pvp

[twilit swan]

im doin swomething wrong

[silent umbra]

Still confused on crafting … can you recraft your s1 pieces using the new heraldries? To keep enchantments? Does it even matter?

[potent pivot]

pretty sure enchants stay still

they just fixed the sockets staying

[stoic lava]

oh so sockest sticking wasnt intended?

[potent pivot]

apparently not

should've rushed my recrafts on everything

[safe pelican]

A man of the culture i see , also been playing Rivals shit is visual crack lil burnt out ready for WoW again lol

[safe pelican]

Took for fucking ever to get fully socketed with only blitz glad they fixed that

If I resub this weekend I’m playing MM fuck you pesky rogues * laughs in aimed shot into rapid fire *

[potent pivot]

Why would you be glad

[stoic spruce]

The best part about a spec like MM being OP are the fotm rerollers

[dreamy mason]

Anyone here using the addon "Diminish (DR Tracker)" by Wardz?

[worthy crag]

MM being op is more favorable to rogues though

than say arms

I think dev is pretty damn busted too

[untold remnant]

Dev might be more 😂 sub rogue is tied to shadow dance, outlaw and assa to vanish. Meanwhile Dev has permanent insane ticking Disintegrates. While being untouchable when they start hovering

[dreamy mason]

Anyone? It seems bugged. But I dont know if its just me .. Perhaps someone know of another addon/wa that does pretty much the same?

[potent pivot]

diminish always has issues, not sure if anyone even upkeeps it anymore

just use Gladius

Gladius (Bicmex version) is usually updated very quickly

[slender barn]

is demon hunter just completely insane at the moment

[grave basin]

@potent pivot the slide street delve is insane to unlock

The last boss basically has no hp

[potent pivot]

The sluice one?

Did that one earlier

[grave basin]

Yea

I'm up to t7

[potent pivot]

My UI hid the action button for some fucking reason

[grave basin]

Then daughter came home

[potent pivot]

It was so bad

[potent pivot]

I think the fungal one outside of dorn is the fastest for leveling up

But that side street one is prolly better for harder levels

do you know

if there's a way to check how many weekly boxes you've opened on a character

[grave basin]

The macro I sent

If you have 4x true then you've opened atleast 4

[potent pivot]

oh ok, thought that was for something else. dope.

[runic laurel]

if i dont mind the extra time/gold do you think its better to have one rogue for outlaw and one rogue for sub/assa early season? kinda hard to wrap my mind around how id gear for both on one char and have an optimal setup before uncapped conquest happens

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

It's recommended for sure

The stat requirements are so vast

[runic laurel]

do you think with full build outlaw would wear conq or crafted rings? ig question is whether vers>crit even going into the 10% dr

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw typically goes into heavy vers dr

Especially with the new haste cap

[runic laurel]

alright ty

i dont think trill will have a rogue geared til after rwf and whaaz is playing kir still so didnt know who to copy

oh jk dazed has some chars with gear he just hasnt played them enough to show up on murlok

[stoic spruce]

I'd expect the 10% DR to get higher next season btw

[grave basin]

btw at the start of every delve, bran drops this campfire

make sure to click it and wait 10seconds

free 5% agi buff

[severe helm]

will have to wait and see tbh but vers is still best into the 30s. In DF it was still better even past 40% so wouldnt be surprised if thats also true but not sure we get to 40% this season

so youre safe to prio vers still this season

some things might change crits value in pvp specifically if trickster becomes the meta spec cuz it values it more

but even then vers is still likely better

[runic laurel]

cool thx for the info

[normal zealot]

im currently using smokebomb+hemotoxin+disarm as a sin rogue in solo shuffles. What other pvp talent is currently viable when switching out disarm?

[grave basin]

@potent pivot

these small thingies can contain the map you want

1x loot a week for free ilvl 640++ ilvl

[fallen scaffold]

wut font is that on your ui^

whats up with delves rn? do they reward something to help gear in pvp?

[verbal field]

should be sui addon

[fallen scaffold]

just teh default sui font?

on the action bars i mean

nvm im high loooks just like mine rofl

V

[verbal field]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-kiss-rick-and-morty-kiss-rick-and-morty-mua-rick-mua-kiss-gif-22732218

[fallen scaffold]

ive been out of looop since start of s1, so were just recrafting all our s1 gear with the new heralds ? everything else is teh same

[glass hazel]

/cry

so wep tokens next week?

same 2500?

[glass hazel]

Yeah found achievement, same 🙂

[safe pelican]

Was sleep brother but wym , i interpreted this an in if you recraft the s1 gear with s2 stuff , you keep the sockets after the craft instead of having the resocket them an grind the honor and pay for gems

[dark kernel]

Re crafting removes sockets again

[safe pelican]

Oh i had it backwards okay

[next mountain]

noooo

[dark kernel]

Seems it was hot fixed yesterday's

[safe pelican]

That’s dumb af

[next mountain]

fuckkkk

i was too slow to start this season 😦

[dark kernel]

They aren't rolling back items but it won't work moving forward

[safe pelican]

GG in the chat to those that made out before the hotfix

[pliant spoke]

Gushing wound from bfa coming back as an enchant as well as infinite stars and a few others. Found in horrific visions when it rereleased 😁

Very curious how this will play out in pvp compared to what we use now

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bfa-corruption-effects-return-as-new-enchants-in-patch-11-1-5-375650#comments

[fallen scaffold]

so still worth to recraft our crafted rings and ammys and boots with honor heralds?

[pliant spoke]

Yup. But just win one bg and you will get 9 of the epic heraldry and you can craft neck and rings

[dark kernel]

Bfa 2 unreal

[next mountain]

I feel like it isn't worth doing that with the gem fix... would rather save the artisan dust for s3

[fallen scaffold]

ohhh foregot abotu the 9 epics

thats the play, craft allt he jewelry? no wep rightr

cause wwe get free weps agin

[next mountain]

I think the play is: use earned conquest to buy 1/4 set piece, then get 1600cr to get a 2nd set piece, then use the 9 for jewelry

[fallen scaffold]

word

[spring bough]

Is every outlaw trickster for PvP now?

Feels like I’ve seen 100x more in the last few days than all of last season

[dark kernel]

Yeah I switched

After I realized outlaw is doing 400k more single target under best circumseances

You were right the KS damage is insane

[spring bough]

Top 3 outlaws in shuffle are trickster. Love to see it 🙌

[spring bough]

KS minimum 2 mill every time if it doesn’t get CCd

[dark kernel]

Question for you

[spring bough]

In fact more tricksters than fate on murlok currently. Love to see that

[dark kernel]

So you reroll every CD and if you have KS and vanish coming off CD which do you prio

Id estimate prior vanish if AR is ticking down and KS else.

[spring bough]

I don’t reroll every time bones is up. Depends on what buffs I have. I use a WA for reroll and it’s pretty accurate for when the best time to do it is

[spring bough]

If I have both coming off. I’ll KS before I go into a vanish crack window so I can get unseen blade procs and more fazed on the target for my crack window

[dark kernel]

Could you DM that wa?

And bless

I did outlaw to Duelist in DF s3 so I. Rusty

[spring bough]

I sent it. He still testing it for KIR but it’s pretty good even tho it’s not fully perfect yet

[dark kernel]

Word. I don't know if I'ma try KIR yet because I'm not that good, but I'm interested. I think with 4 PC KIR will be BIS for sure

[scarlet plank]

the saddest part about trickster is losing the extra grappling hook 😦

[rustic isle]

Is there a guide or something that can tell me how to gear? I'm so lost and the couple guides I've seen aren't helping me understand

So you can only embelish crafted gear and you need sparks to upgrade conq gear into pvp tier?

[spring bough]

Coup used to make up for it and now it doesn’t 😭

[spring bough]

Trickz has some stuff in the pins

[rustic isle]

Those pins seems to be more for people who understand wtf is going on, I don't know what a heraldry is or why I'd craft gear instead of just honor grinding and then buying conq pieces as I can go

I'm literally dumb af

[dark kernel]

I honestly only feel it super bad vs mages, but it did eliminate being able to play pseudo like sub rogue with CC

Grapple kidney grapple back vanish CS crack shot window

[slender bay]

Someone know if its trolling to use a mace in the off-hand as an Assa?

Or u need daggers for mutilate? I cant remember xd

(I want mace for tmog reasons xd)

[dark kernel]

You need dags

[spring bough]

I love trickster outlaw

[halcyon timber]

Trickster all day everyday since alpha

Play what you want boys, just be good at it

[spring bough]

I do the same build for both when I do play fate. KS is more prio with trickster and with fate it’s more of a cc break or a filler move.

I have ghostly macro’d to pretty much everything. Sinister, bte, dispatch, pistol. I try to maximize its uptime

RTB supercharges finishers. But you don’t wanna roll when you have good buffs depending on the # / which ones. KS is pretty much use off CD with trickster and with fate I’d use it if everything else is down

I try to keep flurry up 100% I don’t worry about it breaking CC but I’m sure I’m the minority on that one. Some people use cancel macros for flurry

Beginning of match. I flurry. Stealth. Adrenaline. Bones. Sap one. Open kidney another. Go into my first crack window. Sometimes I press KS before it other times I hit it after. And then I go into my next two crack windows back to back and the rinse repeat

Bones reroll I usually rely on the WA. To know when to reroll when you have 3-5 buffs and when it’s okay to reroll so you don’t lose any. Cause sometimes you can reroll with 3-5 and you don’t keep them and wanna avoid that

Other times you can have 5, reroll, and you keep the 5

With 4 set we are gonna have like a 12% plus chance to roll 5 buffs. We are going to be swimming in them. 45% chance or so for two. Going to be freaking nuts

[dark kernel]

Why are you opening Kidney from stealth if you lose the bonus of the 1 second of stun to generate more CPs anyway?

[spring bough]

Wym bonus 1 second? When you adrenaline you have full CPs to send a full kidney. Or I’ll open with cheap or something on the DPS that was called

DMed it to you

[dark kernel]

So what I'm saying is yeah you have full CPs and you can kidney from stealth, but then you have to ambush to Regen CPs to crack shot. If you just open CS you can immediately BTE since your already capped

Your gaining 1 second of stun but you're forced to ambush instead of crank BTE

[spring bough]

Ah yeah. It’s usually a quick regain if I kidney. I don’t really notice it doing either kidney or cheap for the open

Cause sometimes I also send KS right after that instead of starting my BTEs

Just depends on the way I’m playing and that changes day to day lol

[proven stump]

seems impossible to break through broken disc priest shields as sub

[jolly thorn]

Could you please send me some WeakAuras too?

[spring bough]

https://wago.io/VExHgWSbs

[jolly thorn]

thank you

[pastel burrow]

that WA is actually kinda peak

[azure geyser]

hi guys, I'm now to this spec and pvp but I love it alot... my only issue is the high numbers of abilities I gotta use, is there a way to minimize it a little bit (Macros, addon, anythin...)? I mainly play it in PVP...

[ionic orbit]

I have my shadows blades macroed to cast at the same time as thistle tea and symbols of death. In that way I only have to key once for a 30 and 10% damage increase and 19 .6% mastery increase before an initial strike. This makes sense to me but at the same time take my advice with a grain of salt. I'm doing well in bgs and 2v2 but I suck in solo shuffle.

[azure geyser]

oh thnx foe the reply, forgot to metion my spec

[azure geyser]

Outlaw Rogue... XD

after tryin all the specs this is the one I liked the most in PVP, my only issue as I mentionted I wanted anythin to make the rota easier...

[vocal surge]

I can help ye with rotation

if you need help with it

[grave basin]

fotm rerolls go brrrr

[severe helm]

you can only make the rotation easier by doing it wrong haha

Definitely play HO instead of KiR

[azure geyser]

ur name ain't reassurin...

currently playin Ki

R

[severe helm]

well thats a mistake if you want an easier rotation

[azure geyser]

cuz the chance got buffed with the recent changes (haven;t tried HO yet honestly) and dont know what that is

[severe helm]

HO is just the ambush version of outlaw

doesnt play KiR

has simpler builder rules

I would definitely recommend it over KiR for 99% of players in pvp

even most top outlaws play HO

[azure geyser]

even after the chance buff?

[severe helm]

yes

the buff chance arguably benefits HO more

[vocal surge]

x)

[severe helm]

in sims for pve the buff chance seems to have benefited both builds almost exactly the same haha

[azure geyser]

I litteraly picked the class few days ago and did SHITTTT on it, but like the playstyle

[severe helm]

yeah try out HO

youll perform a lot better

[vocal surge]

Im ranked #3 for 2v2s Outlaw on Murlok.io rn 🙂

[severe helm]

its 3 days in chill

[azure geyser]

downloaded hekili today andf my dmg numbers got so high (guess I sucked earlier)

[severe helm]

hekili doesnt really work for outlaw

[vocal surge]

^

[azure geyser]

Noice

[vocal surge]

Hekili is almost a 30% DPS decrease

if you were to just learn the rotation manually

[severe helm]

go checkout basic rotation rules in #outlaw-faq for HO build

theyre not too bad

[vocal surge]

^

[azure geyser]

k I wanna learn it manually and mainly only for PVP

[severe helm]

the pve rotation is just about identical to pvp

[azure geyser]

1st thing I go HO

[severe helm]

for outlaw

[azure geyser]

then learn the rotatrion manually

right?

[severe helm]

yes

[vocal surge]

If you need help with HO rotation, I can help ye

[severe helm]

then practice practice practice

[azure geyser]

k I'll do that, thnx for the headsup...

[severe helm]

Honestly id start out with playing the HO build that uses vigor instead of supercharger

so you have one less thing to worry about

a lot of people like supercharger but still most of the high rated outlaws just play vigor so you have less to think about rotationally

[vocal surge]

Supercharger is pretty difficult to manage for first timers

since its more punishing

[azure geyser]

I rly love the playstyle SOOOO much, love chasin em in the big battleground and executin with my pistols haha... but the learning curve got me a lil worried thats why I use Hekili

[severe helm]

CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDmZGzYwMzwMMYGzMjZmptZMLzAAAAAAgltxMDzMzsNmZZMAAAAMzMgB2gZMaMbA2mwiB

[vocal surge]

Aye

[severe helm]

here use this build

[azure geyser]

can u link me ur spc build?

[severe helm]

hekili doesnt teach you

dont play SC for now

[vocal surge]

Supercharger Trickster HO
CQQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MDzMzMDzYYGGMjZmxMz0mxsMDAAAAAAWWmZmhZmZWglxAAAAwMzAGMbzmZmZ0MzGzGLbTLsZA

The flex talents on this is Thief's Versatility and Count the Odds

Dancing Steel + Precise Cuts for group cleave under cap

[dapper chasm]

I'm noticing that the Blizzard shop has 12 months gametime for £104 - is this about as good as it gets or is it worth holding out for better?

[vocal surge]

otherwise whatever talents you want

[azure geyser]

do u have the easier one without supercharge? as u guys advice

[severe helm]

thats what I shared

CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMDmZGzYwMzwMMYGzMjZmptZMLzAAAAAAgltxMDzMzsNmZZMAAAAMzMgB2gZMaMbA2mwiB

[vocal surge]

Drop the entire supercharger column for Vigor

[azure geyser]

I'll try to learn supercharge later on

[severe helm]

This still uses loaded dice cuz its technically better right now but you can use sleight if you want

[azure geyser]

thnx I copy now

[severe helm]

sleight will only be better once you have 4 set

[vocal surge]

Also Loaded Dice way better for Vigor column

than Supercharger

[severe helm]

ye

[azure geyser]

I'll start by learnin this one...

then will try to learn @vocal surge spec later on maybe

[vocal surge]

Aye

[azure geyser]

thnx all for the help ^.^"

hehehe time to learn the new rota 😛

[rustic isle]

I hate this new crafting system. Should the pvp boots I crafted only scale up to 639? Was I not supposed to do the Algari boots? I used the purple heraldry when putting in the order

omg nevermind, I used season 1 heraldry

[severe helm]

yeah honestly its def confusing

[rustic isle]

I just wanna unga bunga, not think. fuck.

[hidden moth]

So what are the thoughts on corruptions coming back

Idek wtf they are outside of a weapon enchant?

[grave basin]

i skipped bfa

looks like theyre forcingme to experience it

[vocal surge]

Time for Rextroy 2.0

[dapper chasm]

It's another 600 conq at reset this week?

So not enough for the trink at 700, yeah?

[dark kernel]

They're coming back as weapon enchants only. Rogues just used 9x gushing wound anyway

[slender barn]

silence into silence into cheap feels so nice

[inner tartan]

whats ur cool dice and blade tracker

[vocal surge]

Self made

[jolly sierra]

tf ur pfp lol

[vocal surge]

x)

Easy Onion

[inner tartan]

it is cool

the wa / addon not ur profil

[lavish flint]

I'm probably going sub/assa again on my main rogue. might level a second rogue to try outlaw for arenas. what are ur thoughts on the state of the 3 specs rn?

[spring bough]

Bro is him

[dark kernel]

Sin is good and will likely be most meta. Outlaw is good but harder and can be really strong. Sub is still good but overall a bit weaker this season

[spring bough]

Do I wait to start my night elf outlaw or push him at the same time as Cleef? Lol

[vocal surge]

Wait

lol

[spring bough]

I need to accumulate some honor to gear it out

[hidden moth]

Fuck is that

[hidden moth]

Ya 600

[hidden moth]

On heals? IMO silence into silence into kidney then blind sap

[slender barn]

i will try that

but in that scenario i kidneyed then double silence and had blind on cd

[hidden moth]

Yeah just for opener

[slender barn]

i see

and with a disc i can get a fear after sap

[hidden moth]

Sap heals do dps as sap ends gar gar kid

[slender barn]

gotcha

[hidden moth]

A dr fear bc blind and fear dr

[slender barn]

yeah i figured that out because i was confused on why my blind was dr sometimes

didnt realize it was on the same as fear

[hidden moth]

Then next go u can kidney bomb kill target

Same as fear and Druid cyclone

And hunter trap

[slender barn]

rogue openers feel so good if its clean

[slender barn]

freeze?

[hidden moth]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-in-pvp-6024

[hidden moth]

Yes

[slender barn]

good to know

having a dr tracker on a class like rogue changed my gameplay a lot

since i have so many cc

[hidden moth]

Highly important for rogue dh hunter etc

[potent pivot]

If this doesn’t work properly with reroll rules why keep suggesting it

[hidden moth]

ESP higher up bc u will be timing your offensive cds around their drs

[slender barn]

okay

well unfortunately assa doesnt have much as far as offensive cds

[hidden moth]

Kings bane death mark

[slender barn]

but if you mean PI

[hidden moth]

Actually insane damage

[slender barn]

not running kb at the moment

but death mark is nice

but i wish it did more

[hidden moth]

It does with kb

[slender barn]

okay

[hidden moth]

Buffs the fuck out of kb dot

[slender barn]

really?

[hidden moth]

Bc kb ramps damage on its dot the more poison procs u hit them with

Death mark doubles ur poison hits

[slender barn]

i wasnt sure because kb seemed like a poison not a bleed so i wasnt using death mark when i had kb up

[hidden moth]

So like burst combo is like mark into shiv kb slam envenoms shiv again before shiv debuff falls off

[slender barn]

so does death mark make posions do double damage or proc double the chance

[hidden moth]

And make sure u get a darkest night envenom in there with the 18% buff proc in hero tree

[hidden moth]

It straight doubles ur bleed and poisons on the target

[slender barn]

i guess i read it wrong

[hidden moth]

So u now have 2 gar dots 2 rupture dots 2x wound poison dots

[slender barn]

that must be how kb is viable

do i have to apply the dots after deathmark

or does it double what alr on the target

[hidden moth]

no never death mark if u don’t have dots

[slender barn]

okay thats what ive been doing

[hidden moth]

Doubles what’s on it already

[slender barn]

symbolic?

[hidden moth]

Ye

[slender barn]

for some reason i thought i read deathmark say it only increases the dot damage by 50%

[potent pivot]

KB is fine without Deathmark

[lusty olive]

How do you know when to decide between death from above, preemptive maneuvers, and dismantle?

[potent pivot]

It can be good to KB with it too, but you get 2 KBs for every 1 DM

[potent pivot]

You only take dismantle into things you can disarm

Preemptive is good into a lot of stuff

[slender barn]

and if i go kb i should also grab master assasin? i think you were saying that yesterday

[spring bough]

have you not lliterally seen me type this is beta still needs work but ive used it and its good most of the time

[potent pivot]

Ye

[spring bough]

people can read and do whatever they wanna do

[slender barn]

whats the reason for that? is it just a better talent since you donthave to use a point on doomblade?

or is it specifically good with kings bane

[lusty olive]

I usually always have smoke bomb and hemotoxin but have trouble deciding on the 3rd talent

[slender barn]

i dont know enough of which classes disarm effects but i use dismantle for warriors

and preemptive

[lusty olive]

DOA for casters only?

[slender barn]

for others

[lusty olive]

If it’s like double mage and getting kited

[slender barn]

hmm

i might try that

[hidden moth]

This

[potent pivot]

Doomblade is just trash

[slender barn]

yeah

only for sbs

[lusty olive]

Or Monks

[slender barn]

is what ive been hearing

i check my details

and a full match and it does like 500k

[potent pivot]

Idk wouldn’t people benefit more from learning how to do it properly

Reroll rules are going to be piss easy this season

[slender barn]

can monks get disarms? well i know they can but does it effect core abilities?

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t stop most of their stuff no

[old dome]

How do you counter a well played evo in SS low rating?

He top dmg meters. Cant cc. Cant connect.

[spring bough]

how is melee damage creeping up into top 5 overall lol. did melee get buffed or something

[potent pivot]

like in the raid?

[hidden moth]

get fucked spam kick pray hover runs out

[hidden moth]

i dont think details shows the extra dam from, the dup poison and bleed

[potent pivot]

?

[slender barn]

for doomblade?

[hidden moth]

huh

thought u were tlaking aboumark

i jsut got home from work

[potent pivot]

think he meant doomblade only doing like 500k in a match

but

details does show everything you mentioned

[slender barn]

how does touch of death actually work?

i dont understand

the tooltip doesnt seem real

[indigo hill]

It affects FoF.

[potent pivot]

it can be an instant execute if you're low enough hp

[hidden moth]

so selecting death mark it doesnt show the dam it did from dup bleeds but ig it shows the dup under rupture etc

[potent pivot]

ye the spells do the dmg themselves

[hidden moth]

why do i have 3 garrotes though

[potent pivot]

the only thing that shows under Deathmark is Deathmark's own DoT

[potent pivot]

imp gar

[hidden moth]

was thinkin that but didnt refresh gar at all

[potent pivot]

well there's 3 rupts too

[hidden moth]

oh wiat

im dumb

the 1st one

is the "total done" by ability

the 2 beneath it are the 2 versions of it

so on dummy at 658 pvp ilvl 1 death mark did 1.22 mil gar, 950k rup and 1.61 mil itself. est 3.6- 3.7 mil dam from death mark alone

but thats on dummy and no dr armor etc so grain of salt. just that death mark does a good chunk of dam.

did all that and i forgot to apply poisons before hitting the dummy XD

[odd yew]

Is there any reason I wouldn't craft my non vers/mast items into vers/mast items?

(like how the honor chest is crit/vers)

[slender barn]

in real games wahtare your guys's top abilitys

on details?

[hidden moth]

nah

outside of tier if it isnt vers masa i craft it to be vers masa though idk if this season we hit secondary stat drs but those wont matter as much

though i wouldnt worry about crafting the honor gear to be vers masa, im fine with a few vers crit pieces instead and sxave the gold

[hidden moth]

usually just gar and rupture envenom is up there 2 but i mainly play bgb

[hidden moth]

oh and ct

[spring bough]

i just got 2 6 bones rolls in a row lmao. got 5, CTO, then KIR'd it. then rerolled and had full 6 for 38 seconds lol

[slender barn]

mine is always tempest top then gar rupture envenom

[potent pivot]

you can if you want to, just depends on you. did you not buy conquest chest/shoulders to turn into tier set?

[odd yew]

Just started the season off, got my WM gear and heraldrys

[potent pivot]

well as soon as you get conquest you'd want to buy chest/shoulders to turn into tier etc

so just depends on whether you care about spending the gold

[spring bough]

devo + outlaw with holy pal vs 2 fury with a disc lmaoooo

[jaunty osprey]

!fuu

[lethal roost]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hidden moth]

filthy melee lobby

[slender barn]

how exactyl do you get undermine sparks of war

[spring bough]

any1 notice the 1h sword is 25 more conquest than the fist wep / dagger... lol

coolest mog of the weps fee i guess lmao

omg it back sheathes

[potent pivot]

you go to undermine and join a Sparks group in custom lfg and blow people up

[hidden moth]

or do world quests with war mode on

1 world quest is 10 sparks a kill on player is 1 and 5 for trash can looting/ dirt piles

[slender barn]

why in s2 2025 world of warcraft cant i get a keystone from this idiot panda

like im not gonna do a +0 in season 2

who does this game think i am

[potent pivot]

hasn't been working

[potent pivot]

i don't think undermine WQs give sparks

[hidden moth]

blue post says its fixed

Fixed an issue where Bloody Tokens and Sparks of War were not always dropping from player kills.
Sparks of War should now consistently drop from Undermine Shiny Trash Cans

well ig it didnt mention world quests but my gf did em yesterday and had 0 issue

'got sparks from every one

[potent pivot]

mmk

@grave basin i guess i got one as a drop

[hidden moth]

breh

fuck is this healer gap in bgb

400m 360 mil 350 mil 200mil like bro didnt even do 2x the shadow priests healing

[vocal surge]

Who's the spriest?

[dark kernel]

Can't take bgb seriously or you go insane

[dapper chasm]

Thanks

[potent pivot]

i shoulda been looking harder for these things, i still don't have a map yet. just did through 7 so i've got 8 unlocked to do a bountiful or w/e

even in 7s things start to truck a bit

[ionic orbit]

Am I correct in saying that stealth abilities have been increased for the other classes in some ways? One of the last bgs I was in, there was a windwalker monk in stealth moving beside me and they had 45 seconds of stealth left... I last played in 2011, and from what I remember, only rogues and druids could stealth that long and move. The best other classes could do was down a portion for about 6 seconds of stealth. Honestly think it makes a mockery of rogues and druids too much.

[potent pivot]

in regular BGs you can use consumables

there's all kinds of weird stuff

pots that make u invis, pots that give 30% damage taken reduction, 20% increased damage dealt, etc

the only other class that has a stealth ability other than rogues and druids is hunters, and their stealth is 1 minute

[vocal surge]

and mages

[potent pivot]

ye true and mages

forgot because they usually use invis as defensive wall

[vocal surge]

Ye

[ionic orbit]

how do they stealth, for how long, and can they move?

[vocal surge]

I dont remember how long theirstealth is

but it has a very long CD

[ionic orbit]

In my opinion, the more the other classes can stealth, especially stealth and move, the more pointless the rogue class becomes

[hidden moth]

press invis

invis has been a thing since 2006 guys it was added in tbc

[potent pivot]

even rogue's stealth has become way less important

[hidden moth]

its different though bc rogue can stealth and exist in stealth 2 second cd is nothing and it has infinite duration

[potent pivot]

almost all 3 specs use stealth as just extra damage now

[potent pivot]

sub is the only one that isn't more forced into it

[hidden moth]

2 min cd lasts 20 seconds but if u do anything it breaks. no blinking either then u have hunter camo added in cata which thematically makes sense for hunters to do

[gleaming sentinel]

Subterfuge in some of these solo encounters is super awkward

[hidden moth]

how

do u mean delves or sum

[gleaming sentinel]

I end up vanishing and resetting the fight

Yea delves or like rares etc

If brann dies for example

[hidden moth]

eyeah get fucked pve nerd

[potent pivot]

yeah sometimes it just resets shit

but

[gleaming sentinel]

lol

[potent pivot]

you can try to break the vanish insta

usually works

[potent pivot]

noob

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m really enjoying the gameplay loop of blitz / shuffle / m+ / delves

[potent pivot]

i'm spamming delves to get caught up on gear rn

[hidden moth]

i walked into +2's at 610 ilvl tanked it just finer

+2 keys

[potent pivot]

i haven't even tried signing up to any yet

i'm like 615

but no homies to run with rn

[hidden moth]

sign up? make ur own

[potent pivot]

no key

[hidden moth]

get one from panda bitch/

[potent pivot]

you can get one even if you've never done one?

[hidden moth]

does it not work that way anymore?

idk

[potent pivot]

usually you have to have done one in the past

to reclaim a key or w/e

[hidden moth]

i just know i walk in kill boss get 0 loot then my buds are like woooooooooo lets do it again

thats partialy why im on dh rn for pvp so i can up ilvl

[potent pivot]

at least with delves its a free 623 item every time i think

[hidden moth]

pvp brought my ilvl from 610 to 624

[potent pivot]

even if it's for a diff class, i can send it to my alts

[hidden moth]

to me delves are just a longer world quest that forces u to deal with an annoying npc with a shit ai

[potent pivot]

they've been a breeze so far

brann could not even exist for all i care

[hidden moth]

i wish he didnt

i dont even think he is lvl 10 for me

[odd yew]

Enemy rogue blew up last round of shuffle, found out I crit him for 2 mil

[potent pivot]

can crit even higher than that

[odd yew]

Either details is wrong or I absolutely blasted this man

[potent pivot]

doing 12m to someone isn't very surprising

seems normal

you def blasted him though

seems like the opener just wasn't respected whatsoever

[hidden moth]

tf is wind walker rn bro

[worthy crag]

Imagine once they start running to become windrunners

[hidden moth]

idek how to play against hem

i jsut see flashy tiger clones and damage everythwerrwe

[jolly sierra]

a guy who walks with the wind duh

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/wind-rain-shmuel-windy-pose-gif-12628466

[sturdy dune]

sub or assassin for pvp?

[outer sky]

Lol wtf are these sub changes

They made a note on them saying what they were trying to accomplish and then made a bunch of changes that do not accomplish any of that at

[hidden moth]

\

disc priest goes 0-6 then whispers me about it XD

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/pvp-class-tuning-incoming-on-march-11th-healer-adjustments-and-more-375707

AYO wtf

[severe helm]

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[potent pivot]

they literally just took my boy out back

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[severe helm]

is it actually a nerf?

25% increased evisc damage?

[potent pivot]

its a huge nerf to burst

[severe helm]

seems like nerfing blades window but buffing all the other dance windows

I told you theyd do this haha

delete duel, balance around more consistent damage

[plain blade]

Hunters be 1 shotting ppl and they’re worried about rogues btw

[jolly sierra]

"git good u noob"

[severe helm]

they did the same to mm last time it was like this

[jolly sierra]

"move to another window"

[severe helm]

trueshot got nerfed into the ground in DF

they will probably do it again

[potent pivot]

they nerfed hunter too

[severe helm]

^

there ya go

[plain blade]

Just bring back duel lol

[severe helm]

wow what an actual moron lolol

[jolly sierra]

TOLD U TOLD U

[severe helm]

yeah nah

[jolly sierra]

NEVER AIM FOR A SPEC IN WEEK 1

[plain blade]

We hunt epic bg premade leaders and duel is so good

[severe helm]

not sure thats the right niche thing to balance a whole spec around

[potent pivot]

you didn't tell me anything

[exotic dove]

Oh man that 20% Backstab buff is HUGE watch out world

XD

[dark kernel]

Did y'all see this shit

[potent pivot]

yes

[dark kernel]

60 second healer trinkets

Fuck this dumbass shit

[severe helm]

ive been saying they should do this to sub forever. Sub always complains when they cant 1 shot in a tiny window and expect them to actually be balanced around that

its just not a stable system to have a spec function around that

[brazen ravine]

Do I replace my 639 4-set gear S1 for the green pvp gear S2 ?

[dark kernel]

This game like doesn't even need CC anymore

[severe helm]

yeah that one is INSANE

[dark kernel]

Just mash damage

[severe helm]

yes

[brazen ravine]

ty

[potent pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[severe helm]

60s pvp trinkets really is a crazy one

god damn

[hidden moth]

isnt that just

human racial

[severe helm]

wym

human racial is a 3 minute

and shares a 1 min 30s shared cd with pvp trinket

[hidden moth]

ya

[severe helm]

or at least used to

[hidden moth]

now its

[severe helm]

OH

[hidden moth]

3 min but only puts healer trinket on a 1 min

[severe helm]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

thank fuck

holy

[potent pivot]

oh

[severe helm]

im so glad

[potent pivot]

thats not 60s trinket

[hidden moth]

so heals still get a bonus for being humnan

[severe helm]

I read that totally wrong

hahahahaha

I mean sure yeah I guess

okay false alarm

nbd

[potent pivot]

@dark kernel wtf man

[hidden moth]

bc why be human for a 1 30 stun remove when ur trinket shares 1 30 cd

[severe helm]

bro almost started a riot

[hidden moth]

vs 1 30 and a 2 min

[severe helm]

yeah that makes sense

[jolly sierra]

i warned u and the guys which aimed for a specific spec to never stick for any spec in early weeks

[potent pivot]

i never stick to a spec

[jolly sierra]

cuz rog is most time heavily nerfed

[potent pivot]

so idk what you're talkin about man

i always gear assa/sub on main and outlaw on alt

and play whatever

playing broken stuff is fun w1

[dark kernel]

I was just looking for more info

It read weird

[potent pivot]

it isn't 60s trinket

just the shared cd

for human healers

[dark kernel]

Yeah it took me a moment

[jolly sierra]

#pvp message @potent pivot

[hidden moth]

disc priest nerfs

disc was fine the other healers just needed buffs

[potent pivot]

ye but like, i don't see how this can pertain to me specifically

[jolly sierra]

cuz we argued that day bout that

as always xddd

[potent pivot]

idk

i think everyone should play w/e they want, whenever they want

worrying about changes that come later and just not having fun for a week or two is weird

like all the fotm rerollers that made hunters right now

i doubt they will regret gearing those hunters because they had fun this week

[jolly sierra]

or maybe having enough patience to going later without stressing

[potent pivot]

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly sierra]

week 1 and 2 are always the shitty ones

[halcyon timber]

The hale is that emoji

[potent pivot]

i love it

playing dk or warr this week

stomping noobs because broken

[jolly sierra]

depends of the xmog

which colors are the elite ones for every class?

[hidden moth]

just get all 13

[potent pivot]

disc actually got gutted @severe helm

[hidden moth]

not gutted

just about a 10% nerf to its healing

[potent pivot]

ye thats pretty big

[hidden moth]

but tbh i think its more 5-6% overall

[jolly sierra]

i won't play a fkn 2 buttons class

[hidden moth]

also got buffed for 2v2 bc shadow

[hidden moth]

1 no class is only 2 buttons

[severe helm]

did it?

[jolly sierra]

DH

[severe helm]

it doesnt feel like it thaaat much

I mean its healing was overkill

[jolly sierra]

fel rush
autoattack

[severe helm]

it has the same cds still

so itll be fine

[jolly sierra]

[severe helm]

as long as they dont fuck with their cds itll be fine

[hidden moth]

blade dance sigil flame hunter imo auira eye beam chaos strike

[severe helm]

it was overhealing as fuck so its not a big deal tbh

[jolly sierra]

spotted the DH

[hidden moth]

yeah tbh disc is uber good rn bc of how much damage is going out rn

[severe helm]

dh hasnt been 2 buttons in a while

[potent pivot]

dh has a decent amount of buttons now

[hidden moth]

when ur not a healer but someone with hella dr

[severe helm]

after the rework in DF Dh got pretty complex

the easiest specs now are BM/Ret/Fury

[jolly sierra]

rlly?

[severe helm]

by a huge margin

yes really

[potent pivot]

ye

[severe helm]

dh has a more complicated rotation than assa

and sub imo

lol

[hidden moth]

^

[jolly sierra]

i recalled DH going just fel rush

[hidden moth]

unironically this

[severe helm]

nope

[hidden moth]

no loil

[severe helm]

that was a long time ago

[jolly sierra]

disabled a button

[hidden moth]

fel rush is so little dam

[jolly sierra]

w a talent

[severe helm]

long long

[jolly sierra]

then glaive toss

[severe helm]

yeah the glaive toss thing in SL was toxic

[jolly sierra]

then eye beam

[severe helm]

or was that early DF I forget

but the dot from that

was so lame

[jolly sierra]

ye, 3 buttons

[hidden moth]

now ur tryingto figure the order u send abilities for ur burst rotation while doing ur cc right

[severe helm]

but yeah now its eye beam

[jolly sierra]

idk DH was a fkn meme

[severe helm]

but yeah its burst rotation has a lot of setup

so you have to prep your rotation

[jolly sierra]

and was a classic to troll then saying that's

[hidden moth]

ur blade dance throws glaive for u if u take the talent

[severe helm]

then go for cc

then burst

[jolly sierra]

what bout hunters w rotation buttons?

[hidden moth]

uhj

barb shot kill com profit

aimed shot rapid fire profit

[jolly sierra]

ye, sorry

remove the "demon"

and leave the "hunter"

[jolly sierra]

then

[severe helm]

the entire bm rotation

you maintain one buff via barbed shot

and kill command on cd

[jolly sierra]

3 buttons, both bestial and dire are CDs

[severe helm]

yeah if you consider pressing the cds to be part of the "rotation"

[hidden moth]

barbed shot and kill com are "cds" 2 lol

[jolly sierra]

so

[severe helm]

so technically its 3 buttons in its core rotation

cuz its just barbed, kc, and cobra shot

[jolly sierra]

basically

ye, pass, ill just get the xmogs I like tho

[hidden moth]

1800 dh tmog looks good

[jolly sierra]

for classes i actually play

did they cursed hunter xmog again?

hunters tiers always looked liked shit

they have the worst t3

overall

[potent pivot]

Hunter has the best set this season

[jolly sierra]

in appearance u say?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

[marble oasis]

shit i might even roll a healer at this point

[potent pivot]

That’s false info

[pastel burrow]

we should keep spreading it

[potent pivot]

The only thing that changed is human racial and healer trinket shared cd

[jolly sierra]

trickz how I can tell u this without sound mean

[potent pivot]

I will do it for you

I do not care about your opinion being different than mine

[jolly sierra]

"everyone is entitled for his own opinion"

-notrickz (2025)

[potent pivot]

The glow in game is insane

The mythic set is

[spring bough]

Looking like a DK

[jolly sierra]

but is still a cursed designed xmog, its clear the hunter designer which worked since vanilla is still active

[jolly sierra]

ye

dk w identity crisis

[hidden moth]

1800 sets tier list

S Dh Pala Druid
A shaman priest monk (glad set colors bis)
B hunter (coloring bad mythic set slaps though) dk (colors look like slands honor gear)
C rogue (wtf are those colors myh guy) mage (looks like a ben 10 alien)
D(oesnt qualify) evoker bc when do u actually get to see more than shoulderss+belt
F lock (weird them on helm and meh coloring) warrior (plain lame garbo)

[jolly sierra]

yooo monk one is crazy in elite

White w gold

[gleaming sentinel]

I'd put devastation in that category too

[jolly sierra]

nvm is the purple one

[hidden moth]

not the 1800 thogh 1800 is purple

[jolly sierra]

ye watched the order

[outer sky]

does this mean healers have a 60s trinket now?

[jolly sierra]

warr one looks like mythic ToS one

[hidden moth]

no

just buff human racial for heal

[jolly sierra]

dude pally elite color is fugly

is that sick green again

like in DF

[hidden moth]

no

its the purple

[jolly sierra]

is it?

i am watching wowhead

they flipped a lot the order xd

rog elite appears above the purple regular one

instead in the bottom as usual

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

You’re late homie

[hidden moth]

spriest lost me the last game

i press 11 second darkness

the twat walks out of it

[severe helm]

Oh yeah truuuuu

That's so so so easy

Mashing disintegrate lol

[hidden moth]

pala @jolly sierra

same set change my mind

[outer sky]

i'm not so sure that in sub's current design that ANY buff to backstab would ever be enough to offset nerfs to their burst

they designed a spec around burst

[vocal surge]

That rdruid buff is gonna be a pain to deal with

[potent pivot]

Yep….

[hidden moth]

5% healing?

breh they are dumpster rn

[vocal surge]

Nah

[hidden moth]

nah

[vocal surge]

A good rdruid is hell to deal with

[hidden moth]

i 6-0 every druid i face

[vocal surge]

That Tree of Life buff is going to make em harder to deal with

[hidden moth]

10% more dr? kek

[vocal surge]

30% DR + Immunity to CC is huge

[hidden moth]

just kick tranq XD

if it was huge i wouldnt have their dps die through it

[halcyon timber]

Bark skin can be upgraded to 30% too? Dunno if that is a talent for all druids

But yeah 60% dr easy for them

[vital wyvern]

We have .9% representation at 1800+ only behind Aug/Guardian/Prot Pally, on a spec built around burst....better nerf our burst. :/

[hidden moth]

30x30

[halcyon timber]

Hur hur broccolini

[potent pivot]

Well sub burst was kinda insane

[vocal surge]

^

[potent pivot]

Like I’ve been telling folks that say sub is the worst rogue spec

If you know what you’re doing you can kill someone in 2 globals atm

[jolly sierra]

pushing 1k8 w ret this season

[potent pivot]

A nerf to burst is sad but if they keep buffing sustain hopefully it’ll even out

[halcyon timber]

Do it across the game

[jolly sierra]

return cata backstab

[vital wyvern]

If it was as strong as you say, we wouldn't be just above tank specs in representation

[potent pivot]

Ye I don’t think they want anyone doing 50% of someone’s health in a global

[potent pivot]

That’s just not true

[halcyon timber]

1 step closer each turn we take. The oNe sHot oR nUfFing crap has to end at some point

[potent pivot]

People just don’t know or are too high on their cope to realize

[vital wyvern]

Arcane mage has double ours, infinitely harder to play, with more burst

[hidden moth]

people dont wanna learn complex spec they juyst wanna press aimed shot and win

[halcyon timber]

Yee yee

[vital wyvern]

Aimed shot has 6mil combos

[halcyon timber]

(Hunter from the woods with banjos noises)

[potent pivot]

Hunter was also nerfed

[halcyon timber]

Yep

[hidden moth]

also sight is broken on dh

[vital wyvern]

The issue is priest deals with our burst ok, and they're in every single game

[hidden moth]

any dam taken still cancels it

[hidden moth]

they are the only healer able to keep up rn and we wanna nerf em

buff the other healers instead

[potent pivot]

“Keep up” lol

[vital wyvern]

I agree, 60% representation is insane

Resto Druid in shamble

[hidden moth]

good

they have bneen meta for 2 expacs now let them be f tier for once

[vital wyvern]

Disc has been meta since TBC

[hidden moth]

df s3 s4 say other wise

where rdruids bullied us

[vital wyvern]

... did bro really just say DF S3 S4. Was it you and like 9 people playing?

Lol

[stoic spruce]

Disc has been good since tbc

Much more accurate

[vital wyvern]

RMP has never been bad and meta more than not since TBC

[hidden moth]

wotlk healer meta was hpal js

[vital wyvern]

Wotlk was druid

[hidden moth]

wont be now that assa aff is better

[vital wyvern]

With Dk/war

[hidden moth]

tsg is dk war pala

and made in wotlk XD

[stoic spruce]

This is all over the place so I'll break it down easily

[hidden moth]

show me the rdruid

[vital wyvern]

RMP was the TSG counter, js

[hidden moth]

but i guaruntee it lost to comps tsg walks on

[vital wyvern]

That was the whole meta

RMP was really the only thing that kept TSG at bay

[stoic spruce]

RMX has always been the best comp in the game and always will, it's not specific to priest in terms of healers and there's a lot a of seasons that say that, RMP countered TSG, and I'm sure there's other stuff I'm missing.

[hidden moth]

but doesnt rmd counter rmp?????????????

[stoic spruce]

How?

[hidden moth]

just what i alaways heard

[stoic spruce]

Well it def doesn't now

[hidden moth]

at least in tbc

bc druid can immune mana burn etc

[stoic spruce]

That was too long ago for me to remember accurately

[hidden moth]

was only 4 years ago

[stoic spruce]

I knew someone would bring up classic as if it were the same

But rmp was top in classic too

[hidden moth]

same players and skill no same meta yeah

[stoic spruce]

For the 13 people that played it

I wonder what it is now

Actually I don't

Simply because of spite, but that's personal.

Might be a hot take

[potent pivot]

hot takes from popo? nowae

[stoic spruce]

But the worst iteration of rogue post player buff combo points is better than the best iteration of rogue with target specific combo points

[halcyon timber]

Old need for Redirect was lame. They aren’t going to just make every ability deal fat damage for pressing it. No class works that way.

[potent pivot]

i can't wait to gloomblade goremaw next week guys

[stoic spruce]

I can't wait to

Uhhh

Press Between the Eyes 7 times

Again

[potent pivot]

you only got 4

rip

[stoic spruce]

How did you know?

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-sexpanther-cologne-brianfantana-workseverytime-gif-3501884

[stoic spruce]

Real

Realz

[potent pivot]

i need a comp stomp

we don't get the next one for almost 2 months

[stoic spruce]

And it'll be bugged again this time as well

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[hidden moth]

im done with bgb fror now

every game i get its a loss bc my healers get diffed so fucking hard

[gleaming sentinel]

the mog goes hard this seaosn

[hidden moth]

normal mog is bis

[outer sky]

man these MM hunter nerfs SUCK

[potent pivot]

wdym lol

[outer sky]

MM hunters are like cyanide to frost mages bro

they keep them away

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Bro they keeping everyone away

[outer sky]

i dont really have a problem with them

i love shadowstepping behind them right as theyre about to finish casting Aimed Shot

[potent pivot]

yeah buts lets be real

4m aimed shots are a lil problematic

[stoic spruce]

And not everyone is blessed with shadowstep

[hidden moth]

just blink the aimed shot

[outer sky]

everyone is besides those who play inferior classes....and pirates

[stoic spruce]

You play mm

You're below me

[outer sky]

I dont play MM

[stoic spruce]

Nvm

[outer sky]

I only play Surv on my hunter and hes not even level 80 yet

[stoic spruce]

Explain this

[outer sky]

if MM hunter is good mages dont get to play the game

[stoic spruce]

I'm picking up what you're putting down

[outer sky]

id rather deal with 6m aimed shots than a frost mage

[stoic spruce]

I think you're right

Lemme think of this from a a different perspective

[outer sky]

you gotta have a "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality about this shit

[stoic spruce]

I just remembered I need a cancel aura macro for my DKs wraith walk

[outer sky]

I haven't done a ton of shuffles yet but so far assa feels really strong. I'm 2500mmr just did a 5-1 lobby with nogard and smexxin

20-3 aint bad

and we dodged nerfs

[hidden moth]

3 rounds get played 3 rounds im with monk last 2nd 3rd round he doesnt do shit 4th round he leaves game

[potent pivot]

doesn't it cancel if you just press it again

[stoic spruce]

There's a delay

[outer sky]

yeah that sucks i feel like theres gotta be a way for them to mitigate

that

[hidden moth]

IF MY GAME ENDS EARLY BC SOMEONE ELSE LEFT I SHOULD BE MOVED TO TOP OF QUE

waited 20 min for that shuffle to gain nothing lose mmr not even finish the match and be put back in a 20 min que

[hidden moth]

does arcane mage just have infinite blink and slow immune

[severe helm]

Doesn't have any immune afaik just a slow cleanse

[hidden moth]

is this guy a streamer or big name or some shit

[halcyon timber]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1220739/overpowered-barrier

partly the reason. Their version is wicked.

[hidden moth]

no

[potent pivot]

nop

[hidden moth]

dude legit blinks every 3 secodns

and smelds my hunt ebery time

perfectly

[jolly sierra]

in legion once ive seen a guy spamming blink insta

i thought was a hacker

[severe helm]

Immunity for 3 seconds every time they barrier???

That can't be real lol

[halcyon timber]

It is

[severe helm]

I guess don't hit barrier

[hidden moth]

yeah

he said its his barrier thing

dudes zooming around tping i cant touch him

mans actually out moving a demonhuntert

[hidden moth]

he presses it the second i connect barrier goes boom bc dh dam so high

[severe helm]

Just press escape

That's still crazy op though

Cuz it means you can't hit him for 5 full seconds anyway

[hidden moth]

yeah this too

so barrier clenses slows and then immunes HFDJSKAFHJAS

[halcyon timber]

Heh tp

[potent pivot]

mages are the true main characters of pvp

haven't we all realized this by now

[stoic spruce]

Literally

I'm honestly surprised that pally got the brez instead of mage when they announced another class was getting it

[grave basin]

How do we feel with the sub changes

[potent pivot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic spruce]

Sub needed it tbh

Super frontloaded burst and then healer dmg in between goes is no fun for any spec

[outer sky]

the problem is these changes only address the first part of your complaint and not the second. Rupture and backstab damage isn't winning any games

[stoic spruce]

It's not suppose to

[outer sky]

I know, bad class design

[stoic spruce]

Real

What else is new

[hidden moth]

at least assa is good

[stoic spruce]

They're all good

Just has flaws

[severe helm]

they buffed evisc by 25%

...

youre telling me that wont help the other goes?

youre wild

also rupture does a lot of damage as sub

I think sub does more overall damage than people give it credit for

[hidden moth]

sub is dead

assa gutted it

er garroted it? ruptured it? crimson tempested it?

[stoic spruce]

I'm framing this

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

winning streak WA?

nvm made one

[outer sky]

is that something you can play around well enough for it to be worth tracking?

[jaunty osprey]

in a sense yes

[potent pivot]

really don't need one tbh

[jaunty osprey]

if i have a decent buff

i'd rather press shiv envenom

over refreshing bleed

and taking buff off

[potent pivot]

it has begun gentlemen

[hidden moth]

NO

bad trickz bad

[potent pivot]

YES

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-tiktok-gif-25591053

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-burning-burn-hell-red-gif-10327579165149556602

[hidden moth]

ight fine we can do keys

[potent pivot]

our first drop too

[hidden moth]

ive done 6 keys

[potent pivot]

is goggles i wanted back in SL

[hidden moth]

0 loot

btw

[potent pivot]

this was just an m0

first dungeon of the season

[hidden moth]

ight what glaives do i run with this set

its pvp set so it qualifies to be in this channel 😛

[potent pivot]

is there no way to make warband bank tabs 1 window

[hidden moth]

maybe a addon

but doubt

[potent pivot]

normally you can

like my guild bank and bank are both all 1 window

[potent pivot]

did you get last seasons glaives

the heroic version would go nicely

[hidden moth]

i didnt

this guy melted the evoker wtf