pvp

[grave basin]

i went from like 1.1 to 1.7 in 1 game

1 more lobby for me

sp is so fucking strong i swear

[potent pivot]

is DH feeling decent this season? @hidden moth

[hidden moth]

middle pack

not bad feels good feels aweful vs mm evoker

[grave basin]

thats some heavy sandbag

[hidden moth]

mage

[grave basin]

wish AR wasnt so global heavy

but way more fun than fel scarred

(imo)

[hidden moth]

im loving alrachi rn

the gcds for burst is alot

[potent pivot]

I want to play it more this season so I hope it stays good

Are you guys playing mover talents

[grave basin]

yes

it's alot easier to proc now

just backflip into felblade

[somber plank]

Woah woah woah what are these sub changes

[potent pivot]

I just know that they dropped mover talents in pve

[grave basin]

i see someone i know

[somber plank]

Lower peaks but higher valleys in damage they reckon?

[grave basin]

who's that rog

[potent pivot]

Ye

[somber plank]

Interesting, Im not opposed to it

[potent pivot]

That’s Nahj man, and some noob on the other team

@jaunty osprey

[potent pivot]

I watched Nahj vs @outer sky earlier too

[hidden moth]

took his 6-0 in the last round though

[outer sky]

who won?

[hidden moth]

thats not reaver glaive

[grave basin]

w0t

[hidden moth]

to proc reaver glaive u either gen and use 6 souls or use the hunt

[grave basin]

yea thats to proc inertia

[potent pivot]

Oldschool taught the newschool

[grave basin]

Reavers is a whole nother sequence

[outer sky]

huh?

[hidden moth]

always has been

[grave basin]

ivanrah won btw

sub F tier

[hidden moth]

ur thinking of inertia which was immo aura into fel rush which is now hunt or retreat into fel blade or rush

[grave basin]

yea im literally saying thats the mover build

that @potent pivot asked

nothing to do with hero talents

[outer sky]

i only lost to Nahj once that lobby

[hidden moth]

oh i misunderstood

[potent pivot]

“who?”
“garrote”

[hidden moth]

inertia is mover while exergy is nonmover

[outer sky]

"yes"

[grave basin]

pika still streaming classic

[outer sky]

I know what he's thinking

[grave basin]

nature has not healed

[outer sky]

"Why do you need a kill target when your whole spec is just to run around and garrote everyone"

or some shit

but he should know

we still have a KT

to some extent

[potent pivot]

He streamed some 3s yesterday I think

[grave basin]

nahj is just the biggest whiner dude

everytime sub isnt meta spec his eyes roll to the back of his head when he;s forced to play assa/outlaw

[potent pivot]

Except he doesn’t

[sterile prairie]

!stats

[grave basin]

he for sure does

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[grave basin]

been that way since SL when outlaw just dunked on sub

[potent pivot]

Last season he mostly played sub still

[gleaming pawn]

did Ivan also beat Nahj?

[grave basin]

yea i know, he still whines non stop about how the other two specs are better

[grave basin]

yes

[potent pivot]

I mean he has a point

[outer sky]

I just dont understand how anyone can enjoy sub. The entire spec is literally designed around 100-0ing someone in a duel and now they can't even do that

[potent pivot]

Usually

[grave basin]

used to be fun when backstab and ambush did damage

[stoic spruce]

What's funny is sub was much better than outlaw but everyone was too busy playing assa to tell.

[potent pivot]

Newschool rogue brain

[outer sky]

but that was many moons ago

[grave basin]

ye some people refuse to let go

lol

hes one of the few wrath? era rogues

ig to each their own but sub feels really bad imo after legion rework

[potent pivot]

Every spec in the game should be viable

[grave basin]

sub before legion rework was art

[potent pivot]

Sub is for the true pvpers

This “lol cleave everything in sight lol” pvp meta is what’s dumb

[grave basin]

sub would be alot mroe enjoyable when they prune the 2000000 modifiers from the spec

and just buff baseline evis and make evis hit one big chunk instead of spliting the damage

[hidden moth]

^

[grave basin]

evis crit used to be high dopamine

now it;s like split into 5 different spells

[hidden moth]

ewhile nahj is right that sub is the "pvp spec" the cold calculated w/e

his take that only 1 spec per class should be able to play pvp

is wild

[unkempt viper]

So outlaw's stat prio seems weird. I see a lot of people going pure haste

[stoic spruce]

Don't do that

[potent pivot]

You should mostly ignore sites like murlok the first couple weeks of a season if that’s where you’re looking

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[unkempt viper]

I'm looking at drustvar lmao so yeah

[potent pivot]

~10% haste > vers > crit

[unkempt viper]

okay, so I need to fix my gearing lmao I'm at 20%

I'm used to disc priest stacking mastery

[potent pivot]

Just fix it as you go with conq gear

If you’re just in honor gear I wouldn’t worry about it much

[unkempt viper]

yeah it's only honor gear

[potent pivot]

Yeah you’ll replace it all as you go either way

It’s not going to be a big difference

Right now

[unkempt viper]

Build wise is there a go to build or is it super up in the air as people play the new season?

[potent pivot]

Gonna need a load of honor for sockets later etc

[potent pivot]

There’s 2 main builds really

HO+fatebound or HO+trickster

Some people play KiR as well but I don’t expect it to get that popular

[stoic spruce]

I bet HO would've been more well received had DF launched with double vanish instead of shadowdance

[potent pivot]

Possibly

[unkempt viper]

Alrighty. They're about the same as the PVE versions yeah?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

Well

You run KS with every pvp build

Pve only runs KS with trickster

[unkempt viper]

Okay makes sense

I'm probably asking some stupid questions, I just really want the elite gear lmao

[stoic spruce]

We played loaded dice before it was cool

[potent pivot]

No worries

[unkempt viper]

Any payoffs for either build? Is one bursty and the other more consistent? I know fatebound is goofy for CTF maps because of the four grappling hooks in a row but

[potent pivot]

Not really

[stoic spruce]

You just said the main payoff

[potent pivot]

Trickster will do a bit better into full melee lobbies/teams

[unkempt viper]

Okay so one is more mobile the other does better into melee

[potent pivot]

Trickster just has a bit more cleave

[stoic spruce]

So if there's one melee, there's not as much value

[potent pivot]

So if you can hit an entire team a decent amount of the lobby it’ll do a bit more overall

[unkempt viper]

Okay that makes sense. Last question is if you guys have any imports I can run as a default while I learn?

[potent pivot]

Sure

Lemme get back to my pc, gimme a few min

[unkempt viper]

Weirdest thing is not having vigor in the builds I have found, so I gotta get used to the lack of energy

[potent pivot]

If you maintain you adrenaline rush uptime well it’s mostly a non issue

[stoic spruce]

Which, into double caster, is kinda hard

Oh god, mage/hunter.

[unkempt viper]

hopefully I can play against mage, it was my main for years in pvp pve everything

[potent pivot]

Make sure you give the talents a read

Especially underhanded upperhand

[stoic spruce]

Oh

Keep in mind, Outlaw is lacking a bit of kill pressure

[unkempt viper]

I'm familiar with PVE outlaw, I'm learning it still but I do have a basic grasp

[jaunty osprey]

POGGGGGG

[unkempt viper]

Yeah it seems like a much more sustained damage kinda melee dps

[potent pivot]

Ahh okay

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

It's almost 1:1 with few differences

[unkempt viper]

oh wig

[stoic spruce]

Which makes it easier to transition

[unkempt viper]

i play mage man, pve vs pvp mage is night and day borderline different specs

[grave basin]

ngl im pretty bummed out about the sv nerfs

way over nerfed tbh

just nerf the crit modifiers and not the baseline spell

[potent pivot]

Yeah I like when surv is decent

I hope mm stays the best spec tho ngl

I hate dealing with bm/surv on other classes

[stoic spruce]

Remember when outlaw hardcountered hunter in SL?

Good times

But surv and ol were equaled so you had to fight mana instead

God what a great expac

[grave basin]

remember when craven existed

good times

[stoic spruce]

God I miss gsw

[grave basin]

spear? craven

bleeds? craven

literally anything? craven

[stoic spruce]

Bored? Craven

[hidden moth]

whatrs craven

[stoic spruce]

An everything cleanse every 30 seconds

[grave basin]

somethings are better left to the history books

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[stoic spruce]

I miss flag

[grave basin]

it was 15seconds buddy for the first 3 seasons

[stoic spruce]

Damn

I knew it

Was hoping i was misremembering

[grave basin]

virus

mods

[hidden moth]

sec

[stoic spruce]

Keel heem!

[hidden moth]

i forgot i cant just

record on obs and send it

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

I miss GSW as well

[grave basin]

cursed

[stoic spruce]

And dreadblades

God that was peak outlaw

[grave basin]

i miss

C A N O N B A L L B A R R A G E

[stoic spruce]

Celerity

[grave basin]

imagine not saying canonball barrage

[potent pivot]

guys

[grave basin]

smh my head

[potent pivot]

vanish cdr for the cdr spec

plz

[stoic spruce]

:[

[potent pivot]

i will never understand the choices they make with talents

give sub shadowdust? then delete it? wtf

[grave basin]

balance around it then delete it then dont rebalance

brb 30 more seconds to next dance let me do 5k dps real quick

[stoic spruce]

Vanish on RB is relatively new for outlaw as well

[unkempt viper]

i just wanna press bte and see big crit

[grave basin]

no you will not get a good mastery to increase bte damage

you will get auto attacks and you will enjoy it

[stoic spruce]

And I want to press Pistol Shot and see big crits but they took that away from me

[unkempt viper]

i remember back in mop when someone tried teaching me combat rogue, and high mastery was required for burst i was told (pvp)

[sterile prairie]

Is supercharger what we doing for PvP? for outlw

[grave basin]

you mean RED BUFF REVEALING SHOT 9 SECOND KIDNEY KILLING SPREE

[unkempt viper]

yes

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[sterile prairie]

aight ty

[stoic spruce]

Should bring that back

In a more modern way

[potent pivot]

fatebound:
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMz2MzMjZMYmZYGGMjZmxMz02MmlZAAAAAAwyyMzgZmZWglxAAAAwMzAGMbzmZmZ0MzGzGLbTLsYA
trickster:
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMz2MzMjZMYmZYGGMjZmxMz02MmlZAAAAAAwyyMzgZmZWglxAAAAwMzAGMbzmZmZ0MzGzGLbTLsZA

[hidden moth]

how tf do i chance mkv to mp4 file

[grave basin]

https://www.freeconvert.com/mkv-to-mp4

1 second of google

[unkempt viper]

SUPER big question; Float like a Butterfly vs Sting like a Bee, is that a preference or a matter of comfort with the spec?

[stoic spruce]

Float most of the time

[unkempt viper]

got it

[severe helm]

isnt float like a butterfly gone bro?

[stoic spruce]

Why would it be gone?

[severe helm]

what was the name of the SS abilitiy

oh is that the evasion cd one?

[stoic spruce]

Enduring Brawler

Yeah

[severe helm]

aaaah my b

also yeah run sting like a bee

90% of the time

[potent pivot]

Meowth doesn't know his spec's talents

[severe helm]

float like a butterfly is only when you think youll need to press evasion more than once every 2 minutes

[severe helm]

lolol

[potent pivot]

i would mostly recommend float like a butterfly

[unkempt viper]

Other than that, pvp talents. Smoke Bomb, Turn the Tables, Preemptive?

[potent pivot]

sting like a bee for some coordinated 2s/3s prolly

[potent pivot]

yeah, TtT or Tricks pvp talent

[stoic spruce]

Bros running turn the tables

[potent pivot]

it's not bad ngl

[stoic spruce]

Instead of the giga chad boarding party

Yeah Tables isn't bad. Just meming

[hidden moth]

@potent pivot

[unkempt viper]

I did see a build with boarding party + drink up me hearties and that seemed neat for bgs or like. playing a melee comp

[hidden moth]

ignore the gf in the background

[grave basin]

playing with m+ weak aura package center of screen

ive seen this before

[stoic spruce]

Sounds like you're typing a thesis

[potent pivot]

?

[hidden moth]

u asked how dh was

so i gave u clip

[potent pivot]

ah

[stoic spruce]

No one who plays outlaw for real would ever suggest drink up

[potent pivot]

dev/sp dmg looking high

[grave basin]

bro you have 5 weak auras overlapping

at the top of your screen

[unkempt viper]

is it that bad

[stoic spruce]

I'd argue borderline useless

[unkempt viper]

ig that's fair it's super incidental healing

tf do i know i play disc priest man lmao

[stoic spruce]

Pad inconsequential healing

[stoic spruce]

How to press penance

[unkempt viper]

yeah

i press it well enough, i hit 2k despite never playing a healer in pvp before rofl

[stoic spruce]

Wtf is this garbage on my screen

[stoic spruce]

Boarding Party is fun though. Useful for some classes as well.

[hidden moth]

my 2nd 1800 set of the season thats waht lol

[stoic spruce]

On dh?

[hidden moth]

yeah got priest and dh so far

[unkempt viper]

I'll have to try it, I'm still learning outlaw and need gear and shit

goal is 1950 for the enchant AND elite set

[stoic spruce]

Sorry for your condition

[hidden moth]

only did dh 2nd bc conq gear is champ track and his ass was 610, friends wanted me to tasnk for them

[potent pivot]

@grave basin we gettin there. eventually

[hidden moth]

huge damage from the back stab

[sterile prairie]

Does death from above go crazy for dispatch or no

[potent pivot]

nah

[sterile prairie]

ahhhhhhhhh lame

[stoic spruce]

Dispatch damage is actually pretty lame already

[sterile prairie]

yeah thats true

[potent pivot]

none of outlaw's globals do massive dam

it's just good consistent dmg spamming 500k-1m globals

[sterile prairie]

my goblin rocket racial is op wdym

[stoic spruce]

No but relatively speaking, dispatch is not good

It's all in BtE and somehow GSW

[grave basin]

30min queue

healer leaves after losing 2 rounds

[hidden moth]

YES

THAT HAPPENED ALREADY

[grave basin]

i mean cmon

3 more cr

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[hidden moth]

gl

[grave basin]

what's after sp

maybe ww before nerfs kek

[potent pivot]

ww or hunter yeah

ww nerfs are quite small

i'm about to sim my character for the first time in like, 2 years 💀

[grave basin]

i used to be a melee main but i swear this expac is turning me into caster main

frost mage single handedly made me reroll

[stoic spruce]

I do this every now and then to remind me how much of a dps loss dropping crackshot is

(17%)

[potent pivot]

[unkempt viper]

My rule with simming is that if I’m within an acceptable amount (random value based on my mood) of DPS to the sim I’m doing okay!

Otherwise I’m garbage and should uninstall

[stoic spruce]

I try so hard to play the build I want but when we don't time keys because of lack of damage, I get pissed.

I physically cannot play casually anymore

[grave basin]

play assa

[stoic spruce]

No

[hidden moth]

assa is so good in keys

[grave basin]

[stoic spruce]

I know

[unkempt viper]

I simply get KSM and then RP for the rest of the season

[hidden moth]

aoe silence hella dam

[grave basin]

why play piano spec when dots do job

[stoic spruce]

Because I like grapple and rtb spam

[grave basin]

isnt KIR meta now

[hidden moth]

rtb?

[grave basin]

you arent spamming rtb

[gleaming pawn]

Outlaw would be peak m+ if crackshot/ace RNG wasn't pure cancer

[stoic spruce]

And I'm dumb enough to believe blizz will change outlaw into the way I want it to be

[stoic spruce]

No

[stoic spruce]

Roll the bones

[stoic spruce]

You know what I mean

[hidden moth]

had a ouytlaw shill in the assa channel a bit back malding about 5 yrd melee range and not 15 yrd like it was and their aoe hard caped at 8

[potent pivot]

HO is still decent in pve

[grave basin]

was watching ven play yestd and arcane seems INSANE

[gleaming pawn]

yeah you just have to ignore all but like 3 Outlaw players, the rest have problems

[hidden moth]

ignorinmg this outlaw player

he has problems

[stoic spruce]

What a contradiction

[gleaming pawn]

wut

I haven't played Outlaw since DF s2

[hidden moth]

oh nvm

not ignoring him

[lucid citrus]

what do you guys think about the new tuning?

[gleaming pawn]

I'm surpised we haven't seen more dooming

about win conditions, and losing them

[unkempt viper]

I’m paranoid that blizz is gonna make outlaw a support spec

[stoic spruce]

I don't technically mind this but why tie it to vanish man. Uptime for adr was already enough of a problem.

[stoic spruce]

Google "Psychiatry In My Area"

[unkempt viper]

I’m a psych major

Ever since I saw restless crew and then aug voker release I’ve been paranoid that it might happen

[gleaming pawn]

it wont

[stoic spruce]

Cursed rng within windows within windows

[gleaming pawn]

Aug has not been a popular spec

I doubt they will do another pure Support spec ever again

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/eroor-gif-27634078

[stoic spruce]

Real

[unkempt viper]

I’m mixed because I like support specs in other MMOs but idk how they can appropriately do it in wow until there’s more than one

[potent pivot]

Aug just makes things impossible to balance, especially for m+

[unkempt viper]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

either you take them in the "god comp" or you don't

and if you do, dps slots, which are already highly contested, become even moreso

[gleaming pawn]

as for changing Outlaw, the most outspoken of the Rogue players would literally have a meltdown if they were changed

that channel is a wasteland when even the smallest changes happen with Outlaw

[stoic spruce]

You seen what happened when outlaw got buffed

It's wild

[lucid citrus]

are these sub changes good?

[potent pivot]

even outright buffs and #outlaw descends into chaos and madness

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[unkempt viper]

Yeah I saw that first hand

[stoic spruce]

Much needed

[potent pivot]

zero way to know that until they're live, overall it won't change much. about the same as season 1

higher lows and lower highs

[stoic spruce]

I bet bucks

[lucid citrus]

hmm that is truee

[stoic spruce]

You still won't land kills outside dance

But outside dance won't be as bad

Probably won't feel good but still

[calm heath]

This season seems super bursty so far to anyone else?

[gleaming pawn]

it is, but also it's the start of the season and it's always bursty until more gear is got and more tuning is done

[stoic spruce]

It's half the fun but it's so cringe sometimes. Impossible to make anything positive.

[gleaming pawn]

I still can't believe Zac got demoted because of his absolutely crash out

[terse thicket]

For daggers for assa rogue, the same as S1? But with higher ilvl?

[gleaming pawn]

like it was deserved, but goddamn

[stoic spruce]

Which one?

Acro?

[potent pivot]

don't buy or craft conq weapon yet

[terse thicket]

Hum, why?

[potent pivot]

because we get free weapons week 3

and they added vers/mastery dagger to conquest vendor

buy or craft an HONOR level weapon

[hidden moth]

oh they added a new dagger

[potent pivot]

if you craft a conquest level weapon you are pissing away that conquest

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

^gear faq

[potent pivot]

yep

[gleaming pawn]

yeah think so, something around that time at least

[stoic spruce]

He may get kicked when they delete Crackshot at some point. These things come and go and idk if he's thought about that.

I doubt it'll be a spec staple

[terse thicket]

Okay

Thks

[sterile prairie]

sometimes i miss shadow step

[potent pivot]

gd i need a new pve weppy

still rocking a WQ wep

[grave basin]

yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[hidden moth]

ez

[grave basin]

5hr queues

sp is like the perfect shuff spec

too bad it's cancer to play in 2s

[hidden moth]

ques are so fuckin ass

ight do i gear both rogues now or wait

[potent pivot]

NOW

[hidden moth]

True

Then I gotta level the 3rd it’s lvl 70 already but eww dungeons

[potent pivot]

MoP timewalking next reset

probably gonna finish my last 3 non 80s

[hidden moth]

So Tuesday we got time walk in

[stoic spruce]

You'll be done by Tuesday if you just do the dungeons

[hidden moth]

Or

I gear the 2 lvl 80e I have now

And level the 3rd rogue later

Bc 3rd is on 2nd account so I can que both rogues in bgb at same time

[potent pivot]

oh

then just do it

[grave basin]

@potent pivot EZ

t11 unlocked

not a big gear check after all

[potent pivot]

i doubt i can even live a 9 rn

[potent pivot]

with my gear the elites were fuckin truckin my ass in the one bountiful 8 i did

[grave basin]

back pack transmog

[potent pivot]

i got some 639 boots from it

and a 636 helm from my first m0

might have to equip the higher ilvl shit and break my s1 pvp tier set just to live more

[gleaming pawn]

are you playing sub so you can at least perma keep Brann tricks?

[grave basin]

yea youre supposed to

im just equipping random pve stuff i get from delves

[potent pivot]

well the s1 pvp tier sims higher

not a crazy amount though so it'll be fine

[grave basin]

i got a 649 wep

[potent pivot]

it's like +10 ilvl if i break it

[grave basin]

639

[potent pivot]

i need a weppy so bad

i'm rocking a WQ wep

[potent pivot]

nah i was playing sin

[grave basin]

play with this curio if you have it

[potent pivot]

brann was almost dead even w/o tricksing him

[grave basin]

look at how much it pumps lol

[potent pivot]

i think i may have gotten that one

[grave basin]

i didnt even realise the devilsaur did that much dam

[potent pivot]

i'll probably do trickster sub for the rest of em

i played it for the m0

easily doubled everyone else's dps

was a group full of rats

[gleaming pawn]

trickster sub made the s1 +8s super easy, so I would assume it will be much the same now

[potent pivot]

yeah prolly

i've just been running healer brann and throwing random curios on

[grave basin]

t11 gives 7 gilded twice a week

[potent pivot]

also i got one of those wave2000s as a drop

no idea what to do with it though

[grave basin]

use it on a +7 and above

[potent pivot]

oh damn only twice a week?

[grave basin]

it spawns underpin

you just die to him ngl

then run back to where you died

theres a treasure map

use map then complete thedelve

[potent pivot]

oh so is that another way to get one of the maps

[grave basin]

you get bonus gilded crests + item

yea 2x t11 delves + 1x map

for 30 gilded a week

[potent pivot]

and there's no reason to do it higher than a 7?

[grave basin]

higher delve higher ilvl drop

[potent pivot]

so it'd be better to do use the wave2000 on a higher level?

i gotta rewatch the guide i checked out last night

[grave basin]

1x map 2xt11

Then fill the rest of vault with t8

That's all you gotta do

[potent pivot]

[hybrid palm]

Sub is the new rot spec ?

[potent pivot]

Sub’s rupture has done more than sin’s for a long time now

[grave basin]

Tbh it's quite a big time commitment

I might do all this when I'm done with 1800 sets

[hybrid palm]

Now we rot with backstab 😄

[potent pivot]

What? The delve chores?

[grave basin]

Get 4x keys then 4x bountiful 11s then 4x more 8s

[potent pivot]

If I was only doing it for transmogs I’d probably do it later on in the season too

[grave basin]

Shuffle DPS queues is killing me

[potent pivot]

Are you sure that you can get mythic sets from them btw?

[grave basin]

Yes lol

[potent pivot]

Coulda sworn delve vault only drops hero track

[grave basin]

Get hero track and upgrade to 5/6

They changed it this season

[potent pivot]

Oh so hero track turns into mythic

Appearance I mean

[grave basin]

Yea get 649 from the map drop and vault

So you get 2 chances a week for hero track

[potent pivot]

Gotcha gotcha

[grave basin]

Ive been so busy doing delve shit I haven't queued a single shuffle on main

[potent pivot]

Man it’s gonna take me a while just to get my hunter even ready to do higher levels

It’s barely 600 PvE ilvl

[grave basin]

I mean I'm doing t11s with 610

Delve is ez with hunter

[potent pivot]

Tf

[grave basin]

Tank pet and misdirect bran

If you die then skill issue

Use aoe builds for most of the delve

Once you get to end boss, switch to ST build

Can't die

[potent pivot]

Word

You doing em as surv?

[grave basin]

Yes

Also t10 and t11 don't actually scale that much higher

They change mechanics of the whole delve

But the difficulty is around t9

(of the mobs)

[severe helm]

What ilvl are you now @potent pivot for pve

[potent pivot]

like 624 bud

we slummin it out here

i'll probably be caught up next reset

[stoic spruce]

Got the rest of the season

Me personally imma chillax

Not even pvp. Just let inflation do the work for me.

[grave basin]

it's pretty good rn

top players are already 2.5k

[glass hazel]

i'll probably skip this week 😄 dont want to fight with r1

[gusty hedge]

same as i was thinking need to get honor gear for 6 more rogues

[dapper chasm]

Opposite issue for me, I find it way easier to play with top players

I took a day off and now I'm back to people fucking with my DRs on fucking cooldown

I think it's actually the only reason ass seems strong to people, it can perform better in a vacuum game state

[grave basin]

Had a game just now with an uh DK with auto gnaw

[karmic summit]

yes

[grave basin]

Told him to turn it off and "sorry I don't have it macros*

Macrod

Like what

Just turn it off

[dapper chasm]

You also get more ranged outside hunter at higher skill levels

And guess who sub turns to Swiss cheese?

[stoic spruce]

Dk

[dark kernel]

so my alt rogue just didnt get heraldries

like none

[stoic spruce]

My bad big dawg (/cast Asphyxiate)

Sorry it just happens ig

(Turns auto gnaw on)

Idk how it happens tbh

[terse thicket]

@potent pivot Its not worth it to craft rings and amulet either?

[dapper chasm]

Don't worry, bro - my 2 second Blind will save us

[somber plank]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

rings and neck are fine yes

[dark kernel]

Hey. Do you know anything about heraldry quest bug

[potent pivot]

nop

[dark kernel]

I won 2 shuffles, multiple BGs, some skirns and no quest.

[potent pivot]

you have to get a box from winning

the chest you get in your inv

afaik

but the quest should just pop up whenever you do get one

[surreal ravine]

not blitz ?

[potent pivot]

any rated

[surreal ravine]

havent got it

[potent pivot]

check your bags

[surreal ravine]

ahh thanks, got it now lol @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

[glass hazel]

haha happens sometimes

[twilit swan]

im so ass at sub

i cant do shit lmao

i feel like im always cc'd and just dog water

(im not a good pvper btw)

[surreal ravine]

is sub still viable, they removed 2 pvp talents

what is blizzard thinking

how is a rogue a rogue without shadowduel

just tell rogues to go play hunter, its basically the exact same now

i use vanish to enable crit attack

[potent pivot]

vanish is mostly defensive and for cc yes

symbols is mostly used with dance yes

holding dances for blades is just situational

[twilit swan]

How do I know what embellishment to use

[stoic spruce]

Yes

[potent pivot]

it depends

[twilit swan]

trying to craft a necklace

[stoic spruce]

"This is a great idea"

[potent pivot]

focusing lens x2

[twilit swan]

how do you put 2 ?

[stoic spruce]

Infinite CC relative to other classes

[potent pivot]

well yeah ofc

[stoic spruce]

Hunters actually get patch notes so no they're not the same

[potent pivot]

thought you meant holding for 2 charges

[potent pivot]

on 2 different pieces

with the rotation you wrote you aren't lining up finality with darkest night

probably not even worth learning at this point

once tuesday hits it may not even be a thing anymore

right now you need to rupture

tech->rupture->evis->evis

this lines up a finality evis with darkest night evis

[twilit swan]

@potent pivot

still better to craft weps over jewlery right ?

jw bc the honor daggers don't have mastery

[stoic spruce]

nooo dont craft weps

[twilit swan]

ok ok ok

i did the algari necklace

and then 2 rings right ?

[stoic spruce]

the conq dags have mast so its okay

should be fine

thats what I myself am doing

[potent pivot]

no

you can craft honor level weapons if you really want to

just depends how much gold you care to spend on something you'll use for 2 weeks max

[twilit swan]

ah ok

but the jewlery is forever

sorry ictually meant the reverse

when i typed that out

[potent pivot]

ahh

[potent pivot]

ye

just make sure u put

focusing lens

on 2 of whatever u craft

[twilit swan]

ok so i did it on my neck

and ring

so is it that you can only have 2 embellishments total or 2 of the same

[potent pivot]

total

make sure u get a socket asap as well

so you can socket a stat gem to proc the Lens

[quaint cedar]

What are we doing for 2 piece? 1 converted from a conquest piece and 1 converted from a wpvp piece?

[twilit swan]

wait since its crafted

can i socket it afterwards

or it had to be before ?

waitjk

[quaint cedar]

You can socket whenever. If you recraft it keeps the sockets, unless they are from last season

[potent pivot]

conquest chest and conquest shoulders

or wait

outlaw?

[dark kernel]

this has been fixed

[quaint cedar]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

conq helm/gloves

for law

[quaint cedar]

You can buy both as conquest this week?

[potent pivot]

read his message again

[quaint cedar]

Sorry for dumb questions I'm behind

[potent pivot]

should be able to iirc

[quaint cedar]

Cool, thanks Tricks

[potent pivot]

you can socket it afterwards yes

[twilit swan]

GAH DAMN

thats a lot of honor

[potent pivot]

yep

you can buy the vicious bloodstones off the AH

[spring bough]

daily post of

outlaw >>>>>>

[dark kernel]

no heraldry quest

im actually locked out of getting my rings

im going to crash out

[potent pivot]

just put in a ticket

and make sure you didn't put them in your bank or vendor on accident or something, idk

np, just keep in mind a lot is changing next reset soooo anything could go out the window

[twilit swan]

I should be using the mastery mace in the offhand right ?

dagger main

[potent pivot]

no

no

no

no

[twilit swan]

😮

[potent pivot]

sub needs 2 daggers

[stoic spruce]

3 if possible

[spring bough]

me and some arms war went DK

and cleave killed the DH

LMFAOOOO

[dark kernel]

I did. And I for sure don't have it.

[dark kernel]

Always use daggers now. Subs new secret technique passive benefits greatly

[spring bough]

2183 we pushing today boys

4-2 first game of the day not bad

an outlaw, arms, and ret walk into a bar and see a destro lock..... rough times for him ahead. and on black rook

[twilit swan]

ty ty

hopefully i can hit 1600

my record rn is not too hot lolol

[twilit swan]

look like im doing this right ?

[grave basin]

please tell me that alt 9 bind is on your mouse somehow

[twilit swan]

yea lol

[spring bough]

looks naked lmao

my KS avg is up to 2.38mil a cast lol

[dark kernel]

outlaw is proving to be just as infuriating as SUB

every single match it's insta stun on opener into shit like war fear, trap

[spring bough]

were u the sub rogue i just wrecked at ruins lololol

[dark kernel]

adren rush burned out before I touch an enemy

nah

i dont understand how you are playing the game out of the gate

[spring bough]

outlaw feels like it puts constant pressure on everything lol

[dark kernel]

because im in 100% CC the moment im out

[gleaming sentinel]

Trickster feels good in shuffle I just had a shit first lobby

[dark kernel]

I always see people play and they just pump

[spring bough]

yeah def times where CC is unbearable

just gotta wait it out

[dark kernel]

how are you guys not just getting controlled

every single game 100% of CC is on me

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I played bad too

[dark kernel]

do you just delay opening and let the fight start?

[spring bough]

i usually open first lol

[dark kernel]

its easy to get dps trinkets on opener

[spring bough]

damn ive already got 18 gilded crests from pvpin so far. stocking up to get this mythic recolor

[gleaming sentinel]

Sucks you can’t get em in blitz

[spring bough]

yeah idk why they didnt update it to add them

[dark kernel]

so

i just found that ele shamans have a stun thats LOS?

not sure what it was maybe a totem, but it wasnt cap totem

[dark kernel]

you seem pretty new, is that true?

[ionic orbit]

I just got to 80 about 2 weeks ago. I have season 2 honor gear but only 1 piece of season 2 conquest gear

[dark kernel]

what I mean is, what is your experience playing Sub rogue long term

Sub damage is ass long term, its good in small bursts

its always lower

[ionic orbit]

I leveled from 1-80 as sublety.

[ionic orbit]

I was wondering if it was common for sub to be lower in dps for arena. But aren't I basically useless if my dps is 2-4 times lower in arena? Is sub better suited for bgs rather than arena?

[dark kernel]

kind of. Sub plays completely different with different win conditions than most specs

your job is to help CC and do purposeful damage when your Cooldowns are up

[dreamy mason]

New to Rogue - is it important to have focus macros for all your CC? 🤔

I seem to be running out of keybinds .. 😅

[spring bough]

ww is broken

[indigo hill]

WW and MM are broken atm. Ret is also broken but more in a doesn't work anymore kinda way.

[dapper chasm]

Just had a shuffle round with a DK

The guy let me do a full stun-blind-sap on the healer

A healer within grip range

Guys, I think he was the chosen one

[grave basin]

where is rupture

[ionic orbit]

I add that after my opening rotation when I'm chasing the healer around

[grave basin]

should rupture the opener too

adds alot of dps

friends

theres TWO 500 bloody token quests up on NA

go cap your alts

[hybrid palm]

don't use flagellation in pvp, it's useless

[spring bough]

for any alts there are two 500 bloody token WQs up

one on isle and the other in hallowfall

cant decide. DH or BM for first alt

[grave basin]

of course i play mm cause it loks fun

and all iget are melee lobbies non stop

[spring bough]

DH is actually wild

im in season 1 gear went to bloody token quest and KOd like 5 people before i died

[mystic pasture]

How is sub looking after those burst nerfs?

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pvp-class-tuning-incoming-march-11/2072472

[pastel burrow]

ideally it works out to be a positive, tying all of sub's damage to a shit ton of modifiers is just kinda wack

putting more power into the abilities themselves is a move in the right direction even if sub comes out weaker for now (i doubt it, its sub)

[ionic orbit]

noted. maybe I'll take off flagellation and use the talent point to get gloomblade

Wait how long until we can get more conquest points? I've only bought 1 piece of conquest gear so far and I'm already capped??

[vocal surge]

Its weekly

[jolly sierra]

ur pfp dood wtf

[vocal surge]

🙂

[jolly sierra]

here we have among us nuggets lol

[ionic orbit]

thanks. they should put weekly than and not season maximum lol.

For sub pvp, you think I should go for cold blood or other bottom talent(s)? currently I'm on the thistle tea for the mastery bonus mostly

[ionic orbit]

they reset it Sunday?

[vocal surge]

Tuesday it increases

[vocal surge]

Gonna use that 1 day

[hollow sundial]

Drop tea and get super charger, been hitting alot of 3mil eviscerates

[grave basin]

why do people say theres a mastery dagger?

all i see is the crit one

wtf

[gleaming sentinel]

I think there’s a conquest one

[dapper chasm]

Was a loss, but look what the hunters have to do to emulate a fraction of Sub's power

Sub might just be too OP this season

The damage, the maneuverability, the style

[indigo hill]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/xavius/shouzo

Guess someone is done gearing.

[dapper chasm]

How?

[indigo hill]

Bug abuse with faction change. The max amount for the week resets but the conquest you've earned stays.

Also the 3 day cooldown on faction changing didnt work.

[dapper chasm]

Isn't this a pretty clear case of insta-bannu then?

[indigo hill]

You'd think but nope

[dapper chasm]

But it seems like pretty clear abuse

Plus, even if they don't get banned for some reason, surely it will get reversed

There's charities out there if the money was burning a hole in that guy's pocket

[jolly sierra]

go in, they tastes good lol

[spring bough]

i like how the undermine raid is the zone

made it ez for them lmaoo

[ionic orbit]

Dude how the heck do you get that high damage running sub?

[dapper chasm]

I press the right buttons at the right time while aiming at the right faces

Sub is a monster

[ionic orbit]

What are your enhancement percentages? I'm currently at 46% mastery, 21% versatility, 15% critical strike. I've been wondering if I should prioritize something else like agility?

[pale storm]

What spec are you running Zan?

Build*

[dapper chasm]

For BGs, but I drop blackjack for Tricks of the Trade in shuffle

[formal pebble]

Why is it always someone with sub 30% winrate tryharding for the faction change resets lmao

Like the problem is not the gear my guy, pick up a guide

[severe helm]

Not too far behind me haha

[severe helm]

Do you run the tricks talent that often?

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, it's sick

That framesort addon makes it a breeze

Just @otherdps

[halcyon timber]

Def is and the devs will take action just like last season

[halcyon timber]

Should have gone this road a long time ago. The legion nonsense started it.

[spring bough]

i just realized if we get tier in raid we can buy that conq item to make it 678 in pvp

def getting tier from raid today somehow someway for four set lol

[pastel burrow]

100%

[broken otter]

Nahj mentioned the "Kalvish" build for Sub in reference to what to play on Tuesday. Does somebody have that build?

Kalvish has like 8 presets on his armory

[halcyon timber]

Its just tea + forced induction + finality etc and going deeper daggers. All eviscerate focused etc

[halcyon timber]

Definitely prefer if sinister calling came back etc across the game which is kinda what they did here. Good move so we can stop yo yo’ing

[pastel burrow]

aging me 30 years by reminding me of sinister calling

that'd be kinda sick actually

[twilit swan]

is there anything good about trickster on sub ?

what is rhe main diff

[gusty hedge]

I went from almost full hp to insta dead? whats this ?

[vocal surge]

Off target damage hitting ya for 20% of the damage dealt

It looks like he probably hit a critter after marking you

Wounded Quarray (Aldrachi Reaver Hero Tree)
Expose weaknesses in the target of your Reaver's Mark, causing your Physical damage to any enemy to also deal 20% of the damage dealt to your marked target as Chaos, and sometimes shatter a Lesser Soul Fragment.

[halcyon timber]

Fazed is kind of like old hemo without adding another button and the windows focus on those hateful generators which I love. Coup De Grace is a big eviscerate comparable to how deathstalkers do their thing. It is a personal preference

Play what you like and find what suits your style in the end of the day.

[jolly sierra]

what the fuck

[broken otter]

How required is Night Elf for Assassination, if I only plan on playing Blitz and not any arenas?

Kinda dead set on playing Undead.

[jolly sierra]

how much do you wanna aim in rating?

[broken otter]

1800 for starters. I wanna grab 2.4k but I'll prolly end up going for that on my Mage.

But like I don't want to be uber gimped by not having meld if it's that big of a deal

[jolly sierra]

i feel than it starts to blur out when you are into 2k1+

behind that you can go w anything

after that too, but being NE eases stuff a lot

[broken otter]

Word.

Maybe I'll stick Sub for now.

I really wish they'd just remove racials from PvP :\

[jolly sierra]

same dude

that is the true solution

ppl should play the race than they wants instead to take advantage from other ones xd

[broken otter]

Yupp

It's so lame that I'm gimped by playing the race I want

Also that there's like more Night Elf players than the entire Horde population

[dreamy mason]

Anyone?

[wary thistle]

The extra fear break comes in clutch sometimes tbh

[hidden moth]

they ran myu healers fade in 20 seconds

bro

no shot

3rd round im with the rdruid who is getting insta killed

mans gonna leave and i lose rating

nvm carried rdruid a game and won rest

[mystic pasture]

I will be the highest rated LF draenei rogue on the blitz ladder

[hidden moth]

shits nasty @potent pivot

casted aimed into a instant cast aimed kjdsalfjklasdjf

[jolly sierra]

i wanna play pandaren freely knowing racials are disabled

[fathom moss]

So does 1600 stil give tier?

[hidden moth]

gives u a 2nd catalyst charge

so u gotta buy 2 conq pieces hit 1600 then get 2 set

[vocal surge]

Nathanos having an identity crisis lol

[potent pivot]

let me guess.. out in the open world? its just a bug

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure he’s referring to the rupture and gloomblade build

[potent pivot]

^

[potent pivot]

You always prioritize agility over everything, but not to the point that you’re running terrible secondaries

[broken otter]

Do you have a link to the build, please? I'm having a hard time finding it, and I'm not anywhere near comfortable enough with the layout/names of the Rogue talents to understand what it is just by hearing a few talent names.

CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MAAAAAAMbjxy0gFegZYMGzMzMzMzYWGzYssMMDzMGjZWGDAAAAzwMsYWGYALglhJkZBG

This is the one I put together as best I could

Not that I made it myself. Just that I looked up a bunch of top rogues and kinda pieced it out best I could manage

[potent pivot]

Why not just wait for next reset and see if anyone actually changes to it?

[broken otter]

Fair

I just picked up my Rogue tonight and needed something to play

Figured I'd get used to the build to get the jump on it

[potent pivot]

The build doesn’t really change anything

The only real difference is you’ll likely be upkeeping rupture pad damage on everyone

[broken otter]

Word

[potent pivot]

Other than that sub never changes from strike->evis

[broken otter]

Lets say I'm getting ready for a dance mini burst

what order do I press symbols/tea and such in?

[potent pivot]

As long as you consume Premed properly the rest barely matters

[broken otter]

So like Dance -> Strike to consume premed?

[potent pivot]

No

[potent pivot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WAVWeKeyYMk?si=LHLRcpvELx-jA8Ro

Ignore The First Dance and Sepsis, one of them was changed and the other was removed

[broken otter]

Okay

Watching it now

Thank you :D

[potent pivot]

The main point is to dance and get rupture off before pressing the rest of your stuff, then sec tech into evis->evis

[fathom moss]

Sick, i've got my second conquest piece. Crate farms got me capped on bloody tokens/conquest in 2-3hrs. What sucks is im bad, hate shuffle, and 2v2 is sweaty asf now lmao.

[potent pivot]

But premed gives full combo points on your first generator after breaking stealth basically so you don’t want to dance before utilizing that

[broken otter]

Okay

Gonna go to the dummies and play around a bit

I think he's playing with subterfuge in that video

[potent pivot]

Yeh a few more bountiful delves and some +2s etc and I should caught up

[broken otter]

The build I got from them doesnt have sub anymore

Cause I can't Strike -> Rup -> Strike -> Dance

[potent pivot]

You can still play subterfuge rn

Nahj does as well into some comps

Especially into dragons to clear their nullifying shroud

[broken otter]

Do you give up the tea branch or the frced induction branch to get it?

[potent pivot]

But you’d just press dance a global earlier, not that hard

[broken otter]

Word

[potent pivot]

Tea

[broken otter]

Okay

[potent pivot]

You never drop supercharger or deeper strat

[broken otter]

Yeah I think I'm gonna do that. I've been doing some epic BGs and not having subterfuge has been painful for me

Worth noting I don't ever plan to play arenas. I just aim to blitz

[potent pivot]

Imo you aren’t forced to run Tea for extra damage, Subt is more than fine

Especially in lower/mid range content

[broken otter]

Cool

Thank you for the help. I really appreciate you ELI5 haha

[potent pivot]

npnp

[hidden moth]

killing myself

[potent pivot]

re q

[hidden moth]

melted the druid

god that shaman was fuckin cheecks though 4-2 bc was able to carry shaman 1 fuckin round

pres ewnt 5-1

[quaint stream]

Hey guys, the tier-set gear for sub-rogue gives no versatility (except for the chest piece). Is it worth it to convert the conquest gear to tier-set gear for pvp content? (i.e. you gain set-bonus but you lose a lot of versatility).

This season set bonus seems to rely on ramp-up time (not good for sub in pvp?)

[potent pivot]

this week you catalyst chest/shoulders

we don't care about vers as much as we care about mastery

last season we ran a lot of crafted gear, trading vers for more mastery

as long as we have ~20-25% vers when fully geared we're fine

[quaint stream]

Tough…I want to save my catalyst charges for hero track pve-gear (and use the new item that allows pve-gear to scale in pvp also)

[potent pivot]

thats gonna be rough

because atm the only pieces we're sure we're using in pvp are chest/shoulders

but if you're patient enough, fuck it

not using the 2p isn't going to put you behind

[quaint stream]

I’ll wait until Tuesday-reset and see how lucky I get with the hero-track gear

[halcyon timber]

Forever a gloomblader. Gotcha man. Thought he was referring to the crud nahj keeps squawking about.

[potent pivot]

Yeah the “Kalvish build” Nahj refers to I think is gloom/replicating/dark brew shit

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much

[potent pivot]

The build kalv came up with in DF iirc

[halcyon timber]

Many variations

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[halcyon timber]

I dig choice

We will be fine. The dooming is unnecessary.

[sour coral]

Im drawing a blank, didnt the fire watchers oath used to make you hostile to both factions?

Asking for uh, reasons.

[hidden moth]

https://youtu.be/bWnBA9iewX4?si=cCRO4swNhFi5n0S8

tf is this

doi people actually buy into this cabal bs

[sour coral]

https://tenor.com/view/tinfoil-hat-gif-19189292

[stoic spruce]

I choose to believe not because of the statements given, but because it is funny.

[potent pivot]

having friends is necessary to get r1???????? this new information is crazy !!!!!!

[sour coral]

Win trading isnt unheard of in games though, Gw2 had a huge issue with it

[potent pivot]

yeah this isn't about win trading though

there's definitely win trading issues in wow pvp, this is just a meme

[sour coral]

ill be honest i just looked at the preview and title

[potent pivot]

yeah, its just jokes

[stoic spruce]

We should just believe it

[potent pivot]

people started calling some of the top players a cabal because they help their friends get r1 title

[sour coral]

but yeah anyone know why my fire watcher oath isnt making me hostile to both factions? I thought that was a thing with it

[potent pivot]

but these guys have mostly played together for years

no idea

[sour coral]

ah im a silly

Censer of Eternal Agony is what I was thinking of

[spring bough]

think its a blitz day

1725 already lmaoo

off 6-2

[unborn compass]

Is fatebound any good for PvP? or is it really just preference at that point?

[stoic spruce]

It's more preferred

Trickster is more cleave though

So into double melee

[potent pivot]

depends on spec

[stoic spruce]

Oh wait for assa?

[potent pivot]

[unborn compass]

assa yeah, mb for not specifying

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I just caught that lol

[unborn compass]

lmao

[potent pivot]

assa prefers deathstalker

more dmg, more defensive

if you are new

to the spec/class

you could play fatebound while you learn

deathstalker requires you to be able to utilize your Marks

[stoic spruce]

We never talk about fatebound assa so I just assumed he meant outlaw lol

[potent pivot]

if you can't do that, you're wasting a lot of the dmg

[spring bough]

delves are so easy as trickster lol

brann healer and infinite tricks of trade

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think I’m gonna knock out the rest of mine tonight as sub trickster

[stoic spruce]

Hey buddy

Did you just start TWW?

[potent pivot]

3 bountiful 8s and then whatever I can push after that for max vault

[stoic spruce]

Trickz

Guess what

[potent pivot]

Do 11s have to be bountiful to drop gilded crests

What

[stoic spruce]

Chicken Butt

LMAOOO

Gottem

[potent pivot]

!up

[lethal roost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[potent pivot]

Shit is so convoluted I stg

[twilit swan]

im having fun but god these ques are too long

[grave basin]

yes but you dont need a key

it drops in a chest on its own

[potent pivot]

welp

[grave basin]

you can see the gilded chest reward before you spawn into the delve

[potent pivot]