pvp

[grave basin]

Cmon blizz

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/xAiQnMhK4n

What in the fuq

Someone alrdy got the achievement day 1

[potent pivot]

ye i don't think its that hard

but i don't delve

[graceful ravine]

is there a pvp vendor in undermine

[prime ocean]

is there no new green AH pvp g ear?

[graceful ravine]

"If you have Neck/Rings with sockets from S1, use the 9 Conquest Heraldries to recraft them to 678." where is the option to do this?

[potent pivot]

what do you mean

[graceful ravine]

how do i upgrade my s1 piece to 678 and keep sockets?

[potent pivot]

you recraft it

[graceful ravine]

where is the option to use my current ring for the order?

[potent pivot]

click the recraft button

[graceful ravine]

nvm i see it

thanks

recraft cant be a public order?

[potent pivot]

nope

you gotta type something up in trade chat

[old dome]

So shall I recraft my 2 rings and neck?

Its overwhelming ngl lol.

[potent pivot]

ye

[verbal field]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[old dome]

Was that a ye to me, and if so which question?

[potent pivot]

the recrafting

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old dome]

Ty m8! 🙂

[prime ocean]

have they fixed honor transfer yet

[indigo hill]

Not yet.

Are we replacing anything with the new honor gear? I'm full conquest atm plus 4 set.

[spring bough]

We ontop of the shuffle leaderboards. Time to get blitz up there tn and push shuffle more

[normal zealot]

nice doodle

[spring bough]

DH in the comments said the tier 11 delve took 3 min 😂

[grave basin]

Did I mention I was a DH main since tbc

[old dome]

What site you using if I may ask?

[spring bough]

Just the blizz solo leaderboard

[old dome]

I might be slow but no idea what that is tbh.

[spring bough]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle

[old dome]

TYVM!

[safe pelican]

Is participation lower starting S2 than S1 ??

[safe pelican]

I feel like there should be more pirates on this list but go krazy twin

[spring bough]

There was def more people at the start of season one

On day one that is

[safe pelican]

Yea im not even subbed and i can feel it , I mean i guess this weekend will be the ultimate test since there’s more people like me that might resub over the weekend

[dapper chasm]

The hell is this?

Why does it make me feel mad?

Also, the gearing guide is nice - but for the gearing PROCESS do we go BGs till full honour gear, then straight to shuffle to farm conquest while doing the new zone's daily quest for blood tokens?

[pastel burrow]

It lets you turn PvE tier into PvP tier

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

[indigo hill]

I see the Killing spree dc hasnt been fixed

[spring bough]

Honor xfer being off definitely played a role

[grizzled basin]

The patch is here for 6 months, i'd say "it does matter do as u feel" 🙂

[normal zealot]

waiting simulator this season feels nice 🙂

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, but I want to be relevant for the first 2-3 weeks

I know it's all the same after that

Also, are we not rushing ring seeing as honor ring is unique-equip?

[dark kernel]

@spring bough day 1 ez

[spring bough]

What to do for the rest of the season lol

Mythic set def a goal

[old dome]

Im envious lol

It will take weeks i think for me to get 1.8k rating

[dapper chasm]

Christ, I just got 100 sparks in 2 minutes flat

Priest kept me alive the entire clusterfuck

[spring bough]

I did that with a losing record. Get in early MMR is whacked lol

[old dome]

Im queing as we speak

Full honor. x2 678 ring with lens embol and 678 neck. Im ready

[dark kernel]

I tried outlaw first time last nioght since DF S3 and got shit on

[old dome]

Any pointers on what piece to buy with blood tokens?

Im in full honor and crafted ring and neck

[dapper chasm]

Are we not getting bloody token weapons? I thought weapon damage was king?

[old dome]

I think we wait for 2.5k achivment

for free weapons

But I might be wrong.

[dapper chasm]

Isn't that like 3 weeks?

[spring bough]

Just pop evasion, feint, crimson every time you can. I have feint macro’d to vial and evasion since it’s off GCD now. Take elusiveness. Take the new feint PvP talent. Should be pretty beefy

[spring bough]

I went with shoulders cause crit/verse and I went with a cape from bloody tokens

[old dome]

Crit/vers for Out I guess? I was thinking Cloak/Belt or Wrist with vers/mast

[spring bough]

Yeah mostly crit/verse. I wouldn’t copy my stat profile since I lean to way more haste than most do

[unkempt viper]

anyone got a pvp build for outlaw?

[lost quest]

What weapon enchants are you using? Depths?

[spring bough]

Most outlaw use depths

[verbal field]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[spring bough]

Is the KIR build I use. Can swap between trick / fate and keep everything the same. The 1 point I have in dirty deeds I move around. I usually have it in imp MG

[unkempt viper]

Same build for both solo shuffle and bg blitz?

[spring bough]

Yeah I use it for both

I noticed last night when I would get 5+ buffs… vanish CD was effectively less than 30 seconds. It’s nuts

[unkempt viper]

Never played rogue in PvP, only ever mage and disc priest so. Time to learn lmao

[old dome]

Im thinking of getting Wrist and Hands Warmonger and get Chest tier piece from conq. That is a decent plan?

Assa spec.

[proven stump]

bro why thjese daggers givingc rit haste

so what do i do now just buy full honor set?

got 13k honor

any1 wanna drop a good build for sub 11.1

[spring bough]

How much do we gotta bribe blizz with to give us 1 catalyst charge a week

Waiting what 3 more weeks for full tier is pain 😭

[polar burrow]

What talent do you look for on murlok to find an envenom build?

[grave basin]

any1 else getting brain tumors doing the sparks quest on multiple alts

[spring bough]

I love trickster KIR outlaw

[grave basin]

I wanna play crackshot outlaw

Is it good

[dapper chasm]

Easiest farm of my life

Go to the little arena - 2 mins tops

[grave basin]

I see on murlok people starting to hop on the trickster bandwagon

[grave basin]

If you get a good group ye

[dapper chasm]

I had 0 deaths

My Priest had the Mandate of Heaven

[grave basin]

Joined one where the healer just auto died every 5 seconds

[dapper chasm]

Fucker wouldn't let me die

https://tenor.com/view/superman-justice-league-superman-clark-kent-henry-cavill-snyder-cut-superman-gif-25715018

[spring bough]

Outlaw >>>> all rogues

[stoic spruce]

You actually don't have a choice but to play it lol

[deft spear]

Smart people..... I dont have any algari on this toon and only the 9 healdry.....whats the play to gear up?

[stoic spruce]

I just bought a full set of honor gear and said ggs

Everything else was too confusing

[deft spear]

thats what i have now.....and scared to use my conquest

[stoic spruce]

What spec?

[deft spear]

rocking Sin...but...yall making outlaw seem appealing

[stoic spruce]

Obv not weapons since we get those free

[deft spear]

yeah, following the "guide' plan to do chest to tier, then shoulders to tier

[stoic spruce]

That'd be better for assa

[deft spear]

but without having algari gear not sure if that changes anything

• Assassination/Subtlety:
  • This week we should be buying Conquest chest and Catalyzing it. Then using the free Catalyst charge from reaching 1.6k rating on shoulders.
• Outlaw:
  • This week we should be buying Conquest helm and Catalyzing it. Then use the free Catalyst charge from reaching 1.6k rating on gloves.

[lethal yew]

Outlaw tier set is good?

[dark kernel]

It's a good enough

The two-piece seems meh , but the four piece could be interesting

[stoic spruce]

4pc is good

In no way is more rtb buffs a bad thing

[spring bough]

Can we start a trade cartel on heraldies

And push the price to 1k gold per

And get rich this week

[spring bough]

GOD TIER

[stoic spruce]

DF S3 tier was god tier

We will see

[spring bough]

I can’t even remember what it was lol

[stoic spruce]

The rtb tier

[spring bough]

I’m already getting insane 3+ and 5-6 rtb buff windows

[stoic spruce]

Perma 3 buffs

[spring bough]

When I get 4 set? Oh it’s gonna be perma 5 buffs

1 min duration 5 buffs

Which means GAME OVER for the other team

And you’ll usually get the 6th in that window for a good amount of time too

[lethal yew]

Subterfuge was always 6s?

[stoic spruce]

No

[lethal yew]

When was it nerfed?

[stoic spruce]

It was buffed

[lethal yew]

talking about the talent

[stoic spruce]

Yeah the two tier talent

I may be wrong actually but they made changes to it but I don't think it was a nerf

[lethal yew]

Idk 6 seconds seems short?

[stoic spruce]

Well you get 2 so that's 12

18 on opener

[lethal yew]

2?

[stoic spruce]

2 vanishes

2 subterfuges

[lime venture]

Did I make a mistake?
I sold all my S1 craft PvP gear - Forged Gladiator X
is it possible to recraft those pieces for S2?
should I used item restore on them?

[stoic spruce]

If you want to go through the hassle you can, but frankly why would you?

[lime venture]

Save on cost of materials

[stoic spruce]

I sold all my gear and replaced it with honor

Fair

[lime venture]

So last night I was one match from hitting 1800 in solo shuffle... I just wanted to flex on my raid group in the new swag tier set
I que'ed into triple warrior group
FML
I went 2-4 and 2 of the losses were really close.
Ill try again tonight.

Outlaw seems OK - but doesnt feel as strong as last season. MM Hunters seem to be the most dangerous with thier burst combo and Fury warriors do unhealable damage into dampening.

[lime venture]

I just found this:

[lethal yew]

Doesnt work, it destroys the gem when you do the recraft

[lime venture]

the gem slots also?

[spring bough]

By the time you go thru this the third vanish is off CD. Go thru that and the fourth is off CD

More buffs making the CDR feel insane

[graceful ravine]

worked for me last night

[chrome schooner]

it doesn't

I have all my sockets on the new honor gear

[spring bough]

I recrafted my neck, bracers, belt, and rings and all gems and enchants stayed

[graceful ravine]

is the tier set for assa still trash? was reading the summary of it but it was from a few months ago

or did they buff it

[gleaming pawn]

You want 2p

[chrome schooner]

they didn't buff it but playing it is very free

you don't have to play around it

[gleaming pawn]

Jury is still out on if 4p will be worth or not. But I believe it’s learning towards 4p. Being good

[chrome schooner]

also stats are quite ok

[graceful ravine]

recalled they were saying it was approx 1 proc every 2 mins, for 4 seconds

or something stupid

[chrome schooner]

the 4p might be like that, idk the proc rate

but aain you don't lose much by playing it

there are decent stats on the gear

[graceful ravine]

assa "feels" strong rn, but worried we might get fked later on when everybody gets stronger w/ tier sets and ours is trash

[chrome schooner]

if it keeps being removed with dot ticks then even the 2p isn't worth x)

[graceful ravine]

this article is from jan 9 so idk whats changed since then

https://www.wowhead.com/news/rogue-war-within-season-2-tier-set-bonuses-reviewed-guide-writer-first-358172

1 proc every 2 mins is for PVE with 100% melee uptime, its alot worse in pvp

and tier sets are nerfed by 50% in pvp too? gg

[spring bough]

Assassins were doing numbers last night

I think they have the most over 2k in shuffle right now out of all the rogues too

[graceful ravine]

yea but thats without tier sets

once other classes get their (stronger) tier sets, meta will shift

and lower hp pools at beginning of season

relatively to gear

[spring bough]

Some dude hit elite as Sin already

Wicked 😂

[gilded sand]

looks like they fixed recrafting sockets? mine got destroyed on my ring just now

[spring bough]

The couple games I played with Sin last night. Outlaw was >>> over its damage by a lot lol

[spring bough]

I hope they didn’t retro destroy all mine 😭

What is the saying? Exploit early and often lol

[gilded sand]

thats so frustrating, i just got time to recraft my stuff and everyone else gets to have their sockets

[spring bough]

Pls don’t report 😂

[gilded sand]

im sure they know and dont care

[lime venture]

exploit early
exploit often

[spring bough]

Sounds like I just got free sockets on my neck, bracers, belt, and rings 😂

Gemming my helm later and done for the season

[gilded sand]

would like to know if anyone else can still do the recraft and keep their sockets still

[spring bough]

If I remember upgrading from current season honor to conquest keeps the gems too

Would be a pain if they changed that

[indigo hill]

What are we turning into tier pieces as Outlaw?

[stoic spruce]

Not chest

Head and gloves

[lethal yew]

In some scenarios, recraft gear with sockets destroy the socket

[spring bough]

Head and gloves most def

[spring bough]

I think I’m skipping conquest item week 2 and buying chest week 3

Then legs last

[stoic spruce]

Why

Its heavy mast

[spring bough]

We need 4 set still

Out of shoulders, chest and legs. The shoulders have the most mastery I believe

Chest atleast has verse

And legs have a ton of crit

[gleaming sentinel]

Kinda think once u get 30% vers or so and 20% haste, it’s not like mastery is completely terrible after that

[indigo hill]

Yeah i probably should have checked here before recrafting my gloves...

Btw i checked and the gem gets removed from the item when recrafting.

[spring bough]

I think it’s getting removed for some and staying for others. Sounds bugged

[indigo hill]

Enchants stay on tho

[gilded sand]

in the crafting window updating the heraldry slot in any way removes the sockets from the preview, i guess thats just it fixed then

[spring bough]

It should still have them after recraft tho?

[old dome]

I bought stuff for assa and now I wanna play out

:((((

Sadface

[lime venture]

I was doing Blitz last night and most maps are flag carry this season... was thinking sin is gonna be great in blitz this season

[gleaming pawn]

It’s completely random what maps you get into

[severe helm]

on outlaw? still worse than crit

[outer sky]

assa is good in 2s if anyone cares

[severe helm]

in fact vers is still better than crit and mastery even past 30%

trickster might shift that a little towards crit

but its def not mastery

esp if youre playing trickster

cuz fatebound gives you a flat damage buff which is fine but trickster buffs explicitly your builders and finishers so your mastery is inherently worse on trickster

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw mastery needs an update loll

[stoic spruce]

It did

It got a buff

Imagine tho

[spring bough]

Imagine if outlaw had a good mastery passive

[spring bough]

Trick KIR is it for this season. It was so much fun yesterday. Hopefully they leave it alone with any tweaks lmao

[severe helm]

Yeah havent tried it yet

im sure itll feel decent

[gilded sand]

mine didnt

[severe helm]

something went wrong then haha

cuz thats how it works for everyone else

if you recraft an item that had sockets on it last time it will keep sockets and enchants

[spring bough]

I feel like blizz fudded this

Think the question we need to ask is did they intend for season 1 algari to be upgraded to season 2 algari? If they did, then sockets should stay. If they didn’t, then we get fked

[severe helm]

well yeah its weird cuz the socket item itself says 'can be used on s1 items only'

so if they wanted that restriciton

then why can you bypass it in this way

it is def weird

[spring bough]

They 100% fked this up. No way did they intend for everyone to get free sockets season to season lol

Like you can’t upgrade omen crafted to the new pve crafted right? So why would PvP be any diff

[gleaming sentinel]

So many people hoarded the stones who cares just leave it be

[lime venture]

I dont think thats an apples to apples analogy.
For PvE you can socket neck right from the AH.
Also, gear can drop with sockets already, so that is farmable, RWF splits.

Overall, it doesnt create a competative enviornment with the pve progression of pvp gear.

[spring bough]

I guess so. Just feels weird we were able to keep them when in any other previous season we wouldn’t have been able to

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

@chrome schooner @graceful ravine a lot has changed with the tier since then. It does not get removed with dot ticks anymore

[jaunty osprey]

guess we dont even have to test 4pc

😂

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

oh wait that’s old

nvm

[potent pivot]

Very old

[old dome]

!stat

[chrome schooner]

good good

[old dome]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[jaunty osprey]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

Also, recrafts are losing sockets now?

[jaunty osprey]

Bout to log in and check

on alt rogue

[potent pivot]

Have a feeling that fix might get reverted after so many people got to abuse it

Anyone who didn’t get to do it will be piiissed

[jaunty osprey]

on my work pc

so can’t screenshot

but adding griftah’s to it doesnt remove the socket

Now

let me check with s1 to s2

instead of s2 to s2

[spring bough]

If they take my gems away I unsubscribe

[potent pivot]

S1->S1 always kept sockets so that isn’t surprising

[jaunty osprey]

Confirmed

Can’t go from s1 to s2

[potent pivot]

That’s so dumb

[jaunty osprey]

with keeping sockets

[narrow tangle]

it ddoesnt work for me am i dumb

[jaunty osprey]

BUT if you did it early on, you’re fine

Once it’s at s2, it stays no matter what you do

[narrow tangle]

oh i should ve read the chat

[potent pivot]

I didn’t do all my alts

[lime venture]

Is this you?

[spring bough]

I upgraded every item ima use this season that had gems 🙌

[spring bough]

Possibly 😂

[lime venture]

notice me senpai

[spring bough]

Probably already passed me lol

I can’t play till 6ish

[lime venture]

Im gonna steal your build.
I almost broke 1800 then went on a loss streak.

[spring bough]

No comment if it doesn’t work 😂

[lime venture]

I wanted to flex on my raid group with the new tier set tmog... I hope i can clutch it later. Im in your boat I wont be on till 7ish.

[jaunty osprey]

I can’t play till Friday night, coming for the NA Assa spots later this week

[jaunty osprey]

Glad everyone listened yday and recrafted early

[spring bough]

KIR trick is nasty good. Tanky as fuck too. You’ll be fine

[old dome]

@spring bough mind sharing build? you kinda made out meta these last hours

[spring bough]

Now I pray I don’t login and the sockets are gone lol

[lime venture]

What are the go to honor talents now?
smoke bomb /disrm seem to be a hrad lock.

[spring bough]

The dirty deeds talent point I move around

[spring bough]

I went with the new feint one and then did the dmg inc after stun

[potent pivot]

@jaunty osprey

It’s already started

[jaunty osprey]

I mean

Doesn’t matter to me

I have like 300k honour

And this

[spring bough]

Fuck them lol

[vocal surge]

boutta walk into my first SS w. 5p conq lol

2 WM pieces, 2 Recrafted pieces, and 1 glove

[spring bough]

Go delete people

[vocal surge]

Gotta upgrade my WA for KIR Trickster

and get 5 more honor pieces

[lime venture]

sell me some of those
it will go to a good cause
killing hunters and paladins

[gilded gulch]

I upgraded my bracers to s2 and it kept the socket.

like 3 hours ago

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah it was fixed an hour ago

[gilded gulch]

[lime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-intrigued-gif-21376129

[gilded gulch]

Thats kinda funny ngl

I made mistake of sending a weapon with conq heraldries though

granted its just a bit of honor

Though why are people complaining its not like honor is timegated.

[spring bough]

Have they reactivated war band transfers?

[potent pivot]

sockets cost a fuckton of honor

[gilded gulch]

5k and gold

tbh

[lime venture]

I bought the gems with honor, should have just used gold

[fathom moss]

Supply crate farm nets you so many though

[spring bough]

Ton of time to farm up the 9 sockets. That’s why people that missed the upgrade gonna be pissed tf off

[potent pivot]

full sockets is like 90k honor and Xgold

[fathom moss]

Half a day of farming you get 3gems and a sockets

[spring bough]

3.5k gold per viscous or so

[fathom moss]

Supply crates

[potent pivot]

it "not being timegated" has nothing to do with it

[gilded gulch]

I mean i'd consider it exploity if it gave you more conq gear

or something

[spring bough]

It just saved like tricks said a bunch of gold and about 90k honor. It’ll be a level field in a few days

[potent pivot]

i was hoping it was just a new change

though i knew it was likely it wasn't

[gilded gulch]

Yeah i probably shouldnt have sent on a weapon

[potent pivot]

but farming 90k honor every character every season is a bitch and a half

[gilded gulch]

unless using honor heraldries retains the socket too

[potent pivot]

they did

[spring bough]

And the fact transfers are off 🪦

[gilded gulch]

Is converting a s1 conq heraldry craft into an s2 honor heraldry craft

[spring bough]

Thankfully my gemmed gear is now season 2 honor so they’ll keep the sockets to conquest level 😂

[gilded gulch]

still retaining the sockets

[lime venture]

Do we know why the warband transfers are off?

[potent pivot]

it was before this change

[potent pivot]

dupers

[lime venture]

I noticed it was not working last week

[gilded gulch]

Rip I should have farmed more honor

forgot they dont reset it

XD

[spring bough]

Been off atleast a week so far. Broken game 😂

[vocal surge]

Only in Moon Guard

[deft spear]

when should i gouge as Sin?

[dapper chasm]

Do I have to pick up a quest for the conq weapons and 1600 bonus?

[gilded gulch]

When you need an incap

[potent pivot]

nope, they're achievements

[dapper chasm]

Couldn't find them in the arena section

[potent pivot]

the conq weapon achieve gets completed at 2500 conq, so week 3

the 1600 achieve gives you a catalyst charge

[dapper chasm]

And you're sure it's worth to use blood on off pieces and not new weapons?

[potent pivot]

ye

[gilded gulch]

Wait it's a cata charge?

[potent pivot]

yes

[gilded gulch]

and not a vendor token

[potent pivot]

they changed it

[dapper chasm]

So we still need to buy both chest and shoulders?

[jolly sierra]

when i wanna incap or u have a caster juking

so they stop trolling

[potent pivot]

with conq yeah

[gilded gulch]

Just never kick

so they live in perma fear of being locked

[dapper chasm]

So week 1 is just those 2?

Can't afford any off pieces?

[gilded gulch]

I mean that change is kinda cringe since you still need a piece to cata

imo

[jolly sierra]

cyclone

stops

cyclone

stops

cyclone

gouge

[deft spear]

Ok so i can move it from a priority bind

[stoic spruce]

And then they're like "oh this pleb just doesn't have kick on their bar" and then they get kicked.

[gilded gulch]

if the wizard you're playing against sucks enough

you can sometimes walk through their char model

to stop the cast

[potent pivot]

correct

everything else you buy honor pieces or the bloody token cloak/gloves

[jolly sierra]

sometimes w locks just jump in front of them to reach their back in their chaos bolts

[dapper chasm]

Too late, I got cloak belt

[potent pivot]

well belt is fine

now that s1 sockets aren't being retained

[dapper chasm]

Actually

If I did it - it's optimal

[lime venture]

this seems to be the sweaty guide

[potent pivot]

i made a guide

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[jaunty osprey]

That isn’t a super sweaty guide it just says don’t spend ANYTHING until after you hit 1600

and full clear raid

[deft spear]

of course you'd say that....right after i buy something lol

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't worry about it

most people aren't going to full clear the raid for pvp

[deft spear]

if i dont have algari gear, start with jewelry and just keep trying to upgrade purple/green heraldry?

[chrome schooner]

worrying about gear difference the first few weeks when seasons span months is not the move

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't bother with green heraldries at all

[severe helm]

yeah I never understood this haha

rating doesnt matter right now even in the slightest

[dapper chasm]

Wait what

[potent pivot]

buy honor gear with the proper stats, use your 9 free purple heraldries on rings/neck, etc

[severe helm]

as long as you arent so undergeared that youre just getting 1 shot it like doesnt matter

[dapper chasm]

Why would they need to clear a raid?

[potent pivot]

zanaken

[severe helm]

why would they

[potent pivot]

please just shhh

[dapper chasm]

I've been laughing at my guild all day for raiding

[gleaming pawn]

You can upgrade pve gear to pvp scaling, Zanaken

[potent pivot]

there's new items on the conquest vendor

to add pvp scaling to pve tier

[severe helm]

can you?

[potent pivot]

for people who already do both content

[severe helm]

thats kinda nice

does it cost conquest?

[gleaming pawn]

Those lacquerware things you were laughing at yesterday

[potent pivot]

yes

[severe helm]

oooo

[potent pivot]

it costs conquest

[severe helm]

thats actually a huge qol for me

before I would have to keep two sets of gear

[dapper chasm]

I didn't realise it gave an actual advantage for PvE

[potent pivot]

it doesn't

[severe helm]

I dont think it does

[dapper chasm]

Just a boost to catch up

[severe helm]

it doesnt affect anything about its pve ilvl

[potent pivot]

it gives and advantage for week 1 if you get very lucky and get pve tier

[gleaming pawn]

Makes it so your pve piece scales to pvp but also can still be upgraded on the pve ilvl track

[dapper chasm]

Also, that's rude, NoTrickz - you're above such mean ways

[potent pivot]

it does not matter in the grand scheme of things

[severe helm]

its not mean cuz its you

[potent pivot]

i felt a zanaken freak out coming

[dapper chasm]

No, not between queues

[potent pivot]

i preemptively reacted to something that may or may not have been coming

[dapper chasm]

I've already made my postion on PvE nerds very clear

[potent pivot]

i stick by my decision

[dark kernel]

Actual rated 3s

is so mentally exhausting

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

like ego destroying awful

shit

mid day fucking season 2 arena every game is gladiators of some sort, sweaty ass fucking comps cant even get 4fun games in 1600s mmr

[potent pivot]

@severe helm bro im gonna have to get portals every season from now on, this shit is annoying as fuck.

i'm trying to get to zuldazar on alliance characters and have to fly halfway across the world

for this free 636 pve gear piece

[severe helm]

hhahahahaha

[potent pivot]

like holy fuck

[severe helm]

also wait free 636 piece?

[potent pivot]

yes

there is a BFA world quest for doing Motherlode right now

[severe helm]

also dont you just have to take the tunnel thing inside undermine

to the beach of zuldazar?

ooooh

[gleaming pawn]

I don’t know why you’re surprised. It’s 25 hours since the season started and mid day. Of course 3s will be infested with streamers and r1 players

[severe helm]

interesting

[potent pivot]

you can clear Motherlode on normal bfa scaling

[severe helm]

LOL

[potent pivot]

and the wq rewards a 636 from the dungeon loot pool

[dark kernel]

yeah but like, after soft MMR reset im only 1800, I shouldn't be going 3-15 vs gladiators every fucking game

[potent pivot]

the motherlode loot pool*

[stoic spruce]

Love that dungeon

[dark kernel]

i lost 100 MMR only but who wants to win 20% of games for like 50 matches

[potent pivot]

i didn't think about that. but i don't have the campaign skip yet so idk if it'd even be there?

[potent pivot]

that's every season start man

[gleaming pawn]

Exactly

[graceful ravine]

it only gets worse as the wow pvp pop gets smaller

[gleaming pawn]

On top of 3s being a lower pop bracket with Blitz and SS being so popular

[dark kernel]

It's just soul crushing

[graceful ravine]

Less players = Less MMR = More pros at relatively lower ratings

[dark kernel]

I'm done playing BGblitz because it's dog shit and shuffle is too long.

[graceful ravine]

My fav pvp season was SL S1 when they forced all PVE players to PVP for gear

PVP population 2-3x'ed lol

[dark kernel]

Sp I'm just sending rated 3s. But these matches at sub 1000 rating are harder than 2200+shuffle queuea

[gilded gulch]

I mean if you q 2200 shuffle last month of the season

[potent pivot]

@severe helm the drill worked, you're a hero

[gilded gulch]

It's not considered high anymore

It's all relative tbh

Pretty sure ladder r1s are considered not good by some tourney players

r1s considered glads meh

etc

[dark kernel]

Your right it's not but the difference between 2200 MMR shuffle and 1600 rated 3s should be multiple standard deviations

[graceful ravine]

3s has become the brackets for the true sweats tho

the casual pvpers play shuffle or blitz

[dark kernel]

Like

[deft spear]

after the 9 heraldry, just have to use conquest at some point?

[dark kernel]

I respect 1800 rated 3s over 3000 BGblitz by far now

[gilded gulch]

Its the first week

[dark kernel]

And?

[gilded gulch]

Always been that way

You played 2k 3s first week there was a high chance of r1 teams.

[gilded gulch]

I would say it moved from 2v2 to shuffle

[gilded gulch]

You're also playing placements week 1.

Which means you either get games you win in opener or real players.

[dark kernel]

I went 3-15 so it spells it out pretty well.

[potent pivot]

@severe helm i think they hotfixed the motherlode thing already btw

[severe helm]

oh damn

rip

that was fast

[gilded gulch]

https://check-pvp.fr/ranking

1800 is still top 50

On NA ladder

[potent pivot]

the wowhead post was like 4hrs ago

but yeah

would've been a nice catch up pieces on alts

[gilded gulch]

You mean the buggy wq?

[potent pivot]

the bfa motherlode wq yeah

[gilded gulch]

Yeah havent had time to get on ingame

[potent pivot]

trying to catch up a couple alts that i only ever pvp'd on

my dk and dh

[gilded gulch]

Means you're punching above your weight

[potent pivot]

wonder if i should just do the campaign on them for the free pve gear

[jolly sierra]

sounds like a bug exploit xd

[potent pivot]

meh

636 and under may as well be that free

[jolly sierra]

its obvious that it would be fixed xd

[potent pivot]

who cares

[hidden moth]

quests arnt giving sparks wtf

[potent pivot]

WQs?

[stoic spruce]

Me

I care

[hidden moth]

ya'

not getting any on the priest still but just got some from the care package thing

[potent pivot]

dunno, they fixed that last night

i guess they fucked something else

[hidden moth]

i jsut got some from this other quest

ig the tank quest that u hop into to do slime round up isnt a world quest?

[potent pivot]

dunno

i guess some guild already won the RWF and the whole guild got banned

gg

[dreamy mason]

how often do we use Mutilate VS FoK as Assa?

sorry if its a dumb question, but im new to Assa (or Rogue overall ..)

[potent pivot]

mutilate on 1 target

FoK on 2 or more targets (not including pets)

[dreamy mason]

awesome, thx!

In S2, do we play Fatebound or Stalker?

[potent pivot]

you can play either, but deathstalker is the better option

[dreamy mason]

when using FoK on 2 or more targets, do we need to keep track of the Deathstalkers Mark Mutilate buff?

[potent pivot]

i don't get what you mean

you apply deathstalker's mark with ambush

that is highest priority

[dreamy mason]

yes, but then when you consume a mark, it makes so your next mutilate does 50% more dmg

nothing we need to track?

[potent pivot]

i just did a WQ and didn't get any sparks

so i guess its still fucked

[potent pivot]

nah

all of assa's builders do piss damage

[hidden moth]

yeah idek

[potent pivot]

just gotta join a sparks group ig

faster anyway

[dapper chasm]

Yoooo, I just got 9 free purple tokens

I only did like 5 games - this season is popping

[potent pivot]

they're guaranteed from 1 bg win

[dapper chasm]

I had honor already

[spring bough]

Has anyone tried cloak capping yet? It wouldn’t let me all night

[dapper chasm]

How much is it to boost up a ring?

[potent pivot]

idk like 4k

with the bloodstone/mats etc

[dapper chasm]

My bad - I meant how many purple tokens to turn last seasons ring into this seasons?

[gleaming pawn]

3

[potent pivot]

3 yeah

[spring bough]

Someone test this pls. I think they removed it

[jaunty osprey]

CR doesnt matter in terms of looking at ladder this early on

Every1 that was 3.1k last season is playing at 2300-2400 mmr 3s atm

the more games played the higher those r1s will climb

Like I was queuing with Reiler yday and had to go, but he kept queuing and hit 2350 simply cause he spam queued but I’m still 1600, but have same mmr as him

people can get 1800 right now going 50-50 at 1800-1900 mmr and avoid all those r1s v easily but be top 50 ladder

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't doubt it

[jaunty osprey]

2 or more targets, including pets

[potent pivot]

why would you include pets

for fok

[jaunty osprey]

cause

hitting 1 player and 1 pet with FOK

[dapper chasm]

I'm gonna do both rings and boots then

[jaunty osprey]

will do more damage to that 1 player

[dapper chasm]

Assuming boots are 3 as well

[jaunty osprey]

than a mutilate would

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

Remember, FOK does increased damage when you have 2 ruptures out

[potent pivot]

sure

but its still less combo points

[jaunty osprey]

just crit smh

[potent pivot]

mutilate/fok damage is all trash

[gilded gulch]

I mean if the guy had less than 10 games I assume was still doing placements

and mmr is all over isnt it

[jaunty osprey]

There is like no placements

You can get matched up with same mmr

on 1st game

[severe helm]

blitz mmr is fucked it didnt really reset

[jaunty osprey]

even 3rd game etc

Ye same for 3s

[severe helm]

very dumb honestly

like I dont wana q over 3k day 1 with 0 cr

[gilded gulch]

When did they remove placements

[jaunty osprey]

This season was weird

Reiler, Flop, and I were all 3100 last season

Our 3rd game, we faced Montage, Mvq and Petkick

All of us at 2400 mmr

for 3s

[gilded gulch]

Granted i rarely q 3s week 1 ever

feels excessively sweat

[jaunty osprey]

Playing the game that we pay $15 a month for is sweat? 😭

[gilded gulch]

Well depends what you want week 1

ofc

[jaunty osprey]

Playing with homies on day 1

When no1 is burnt out yet

is a vibe

Solo Q on day 1 is more sweat than trying to queue w the boys

[potent pivot]

im already burnt out

i was pre burnt out pre patch drop

i pre burnt the patch

[gleaming pawn]

Boots and belt are 4

[jaunty osprey]

rip notrickz

we need a new pvp mod

[potent pivot]

i think i just can't do as many alts

it's a bit much

[river pollen]

damn my ring recraft upgrade lost sockets, i prob did something wrong lool

[potent pivot]

they fixed it

gg

[jaunty osprey]

Update pin

[dapper chasm]

So what are the kids doing?

[potent pivot]

true

[jaunty osprey]

ring and neck

[dapper chasm]

I don't have a neck from last season - can I make from scratch for 3?

[jaunty osprey]

use bloody token on off pieces going forward probably

eventually craft boot last

[gilded gulch]

Yeah you just dont get the fre sockets

[dapper chasm]

That's cool, getting 1k+ per BG

Wont take long

[jaunty osprey]

What are the bloody token stats?

[potent pivot]

you don't get free sockets period

anymore

on anything

[gleaming pawn]

And Blizz needs to remove any s2 sockets to make up for fixing it before I had time to recraft shit 😛

But classic Blizz, won’t do fuck all

[potent pivot]

they should've just left it in at this point

[gilded gulch]

Did they remove sockets on stuff you crafted?

[potent pivot]

when you fuck up something that big, you move on until next season

[potent pivot]

pin

[jaunty osprey]

if u already have it, u’re chilling

[gilded gulch]

Yeah thats only for gear crafted after fix.

Yep i fucked up not grinding enough honor prepatch

[potent pivot]

yes

[gilded gulch]

bloody token boots are haste vers

which is kinda meh

[potent pivot]

Do gloves

[gilded gulch]

cloak is like 2/3 mast>vers

[jaunty osprey]

GLOVES + CAPE -> BRACERS/BELT -> BELT/BRACER -> BOOT

for bloody token

week 1-2-3-4

[potent pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315975622335660032/1346977553549627515/Screenshot_2025-03-05_144733.png?ex=67ca261a&is=67c8d49a&hm=faf9dff78f7fcc609d0405369a959152df4b4ea3c65c48e1d5f72d6a28dd6f27&

Blizzard in shambles again this patch

[dapper chasm]

btw, is going 1x lens embellish and 1x woven a big downgrade?

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

You go 2x lens

[dapper chasm]

I really like having the xtra passive buff

[potent pivot]

Nah

Embellishments are so miniscule

[jaunty osprey]

Idk, I hit like 600k lens

[opaque tendon]

guys undead class is good in pvp? for rogue?

[dapper chasm]

I collect passive buffs as my weird thing

[jaunty osprey]

with 2x

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s just not a big difference

[jaunty osprey]

with 1x it’s directly half

[potent pivot]

Talking like 0.2% dps type shit

[gilded gulch]

Not really

[jaunty osprey]

you HARDLY have dusk up

at all

[dapper chasm]

You think so?

[jaunty osprey]

like uptime of it is non existent

yes

[dapper chasm]

I'm usually at max hp

[gleaming pawn]

If only they hadn’t fired most of the QA/QC staff. Absolute clown show

[gilded gulch]

The guy who did the exploit is the QA guy

:)))

[potent pivot]

Yep it’s getting a bit ridiculous

[jolly sierra]

i was the second candidate to mod before trickz was chosen

[dapper chasm]

FYI you don't keep sockets

[jolly sierra]

i can take the role as class president here lol

[dapper chasm]

Just checked

[potent pivot]

[gleaming pawn]

I’d say give it to me, but I’d be handing out bans like they were candy so probably not ideal

[potent pivot]

How many big bugs is that now

5?

[gleaming pawn]

Sounds about right, yeah

[potent pivot]

Exploited HoF WF kill
Sockets
Sparks not awarded from WQ
Currency xfer duping

[jaunty osprey]

full conq gear

6 bugs 🙂

[potent pivot]

??????

S1 boxes awarded s2 gear or what

Lmfao

[jaunty osprey]

Server xfer resetting conq cap

[potent pivot]

Please tell me they fixed that

[river pollen]

would we also lose the new sockets to the recrafted gear if we recraft it again with conq heraldry

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-kid-black-umm-mahmoud-gif-11362661

They fixed it right

[jaunty osprey]

Who knows

I can’t transfer any of my chars for fun to test

cause waiting for r1 titles

anyone got $25 and are bored?

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-gamerkhasan24-gif-24629190

I assume you cap conquest->transfer server->cap conquest->repeat

Happened on cata classic last year I think

[jolly sierra]

i am an owner in another server

and ye, can do the same lol

but ngl ppl are quite pricks sometimes

[spring bough]

hmmmmmmmmm might have to take a test

if i get banned im sending the bill

[jaunty osprey]

Im surprised that they dont have

[spring bough]

now that surely would get rolled back, right? lmao

[jaunty osprey]

the conq weps

if they earned that much conq

[spring bough]

do they have the achieive done?

[jaunty osprey]

maybe it resets achievement and season earned conq to 0? Idek

[spring bough]

would make sense it reset to 0 if he can get 1600 more conq on another server

achieve would still think hes at 1600/2500

500 bloody token WQ is active in hallowfall

[potent pivot]

Yep

Unfortunately sparks quest pretty much caps you

Some other regular WQs are also awarding 100 BT

[jaunty osprey]

All regular WQs give 100 BT!

with WM on

[potent pivot]

Some of them show it in the tooltip

Some haven’t given me any

It’s been inconsistent since patch

[gleaming pawn]

I wasn’t getting sparks from several undermine WQ last night too. It’s all just buggy as hell

[severe helm]

LOL

thats actually

so fucking stupid

that they would patch that out

but everyone who did it keeps it

0/10 classic blizzard L

[dapper chasm]

So were people just talking out their asses about this keeping sockets thing or did I fuck it somehow?

[severe helm]

horrible leadership jeez thats just dumb as all hell

[severe helm]

you missed it

it was real

then they patched it

[dapper chasm]

This is day 1, how can I miss it?

[severe helm]

so now youre 50000 honor behind them

[dapper chasm]

Oh, no, I'm still rich from cata - I buy the gems

[severe helm]

still gotta farm that honor

5000 per gem

[dapper chasm]

I ENJOY BGs

2k per gem on Stormscale

[severe helm]

5k per socket...

[jaunty osprey]

It’s the same on every server

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, I'll be doing BGs even at cap

[severe helm]

yeah its an item from the vendor bro

[jaunty osprey]

It isnt server wide prices

[severe helm]

well thats just stupid lol

[jaunty osprey]

it’s region wide

[severe helm]

why wouldnt you spend your cap

[gilded gulch]

You had to upgrade to s2 gear before they fixed it.

to keep sockets

[severe helm]

also again the SOCKET is still 5k honor

[dapper chasm]

I eventually get everything I want and cba to get those lockboxes

[jaunty osprey]

5k honour is like nothing

[dapper chasm]

I already got one I know

[jaunty osprey]

in BGB it’s slow but if you shuf or arena

[dapper chasm]

This

[severe helm]

depends how often you get to play

[jaunty osprey]

you get it so fast

with honour flask popped

[severe helm]

I play like a few hours per week

[jaunty osprey]

So do I

[dapper chasm]

So does everyone

[jaunty osprey]

I work 7 AM - 9 PM

[severe helm]

lol no you dont

[jaunty osprey]

???

[severe helm]

bro you had 6 rogues

with hundreds of games each

[dapper chasm]

What is this convo? Who plays the least?

[severe helm]

im just saying people play different amounts

[jaunty osprey]

Over 6 month span, 400 games played per rogue is nothing wat

I play 3 hrs a day

[severe helm]

so while it might feel like honor cap is quick for you

it might not be for others

[severe helm]

I said a few hours per week lol

[gilded gulch]

You know whats so rare to find

[severe helm]

3 hrs a day is a lot

[dapper chasm]

Again, BGs and Arena are pretty much all I do

[gilded gulch]

The crate that gives one of the socket items

I only got one by accident

thinking it was a regular crate

[severe helm]

im not questioning how fast you get sockets

im telling you that some people take longer to get them

and 5k is not a tiny amount of honor

[dapper chasm]

Fuck those guys

[severe helm]

I am those guys lol

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-turn-around-yeah-uh-gif-26658733

[gleaming pawn]

I have only ever seen one. Everyone was fighting over it so no one got it. Such a good system 🙄

[spring bough]

https://wago.io/VExHgWSbs for any new KIR rogues out there if u want it

"kir is a mess" on the comments so updates will come lol

[potent pivot]

yeh idk how much u can trust those WAs

[agile kite]

is outlaw that much harder than assa?

[severe helm]

I wouldnt trust them

[potent pivot]

to be up to date with reroll rules

[severe helm]

kir rules are weird for when to roll

best to just read outlaw-faq

[gilded gulch]

yeah i just saw it in the dead of night

[severe helm]

theyre simple to understand if you use zac's buff tracking wa that colors the buffs

just takes a bit of getting used to

[jaunty osprey]

A lot of the ones in Outlaw channel are updated fairly fast

with the reroll rules

[agile kite]

how fucked am i if i dont use WA on outlaw

i never use WA

[jaunty osprey]

you don’t NEED to

But it helps

[dapper chasm]

POP QUIZ: What is the name of that gem you can only have 1 of?

[severe helm]

like not any wa? I mean youll survive if you play HO

[jaunty osprey]

if you can use your eyes, you’re fine

[agile kite]

whats HO

[jaunty osprey]

Hidden oppo

[severe helm]

hidden opportunity

[agile kite]

damn dude im about to have to watch 30 outlaw videos tonight to learn this

[severe helm]

its the talent build that uses ambush for outlaw

there arent any videos for outlaw really

unfortunately

[agile kite]

i am FUCKED

:3

[severe helm]

wowhead guide is good

or #outlaw-faq

[agile kite]

i want 2100 in blitz for weapons this season, thought outlaw seemed fun but if its too high iq im going assa

[severe helm]

its not

but assa is easier yeah

they removed a lot of the free stuff outlaw had in blitz

so you cant fast cap anymore

so you have to just play it like a rogue and win fights and shit

[agile kite]

mewo needs some color discord rank name or something, mewo i think you answer 90% of the time ive had questions here

[gleaming pawn]

Enduring Bloodstone. You can only equip one gem from the Bloodstone family

[severe helm]

yeah I check in on disc while my stuff compiles at work lol

[jaunty osprey]

Well Enduring is bugged for most CCs

Enduring doesn’t work on stuns that deal damage

[dapper chasm]

Correct, your peepee grows by 1.5cm

[severe helm]

yeah this is sad to know

[jaunty osprey]

Lasso, maim, shockwave, etc etc etc

[severe helm]

Guess I can guiltlessly run the crit one

mo dam

pew pew

[potent pivot]

he is yellow

[severe helm]

LOL

hes not wrong

[jaunty osprey]

Movement speed!!!!

[dapper chasm]

Sexy bracers finished

[severe helm]

as outlaw lol

like I need that

[jaunty osprey]

Actually insane how fast rogues move in stralth with it

run speed is nearly mount

[severe helm]

yeah esp as NE

[jaunty osprey]

Stealth*

[agile kite]

is there a shothand for outlaw gearing rn? or should i just look at what ladder is using

[severe helm]

I think im at like 165%

[severe helm]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[agile kite]

based yet again

[severe helm]

just follow that

for embelishments id recommend the gem one that procs and does damage

[jaunty osprey]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[jaunty osprey]

!guide

[lethal roost]

Rogue Guides:
WoWhead: https://www.wowhead.com/classes#rogue
Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides

[potent pivot]

ladder gear is gonna be all over the place for the next few weeks

[jaunty osprey]

!gear

smh

[severe helm]

I personally put the embelishment on belt/boots cuz I think theres only mastery boots for leather

[jaunty osprey]

nope

bloody token boots

haste vers

[agile kite]

!talents

[jaunty osprey]

and there is i think smth else too for conq

not just vers mast

[spring bough]

6 casts of KS for 12 mil exact

[severe helm]

not worth the ilvl drop imo

[spring bough]

so 2 mil average per cast LMAo

[severe helm]

in the long term that is

you dont need that many items with haste

esp if youre playing HO

[jaunty osprey]

ya but atm, it’s better to just get bloody token boots

[severe helm]

so I do crit/vers boots crafted and crit vers belt

yeah for sure

[jaunty osprey]

and use heraldry for jewellery

[severe helm]

Im too lazy to optimize the gearing path

[agile kite]

does outlaw seem any better in s2?

[severe helm]

I just optimize for fully geared

[jaunty osprey]

because u will outgrow use of bloody token

so fast

[severe helm]

trickster was buffed significantly

so you do more cleave damage than before

[jaunty osprey]

well doing it ur way makes u actually fall behind

[severe helm]

but its early so its hard to say

[jaunty osprey]

because you’re gonna be spending conq on tier slots

[severe helm]

other way around no?

[jaunty osprey]

so you have nothing to spend your bloody tokens on

since there are no rings and neck

[severe helm]

I mean you can just honor boots

with embelishment

instead of bloody token boots

with no embel

[jaunty osprey]

ya but you shouldnt be spending epic heraldry on boots/belt so early

[severe helm]

you dont need to

[sturdy canopy]

I mean this early in the season it's not gonna matter

[severe helm]

you can just make them as honor crafted

[jaunty osprey]

Well embellishment scales with ilvl

[severe helm]

yeah I meant in the long term

[jaunty osprey]

so

you want embellish on your epics

lol

[severe helm]

yeah still better than bloody token with no embel haha

id rather bloody token some other piece

like cloak or whatever

something that I wont have an embelishment on

[jaunty osprey]

nah I’m saying cause you said you put embellishment on belt/boot

[severe helm]

yeah

[jaunty osprey]

im just putting it out there

That no1 should copy you

[severe helm]

where are you saying to put embel?

[jaunty osprey]

for that

[dapper chasm]

What tinkers are the least terrible for BGs/WPvP?

I like alarm-o

[jaunty osprey]

rings and necks

[severe helm]

thats bad for outlaw

cuz you want more vers than that

[past pagoda]

whats the first main piece you guys are buying for pvp with conquest?

[dapper chasm]

Chest

[severe helm]

you want as few pieces to be even secondaries

as possible

unless you play KiR then you need it

but as HO you want to avoid crafted neck/rings

[jaunty osprey]

idk if the math adds up, especially when simming

[past pagoda]

chest the way to go then for now?

[jaunty osprey]

you’re gonna hit vers DR values this season

[potent pivot]

depends on spec
check: https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[jaunty osprey]

2 crafted jewellery is fine

[severe helm]

you hit them last season

didnt matter

vers is still better past 30%

the dr isnt that big

outlaw secondaries are just that bad

[jaunty osprey]

I don’t think sim will agree w that

[severe helm]

crit MIGHT be worth it this season

but in the sim

it isnt

it does unfortunately haha

you can check the !fuu bis gear for outlaw

[jaunty osprey]

dam

[potent pivot]

outlaw stats are unironically trash in pve too, its bad

[severe helm]

yep

even without the crit nerf

so WITH the pvp crit nerf

I just dont see how vers isnt our best stat even to 40%

[sturdy canopy]

Surely you want some haste on outlaw anyway so buy boots and maybe cloak with bloodys
Get 2 crafted rings with verse
Spend conq on tier
Seems the way for me

[severe helm]

yeah you want to get to 8-10%

but that doesnt tkae much

[dapper chasm]

Do we still lose socket if we upgrade 665 gear to epic?

[potent pivot]

no

[spring bough]

kir trickster is so busted

[severe helm]

ye

oh

what?

WAIT

[spring bough]

its not even funny how busted this is

[severe helm]

its only if you got o honor???

[potent pivot]

no

[severe helm]

HAHAHAHAHA

[dapper chasm]

So it's worth making 665 at least

[potent pivot]

read his message again bro