pvp

[hidden moth]

Just play assa and you won’t miss duel

[dapper chasm]

Ok, I wont lie

The new zone looks kinda gorgeous

Oh, you can't fly - fuck this place

[potent pivot]

you have to get your new tokyo drift car

[dapper chasm]

Will this set be relevant?

Also, does it matter, PvPly speaking, which cartel I go for?

[potent pivot]

nah

it's just cosmetics n shit

[potent pivot]

yes but that currency/vendor is raid related

we'll get the set from catalyzing our gear

[dapper chasm]

Thanks, my man

This being an RNG set suits me just fine, I gots that devil's luck

[potent pivot]

well for sub its less RNG

because you don't drop it during Dance

[dapper chasm]

4 set in PvP?

What next? We throw on a dragon trinket and start raiding with the nerds?

[jaunty osprey]

You never need hemotoxin btw

[stoic spruce]

Perhaps

[potent pivot]

there's an infinite noggenfogger toy

each use costs more than if you were to buy them from the vendor though

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-big-bed-wife-sleep-gif-25800879

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot if you could change one fundamental thing about outlaw, what would it be?

[potent pivot]

that's kind of a long list

[stoic spruce]

I said one

Not even your most wanted change

Just one fundamental change

[potent pivot]

ITS HARD TO CHOOSE OKAY

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHH JUST CHOOSE ONE

Okay I'll go first

It's actually crazy to say too

[dapper chasm]

• Change name back to combat and stop being edgyboys

[stoic spruce]

Nope crazier

[dapper chasm]

• Make spec a tank

[stoic spruce]

I'd remove restless blades from ghostly strike and turn it into a player buff

SoD is down the hall to the left

It's very fun though

[potent pivot]

the mastery is probably the biggest glaring issue

especially for pvp with crit being baseline nerfed

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I guess my change would need multiple changea in order to work well

100% with you tho

I've made my opinion vocal on it plenty of times

[potent pivot]

Ooh there's more than 2 colors of rockets

there's 4 or 5

siick

[dapper chasm]

Do you prefer riding the big black rocket, NoTrickz?

[grave basin]

Which cartel is that from

[potent pivot]

check the most recent wowhead post

its got all new mounts from 11.1 and sources

i need to check if DH bug fixes are finally in

just in case, do let them cleave their blade dance

[jolly sierra]

he is broken

finally popo broke him

[potent pivot]

[indigo hill]

You think the black one is bigger than the others? 😏

[dapper chasm]

This is a place for sophisticated discussion, not crass sex jokes

[hidden moth]

Sophisticated discussion, meanwhile 30% of this channel is tricks yelling at people (mostly me) to stop being a dumbass

[harsh kiln]

And you answered why this statement is true in the previous sentence:) nothing is balanced pre season, and especially not in 2s.

[dapper chasm]

I just felt my cock joke landed better

[indigo hill]

You don't have to get cocky.

[jolly sierra]

you are new in that, i constantly argue w trickz since years ago XD

[dapper chasm]

So it's not just me that has their bully-reflex triggered by NoTrickz?

Maybe it's his pheromones

[jolly sierra]

i have done that since 2023 min

[jolly sierra]

his lawful nature is way too conflictive against my chaotic one

so we have our friendly arguings sometimes lol

[dapper chasm]

But @jolly sierra , aren't you a filthy filthy furry?

Shouldn't you guys join forces AGAINST the bullies?

[jolly sierra]

no, i am just a selfish furry which acts by my own ideals

those includes hating night elves

[dapper chasm]

So you tell me you shower EVERY day?

[jolly sierra]

yes, with pet shampoo

[dapper chasm]

[jolly sierra]

[severe helm]

brother its been a day

[dapper chasm]

Maybe, with time, we can heal from this

[severe helm]

right now the only thing to look at is how the specs play

New disc is interesting

im excited to mess with that more

[dapper chasm]

@jolly sierra WAIT! I got it!

How we can bond despite your filthy, filthy furry ways

We can bond by hating those My Little Pony guys together!

[jolly sierra]

because i don't say "uwu, owo, hewwo" and just act like a decent person

perhaps

[hidden moth]

He just bully’s everyone

Maybe with undermine being liberated so will this discord

😭😂

[dapper chasm]

I just refuse to live in a world without hatred

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[dapper chasm]

Where the furries feign decency

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

@stoic spruce u are a big meanie

no matter the time i say this

[hidden moth]

We love you trickz

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, I'm~~ 80%~~75% sure he's not an AI

[wintry dew]

BASED

[jolly sierra]

yo royal

[wintry dew]

Hello friend!

[jolly sierra]

look, they are trying to furry shaming me

[wintry dew]

Fuck them

[dapper chasm]

Oh, God, don't

[wintry dew]

non-furry shame them!

[dapper chasm]

I'm married for one

Look, I never called for violence

Just emotional violence

[wintry dew]

And that's fine

[dapper chasm]

Possibly some name calling

[wintry dew]

Understandable

[dapper chasm]

Slight ostracization

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-awkward-welp-the-office-gif-10464186

[jolly sierra]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ueSURe7a3g8

me rn

[dapper chasm]

SLIGHT

Maybe... maybe the furries aren't as bad as society taught me... I can be open minded...

I mean, you guys aren't really attracted to the girl rabbit from Space Jam, right?

[jolly sierra]

[dapper chasm]

[orchid plinth]

[dapper chasm]

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-sweet-carolina-yes-maam-yes-maam-i-am-gif-21582946

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-jojos-gif-22409069

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-turn-around-yeah-uh-gif-26658733

[jolly sierra]

if can consent, i am in

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-gamerkhasan24-gif-24629190

[jolly sierra]

duality of community figures:

[jolly sierra]

vs

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/hans-flammenwerfer-get-ze-gif-15834368

[wintry dew]

Trickz is a pure soul

Best green in the list

and also my best neighbour

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

My empathy just can't connect here

I guess, I had a thing for Lara Croft?

She's all polygons!

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/lara-croft-tomb-raider-angry-gif-13282398

[dapper chasm]

Maybe the beauty of it? Some guy in Japan moves his hands just right and some guy in America is turned on

That's kinda magic, really

[wintry dew]

LOOOOOOOL

[orchid plinth]

juicy knob turners

[jolly sierra]

did he evolved or just devolved?

[wintry dew]

"yes"

[jolly sierra]

forced inclusion

bad job square enix

[gleaming pawn]

The downtime between seasons really does a number on our channel

[jolly sierra]

we are EU

XD

[noble venture]

Question for the PvP Outlaw Rogues... When are you spending combo points? 4 or 5? I'm not sure which is optimal

[potent pivot]

My bad didn’t see you asked here I replied in outlaw channel

[marble oasis]

so havoc seems to be insanely busted right now

[stiff cedar]

How is assa looking right now? Someone in chat told cdew their mage got hit for a 5m envenom, which is a very "source: trust me bro" number but I have seen some pretty big ones

[potent pivot]

Well none of the assa buffs give envenom any extra damage

[stiff cedar]

Makes sense, probably just ppl having fun with darkest night still

[potent pivot]

Even with DFA and perfectly stars aligned buffs it doesn’t hit that hard

[stiff cedar]

Oh yeah like I said I didn't believe the 5m's but if someone is claiming that, it probably is at least doing decent lol

I'm trying to decide if I want to main rog next season

[potent pivot]

Assa is looking like it should be strong again though

[stiff cedar]

I have a good friend who's a good lock to push with for once and I'm trying to decide if I want to just play dh and maybe some feral or to go assa aff which is probably the best comp in there

[potent pivot]

Just depends on the nerfs for other classes that will be coming

[stiff cedar]

I just am a low time gamer (employed+college) and I feel like I never have the time to get good at rogue, I understand it well I just can't put reps in much. My main last ssn I pushed 2.4 shuffs on I had 150 rounds played LOL

[stiff cedar]

That is good to know

[stiff cedar]

And yeah ofc that kinda goes for most things

[halcyon timber]

Some undergeared lvl 75 sure. But that claim is def from the ancient book of bull shit where people make up fairytales and other horse shit about rogue to raise propaganda.

[stiff cedar]

yeah like i said ik it isn't real 5m envenom lmao

but i have seen 2m+s or close to

[halcyon timber]

Yep dude is full of shit

We arent in s2 target zone gear and everything is tuned around that. Pre season / pre patch to expansions = people stir the fricken pot for no reason

Like the hunter spamming about sudden demise wining but thinks double tap aimed shot was cool

[gleaming sentinel]

Are there any notable interactions with death from above and trickster?

[halcyon timber]

Nope as CDG and DFA are separate

Did work on alpha briefly but was def separated

[wide plume]

Is shadow duel gone? 😦

[severe helm]

tbh sub is lookin verry strong rn

it fucking craaaanks with nimble fury

[severe helm]

6 outside of stealth, 5 in stealth

by stealth I mean with subterfuge buff/in crackshot window

[potent pivot]

Mhm

[wide plume]

That is such a tragedy. I don't think I can get any solo shuffle kills without overcompensating for my skill issue

[gleaming sentinel]

Can kinda just stand and bang now as sub I think and just parse on people

[severe helm]

Yeup its just outlaw with better kill pressure in goes

[gleaming sentinel]

Guess I should learn sub…

[hidden moth]

so is assa dog water

[potent pivot]

peoples

its off week

balancing to come

trust

[hidden moth]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

https://tenor.com/view/dfv-gme-gamestop-moass-game-stop-gif-11363423944027478925

[hidden moth]

assa rogue top spec all s2 period

[potent pivot]

it might take 2 weeks

but there's always balancing in new ssn

[hidden moth]

"after looking at the class we have noticed dev evoker pressing other buttons outside of disentegrate. we have removed every damage ability dev has and they now only press disentegrate. we have also increased its damage by 500% and u always have essence burst"

[severe helm]

have yall seen how much aug cranks in pvp?

[potent pivot]

does it? i never see them

didn't they just get nerfed as well

[severe helm]

their benefits for others got nerfed severely

but I was seeing them in shuffle last night

doing the MOST insane dps

like 700k+ topping damage in the lobby by a huge margin haha

[potent pivot]

o.O

did their dmg get buffed?

[severe helm]

idk tbh

[potent pivot]

idk about this tbh

not seeing it

[severe helm]

Time will tell

[potent pivot]

like maybe into melee cleaves

[severe helm]

nahj has been playing trickster sub last season as well and doing big overall dam with it

and thats only going up

[potent pivot]

but then u just break ur own cc

[severe helm]

yeah ofc if you cant cleave

well youre not cleaving the healer

usually*

[potent pivot]

been playing both

but yeh

[severe helm]

its not like outlaw isnt running bladeflurry

and it gets by just fine without breaking too much cc

just have to remember to cancel it in certain situations

[potent pivot]

ye good ones do

[gleaming sentinel]

[potent pivot]

nahj seems to think assa/law will be better

[severe helm]

he always says that

hes the biggest sub doomer ever

[potent pivot]

its almost always true tho

[severe helm]

he was complaining sub was "easy to shut down" back in SL

when RMP was like the best comp in the game for almost the entire xpac

I think assa is prob gona be the best though since it didnt get any nerfs other than losing the cloak talent

and it was already definitely on par with outlaw if not better at non-r1 level play

[quaint cedar]

Yeah nahj is always going to complain

Mewo have you played yet? How does outlaw feel without enduring brawler? Not necessarily worried about damage numbers, moreso rotationally. Does it feel bad not having as high of an opportunity proc chance?

[gleaming sentinel]

Nahj says a 10% aura buff is nothing.

[potent pivot]

+200k to your largest eviscerate with all stars aligning isn’t huge

[gleaming sentinel]

How many evis does sub usually get off in a dance?

[potent pivot]

Depends on how much cc you’re doing in the dance

Or if shadowcraft procs etc

[halcyon timber]

The pre season / pre expansion propaganda has to stop. We aren't in full gear and there is zero reason to doom about anything. Tuning will happen again anyway and there are A LOT of new talents for just about everyone and new interactions for people to get used to.

[hidden moth]

OMG X CLQASS HAS X ABILIYYU AND X DAM AND XHGFJDSKALJFJK DLSAJF KASDL

[halcyon timber]

Yeah pretty much man. Its exhausting to see the nonsense.

[hidden moth]

random bg 8 minute cd

wtf

[stoic spruce]

We love panda

[hidden moth]

ight which do u think looks better any of the rogue war within s1 set tmog or new s2 ones

could be pvp or pve sets

[stoic spruce]

S2 hands down

I don't like the rogue style sets.

Ghost pirate :D

[twilit swan]

As someone getting to pvp for the first time

what are like the main damage cds I should focus on to just get instilled

[stoic spruce]

OoOoOOoOoooOoooOOoOOOoOo I'm gonn keelhaul the lot of youuuUuuuUuUu OoooOOoOoo

[twilit swan]

enstilled *

[stoic spruce]

What spec

[twilit swan]

for sub

sorry

first time

so im just trying to understand the bread and butter and then ill focus on other things

theres just so many offensive cds that i dont get what gets pressed first lol

[mystic pasture]

Are you married to sub? Or rogue in general?

[twilit swan]

just want to get into rogue

idm the spec, sub just seemed cool

but i mean all the others do too

[mystic pasture]

I might recommend starting with assassination then

[twilit swan]

much easier to get around ?

[mystic pasture]

Easier to do damage and less about all the CDs and utility

[twilit swan]

I'll look into it, any guides or is the bread and butter combo pretty simple

[mystic pasture]

Keep bleeds up then build and spend combo points

Let me see about a guide that would suit you

[stoic spruce]

Also more good comps

[twilit swan]

thanks lmk

[mystic pasture]

https://youtu.be/A7KdS0sN9rU?feature=shared

this is not bad actually. he breaks down the damage and burst quite well and uses a decent simple talent build.

One thing I would change though is going fatebound instead of deathstaller hero tree. It's one less thing to think about and fatebound still pumps damage.

One suggestion when starting out is to macro thistle tea to shiv. One less thing to worry about

[twilit swan]

Sick, thanks. I’ll watch this now and look up how to make the macro

[mystic pasture]

#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Shiv

[mystic pasture]

^^^ macro

[hybrid sapphire]

wait sorry is there anything that counts right now since we're between seasons? is all pvp just for fun rn?

[outer sky]

I wouldn't do that personally

sometimes you shiv to slow

and dont want to burn a tea charge

[mystic pasture]

Just trying g to simply things at first is all

They are new to rogue and PVP

[outer sky]

@potent pivot Name change fail btw. Also have we discovered how the new PvP talent works? Is it Additional or multiplicative? like does 40% become 80% or 56%?

[hybrid sapphire]

i can still queue rated is that intentional lol

[potent pivot]

It was a joke earlier foo

[potent pivot]

Additional, 60%

[potent pivot]

Yep

Same as every season

[hybrid sapphire]

this is the first time im between seasons -- whats the diff between rated queue and non-rated? just MMR-matching? 0 rating either way, yeah?

[potent pivot]

You mean between Skirms and rated?

One gives conquest and one gives honor

Skirms are a meme

[hybrid sapphire]

ah yeah -- so the only diff rn is currency rewards then(?)

[potent pivot]

Rated is going to be harder to win games in

Rating doesn’t move but MMR does atm iirc

[outer sky]

And I feel like to get the most value out of it we should take Nimble Fingers. what do we drop for that? Acrobatic strikes? Dropping Rushed Setup negates the energy savings

[outer sky]

Is Elusiveness considered mandatory if we take the feint talent now?

[potent pivot]

Very likely ye

[jaunty osprey]

Drop rushed setups

you’re not energy starved on openers anyway

and on vanishes you get multiple garrotes out right after cheapshots which helps with energy regen

[stoic spruce]

every season, people forget how offseason works >.>

[mystic pasture]

Cause it's so damn long between seasons!

[stoic spruce]

cap

[jolly sierra]

thank you popo

[stoic spruce]

<3

[jolly sierra]

necro but

you would kill all tea charges in a minute doing that

[jolly sierra]

.

[vocal surge]

Wow

I sure love Mistweavers pulling out 3M HPS

And 600k dps from casting 1 ability

Crackling Jade Lightning

[dapper chasm]

That just sounds delusional tbh

[vocal surge]

I wish I was delusional when I said that

But it happened in an arena game where DH let me attack him without doing anything for 5s and the healer just pressed Crackling Jade Lightning

[vocal surge]

Ancient Teaching healing right there w. Crackling Jade Lightning damage

[sharp sierra]

Sick buff wakaura

[dapper chasm]

That looks pirated to me tbh

[vocal surge]

thanks

[hybrid palm]

What does greyed out rating mean

[dapper chasm]

Rating is ranked. It starts grey (stone), then bronze, then silver, then gold, then platinum, then diamond, then mithril, then master, then grandmaster

Why, what did you get?

[verbal field]

I think he means greyed out rating cause rating is locked atm cause we are in off season

Which means you cant get rating atm

[waxen meteor]

It means season has ended…

[dark kernel]

Outlaw feels like it's not going to compete with sin for damage but this feint talent makes it stupid tank

[dapper chasm]

Sounds like a bunch of people got stone

[ionic orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-cant-done-po-jack-black-gif-4255872

When all you want to do is pvp at level 80, but you gotta climb up through all the leveling

[stoic spruce]

Ain't NOTHIN to do this week

[hidden moth]

Get conq sets for alts

Farm honor

[stoic spruce]

Did all that

[hidden moth]

If u don’t have 10 honor caps ur slacking

https://youtu.be/W7WDrvUcOxk?si=3EOTEDgIWe8kG7zz

Omg @potent pivot your gonna love this

A tier list before we even have the new gear!!!!

[gleaming pawn]

Supatease desperately trying to stay relevant

[hybrid palm]

Ok thanks

[glass hazel]

sub s rank

hahah

ele rank c

true rating indeed

[potent pivot]

[teal bough]

Any guide to show sub PvP opener dmg rotation?

[severe helm]

well they did lose their big boorst from what Ive heard

Like they entirely reworked how prim wave works

[glass hazel]

i saw in dal someone did 3m burst on manikens

[waxen meteor]

So is it really a good time to go monk this season as everyone was saying

[glass hazel]

doubt it is way way less

[potent pivot]

on dummies?

[glass hazel]

yeah sorry dummies

[potent pivot]

target dummy damage is a lot diff than damage on players

[glass hazel]

hopefully they will stop oneshot people ;x but hard to believe haha

[potent pivot]

new map is kinda weird

dunno how i feel about it

fire mage's top damage is their barrier

[brave plume]

had this same happen in wpvp

[severe helm]

for now lol

dont worry a weak aura will come out

that screams at you to just stop attacking when they press it

gona be a very annoying thing to deal with though

5 seconds of "dont touch" every 30 seconds

[potent pivot]

already in the making as we speak

[severe helm]

if a good mage uses it right its gona be super fucking annoying to deal with

[potent pivot]

100% reflect is going to get nerfed

there's no shot

[severe helm]

yeaaaah maybe

lol

I mean

heres the thing

if its your go

what does their damage matter

its just pad imo

its like ring of fire being top mage dam

[potent pivot]

no one cares about it from the fire mages dmg perspective

its just too toxic for the people hitting you for it to be 100%

[severe helm]

Its non-threatening damage haha

but yeah it might get nerfed

but tbh I dont personally think it needs to

its irrelevant damage imo

[potent pivot]

It isn’t

If some idiot bursts into it

A 100% reflect is just too much

Regardless of the added overall damage, or the uptime

[dark kernel]

It's WoD thorns back

Where it would randomly one shot you during that phase its math was turbo fucked

YouTube's algorithm is so fucked you can't even search shit anymore

[gleaming sentinel]

Me trying to learn sub still looking at my abilities and not paying attention.

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

I keep hearing stuff like "can kill you in a stun" about sub rogues, maybe I'm missing something here

[dark kernel]

Do you have full conquest gear and it's all mastery/tier?

[dapper chasm]

Oh, I do

And yes, I know how to do the big dimgess

But the part that confuses me is how people think that we just pop a macro and get that damage on the fly and instantly whenever we want

[dark kernel]

The average player and even good player doesn't know how rogues work

[dapper chasm]

Here I am building 30 stacks of this and 3 stacks of that

Then popping this while watching that

[dark kernel]

My guild is full of Mglads and multi classes and all of the players coincidentally avoid playing rogue

[dapper chasm]

Top levels of performance always leans towards the easiest way to be effective

I play fighting games (fuck my life) and a S+ tier with insane mechanics will never perform as well as a S tier with hurpadurpa inputs

[dark kernel]

Sub isn't going to feel so hot next patch I fear

[dapper chasm]

Sub is always hot if you just love being subtle

[dark kernel]

Mmm mhmm

[gleaming pawn]

That’s the Palumor effect. Dude stays relevant with his one shot macro videos every season

[dark kernel]

Who doesn't love a good cast sequence macro

[dapper chasm]

Yes, back in my day we had a warrior dude who did that

[gleaming pawn]

Fucking Swifty macro

[dapper chasm]

But then again, back in my day, the burst window was "Have Focused Attacks and DPS Trink up"

And somehow the game felt 20x more skill intensive

[potent pivot]

What’s the best way to level now that the timewalking shit is over peeps

Questing?

[gleaming pawn]

Isn’t there still time walking every week?

[verbal field]

nope its over

[dark kernel]

Probably buy a boost

I think people still use the dragonflight zone for 1 to 70 leveling

[gleaming pawn]

Ah well dungeons are still the faster way to level

If you’re a dps go quest while you wait for queues

[potent pivot]

I’ve got a few that are 74-75 already

Just need to finish while there isn’t shit to do this week ig

[gleaming pawn]

Healers or tank and you just spam dungeons. Takes 6ish to go from 79 to 80

[dapper chasm]

btw - I have a very specific addon issue that maybe someone can chime in on: Are people able to move the "UIWidgetTopCenterContainerFrame" frame? It's what shows battleground scores in the top-middle of the screen

Both Leatrix pro and MoveAny purport to be able to move it, but only control scale and alpha, if I move it it snaps back

I'm hoping it's not my WTF folder being silly because of the 2000 addons I've put through it over time

[gleaming pawn]

I’m not sure about moving, but it can be hidden pretty sure. With Capping installed I can’t remember the last time I saw that score frame vs just the capping bar

[dapper chasm]

Thinking of doing that, but I find it useful, shows flags held etc

[vocal surge]

/cast BigDamageBuff
/cast Shadow Blades +100% Damage Buff
/cast Symbol of Death +100% Damage Buff
/cast Some stun that deals damage??? and +500% damage amp
/cast Secret Technique```

What the average rogue complainer thinks our macro is

[dapper chasm]

I honestly get weirded out before I one shot someone now - like, my brother in Christ, can you not see me pop blades and start building flag stacks?

What do you think I'm doing here? Baking a cake?

[potent pivot]

anyone saying sub is a better outlul is cooking, cooking spoiled food

[gleaming pawn]

Damnit NoTrickz, I refuse to play Outlaw again

[severe helm]

hover over that outlaw

[dark kernel]

Outlaw probably won't be super damage strong next patch, it may be, but it's survival is fucking DUMB

[severe helm]

aint no outlaw genuinely doing 870k dps without pad on pets

[dark kernel]

Float like a butterfly with new feint

Is busted

[severe helm]

it literally got nerfed from last season

so why would it do double the dps

the math aint addin up

[potent pivot]

there was no pets to pad on

[severe helm]

wolfies

either that or they just natty 5 rolled on the start

I mean outlaw explicitly got nerfed

and it wasnt doing 870k last season

outside of like very short games where you just roll them

[potent pivot]

wdym nerfed

the pvp talents?

[severe helm]

it lost two throughput pvp talents

yes

[dark kernel]

Outlaw only lost damage

[potent pivot]

i think the buffs more than counteract that

[severe helm]

what buffs...

[dark kernel]

What buff did outlaw get

[potent pivot]

???

[severe helm]

sleight of hand?

brother

[potent pivot]

+6% damage?

where have you been

[dark kernel]

Nope

[potent pivot]

did that one specify not in pvp or something

[severe helm]

I honestly forgot they got 6% but sub also got 10%

[dark kernel]

That was to rupture samage

[severe helm]

but also I think a single sample size of pre season bicmex and his buddy shitting on some randos isnt evidence

frankly

[dark kernel]

Outlaw got no damage modifications

[severe helm]

like I could post this from last season but it doesnt mean outlaw does this much damage normally...

[severe helm]

it got 6% hes right though

[potent pivot]

thats not what im talking about

[potent pivot]

ye

like wtf

gas lighters

[severe helm]

but sub got this

[dark kernel]

When was that because I'm looking at 11.1 patch notes and that's not even in it

[potent pivot]

that was on PTR

[severe helm]

it literally is

im looking at them

[severe helm]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-official-patch-notes-373971

this is the official patch notes

[dark kernel]

I saw it now. Second area of notes

[potent pivot]

and also the trickster buffs

that outlaw was playing trickster

[dark kernel]

I...would be surprised if we play that

[severe helm]

trickster does pump I played it a lot last season

but trickster didnt get buffed other than its aoe damage

I thought

[dark kernel]

I liked trickster sub

You are correct

[potent pivot]

i doubt that we don't play it after the buffs

[dark kernel]

And by 5%

[severe helm]

eh

quadruple grapple is big

and trickster LOST the charge on coup

which is actually tragic

[potent pivot]

sure

but the dmg difference is going to be noticeable

[severe helm]

wdym

the 6%?

[potent pivot]

no

[severe helm]

this?

cuz thats all it got lol

[potent pivot]

...

[dark kernel]

Unseen blade damage increased 15%

[dark kernel]

But I still question if it will be worth

[potent pivot]

that is not all it got mewo

[severe helm]

ooooh they did baseline buffs but thats for both sub and outlaw

[potent pivot]

yes

that crit dmg buff

is what is most notable

imo

[severe helm]

ah yeah we talked about that

[potent pivot]

indeed

[dark kernel]

Id have to see numbers from in arena matches first

To see how pvp xrit modifier and vers affects it

[severe helm]

trickster is fun I hope it becomes the meta build

[potent pivot]

i just posted

[severe helm]

its also a loooot harder to play though

[potent pivot]

bicmex is doing shuffle war games

with an outlaw

right now

[dark kernel]

Those numbers are clearly bullshit

[severe helm]

I mean

theyre real

[potent pivot]

???????

[severe helm]

but not necessarily common

they might be exceptions

like my own screenshot

of me doing 780k last season

as fatebound

like

[dark kernel]

Details fucks with damage numbers when you are in a shuffle and leave it.

In rated pvp

[severe helm]

it lowers them

[gleaming pawn]

I know you’re losing your mind right now, but this whole conversation from the outside is hilarious

[severe helm]

never increases them

[potent pivot]

that was mid game

[potent pivot]

its so dumb lol

[severe helm]

I just dont think a single screenshot from a shuffle is enough to say "outlaw is clearly going to destroy sub"

[potent pivot]

like obviously tuning is still going to happen, these numbers barely matter right now

[severe helm]

thats just silly

[potent pivot]

but the gas lighting is hilarious ngl

[dark kernel]

I just functionally do not believe outlaw consistent damage is going to remain that high in proportion to people with in season gear which is why I don't believe it

[severe helm]

just not the right way to use data haha

[dark kernel]

Like it doesn't matter if he did it in current gear

It's irrelevant

[severe helm]

I dont even think thats the point

[potent pivot]

ye it was a joke aimed directly at you

[severe helm]

lol

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

went over my head haha

[potent pivot]

lmao

on another note surv is looking decent again

🔥

[gleaming pawn]

Has Nahj been theorycrafting a Trickster Sub build yet? If I dabble with Sub it will be playing Trickster and I don’t want to do the leg work to figure out the best talents on my own

[severe helm]

he already played it last season

into any comp where you cleave

[potent pivot]

basically nothing has changed

as far as regular talent builds go

you either play flag or don't, that's the only real choice

[severe helm]

I thought he just never plays flag

as both trickstrer and deathstalker

he said flag is "cringe" lol

[gleaming pawn]

ahh, cool thank you

[potent pivot]

nahj tends to not play flag ye

but flag is still very good

especially in low/mid range games

if you're at the top end flag can be too easily predictable

[dapper chasm]

what's the alternative?

[potent pivot]

deeper daggers

[dapper chasm]

Literally worse just so it's easier?

[potent pivot]

it isn't about difficulty

[dapper chasm]

Sounds it to me

[potent pivot]

just predictability

[dapper chasm]

That's up to us, isn't it?

If we get a defensive by popping flag, which has no downside

[potent pivot]

eh

[dapper chasm]

And keep our actual burst for later, like we should

If it's being predicted, use it as bait

[potent pivot]

@severe helm

is there a consolidated post of all 11.1 changes? i can never find it

[severe helm]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-official-patch-notes-373971

should be this

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-is-now-live-in-north-america-launch-trailer-374250

this is the full post

[potent pivot]

Season 2 Patch Notes

• Updates to builds coming soon, likely first week of the season.

[potent pivot]

anyone think an updated gearing guide would be helpful for s2?

lots of people were confused on how to get geared at the start of the expac

open to suggestions for any other resource ideas as well

[dark kernel]

If I recall the mastery from flag has some weird math to how it's affected by stat DRs and good players are going to base using a defensive around shadow blades anyway

[gleaming pawn]

The most important bit to pin to cut down on questions is just what set pieces the specs want

[dark kernel]

Flag just makes burst rotation clunky and slightly delayed.

[gleaming pawn]

I don’t think anything else would really be required, but people always surprise me with the questions they ask

[potent pivot]

well at the beginning of the expansion the pvp gearing system had some newer things that a lot of returning players had no idea how to use

so i made https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

just kinda pin pointing what pieces to buy first, enchants etc

[dapper chasm]

As opposed to what? 8% more on Rupture IF you also get the bottom talent?

[potent pivot]

the only issue with the tier set pieces is that no one knows what we're going to use until like 4 weeks into the season, when they actually get tested

[dapper chasm]

Secret Technique being a tinge higher?

I can understand if it was Flag vs something actually good

[dark kernel]

I'd be kind of surprised if all specs don't use 4pc this season. Maybe not sub

Stats are all around pretty decent

[potent pivot]

wdym 8% on rupture

[dark kernel]

He's on the flag vs deeper daggers stuff

[potent pivot]

sub does a decent amount of shadow dmg

[dapper chasm]

I don't run dark brew

[dark kernel]

You should have

[potent pivot]

dark brew/deeper daggers also increase your Blades evis dmg

[dapper chasm]

Shadowcraft's back to back evis/st isn't a joke either

[dark kernel]

You have that too.

[dapper chasm]

Plus it allows me to play very nicely with 100 energy

You mean drop danse?

[dark kernel]

Nope. You have that too

Lmao

What build are you running?

[dapper chasm]

Just my own

[potent pivot]

you don't have to take triple symbols

you can just take 1 point

[dapper chasm]

Sure, but I like supercharger

[potent pivot]

i think we all like supercharger

[dark kernel]

CUQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAMz2MAAAAAAMbjxy0YmFegZYMYmZmZGzYWGzYssMMDzMGjZWGDAAAAzwMsZ2mxsNDjFGWmZbahWmFYA

Yeah Notrickz said it

[dapper chasm]

The way I see it, I will blade BEFORE flag - to make sure I get 30 stacks

[dark kernel]

Your issue is the sumbols

[dapper chasm]

So if the def cd on blades, I will get to keep flag

[dark kernel]

I see what you're saying and it's a right idea, the issue is you're going to be stopped

What you are doing is essentially planning to be on DR from CC to line up unstoppable burst

It's just not....likely.

In reality as soon as people see blades you're going to be stunned, disarmed, novad, feared, etc. and you'll maybe hit a target with 3 seconds of blades active

[dapper chasm]

All that stuff will happen anyway

[potent pivot]

can you guys see all the Threads of the channel?

[severe helm]

I dont see any threads for #pvp

[dark kernel]

Can you link the forward?

[dark kernel]

I dont

[potent pivot]

click the threads at the top

[severe helm]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

ok, thanks

[severe helm]

I think I must hav eto contribute to them for htem to pop up on the side here

[potent pivot]

didn't know if "Closed" threads were still visible to all users or not

[potent pivot]

yes, you have to "Join" them to see them on the side bar. by either posting, being tagged in the thread, or clicking "Join"

[dark kernel]

Yeah it's there just I'm on mobile

[potent pivot]

just wanted to make sure the bug threads were visible to everyone because i have them linked in the pins

i just need to update them

[dark kernel]

I don't know if you have them noted but there are new feint bugs

[dapper chasm]

No subterfuge and no double vanish? what is this build?

[dark kernel]

Nahj is keeping count I've monitored I can pull what spells are affected

[dark kernel]

You can run subter that's fine.

Some people play single vanish tea for big hits

[dapper chasm]

Going back to 100 energy really opened my eyes to how it's totally enough

[potent pivot]

such as?

[dark kernel]

Druid Maim and warrior shockwave do not proc pre-emptive maneuver honor talent

From Nahj testing last night

[potent pivot]

[dapper chasm]

NO SHIV?

Oh, come on now

It's the ultimate fuck you to the off target as you run past

In what world is a slight boost to sprint speed better than shiv?

Shiv can win you a game, sprint wont

[gleaming pawn]

Focus on Blitz maybe? Shiv is largely garbage in Blitz

[dapper chasm]

Fuck me, I missed tricks of the trade - so many DPS out there that should not be getting a flat 15% damage boost

[dapper chasm]

I only do arena for rated

BGs are for relaxing

[gleaming pawn]

You should definitely do more Blitz this season, so you can lose your mind at what your teammates end up doing to throw a game

[dapper chasm]

Oh, I had my fun with rated BGs back in cata

We had nearly 100% win rate

But getting all those fucks together was a nightmare

And the queue times... jesus

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah… RBGs in Cata are some of my
best and worst pvp memories

[dapper chasm]

My strats were from art of war

Straight up

I had a rule of "minimum possible force"

If one guy is dying but keeping 4 of them occupied, go for it, son

It's a purely numbers game

[dark kernel]

BgBlitz as rogue is actually worse for my blood pressure than shuffle

When the game is like half your responsibility.

[dapper chasm]

Surprised to hear that, as rogues we have one of the largest influences on team matches

[dapper chasm]

So why be mad?

Get good!

[dark kernel]

Mmhmm

I'll be as good as Jennacide

[gleaming pawn]

Blitz maps don’t work in our favor as much. For instance AB nodes lock once capped for a period of time, making ninja capping harder

[dapper chasm]

Damn

That's weird

[gleaming pawn]

CTF maps are still a skilled rogue playground

But they hardly come up

[dark kernel]

Nah BGs are great for rogue, depending on how your team plays

[dapper chasm]

Not to show off, but I'm actually a ahem MASTER of CTF

Certified

[gleaming pawn]

Lol

[dark kernel]

I've had games where I single handedly win games, and games where I'm fighting my team more to do what needs to happen.

[gleaming pawn]

I would flex too but I am not home ☹️

[dapper chasm]

Ultimate flex is I did it when the game was relevant

[dark kernel]

I would never play a CTF map again if I could

[dapper chasm]

I queue WSG for fun

[dark kernel]

Gross.

[dapper chasm]

We all have our sick fetishes

[dark kernel]

I did the original rank14 grind back in the day and not again

Bg achievements can suck my ass

[dapper chasm]

I started in classic, but didn't hit max level till TBC

[gleaming pawn]

You and I are much the same it looks like, I shall send my qualifications tonight

[dapper chasm]

I was there, Gandalf, when achievements launched

[gleaming pawn]

Also CTF is the goat, I would only play CTF if I could. WSG was my home back in the day

[dapper chasm]

That's the beauty of WSG, you see?

Your team means very little

Just Ironman+Wrecking Ball every game

If they're being farmed on graveyard, that means you get the kills to yourself

[gleaming pawn]

Back in the old days, I could zone into an 0-2 WSG and turn it around to win

[dark kernel]

This is my old rogue discontinued in wotlk

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[dapper chasm]

My brother, I still got the mog

WotLK, BiS

[dark kernel]

What I was pointing out is that he also has Conqueror achievement already too

[dapper chasm]

Before my time

[dark kernel]

I had triple exalted when achievements became a thing

[dapper chasm]

I didn't really get into PvP till wrath

Was a... PvE nerd

[dark kernel]

Nobody understands the pain of WSG exalted in vanilla WoW pre 1.14 patch

You got 105 rep a win

[dapper chasm]

But luckily I lost my virginity and insta got into PvP

[dark kernel]

I just want to get a glad title

[dapper chasm]

I love this new city zone

But I really wish people stopped jumping into fair 1v1s

It's like instantly 3 others come in to save their bro who attacked me out of stealth and AFK

Luckily being caught out of stealth means very little nowdays

Used to be an instant death sentence

[ionic orbit]

What are some of the best gear options for rogue pvp and how do you get the gear?

[severe helm]

almost all bis pvp gear comes from conquest

or from crafted conquest gear

there are no sources outside of pvp that are valuable in pvp

so there istn any raid gear or m+ gear you need

just world pvp/conquest

[twilit swan]

Yeah goal is to hit 1800 first time

[proper heath]

Cna we talk about how awesome the gouge change is

Garrote rupture not breaking gouge. Sits full.

[potent pivot]

yeah it's nice

[proper heath]

I think assa stonks went way up this patch. I think mechanically we are so nice atm.

Just a numbers game now with tier set.

Might be oof.......

[twilit swan]

In terms of simplicity for a beginner, what addons are nice qol but not too extreme on the UI

[potent pivot]

there's a list of addons in the pins

[proper heath]

Is gladius working for anyone? Is that broken too?

[potent pivot]

some of them are kind hard required like Gladius

[twilit swan]

Oo nice

[proper heath]

My gladius is dead af.

[twilit swan]

Require hard setup though ?

[potent pivot]

nah

Gladius you can just install

[twilit swan]

Trying to go for the most simple clean UI I can go with

[potent pivot]

you just have to make sure you keep it updated every couple weeks, or every day on patch release (like right now)

pvp has gotten pretty addon dependent

[twilit swan]

I want to knock that out before I get into pvp

[potent pivot]

but the set up isn't as bad as it used to be

like BetterBlizzPlates and BetterBlizzFrames have preloaded profiles you can just choose from

[twilit swan]

Nice I’ll check those out

Is there an add on that allows me to delete things from my UI, standard wow things like chat and quests etc.

[potent pivot]

WeakAuras requires a bit more set up, or importing someone else's auras.. not hard required for more casual level play though

uhh

[twilit swan]

Yeah, I’m coming in extremely casual but want to learn from the ground up

[potent pivot]

MoveAny has some functionality for removing things

like the quest tracker

idk about chat

[proper heath]

So fun fact. I swapped my outlaw rogue to assa with Haste Crit stats. I'm lowest damage every game. Triple bleeds doesn't matter. I do negative dam. It's hilarious.

[dark kernel]

Yep

[acoustic junco]

Diminish is the best pvp addon

[severe helm]

my gladiusex is broken entirely

[severe helm]

I mean id give up diminish before gladius 1000%

[twilit swan]

Is there a specific BG that is better for grinding full honor ?

Or just Que for em all and get what I get

[potent pivot]

queue all ye

[twilit swan]

Dope thanks

Once full honor is achieved is there something else I should aim for ?

[potent pivot]

umm

[twilit swan]

Or just wait since conquest is time gated until the season starts

[potent pivot]

you're going to want to have some gold

you can earn conquest right now and buy season 1 gear

bloody token gear as well

that gear will just be replaced with honor gear

so its w/e

[twilit swan]

Ooooo

[potent pivot]

but you're def gonna need gold for enchants and crafted gear

[twilit swan]

Yeah I never got into crafting so idk too much about it

Wonder why they don’t allow for honor gear to be released on the first week

[gleaming pawn]

Gladius and Gladiusex usually take a while to get fixed because no one really maintains them anymore. Best bet is to run the Bicmex fork of Gladius because he gets it updated asap

[dark kernel]

Gladiusex had update today

[dapper chasm]

Pretty sure that was a TOC bump

[gleaming sentinel]

Really hard to tell what’s gonna be what, damage is all over the place right now

Trying to figure out what spec to play for rmp

[gleaming pawn]

Probably Outlaw or Sub still. Sin is still the squishiest Rogue spec and doesn’t play well with a mage removing your bleeds

[raven schooner]

Damn why did outlaw PvP talents get fucked

Take your cut and enduring brawler feelsbadman

[potent pivot]

"to encourage more variety" basically

[raven schooner]

Hilarious to hear, I mained WW last season and we took the same 2 talents about 100% of games

[potent pivot]

ye that's how outlaw was

[gleaming pawn]

Did they fix enduring brawler? Because it was borderline useless/bugged back in DF

[potent pivot]

pretty sure

we've been using it for ages

take your cut/enduring brawler/x

[glass robin]

Anyone mind schooling me on best rogue spec for bg blitz? Never really played the class, but wanna try to farm the mog this season not sure which spec to roll

[potent pivot]

Rogue in general is one of the strongest classes for blitz

Play whatever you like or are better with

[glass robin]

any specific strengths of one spec vs another? Team fights, etc. ?

[potent pivot]

Not really, all 3 are good at playing objectives

Assa can do the best in team fights but that generally isn’t the rogues job

[glass robin]

Yeah figured as much TY

[severe helm]

Assa is prob the best team fight spec in the game

Sub is the best at taking bases

Outlaw is mobile

Outlaw is prob the weakest of the 3 but is still a rogue so is strong

[hidden moth]

outlaw in good on some maps

only spec that can get to other side of eots and stop team from capping their home base

[molten hedge]

Is the best/hero spec the same for outlaw rn or is it too early to know

[potent pivot]

Fatebound is still good, but trickster will likely be good now too

Will be weird playing without 4 hooks but if it does more dmg I’m sure many will swap to it

For arena I mean

[severe helm]

That's not true actually haha

Both mage and boomy can

And demon hunter

[severe helm]

Yeah there's lots of matchups where 4 grapples is totally unnecessary

[ionic orbit]

where do you spend conquest points on pvp gear?

[severe helm]

There's a pvp vendor in the south east part of dornogal

Where the target dummies are

Across that circle inside

[ionic orbit]

thanks

[ionic orbit]

did blizzard take away that rogue pvp talent where you could have a "hidden" 1 on 1 duel with an enemy for about 5 seconds? The one where their teammates wouldn't know they were being attacked

[potent pivot]

yes

[waxen meteor]

correct

shadow duel is gone

[ionic orbit]

dang that sucks

I never even got to use it

[winter seal]

Or you can sap cap their base as ass. Have 3 people come to defend, you delay as long as possible and somehow your team loses flag and your other base

Sorry. You brought up a repressed memory

[worthy crag]

So sub set bonus looks a bit hilarious

now the game literally wants you to not press evis at all outside of dance

[ionic orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/short-fight-tall-gif-21229601

How I feel doing pvp as a fresh level 80 with no pvp gear

[potent tiger]

so is nightelf still the go-to after all the racial buffs

[outer sky]

WTF

[cyan wind]

Warriors aren't overtuned

[wanton breach]

ahahaha wtf

that's some patch tuning shenanigans

[vocal surge]

Trickster feels incomplete without that Charge baked into Coup

[proper heath]

Wait for tuning and honor gear

Higher hp and some nerfs will bring it back in line , shuffle is borked arm . People getting one shot left right and center

[harsh kiln]

the best part about warriors MS atm is when they kill themselves on firemages Barrier<3

that 100% damage reflect is top^

[gusty hedge]

yes. and some reason Grappling hook not working on small things anymore. outlaw feeels off to play

[gleaming sentinel]

I thought I was crazy, but I feel like grapple goes on cd after failing so much more often now

[jolly sierra]

is dodge bug still active?

[gusty hedge]

yeah much more often. you used to be able to hook onto edges and roofs and some trees , now you can't even do that like the mobility has been cut drastically in my opinion and a lot of the time it just says path not available really almost feel like not playing out on next season just from the mobility decrease on hook

[stoic spruce]

It's fixed in instanced content

[daring prism]

Hi, I'm new to rogues. What spec do you recommend I start doing pvp with?

[stoic spruce]

Assa

[verbal field]

guys would you actually recommend using a mmo mouse? never used such a mouse but im really considering it esp for pvp

and maybe reworking all bindings, macros could actually help improving

[outer sky]

Lots of people use them, lots of people don't. Theyre certainly not mandatory. I couldn't imagine playing the game without mine though

[verbal field]

which are u using?

[dark kernel]

Id go with Corsair scimitar

The Razer naga is also amazing, but Razer mice don't last for shit

[verbal field]

heard lot of ppl say that the mousewheel on the scimitar is a problem

[dark kernel]

There's a steel series option too

But not much else

[outer sky]

I use the now discontinued Logitech G600

I'll eventually need to replace it

dreading that day

nothing on the market is as good

I can't imagine why they discontinued it. I've never heard anyone say anything negative about it

seemed very well received

and they didnt' even replace it with anything

[dapper chasm]

Glorious makes excellent mice

[pastel burrow]

🫡

it was peak

[twilit swan]

Ngl keybinding everything is rough when starting off

W/ so many abilities

[dark kernel]

The big question for me is. What kind of MMR reset we are getting next week

Hard reset, soft, or none

[halcyon timber]

Probably a hard reset

[dark kernel]

The population so small though. No reset would be best.

[halcyon timber]

Dunno, up to them in what is healthiest despite public opinion

Last season may have been an experiment for data collection purposes and finding a healthy medium is likely the outcome

[deft spear]

Worth buying AH algari set to have a bit of fun over the weekend and stack honor? guess i'd be around 10 or 15k gold or just use undermine gear?

[potent pivot]

Just use w/e you’ve got, it won’t be a good time in AH greens either

[hidden moth]

Late reply but I usually see 2 people at their base and weirdly people have been sitting palas as well

[hidden moth]

I use a razor naga v3 has 12 side buttons can swap the panel to only 7 if u don’t need as many also the mouse wheel tilts left and right for 2 more keybinds

[dark kernel]

The algari bullshit is way too expensive. I just ruin people's day by being a bot for a day or 2

I'm not paying 80K for dog shit gear

[stoic spruce]

Penor exploding season

[severe helm]

yeah war MS randomly hits so hard

whats stupid is its totally random

MS has always had probably the widest damage range of any ability

no fucking clue why but its been this way since SL

[potent pivot]

that other shit they just started running is hitting really hard too

demolish?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[potent pivot]

i've heard it's bugged

could just be overtuned tho idk

demolish just hits for like 3.5m every time

line that up with a giga MS next global and you just deleted whatever poor soul was in your way

[severe helm]

ive ran into a few wars and outside of 1 shotting with MS they werent too scary

disc is p fun rn

[potent pivot]

dunno i'm not queuing much during off season

but the few good ones i've seen just double everyone's damage

doing legit like 1m dps

[agile kite]

do you guys think hunter or arcane mage kits better in blitz

[potent pivot]

hunter is really good in blitz

[harsh kiln]

i can confirm this, my scroll wheel broke 4 weeks after i bought it

[verbal field]

ye thats why Im not shur

[harsh kiln]

besides that it's a great mouse though

[stoic spruce]

https://youtu.be/awdvkqvYrDA
Who remembers this banger?

[verbal field]

but is this something what can be fixed?

[dapper chasm]

It's no six silent shadows

They sent an army after him, a real army

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxl7gghGnEY

My sexual preference is 480p

[stoic spruce]

@chrome schooner has anyone ever told you they watch your old guides for the nostalgia?

[stoic spruce]

It's a whole episode

[vocal surge]

back when Enduring Brawler was +1% STA and Sinister Strike Chance and caps at 20 stacks

instead of 15 stacks max w. only 1% Sinister Strike Chance

[stoic spruce]

Bro gets it

[vocal surge]

That wasn't what carried it thou

It was the conduit stacked with that version of Enduring Brawler

Prepared for All

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-member-memberberries-south-park-i-remember-oh-yeah-gif-20408218

What a banger expac tbh

Had so much potential

[vocal surge]

Dodging attacks reduces the remaining cooldown of Evasion by 2.0 sec.

Successful interrupts with Kick reduce the remaining cooldown of Cloak of Shadows by 4.0

The CDR for both Cloak of Shadows and Evasion from this Conduit increased the higher ilvl it was

[stoic spruce]

This is pretty cool ngl

[dapper chasm]

I only just noticed they killed the music though

The music was 80% of the nostalgia

[stoic spruce]

I wish private servers weren't so garbage

I'd never show face here

[severe helm]

hunt for sure

arcane can still be quite strong though

both hunt and mage are sleeper OP specs for blitz frankly

[dapper chasm]

What is our current standing in duels or 1v1 situations?

Like, what's our top 3 and bottom 3 matchups?

I assume we ignore healers

[agile kite]

meant to say kites* but im assuming hunter still wins that - for some reason mage feels very arena focused but the ice wall edition has made them insane in blitz

[severe helm]

oh kites?

ummmm

I think mage in general kites harder than hunter but not by much

just cuz blink/shimmer is such a low cd

but as a whole I find it easier to connect to a hunter than a mage

but thats specifically as a rogue so idk how other specs feel

[chrome schooner]

You can be amongst the first :p
I miss those past times as well. I think the game was more ... fun ? then, because the playing pace of soloq, which essentially replaced 2v2 and drained some away from 3v3, is slow, you log, you wait, you play a bit, maybe someone leaves, etc

In the past you could log in go 2v2 with fun builds for 30min, mix it up etc

It was cool !

[severe helm]

yeah community has just changed a lot

people prefer to play with those that they know

instead of hopping around to others

[dark kernel]

I feel so old

All the metas in WoW history.

[potent tiger]

how yall feeling about racials? NE still basically mandatory?

[potent pivot]

Pretty much

[jolly sierra]

u should catalog it by xp as a memento or maybe a way to play when we reach classic servers in the game versions you covered in the past

[stoic spruce]

Died in a fear by a filthy lock

Never again

[jolly sierra]

it would be funny, both for nostslgia and a viable way to play when we return to BFA classic onwards

[stoic spruce]

I'm using my racial much more aggressively now

[jolly sierra]

ye, u are undead and i am sure u have an aggressive personality in pvp

u shouldnt let him breath

[stoic spruce]

:O

It's like you know me

Or something

[jolly sierra]

like like ye, i read minds homie

[stoic spruce]

That's amazing

[dapper chasm]

Mandatory? Really?

Kinda having fun removing BoP and shit here

Also, I figured out my addon issue from the other day - Turns out Leatrix plus wasn't the one blocking MoveAny, it was SexyMap - In case anyone had a similar issue

[hidden moth]

On belf?

[dapper chasm]

Since TBC, baby

[surreal ravine]

pvp rogue died ?

[hidden moth]

I can see that being good if there isn’t a lot of other magic effects up for dispel protection

[hidden moth]

Did didn’t dispel in tbc it silenced 😉

[dapper chasm]

Yeah, I used to think the same so I got a dispel tracker

[hidden moth]

Huge

[dapper chasm]

AND gave energy

[hidden moth]

Trueee

[dapper chasm]

But, honestly, I hit BoP like 90% of the time

[hidden moth]

Though rn for rogue meta racials I think nelf is very strong