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im actually excited for keys this season
same kinda
i'm still not 100% sure i'm going to pve but i kinda want to
and the gilded crests being rewarded earlier keys now and minimum 16 is gonna make gearing so eazy
2.5k and 3k mounts? Would you mind linking to me I hate searching on my phone cause its old
1 upgrade after a run instead of 1 after 2 runs
pve is usually pretty fun up to a point
Thanks. i get lost on sin with where Crimson Tempest belongs, does it belong in the doomblade/sbs opener?
like getting portals is usually decently fun
portals are awesome. have so many lol
pushing past that is when lfg starts to be entirely dead and super meta slave
you only CT if you can hit 2 or more targets. its lower prio than garrote/ruptures though
may the blizz gods bless us by noon, and bring back warband transfers for today, please
servers up?
got extended till 12pm
most people run engineering? or is it mixed these days?
doesn't matter
there's no player power behind professions
you might have to be engi to use goggles, but not everyone uses goggles, and they're only used for stats etc
will i save money by making my own gear or not really?
eh
you'd have to invest money to level up the profession
so if you're only doing it to craft your own stuff i'm pretty sure it's a loss
yeah, thats what i thought
Looking forward to getting conquest gear for the first time this season. I just got to 80 recently and only have honor gear and it has been rough. Only have about 3600k health and it seems like half of the other dps players can kill me in 2 shots lol 😆
i do atleast 1 bloody token piece into tier at the start of every season lol
a big one too so i can save conquest lmao
like, pre 1.6k?
should be able to get 2set week1 just from conq
there is a rogue one shotted 3-4 ppl he is lvl 27 with shadowblades
any idea how ?
1 shotted lvl 80s
critter exploiting
how
oh conq cap like 1500?
1600
they increased it?
same as s1
It's pretty balanced this time around
yeye
Lots of sub and sin rogues will use heraldries to craft weapon week 1 too
ye thats a waste
Crafted has bis stats + embellishment and 13 ilvl 2 week asvantage
you can embellish anything
crafting a wep puts u ahead for 2 weeks and behind the rest of the season, its a waste
I mean I disagree but is what it is
good stats on 1 piece compared to being behind an entire slot for the rest of the season
you can disagree thats fine, but its 100% stupid to do
Most people are using heraldries week one on rings anyway so it's hardly a difference.
And you can call it stupid but tons of rank 1s will do it to so
who cares
half of them regretted doing it in s1
see u there lmao
gl NA guys as you will be EU guinea pigs again lol
Yep
That was fucking fast lmao
YE
That’s giga
The crafted gear just requires the new mats is all
S1 pvp crafted gear is keeping sockets, recraft it all with honor/conquest heraldries.
Blizzard fixed recrafting S1 gear retaining their sockets.
why
Damn keeping sockets is amazing, I have to wonder if that was all on purpose
OOOOOOOOOOOOF
still cant xfer honor RIP
hope so
saves a fuck ton of honor if so
i def wasn't looking forward to re socketing 8chars
i am recrafting too tho
who wouldn't
people without gold
I just hope the crafters haven’t caught on by the time I get home, so they aren’t jacking up the prices
are these people in the room with us

pve players are all going to be going for pvp stuff
when eu will be live ?
for the first 1-2 weeks
after reset
so like tomorrow? idk when eu reset is exactly
what do u think guys of outlaw in pvp
its good
all 3 rogue specs are looking really good still so far
only a couple OP things left to nerf like mm hunter/ww monk
probably more warrior nerfs etc
cant wait boys
I confirmed from a guildy it doesn't seem MMR reset
thinking of going sub/outlaw and not touching assas
tbh
got 12k honor stacked up for tomorrow
gonna go for the full set
im stressed
running randoms to honor gear out when i have the honor sitting on alts
but cant xfer it lol
Are they Furious?
Do they need Protection?
joined ashran
DK soloed high warlord
250 conquest GG
got my crafting epic items lol
do i go wep / jewelry or all jewelry lol
Is the meta expected to change from assa to sub in the new season or not?
that way it doesn't put you behind a slot of gear later
Free weapons with achievement week 3
there's barely a pvp meta unless you're in the top 100
Ty, but more so asking if I should maybe swap specs if there was a big hit to assa or something
no
Are we keeping 2pc from S1 like in pve?
no
replace insta with honor shit
why not just buy an honor wep
Theres arguably a meta for lower rated games
thats entirely different than top 100 meta
It's assa hands down
and if anything more relevant lol imo
wep made and ring upgraded love this shit lol
like people should more realistically release tier lists for 0-2000, 2k-2.4, 2.4-2.7, 2.7+
cuz the metas arent even remotely the same
It's too complicated and a high rated PvPer is going to see things differently at low rating.
Depends if youre trying to be objective or not but yeah
Theres a lot of high rated players who are bad at that
and can only consider the games that they are playing and not the rest of the bracket
you keep s1 enchants and sockets
recrafting
Temporary advantage for melee can be big and you set yourself back 1 single item by a week and it'll be less consequential
you can recraft your s1 gear
I see
from conq DOWN to honor
but up in ilvl
I didnt know it let you do that
yeah
You forget you can turn bloody token gear to tier 2
yeeee
all my jewelry with enchants and gems getting upgraded, bracer and belt too thats got a gem on it
saving so much honor on gems this season
i don't see a point in using BT gear for tier
you only get 2 catalyst charges this week
does blind clear bleeds still or didnt that change for this season
bout to go AOE blind fk gouge lmao
Still does.
lagging so bad on this game
unreal
20 years later still cant launch a new season properly
im not lagging at all skill issue
bro lol
undermine on tich is so bad rn
i press a button like KS and im stuck for 20 seconds
guys is there any point in playing sub with an off hand thats not a dagger?
i saw a few people doing that
no
for the love of god
do not ever do that
those people you saw are idiots
also this skirmish deserter update to being more than 1 min debuff is crazy
for my tier set on outlaw, think ima exclude shoulders and go for legs sincec thats got a ton of crit
it's either that or the chest yeah
unfortunately everything has a fuckload of mastery
good for sub/sin, meh for law
im like an hour away on honor grinding RIP lol
any1 knows if they hard reset mmr?
They never do a hard reset between seasons in an expansion, only between expansions
They just lower it to eliminate artificial inflation, but I'm not sure to what extent
damn
sparks done thank the lord
just mmr!
There’s haste vers legs
From a WQ I believe
In ringing deeps
662 pvp ilvl
Boots *
oh shit
lets gooo
i feel like playing dirty deeds this season for some reason lol
Is your gear scaling fucked too?
Check ilvl inside an arena
Yeah but not always I think?
Just saw Nahj had like 7m hp one game then 9m the next
His character sheet showed all of his gear scales to 650
unseen blade is almost always top 3 dmg rrn
for me in arena
pretty epic
ew i just got a loading screen on the correway
Is that not suppose to happen?
no lol
outlaw rogue should go for more haste next season to counter the loss of 10% haste talent?
Uh oh
ive ggot atleast 18 right now in pvp lol
shouldnt you go for 25% haste cap for ADR windows?
Stealth and Alacrity add to the haste
The haste PvP talent didn’t matter really
It was just extra
alacrity will cover the diff
even as KIR without take em by surprise

getting talent names wrong lmao

ok so let say between 5% and 10% unbuffed, then vers>crit>mastery as usual?
actually i went overrboard on haste im at 24% rn in pvp LMAO
Ok, you know the exact % in order to have the extra gcd during a cheap shot opener?
I bet out of adr you feel great
It’s an extra gcd in a kidney
I don't remember exactly how the gcd is calculated during ADR windows
KIR feels fast out of ADR
not gonna lie
the enemy was 1500 lol
placements do be wild
18-20 for KiR 8-10 for HO
ive got 5 rolls and then rerrrolled into 5 like 3-4 times already today
this is WICKED
love getting 3 rolls then reroll and end up with all of them lol
KiR build is good now in pvp? Havent played since a few months
It has been for a while
its the same as before
its harder to play
i played trickster the whole season pretty much
and good players will fuck you on your crackshots and thats when KiR starts to feel really bad
That's because you're a real one
Just get 24% haste like VanCleef
but losing quad grapple sucks into certain comps
my fat ass kul tiran moving at LIGHT SPEED
actually cooked bc i wanted to move honor around from some alts
yeah randoms is aids rn
also mounting to bases in randoms feels infinitely slower than blitz
preemptive, drink me up, smoke bomb my new pvp talents too
you joining us for season 2?
KIR time
I am

PIRATE SEASON
Yeah tho I'm probably gonna pve until we get 4 cata charges
Well
I can use my pvp gear for pve
It is vers heavy
I know trinkets are sim bait
im getting 2 set TN
i took the afternoon off LOL
5 ilvl to go for shuffle
Really get the bfa outlaw feel
cant wait to upgrade my legs n belt and not have to reembelish or enchant or gem
lol
pew pew pew
dam cant wait to play 
Graveyard shift had me crashed
Then dont craft and wait?
Yep
I’m prolly going to use my purple heraldries on jewelry
Since were keeping sockets
Then blue heraldries on the rest of my shit
oh the prized heralds going for so much again
time to get rich again
lets gooooooooo
im going to do whatever @potent pivot tells me to do....more than likely
make a wep i did already and upgraded a ring too LOL
tis the rogue way
Is this the way? Full honor for now lol
Does anyone get a weird bug in battlegrounds where extra unit frames appear on the right hand side?
Looks like party frames
Is there a bis for rogues already?
Electric Shock
It`s a vendor item in Dornogal, for 500 honor for 5 of them
It's used in world pvp and normal bgs
No, but it’ll be basically the exact same thing as last season
first shuffle inc
lets gooooooo
enhance is insane
i popped smoked and he insta killed this feral
LOL
KIR is godly holy fuck this is insane
1 milly dps for round 2
unseen blade top dmg behind flurry lol
4-2 first lobby lets gooooo
like when someone picks up a flag or gem yeah
im gonna cry if they didnt intend to upgrade crafteds and roll this lol
Can it be switched off?
not that i know of. sometimes it bugs out and doesnt show properly
They should just hire me to make the next UI already
It's particularly annoying as it shows DRs on those frames
Just make your WAs disable those frames 😉
can we still not transfer honor?
Aye, they are there for quick seeing who has the flag. I’m assuming you have that displayed elsewhere?
No, I just don't need that
I got eyes and a map
I'm a big believer of not having the same info up twice in any form
Nameplates being a begrudging exception
Eh I agree with that, clutter and double storing of info is cancer
But the frames let you quickly target said carrier too
So they are beneficial
So best bet this week seems to be heraldries on jewelry, conquest chest and gloves( or similar) and token 700 piece and cloak
I can't see a situation where it's beneficial to click that over the model
1 tier down 3 to go
Outlaw seems tier helm first go handedly 1000 vers
Also, hold up. What are you doing in BGs? Mr. I only ever do Arena @dapper chasm
Maybe I’m remembering you only do rated in Arena. But this clearly means you shall push big rating in Blitz
exactly what i bought
goes so well with purple plunderlord set lol
No, only RATED is arena
EARLY THIRTIES
Married with multiple kids, you’re old af sir
Are you guys getting the quest that gives you crafting materials for pvp?
I'm not seeing it or getting it
Have you won a BG yet? It comes from a winning box
I won arenas
No idea then, I only ever get mine from BGs because I don’t queue the first week with all the bullshit. But I am pretty sure it’s supposed to come from Arena as well
Have you tried BEING the bullshit?
this new event schedule on the world map is baller
I'm noticing the game is more faster paced this season, it's great!
this still the play? Conquest chest ---> Catalyze then shoulders?
first blitz win of the season inc too
feeling good so far for season 2
oh wow 288 rating from first blitz win... last season it was 192
666 ilvl feelin wicked
just need to gem helm and im done with gems for the season lmaoo
Nevermind, the tuning was already posted and is not actually new today
If that’s true, that’s huge and also about fucking time
confirmed
verse/mast conq dag
DONT CRAFT WEP
im buying fist wep just for the mog lol
sword too
both are sick finally something i wanna use lol
prized tabard looks sick too
Outlul doesn’t lose much of anything dual wielding 1h anyway

I wonder how many are going to craft a wep just to realize that
did they fix the sparks yet
how assass rogue feeling
Are we losing that much dam from coins to play trickster
Yes
I got two from killing some horde fighting for the war chest
KS costs 3 globals
they're basically equal now
wild but so much fun lol
Batman class doing unhealable damage
36% verse too much or too little
lmao
might have like 28% haste now too
lol
they removed cloak cap????
idts?
No more veil of midnight
Man I can't decide on what 4 toons to focus on
Everything looks fun
itt wont let me cap flags
when i have cloak active
this is bullshit
i hope its just an addon fudding me rn
No xfers
BGs if u need honor
they're easy to steam roll even in s1 gear
epics are going quick even wintergrasp
Can I do anything else with honor on another toon if I can’t xfer ?
buy/sell bloodstones or gear out that toon 😛
unseen blades topping BTE lmao
wild shit
how is kenpachi almost 1800 wtf
now he is 1800 lmao
so hows this new tier item work? we need an item to upgrade? used to just be off a vendor lol
yes you have to catalyst a second item now
whats with the horde getting boxes holy shit lol
an outlaw, sub, sin and a BM walk into a solo shuffle.....
with a resto sham and disc
its turned off rn
hunter pad
remove the flurry still top lmao
unseen blade as well
shit we gotta do the rest of the campaign this week eh
or those guys are just meh, c'mon lol
sinnen over here smurfing and shaming the other rogues

i use radiant for both
4-2'd that lobby
sin rogue went full BM the one lobby instead of sub >.>
1/9 tier mog items down
OMG with this new honor pvp gear I can actually take people down sometimes! 😃
FINALLY
depths ye
ig we gotta do campaign to do sparks on alts
that sucks lol
well i haven't tried
my BM gonna take me a minute then
lemme try rq
i just assumed
because the rest of the campaign that came out this week is what gives us the skip for alts
nvm maybe we don't have to
it lets me zone in and i can see the wpvp wq already
i have gotten atleast 10 rolls with 5 buffs tonight
last shuffle i had 5 rolls in round 5 and 6 lol
full min duration too shits wild
they restored spark and bloody token drops
thank the lord
got my second world pvp epic
wdym
Just logged in. Do I have to do any pve/quests right now or can I get right to the conquest grind?
just the sparks weekly basically
make sure u check the pin
oh the seasonal mount is actually pretty cool
players werent givin bloody tokens on kills earlierr
probably my favorite since BFA season 1
only BGs?
Ok so I should buy full honor gear right now
then recraft my old crafted gear
with sockets
as I get conq
do I buy full honor gear?
no
for your neck/rings you should get the purple heraldries first
so you can recraft them to conq level
So I buy all honor besides neck and rings?
and whatever you're going to use bloody token gear on
KIR trickster is so broken this isnt even funny lol
you can honor recraft any other socketed gear
i recrafted my bracers n belt with gems
sorry lol
u can craft it to the new honor level
yeah outlaw getting nerfed
calling it now shit is too lit
feel like im bullying people just standing in tons of damage dicking them down hard lmao
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
monks are op rn
you doing kir trickster?
yeah
pog
whats the duration of the set bonus
8/10 of my Killing Spree was CCd too
the stacking buff
there is no duration on it
it stays on until u dispatch and it gets removed
15% chance dispatch removes it
i dont get what makes trickster KIR good
is it just passive damage like when mastery was OP
You alrdy have two set? @spring bough
nothing special
trickster got buffed
yeah just copped it helm and gloves lol
kir is preference
trickster always been the GOAT
nah
we get 2
1 for free
cause the 1600 is an additional cata charge. so dont expect a free item. gotta use conq on it
1 from 1.6k
i feel like the same build from last season is insane atm too, outlaw feeling good
helm and gloves it is tho
What MMR were you at last season
is what im rocking rn
And what MMR are you at now
was like 2480 and every que todays been around 2200
That's pretty decent
i wanna q but too many chores first 
dreadblades mog from legion goes hard with elite set
its the curved blades one with the teal color
the goldish color on the swords kinda matches the fringe on the tier too
what is the illusion for the season
more trash
How are you not energy starved routinely with this
if you play properly for ADR uptime you shouldn't feel too starved ever
that much haste only adds like 1-2 globals for an entire minute
yeah i need to recraft a ring to crit
gloves for tier gave me too much
1k from gloves
crazy. I'm running outlaw this season just got my 2 guys setup
wish we could run all 3 specs early on 1 rogue
someone already whispered me about the mog lol
Show mog
Is there a pin or link for optimal gearing rn. A little confused on the recrafts like last guy
tough
there is a gearing faq in the pins but i didn't add anything on the recrafts
we didn't know we could recraft season 1 gear and keep sockets until today
pea brain on big body
Meh
ffffffffff
i cant understand why the elite weps are purple when the elite mog is teal lol
gonna have to get the heroic color for it to be close
if you don't know how to recraft gear, you should be able to google a youtube guide
if you've got any questions feel free to ask
i might make a more in depth guide on crafting/recrafting but i've already got a lot going on ngl
Fat fingered the send button
@potent pivot
do u wanna see
what i did
with my gear
i think this is the best option for week 1
bloody token cape, bloody token gloves
pretty much yep
so with this season, which rogue spec is shaping up to be the best?
Spec?
Best?
im looking to hit 1800 easy for the elite gear
fair enough, I know that some glad players i watch say that there's usually one rogue spec that's particularly good
well, that's good at least. time to learn outlaw in pvp lmao
it's aimed shot
hopefully this is with the mark damage so
not too sure
doesnt look like it look how far ahead #1 dmg that is
hypothetically, aimed shot -> arcane shot -> aimed shot
ive been facing MMs all day
and it's insane
MM and destro
both 4-5m bolt/aimed shot
can watch mes stream and see
Yeah it’s kinda hilarious they let it go live like this
Surv also has some cheese
nerf sub
ya but coordinated assault is long cd
coordinated assault spearhead flank
so telegraphed
with full mastery build
i might run deft maneuvers. all these pets. flooding with CPs every BF lol
it's 1min isn't it? or did they start running the other CA talent
check pvp isnt updated right people arnt 3k in shuffle rn ya
everything takes some time to update on new season
murlok will also be useless for most classes for like a week or two
ya 1 min
still kinda long if playing the cheese
cause u dont do dmg outside of it
rly
mm
yeah just gotta get the conq gear for that champ lvl stats
blizz fix the fucking honor xferf
it becomes blue if u upgrade it to 8/8 w/e track its on
ranks havent meant anything in literal years
though i was doing sparks quest on priest and it gave me to 50 sparks then world quests stoped giving me sparks
xfer has been turned off for like a week now or some shit
disc
hpal likely still good
mw likely better than last season
rsham about the same
holy might be better than last season but likely still poopy
rdruid is weird
they took away tranq immune
and gave them a huge tree form where they're immune to CC but slow af
so now they can just die
pres likely about the same as last season
@jaunty osprey thoughts
hpal good
MW sucks
rsham meh
disc priest insane
rdruid meh
pres same
ive played with meep, montage, mgxo, and flop so far this season
i love it
to draw those conclusions
i think its a decent set
my main gripes are all the shit cluttering the neck
and the bottom half of the set looks kinda plain compared to the top
gun in the beltt a nice touch
yeah
i wish they put a bit more effort into the gloves/boots n stuff
but overall it's nice looking
im all for the skull accents on it
the normal glad set looks good too with the green n purple
hunters definitely won the best set this season imo
i am def going for full mythic set
i like the DK one too
shaman set is bunz asf compared to the last few seasons
monk is pretty good helm is godly
the monk set looks like a meme lool
fucking Goku dragon

wait you don't like the shaman set??
How’s assass rogue feeling so far
about the same, still good
Is sub better
I main rsham and think they’re good so
i rarely think any spec is better than another
they're all really good at what they do
good into certain match ups etc
Assass has always been my fav
one of them would have to be pretty dogshit for me to think it's worse
disc/hpal still
My first shuffle today on disc was 2100 mmr
because mmr was only soft reset
and just playin games
Just play ur games and ur chillin
not mmr, rating already
Well ur rating is to match mmr
So they just played games
If ur cr is less than ur mmr and u win u will gain more cr than if ur cr=ur mmr or cr>mmr
Disc is for sellouts
I always heal on disc
I even healed on disc in s3 dragonflight when it was poop and holy priest was bis
Meh. Holy is cringe anyway
#delete holy priest
I main rsham and have hpal too, but I think I’m gonna level my priest
Cuz I wanna try shadow
I heal on monk and evoker as well but they arnt as fun as disc
Never have been never will
I’ll play both disc and shadow
any game you get 5 RTBs buffs, you can end it
easy
the pump is real
esp when u turn them into 1min buffs
do we know how much conq cap goes up each week?
600
yes
@spring bough 
xD Fr tho! down bad for sparks out here ðŸ˜
just needed those last bloody tokens for cap lmaoooo
meh
bro I am cooked
i cannot do damage in 3s
maybe its just because we fought all spellcleaves
with the recrafting keeping sockets, did you still go with bloody token belt and cloak? I had crafted all of the off pieces except for the cloak last season before I took my break
@potent pivot
cloak+X
i haven't spent mine yet ngl
ivan went cloak+gloves
wouldn't go belt if u have a crafted belt with sockets
ofc
ah good to know about the gloves, ty. Was looking at the stats and they are really bad if we end up going for 4p
yup
Im about to yolo buy the mace & hate myself next week

what mace are you talking about even
that's why u buy the gloves
because it's vers mastery
you dont convert them
into tier
so pog
for us
yeah so nice to see good stating on our gear finally
this whole crafted system was a blessing in disguise
Verse Master mace from bloody tokens
For sub rogue
It'd be a meme to hit hard for a few days
this would be the most troll thing you could ever buy
ever
ever
Its making me want to do it so bad
even if you bought it 3 months from now
sub does not use anything but daggers now
D.A.G.G.E.R.S.
im a boomer how do i get to the undermine
remember all of the people arguing that the new shadow tech would not be worth that little bit of mastery on the offhand? good times
gotta do the questline on at least one character. You'll get a teleport pad to the zone after a few quests in the chain
not even gonna mog it
like
if you were talking about buying the conq dagger
it'd still be troll because free weapons in 2 weeks
but a mace for sub is basically -10% dps
This is big brain moves
gonna go the whole season without mogging my rog
shits getting expensive
any ideas on what would be a good item to buy with conquest for sub rogues
chest/shoulders -> catalyze both
i made a thread for gearing
ty!!
yea i checked it out but i wasnt sure if it included sub rogues
but seems like its the go to for all specs
yeah
i noted anything that differentiates between specs
like enchants/tier
it's mostly a week 1/2 FAQ
its very helpful cus when things are timegated it feels really bad to waste currency on something not as beneficial
yepyep
can be a bit frustrating trying to decide
just make sure
that you're aware of the s1 sockets staying on any crafted gear if you recraft them
that's probably the most important new change
wdym
Is currency transfer still locked?
prolly
I have so much honour on useless alts





