At least from an assa perspective where resyealths are everything
#pvp
hidden moth
surreal ravine
they should give rogues a special build for bg's only, now we got fucked in bg's because you arena rogues forced them to nerf pvp rogues
dapper chasm
With 2x Vanish and 2x ShD it feels less relevant to me as sub
hidden moth
Though there is an argument in bgb for fat human racial since u can sap at lm or some other place and racial them off the map
hidden moth
With 2x Vanish and 2x ShD it feels less relevant to me as sub
I can see that
dapper chasm
Though there is an argument in bgb for fat human racial since u can sap at lm or...
What's that?
dapper chasm
I skipped a few xpacs
A stun and knockback racial?
Like the boomkin pushback or worse?
jolly sierra
kul tirans
dapper chasm
BIGGER?
hidden moth
But it also stuns you
jolly sierra
have it as they have heavy hands
hidden moth
So u can’t even use glide or a jump to save urself
dapper chasm
As in you can DR yourself for stuns?
dapper chasm
I used to want to go goblin, but that sounds even more whack
hidden moth
Yes but say efc at waterfall in twin peaks, u sap em and punch em, they are stunned while being knocked back so 0 counter play unless they trinket quickly but generally that wont happen
So u just kill efc in 2 gcd
dapper chasm
The only thing I hate about belf now is it requires a GCD
jolly sierra
once i saw a goblin being punched in an EOTS and dying by falling in the void
i laughed a lot watching that
potent pivot
they should give rogues a special build for bg's only, now we got fucked in bg's...
bro what
dapper chasm
Yes but say efc at waterfall in twin peaks, u sap em and punch em, they are stun...
Now that you mentioned it, I have a muscle memory reflex to tap ShS when knocked back and noticed it not working a while back
Was probably that then
potent pivot
if you're talking about Veil being removed i HIGHLY doubt it was removed because of arena
that shit was only taken into a couple specs
severe helm
they should give rogues a special build for bg's only, now we got fucked in bg's...
???
hidden moth
severe helm
nothings even close
hidden moth
@dapper chasm
severe helm
if you're talking about Veil being removed i HIGHLY doubt it was removed because...
you actually dont run veil a lot of the time cuz its considered an "immunity" and you cant cap the flag with cloak up if you have veil talented
hidden moth
Now that you mentioned it, I have a muscle memory reflex to tap ShS when knocked...
Ye same
dapper chasm
<@506443451320107009>
The guy somehow fucked it up by not looking around first
severe helm
so if you want to cloak cap on like a mage or caster you have to explicitly not run veil
surreal ravine
where is the survivability without shadowduel and pvp talent cloak
dapper chasm
you actually dont run veil a lot of the time cuz its considered an "immunity" an...
THAT'S WHY I DROPPED THE FLAG THAT ONE TIME
Holy shit, learning so much today
hidden moth
The guy somehow fucked it up by not looking around first
Ye this a rando not Seth but concept is the same
potent pivot
you actually dont run veil a lot of the time cuz its considered an "immunity" an...
l0l
hidden moth
where is the survivability without shadowduel and pvp talent cloak
Press feint
severe helm
THAT'S WHY I DROPPED THE FLAG THAT ONE TIME
well I meant capping flags like on node maps
you cant click nodes with cloak up
if you have veil
but yeah also that
dapper chasm
Yeah, but I dropped in WSG once and was so confused
severe helm
where is the survivability without shadowduel and pvp talent cloak
vanish vanish cloak evasion feint vial
hidden moth
U can’t cloak if u got orb if u are running big cloak
severe helm
U can’t cloak if u got orb if u are running big cloak
yeup
veil is kinda troll most of the time tbh
hidden moth
So when I got that map I always swaped big cloak to dismantle
hidden moth
veil is kinda troll most of the time tbh
Every other map I ran that shit
hidden moth
But what a wish.com immunity it was
Same with evasion
severe helm
I dont run it on node maps cuz then you cant cloak bomb cap on a lot of classes
dapper chasm
I haven't run dismantle in over 10 years
severe helm
dismantle is op
dapper chasm
Keep forgetting to hit the bind
dapper chasm
Same with evasion
Wait, evasion? That doesn't drop the flag
severe helm
its only at the start of it
jolly sierra
tbh having it removed is not a kind of big deal
severe helm
cuz cloak is a pseudo immunity
hidden moth
Wait, evasion? That doesn't drop the flag
No no I meant evasion is also a wish.com immune
dapper chasm
What's like the 2-3 top biggest "Fuck you" dismantles right now?
jolly sierra
unless i played against assa or feral
severe helm
but its long enough to troll you
hidden moth
What's like the 2-3 top biggest "Fuck you" dismantles right now?
Mm hunter
jolly sierra
else i wont miss it xd
severe helm
What's like the 2-3 top biggest "Fuck you" dismantles right now?
into dance
into pillar
hidden moth
Mm hunter and mm hunter
severe helm
into fury/arms
dapper chasm
Which CDs I meant?
jolly sierra
basically is returning to square one
severe helm
trueshot
hidden moth
True shot war breaker
dapper chasm
Breaker?
severe helm
subterfuge for outlaw
warbreaker sure yeah
but thats a slightly shorter cd than dismantle
severe helm
nah
jolly sierra
or the guy autoattacking u in the pillar
severe helm
ret can press almost everything through disarm
dapper chasm
I don't know these skills properly
jolly sierra
avoiding you to stealth
severe helm
they dgaf
hidden moth
Even hammer?
jolly sierra
ye
dapper chasm
Yeah, ret was always strong vs disarm
severe helm
ret is a caster
jolly sierra
they can hammer on disarm
severe helm
not a melee
hidden moth
FUCK PALA
severe helm
yeup
severe helm
theyre effectively bm hunters
jolly sierra
they cant veredict or crusade strike i recall
severe helm
they can verdict
but cant crusader strike
but they dont even play crusader strike anymore afaik
jolly sierra
no, is not the SL final veredict
severe helm
they play auto crusader
severe helm
ah well they can still hammer of light you and judge you
hidden moth
but they dont even play crusader strike anymore afaik
They take a passive that removes crusader strike but makes every 2nd auto attack they do generate 1 holy power
jolly sierra
ye
severe helm
They take a passive that removes crusader strike but makes every 2nd auto attack...
yep
jolly sierra
basically
hidden moth
Is this the season I learn sub
jolly sierra
i recall they can hammer, blade of justice, the big AOE or execution sentence or wake on u
in that disarm time
dapper chasm
I added warbreaker to my big buff tracker on raven
Trueshot is an oldie I already look out for
This is my current list of things I want glowing when they go off
stoic spruce
You're so OLD
stoic spruce
What were the dinosaurs like?
dapper chasm
Go ask yo mama
dapper chasm
PS. tell her I left my stick-on chest hair at her place
potent pivot
I am not in the mood, son. Go bug your mother.
stoic spruce
I literally just tried
potent pivot
dapper chasm
I am not in the mood, son. Go bug your mother.
Are you the reason I can't see her on Tuesdays and Sundays?
spring bough
I haven’t resubbed yet
vocal surge
Rn it's a crap show for pre season lol
vocal surge
What mistweavers are pulling off rn
spring bough
Disgusting. Might have to fistweave
Cast 0 heals since it’s all passive. Just DPS win every game 😆
vocal surge
Don't even have to do normal fistweaver rotation lol
Crackling Jade Lightning go brrr
dapper chasm
I got back into cigarettes recently
I bet you're the type of guy who doesn't have the NUTS to have cold shower
stoic spruce
I've got news for you bucko
dapper chasm
I'm all ears, friendo
stoic spruce
I take cold shower
dapper chasm
And yet you can't handle wanting something real bad for a week or two
I quit smoking, I'm so good at it, I did it twice
dapper chasm
Oh, I know you CAN
You are CAPABLE
I'm saying you're too soft
Your comfort is so very important to you
stoic spruce
I have a week off at a time and I haven't smoked a single cigarette yet
Riddle me that
dapper chasm
That's worse, you see how that's worse, right?
dapper chasm
It shows that once the discomfort hits a certain level
You come crawling back, again and again
It's not temperance, it's constant failure
dapper chasm
Attempt - Failure - Attempt - Failure
stoic spruce
Jobs are crazy btw
stoic spruce
I can't believe I'm getting pressured by a sub rogue main
stoic spruce
This'll be my only pack
I know because I put one of them filter side down in the pack
dapper chasm
The thing about the last pack, is it might not finish at a convenient time
The true best time was yesterday
The second best time is now
stoic spruce
What my real vice is, is caffeine
dapper chasm
Funny, I quit that a week ago!
Headaches the first 3 days were brutal
But, a man endures
Plus I forgot how tasty tea is
hidden moth
the gf is wanting to learn spriest this comin season for pvp, usually plays hunter but doesnt like the 1800 wants priests instead. ive gotten almost every class to 1800, what bracket should i have her play, should i help her get 1800 and if i do help what spec should i run with her
(ik rogue pvp disc not priest but this class discord is the only one where the pvp section isnt cringe as fuck)
severe helm
the gf is wanting to learn spriest this comin season for pvp, usually plays hunt...
I wouldnt do 2s as sp its pretty weak
if you just want 1800 in general blitz is probably the easiest imo
hidden moth
ya, thats what i was thinking. or have her suffer in shuffle XD
severe helm
sp is not very mobile but applies a lot of pressure and is decent on most maps
3s is always a toss up cuz its pretty sweaty even at 1800
esp early on in the season
hidden moth
i tried 3v3 with her and a friend when she was on hunter and she felt overwhelmed
severe helm
yeah 3s is too fast paced imo
blitz is a good middle ground
I'd suggest you play a meta healer like mw or pres
but to 1800 anything should work
hidden moth
ya, i might just roll w/e healer is popin this season to help her or just have her go disc/holy and carry on one of the roguers
disc is 2nd pvp main for me so worst comes to worst i just do some account sharing
though ik she can do it just fine, just needs to not mald out and put the time and effort in
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot throwing a gouge into rotation actually feels so insane
or even opening with gouge so i dont stun DR before bleeds go out
jaunty osprey
no but i swear it doesnt break
potent pivot
on ptr it felt different
potent pivot
i checked it right after they made the change and again a week or so ago, and it felt diff both times
so not sure how it feels on live yet
been busy
gleaming pawn
I would assume it’s a variable threshold. Like it’s based on the number of damage events and the amount of damage in those events
severe helm
but I get a good 3 seconds out of it
that's so busted lol
stoic spruce
Inb4 "sub deadge"
dark kernel
potent pivot
at least they nerfed all of the OP shit
lucid citrus
yay assa buffs
dapper chasm
lucid citrus
everyone has more health now
potent pivot
ya
dapper chasm
Why are people so afraid of fast paced matches?
potent pivot
noobs
dapper chasm
In all honesty, there seems to be a big move away from mechanics
It's like a no-joke 100% srs fr fr move to appease an aging player base
jaunty osprey
I LOVE IT
potent pivot
i fucking hate it ok
gleaming pawn
It's like a no-joke 100% srs fr fr move to appease an aging player base
Well, in defense of that move. The player base is not getting any younger. Young people don’t really pick up and stick with WoW in any appreciable number, especially in PvP
potent pivot
blizzard being utter noobs at tuning
jaunty osprey
Wasnt there a bug fix with sec tech and shadow blades
gleaming pawn
So making your old ass player base happy only makes sense
jaunty osprey
that’s why it got nerfed
potent pivot
nah
dapper chasm
Well, in defense of that move. The player base is not getting any younger. Young...
But I'm still sharp as a blade...
potent pivot
there was a bug fix yes but it wasn't that impactful in the first place
stoic spruce
Why are people so afraid of fast paced matches?
Sub metas
gleaming pawn
*But I'm still sharp as a blade...*
You’re also on the younger side of the old ass boomers generation of WoWs largest demographic!
potent pivot
the thing that WAS good was the 4p, and nerfing it twice is just hilariously fucked up
it was in a good spot
did not need nerfs in pvp
dapper chasm
They need to remove a good quarter of abilities in arena and remove the GCD from another quarter, then halve the health pools and let people figure it the fuck out
potent pivot
it's a pve centered change
dapper chasm
They also need to properly separate PvE and PvP
Starting with removing abilities in PvP
They did the right thing with PvP abilities, but in the wrong direction
Let world PvP stay the beautiful mess that it is - pots and all
gleaming pawn
PvP would have to be a totally separate game mode/client ala Plunderstorm, for that level of splintering to happen
Which is just far more work than they will put into a game mode that is hated by the general masses
stoic spruce
Not only that but think of the implications
gleaming pawn
And of course then you would have all the troglodytes complaining that they cannot world pvp camp people anymore
hidden moth
fat
halcyon timber
Warriors on forums going nuts already too
halcyon timber
ARms HasNT bEeN gOoD iN yEars type nonsense
Kinda was thinking a bump up for Outlaw was coming too
potent pivot
ngl i think outlaw is in a good spot in pvp
it got some buffs and likely won't lose anything from running 4p
potent pivot
mint horizon
How impactful Sub changes are ?
potent pivot
no way of knowing until season starts really
we didn't even really know where sub stood in pvp for s2 in the first place
too many other classes were over performing this week
so hard to make any real thoughts
ionic orbit
too many other classes were over performing this week
I swear a warlock just about 1 shotted me just now. I know I only just got to 80 and don't have pvp gear yet but still...
potent pivot
yeah if you don't have pvp gear any class will basically one shot you
pvp gear is pretty important
honor gear VS conquest gear isn't a HUGE difference, but if you don't even have honor gear you are basically a walking napkin
ionic orbit
honor gear VS conquest gear isn't a HUGE difference, but if you don't even have ...
are the "mystery items" worth it in the honor shop? like the 3500 glorious contender strongbox?
potent pivot
are the "mystery items" worth it in the honor shop? like the 3500 glorious conte...
can you send a screenshot? not even sure what you mean ngl
but you should just buy the pieces you need outright
ionic orbit
what specs do you guys prioritize? mastery? versatility?
potent pivot
what specs do you guys prioritize? mastery? versatility?
for honor gearing it doesn't matter as much, but yeah vers/mastery. it depends on what spec you're playing too though
hidden moth
this is what ive made on a diff rogue but unsure as to what to move down to stealth bar if i put shiv next to other offensive cds
ionic orbit
for honor gearing it doesn't matter as much, but yeah vers/mastery. it depends o...
I'm sub
potent pivot
for sub yeah vers/mastery and any items you can't get mastery on, get vers/crit
we get new honor gear in like
a few days
so idk if i'd bother spending honor right now
save up honor cap because honor doesn't reset
later on in the new season once you start getting conquest gear you will only go for vers/mastery because we can craft custom pvp gear with our conquest
potent pivot
this is what ive made on a diff rogue but unsure as to what to move down to stea...
as long as you know your keybinds well then the spots don't necessarily matter, but one thing i like to do is try to put important CDs on my top bar
but i also kinda orient my bars around where they are keybound
hidden moth
yeah thats why my top bar is kinda cluttered rn
potent pivot
it just works with my brain better to know where to look at the CD of the ability
like all my mouse button abilities are laid in the same layout as the mouse buttons
i also feel like that makes it easier for me to keybind my alts
because i use the exact same layout for every class and put similar spells on the same binds across the board
ionic orbit
we get new honor gear in like
how do you know we're getting different gear in a few days?
potent pivot
how do you know we're getting different gear in a few days?
because season 2 starts in a few days
right now we're in the middle
season 1 ended this past tuesday
this week is what we call an "off week" between seasons
severe helm
im debating on redoing these bars to make stuff fit better thoughts?
Replace them all with weak aura
potent pivot
so new honor/conquest gear comes out next weekly reset. teusday for NA, wednesday for EU.
ionic orbit
so new honor/conquest gear comes out next weekly reset. teusday for NA, wednesda...
is there a cap on how many honor points and conquest points you can have? do they stay in your account from season to season?
potent pivot
is there a cap on how many honor points and conquest points you can have? do the...
honor cap is 15k always, and stays from season to season, but is reset on new expansion releases.
conquest resets every season
conquest has a very low cap at the beginning of seasons, and goes up every week as the season goes on
a couple months into the season conquest gets uncapped
same with bloody tokens
those start with a lower cap and go up every week, and get uncapped later. bloody tokens also reset every season
hidden moth
did they turn of currency transfer?
potent pivot
i heard it was bugging out for some people so prolly
they tend to turn it off whenever it has issues
til they fix
gleaming pawn
BBP should integrate DR trackers into it
hidden moth
bbp?
gleaming pawn
better blizz plates
hidden moth
fucks that
gleaming pawn
nameplates addon that was designed with pvp in mind
gleaming pawn
and DR the only feature missing from the addon really
hidden moth
If doing mm hunter rogue 2s u wanna be sub ya?
gleaming pawn
most likely. Assa is too squishy. Outlaw maybe could work with how tanky it is but it has no real burst
gleaming pawn
Nahj is good as far as streamers go
but NoTrickz and a few others here know their Sub gameplay
river pollen
Can anyone confirm if we need to do the 11.1 campaign for tier sets or gear stuff
I’m having a blast in undermine with war mode on but not too interested in the questing stuff
indigo hill
Nah gear is obtainable trough drops in raids and conquest gear in the catalyst.
storm pond
so the campaign is rp?
looks like a heroic track piece from it idk
so nothin really
void wks are weird
indigo hill
The campaign is just the story. It's not connected to getting tier.
jolly sierra
wait for week 2 guys
indigo hill
Pvp is a mess atm. Always like that in-between seasons. Paladin is bugged as hell atm. Mm and ww do crazy damage.
karmic summit
i hate not having duel i wanna go back
i tryed to duel/ cloak kill a ww today and looked like a chump
grave basin
Feral catching strays in this latest tuning
Don't think they were even that strong
Btw, I'm gonna be renown 8 with the goblins
There's no1 with 9 or above right
There's no1 with 9 or above right
jolly sierra
i hate not having duel i wanna go back
don't, I love duel gone
was disgusting to play around both bomb and duel and die anyways
jolly sierra
Don't think they were even that strong
they were
proven stump
which spec do you guys think will perform the best all around?
dapper chasm
Subtlety is generally considered the best spec, or "real man's spec" if you will
With the other two considered softer options for newer, or less intellemectual players
proven stump
love this analogy
gleaming sentinel
Subtlety is generally considered the best spec, or "real man's spec" if you will
That’s a nice shadow dance setup you got there, be a shame if someone glanced your direction and ruined the whole thing
rustic isle
With the other two considered softer options for newer, or less intellemectual p...
Sign me up
potent pivot
which spec do you guys think will perform the best all around?
all 3 specs have been doing well lately, kinda expecting that trend to continue atm
stoic spruce
which spec do you guys think will perform the best all around?
Sub more than likely
But we shall see
potent pivot
stoic spruce
You think I wanna say that?
Everytime I say it, it takes 4 days off my life
Got femboy twinks calling sub a man's spec
Yeah okay buddy
brave plume
are vicious bloodstones used in season 2?
potent pivot
are vicious bloodstones used in season 2?
ye most likely
boreal briar
With stam buffs on trinket set and extra stam on gear I find it hard to picture sub being the top rogue spec
cobalt yew
So it's confirmed, honor doesn't reset on season? Whatever I have now will carry on and I'll be able to equip slightly faster
potent pivot
So it's confirmed, honor doesn't reset on season? Whatever I have now will carry...
yeah
honor never resets between seasons, only expansions
cobalt yew
Is it the best/fastest way to gear early on?
Actually Algari Competitors might be just as good
potent pivot
Actually Algari Competitors might be just as good
wdym
honor will be the best/only way to get geared early
bloody tokens and conquest will reset and be capped very low
cobalt yew
honor will be the best/only way to get geared early
But... But... Algari competitors... Just buy off ah
potent pivot
But... But... Algari competitors... Just buy off ah
it's lower ilvl
vocal surge
^
ionic orbit
Is there a way within wow to use voice chat in battlegrounds with random players? If yes, how common is it?
potent pivot
Is there a way within wow to use voice chat in battlegrounds with random players...
no one ever uses it
sharp sierra
Is it better to try assa for arena when wanting to give rogue a shot for season 2? Usually play Warrior or DK, so it'll be a large adjustment regardless. Heard sub is quite difficult and I have to line up a lot of things to be useful and do dmg?
potent pivot
Is it better to try assa for arena when wanting to give rogue a shot for season ...
outlaw is a bit more similar to fury/frost, assa is more similar to unholy(sorta)
if you're only aiming to get like 1800 or 2100 quickly assa would probably be the easier option
sharp sierra
if you're only aiming to get like 1800 or 2100 quickly assa would probably be th...
More for the long haul - typically only play 1 class and dabble into M+ slightly...i know ill get whooped in arena for a long time, will try push as much as I can
Had narrowed it down to fDK and rogue, but feel like fDK if its nerfed more its unplayable, but maybe I can be useful as a rogue...even though steeper learning curve
potent pivot
yeah i mean it's up to you in the end, but i'd just say play whichever one you find fun
the pve meta won't really get decided for some weeks to come
as far as pvp goes i think most things have been viable lately
ionic orbit
I have only tried sub and I like it but it definitely seems like you've got to get your kill quickly or your damage gets left hanging after your 2 shadow dances are done. Might as well just run away from the conflict, restealth, and wait if you don't have a shadow dance.
potent pivot
looks like the standard build
rocky pilot
without kingsbane?
potent pivot
yh
dapper chasm
no one ever uses it
OMG, we could have xbox live CoD lobbies back
They should make it opt-out instead of opt-in
I can't wait to hear what a 13 year old did to my mother (the joke is that anyone under 30 plays this game)
prime ocean
hi guys, does anyone have a sex weakaura for outlaw rolls?
jolly sierra
hi guys, does anyone have a sex weakaura for outlaw rolls?
@dapper chasm
dapper chasm
I did make some nice stuff for supercharger/combo point storage/flag stacks if anyone wants though
rocky pilot
outlaw, mastery, trickster
jolly sierra
sorry dood, i tried
potent pivot
eh
if you're just trying to learn what spells do i guess
but the rotation can be pretty different
hidden moth
bc ur mixing in cc and stuff
potent pivot
and just different min maxes
pve doesn't try to condense as much burst as possible into stun windows
they do the most optimal burst for Xminute fights
potent pivot
any videos u recommend?
nahj has a little stuff on his yt and in his discord
would watch his stream or vods on twitch as well
or kalvish when he plays sub, he plays a lot of fire mage lately tho
potent pivot
sure if you have any questions just ask
looking like gloves will be the piece we don't use this season
harsh kiln
why is that?
potent pivot
because they have the worst stats
severe helm
do i go do pve stuff to lear nsub dps?
Naaaah
Sub doesn't play anything like pvp in pve
The rotation itself is even different cuz it's built around trickster and max overall damage
And it always runs flag
formal pebble
Honor/Conq resets on tuesday right?
severe helm
Id honestly just do bgs or something and practice killing people in stuns lol
formal pebble
honor does not reset
hidden moth
we're going to have to spend conq on our free catalyst item this season i guess
wait they removed it?
we dont get pvp vs pve choice anymore?
potent pivot
they aren't doing the free item token anymore
stoic spruce
What?
hidden moth
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
hidden moth
wait so pvp gets 1 free cata charge?
potent pivot
which means we will have to purchase the item to catalyst
all content gets 1 free charge
its the same as before
but the item itself isn't free
hidden moth
so week 1 we can only get 1 set unless we do raid?
potent pivot
if you hit 1.6k/KSM/whatever you get 1 catalyst charge
no
it is the same as before
hidden moth
u were explaining it weird
stoic spruce
Wth
potent pivot
it is the same achievement as before
stoic spruce
I want free gear not a catalyst charge that I'll cap out on in a few weeks
potent pivot
but now there is no token
hidden moth
but now that u said we get 1 and 1600 gives 2nd cata charge
hidden moth
thats actually braindead
stoic spruce
They be changing shit just for the sake of changing shit
potent pivot
apparently people did not like having to go to the vendor and choose a piece
some people accidentally bought pve piece when they wanted pvp piece and vice versa
stoic spruce
Oh they'll listen to THAT feedback but not the plethora of other things
hidden moth
or just make the peice u buy be pve piece with 639 pvp ilvl
potent pivot
i think they're also adding something like that
where you can add pvp ilvl to items
hidden moth
but only to tier items
so u can get a hero track pve piece
catalyst it so its tier and say its a helm
u can now take that tier helm spend 875 conq on a item apply said item
potent pivot
ic
gleaming sentinel
some people accidentally bought pve piece when they wanted pvp piece and vice ve...
Players having to read in game texts 
hidden moth
bc it originated from pve u have to get pve gems sockets for it and we cant use blood stones
hidden moth
blizz wanted to make a way to save cata charges for people who do pvp pve
potent pivot
yeah
hidden moth
but imo just
potent pivot
that was basically the only pain point left for ppl who did both
hidden moth
give us 1 charge every week and not every 2 and that solves the problem
potent pivot
im probably going to do both this season but like
hidden moth
bc now the pve guys are gona have to give up a vault early season to gem their pvp gear XD
potent pivot
you might want diff tier slots depending on spec etc
stoic spruce
I miss pvp vault
hidden moth
then 550+ after?
hidden moth
I miss pvp vault
prob good they got rid of it tbh less rng just wish they put 3 diff conq weps in for every catagory
stoic spruce
The rng meant nothing after week 4
potent pivot
i think it was 1600 and +600/week
potent pivot
and then if we get heraldries again they will probably go to the same shit
boots/bracers/whatever or ring/ring/neck
stoic spruce
What slots are outlaws going for first
potent pivot
What slots are outlaws going for first
probably helm and gloves(?)
helm is haste vers
gloves are crit/haste
stoic spruce
Nice
potent pivot
the other 3 items are crit/mast or vers/mast
stoic spruce
Not nice
potent pivot
hidden moth
idk whats worse the pants or gloves
hidden moth
bc at least pants ahave masta but so much fuckin crit
dapper chasm
I plan to just go chest and legs
potent pivot
I plan to just go chest and legs
shoulders would be a better 2nd item for sub
dapper chasm
mb you're right
gleaming sentinel
hmm, maybe no chest for outlaw?
dapper chasm
Less wasted vers
gleaming sentinel
er legs
dapper chasm
I assume the sub 2pc is evis/rupture/secret tech?
hidden moth
here i was thinkin sin wanted mast>vers>haste> crit
gleaming sentinel
interesting, ok
potent pivot
lots of mastery on every piece is kinda gunk for law
dapper chasm
No, no, the vers>mastery is just a noob trap to confuse new players
We only say that
In reality we get mastery>vers for gems and gear
potent pivot
here i was thinkin sin wanted mast>vers>haste> crit
haste and crit are sorta equal for sin. in cleave playstyle like we've been doing crit is a bit better than haste generally
haste is generally better in ST situations
i'm trying to get the gear faq update finished this week
dapper chasm
Yes, but by gearing mastery, it's an easier swap to a good spec later
hidden moth
like what pirate?
stoic spruce
Assa
stoic spruce
Trickster stocks up rn so outlaw lost mastery value
potent pivot
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713
^if anyone has any suggestions/recommendations lmk
it's still WIP
hidden moth
needs more sasagayo
dapper chasm
Oh, weapons are free again?
potent pivot
i'm pretty sure they'll be free again
dapper chasm
potent pivot
yes
potent pivot
conquest vendor item stats rarely ever change, in like, the past 5 years
stoic spruce
I'm pretty sure Outlaw will play 4pc but the mastery is huge with the other tier pieces
It just makes the gameplay we were doing last season better
We shall 🌊
potent pivot
i don't think outlaw can ignore the extra roll chance yeah
even if it is nerfed in pvp
hidden moth
then if u would lose it u have a CHANCE to actually get 4 seconds of being goated
potent pivot
all of the sets are around +10% dps in pve for the most part
hidden moth
tbh i would just prefer assa keep s1 2/4 set less rng
potent pivot
and since many have mastery i don't see why we wouldn't run the 4set for sub/sin
dapper chasm
Pride
prime ocean
guys potentially very stupid question here - say i have 2 supercharged cps - can i then finish with 4 cps and gain the deeper stratagem dmg bonus from above 5?
potent pivot
guys potentially very stupid question here - say i have 2 supercharged cps - can...
the deeper strat bonus is across the board
it does not matter what you finish on as far as that goes
prime ocean
it says "finishing moves that consume more than 5 cps"
potent pivot
not quite no
stoic spruce
Kidney consumes 5 max
prime ocean
okay maybe i wrote my question wrong -
i have 4 cps - 2 supercharged and 2 normal - does this count as more than 5 or no
potent pivot
it counds as 6
dapper chasm
Evis is a finishing move that consumes more than 5cps, even if you choose to use 3cp
potent pivot
but
that isn't how you should use it
you mostly ignore the supercharged combo points altogether
and finish on the normal combo points you always would
5 or more for sin, 6 or more for outlaw, etc
prime ocean
ok
potent pivot
supercharger will just add an extra 2 points worth of damage on top
but deeper strat tool tip basically says
"6 or 7 combo point finishers have increased effects" because each combo point is an extra ~11% damage
the +5% finisher damage is a static thing you always have
prime ocean
oh right
potent pivot
so if you do a 7 combo point finisher AND it's supercharged, it will do 9 combo points worth of damage
etc
prime ocean
alr ty
potent pivot
blizzard tool tips 
dapper chasm
Imagine if they didn't have that, the confusion it would cause
"Why on earth would I get the ability to get 6 or 7 cps when it would obviously do the same as 5cps"
Reads tooltip
Slaps forhead, "Oh, wow, it would INCREASE THE EFFECT?!"
mystic pasture
2 hunters one rapid fire and the other aimed/black arrow. 100-0 by the time rapid fire was done
potent pivot
Rapid fire and being overpowered at the beginning of a season
Can’t name a more iconic duo 
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot enduring bloodstone kinda poopy btw
For your guide
doesnt work on half the ccs in the game
mystic pasture
Rapid fire and being overpowered at the beginning of a season
rapid fire did 3.3M aimed shot did 3.2M and Black arrow did 1.5M
potent pivot
I know there’s precog
potent pivot
Doesn’t every1 use the enduring tho
mystic pasture
seems like it yea
potent pivot
Ye it’s just on most stuns right
jaunty osprey
intimidation
binding shot
Sigil of Misery
maim
rake
remorseless winter
gnaw
blinding light
Stormbolt
Shockwave
evoker stun
lightning lasso
these are some
That it doesnt work on
there are a lot more too
potent pivot
Apparently Nahj said that feint talent doesn’t work on Maim or Shockwave either
Kinda dumb if they don’t fix it
potent pivot
Well it’s a general guide
jaunty osprey
no reason NOT to use pve spark
Especially early in season, can use on like off pieces or smth
potent pivot
It’s mostly aimed at the people who join and ask how to do XYZ
jaunty osprey
or jewellery if people dont have honour to socket their algari
potent pivot
What should I buy this week etc
jaunty osprey
they can pve craft and get setting for free sockets
potent pivot
Yh true
jaunty osprey
ya i mean it’s big for week 1-2 or whenever full spark comes out
potent pivot
Sec
potent pivot
The bonus tooltip reads like shit
They’re all about 10% in pve
Tooltip doesn’t say proc rates, Whispyr had to test them all to come up with the rates
jaunty osprey
I need to see the chart
potent pivot
If we don’t need a lot of vers I think we can just run 4
jaunty osprey
Increase from 2pc to 4pc
potent pivot
!fuu
lethal roostBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
potent pivot
Yeah but it shows old2+new2 being the highest
Which isn’t correct
Well whispyr’s shit shows 4% as well
jaunty osprey
Well old2 and new2 together still
10%
i think that might be insane
cause the interactions
potent pivot
4.2% 2pc and 4% 4pc
jaunty osprey
2 set and craft vers mast
potent pivot
I think it’s about the same value as this season’s
~2% diff from 2-4 in pvp
So prolly w/e
I think subs is good but I bet people like Nahj won’t use it for a while until someone like trill tests it 
potent pivot
Making a joke
potent pivot
Trill used 4set last season when like no one else was iirc
potent pivot
Also did Nahj not get r1 3s last season
No idea
Even Palumor got it
I’d be surprised if Nahj didn’t
jaunty osprey
Palumor had the cabal carrying him for hundreds of games
doesnt count
my cat could get r1 with max and kalv
proven stump
Can any1 link a good straight to the point guide for the pvp crafting shit and if its actualyl worth it
i got back into pvp recently and have no idea what its about
most guids are 20 minutes long for whatever reason
my adhd cant listen to a 20 minute video
harsh kiln
you buy tokens for conquest, and then you place a workorder for the pvp item you want, the tokens you bought are used in crafting the item
proven stump
so I dont need anything other than the tokens?
harsh kiln
well you need the rest of the items required for crafting the item ofc
proven stump
can I buy these things off ah
potent pivot
for some pieces yes
harsh kiln
you can probably do well without them
proven stump
so whatever conq gear doesn't have optimal stats I craft?
harsh kiln
but some like notrickz said are nice to have
potent pivot
you kinda have to for embellishments as well
harsh kiln
pretty much
harsh kiln
i believe in you
stoic spruce
I shan't speak, lest I sin.
proven stump
amen
rocky pilot
Hi guys, im i crazy for not going kingsbane? i only play blitz
i kinda like not having it
how much do i fuck myself?
potent pivot
how much do i fuck myself?
most people don't use KB these days
it's good for those 1v1 situations in blitz tho
rocky pilot
it's good for those 1v1 situations in blitz tho
i can see that
potent pivot
doesn't really matter either way
rocky pilot
just feels like every1 talks about it
potent pivot
nah
rocky pilot
but i better results just dotting and silencing
rocky pilot
it isn't required
what would you change?
stoic spruce
Spec
rocky pilot
just run that
ok ty
stoic spruce
So like
For Legion remix
This convo got me thinking
Holly said we're experiencing Legion in a new way
But
rocky pilot
Legion pvp was the worst
stoic spruce
If they do the same thing they did with MoP Remix, a lot of specs won't have their artifact weapon abilities.
rocky pilot
every1 hated it
stoic spruce
Until the end
stoic spruce
If they do the same thing they did with MoP Remix, a lot of specs won't have the...
Imagine you get your artifact weapon but only your gems matter
potent pivot
all i care about
is OG mage tower appearances
if they don't add them i doubt i play it
potent pivot
it would be such an insane missed opportunity
rocky pilot
if they don't add them i doubt i play it
new rogue tierset is bis tho
stoic spruce
It'll be hard to screw this up but I wouldn't put it past blizz
rocky pilot
potent pivot
meh
rocky pilot
its good
harsh kiln
we've had so much pirate shit i'm sikc of it lmao
rocky pilot
we've had so much pirate shit i'm sikc of it lmao
when was last pirate set?
btw i think we get huge class rework 11.2
harsh kiln
plunderstorm last
rocky pilot
plunderstorm last
thats not rly a tier set
harsh kiln
the great thing is, you're allowed to think that aswell! even though i do not like it.
rocky pilot
the great thing is, you're allowed to think that aswell! even though i do not li...
ye its great i can do that 🙂
just learned i can do stuff
🙏
harsh kiln
alot of ppl forget you're allowed to have your own thoughts
rocky pilot
alot of ppl forget you're allowed to have your own thoughts
me included
its actually one of the best set they every made
only topped by t2 and t5
halcyon timber
It is cool, just not for me but I always mix a bunch of stuff anyway
stoic spruce
Rogue style sets for rogue outnumber the pirate stuff 10 to 1 even with the plunderstorm stuff
halcyon timber
Its all how the geosets fit in as there is no attachment for the slot
As a vfx artist i know
potent pivot
you can't run those helms with any other sets in the game :\
stoic spruce
Bet
potent pivot
i wish it was just the skull/hat with the neck turned into shadow or something
harsh kiln
Its all how the geosets fit in as there is no attachment for the slot
shouldnt that apply to the chest piece with orbs as a necklace aswell?
sharp sierra
Any point of pressing blade flurry in pvp if going 1 guy only? not wanting to cleave
potent pivot
Any point of pressing blade flurry in pvp if going 1 guy only? not wanting to cl...
no
halcyon timber
shouldnt that apply to the chest piece with orbs as a necklace aswell?
Agreed however, it is how whoever made the item and was likely sculpted into the helm to save mesh data / artifacts is what we call it
harsh kiln
fair enough
halcyon timber
Uv unwrapping was considered and applied in that way
Works differently when we make rigs / armatures for it all when we make films
Floats / controllers / shape keys etc
proven stump
Are trinkets prio for conquest gear?
potent pivot
Gearing FAQ
Updated for Season 3
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713
TWW Rogue Bug Lists
Updated for Season 2 (mostly)
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1345520727041900676
potent pivot
Are trinkets prio for conquest gear?
depends on what you already have
proven stump
nothing
potent pivot
you would use honor on trinkets then
pvp trinkets > main hand weapon > the rest of the shit
then when gearing conquest gear it's
main hand weapon > tier set/other gear/badge trinket if used > trinkets
because you'd already have honor trinkets when gearing conquest gear
runic laurel
Would you put 1 ring/neck high on your list cause of the two socket slots assuming people aren’t gonna want to enchant and socket honor gear?
potent pivot
generally not
you can craft honor level gear and socket it
and then just upgrade it to conquest level later
and it keeps any sockets/enchants/embellishments
runic laurel
Oh yeah that’s true
potent pivot
potent pivot
some people did that as well
can add a note like i did for some people using heraldries for weps
jaunty osprey
And crafted on 3x jewellery
jolly sierra
jewelry fixates your secondary stats the most, so u can run any agi upgrade later xd
potent pivot
agi is worth more dps than secondary stats
just depends on the amount of agi VS the amount of stats
jaunty osprey
Well honour rings/neck are heavy vers low mast
and only a handful of people will actually craft algari jewellery at honour ilvl
jaunty osprey
cause they just cba to find people to recraft it later
dapper chasm
What the sub list has taught me is that we got WAY too much shit with "shadow" in the name
potent pivot
yep
dapper chasm
Makes me wana shadow spit on the ground
rocky pilot
im gonna do a outlaw autoattack spec (mastery) and get elite
hidden moth
prob bc blizz wants them to do good with the mm doesnt have a pet at all
stoic spruce
im gonna do a outlaw autoattack spec (mastery) and get elite
I'm convinced MG is just imaginary damage that we believe in enough that it manifests itself into the game.
gleaming sentinel
I feel like every other season marks gets an aim shot and rapid fire buff for a little bit then they get nerfed again
hidden moth
its just so much burst
stoic spruce
Yeah we'll have to see later when the raid is open and there's more data
It'll get nerfed then
hidden moth
trueshot off gcd into aimed shot which shoots 2 and explo shot and so u have 2 aimed shots and explo shot hitting and detonating at the exact same time
into a rapid fire/ killshot
is just nasty
severe helm
68%-dead in 1.1 second with 40% dr rollin
Yeah they have some aimed shot things where it hits 3 times lol
Not sure how it works
ionic orbit
Anyone else have bad luck with your connection for arenas? I have a crappy computer, but I can usually do battlegrounds with few freezes happening. in arenas I get huge lags and I come out of them dead.
jolly sierra
Anyone else have bad luck with your connection for arenas? I have a crappy compu...
drop all to minimum but essencials
i used to play in a 2015 laptop till 2023
ionic orbit
drop all to minimum but essencials
Yeah I am on the minimums. my computer is 10 years old with 8gb RAM
jolly sierra
Yeah I am on the minimums. my computer is 10 years old with 8gb RAM
check task manager
and watch what consumes memory the most, besides wow
graceful ravine
How are rogues looking like this patch? Worth playing?
potent pivot
graceful ravine
Supatease putting sub as #1 pvp spec for shuffles
potent pivot
supatease and venruki are halfway 
runic laurel
He’s right it’s objectively correct and factual
runic laurel
Every spec gets changes
potent pivot
He’s right it’s objectively correct and factual
runic laurel
Even if someone exaggerates that a spec is the same there were probably 5 little tuning changes happening between seasons not including 39 ilvl worth of scaling and new tier sets
potent pivot
I thought there was zero changes for us this tier
there's been buffs and nerfs etc. i've got the s2 patch notes in the pins, it's only missing the very latest tuning from this past week iirc
but anyone putting sub as the #1 spec in shuffle has lost their marbles
hidden moth
Yeah they have some aimed shot things where it hits 3 times lol
yeah its double tap
so when u volley or true shot ur next aimed shot shoots a 2nd one at 80% value
is there new pvp talent builds comin or just use 11.5
potent pivot
Soon yeah but it’s all mostly the same
Can also just use murlok.io
We didn’t get any real changes so murlok isn’t broken for rogue like it is for warrior etc
hidden moth
what pvp talents does sub run
potent pivot
potent pivot
what pvp talents does sub run
New feint talent/bomb/x
hidden moth
bomb preemtive and bargain?
rocky pilot
<:COPIUM:806187699617660929>
its one of the most iconic wow classes, its gonna happen
They wont forget it
hidden moth
and i wanna flag before shadow blades ya?
hidden moth
ight
potent pivot
Disarm or tricks talent or dfa
hidden moth
and sub dam is just all about secret teching int oi big evis?
pastel burrow
take dfa whenever U can it's sick nasty
Who doesn't love doing a cool fucking back flip
potent pivot
use cds for burst outside of burst go cc shit bc u do 0 dam?
Well you need to cc for your burst
Nahj is playing rn, watch a bit