

thats true

just our cc alignmentgs werent there and i found out later homie didnt have a dr tracker

unless ur nahj or aeghis no shot u run rmp with 0 dr tracker

im gonna try aff lock assa tommorow and learn sub/ work on cc chains

[vocal surge]

had an epic 2v2 game

disc priest fury war vs me outlaw + disc priest

[outer sky]

Pic 1 is my rupture tooltip with the AoE bleed build, pic 2 is with with the kingsbane build. Same gear. Both in PvP. Any idea what would cause such a massive difference???

[vocal surge]

our healers decided to stop going for fears on each other after 2 fear attempts

and it became a showdown between me n the fury punching each other

bladestorm and Killing spree at the same time

both healers low on mana, high dampening

and the health bar jumping

[potent pivot]

some sorta tooltip bug i'm sure

[potent pivot]

actually looks like the first one is in pvp and the 2nd one is not

yep

i'm getting the same tooltip

with each build

[outer sky]

is it a bug? Cuz both were in PvP

[potent pivot]

the 2nd pic isn't with pvp scaling

thats the tooltip with pve ilvl of your gear

mine looks the same

~2mil with pve ilvl, and ~4mil with pvp scaling

[severe helm]

@potent pivot was the only pvp dagger mast vers last season too?

[severe helm]

finality?

[potent pivot]

yh

[severe helm]

grr

[potent pivot]

he plays assa

[severe helm]

ah

[outer sky]

Did they buff assa's 4 set? my tooltip is showing 2 set with the pvp nerf but not 4 set

[potent pivot]

i'm 99.99999% positive its just pve VS pvp scaling on the tooltip

[severe helm]

those tooltips are often bugged @outer sky

tooltips are weirdly one of the things they fuck up the most

[potent pivot]

the 50% additional effect is nerfed by 50%, so it's only 25%

the 4p also says 4 second duration when its actually 10 seconds

fwiw

[severe helm]

lol

weird

[outer sky]

yeah but it used to say 25% in the tooltip now it doesnt

[potent pivot]

idk man i highly doubt that they unnerfed it

they just suck at tooltips

could be because you don't have it equipped or something no idea

[outer sky]

i do have it equipped

oh you mean 4 set

yeah but

i didnt a few days ago when I saw it say 25% lol

[potent pivot]

they still haven't fixed the 4p saying 4 second duration either so

just can't trust half the newly added stuff's tooltips

[outer sky]

did we know that when we said we werent sure if it was worth running 4 set?

[potent pivot]

nope

still might not run it even factoring that in though

[grave basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/yfG9vlrpXY

Isn't this insane for those that don't want 4pc

[potent pivot]

Highly doubt the bonuses will work in arena

[hidden moth]

No it was crit vers season 1

[potent pivot]

Or any rated pvp

[grave basin]

It does

Look at the comments

[potent pivot]

It won’t

Is what I’m saying

What it does on PTR isn’t always relevant

[grave basin]

wish it did

[potent pivot]

idk

having to run lower pvp ilvl for a set bonus sounds kinda meh

[hidden moth]

Tricks give me ur thoughts

Rmp or aff assa 3s

[potent pivot]

aff

[hidden moth]

Thought so

Also for rmp I would need to be sub rogue with frost mage for it to do well yeah

[potent pivot]

you can prolly do fine as assa

[hidden moth]

I’m just running into issues of 3X use of vanish I can’t get cheap shot or silence rolling again

[potent pivot]

but i think assa/aff is just kind of an easier time if no vc etc

[hidden moth]

We were in vc but idk what my mage was doing 😭😭😭😭

But fair

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot if that does work in pvp

we def run 2 set 2 set

LOL

[grave basin]

2pc for 4% verse is kinda insane

There are some 4pcs that are worth that much in pve

[marsh folio]

so brand new to pvp, returning wow player. Question. With all the focus macros, and abilties etc etc. How do you guys prevent a ton of keybinds usage, or do you just bind your entire keyboard? E.g. a normal kick usage keybind, and then a seperate focus kick keybind

[potent pivot]

Modifiers and MMO mice

[marsh folio]

ive got a 12 button MMO mouse, so thats a good start

[potent pivot]

Can also use modifier macros to have something on the same bind but with shift, like

If your Kick is on E as an example, a modifier macro for shift-E to Kick your focus

Rogue is really keybind heavy in pvp

You don’t really have to get into focus macros and stuff until your more comfortable imo

Like if you’re still relearning stuff, it can be good to add those in later once you’re comfortable playing etc

[languid ravine]

MMO mouse is bait, lots of button to break, the weight is a warcrime on your wrists and once it breaks or your wrists hurt you ll have to spend a month unlearning your 12 side button dependency

[severe helm]

macros

[marsh folio]

Oh ive been mythic raiding with my mouse for years now

[severe helm]

these are what my mouse buttons are

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

you can essentially macro keybinds

mostly just saves bar slots

but its a nice paradigm

imo

[marsh folio]

what in the seven is happening here

what would ths macro accomplish

[potent pivot]

Modifier macro

[severe helm]

my mouse buttons are kick, cheap shot, sap, gouge, disarm, blind, kidney, focus, etc

if I hold shift

all those buttons target arena 1

alt is 2

ctrl is 3

and nomod is focus

so I can really easily target anyone in the arena without actually targeting them

[marsh folio]

oh so u essentially have 3 keybinds saved on one slot

thats pretty cool

[severe helm]

yeah

[potent pivot]

Arena1/2/3 macros will cast spells on whoever is arena target 1, 2 or 3

[severe helm]

it can be a lot to get used to

but whenever i play a new char its super easy for me to adjust to arena 1,2,3 cuz I always followt his pattern

[potent pivot]

I don’t use that kinda shit

I use modifiers for focus version of spells

[severe helm]

Yeah I just hate swapping around my focus if I need to use something on someone else

I always keep focus on healer

[potent pivot]

And I have /target arena1/2/3 on binds themselves

[severe helm]

yeah I have tar arena1,2,3 on scroll wheel

but then I have to target the person then swap target back

[marsh folio]

im lost

scroll wheel to target people?

[severe helm]

yeah scroll up is arena 1, mid click is 2, and down is 3

[potent pivot]

You can bind scroll wheel to anything

[marsh folio]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-4375529952616887689

[potent pivot]

Very underrated keybind

[severe helm]

I have shift scroll set to interact with mouseover

for those flag pickups haha

[marsh folio]

waaaai waai waaaai, how do I do this. targeting 1 2 and 3 with mouse, macros right?

[potent pivot]

I’m still not settled on what to keep on scroll wheel tbh

I change it up often

[potent pivot]

/target arena1

[marsh folio]

so maybe for now

[potent pivot]

/target arena2

Etc

[marsh folio]

get used to having CCs on mouse?

[severe helm]

its just built in

[potent pivot]

Get used to playing without any of this shit first

[marsh folio]

and then standard 1,2,3,4,5 and shift 1,2,3,4,5 for damaging anilities ?

[potent pivot]

Get a solid foundation of how to play your spec

[severe helm]

yeah the mouse arena ability thing isnt something Id recommend to start with

[marsh folio]

currently 1 day into sub rogue and i can burst up to 1.8M dps with 652 pvp gear

is that okay?

[potent pivot]

And Q,E,R,F,G,Z,X,C

[marsh folio]

id usually have q e for defensives

Im a former Cutting edge player so im not completely useless

pvp is way different tho

[potent pivot]

That’s fine if that’s what you prefer

Just saying that those are good binds in general

[marsh folio]

yea nice

i never use z, could get used to that

[potent pivot]

Some people also unbind S in pvp

And use it for spells

[marsh folio]

thats so smart

[potent pivot]

There’s no real micro adjustments of positioning needed

[marsh folio]

cuz backpeddling i remembered was frowned upon

[potent pivot]

Moving slower is basically always bad

[marsh folio]

Okay ill start my rebinding processes now

wish me luck sirs

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

Ill never give up backpedal

[marsh folio]

@potent pivot update, after really checking thru the spellbook. take away un necassary abilities and really focus on the stuff u need for pvp, its not that much. ive got everything i need abilities bounded and got a few binds leftover for macros now. thanks for the advice

[grave basin]

I didn't even know they baked this in noe

I can finally delete those macros

[tacit juniper]

Do you guys know if this can be used on crafted items if they have the "increase ilvl in pvp combat" modification?

[languid ravine]

yes works

[tacit juniper]

ok that's pretty huge

[old dome]

Iam a bit lost now regarding gearing.

2 set (chest and shoulder), conq weapon (2.5k conq achiv), BT cloak, bracer and gloves is what iam having atm.

Any pointers with this weeks reset?

Conq helm, and socket it?

[trail ice]

think 2 set should be the hat and gloves first

jewelry is good to get as soon as you can I think

it has the most bonuses

[old dome]

My neck and rings are crafeed

[stiff cedar]

Same. Plus I alt windwalker so back peddling while channeling fist of fury to keep them in front of you and parry as they walk at you is a genuine use case

[hidden moth]

I’ve used my razor naga v3 for 2 years no no issues

[hidden moth]

Use it a lot on pet classes but as far as rogue I mostly use mouse wheel tilt and alt down for health stone

[languid ravine]

120grams OUCH
thats like saying " Ive been a football quarterback for 2 years without injuries "

sure hope it stays that way

[last jasper]

Do u use all 12 keybinds on it?

[old dome]

Not me you asked. But I use a logitech g600. Using all 12 keybinds.

Upper row defensives, midd row offensives, lower rows utility (vanish, ss, target enemy etc).

[last jasper]

I just use 6. Can’t force my self to use all 12 🫠

and it feels weird to press last row with my grip

[stoic spruce]

Don't listen to the "MMO mouse is bait" nonsense

Go through every channel and you'll never find something more wrong

36 binds at the press of a thumb

Somehow bait

[void aspen]

Been using a Naga for about 12 years, absolutely love MMO mouse for not only WoW

[stoic spruce]

I use it for everything yeah

[gleaming sentinel]

I have a 20 dollar Walmart mouse

[hidden moth]

Is 120 grams heavy or some shit?

Need to work out more of it is

[hidden moth]

Ya

I rebound the keys to be 1-6 on f keys so I can still use 1-6 with my left hand on keyboard

[potent pivot]

low weight mice are kinda popular, like ~30grams etc

but thats more for FPS games n shit

you aren't flicking your mouse nearly as much in wow compared to other games

[hidden moth]

I can see that for fps bc I have a different razor mouse for fps games

[potent pivot]

yep

there's a reason there's such a big market for MMO mice

[hidden moth]

Inserts compilation of hunters flick shooting cross map traps

[potent pivot]

its because they work well

[hidden moth]

12 keys

48 technically when u add in the shift alt ctrl mods

That’s before even considering mouse wheel tilt and scroll etc

[potent pivot]

Yep

I barely use modifiers on my mouse binds even

Kinda prefer modifiers on my kb binds

[severe helm]

It's not necessary but it is very nice to have

There's plenty of r1 level players who have never had an MMO mouse

But many of them do

[safe pelican]

R1 without a mouse is mental , thats nasty work

Then again i did get 1600 SS using a MacBook touchpad with no mouse lmaooo , i cannot thank the person who recommended the naga to me enough

Last row grip does suck though +1 on that but it gets the job done

[jaunty osprey]

I dont use a mmo mouse

too lazy to change my binds that i’ve been using for 10+ years

[alpine tinsel]

did mages get an extra blink or did I just happen to que into good ones twice lol

[supple pulsar]

Some r1 didn't even use mouse

I mean at least 1

[severe helm]

Without an MMO mouse haha

No mouse as a modern r1 would be pretty rough I think

[stoic spruce]

Trackpad r1 soon

[cold stratus]

hi, are epic battle grounds bugged right now? When joined one, I got a loading after a few minutes, after that I could not move anymore and stuck and ported out after a minute oO.

[stoic spruce]

That's a new one

Does it happen everytime?

[cold stratus]

it happend twice

once at the start of the bg

maybe after a a minute of playtime

in the second one, after 5 minutes

then the bg was suddenly over

allthough it wasnt

[safe pelican]

Keybind players , MMO mouse players & keybind + MMO mouse players

I have a a shit ton of binds and only has my naga for 1-12 cause i couldn’t figure out the alt/shift modifier & i like it better this way never was a fan of hitting alt or shift but i should prob learn don’t have as many years on wow as you guys lol

[last jasper]

Low weight is better not only for fps, but less risk carpal syndrome.

[last jasper]

I tried to bind shift and alt (they are bind rn) so maybe I would use more keys on my mouse this way.
Still nothing lol 😂

[dark kernel]

There was a guy named Master something that was a challenger LoL player using laptop track pad.

MasterFiend

[verbal field]

why is our elite set the only non purple set?

[keen canopy]

yeah when i first saw the sets revealed i thought that the non-elite set was the elite set and vice versa

since the colors

[stoic spruce]

Kinda tired of the color schemes being the same

[old dome]

So WW gonna eat the nerf bat or what?

They are miles ahead in dps

[hidden moth]

Shimmer replaces blink has 2 charges and can be used while casting
Also have displace which insta teleports them back to the location the “blinked” from

Also alter time teleports them to where they pressed it at

[spring bough]

Elite set doesn’t even go with the purple weps 😭

Gotta get the regular conq set and that purple doesn’t match either lol

[verbal field]

its almost like they confused elite with conq

[harsh kiln]

so what's our gear choices gonna be this week? are we able to get 4set?

[alpine tinsel]

Is displace new? That’s must be the extra movement I’m seeing. I feel like nobody can stay on them rn

[vocal surge]

Bruh

[stoic spruce]

It is not new

[alpine tinsel]

I’m fried then idk

I was also in all melee + one mage lobbies every time so maybe that’s it

[stoic spruce]

You been in a mage/hunter lobby yet?

Idk what spec you play but outlaw ain't it into that comp

Such low uptime

[hoary oak]

What poisons should I be using for Sub pvp

[stiff cedar]

Crippling wound

[dapper chasm]

Ignore that clown

It's wound crippling

[stoic spruce]

For once I agree with Zanaken

[dapper chasm]

[old dome]

Been in WW lobby yet?

That stuff is nightmare fuel

[hoary oak]

thanks

[tender ember]

do we go 4pc assa?

[potent pivot]

no ones really tested yet

worth noting that the tooltip is wrong, its 10s duration not 4s

[tender ember]

hmmm

[last jasper]

does lens proc from stat\5%dr gem?

[tender ember]

no

[last jasper]

shit

[potent pivot]

Need at least 1 stat gem

And it will proc

[last jasper]

by stat i mean main stat+dr

u mean secondary stats?

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t proc from the blood gems

[last jasper]

sadge

[potent pivot]

Ye

Think it has to be an onyx/sapphire/whatever

[last jasper]

I'm gonna cosplay the guy who complained about wpvp gear vender and say 'how the fck I should know which one is khaz algar gem"

[potent pivot]

Yeh it’s a bit misleading

[last jasper]

30min q's. last two were full melee lobbies

~40sec average per round

at this point blitz or skirms are more fun

[noble venture]

Does assa play 4set?

[potent pivot]

scroll up like 10 messages

[last jasper]

I’m so glad I play undead. With the amount of trash micro cc. Sometimes I feel I’m a healer and not a dps.

No wonder ppl prefer watch classic and not this

[hoary ginkgo]

stalker still better than trickster on sub?

[stoic spruce]

Ego gets it

[potent pivot]

For the most part yeah

Trickster can break cc

It’s decent into melee cleaves because of nimble flurry but breaking cc can be a little annoying

[exotic dove]

For me as of right now if a spec has Deathstalker I play it

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just play what you like

[vocal surge]

I am

very very sneaky

While out of stealthed, I "stealthed" (by walking) up to a tauren warrior

and stealthed behind him as he hid behind the reeds

and he tried to go to Ruins

and I clapped him

Then while capturing Quarry, I 100 - 30'd a BM hunter before the other warrior there noticed the PvP combat

Mind ya, I picked up the damage power up that was under the hunter lol

and he didn't notice until last second when he camo

as im right on top of him

[halcyon timber]

A proper fking as the kul tirans say

[polar burrow]

https://imgur.com/a/1DUXPpH

[dark kernel]

This made me mad just watching lmao

[hoary ginkgo]

ngl I kinda like more sustain damage profile

[raw chasm]

just starting pvp, have pve experience in assa and sub, which would you recommend for solo shuffle and blitz

i have 4 set

[potent pivot]

either is fine

if your 4set is low pve ilvl its prolly not worth using

[raw chasm]

1 piece heroic 1 piece myth 2 piece champion

[potent pivot]

champ is kinda low

would just run 2 set

[hoary ginkgo]

stats loss not worth set bonus

2pieces are enough for sure

[potent pivot]

well we're not sure if we run 4sets yet

but champ track is def too low to be worth

[orchid delta]

tried for the first time ever sub rogue, was always playing sin

2.2 blitz atm and 1.9 SS

it is sooo fun to play

so much control

[calm heath]

Legit you should play what you enjoy more at this point. Actually enjoying the gameplay will take you a lot further in the long run than chasing FotM. Both are strong in rated solo play.

[hidden moth]

no its been in since dragonflight iirc

[languid ravine]

Assa

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Real talk chat

Whenever you're in a depressive episode, do you notice you play better?

When I'm super down and can't move, my skill is increased tenfold

[mystic pasture]

Whats the secret to making the switch?

[mystic pasture]

This sounds way heavier than pvp rogue chat. You alright?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I just wanna know if others experience it as well

[mystic pasture]

Which part? Being in such a depressive state that you cant move? Or playing well when in that state?

I would answer no to both of those though

[stoic spruce]

The second one

I have a lot of theories but eh

There's gotta be a way to harness it without putting myself through that

[mystic pasture]

I guess i cant answer the second because i dont experience that level of depression.

[mystic pasture]

100% there is

[stoic spruce]

Imagine bro messages me and asks if I want to push and I say "hold on lemme flush my favorite fish" or something

It's probably because my brain is less active idk

[hidden moth]

will dfa cancel casts on me?

[stoic spruce]

It will not

It's got iframes though so it might not hurt you if they land a cast

That might just be for cc tho

[grave basin]

Bois what's the verdict for sub / Assa 4pc

[stoic spruce]

They still cooking

I hope they cook soon because I want to reroll

[potent pivot]

either way its probably a wash to use it or not use it

[grave basin]

Haven't bought a single conquest piece on Rog so I'm good

Gonna get my weapon on my hunter then shelve it till I get 1800 on rog

[stoic spruce]

I did

Gonna be a haste crit assa for a while

[stiff cedar]

is assa running 4set?

[potent pivot]

read like 5-8 messages up

[stiff cedar]

my bad

[potent pivot]

np

we'll know whenever we get the next cata charge prolly

[stiff cedar]

makes sense, that and ppl getting TR access next week will help with a lot of gearing stuff that's still undecided

[karmic summit]

is this a good dagger for pvp when maxed out?

[hidden moth]

depends if u want more vers or masta

[potent pivot]

ye its fine

we got free pvp weapons this week so can run either

[outer sky]

48% to dead in 0.7s while standing in Earthern Wall

[hidden moth]

@potent pivot is thick as theives worth in 3v3?

doing assa aff and doing alot better 14-7 tonight

[potent pivot]

yeh

if you don't need anything in 3rd slot

hemo/bomb/feint talent

feint talent doesn't work on some stuff

[hidden moth]

when they have 0 stuns yea

but almost every comp has stuns in 3v3 rn

this enchant and embellish crank dude

ive been swaping hemotox for dismantle

bc i assume bomb is a locked in no matter what take

also its bullshit searing glare hits through bomb

[mystic pasture]

I heard it only procs off melee autos or something? Is it still bugged

[languid ravine]

One PvP-Socket is 25k gold on my server

guess I ll not minmax any of my side characters

who needs Lens anyways

[fallen scaffold]

dont forget the 5k honor

thats the part thats fuckin me

[languid ravine]

no I included the 5k honour in the 25k gold actually

:d

[fallen scaffold]

i can buy a token and buy bloodstones

but i cant buy fuckin honor

[potent pivot]

That shit will likely never be changed so strap in for the long haul

[fallen scaffold]

remind me again whats diff this season for the weps. i just thought it was an achievement of a certain rating or some shit. how are we gettin em this week?

[potent pivot]

Earn 2500 conquest total

[languid ravine]

reach 2.5k conquest earned

[fallen scaffold]

ohhh ya

worddd

[trail ice]

how come theres no free crit weapons for rogue whats going on

in other news I finally got my 2 set from this weeks conquest cap increase

next time I need to actually plan my shit out xd

[placid jasper]

What is the reason top outlaw rogues run OH dagger?

[indigo hill]

Faster poison application.

[trail ice]

is that facts or a guesstimate

[gusty hedge]

facts,that basically it Tho. so minimal, Comes down to Mog in the end if u wanna rock OH Dagger or double sword Ect./ if u run multi spec on that one char (law/sin/sub)

i run double swords etc on my fatebound rogues, and OH dagger on 3 Of my Trickster Rogues while other trick rocks double sword

[trail ice]

its probably about the stats the dagger has aswell

more outlaws are going crit route too

the swords have vers mastery? dagger crit vers or macr haste vesr

[gusty hedge]

nah for outlaw doesnt matter. really, swords are haste vers and dagger i think are verst mastery.
if you hit your haste threshold around 10-15% you can throw the rest on crit/vers

i got diff stat builds for all rogues including mastery builds full crit etc, all slap when bursting 100% only builds that feel off are the ones i have with no haste or haste that's under 8% in pvp combat

[trail ice]

should you pay attention to your stats pre pvp scaling

think om at 16% crit 14% haste pre scaling

then 19% crit and I canr remember the other amount for haste

[gusty hedge]

not really unless u tryna pve. u can hit a dummy with pvp gear to see where you're at. you might have around almost 18% haste in pvp combat minus the 10% from stealth. seems like your stats are good rn( guessing from own exp) if your vers is close to 30% or at 30 ur goood

[trail ice]

think its over in pvp

I just wanna get over 20% crit so I'm gonna switch out one more piece to crit

[last jasper]

Why it wouldn’t? Bomb blocks target spells

[gusty hedge]

can craft 1 or 2 rings vers/crit with a slight vers loss

[trail ice]

ye thats the plan

[dark kernel]

Our mastery proc is now a fixed % so faster weapon means more procs. It used to have internal scaling with weapon speed and its no longer the case. Also energy Regen from a talent.

[gusty hedge]

doesn't affect energy Regen just weapon poison application

[dark kernel]

The talent that gives you 10 energy per main gouch proc disagrees

[gusty hedge]

talking faster offhand doesnt give more with that talent thats been fixed

not about main gauche

[dark kernel]

100% sure that there is no normalization that makes the chance higher for slower off-hand

[last jasper]

Can u stack dr from fejnt and evasion?

[dark kernel]

They changed it in dragonflight

[stoic spruce]

It's normalized

[gusty hedge]

ask any outlaw my guy

[stoic spruce]

It's 1000% normalized

[dark kernel]

Wasn't that with the old mastery we had in Shadowlands, and then they changed it to a fixed person tile. I am relatively positive that changed with the outlaw changes in dragonflight

Because if not, we would absolutely prioritize too slow weapons with the killing spree damage currently. The poison application is not relevant

[stoic spruce]

Was normalized back then too

Has been for a while

Idr what patch but yeah

!oh

Aw

I should've bet money first

[dark kernel]

I wonder what the fatal flourish difference is for daggers vs swords. Do we have to use a script to see it or does tooltip update with equipment changing?

[last jasper]

Bdn tss

[sharp sierra]

deathstalker vs fatebound for pvp? 2v2 arena specifically? with healer vs double dps?

assassination i mean

[median burrow]

!macro

ooops

[lilac wedge]

anyone else feel like outlaw is laclusting in arenas right now

i guess were still good in blitz but arena feels terrible to me

[dark kernel]

It definitely doesn't have the burst or consistent dps of warriors, WW, or frostdk

Feels a bit better than ret minus the utility.

[lilac wedge]

ill stick to blitz then, not worth trying to play 2 different specs

especially when outlaw uses barely any mastery

[hidden moth]

What only procs off autos?

[hidden moth]

Ig by that logic fair but same time
Glare should be trinket able

@potent pivot thinking about some stuff with aff assa 3v3 since I’m not running into energy issues at all with the 3 of them being dotted, should I just drop tea for the extra cp or more points into supercharger

Or just pop tea for when I kb\ death mark.

[gusty hedge]

less popular opinion, go trickster outlaw rocking mastery with minimal gear change 😛 still lack lusting a bit rn prayin 4 piece will make up

[jaunty osprey]

Confirmed still bugged

HOJ gives 60% right away

Every other stun that I’ve tested requires you to be autod first

[jaunty osprey]

Hey! I’m running this comp atm in 3s at like 2400

Supercharger doesn’t feel too good with aff assa

[severe helm]

There isn't a difference

[jaunty osprey]

especially if you face melee + caster comps

[severe helm]

The only thing that is affected by weapon speed is poison procs

[jaunty osprey]

Supercharger with tea is fine, but not with forced induction for aff assa

You COULD run one Vanish and keep forced and tea, but that’s only for advanced players

you only lose one vanish for the entire game

and if your meld doesn’t bug, then you’re chilling

[potent pivot]

The only thing that isn’t normalized for outlaw is poison procs. Everything else is the same for sword/dagger offhand

[potent pivot]

Ye that’s prolly never going anywhere knowing them

[hidden moth]

I find myself wanting more vanishes

I’m not using forced induction either just 1 point super charger

I was using one of the pinned assa builds but that was when there was 2 listed now it’s just 1 in the pins dunno what it is not home rn

[hidden moth]

So u have to be hit with an auto attack for u to get the dr bonus?

Are you running kb with assa aff

[lilac wedge]

so if i have to swap knowing both specs, is sub the strongest right now?

[potent pivot]

typically, yes

and nah he doesn't run kb usually i'm pretty sure

[hidden moth]

So sbs then hmmm

Interesting

But ig with that comp ur not looking for a sure fire “go” it’s more of

Let’s do unhealable constant damage

[jaunty osprey]

Ya, I stopped running KB build

Just been playing more 3s instead of Shuff

Can def play more burst envenom KB focused talents for shuff

[stoic spruce]

I literally sent a screenshot and you still asked?

[stoic spruce]

If youre going mastery, it's best to stay fatebound. Mastery loses stocks with trickster.

[dark kernel]

If you reread what I said you will realize your screenshot answered nothing I asked about my guy

It said it normalizes but Notrickz said later it keeps the proc rate identical

So much of this shit isn't explicit in tooltips or even on wowhead, but the numbers will change with equipment which is why I even said anything but it's fine.

[stoic spruce]

I said what he said

[potent pivot]

thats what normalizes means

[stoic spruce]

And what mewo said

[dark kernel]

Man I am not giving a history lesson right now

[potent pivot]

if a proc is normalized for offhand that means it is the same for either offhand

[dark kernel]

Right, but that has not always been 100% historically accurate and Blizzard being small Indie company

[stoic spruce]

True

But this time, it somehow is.

[dark kernel]

I'm not trying to be a dick

[stoic spruce]

We lucked out ig

[dark kernel]

It's just reading between the lines

Because now I'm mad I have a dagger and I want 2 swords for mog

[stoic spruce]

I'd be mad too lol

[dark kernel]

Ehh it's fine I play sub and my mog kinda lit nonetheless

[indigo hill]

Good god, pvp is a shitshow now.

[last jasper]

true. Why its is beyond

[hidden moth]

Can u link me ur build?

[potent pivot]

its just the regular build man

same bleed build as s1

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYMjZmxMDAAAAAAY2MmtZAAAAAAollZmBzMYmZWGDmZMzMzMzYG222GzwgtZ2GbMmxs0YW2GmsNMsMA

[hidden moth]

I’ve been running that kb build since s1

[last jasper]

Does feint and evasion drs stack?

[trail ice]

depends on your height in game

[last jasper]

funny

[potent pivot]

yes but not additionally, multiplicative

[potent pivot]

the regular bleed build has been the most popular since like DF, KB/SC/etc are good options just depends on what you wanna do

[hidden moth]

didnt play df

as rogue at least but thats fair

wish kb did more

double its initial damage and maybe make the dot do 50% more than it is now thx

@potent pivot tf

this the build in the pins and it still takes kb

i got the build u linked though, thx for the help

[potent pivot]

It also very clearly says 11.0.5

In the pin

[hidden moth]

then why is it still pinned/ not updated

hmmmmmm

[potent pivot]

It’s also still perfectly playable

[hidden moth]

ik, im prob just gonna run that build for bgb still

[potent pivot]

You’ve been asking for something for a specific comp in 3s etc

[hidden moth]

shadow runner is hella nice for that

[potent pivot]

Like cmon

[hidden moth]

im memeing

mostly

i was confused though bc of pins though

[potent pivot]

Yeh I haven’t updated anything yet

[hidden moth]

ill do it

"no build for assa or outlaw bc nahj said "sub should be the only pvp spec for rogue bc outlaw is a warrior in a pirate hat and assa is wana be aff lock""

doom blade and sbs count as lethal dose stacks right?

also trricks i appreciate ur hard work thx man. how have keys been for u

[potent pivot]

ye

[hidden moth]

thats actually so big

[potent pivot]

i keep getting wild rng on my dh

compared to my rogue

[hidden moth]

wym

[potent pivot]

like with loot n shit

[hidden moth]

ah

KEYS SEASON 2 FOR DH LOOT YAY OR NAH
DROPED FOR ME 11/27 ITEMS GIFTED TO ME 3/27
keys failed bc of someone else being redacted 2
adding mythic 0 loot here, 0/3 bosses

this is my dh loot luck this season

653 rn with 619 boots

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

i have this piunned in our gc and update it after each key

[dark kernel]

Ever since I made my second WoW account in Cata I have been cursed with loot.

Tbqh I always was.

I remember hitting 70 in TBC and the entire first month after hitting level cap I didn't see any dungeon loot. Got fed up and bought blink strike from the AH over flying mount.

[hidden moth]

assume the sub build is also outdated

[potent pivot]

I don’t think any of them are “outdated”

Ain’t shit really changed since s1

Check murlok

[hidden moth]

18 of the top 50 people are running gloomblade XD

[dark kernel]

My guy it's moving one talent

[potent pivot]

Damn it’s almost like build barely matters

Who coulda thunk it

[dark kernel]

Nahj and Kalvish literally said yesterday "running gloomblade makes killing a totem in one attack easier" as the rational for doing it

[potent pivot]

Rogue has good build diversity rn

[hidden moth]

build diversity is

something that im not used to

most of the time i run into cookie cutter stuff where all but 1 point is spent and thast 1 point is for 1 of 2 almost useless choices

[potent pivot]

People tend to overplay the difference in builds

[dark kernel]

Shit changes day to day

As of yesterday a few people don't run subterfuge anymore

And are back to one vanish

Some people are doing trickster sub again

[stoic spruce]

Should've been outlaw

sigh

If I hadn't have talked so much smack about sub I'd reroll because I like shadowblades but now I can't because I'd be a hypocrite

[hidden moth]

is this just bad lobby for assa?

[potent pivot]

rdru/disc sub/ww/ret?

shouldn't be that bad

[hidden moth]

yeah

final score

rdruid was talking shit to me but i realized he had decent round 1 into him being dog shit the next 5 rounds

[trail ice]

how come enmy rogue is higher

[hidden moth]

he won more rounds than me

[trail ice]

gg.

[hidden moth]

he is sub so him with ww monk burst af was hard to deal with so was the ret pally pressing 1 button and removing all my bleeds

[mystic pasture]

No one cares if you change your mind....

[jolly sierra]

i do

[ionic orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-at-work-bored-15years-later-gif-13708261

When you only like pvp but have to do pve to get better gear

[potent pivot]

you don't have to pve for pvp gear. at all.

[trail ice]

really

close game

[mystic pasture]

So close to perfection! Could have gotten the "Gorgeous" title

Well the hardest part of that anyway

[trail ice]

its really hard to determine which person my teammate is hitting in arenas

Xd

[ionic orbit]

Was doing some to get the stupid crests for the gear upgrades

[static blaze]

hey, how much vers is everyone aiming for this season? trying to make some gladiator vs crafted decisions

[potent pivot]

you don't have to upgrade your gear for pvp at all though

[potent pivot]

typically anywhere from 20-30% is fine

[static blaze]

damn, Im over

[potent pivot]

like in season 1 we mostly stayed around 20-25%

because the secondary stats on gear inflates each season

this season its just going to depend on how far into mastery we get

but likely ~25%vers ish

[static blaze]

are the DR on mastery something to care about for assassination?

[potent pivot]

to a degree yes

[static blaze]

or can I just hyper-stack it lol

ah, rough

[potent pivot]

mostly hyper stack

but

what decisions are you trying to make rn exactly

we don't really have enough conquest yet to be trying to game it much

[static blaze]

fair, Im at like 31% vers rn so I think Im gonna go for some crafted gear and give up a little vers for more mast

[potent pivot]

your honor gear/crafted honor gear barely matters

sec

[static blaze]

crafted conquest gear

[potent pivot]

the only crafted conq gear you should really have right now

is neck/rings from the free 9 herladries

[static blaze]

Ive got 1 ring, and both daggers, about to craft the neck

used the free heraldries on daggers

[potent pivot]

why

thats a huge waste

[static blaze]

saving my conq weapon tokens for outlaw later

[potent pivot]

i see

well

you should know

offhand weapon is very useless

its the last slot you upgrade

[static blaze]

oh well, lmao

[potent pivot]

just trying to give you the info

[static blaze]

wait, you mean for outlaw, not assassination, right?

[potent pivot]

so you don't do it again next season lol

no, for every spec

[static blaze]

doesnt assassination care about OH cause of mutilate?

[potent pivot]

nah

[trail ice]

anyone here busy? and can watch a vod of mine

[potent pivot]

we only get real damage scaling off mainhand weapon

[trail ice]

I'm pretty confused when it comes to arena's would like pointers!

[potent pivot]

mutilate is the lowest damaging spell assa has

and we use fan of knives way more than mut

[static blaze]

Ive gotta bookmark the fuck out of this

I do ALOT of my combo point gen with mutilate

[potent pivot]

its a very common misconception

about the offhand i mean

its basically a stat stick

but yeah

if you can hit 2 or more targets, fan of knives always

sometimes even 1 target

[static blaze]

if you had to break down your combo point gen in terms of what % of combo points is mutilate vs fan of knives, what would you say?

[potent pivot]

if you/they are kiting

[static blaze]

just like, rough guess

[potent pivot]

uhh

like

80-90% of combo point gen is fok basically

these days

[static blaze]

jesus, ok

[potent pivot]

try not to break CC with it

is the main thing

[static blaze]

Ive just been using it when I have Clear the Witnesses procs

[potent pivot]

thats fine on 1 target yeah

fan is just more energy efficient and even on 1t it isn't that much less damage than mutilate

the problem is

fok combo point gen sucks on 1 target

[static blaze]

fuck dude, this is such a deeply ingrained habit, idk how Im gonna break it

Ive been spamming mutilate for literal years

[potent pivot]

so on pure 1 target you'd still mutilate mostly, without CtW proc

[static blaze]

Im never doing pure 1 target

[potent pivot]

yeh

[static blaze]

I play shuffle and RBGs lol

[potent pivot]

try to copy ivan's gear

https://murlok.io/character/us/zuljin/ivanrah/pvp#gear

as much as you can ig

conq spending has been for tier set mostly up to this point in the season

[static blaze]

is there a reason to prefer the glad daggers purely stat-wise?

or is it just a question of access?

[potent pivot]

wdym

the weapon tokens are free so like

you gear way quicker if you waited for them

[static blaze]

fair

[potent pivot]

they even added mast dagger to the vendor finally so like

there's no downside

[gusty hedge]

post, and someone will get ya

[trail ice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14pabzdvvV0

just a couple rounds

im clueless if u couldn't tell

and I'm not sur ehow to fix the buffs all stacking

i don't get it

the 2nd round i was completely confused and didn't know who the mage was hitting

[potent pivot]

looks like you have WAs over your personal resource thing

[gusty hedge]

a clip over YouTube, as its considered self promo. (did this myself before)

Ui and buffs look good placement/ visually it looks good (can see everything)
in middle of driving atm sorry for delay, you can get top target to see who your team is hitting, also enable target of target in settings

[trail ice]

I have 0 WA's

[potent pivot]

TellMeWhen?

idk

def some addon fucking it up

[trail ice]

Yeah Ik

Idk what is doing it

I don't even know what wa's are even for

I just downloaded it cause someone told me to

[potent pivot]

weakauras do a bunch of different stuff

but the most common thing is icons to track buffs or cooldowns etc

[trail ice]

ok I think I fixed it

[potent pivot]

but is the resource bar still showing buffs how its supposed to?

or is just just completely off

[trail ice]

Its on

Its better blizz nameplates

Wait nvm

[potent pivot]

personally i would just turn the whole thing off

and use a proper roll the bones tracker

[trail ice]

How do I get roll the bones tracker

[potent pivot]

sec

[potent pivot]

import that string into your WeakAuras addon

[trail ice]

doesn't come up for me

[potent pivot]

wdym

[trail ice]

I don't see the buffs showing

[potent pivot]

did you copy/paste all of the text

[trail ice]

yessir

[potent pivot]

into the import

[potent pivot]

there's nothing in the middle of your screen?

[trail ice]

nope

[potent pivot]

it should be working fine

[trail ice]

"aura is off screen"

So smart game

[potent pivot]

oh the anchoring is messed up maybe

[trail ice]

yeah i got it now ty

[potent pivot]

make sure on the Display tab that the position is 0-0

[stoic spruce]

I hope the hero trees aren't evergreen evergreen

Just evergreen until the last titan

[grave basin]

?? You don't like your entirely passive coin flips

[stoic spruce]

My bunghole is sore from pooping all the coins

[hidden moth]

@jaunty osprey what healer do u run in the aff assa comp rn we have a disc priest

how am i toping dam while mage is spam poly my dots off

[potent pivot]

Because assa rogue

[stoic spruce]

"Why is the class that's always good doing so good?"

[hidden moth]

im being sarcastic

like wtf is this mage doing

[stoic spruce]

Me too

That's a warlock

Mage went to go walk the dog ig lol

[hidden moth]

makes me cry

[hidden moth]

there we go

yarg

[vocal surge]

Elite set go brrr

[hybrid palm]

can barely tickle a warrior as sub

normal or i fail ?

[last jasper]

Not normal

[static blaze]

quick question, if sub rogues are meant to be better at single target burst and assassination better at cleave/short range aoe, why are sub rogues outperforming assassination in blitz according to murlok.io?

[orchid delta]

yooo

[orchid delta]

sub rogues are better in defence on FC maps, better as defence on base maps, better in getting base on base maps

if needed, can also solo kill enemy FC in 1 stun chain while keeping healer/dps in cc

overall just gives more control

[undone atlas]

Fellas, how would a homie whos never pvpd before begin that side of the game as rogue

[static blaze]

is it some sub specific utility or is single target burst just better for defence?

[orchid delta]

shadow dance gives you same abilities as in stealth

so let's say 4 ppl in on ur FC

u are alone with a FC

u can buy extra 10-15 sec by simply cheapshotting them

multiple times

[static blaze]

oh sweet

makes sense

[orchid delta]

but for me sub is harder than sin

[hidden moth]

Bc sub can burst flag carry’s solo and dance gives them more cc opportunities for capping points than assa

[static blaze]

yeah, I tried it out and find it more complicated than sin

could just be that Im used to sin tho

[orchid delta]

u have way more clicking

and faster clicking

than as sin

[hidden moth]

Clicking?

Ur clicking?

[orchid delta]

"using abilities"

[hidden moth]

So

“Higher apm”*

[orchid delta]

whatever it even means, u get a point

[static blaze]

yeah, having to keep track of symbols, dance, and shadow blades feels like a lot

[orchid delta]

yes

[static blaze]

especially when they have different durations, recharge and CDs

[hidden moth]

Way I see it is tea is just symbols blades is death mark

Or shiv is symbols which is more accurate than tea

[orchid delta]

maybe my advice won't be the best but whenever I wanted to try new dps class

I use for a while Hekili addon

play for a bit on dummies, random bg's arenas

to get used to rotation

[static blaze]

hekili has pvp configurations?

that would be a godsend, I thought it was just for pve

[hidden moth]

I doubt it has PvP

[orchid delta]

I mean it is not ideal but is ok

[hidden moth]

Prob just a “here is pve rotation now pvp it up”

[orchid delta]

yes

but it gives u info how to do dmg as sub and handle cd's

overal

l

[static blaze]

probably better than nothing for a beginner

[orchid delta]

I mean, I've never play sub

ever in my life

before this season

and im 2.4 in blitz

and I learned with hekili

rotation

so it can't be that bad

[static blaze]

when I was running some training dummy rotations on sub it was really scratching that "big number" itch

so I wanna give it a real try

[orchid delta]

just in time u will learn that sometimes more dmg doesn't not mean better

as sub

so I would go like this hekili -> play with it, learn rotation etc. -> try new things, situational ones

-> perfect it

and here we go

[grizzled basin]

How is fatebound doing for assa at the moment ? is it going to be better with 4 set bonus ?

[hidden moth]

Dunno yet about 4 at

Set

[static blaze]

honestly, Im just running 2 set cause it seems like everyone else is

[hidden moth]

Won’t know for a week or so

We run 2p dunno bout 4

[static blaze]

my instinct is that 4 set would be such a minor improvement that it wouldnt be worth giving up the vers or mastery

[hidden moth]

Also no idea on fate bound I’m used to death stalker and

Deathstalker is the assa hero talents flavor wise so

[static blaze]

having played outlaw for the entirety of last season, you couldn't pay me to play anymore RNG based specs

[hidden moth]

Yeah deathstalker almost 0 rng

[static blaze]

at least outlaw minimized the *randomness with the combo point gen and haste allowing you to spam insane amounts of finishers to get coin flips

[grizzled basin]

OK thanks for the inputs *!

[spring bough]

Bout to dust off the second account. See if I can get a fresh rogue past my vaanncleef by April 2 😆

[dark kernel]

What did you end up at.

[spring bough]

I tanked my solo to like 2k but my blitz is around 2.2k

[lilac wedge]

anyone playing outlaw in pvp right now?

[vocal surge]

Need help with something?

[lilac wedge]

just a sad boy seeing rogues do lots of damage

ive already invested in outlaw haste/vers wondering if its worth to swap

to sub

[languid ravine]

nope

[vocal surge]

Well I can help ye with your rotation

[gleaming sentinel]

If you wanna do big shuffle dam, go assa

[spring bough]

Outlaw > sin dmg

[languid ravine]

my first blitz of the season: wait 25min for a 2400 mmr game, hunter is afk "defending" our base aaaaand its gone

wait WE TURN IT wow

ah nevermind antitapping is very hard against two people

oh wow the other rogue in my team did 15 mil damage thats like 3 player health bars

[spring bough]

The fact we can’t cloak cap anymore makes me sad in blitz

Smoke bomb cap doesn’t work as well

[lilac wedge]

i didnt know they got rid of smoke as well

[spring bough]

Cloak cap can’t do. Smoke cap is still a thing

[lilac wedge]

i guess we still have bugged grappling hook

[spring bough]

It’s just easier for an enemy to disrupt you in a smoke cap than it was a cloak cap

[vocal surge]

Yee

[lilac wedge]

i was 2600 blitz outlaw last season

was lots of fun

now i just RTB in the corner trying to win big

[languid ravine]

if you play assa

and spam garrote

thats 3k rating right there

3.1 if you press feint

[vocal surge]

[lilac wedge]

with 25% less buttons to spam

[vocal surge]

I assume you played Fatebound Outlaw?

[lilac wedge]

yea

[vocal surge]

into this season as well?

[lilac wedge]

yup, trickster i only run in 2s and m+

[vocal surge]

Aye

Trickster got more ST than Fatebound

in PvP

[vocal surge]

Btw, what's your rating in 2s if you dont mind me asking?

[lilac wedge]

oh its terrible i think its like 1600 right now. i havnt played much because it hasnt felt great

im just 2k blitz rn also

[languid ravine]

second blitz of the season, secure 5 bases in Arathi basin

result: DRAW

lmao

it never gets old

[dark kernel]

With conquest weps outlaw doesn't feel as bad.

Only struggle with WW

[lilac wedge]

just got them last night havnt tried them yet

[dark kernel]

I'm starting to pull up on damage. I should have 4 set next week so we'll see.

4 set strength could be real volatile for us.

[lilac wedge]

isnt outlaw 4 set substantially less dps then ass and sub considering its all rng?

or does it even out when you hit the nuts

[dark kernel]

So it's not quantifiable easily. Because it gives more dice it technically gives more CDR

So we get more AR more Vanish, more evasion

But it's just RNG dependent

[vocal surge]

F

[lilac wedge]

i feel i have no go on damage unless i roll the nuts with AR up

just consistent to a point i guess

might be just me

[vocal surge]

im 2064 in 2s

[lilac wedge]

pog

[vocal surge]

But ye, climbing up past 1600s is a CC game

and +1900 is a DPS + CC race

Once you cross into the 1900s

You're fighting multi-glads and R1s

[dark kernel]

It's kind of RNG in 2s and matchup dependent.

1900 game last night I got the new map against a WW/rsham and wanted to gouge my eyes out

ROP/stormed off the top over and over.

If you go against some shit like WW/Disc you just lose in dampening 9/10

[vocal surge]

WW in general is a loss

guaranteed on a platter

[lilac wedge]

ive had some luck with WW, but they pump

[vocal surge]

I guess for 1600 theres a chance, just not in 1900+ bracket

[lilac wedge]

my mmr is like 1800-1900

[spring bough]

15% chance or so for 5 roll in pvp gonna be so wicked

So much CDR we won’t know what to do

[waxen meteor]

man, those 2500 honor blood ston is selling at 7k gold now almost

was 2600 goold

[lilac wedge]

inflation

[waxen meteor]

i am selling those over adding 1 more gem on my chars now lol

[languid ravine]

same here and its "only" 5k gold on my server

[waxen meteor]

glad i had like 20 in stock from last season lol

[alpine tinsel]

ok see you guys next season ❤️

[lilac wedge]

wherre u going

u need 2400

[alpine tinsel]

idk never played past 1.8 or so for the mog

[lilac wedge]

1950 for weapon illusion

2100 for elite weapons mog

2400 for effects on gear for every other character

[alpine tinsel]

honestly might come back for those if we dont get nerfed lol

[dark kernel]

Do we know what the 2400 enhancements are this season?

[lilac wedge]

i think it just makes it glow a little more

[wanton breach]

huh is that lower now? it used to be 2400 iirc

[dark kernel]

It was indeed lowered in TWW

[vocal surge]

^

[dark kernel]

Depends how good you are. 2s can be less stressful, but if you already have high MMR in shuffle you only need to play like 5 rounds for 1800

Time wise, shuffle is faster if you're a better player.

[jaunty osprey]

Hpala

[hybrid palm]

Does vers go beyond 30% or capped there?

[potent pivot]

no stats are capped

[hidden moth]

Thee are stat drs though

Like 100 vers is 1% but after u have 20000 vers it’s a 110 vers for 1% etc

[potent pivot]

ye but DRs rarely matter

[hidden moth]

True stay values addon will display them but tbh going into the first soft cap won’t affect much

[hidden moth]

I agree

[potent pivot]

most people see DRs and think they should never push past them etc, but in reality they just don't matter

[hidden moth]

Yeah it’s not near as bad as souls games stat drs

[potent pivot]

like usually in season 4s we have so much mastery we pass every DR breakpoint and sit at 'true cap'

which is like 126%

[hidden moth]

God damn

Does stuff like tea let you go past

[potent pivot]

idr

percent based stat abilities don't DR, but idr if they work passed cap

i want to say they do not

[hidden moth]

My thought is if they don’t then u would run like

126 is cap but yea gives 8.6%???

So u try to hit 8.6 below cap so u are at cap with tea and get one other stats

[languid ravine]

how do you even play Sub when enemies have disarm?
pls explain it like I m a 2.5 rated assa so no complicated language

[hidden moth]

Also I will say the one thing I’m not liking about the sbs build is -20% crit makes fok combo point gen feel bad in 2 target cleave situations

[hidden moth]

Cc chain them so they can’t press it during your go

[languid ravine]

I tried they all had stun DR

kek

[hidden moth]

Aeghis has a vid of him playing 2v2 with nahj and he goes in detail about cross cc etc so the healer or dps cant do anything during ur burst

Gouge unironically

Has a good damage break point before it breaks and is a pseudo stun

[potent pivot]

you can try to eat some cc before going into your blades window but it only works well in lower/mid rated games

higher rated games they'll usually wait it out til you press

[hidden moth]

Oh ring of frost!!!! Heals u got dispell avail ima jump into it to get myself onto sheep dr

[hidden moth]

I gotcha, that’s prob a lot better than running disc priest bc hpal can hoj heal while u full kidney kill target in a bomb

[jaunty osprey]

Nah

[dark kernel]

You pre gouge kill target before step kidney the healer, back to kill target for blades/dance CS I to damage

[jaunty osprey]

Hoj kill target always - or most of the time

you should send kidney on healers a lot

Healer dispels UA + HoJ, it’s better for you guys or you can swap to the healer while low from dispelling after the silence, in a stun