pvp

[cobalt yew]

PIKABOO JUST SAID ROGUE PRIEST IS BAD PLAYING SUB

BS?

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

[hollow carbon]

Bad in which scale?

Bad for getting r1 or bad for getting elite set?

[fathom moss]

its just got trink/blades/thistle/symbols. If they disarm After your first strike you've committed nothing but 30 sec cds.

[spring bough]

I love trickster outlaw

[dark kernel]

You do that on purpose so if they try to stop your go you haven't washed any CDs

[dark kernel]

It's not feeling good for me dude.

I've been working my ass off on it and been consistently pumping near 600K in arenas and keeping CC out off DR man and feral, fury, ww, arms, even ret now is pumping more.

[fathom moss]

the sword chad dream will live on one of these days

[dark kernel]

I'm sure people can make it work and I'm not the greatest, but dog even yesterday I had a game of 3s I just tested purely dps not even CCing and I'm topping out at 700k

Just not fun when WW and fury and even DH sneeze out that damage

[fathom moss]

I don't have the brain power to branch out to sword chad especially if its not just chunking everyone

[spring bough]

Blitz elite push later just need to rip like 7 wins in a row lol

[fathom moss]

With full consume buffs ripping off 23 mill in 7 or seconds

[spring bough]

Wicked

[cobalt yew]

He probably meant for R1, for a newbie like me all three specs are viable, I forgot I was bad at the game lmao

But, I do believe it might be easier playing assa rather then sub

Then or than?

[prisma hamlet]

hey question: what is the respawn time rate for the War Chests that drop in warmode zones? and if you are in a party, does everyone get loot? or only one person?

[hollow carbon]

Yeah makes sense but also loses momentum and pressure. I could see using cheap shot right at the start giving you still enough time to do dmg with a DR cheap shot afterwards. Don’t know if the timings fit without trying it out

[dark kernel]

You always start with Strike>Rupture as deathstalker so you give them a chance to DR you and set up your darkest night timing

You can definitely just start with CS

You just lose damage

And 9999% of the time the moment any player sees blades and is stunned it's just trinket.

[potent pivot]

its random

no real way to game it

[fathom moss]

Theres an addon & 40 man raid groups who lock down 4 zones and cap honor/conquest/tokens in an hr on reset day

Nacho party puts em on

[potent pivot]

you don't need an addon

there's WAs that alert spawns

but the spawn times are random

[hollow carbon]

I see, not too familiar with Sub so just theory from my side. Gonna try that out

[fathom moss]

The addon gives the times for each zone its actually pretty wild

Once you capture a timer pops up for it

[potent pivot]

maybe it gives the times a crate was last seen

[fathom moss]

Nah its actually the exact time it appears in the zone. I have 0 idea how it works other than you have to capture it first

[potent pivot]

pretty positive it isn't possible to predict the spawns

they aren't on set timers

[fathom moss]

I'd check the addon out i do it every week

[spring bough]

So HO trickster aoe build for outlaw @stoic spruce

[stoic spruce]

what about

[spring bough]

Bout to rip some HO later. Drop cto for precise cuts and be a solo shuffle aoe champ

[dark kernel]

Seems a weird selection.

It's not worth to get, but deft maneuvers would be baller for melee shuffles

[stoic spruce]

PC is more aoe

youre already getting hella buffs

with loaded dice

[potent pivot]

ye you can use an addon to give shout outs and watch everyone's shards etc

also some link with tomtom so whenever you call a crate it leads ppl to it etc

all i'm saying is that i don't think its possible to 100% predict spawn times, but idk. never seen any of them do that since spawns can vary

[fathom moss]

It does eventually get thrown off, after rotating the same 4 zones a few times it needs to be reset. The addon itself is more of a group manager for that specific task. Really cool though to gear alts/cap quick

[river pollen]

Those crate drops are such a lit addition to wpvp

[fathom moss]

Yeah man they're a blast

[dark kernel]

Yeah but other than melee cleaves fights seems kinda mid.

I dunno my DPS has kinda stagnated as outlaw and it could be my blade flurry up time

[stoic spruce]

well yeah thats also the only time you go trickster

[dark kernel]

I've been running it into every matchup tbh

But I'm still just testing.

You swap to fatebound for caster cleaves for the hook I assume.

[hidden moth]

How to contact

[potent pivot]

LFG

[fathom moss]

Can join the community too to see when they're about to put one on. They fill up quick so its worth

[potent pivot]

is there no WM world quests up rn

or am i bugged

[spring bough]

Yesterday there was only 1 WM quest I saw

Was in hallowfall I think. Didn’t see any others. My alts need a bloody token WM world quest

[potent pivot]

i think i remember seeing 1 at times in s1 but idr ever not having any

[spring bough]

Gotta get this night elf rogue ready to pew pew

[potent pivot]

like zero is weird isn't it

[gleaming pawn]

Could be both are in spiderland

You have to have the weekly “do stuff in the zone” quest to see the WM quests in AK

[potent pivot]

true but i already made a pact

ye not seeing any in AK either

[gleaming pawn]

Huh that’s just really weird then

[potent pivot]

yeh

[potent pivot]

got em to show up

i guess i was just bugged

there's 2 in ringing deeps

i guess my WM toggle just wasn't actually working even though i was in dorn

maybe because of the supplycrate addon i was looking at, it did have some lua errors going off etc

[hybrid palm]

Does blackjack apply to gouged targets

[potent pivot]

no

blind and sap, as it states

[hybrid palm]

Sad

[dark kernel]

That would be so busted lmao

[hybrid palm]

Is the distract pvp talent of any use, I try using it n did nothing:D

[potent pivot]

you have to press it twice

within the 8sec iirc

[gleaming sentinel]

Sub kinda seems to be doing more consistent dmg than outlaw now

[dark kernel]

LoL, lmao even, roflmao occasionally

It's poetic I played sub all last season and swapped outlaw to be more consistent and practice.

[potent pivot]

i think a good outlaw does more

like every time

[safe pelican]

Too much outlaw slander , pirate team lookin’ weak

[potent pivot]

sandbagging and glazing not allowed here ❌

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/this-has-been-a-sponsored-message-jared-dines-sponsored-ad-paid-segment-gif-19971032

[spring bough]

Outlaw is the PREMIER rogue spec

Idek what the other two are called

[dark kernel]

Got a wear a gimp suit when you play sub rogue

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-des-caraïbes2-pirates-of-the-caribbean2-pirates-menace-threat-gif-19754159

[spring bough]

Damn can we get a captain Jack sparrow outlaw mog

[dark kernel]

I think we did.

[grave basin]

@potent pivot i spent 100 bucks to add 32bg ram to my gig and now my pc is buttery smooth

no more crashes

went from like 85% memory utilisation to barely 20%

[gleaming sentinel]

I ain’t going anywhere. Sword mogs too cool

[potent pivot]

Noice

[grave basin]

imagine i had a 3080 and had to play with the lowest setting

if not my pc would black screen and force restart

[potent pivot]

I need to go get the ram my buddy has extra of

[spring bough]

Tomorrow. Sword mog. Best sword I’ve seen in a minute and it BACK SHEATHES!!!

[potent pivot]

Going from 16gb to 64gb is gonna be huge

[grave basin]

i went from 16 to 48

and im blazing

[gleaming sentinel]

Hell yea. I’ve been pve spamming, I gotta get on that

[spring bough]

Damn yall lacking gotta get on that 128gb 😆

[grave basin]

we running 5 VMs here?

[potent pivot]

Whenever I finally get around to building a new pc it’s gonna be topped out

[spring bough]

I topped my shit out just for fun

Mostly max everything lol

[potent pivot]

But I’ve got other shit to do first like swapping my isp

[spring bough]

Last thing I haven’t swapped is to a new power supply unit. Everything else was easy. That one worries me lol

[grave basin]

you got a 50x series gpu?

say it saint so

[spring bough]

4070 ti super

[grave basin]

wow so this is what WoW looks like with ultra settings

and 16x antro

i mean the texture filtering to 16x anisotropic

that made a massive difference

gpu temp at 60degrees with 60% fan speed is alright? any1 knows. my gpu usage seems to peak at 72%

[potent pivot]

I would recommend looking it up

There’s a lot of different ways you can set it up

[grave basin]

seems like people like to go really aggressive with the fan speed curve on msi afterburner

[jolly sierra]

you guys has flashy setup? i am still playing with an integrated graphic card

[hollow carbon]

Loud PC is annoying me too much, I rather have less performance than loud fans spinning

[grave basin]

true

60% is kinda alright

i can hear the spin but it's not like rocket take off

[potent pivot]

if you use a headset you'll never really notice em anyway

i mostly use speakers if i'm not in vc, and still rarely notice my fans

[spring bough]

I got an AIO cooler. GPU / CPU temp never goes above 65 or so. Usually in the 50s. Peaks around 65 in raid with max graphics

[jolly sierra]

i use my headset and it disables every noise

even my loud cat when is purring

[spring bough]

NGL the fans are decently loud when it’s running but I just tune it out

[jolly sierra]

here the cat

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

@spring bough YARR NATEY

[spring bough]

Is that pirate talk

[spring bough]

That’s cool. Mine threw up on my bed this morning…..

[stoic spruce]

fake pirate

ive been drinking and bro cant even humnor me

im gonna blow up

https://tenor.com/view/minori-exploding-minori-exploding-explosion-pjsk-minori-explosion-gif-12209025723275562322

[jolly sierra]

my one always gets into the room when she needs

(she is called Misha BTW, pretty a warcraft name)

[spring bough]

Yarrrr?

[stoic spruce]

it IS pirate talk

[spring bough]

PvP or pve type of day

[stoic spruce]

hmmmmmmmmm

perhaps

lemme think

how does wpvp sound

get some toekns

[spring bough]

Maxed

[stoic spruce]

Yeah idk

Pve then

[vocal surge]

I feel bad for this Arcane mage

they're dueling me but they feel new to the class

[halcyon timber]

Showed him the ol boot to face

Only way to learn is by doing

[vocal surge]

1 sided fight

Out of the 6 duels

5 of em I got 5 buff lol

[halcyon timber]

Loaded mf dice on that soul

Outlaw rising

[vocal surge]

Sleight of Hand go brrr

Will say Outlaw still weaker than Windwalker Monk by a mile

[halcyon timber]

I was speaking more of a cool moment like my hero academia moment where the odds are stacked and outlaw does some cool sheet

Monks are def strong

[vocal surge]

Overpowered

[halcyon timber]

Haven’t gotten any time to play since it has been non stop exams

Maybe later tonight dunno yet

[vocal surge]

After getting their combo off, they can deal 50% - 80% of your hp in like 2 - 3 ability casts

Constantly

[halcyon timber]

Yeah def probably aint getting changed tbh

[vocal surge]

It's been like this since the start of the season

[halcyon timber]

Slicing winds is a bit nuts

[vocal surge]

Since they added a lot of new monk abilities

It is overpowered lol

[halcyon timber]

And jade lightning is rough when you cannot interrupt it heh

[vocal surge]

Jade Lightning is not as bad to get hit by

Compared to Slicing Winds

Which you cant really dodge because of how fast it moves

[halcyon timber]

Yeah can cloak both tbh since it is magic energy lore wise / mechanic wise

Unless that gets changed like how dh stuff did

[vocal surge]

You cant cloak it all thou

[halcyon timber]

Yeah

[vocal surge]

it has a short cooldown

14s CD

[halcyon timber]

Dunno how it gets amped up. Chi spenders or something?

[vocal surge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[halcyon timber]

XD

If so then it is fine

[vocal surge]

But 1 thing is for sure, their Mastery is giving them a damage boost higher than anything I've seen

I dont think Slicing Wind is fine lol, cant even run from the monk

They charge that up w. roll or Flying Dragon Kick from across the arena and now they're next to you

[halcyon timber]

Dunno what it does . Had a ww friend who said they only used versatility for a long time as mastery didn’t attribute to much ( old expansions)

[vocal surge]

rn average Mastery for monk is 64%

[halcyon timber]

Jade lightning i meant is fine

Winds /shrug

[vocal surge]

for 2s #1 Monk, they have 71% mastery which equates to 71% increased damage for all of their abilities

[halcyon timber]

Only thing ive seen for winds is to root it by a sick ass mage or shaman

Feint is all we can do or grapple / step it . Really dang fast , def hard

[vocal surge]

Feint doesn't apply the AOE damage reduction portion to the ability

nor to most of monk's aoe abilities

[halcyon timber]

The damage is full regardless of how long they hold it right? It is only modded by distance?

[vocal surge]

The charge up for Slicing wind only increases how far they'll travel

They'll hit equally as hard regardless of how long its been charged

[halcyon timber]

Yeah figured from reading up on it

Nice to confirm though

I wonder if low cd blind would be worth it since prob cannot gouge it like we used to do the hunt

[vocal surge]

low CD blink is really weak rn

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just as a stop to winds

To break their timing and battle rhythm

[vocal surge]

With all the CDR for Blind on Outlaw

AOE Blind is 1.5s long

for 41s CD

[halcyon timber]

Prefer gouge all day

I wonder if there is a possibility to gouge it to cancel it mid air

Even though aoe blah blah

[vocal surge]

prob but you'll get hit if you gouge

[halcyon timber]

Yeh

Gouging hunt mid flight used to work to cancel it but was finnicky

[vocal surge]

Ye

[halcyon timber]

Good time to blind though to be safe if needed

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[halcyon timber]

Winds require a wep?

[vocal surge]

Not sure

[halcyon timber]

Or is ir uncle iroh chi

[vocal surge]

I imagine they dont need weapons

[halcyon timber]

Gonna wowhead it to confirm

[vocal surge]

like a majority of monk abilities

[halcyon timber]

No wep on tooltip hooks

So yeah just mobility hit. Feint or die heh

[stiff cedar]

Slicing winds replaces flying serpent kick so no they don't fsk and be instantly next to you. Slicing winds is also not at all a 14sec cd, idk where you got that from, it's 30.

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just chi builders i think / fist of fury

[vocal surge]

Wowhead says 14

[halcyon timber]

Used to be karma too that couldn’t be used while disarmed

[vocal surge]

Probably hasn't updated their database

[halcyon timber]

Was a while ago

[potent pivot]

prolly from plunderstorm lol

[halcyon timber]

Heh

Def cool though. Good for them man

[vocal surge]

Lmao

Imma just level each class until I can see their talent trees because Murlok.io isn't giving me a clear picture of what each talent does

I had to check on my low level alt monk to see what you mean by replaces FSK

[potent pivot]

murlok is pretty shit

[stiff cedar]

Disarm stops strike of the windlord and fists of fury, sotw they press before slicing or conduit bc it makes you take 10% increased nature dmg, so disarming can delay the go. It def does way less than vs most other melee though

[halcyon timber]

Yeah just like warr on self war banner vs tremor shout (choice)

[stiff cedar]

Wowhead talent calculator

No reason to do all that just wowhead talent calculator

[vocal surge]

I cant be asked to use WoWhead, site's so bloated with ads

[stiff cedar]

Er, yeah level up every class then ig. I've never had an issue with it, there are legit 0 on mobile that you can't click the x to hide and on pc there's plenty of space to see

[vocal surge]

Aye

I only use Wowhead for 2 things, Dressing Room and News

and that's pretty much it

outside of quick ability searches

[languid ravine]

Highmountain racial for Warrior yay or nay?

[potent pivot]

gnome

[languid ravine]

but my epic transmogs

[severe helm]

gnome is just too op for war

[spring bough]

warriors prob cant even reach gnomes

[pastel burrow]

Gnome warriors look bis actually. They're compact and square enough that they look like little juggernauts

[dark kernel]

Yeah wish I could be rogue tbh

Gnome Rogue

[spring bough]

NGL trick HO feels wicked in pvp

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/glaze-gif-14668791808919620231

[spring bough]

HO def more energy starved than KIR is though its crazy

DH was stunned at 50% with a full kidney. bro didnt get out of the stun LOL

one KS and an ambush it was over

[potent pivot]

sounds about right for a dh

[spring bough]

unseen blade dmg with HO is actually a lot higher than KIRs lol

[spring bough]

why do i always play venruki

of course this MF FOMO is playing a monk smh

[stiff cedar]

oh yeah venfuki the fotm reroller

he's never played a monk before now even, just plays whats broken, hate that guy fr

[spring bough]

2-0 on him so far

[vocal surge]

[spring bough]

he isnt doing so hot lmao

bro went 2-4 squeaked out a win last round with him lmao

LMAO

[severe helm]

thats just not true

monk is his main right after mage

not mw but ww

also mw isnt even the broken spec of monk rn is it?

[stiff cedar]

i was fully trolling, i even know the NAME of his monk toon saying venfuki lmao

[severe helm]

thought rsham is the meta rn

[stiff cedar]

was memeing on vancleef calling him fomo when he mains monk as much as he does mage or right after mage

[severe helm]

lol the dk pet pad is big

[spring bough]

not 1 word in my statement said FOTM or reroller. i know he has a monk. ive played it before. i was saying FOMO cause monk is S tier right now so of course he is playing it

[stiff cedar]

saying fomo seems pretty similar to saying fotm but fair enough ig

[severe helm]

mw is S tier?

[stiff cedar]

ww is really strong

mw is one of the worst healers in the game

[spring bough]

WW is

[severe helm]

hes not playing ww

he was the healer

[spring bough]

i had no idea i played him back to back lobbies coulda swore he was WW

[severe helm]

rofl bro

[stiff cedar]

bro what

lmao

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

im fucking trolling of course he is MW

[potent pivot]

what have i come back to

[spring bough]

i just met venfuki back to back solo lobbies

he got 2-4'd the first one think he did on the second too lol

[potent pivot]

not surprising

i bet he complained to his chat about rogue the entire time too

[spring bough]

it was DK this time actually lmao

bro was in PVE gear round 1

than just trolled later rounds

[halcyon timber]

Ven and Supa always gripe about rogue no matter what

[potent pivot]

he was going over different things on arenalogs earlier, like first blood, highest burst, avg dps, etc.
and laughed at sub being on the same level as tank's dmg

[halcyon timber]

Standard procedure from him

[potent pivot]

->spec was already below tank dps
->cries for nerfs
->spec still below tank dps
->laughs at them

[halcyon timber]

Then cries and complains bc he didn’t get to afk tap tf out of someone

I JuSt wAnT tO pLay tHe gAmE fKn rOguEs

[potent pivot]

idk man

cannot stand people like that

[halcyon timber]

Fuck em

[gleaming sentinel]

Goodafternoongoodmorningandgoodevening

[halcyon timber]

Y R u dOinG nO dAmAge type bs

Just be cool man. It’s not hard

[potent pivot]

not accounting for your own biases when you cry about something to 1000 people

[halcyon timber]

Supa fr

[potent pivot]

is genuinely just a shit person thing imo

[halcyon timber]

Yeah I completely detest biases and hive mind mentalities

[hybrid palm]

Guys I reached 1900 rating 😄

[potent pivot]

noice, gzgz

[hybrid palm]

But now wondering if I should camp it out or risk it for illusion show off early season:D

[potent pivot]

up to you, but if you're having fun you should keep queuing

nothing gained from sitting your rating

even if you lose some now, it will be easy to gain it back as the season goes on

[hybrid palm]

True, thnx !

[halcyon timber]

Big gratz man. Keep rolling.

[hybrid palm]

Ty ty !

[languid ravine]

the whole point of rating is so that you will play fair matches

cough cough blizzard cough

[languid ravine]

feels good to be back in WoW during a fresh season with lots of action and stuff going on and happening and wow this is great I forgot how much I love this game anyways here is my first match! (just kidding I didnt get to play my first match yet)

[languid ravine]

aaaaand its a 0-6 healer game

[trail ice]

sit

[potent pivot]

@alpine spade can't use the server for lfg homie

[alpine spade]

? lol

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/215503271068958722

[ember osprey]

what sword name ?

[ionic orbit]

Warlock used to be my main in 2011. Restarting this year I thought I'd go rogue, but damn it seems like the casters have it so much easier than melee. They just have to target you then press their buttons. Even if there's a bunch of visual clutter making it hard to see someone it doesn't matter for them but for melee you can lose track of your targets exact location.

[potent pivot]

Are you using a good nameplate addon like BetterBlizzPlates or something

Can hide the pet plates that don’t matter and emphasize targets/totems etc

[spring bough]

Prized Gladiator's Skewer

[languid ravine]

cope

[ionic orbit]

I don't have any add ons yet. I need a gaming computer first I think. Wife's computer lags already on minimum graphic settings.

[potent pivot]

Some addons are very minimal on performance

As long as you stay away from the big ones like WeakAuras, ElvUI, Plater, etc you should be fine

But I guess it kinda depends on what kind of CPU and how much RAM you’ve got

[gleaming pawn]

welcome to every single other dps spec in the game. Rogue is outclassed in damage done by everyone else, and every season our toolkit is making up for less and less of it

[ionic orbit]

Wife's computer is this

[ionic orbit]

Seriously. Did my opening rotation on a monk in twin peaks, after I finished he was still alive then immediately did 10mil damage to kill me within 2-4 seconds, and he was healed up already too. Like wtf.

[potent pivot]

Yeah you should be fine to run a few addons, those specs aren’t as bad as you’d think for wow

I imagine the main times you experience lag are in the main city or when there’s a lot of players/mobs rendered on your screen

When I first came back to wow in SL I had an even worse GPU than what you’ve got

I would at least get some of the basic required addons for pvp like Gladius, BetterBlizzPlates, omniCD, etc

There’s probably some settings you can tweak to get a little more performance in game as well

[hybrid palm]

Against dk dh, what's prio target, n against lock /mage/ ele sham, what's prio target, usually

[severe helm]

oo yeah what site is this again?

[potent pivot]

It’s just arenalogs

Kinda meh because no one uses it

[severe helm]

lol outlaws barely above sub

[potent pivot]

We need to normalize WCL for pvp man

[severe helm]

fr fr

[potent pivot]

Between dk and dh it’s kinda both of them, both kinda middle of the pack targets. If dh has nothing up they die in a stun.

Out of lock mage or ele it’s def lock

If there’s a lock in any match up it’s almost guaranteed the main target

[hybrid palm]

But like in big arena, if targetting lock, it gives mage free hit blinking from pillar to pillar

[potent pivot]

If you try to hard focus the mage then what are you letting the lock do?

As assa you want to bleed everything but you need to aids the lock usually, disrupt them and don’t let them free cast etc

[hybrid palm]

So like, if it's double melee comp example against lock mage or ele etc, isn't the optimal strat to split one melee training each n see what falls faster n switch n secure kill

[severe helm]

you cant kill mage rn

unless they are dogshit bad

it is the tankiest caster in the game by far imo

[potent pivot]

Splitting your pressure is kinda meh

[severe helm]

Yeah classes have too many cds now

gotta train a target to get through them all

[hybrid palm]

So why remove veil cloak then

[potent pivot]

What

[severe helm]

cuz rogue is tanky af and doesnt need it

to be good

they just made a mistake buffing mage defensiveness

they'll correct it

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

I mean i hope so

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

blizzard needs a lot of hand holding when it comes to pvp

they are very very far removed from any pvp expertise

but people dont ptr test pvp that much

[potent pivot]

Venruki is their hand holder ig

[severe helm]

if that were true rogues wouldnt still be S tier lol

[potent pivot]

S tier lol

[severe helm]

I still think cheap shot needs a cooldown

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

S tier *in competition

OR

alternative

REMOVE THE 3RD DR

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

PLS

imo removing 3rd DR would improve pve and pvp immeasurably

[potent pivot]

[hybrid palm]

I mean veil cloak had niche break out of bleeds, what was so op about it

It's less that mage ice block

[severe helm]

Yeah I mean I personally think "hard counter" talents are lame and uninteresting

[potent pivot]

Veil was never that important in arena

[severe helm]

its only relevant when assa or feral are S tier

it was WAY too op when it was 100% dodge too

[hybrid palm]

But like gave free vanish reset outside of 3 seconds also

That choice has also gone

[severe helm]

wdym

[hybrid palm]

Cloak vanish would free you of all debuffs

[severe helm]

oh sure

not really significant though

[potent pivot]

You really don’t need a clean vanish in arena

You’re using Vanish for dps or a quick way to get topped

[hybrid palm]

So I've been playing single vanish + forced induction, vanish is barely part of my gameplay. But earlier with cloak was a free bubble

[potent pivot]

What spec are you playing?

[hybrid palm]

But not sure, I mean last season was using airborne irritant, started gouging:D, so probably something missing

Sub

[potent pivot]

Ok I was about to say

But either way Vanish gives you a shield regardless of it being a clean restealth or not

You should be able to get topped by your healer with it

Using cloak and vanish just to sit stealth is a waste

That’s using 2 defensives for no real reason

[hybrid palm]

Ya but they deleted duel also, so I just feel like a wannabe brawler without any tools to rogue 😄 that existed last season

[hybrid palm]

Yes

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean I’m definitely not a fan of how much stuff just keeps getting removed from rogue as a whole the past couple years

But what can ya do ya know

[hybrid palm]

Right now sub basically plays like assassination, with dance available n no reliance on subterfuge n slightly stronger nukes if darkest night not up

[gleaming pawn]

It was too long ago to quote him but, outside of Echo/Whaaz because EU is EU, when is the last time a Rogue team won the AWC with Rogue? Just because there’s a handful of teams in NA still running Rogue comps does not mean Rogue is “s-tier in competition”

[potent pivot]

Not that long ago right

Since na and eu have completely separate tourneys now

But idr exact winners from DF

[outer sky]

I did it! I broke 1B dam!

[gleaming pawn]

Sorry I mean won the whole thing, not just a cup here and there

[potent pivot]

Run caustic and do it every game

[gleaming pawn]

Think it was back in SL with Khuwai?

[potent pivot]

But that’s dope lol

[potent pivot]

There is no whole thing anymore

Afaik NA and EU are completely separate tourneys now

So besides whaazz it’d be

Lemme see

They don’t make it easy to go back and check this shit

Without going into the actual vods

[jaunty osprey]

!guide

[lethal roost]

Rogue Guides:
WoWhead: https://www.wowhead.com/classes#rogue
Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides

[old dome]

!gear

/gear

[fathom moss]

bleeds go brrrrrrrrr

[dark kernel]

I am a large fan of our windwalker overlords

[hidden moth]

What specs are ideal rn for rmp

[stoic spruce]

Assa/frost

[spring bough]

Billy with a B

[dark kernel]

So this week we can get guaranteed 4pc if we get a tier from the raid and use a varnish + use bloody token piece and catalyst.

[grave basin]

That's right

[hybrid palm]

Is it better to use tier with lower ilvl or max ilvl non tier

[potent pivot]

generally max ilvl

if you mean pve tier, it would need to be like 665 minimum to be worth using

[hybrid palm]

Yeah I got pve tier, sad

[potent pivot]

you can buy the item to make tier scale to 678 pvp ilvl later

[hybrid palm]

Yes

[potent pivot]

from the conq vendor

so just hang onto it for now

do you have pvp 2set?'

[hybrid palm]

Nope

[potent pivot]

because sub is only using 2set for sure

you should have pvp 2set

already

[hybrid palm]

I used my catalyst for pve tier pieces which are 655 kinda

[potent pivot]

[hybrid palm]

But head piece is 678 pve

So I can use one more with it I guess

N sacrifice some I lvl

[hybrid palm]

Not 4 set?

[potent pivot]

nope

not until ppl test it and say its better than no set

most sub are assuming it will only be 2set

[hybrid palm]

But why? Like no loss of stacks during dance sounds good

[potent pivot]

because of the secondary stats

[hybrid palm]

Ah ok

[potent pivot]

all tier sets are nerfed in pvp

so many specs in the game run 0set or 2set

[hybrid palm]

What's recommended for assa in pvp

[potent pivot]

its usually within like +/- 1% damage to use 4set

assa's is a wash pretty sure

like it will make basically no difference to run it or not

[hybrid palm]

I see

[potent pivot]

wanna take that flame elsewhere?

not going to have shit like that here

[dapper chasm]

Is there a consistent way to beat a ret in a duel?

After BoP and bubble, I'm running on fumes

[potent pivot]

in... Duel?

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, I loved dueling, wana get back into it

Mages and locks feel about the same, but I went like 1-4 to a ret

The guy was insisting it's unwinnable

[harsh kiln]

who duels in 2025?:<

[safe pelican]

Hard to kill a ret 1v1 ngl only class i won’t 1v1 too many oh shit buttons

[dapper chasm]

Well, me, a mage, a lock and a ret for 4

Well, I can usually dispel BoP - belf privilage

[safe pelican]

Big brain to dispel but still don’t think that’s enough 🤣 Ret being able to hit an oh shit button in a stun and trinket is just a anti duel game changer

[dapper chasm]

Well, I won one, and it usually came to 10% hp each

But the fact they can attack in bubble, hit me out of stealth, full heals

It's just painful

[safe pelican]

This

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, but every other class feels doable

Except healers because design philosophy

" "

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

ok i got 4 set

[potent pivot]

the ilvl tho

[jaunty osprey]

im turning it into pvp tier

[potent pivot]

troo

im in pve brain

[jaunty osprey]

and then

using bloody token

for 1 piece

idc to min max on ALL of my rogues

[potent pivot]

yeh i mean

4p prolly not even minmaxing

[jaunty osprey]

no, i mean idc to min max by only using bloody tokens on accessories

and not main slots

[potent pivot]

i got hero tier shoulders

so i could also finagle 4 this week i think

[potent pivot]

ohh

ic what you meant

[jaunty osprey]

but dam

i can get belt and bracers this week

if i use bloody tokens

[potent pivot]

<

[potent pivot]

What piece would you be buying to cata?

[jaunty osprey]

i got tier helm

so i'd get bloody token legs

got 1225 tokens atm

so i can only buy legs by itself for 4 pc

or belt and bracer and stay 2 pc

main rogue gear so far

[potent pivot]

Up to you but like

You’re only doing 4p to test right

[jaunty osprey]

havent spent conq

[potent pivot]

Would u be able to afford it next week

[jaunty osprey]

not both belt and bracer

next week

[dark kernel]

On ptr sin set was a net DPS loss.

I wonder how it is now

The 4pc correction*

[potent pivot]

You mean in pve before it was fixed?

[potent pivot]

Naw I meant the legs next week

Cuz if you can just do it next week with excess tokens it’s kinda w/e right

[jaunty osprey]

tru

VICIOUS BLOODSTONES 7.7K NOWLOL

[marsh folio]

wait a second, u can buy pvp items now from others? like algari competitor's dagger? (new and returning player)

[potent pivot]

o.O

glad i bought a bunch day 1

[potent pivot]

you get them crafted

with honor or conquest level heraldries

you can buy the green algari stuff as like, the very beginner set

but its lower pvp ilvl than honor/conquest

[gloomy fiber]

Hey all for outlaw pvp I see guides saying two 1 handed swords/axe/ect. We don’t use 1 sword/axe/ect and 1 dagger (off hand)?

[severe helm]

it doesnt matter

use whatever you want for your mog

or if you plan to play assa/sub then get a dagger probably

[gloomy fiber]

Ty

[severe helm]

@potent pivot is there a way to add pvp scaling to an item like this?

or do I have to craft the pvp item separately

im assuming the latter

[jaunty osprey]

u can not

only algari items scale up

from crafted

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

was hoping the newly added tier scaling thing might be expanded somewhere

haha

[jaunty osprey]

ugh

maybe it's time to push my shuff

[dark kernel]

Good luck amigo

[river pollen]

hey my bad if its been asked before but anyone knows how to get the "free weapons"

i hope we are gettin them this week actually

[potent pivot]

earn 2500 conquest total

[river pollen]

ohhhh

nice

ty!

[potent pivot]

we do indeed get them this week

because the seasonal cap moved up to 2800

[river pollen]

btw do you guys think we will be using 4 set or 2

cus i got enough conq to get a 3rd piece (pants)

[potent pivot]

depends on spec

[river pollen]

sub for me

[potent pivot]

assa/sub 4p still need to be tested

outlaw is the only for sure 4p user atm

[river pollen]

hmm in that case i could go for maybe the feocity trinket for now

or another crafted item ill see

[potent pivot]

i would go badge

[river pollen]

true ill do that

[last jasper]

sub def 2p. 4p were garbanzo even before modifiers nerf

[potent pivot]

it definitely wasn't garbage pre nerf

not by a long shot

[severe helm]

1000% 4 set for outlaw

so busted

[spare drum]

guys which class has like the highest burst atm? since i heard sub got nerfed in terms of bomba =_=

[potent pivot]

it was disgusting pre nerf

[severe helm]

sub

its always sub

[spare drum]

out of all classes?

[potent pivot]

no

[severe helm]

except for that brief time in DF when assa was almost 1 shotting with kingsbane

[gleaming sentinel]

Non shoulders you think?

[potent pivot]

out of rogue specs sure, out of all classes no

[severe helm]

non chest

shoulders are lower stat budget

at least imo Im gona run non chest tier

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh interesting ok

[severe helm]

all classes its hard to say

subs up there

[spare drum]

ah okay

[severe helm]

but like theres always outliers

like asendence enhance sham

[gleaming sentinel]

I figured chest because there’s such low vers in the others

[severe helm]

or dev evoker

[potent pivot]

ww burst

[severe helm]

or frost dk

ww

[potent pivot]

is way higher

[severe helm]

yeah

[potent pivot]

frost dk

ye

[spare drum]

damn

[severe helm]

mastery stacking destro lock

[spare drum]

i thought itd be smth like destro

[potent pivot]

mm hunter

[severe helm]

MM hunter

[potent pivot]

u owe me a soda fucker

[severe helm]

I was first

lol

[potent pivot]

bro?

stop the cap

[severe helm]

hahaha

[severe helm]

fake

[potent pivot]

someone here is lying

and it ain't me

your discord client

is bad

update that shiz

[spare drum]

=_=

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

bs

[potent pivot]

think im gonna do some assa keys

[last jasper]

Well, I bet sub players won’t play 4p 🤷🏼‍♂️

[dark kernel]

Maybe will

[potent pivot]

ye i'm not arguing that

but

its still worth testing

[dark kernel]

Rogues are already hitting mastery DR

People will have like 100-115 mastery this season so losing a little for tier might not be bad.

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s all experimental until conquest uncaps anyway

Then you can really play with stuff

[last jasper]

😂 u didn’t see that

[safe pelican]

What was the nerf to sub ??

Couldn’t find it in the patch notes but i also suck ass at reading patch notes

[potent pivot]

oh god lol

i'm talking about the tier set being tuned down during PTR

[last jasper]

Not actually a nerf. Burst nerfed, consisted buffed.

[silent charm]

weapons of conquest are upon us, outlaw bros are we looking at double sword this time since the dagger is mastery?

kinda wack stat distribution tbh, vers/mastery fist, vers/mastery dagger, and vers/haste sword lol

no typical 1h axe for crit or something

but im guessing double vers/haste sword is just best

[potent pivot]

the vers/mastery dagger has been something needed for like 10 years man

[silent charm]

yeah def good for assa

[potent pivot]

and sub

[silent charm]

but not for outlaw lol

[potent pivot]

the actual dagger specs

_<

[silent charm]

yeah but we also have a vers/mastery 1h

[last jasper]

yea, its a miracle the;ve added it

[silent charm]

which isnt usually the case

not saying vers/mastery dagger is a bad thing

not like its ever a vers/haste dagger anyway lol

[potent pivot]

there's always a mastery 1h as well yes

ideally we shouldn't be forced into any of the stats we don't want

but yep

[silent charm]

yeah but theres also usually a vers/crit 1h

but theres no axe this time

just sword/mace

[potent pivot]

yeah weird

i would just do the haste/vers though yes

and redistribute crit elsewhere

wherever possible

[silent charm]

we already get so much unnecessary mastery from tier as outlaw

but also we're hitting DRs on haste for sure lol

[potent pivot]

well i mean

1. you don't need that much haste

2. all stats are dogshit for outlaw so it barely matters

[silent charm]

yeah thats what i mean

[potent pivot]

like the max haste i would recommend is 15% ish

[silent charm]

everything already has vers, haste is our other stat to prio, and now we kinda have to dump extra into mastery when it sucks

and crit is nerfed in pvp lol

[potent pivot]

you only need ~10%, but ~15% is fine since its not hard to have

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

crit is still fine

[silent charm]

yeah its preferred over mastery

[potent pivot]

especially if you swapped to trickster since it got buffed, trickster has crit dmg interactions

its preferred over too much haste as well

[silent charm]

but our tier forces us to have one piece with 1k+ mastery and now our options for weapons are mastery or more haste lol

[potent pivot]

ye but you can gear crit/vers on a lot of gear

especially with crafted items etc

[silent charm]

yeah and crafted weapons are prob an option later in the season too

[potent pivot]

ye

after conq is uncapped there's no reason not to

[stiff cedar]

we just gotta wait til next week and we'll get all the answers we'd ever want

[glass iris]

What's the best way to get conquest? I only do PVE but need the PVP neck

[silent charm]

weekly pvp quests should get you enough for the neck

its only 525

[glass iris]

What gear should I prioritize buying with honor? Trinkets?

[silent charm]

trinkets first 100%

[glass iris]

Which ones? ty for the help

I haven't been able to find an up-to-date guide

[silent charm]

medallion/alacrity

at least for outlaw

not sure if sub/assa use alacrity

[jolly sierra]

if you have the former season ones

aim for a weapon

[silent charm]

^true, past season trinkets still apply the same set bonus. and a cc break is a cc break

[jolly sierra]

cuz you only want the set bonus from trinkets at start w honor

[glass iris]

I have pve 675 and 655 weapons

[jolly sierra]

fair, buy jewelry then

to get secondary stats

w honor

[potent pivot]

what you buy with honor barely matters. use this once you start gearing past honor https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713 its a good beginning guide into buying conquest gear etc

[tranquil siren]

alright whose done the math for 4 set outlaw i got 1 piece thats from pve but ilv is obvi lower than pvp

[potent pivot]

no set math for pvp like there is for pve because you can't sim it, kinda have to fly by ear

if the 1 piece is lower than like 660 i probably wouldn't use it

but its not gonna make a big difference unless its really low

[tranquil siren]

its the chest piece thats pve 649

while i had just honor piece before

[potent pivot]

can prolly just use it if you want

might not be an actual damage gain in total but at least you'll get to have the bonus

[tranquil siren]

hmm okay

ty

[silent charm]

by this point in the season you should have enough conq to buy the conversion thing anyway

2 catalyst + 2 converted pve tier

thats what i have

oh actually one of my catalyst ones is warmonger

but still def better than pve ilvl

if you dont need the charges

[trail ice]

how real is that

[trail ice]

can you backflip

[tranquil siren]

what weapons you guys taking for outlaw for pvp

[potent pivot]

the haste/vers swords

[tropic mason]

whast the best honor grind

[potent pivot]

just doing BGs really

make sure u buy honor flasks

[tropic mason]

oh right

[loud ember]

do people run the same talents for 2s as in solos?

IC n shit

[potent pivot]

pretty much yeah

you can swap to KB+MA if you want

kinda just preference

[loud ember]

what do you drop

to get kb and ma

sanguine blades and what else

[potent pivot]

sbs/db

[keen canopy]

isn't comp stomp specifically the best honor grind
like 500 honor every time and the queues are like instant
obviously it isn't always the brawl though

[loud ember]

makes sense

[potent pivot]

yes but the next comp stomp isn't for over a month from now

[keen canopy]

yeah smh they should remove half the brawls from the game so we get to comp stomp faster

nobody will miss Hotmogu anyway

[spring bough]

So don’t type “LOLOLOLOLOL” after every shuffle round it’s considered spam…….

[keen canopy]

surely you didnt do that
but if you DID
why would you do that

[proper heath]

Are we planning on getting 4P for assa?

It kinda seems sus.

It's only rupture and crimson tempest damage.

[potent pivot]

dunno yet

its likely fine to run tier

you can yes @severe helm

[severe helm]

lol ty

[potent pivot]

i was trying to beat the question in #outlaw

[dense sluice]

ping me again

[potent pivot]

its probably within 1% to run or not run so, kinda w/e either way

[keen canopy]

you know i feel like i keep seeing people praise the tier sets this patch and I'm just not a big fan of them

the tier set bonuses i mean the transmogs are great obviously

except the warrior transmog that one sucks

[potent pivot]

the sub/outlaw bonuses are really nice

the assa bonus is kinda w/e

[proper heath]

Dude it's uptime is so sus.

Sometimes you rupture might do a bit more Damage and crimson tempest. Which has like 60^ uptime.

And we lose so much mastery and get so much haste and crit 😦

I'd rather just get mastery and have that % damage there all the time.

[potent pivot]

almost every piece has mastery

so you don't lose that much

and its not like crit/haste provide zero value

[proper heath]

I spit on haste!

I played my outlaw rogue turned assa, Dude. Disc priest damage.

[keen canopy]

not fond of assa in pvp but it's my preferred pve spec not that I do a whole lot of that

[proper heath]

I guess we go 4P because it seems good for sub.

[keen canopy]

yeah im liking sub this patch a lot but i miss shadowy duel every

day

not saying it wasnt super busted obviously

but it was cool

and the replacement pvp talent options for it are fine yeah but they aren't really as like flashy or thematic

[proper heath]

sub is good. It does really good damage.

[potent pivot]

Used to be the case that assa ran haste vers

I hope they fix stats one day because everyone running vers mast for every spec in the game is so fucking boring and dumb

[proper heath]

I remember, I played back then too. But atm. The comparison is .... night and day.
Seriuosly I was full blasting solo shuffle, triple dots on everyone doing the most. And then my damage is next to zero.

[potent pivot]

Haste has more value in a ST build really

[keen canopy]

oh yeah for sure i swear i dont know why i bother checking stat prio for my alt classes because i know it's totally gonna be mastery

[potent pivot]

If you run like DTB and play for max envenom damage I think some haste is probably decent

[proper heath]

I miss deadly poison. Thats what I really miss

[keen canopy]

oh yeah for sure

[proper heath]

I need to play with a class that has MS.

[potent pivot]

Shadowlands 💀

DP doing 10% of your dmg

[keen canopy]

i mean deadly poison is literally like the first talent assa gets you know
and then we dont even use it

[proper heath]

I mean it still can, but we'd be throwing.

[loud ember]

hol up

i got the 1600 rating achievement just now

[potent pivot]

Check your bags

[loud ember]

is the idea that we keep the currency till we can transform something into a tier piece

[potent pivot]

[loud ember]

no i got that far

i too see wowhead comment threads

but like do we upgrade warmode gear with it to conq gear or do we wait till tomorrow

and upgrade to a twoset

[keen canopy]

yeah i mean cmon are you gonna NOT use wound poison

or maybe you take dragon tempered blades?
no you dont

[potent pivot]

You should’ve had enough conquest to buy 2 set already

[loud ember]

i was a dumb fuck

[potent pivot]

You can play with DTB

[loud ember]

i bought conq craft tokens

[potent pivot]

Then just wait til reset yeah

If ur eu

[loud ember]

yeah i am

[keen canopy]

yeah one of my assa rogues runs it but i don't prefer it

[loud ember]

so its like in a couple of hours

[proper heath]

Poison bomb actually goes hard, we just dont play it.

oh wait. it doesn't proc off rupture now.

christ , it's been so long

[keen canopy]

yeah i really like poison bomb and kingsbane but you know a little tough to find the points for that

and I wish Death from Above was a better pvp talent

[proper heath]

me too. Our flashiest talent that represents rogue very well.

[loud ember]

is there a mark of honor vendor for season 1 TWW

[keen canopy]

yeah i mean it isn't the WORST thing ever but like you never take Death from Above over like Disarm

[proper heath]

Or system shock

System shock used to be really really strong

until they Deleted the talent, and then never balanced it

[potent pivot]

Those vendors always come the following expansion

[loud ember]

fair

[keen canopy]

same with hemotoxin
difference being is sometimes you still take hemotoxin

but like when do you really run system shock these days

leveling in war mode?

[gleaming pawn]

You could run system shock, dropping hemotoxin if you’re running the DTB/single target focused build. But you don’t usually run that outside of 2s

[loud ember]

it feels like you just default to smoke bomb, feint and disarm or hemo based on enemy comp

like for me I dont see the value in the talent mix up at all

[keen canopy]

yeah i actually considered that on my dragon tempered rogue when i played 2s at like the very start of tww but never really dropped hemotoxin i dont think im sure i did it once or twice though just to test it out

well smoke bomb is like always right the others have a little more variance

[gleaming pawn]

In single target, the extra 4% is pretty shit for a talent slot

Hemo is only truly good when you AoE 30% MS the enemy team after you just spread all your bleeds too

[proper heath]

the real question is, is there any reason to take Maneuverability

[keen canopy]

well you know if you have a partner you know is good then like in 2s i would sometimes run thick as thieves and then cast it on my frost mage partner and we would try to cheese a 1 shot roundstart if they had a class we could cheese pretty easily

Maneuverability is a talent that is in the game for sure

[gleaming pawn]

Maneuverability has some play in Blitz

Not really a reason take it in arena/shuffle though

[keen canopy]

what pvp talents does outlaw even run this season i haven't played my outlaw rogue this season like at all
probably just smoke/feint/disarm is a safe bet yeah since they removed take your cut and veil

[proper heath]

ok hear me out. Super charger, Forced Induction, Darkest night , Shiv, Amplifying poison, death from above at full combo points.

[keen canopy]

does darkest night apply to death from above?

[proper heath]

I wanna test this, it would be so sad if it still hits like a wet noodle.

DFA does an envenom so it does.

I know trill was doing this at the start of the expac, but this is before super charger

[keen canopy]

huh i didnt know that was considered an envenom by darkest night i might try it out later

[potent pivot]

We’ve already been doing this

At the start of the expansion and now

[keen canopy]

well is it good

[potent pivot]

It just never gets very popular but yes it’s good

Can hit like 6m envenoms if you line everything up iirc

[keen canopy]

huh thats pretty wicked

[gleaming pawn]

Several of us run the Kingsbane+Forced Induction build. It’s very good

[potent pivot]

Ye when I play assa that’s usually all I play

[proper heath]

I'm taking ur word on that, I'm trying it out this afternoon.

What are you giving up? Double vanish?

[potent pivot]

You can drop tea

Never drop vanish

Also I should note

[ionic orbit]

Thought I'd be about to get leg armor this week but Blizzard's conquest limits are stupid so I can't. Should I buy prized gladiator boots or wait a whole extra week or 2 to get leg armor?

[potent pivot]

Anything above like 4-5m will require Amp poison

[potent pivot]

Dps trinket maybe

If ur playing sub

I’d def buy badge

[ionic orbit]

I didn't know they only increase the limit by 600 per week. that's ridiculous

[potent pivot]

Always been that way

[ionic orbit]

yeah I'm just discovering this game. Definitely different from my 2008-2011 stint.

[gleaming pawn]

The weekly cap is pretty garbage though and should be increased. At 600 you can’t get a piece a week which is just stupid

[supple bolt]

Is the undead's racial bug still a thing in Pvp ?

[potent pivot]

Which one

Breaking stealth? Yes pretty sure

[ionic orbit]

can you run the badge with the medallion? I forget which combo I tried once but the game wouldn't let me equip both pvp tribkets

[potent pivot]

Sub always uses badge and medallion yes

[supple bolt]

Yeah so that's pretty lame

[potent pivot]

Bigger stealth bugs to fry ngl

[hidden moth]

is it worth trying to raid for 4 p this week

[supple bolt]

I'm not an Orc enjoyer, is there any Horde race to look for ?

[potent pivot]

Not really no

Night elf is too strong

[potent pivot]

Nah

[supple bolt]

Yeah but GF privilege forced me to go Horde

[gleaming pawn]

Plus being NE the world pvp boxes are basically free

If you have to be horde, you should be Orc. There is no other benefit worth it on that faction and shorter stuns in this game state is nothing to scoff at

[hidden moth]

huh

u can play with anyone in any content thats not world pvp now so faction doesnt matter

u cant disarm into warriors blade storm anymore canu

[potent pivot]

huh

[hidden moth]

it doesnt cancel storm?

[potent pivot]

i'm like 99.9% sure no

i've never even thought to try

[hidden moth]

ik it does in wotlk etc but

thats ages ago

[potent pivot]

i tend to use disarm on their CDs or their regen

bladestorm immunes like all cc afaik

(like killing spree should god damn it)

[keen canopy]

amen

[hidden moth]

fair n valid

[stoic spruce]

Okay chat

It's time to make a decision as I won't be able to change for a while

Outlaw or Assa

[hidden moth]

assa

[stoic spruce]

Okay

[safe pelican]

Would you rather play the game on cruise control or have moderate to severe carpal-tunnel ?

After you answer that you will have your desired spec

[stoic spruce]

Carpal tunnel and live or cruise control and die

[safe pelican]

Touche

[stoic spruce]

What a double edged blade

[safe pelican]

4X Hook The World

[stoic spruce]

I'll have to be a haste crit assa for a bit

Nbd

[safe pelican]

I still love Outlaw even though it cramps my hands , Assa is just free dmg can’t really beat it sometimes

[gleaming sentinel]

My knuckles hurt

[safe pelican]

That’s good, this is the area now where you grow 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

I have so many weak auras 🫠

[dark kernel]

Who has outlaw 4 set already

Need to know if it fucks

[safe turret]

I mean its just more buffs, so of course its good

[potent pivot]

it definitely isn't anything crazy, but its good enough to use

we've known this since ptr

[jolly sierra]

welcome

[severe helm]

I do

It fucks

But also is tilting

Cuz you fish hard for the 5 buff

And if you're unlucky you'll kinda just not do much damage

[ionic orbit]

I already have the dagger. do you think I should get another dagger or the detonator first weapon?

[severe helm]

Depending on the build you play it relies pretty heavily on 5 buffs

[potent pivot]

never

ever

EVER

[inner tartan]

that just outlaw : )

[potent pivot]

never buy a slow wep for sub

[inner tartan]

luck be with u

[ionic orbit]

gotcha. I'll get a second dagger then.

[ionic orbit]

what is the point of the slower weapons anyway? they benefit outlaw somehow?

[potent pivot]

outlaw has to have a slow wep in main hand to use all of it's spells

[severe helm]

Eh it's worse than normal

Normally you can outplay luck with a good rotation

This one is just pure fishing

[gleaming pawn]

am I misremembering, don't we usually have a big balancing patch by now? Or am I a week or two early on that

[stoic spruce]

A smidgen early