DN?
#pvp
stoic spruce
jaunty osprey
nope
potent pivot
so add like
jaunty osprey
standard build
potent pivot
33%+75%+19%+30% and a couple more modifiers
lethal dose, zoldycks, amp poison etc could be added on top
tier set could also be added
or 4p rather
but that's w/e
we've got so much mastery envenom build might be even better this season than last
since its slid under the radar this entire time
jaunty osprey
like this was a 1.4m
with no DN
no shiv
no symbolic
dont even think i was full combo points
potent pivot
i'm gonna give it a shot in a week or two prob
once i can slow down on gearing my chars/gearing for pve as well
dark kernel
lel
potent pivot
wolf cleave
ionic orbit
Finally figured out a good rotation from a YouTube video thanks to you guys. Today I must have been doing at least 50% more damage now with my opening sequence! Learned it just in time to get burst damage nerfed tomorrow đ
dark kernel
wolf cleave
hidden moth
Pog
hidden moth
Finally figured out a good rotation from a YouTube video thanks to you guys. Tod...
Just play assa the superior spec
hybrid palm
Better to get new honour gear or run old set ?
hybrid palm
Ok thnx
hidden moth
goionmg from conq last season to honor this season
my hp jumped by a solid 2 mil
did they remove the evoker talent
taht lets us go 70% movement speed after using hover?
nvm im dumb
waxen meteor
damn this season the bonus item is one tier charge
not a gear anymore...
didn't realize that at all
waxen meteor
i should have read discord more
too dumb i am
anyway it's monday
tomorrow i can catch up on 2 tier
it reads like we don't need 4 tier from above
waxen meteor
sin for now
but i would probably swap to sub
anyway i won't go sub till i buy the badge
hidden moth
...
waxen meteor
been buzy lately with life...
hidden moth
waxen meteor
exactly why i thought i would have got my chest from 1600 item lol
hidden moth
no
people just bitched about being killed in a single go
b c pressing a defensive every 1.5 min when shadow blades is avail is too hard
waxen meteor
it looks like this spec is deleted
waxen meteor
crazy
our s2 seems ugly to me
feels alright with head, but i don't like the look
looks garbage without head
waxen meteor
i am so used to my alt ne rogue
my main undead rogue is so trash
feels so nerfed with one less reset
hidden moth
bis
potent pivot
sub getting dumpstered
i wouldn't say dumpstered
its likely going to be fine in the grand scheme of things
waxen meteor
honestly i feel the world set looks not bad
potent pivot
basically a ~10% nerf to burst and a 20% buff to consistent damage
waxen meteor
basically a ~10% nerf to burst and a 20% buff to consistent damage
it's just to align sub with other specs
potent pivot
ye
waxen meteor
which removes all identity
and makes the game boring
like the same reason that made people quit
potent pivot
i mean
waxen meteor
i understand
hidden moth
its likely going to be fine in the grand scheme of things
sure but
potent pivot
is just weird
potent pivot
not strong enough to warrent learning vs
i wouldn't say that at all
folks should learn whatever spec they enjoy
waxen meteor
again, they took the shortcut to balance
potent pivot
tarny been playing sub for a while iirc
potent pivot
dh is looking good too
waxen meteor
dh is very good, i might play it next week
waxen meteor
dh went back to the dancing move build
waxen meteor
yeah but mvp just released his episode
i haven't played, but i believed in him
i might do warlock too, the set looks super strong and looks sexy
hidden moth
who is mvq?
waxen meteor
r1 dh
hidden moth
ah
ill have to check him out
im goin for all 13 1800 sets this season
just to flex and prove a point
ik 1800 is dog easy to get though
potent pivot
ik 1800 is dog easy to get though
especially last week of the season 
hidden moth
i mean
wit hseason mmr not reseting
ive gotten 3/13 this week
albiet on classes/specs ik how to play
waxen meteor
yeah with soft reset i can do like 8 classes in a week
hidden moth
it takes so long bc que times 
hidden moth
eh tbh u dont need to gear that hard rn
potent pivot
last week of s1 i almost got 3 more sets on the last day
hidden moth
since everyone is in honor gear XD
potent pivot
the last hour of the season the queues just stopped popping so i missed the very last one
hidden moth
rip
potent pivot
iirc i got like 9 total last ssn
hidden moth
tricks do i push glad on rogue or riest this season
potent pivot
since i'm planning to pve this season i might only play like 6
idk thats a decision you gotta make yk
hidden moth
ya
just dunno what would be easier healing or assa
bc heal gets better ques into 3v3 groups and i have more hours on it than rogue but dps is def easier to play in 3v3
waxen meteor
last week of s1 i almost got 3 more sets on the last day
i did two haha
eventually my suck ass mage made it
i didn't play frost
tried arcane
hidden moth
arcane is busted rn
waxen meteor
i think last season fury was quite good too
hidden moth
the overpowered barrier giving them invis and 3 seconds immune every blink
waxen meteor
honestly i finished 1800 without even really reading hte skills
and also that spec nobody cared about you
i was free dps like all games
hidden moth
didnt someone hit 1800 on a war last season whiile playing on a donkey kong bongo?
waxen meteor
then just all the way 1800 lol
hidden moth
conq is 600 a week ik thast
waxen meteor
yeah i am gonna buy a chest
and change to tier so i am 2 tier
then i might go for alt
once a ne, i feel so nerfed as undead now
how's outlaw now
i feel this is just outlaw
lock seems really good
potent pivot
we getting another 1350 bt tommorow or just 1k?
i think BT is 550 but idr
unborn compass
dude its insane seeing people already almost 3k in blitz, like you've gotta just be rotting in your chair
hidden moth
pres feels interesting in shuffle
feral druid asking us to slow people
i tell him u have a passive
he says
"its a healing reduction"
how tf do i know ur class better than u do and i dont even play cringe cat
hidden moth
severe helm
which removes all identity
its identity didnt really work in the modern version of the game
potent pivot
these shit delves giving me everything except new weapons
severe helm
outlaw is just so much pain and effort for less rewards lol
potent pivot
can't wait to just spam keys next week
severe helm
yeah devles kidna go hard
hidden moth
ight
went 6-0 earlier only gained 40 rating
go 0-6 lose 68 rating
and idek what tf to do better here, every round i out cc and out heal the hpal
hidden moth
these shit delves giving me everything except new weapons
craft it
also i was clearing +8s timing them with only 620 ilvl
dont need to do delves. just get some gilded crests craft u a 675 wep gg
potent pivot
not enough crests
potent pivot
trying to get caught up from s1 pvp gear
or ~600ilvl
to decent enough ilvl to get into keys
after vault tmrw and a few more delves i should be good to go
hidden moth
lost this round
WTF is the war doing
its a melee lobby
is war that fuckin hard to press buttons meanwhile the monk is throwing baby oil at everyone like his name is diddy
hidden moth
meh
its just cancer for healers
either a dps is so mentally challenged he cant breath without a machine and goes 0-6 so heals go 3-3
a dps is goated and carries nothinmg u can do to stop him from securing the bag bc the other 3 dps are so gapped by them he goes 6-0 heals 3-3 losing mmr and rating btw for going 3-3
or heals go 6-0 and gain 40 rating
or heals go 2-4 and lose 60 rating
just gonna swap to dev and press 1 button to 1800
chrome schooner
I don't know where this misconception of "healers lose mmr and rating for going 3-3"
If one if them loses mmr the other gains
They certainly don't both lose mmr
glass hazel
at certain rating if you go 3-3 you will lose rating all the time
need to be at least 4-2 to progress
so its not even 0 :x
fathom moss
DFA consuming 2 charges of deathstalkers mark is actually a game changer. I was messing with it more as a meme but you can kill in 1 less global.
fathom moss
need smarter ppl on this
ionic orbit
anyway i won't go sub till i buy the badge
what badge are you talking about?
ionic orbit
When are conquest points getting reset?
fathom moss
Today after reset i beileve
jaunty osprey
and idek what tf to do better here, every round i out cc and out heal the hpal
Well youâre playing evoker and doing 0 dmg
jaunty osprey
at certain rating if you go 3-3 you will lose rating all the time
no, it really just depends on your mmr and cr
your mmr can be 100 rating over your cr
and enemy healer can be 50 mmr lower, you will get rating for a 3-3 but lose a lil mmr
or if youâre on the other end, enemy healer has higher mmr than you, you can get rating and mmr for 3-3 IF your mmr isnt below your CR
Shadenox is right though, idk where the misconception came from and why people still dont understand shuffle MMR after 5 seasons
hidden moth
Well youâre playing evoker and doing 0 dmg
Preservation?
Disentegrate does 0 dam the only thing I see that does sizeahle dam is deep breath and fire breath
hidden moth
Shadenox is right though, idk where the misconception came from and why people s...
I get it but itâs just annoying
6-0 someone and only gain 40 rating when cr is sub 1600 just feels bad
The match making makes it so the lobby is just âplay perfect or get fucked dumbassâ
glass hazel
no, it really just depends on your mmr and cr
i mean for an average player like me whom mmr equal to cr it is that way đ
for sure if you mmr like 3k and you play on 1.8cr you most likely get cr even for 0:6
dark kernel
Hit q
gusty hedge
for sure if you mmr like 3k and you play on 1.8cr you most likely get cr even fo...
no
gusty hedge
arent you still get cr till mmr matches cr?
gotta win atleast 1 round tho
glass hazel
oh okay
so cap just 550 and it will take 4 weeks till free glad weapon ;x what a ripoff
haha why did i expect it second week
jaunty osprey
Preservation?
Yes Pres
A single fire breath which procs your living flame
will do at least 2M
Thereâs 0 point in playing Pres if you arenât gonna do damage
Itâs like playing Disc and only healing
What makes Pres good is its damage output while having good HPS
jaunty osprey
i mean for an average player like me whom mmr equal to cr it is that way đ
You NEVER lose rating for going 3-3 if youâre an âaverageâ player then
If CR = MMR
you will never LOSE RATING for a 3-3
glass hazel
it will be always 0?
jaunty osprey
And there isnât anything wrong with having to go 4-2 to gain rating if your CR = MMR
canât expect to win and lose the same amount of games and get rating if your MMR isnât higher than CR
why should someone get rating for winning 3 and losing 3, you didnât win or lose
jaunty osprey
it will be always 0?
Always 0 unless your mmr is higher than CR for a 3-3
glass hazel
ok, thanks đ now its more clear for me
waxen meteor
i mean for an average player like me whom mmr equal to cr it is that way đ
Well mmr = cr has nothing to do with if you are an average player
spring bough
Praying for some good pve items outta the vault today đ
Gotta work on this mythic set mog
dapper chasm
Danse is completely dead after the changes?
I can't see how 2% a stack is ever gonna do shit
We get like 5 stacks if we use CS/Evis/SS/Kidney/ST
But we wont always be using Cheap Shot and Kidney, so unless you wana get Shiv or Rupture involved, it's gonna be 3 stacks a lot of the time
6%, JUST during dance, vs Rotten (stronger soon as backstab will be buffed) or Dark Brew (Rupture to be buffed too)
And yeah, I know we're all mega-Chads and score 12 stacks of Danse every single time, but let's be real here
dark kernel
6%, JUST during dance, vs Rotten (stronger soon as backstab will be buffed) or D...
Its probably still going to be meta because given all that it's still probably 400K to 500K damage during a big rotation and that pathway is still pretty ideal for gameplay.
I can see potentially changing up and using a second point in the 3rd symbols of death talent.
hidden moth
What makes Pres good is its damage output while having good HPS
The damage in the lobbies makes it feel like I got a second to cc something then back to healing
First time playing pres just going for 1800 set
halcyon timber
Not likely a wild shift. Just more styles are open now really. Danse will still be good. It will feel like a bonus instead of the only time you do jack.
hidden moth
Also disc doesnât do that much damage in comparison lol
halcyon timber
Discipline at least increased in void weaver again so thatâs cool
hidden moth
My main point was the dps gap in that lobby felt ass, no amount of damage I contributed as a healer would make up for the fact the ww did more dps than my dk and war combined
halcyon timber
Oh was just a side bar observation
hidden moth
Discipline at least increased in void weaver again so thatâs cool
Ya, idk anyone running that in 3v3
Voidweaver is 2v2 haste build spec
halcyon timber
Someone will surely
Oracle offensive / defensive bolts is cool too
Def a creative hook they tossed in
Up having some movement is cool to see as well.
hidden moth
Top 50 disc on murlok io in 3v3 bracket are all oracle
halcyon timber
I hope priests are having a good time
hidden moth
I have been enjoying it
But priest def doesnât do the same dps as pres is supposed to
halcyon timber
Top 50 disc on murlok io in 3v3 bracket are all oracle
Thatâs cool man. I hope they are jamming out and having a good time seriously
Pres living flame thought steal any good?
hidden moth
I dont run thought steal
halcyon timber
As a priest
hidden moth
Havenât seen anyone run that in a min tbh
halcyon timber
Ok ok just asking since you priest it up
Yeah i see some dudes rip fears and polys
And flame sometimes
hidden moth
Disc is comfy for me but thatâs bc I can pillar hump / death fade meld cc where evoker im in the middle of map following my warrior around
halcyon timber
XD yeah tin cans donât think
jaunty osprey
The damage in the lobbies makes it feel like I got a second to cc something then...
Nah I definitely get that and understand
Sometimes the best way to get the enemy team to stop doing so much damage is to just do more damage yourself
If you play more aggressive, itâll make them play defensive
This game is very momentum based
if you fall behind early, youâre gonna have a bad time
hidden moth
This is true
While my dam is low I will say my cc is high
Keeping roots on people and cross cc with dream breath
Er sleep walk
jaunty osprey
Pres evokers have one of the strongest BURSTS out of any healer
You can hit for 3M in a second
Burst at the right time and you will force big CDs, you donât gotta consistently pump, but shouldnât be doing 700k damage after a whole SS round
CC does nothing if enemy team isnât taking damage
hidden moth
Thatâs fair
With my skill level on pres atm I wasnât able to do much but spam heals with the monk doing that much damage
grave basin
NA UP
hidden moth
Also doesnât help the evoker pvp discord is dead
dark kernel
I like to pretend to be a rogue
drowsy prairie
Has anyone got any advice on surviving as ass? Just picked it up and safe to say I am ASS
wintry island
hello rogues, can someone explain me this guy? He is top sub at blitz, with trickster and often no-dagger as off hand. I play trickster too (around 1850 rating now), but its first time as rogue for me and dont know why to choose slow off hand. What are + and - off dagger vs sword as offhand in pvp? Asking just because i like sword on back as sub, but for sure - just to be better and have knowledge đ - i want just to add - most of subs play 2x dagger and deathstalker
dark kernel
https://murlok.io/character/us/steamwheedle-cartel/weedtyler/pvp
Top of blitz means nothing. A person got rank 1 in blitz last season being hardstuck 1800 rating in solo shuffle.
wintry island
Ok, i dont care much about it, but got it. Why someone is playing no dagger offhand and what is + and - please? Is deathstalker and 2x dagger just better on paper? Is dagger better cause of poison or some talent faster apply?
last jasper
Shadow technique is better with daggers
dark kernel
Dagger is better for all sub specs because of shadow techniques passive it gives you combo points for offhand strikes
Yeah more CPs per more attacks
last jasper
Ppl used to take swords cuz of mastery. But since u can craft mast dagger and blizz added conq mastery dagger there is 0 reason to pick sword of hand
Or maybe he is also playing outlaw. Idk
dark kernel
Yeah and it looks like he likes his mog
wintry island
Thank you đ deathstalker vs trickster? I somehow cant get into using aoe in st with deathstalker.
It is big diff?
dark kernel
Desthsralker is the most used, probably still, but Trickster has some valid builds.
I played both at 2.1K this last season
Deathstalker got slight nerfs this last patch with the modifier stacking of Darkest Night
last jasper
Mm damage is so insane that I literally feel bad for playing it. đ
wintry island
Thank you for answers
grave basin
bois
someone left in my solo
and the rounds just kept playing themselves
and ended at the starting room
until all 6 rounds finisheda nd my 2 wins became 4 for every dps
3 for every healer and 0 for the guy that left
wtf just happened?
spring bough
3 set from vault. so close
dark kernel
3 set from vault. so close
You gonna use catslyst on your shoulders then?
spring bough
i got PVE shoulders from vault so prob gonna buy the conversion item from the vendor
pretty sure u can slap a 678 pvp upgrade on tier this season
dark kernel
What ilvl was vault?
spring bough
645 ilvl champion gear
dark kernel
Ahh that's a little oof
spring bough
yeah but pretty sure forr 700 conquest i can buy an item that upgrades it to pvp ilvl
so no cata needed
dark kernel
Yeah but you can't get that this week since it's 600 cap and you only have 25 conq leftover from last week
So you're delayed
Oh wait is it 725 this week?
spring bough
yup. "conqueror's prized lacquer" is "increase minimum ilvl of undermine set to 678 in bg/arena"
dark kernel
Maybe it's 125 leftover
spring bough
600 conq this week
dark kernel
Yeah but we spent 1475 as outlaw last week right?
spring bough
i gotta wait a week
spring bough
stalled on both conq and bloody tokens this week but its all G since i went for a wep. gonna make a 675 pve wep later, so my weps for the season are done today lol
spring bough
outlaw almost doing as much as sin in Blitz lol
dark kernel
Interesting. I don't know that rogue as an emerald dreamer
spring bough
Interesting. I don't know that rogue as an emerald dreamer
i killed his ass lol
holy shit. 3 rounds in a row
5 buffs, 6th fro mCTO, KIR'd each round
dark kernel
That's dank. I still haven't tried kir but when we get geared I'ma make a build for it.
Did 2s up to 2k MMR on fresh rogue took break went to my main
spring bough
1.2mil BTEs on MM hunters feels great
lusty olive
Warmonger cape or drape for assassin?
dark kernel
Warmonger cape or drape for assassin?
Which one has mastery
lusty olive
Cape has more mastery
dark kernel
1.2mil BTEs on MM hunters feels great
That's an insane number is that real with modifiers and the dispatch added?
dark kernel
Cape has more mastery
That one then
lusty olive
Thnx
spring bough
That's an insane number is that real with modifiers and the dispatch added?
thats in a solo against an MM and that isnt including the dispatch hit
Xylvana if you in here GGs on that blitz
spring bough
2 subs and and outlaw walk into the same team on Silvershard Mines... GG
gloomy fiber
What Outlaw rogue tier pieces? I have the conq head and conq hands turned into tier. The next two should be pants and shoulders? Leave the chest how it is?
spring bough
What Outlaw rogue tier pieces? I have the conq head and conq hands turned into t...
PVE build is taking everything but legs. might go that route. i was 50/50 shoulders or legs non tier but idk now
gloomy fiber
PVE build is taking everything but legs. might go that route. i was 50/50 should...
Yeah the legs have more crit and the shoulders have more mastery. So I was thinking legs for just that. I think it is just minor thing tho
severe helm
hello rogues, can someone explain me this guy? He is top sub at blitz, with tric...
weedtyler is a long long time rbger
he doesnt know much about builds/stats/gearing/etc
he just plays a lot
its early season so people who are high in some brackets are just the ones who are playing the most
I wouldnt copy him he didnt even get r1 title in blitz last season lol
severe helm
elemental focusing lens is better for outlaw
but in terms of slots you can do jewelry if you want to stack haste like some people or do boots/belt if you want to go crit vers
formal pebble
elemental focusing lens is better for outlaw
What slots for lens?
severe helm
but in terms of slots you can do jewelry if you want to stack haste like some pe...
@formal pebble
formal pebble
Ok, got it, lens doesnt got any restrictions thanks, trying to write up a chart for gear to help a friend. Lot more juggling than my own gearing for sub rogue
jaunty osprey
IF you want 4 set next week, save conq and bloody token
and convert 2 pieces next week
And then upgrade that bloody token tier piece over to conq tier, last
dark kernel
IF you want 4 set next week, save conq and bloody token
Yes
potent pivot
holding
next week we get free weapons and probably buy Badge
actually you can buy Badge this week iirc
nope
nvm
you'd be like
75 conq short
nahj fucked up
i think nahj made a guide
but like he fucked up on his main
stiff cedar
IF you want 4 set next week, save conq and bloody token
how so? we didn't get a cata charge this week, i think the only way we get 4set next week is if we get a pve tier piece and use conq to upgrade it, and then use next week's cata charge. right?
potent pivot
yeah
catalyst is every other week
i think this is the rogue nahj didn't fuck up
he didn't spend conq this week
only bought bloody token wrist
i've got a lens on my wrist so idk if i'll do all that
dark kernel
There's nothing to buy this week for outlaw or Sub
You're saving for next week to get guaranteed 4 piece
potent pivot
You're saving for next week to get guaranteed 4 piece
you can't guarantee 4p
we only get 3rd catalyst charge next week
dark kernel
Pretty sure it's weekly now
dark kernel
Huh. Felt fast last season.
potent pivot
it speeds up to once a week later on in the season or something i think
but that's like
after .5 or .7 patch
dark kernel
Week 13 usually
Hmmm
I should have been less lazy last week but I was sleepy oh well
slender barn
so do we just not get the 4p for a little while?
dapper chasm
Isn't it worth getting some tokens for something and only save enough conq to round up the next 600 to get trink?
potent pivot
so do we just not get the 4p for a little while?
might not ever be using it depending on spec
but yeh
it'll be like 3w before 4p unless u pve
slender barn
okay gotcha
potent pivot
Isn't it worth getting some tokens for something and only save enough conq to ro...
you could get bloody token bracers
slender barn
fine with me, changing all the gear is just too much thinking justlet me buy my little conq pieces
potent pivot
thats about it
slender barn
what are you guys getting for conq cap this week?
potent pivot
wdym
slender barn
the conq cap goes up today right?
potent pivot
uh huh
slender barn
ah so you'
potent pivot
holding for next week
potent pivot
ye
slender barn
yeah 600 only gets u like a trinket or sm
potent pivot
next week we can get dps trinket or another tier set piece
dapper chasm
Owned
Sometimes I get NoTrickz to repeat himself for things I asked myself just earlier that day
But never for the sentence between my questions, that's new
slender barn
i feel bad for NoTrickz his job is to answer the same thing from helpless idiots
dapper chasm
And my questions too, yeah
dark kernel
I watch Nahj and Kalvish answer the same 500 questions
The system has been the same almost since DF
slender barn
maybe some of us have been playing for 1 week
dapper chasm
I've been back in the game long enough to feel comfortable now
But imagine watching streamers, ewww
Just play
slender barn
i did m+ in dragonflight but i never play retail
dapper chasm
You're not still doing PvE, are you?
slender barn
no
dapper chasm
Good man
dapper chasm
slender barn
but i might need to get 2k io score cuz the mount is cool
jolly sierra
get used
slender barn
the first time i played wow was classic priv server like 12 years ago
dark kernel
World of Warcraft arena is a Stockholm syndrome simulator with Blizzard entertainment
dapper chasm
but i might need to get 2k io score cuz the mount is cool
I don't know what that means, but it makes me want to attack you
With flask and pots too
jolly sierra
World of Warcraft arena is a Stockholm syndrome simulator with Blizzard entertai...
you sounds funny, like a forum user
dark kernel
you sounds funny, like a forum user
I've been here for 20 years
dapper chasm
And never considered getting good?
dark kernel
I was playing at gladiator level in TBC, and I did the original rank 14 grind
I'm just old now
jolly sierra
i played since 2008
slender barn
i was born after TBC
jolly sierra
tbh i don't care, as I still get rewards
dapper chasm
i was born after TBC
Holy shit
slender barn
my baby pics w my dad are in front of the wow login screen
dark kernel
i was born after TBC
Let's go lil Kalvish je
jolly sierra
XD
dapper chasm
I was destroying men while you were still on mama's titty, boy
slender barn
in wow? i assume
dapper chasm
Ending careers
dark kernel
in wow? i assume
Zanaken is our special boy dw
jolly sierra
in wow? i assume
in bed
slender barn
makes sense
jaunty osprey
catalyst is every other week
Oh, is it every other week? Mb thought it was every week
potent pivot
yeye
slender barn
wait when do we get catalyst?
jolly sierra
u guys are actively playing? i barely have time F
jaunty osprey
But yeah, it was prob cause I was thinking about the pve tier thing in back of my mind too
dark kernel
u guys are actively playing? i barely have time F
I got duelist last season with a newborn man wya
slender barn
u guys have jobs??? how do you make time for wow
jolly sierra
u guys have jobs??? how do you make time for wow
i have and play in weekends xddd
jolly sierra
I got duelist last season with a newborn man wya
nice nice, same, but with no kid
dapper chasm
Imagine working a job
potent pivot
wait when do we get catalyst?
next week..
dapper chasm
jolly sierra
I'm way too lazy to push forward to 2k4
dark kernel
nice nice, same, but with no kid
Race you to elite this season, no blitz
jaunty osprey
u guys are actively playing? i barely have time F
Same, am at work atm
slender barn
id get duelist if i could play more than 1 game an hour
jolly sierra
Race you to elite this season, no blitz
nah, the job is overwhelming
maybe if i have time
jaunty osprey
I remote desktoped onto my PC and was about to login
But I wanna wait till Iâm home so I can screen record myself getting my first 3s r1 title
dark kernel
I'm doing mostly normal 3z this season
jolly sierra
Same, am at work atm
damn, careful w the phone
dark kernel
It's unfortunately a whole another ball game of difficulty
jaunty osprey
Nah Iâm the manager at work, Iâm chillin
jolly sierra
ah nice
dark kernel
Ivan who did you get glad with last season
jolly sierra
my own never wants me to pick the phone
jaunty osprey
Ivan who did you get glad with last season
Uhhh
I got it like 8 times
last season
dark kernel
Lmao
jaunty osprey
I play with diff people every time
potent pivot
jaunty osprey
I donât have a set team
dark kernel
I got you. I recognize you playing with different people variously on streams sometimes
I think I saw you play nahh the other day
jaunty osprey
My usual people is
Montage/Awaken/Isecretly - healers
Nos/Shards/Noz - Warlocks
Reiler/Jaywaz - Hunter
Bigdam - Enhancement
spring bough
any1 else doing trickster KIR? having so much fun with these 5+ rolls
jaunty osprey
those are the people I play the most w
jaunty osprey
We got to 3k as enhance assa last season
dark kernel
That's actually real. Sin frostdk looks meaty this season
dark kernel
You have to be like the only person to play sin and enhancement though
I have never heard that
spring bough
20 of 23 BTE's crit. what a round holy crap lol
jaunty osprey
Outlaw is so fun when you RNG well
spring bough
next rround was 12 of 17 crit
spring bough
nothing like hitting KS on an BM hunter at 40% and they are dead within 1.5 seconds
jolly sierra
nothing like hitting KS on an BM hunter at 40% and they are dead within 1.5 seco...
fkn hunters
spring bough
fkn hunters
brrrrrtttt
bro got KS'd and raipd fired. was a BM not an MM whoops lol
outer sky
hey @jaunty osprey @potent pivot if assa does run 4 set do yall know which piece we for sure don't make into tier?
quaint stream
So whatâs the consensus? Rotten vs Danse (after the nerfs)
spring bough
got my 675 wep crafted from solo shuffle gildeds lol
walked into normal lib. 95''d the first boss on normal ez mode lol
dark kernel
So whatâs the consensus? Rotten vs Danse (after the nerfs)
Danse still, maybe sub Danse for 2nd point in symbols skill
idle sundial
Anyone know if I can mix PvP set items with M+ set items to get 2p?
dark kernel
Anyone know if I can mix PvP set items with M+ set items to get 2p?
Yea
idle sundial
thanks!
outer sky
hey yall I just discovered a hack
if youre in war mode
doing open world content n shit
potent pivot
Anyone know if I can mix PvP set items with M+ set items to get 2p?
if its decent ilvl yeah. if its too low its not worth
outer sky
select the maneuverability PvP talent, press sprint, then while sprint is active swap manuv to a different pvp talent. You'll get the full 12s of sprint but also the 30s CD from manuv
jaunty osprey
potent pivot
Do you ever pve these days
potent pivot
Yeah I stopped after SL
jaunty osprey
I was asked if I wanted to push keys this season and said prob not
jaunty osprey
just do it
till u get bored
PVP doesnt matter
till .5 patch
so many changes happen anyway
potent pivot
Yeah
Gonna take it a bit slower in pvp this ssn, too many characters got annoying
Pve will get boring after hitting 3k io
Highly doubt Iâm gonna get back into raid atm idk
pastel burrow
Idk why but I want to pve this season
this is honestly a rly solid pve season to play tbh
potent pivot
do you have a healer that's geared
Nop
pastel burrow
the raids cool, the keys are chill, the new aoe markers and shit give more visual clarity etc
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot
2 stack of tier
supercharge
DFA
just hit
3.9m
with symbolic and DN
@potent pivot 5 million
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> 5 million
yepyep
fully geared with everything should be 6m
@jaunty osprey try uhhh
jaunty osprey
this isnt even
potent pivot
lingering darkness
potent pivot
yeah
potent pivot
<
jaunty osprey
but i think we can hit 10M
potent pivot
jolly sierra
deserved, fkn hunters
jaunty osprey
they're gonna nerf it so fast though
idk if u saw that survival hunter 1 shot
that was my friend who did all of that
potent pivot
i saw bicmex theorycrafting stuff
potent pivot
inner tartan
select the maneuverability PvP talent, press sprint, then while sprint is active...
dosent that count as exploiting thou lmfaoooo
potent pivot
i don't think you can swap pvp talents in bgs no?
jaunty osprey
nope
inner tartan
at the beging u can and stuff dosent reset when timer is done
so u can ar blade fury when u go in unbless they swap it
cyan imp
WHen are the rogue changes coming through? I thought it was today
dark kernel
WHen are the rogue changes coming through? I thought it was today
It was unless you were eu
cyan imp
tooltip is the same
dark kernel
On what. The tooltips don't change they are pvp only changes
You kind of just have to know them.
dark kernel
I haven't played yet but I watched Kalvish and Nahj for a good few hours. They say that top end burst is barely lower. Consistent damage is up
outer sky
Anyone here an engineer on NA who can recraft engi bracers for me please?
cyan imp
Are they saying its a buff?
dark kernel
The tl;Dr is if you're a more average player you should do better, and very skilled player it's a small nerf
cyan imp
I see
dark kernel
It's just a re-profiling of damage
cyan imp
WHen i was reading it, it felt like a nerf
dark kernel
Pro players are super mega good at tracking all buffs and getting mega crits together. If you line it up perfectly then there was about a 10% nerf.
cyan imp
Are we running same talents?
dark kernel
Are we running same talents?
For now yes.
jaunty osprey
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jaunty osprey
ya
i lost to kalv and kubzy
kalv hit a 2.8m evis
into a 900k from the shadow portion
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot
i figured out preemptive bug
it doesnt give you the damage reduction if you dont get autod
that's what's bugging it
it can be autod by anything
but if you are stunned and dont get autod at all, you dont get the DR
doesnt work on ranged autos too (mm hunter)
stoic spruce
That's weird
hollow carbon
Ofc another bug..
stoic spruce
Yeah :/
Though it's prolly good it's not on a player lol
Blizz would have your head
mystic pasture
haha
fallen scaffold
focusing lens only works on stat gems right? not meta gems likee precog and enduring
jaunty osprey
focusing lens only works on stat gems right? not meta gems likee precog and endu...
yes
potent pivot
on pvp dummy though
Yeah dummies take a good bit more dmg than players
potent pivot
but if you are stunned and dont get autod at all, you dont get the DR
Hmm
That makes zero sense
mystic pasture
Yeah dummies take a good bit more dmg than players
my buddy dies before i can get my DFA off... need a better way to test
potent pivot
my buddy dies before i can get my DFA off... need a better way to test
Just play it in games and check for new records
mystic pasture
can I build it up on a dummy? then DFA on them
potent pivot
Not atm
jaunty osprey
did 1000 stun sample size
potent pivot
Gd
potent pivot
What about abilities no autos
jaunty osprey
STUN, NO ABILITIES, AUTOS - 60% DR
you need to be melee autod
at least once
and the feint tooltip updates
jaunty osprey
it can be a pet
it can be anything
as long as it's melee auto
that's why i originally thought
it didnt work with lasso
and deep breath
jaunty osprey
yep
also
corrupt the blood
proccing on random targets
that you target
if you have rupture on target a
and target target b
it'll prob on target b
potent pivot
Well yeah
Most deathstalker things do some sort of funnel onto your target
Some of it is marked target only
Some is just target
mystic pasture
trying!
wanton breach
wait what, is envenom viable again in pvp?
potent pivot
Ye I just didnât know what you were running
potent pivot
wait what, is envenom viable again in pvp?
Workin on it
Kinda have to have very perfect circumstances and build for it though
So highly doubt most people will bother
wanton breach
sounds like supercharger + lingering darkness + darkest night shenanigans from season 1
potent pivot
Mhm
wanton breach
which still only hit like a wet noodle compared to some other abilities
mystic pasture
lingering darkness instead of symbolic...hmmm
severe helm
https://imgur.com/xGrHaAB
WAIT IT IS 60%?!?!?!
is blizz fucking high?
but also LOLOL at it requiring being autod
blizz is actually such a meme
potent pivot
WAIT IT IS 60%?!?!?!
ye
potent pivot
he tested that day 1 of the season xdd
potent pivot
well
potent pivot
its a great replacement for our removed shit
severe helm
its horrendously broken
potent pivot
but yep they kinda are its weird
bro if i don't get a weapon soon ima lose it
gonna have to take a dogshit dagger from the vault 
odd yew
Just realized I bought the wrong bloody token cape last week, not the end of the world but still
lil extra vers don't hurt
mystic pasture
melee autod
for real? damn, that's weak
severe helm
gonna have to take a dogshit dagger from the vault <:SAD:718207731185745922>
why not craft it?
crafting mainhand is pretty safe in the long run tbh
cuz its pretty hard to get a myth track weapon a lot of the time
esp if you arent a mythic raider
cuz youre just praying it drops from vault by keys
potent pivot
why not craft it?
need crests
too rat to get into keys
prolly just gonna take the dogshit dagger from vault and upgrade it, then push my key up
game hates me i stg 
hybrid palm
Purple Pvp daggers should be got with the 2500 conquest points right?
The achievement I mean
potent pivot
ye we get them for free next week
hybrid palm
Ok cool
sick wasp
indigo hill
3 saps at the start or 3 cheap shots and their buff is gone.
potent pivot
you know you cannot sap or cheap
you can
thats how you clear the nullifying
gotta cc them x3 to clear it
lyric onyx
Howâs sub after reset changes feel better or worse to people?
potent pivot
Howâs sub after reset changes feel better or worse to people?
seems about the same but with a bit higher consistent dmg
potent pivot
your max evis lost maybe 500k
like the omega stars aligned evis
can still hit some 3m's
lyric onyx
like the omega stars aligned evis
Yeah canât bank on that to happen anyway
Consistency Iâll take that over luck
potent pivot
yh
might want to start running dark brew/replicating shadows build
but
everyone's still testing diff stuff out
dapper chasm
Thinking of turning this
Into this
But I'm not sure, as weaponmaster is stronger now that backstab sucks a little less in general situations
Oh, NoTrickz of the lake - what does your wisdom say on such matters?
potent pivot
WM and PV are both pretty bad
either is fine imo
i just assume we'll run rupture build to help with more consistent dam
dapper chasm
I just tested this, Replicating Shadows over Weaponmaster, Deeper Daggers over Flag and Dark Brew over Danse
It's actually very nice damage outside the buffs
dapper chasm
Still not sure about Replicating though, but it hasn't fucked me yet
But I know it will
potent pivot
rupture is kinda paddy but at this point kinda necessary
dapper chasm
potent pivot
but it does make goremaws hit pretty hard
dapper chasm
Sounds like a hipster build, NoTrickz
potent pivot
now that ER is gone though idk
that build was kinda dependent on ER being a hard hitting builder as well
dapper chasm
I get using initials for abilities
But your use of it here is making me mouse over a bunch of talents
brisk hinge
Is it worth it buying weapons for bloody tokens?
potent pivot
Is it worth it buying weapons for bloody tokens?
Not really
brisk hinge
What would you buy for bloody tokens?
potent pivot
depends on spec
brisk hinge
outlaw
potent pivot
but generally whatever off pieces u can with decent stats
brisk hinge
not yet, but i got a pve chestpiece with a tier set just now ^^
potent pivot
is it decent ilvl?
brisk hinge
well, it's 623 :\
potent pivot
yeah i wouldn't use it in pvp >_<
all tier set bonuses are nerfed in pvp, its just not worth using a pve piece if its too low ilvl
compared to just a 665 honor piece
but the main goal for outlaw rn is conq helm/gloves to turn into 2p
any other off pieces you can supplement with bloody tokens are fine
like a haste vers cloak, etc
potent pivot
npnp
we get free weps next week so
would just be a bit of a waste to buy em unless you had literally nothing else worth buying
brisk hinge
oh yeah forgot about these
azure geyser
brisk hinge
is supercharger viable in pvp?
potent pivot
is supercharger viable in pvp?
Ye
In fact I think most outlaw players run it now
Might feel a bit more punishing if you mess up your ADR uptime because no vigor, but itâs good
dapper chasm
I don't wana fuck this up - but we have enough for neck this week, leaving 100 conq
That means another 600 next week gets us trink?
brisk hinge
seems like i screwed up my stats
potent pivot
I don't wana fuck this up - but we have enough for neck this week, leaving 100 c...
if the math maths then i guesso
most ppl already crafted neck
potent pivot
seems like i screwed up my stats
yeah you want to drop all mastery for crit/vers and some haste for them as well
dapper chasm
if the math maths then i guesso
The maths can only maths if my maths is based on true numbers
ARE we getting 600 next week?
potent pivot
ye
potent pivot
3?
dapper chasm
Just want to make sure
brisk hinge
My dps seems lower with supercharger :\ Is it really what most outlaws use?
dapper chasm
Also, is there any reason to not make crafted daggers? I'm nearly honor capped again
dapper chasm
Also, want to confirm: I recrafted S2 neck and kept the sockets + gems
potent pivot
practically everyone has swapped to supercharger now
gusty hedge
My dps seems lower with supercharger :\ Is it really what most outlaws use?
yes, if you mess up rotation it's very punishing, gotta manage Adr Uptime.
potent pivot
Also, want to confirm: I recrafted S2 neck and kept the sockets + gems
anything season 2 will keep everything on it
dapper chasm
And now it's confirmed
Past tense
Damn Americans
Do people run Gloomblade?
Wait, ignore that, the point is from the lower tier
potent pivot
not really
dapper chasm
These changes really make things feel way easier in the mid game - whoever said it's a buff to average rogues: Fuck you
median musk
brisk hinge
holy shit guys supercharged killing spree is insane
potent pivot
brisk hinge
nevermind me, just having fun ^^
brisk hinge
nah, i've been using killing spree and trickster since s1 but with supercharger it's something different and i like that
should change that fatebound token tho
jaunty osprey
for real? damn, that's weak
Ya
jaunty osprey
but also LOLOL at it requiring being autod
Ya, 60% and RIGHT?! Itâs quite silly