sounds about right, report them inside the match
#pvp
potent pivot
radiant glen
actually the most chad player
potent pivot
and screenshot their names
radiant glen
sounds about right, report them inside the match
im out of it now
and dont care enough
potent pivot
:/
radiant glen
wintrading at 2800 is wild tho
potent pivot
its happening at anything above 2k rn i think
stoic spruce
Chat I may finally get chat banned
potent pivot
not really
winter seal
I thought I was gonna get win traded yesterday. Then it turned out this rdruid just wanted to run it on themselves and went 1-5
potent pivot
proper heath
I need an addon that texts me on my phone when solo que pops
potent pivot
im gonna miss this last set because q wont pop now 
got into 1 20 min ago and someone insta left it
now sitting in limbo 
oh well
potent pivot
priest
radiant glen
which do you think is best this season?
proper heath
for once .
people using the ready lever
🙂
I literally can't play rogue mage this season
everytime I blind and everytime My mage polys. It's a complete rng if the cc breaks
Unless the healer is 90 yards a way
severe helm
You know I cant even count the number of times that accidentally picking up the eye has lost me the game
proper heath
Nice lance. breaks it. Splitting ice. breaks it. Oh random meteor . Breaks it. You nice novad. breaks it.
gleaming pawn
Make no mistake, those were not pvp changes. They are aimed squarely at M+
severe helm
it trolls me so hard lol
I wish you could cloak off that debuff
10 seconds where I cant vanish is tragic
proper heath
Yo also. I feel like sub rogue stonks are gonna go down. Isn't shadowy duel getting removed?
Thats like .....40% of their kit at low rating.
severe helm
ngl they never should have made the cc reduction change
proper heath
not gonna play rogue mage. It didn't feel good this season.
stoic spruce
I wish you could cloak off that debuff
Can't you cancel aura it?
severe helm
would have saved the game I swear
proper heath
I mean the cc changes will help. But its still so sus
stoic spruce
Dang
proper heath
Rather just play with some flavor of lock, and just fear
proper heath
BTW assa Frost was a joke this season. Mage Poly. Bye Bye dots. 10 times per game. And then every healer atm is a holy paladin. And thats like 3 bubbles.
severe helm
precog should just make it so that your next cast you have cc immunity for
jaunty osprey
all 5 of my rogues
severe helm
not for 4 seconds
severe helm
all 5 of my rogues
im 2 spots out lol
just went 4-2 when I should have 5-1 cuz of picking up the ey
very sad
And now peopel are trolling the queues
5/6
over and over
5/6
potent pivot
im fallin asleep waiting for this one
proper heath
Hold up!
Veil of Midnight (PvP Talent) has been removed.
Sadge! I'm gonna get wrecked by ferals
The following PvP talents have been removed:
Enduring Brawler
Take Your Cut
SUPER sadge for outlaw.
indigo hill
We got 1 new pvp talent? That extra damage reduction on feint.
proper heath
yes. but it's insane though.
Feint will be like pain suppression during stuns. 😮
Rip ? Other sub rogues?
proper heath
The Sub rogue has press dance. I have instantly feinted.
The sub rogue looks in my direction, I have pre feinted.
I'm off DR for any reason. I'm pre feinting like a champ. It will just make pressing feint a good button. a great button.
I mean , with elusiveness, it makes feint the strongest defensive pvp talent in the game no?
It's the get good.....Get pain supression button.
dapper chasm
I didn't read all messages because I'm cool but about people talking about subterfuge bugs earlier: don't use stealth bars. Use normal bars for everything and use stance modifiers in macros
This also gets rid of any bar swapping latency
proper heath
The only button that you care about swapping in Backstab right?
I normally have cheapshot on my bars as sub. and it doesn't bar swap. I just cant use it when I'm not in stealth/dance. And then I have backstab somewhere in africa.
with that, there really isn't any other button that needs to swap during dance? right?
normal zealot
Is there anything worth doing with leftover conquest from this season?
stoic spruce
Buy gear and sell for gold
normal zealot
Buy gear and sell for gold
damn lol
brazen ravine
Whats your key for feint ?
I dont really know where to put it since Im a giga noob and I dont use it enough in PVE and I must use it everytime in pvp
jolly sierra
the 4
normal zealot
Whats your key for feint ?
I dont really know where to put it since Im a giga no...
Shift f6
jolly sierra
what the
normal zealot
open thunder
vocal surge
Only while stunned
mental raptor
Can anyone on US servers, confirm if we can still buy conquest gear in the off season for the non-elite mog?
vocal surge
Discord delay hitting hard lol
hidden moth
We get the new spec changes today ya?
Also is s2 honor gear out yet or is that next Tuesday
hybrid palm
Do bloody tokens reset ?
jaunty osprey
We get the new spec changes today ya?
Yes
jaunty osprey
Also is s2 honor gear out yet or is that next Tuesday
Should be next Tues
jaunty osprey
Do bloody tokens reset ?
Yes
gusty hedge
river pollen
Yoo how we subs lookin in season 2 does anyone know
hidden moth
Assa buffs though
dapper chasm
with that, there really isn't any other button that needs to swap during dance? ...
Well, my dance button turns to cheapshot, so that's one example
hidden moth
So next Tuesday for honor gear rip
Can we still do arenas and stuff just unrated or is it just bgs
dapper chasm
only thing that's changed is shadowy duel is gone
I can't get over this
Literally the only good change since Cata
And they remove it
dapper chasm
It was just so flexible - so many different ways to fuck people over
I don't know why, but dueling a healer as they are about to rescue their bro hits even harder than dancing said bro
Pouring one out for my boy Shadowy Duel
mystic pasture
How does Cold Blood benefit kingsbane?
mystic pasture
I am assuming it is just benefitting the initial hit, but is that worth it?
I saw it in this vid: https://youtu.be/iJP224WbQ7Q
chrome schooner
I am assuming it is just benefitting the initial hit, but is that worth it?
Exactly, and no
jaunty osprey
It is, even this season you could hit a 1.8m Kingsbane crit (initial hit) and the dot ticks for like 500k plus per tick
It isn’t AWFUL, you can definitely instagib people w it
chrome schooner
The issue with those builds really is that to actually do the advertised damage you need people to be low (to trigger the execute range) or to have no defensives, even though you're using your damage (so they just used defensives on ... air).
It works in that blitz example because no healers are involved for instance
so he "oneshots" a shaman who's already at 50% health and has already spent his defensives
jaunty osprey
Not necessarily, you really lose nothing grabbing those extra talents
You still have your typical bleed damage build, you just lose SBS for KB
and then you’d lose 1 combo point for cold blood, but gain lethality which works well with fan of knives
It’s the same playstyle, with one extra button
chrome schooner
Losing SBS for KB isn't a small loss anymore
jaunty osprey
Idk what to tell you, I’ve played KB in a lot of my games this season without cold blood, and it does 4-5% of overall
chrome schooner
It's not like you cannot play it
But this oneshot thing is a bit of a scam in actual games
mystic pasture
I will still give it a go for fun. I don't usually bother with arena anyhow. I had been using supercharger + KB
pastel burrow
I can't get over this
Make a macro telling people you've shadowy dueled them
I'm sure they'll respect the rules
safe pelican
Pouring one out for my boy Shadowy Duel
Rip 2 bro, he ain’t never did nobody wrong 🪽
dapper chasm
Make a macro telling people you've shadowy dueled them
Oh, don't worry - I'm sub
All duels are shadowy by nature
But everytime I vanish and so does the opponent rogue, but we catch each other and start shadowstriking
Our eyes will meet, and so will our hearts
severe helm
Rip 2 bro, he ain’t never did nobody wrong 🪽
wont be missed
potent pivot
Can anyone on US servers, confirm if we can still buy conquest gear in the off s...
When servers are up I’ll check
I think currencies resets next week but idr
potent pivot
just needed one more 😦
potent pivot
@jaunty osprey has been keeping up with that stuff i think
ik the api was all fucked up a while back but it kinda looks like it was fixed
tender ember
one shows fkin 14 spots other 9
tender ember
yea
jaunty osprey
6 real spots not including alts
tender ember
for real only 6? xd
glass hazel
rip ;x
tender ember
haha ok so gotta do 1 more
gritty peak
Baboon boutta crash out
gritty peak
You got this king
tender ember
shows 9 now
jaunty osprey
That means ppl r climbing
Next leaderboard update in API is in 1 hr 40 mins
so u can see who is where
tender ember
tho surprised even estimated was wrong about places
jaunty osprey
But for guaranteed spots, it’s 6
The estimated updates once per day
so it will show orange aka safe
for a rating threshold
But as people queue and pass it
they will show orange/safe r1
better to count spots than look at the rating
tender ember
yea, ty a alot
jaunty osprey
EU doesnt have many people pushing alts, just Wayne, Shade and Akro
So rank 6 or better
is best
tender ember
at least i know i gotta send 1m
jaunty osprey
NA had me with 5 alts and Val with two so it’s skewed
severe helm
you can check how many spots there are by just scrolling to where they start counting from
I think for shuffle thats 1k rating?
so 0.1% of that with a minimum of 3 spots
the cutoff values sourced from blizz api often take a long time to update
tender ember
seemed like those cut off sites were wrong all time
then
cos never rly seen only 6 spots
severe helm
wdym
theyre usually only wrong when people all move up in rating very quickly like at end of season
tender ember
spot numbers are by %
potent pivot
well earlier this season it was really fucked
tender ember
why it shows 9 as estimated
potent pivot
because the site updates based on the last spot's CR
jaunty osprey
^
jaunty osprey
And the “CR” for rank 1 is only updated once per day
not even coded that way
it’s the way it’s pulled from Blizzard
potent pivot
kek
severe helm
well they could code it such that they count the number of spots
and this wouldnt be an issue
potent pivot
wasn't the blizzard api fucked a while back
tender ember
ok i see
potent pivot
so the new CR for spots never updated
severe helm
cuz the number of people over 1k rating wont change that often
potent pivot
and showed way too many spots
jaunty osprey
severe helm
so they should be able to do that
jaunty osprey
Shows assa as 2954
Not a single person with that rating
essentially just .1% of the number of ppl above 1k rating
BUT
what mewo didnt account for is
the people who dropped below 1k
NA has 7 spots despite 6.1k assas
jaunty osprey
well they could code it such that they count the number of spots
Ya but the API doesnt let them
it only allows them to scrape leaderboard data like every 3 hrs
or smth like that
severe helm
they can count the spots themselves lol
if I can do it manually by scrolling to page 30 and counting how many players are above 1k and dividing by 1000
then they can do it
they just went with the easy route
of just making an api call for the "cutoff rating"
and highlighting all players above that rating
jaunty osprey
I guess ya
severe helm
I mean its fine its really not a big deal
I just wont give them a free pass saying its not possible ;P
jaunty osprey
Ya esp on the last day of szn the site owners can manual enter cutoff SPOTS and account for alts
u rite
potent pivot
I just wont give them a free pass saying its not possible ;P
doesn't make money to spend time actually working on things 
jaunty osprey
Also, every month we get a new leaderboard site post on reddit
It’s getting ridiculous
severe helm
Ya esp on the last day of szn the site owners can manual enter cutoff SPOTS and ...
well im saying they could automate it
jaunty osprey
Ya, I’m saying even if they’re too lazy to automate it, just manual enter real spots on last day
severe helm
ah
potent pivot
It’s getting ridiculous
everyone sees easy money to be had
severe helm
yeah I wouldnt expect them to do that
jaunty osprey
no easy money when I use adblocker
potent pivot
there's so many data scrapers for wow
severe helm
engineers would rather spend 10x time to automate something that takes them 1 min to do manually
severe helm
there's so many data scrapers for wow
ive thought about doing it myself LOL
severe helm
I really liked the data people post to reddit about which spec dies first in shuffle/does more damage
and correlations on that data
like how DHs do the same damage at all ratings lol
past like 1800
and it has no correlation to winrate
potent pivot
i wish we could standardize logging arenas
to an actually well coded website like WCL
potent pivot
that would be so fuckin sick
steel scarab
Wow they're removing Shadowy Duel? I totally did not predict that ability as being impossible to balance when I came back to the game during Shadowlands
potent pivot
someone made an arenalogs website
but sadly it is not very indepth whatsoever
barely anyone uses it
jaunty osprey
to an actually well coded website like WCL
YES, so people can stop feelycrafting
dapper chasm
Wow they're removing Shadowy Duel? I totally did not predict that ability as bei...
Balance on deez
jaunty osprey
can look at burst windows and overall dps and cc done etc etc
potent pivot
it would also help people learn by looking over the logs of higher ranked players
dapper chasm
I really liked the data people post to reddit about which spec dies first in shu...
Any fun stuff you remember for rogues?
potent pivot
and just looking at the ability timeline etc
steel scarab
Balance on deez
Lolol. Don't you have paperwork to turn in to your demonic corporate overlords?
potent pivot
You can still prob log
you might be able to yeah but the site doesn't have anything set up to handle it
so i have no idea what it would look like
jaunty osprey
in 11.1 or 11.0?
dapper chasm
What am I, a nerd?
jaunty osprey
11.1 aka new patch today - sub is good in PVE, so there’s a chance it’s good in pvp
duel is removed, so a win condition got removed
but bomb is still a thing
dapper chasm
Sub always scales well
Until they remember that
I find bomb generally lands kills better than ShD
But it was nice having both
severe helm
Any fun stuff you remember for rogues?
not that I remember this was back in DF
severe helm
I find bomb *generally* lands kills better than ShD
I find the opposite haha
duel is longer
and its harder to heal into/place dome
and you cant run into it
like you can with bomb
dapper chasm
I do notice some stuff myself - like if there is a rogue on enemy team, it's pretty much an auto-win as sub
dapper chasm
8:2 MU
severe helm
rogues a really good kill target for sub
dapper chasm
Oh, god yes
severe helm
assa can do decently into sub
but outlaw gets SHIT ON by sub
if you lose to outlaw as a sub rogue youre kinda trolling tbh
dapper chasm
I like that they think they're "mobile"
Babes, I can stick to frost mages
Who you?
severe helm
I mean outlaw is mobile
dapper chasm
Fight me
severe helm
its not even close
tender ember
ok i guess im pretty safe? xd
severe helm
losing step kick was a huge huge nerf imo
tender ember
tender ember
i floped 1 game tho i pre evasion+feint which is 40% wall and died in opener lmao
to ele and affli
dapper chasm
Well, what can I say?
You want me to lie and say that's acceptable?
2nd place?
That's 1st loser
Me? I aimed for 2k, and I GOT 2k
severe helm
to ele and affli
yeah ele is brutal
honestly I save drs against ele
for their first ascendence
if you dont they just force every defensive in the game
severe helm
if you cuck their first ascendence you can pretty much play super aggro for the next 2 minutes
tender ember
was monks fault i think, i prewalled @ like 65% hp
glass hazel
ele burst just insane i dunno same with devo
tender ember
i should never press clos there
glass hazel
sometimes it is just too much
tender ember
he wasnt even cced thats why i refused to press
glass hazel
anyway gz :0 3.1k huge
tender ember
ty ; )
glass hazel
1k more than me
glass hazel
3 pm
steel scarab
You guys are making me want to reinstall
I can't be satisfied with 2150
When does the season end?
glass hazel
good morning haha
gleaming pawn
you might be able to yeah but the site doesn't have anything set up to handle it
AWC uses WCL for all of the stats and arena movement things they show now, so it might be somewhere on the front end for users. But admittedly I have never looked
dapper chasm
Oh, I didn't realise he was EU
@tender ember Grats, man, great rating
Sorry, I thought it was an American 3.1
AKA. EU 2.2
potent pivot
he's also an assassman
dapper chasm
We all have weaknesses, get off his back
steel scarab
Nothing wrong with a little ass here and there
dapper chasm
Even I played with my ass back in Cata a little
It wasn't for me, but I tried it out, sure
steel scarab
LOL
potent pivot
AWC uses WCL for all of the stats and arena movement things they show now, so it...
yeah like the death damage graphs?
ill look into it
gleaming pawn
Yeah all of the stats you see during an AWC except for the actual details frames are coming from WCL
tender ember
ty all!
dapper chasm
EU still going
Just landed a win thanks to Shadowy Duel
Bomb into duel really is kinda disgusting though, I wont lie
severe helm
That'd be way too strong
Wtb cheap shot has a cool down so people stop complaining about triple cheap
severe helm
Lolol
I just see a problem
And propose a solution
Triple cheap shot is cancer
Delete it
potent pivot
yes, i see the problem
potent pivot
his name is Meowth
Mewo trying to tell the sub rogues its a good thing they lost Duel
dapper chasm
I don't really bother to use 3x cheap shot, doesn't that essentially rely on shadowy blades on opener?
hidden moth
im nutting seeing disc priest changes holyyyyyy the talents look so much cleaner. going to crank in pvp
potent pivot
we still have conquest and bloody tokens
until next week
my abilities do not work
🔥
addons have been cranked and cringled
gg
severe helm
Mewo trying to tell the sub rogues its a good thing they lost Duel
its not good for them
its good for the game
🙂
dapper chasm
I mean - not to shoot my own nuts off here, but it is what has kept sub from getting real-man burst
Right now we got burst, but it's boy-scout burst
halcyon timber
They tune us where they want us
hidden moth
im just here to annoy healers with 3 1.5 .75 silence into kidney into blind into sap
halcyon timber
Keep that wonderful shit up man
hidden moth
assume with premtive manuver being a thing cheat death is perma off the menu now
halcyon timber
Not interested in the propaganda other classes bring up. Us rogues are tuned around our kit.
Dunno not sure if it IS 40% flat while stunned or elusiveness 20% x,40 = new value of 28
Still solid but Cheat gets ate up by multiple hits into us anyway. Can mitigate a lot with elusiveness over a match vs random oh sheet cheat death once per 6min
potent pivot
Dunno not sure if it IS 40% flat while stunned or elusiveness 20% x,40 = new v...
The thing is, it’s highly doubtful that
- They’d force you into Elu for it
- They’d make it override Elu if you do use it
halcyon timber
The thing is, it’s highly doubtful that
1. They’d force you into Elu for it
2. T...
Exactly
Trust but verify always
potent pivot
I think it’s likely 20%*40%
But no idea if it ALSO buffs Elu
potent pivot
If it only works on aoe that’d be kinda meh still
Yeah
It should be easy enough to test
We just need to get 2 naked rogues with nothing but grey daggers equipped or something
And the math will be easy
halcyon timber
Yeah for sure
hidden moth
has anyone completed this campaign
been here an hour and am still in fchapeter 1/6 for undermine
severe helm
I mean - not to shoot my own nuts off here, but it is what has kept sub from get...
Sub has like the most burst of any spec in the game what
You trolling?
hidden moth
ele shaman enters the chat
severe helm
Ele barely has more
hidden moth
severe helm
Theirs is slower
severe helm
Cuz I said like the most
hidden moth
hidden moth
sub bursts 1 person ele bursts whole team
severe helm
Sub rogues when they can't kill in a 6 second stun every minute through defensives 
stoic spruce
No such thing as a bad sub, just a bad sub player
hidden moth
No such thing as a bad sub, just a bad sub player
the word best to define "bad sub" is "naughty"
severe helm
No such thing as a bad sub, just a bad sub player
Truuuuuuuu
cobalt yew
WHERE is the new PVP GEAR
jaunty osprey
6044 auto is NO FEINT (ELUSIVENESS TALENTED)
4836 IS FEINT (ELUSIVENESS)
2418 IS FEINT (ELUSIVENESS AND PREEMPTIVE IN A HOJ)
ok
so
potent pivot
potent pivot
ya
potent pivot
that's even more than .48
jaunty osprey
that's
60% DR
FLAT
not multiplicative
so the verbage IS correct
it is an ADDITIONAL 40%
potent pivot
thats disgusting
waxen meteor
You talking about new feint?
potent pivot
ye
potent pivot
apparently it's -60% damage
jaunty osprey
let me test it
potent pivot
which is just
waxen meteor
-60 during stun only right?
potent pivot
ye
waxen meteor
Good enough tbh
potent pivot
but i mean
imagine outlaw's uptime on feint
so basically if you want an outlaw dead never stun them 
stoic spruce
Susceptible to rot anyway
waxen meteor
I feel this gonna get nerfed anyway
gleaming pawn
nah it's a new pvp talent, they knew what they were doing
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot works without elusiveness
cause that's what we were wondering
gives you 40% dr while stunned
worthy crag
so whats the word on sub
gleaming pawn
there's some pve buffs, but it's relatively minor
worthy crag
last time i kept up with the changes is when they announced shadowy duel removal
well, that and gouge and blind having some dmg threshold
stoic spruce
nah it's a new pvp talent, they knew what they were doing
"PvP talent" and "knew what they were doing" in the same sentence is wiiiild
waxen meteor
"PvP talent" and "knew what they were doing" in the same sentence is wiiiild
Doesn’t always have logical connection as it should
potent pivot
Did sub get any buff?
it got buffed
+10% to all damage
+6% to rupture damage
trickster also got some decent buffs
i think sub will be really strong for the first couple weeks
until everyone gets tier sets
worthy crag
thats funny
potent pivot
subs tier set is also really good though
waxen meteor
+10% to all damage
Oh that’s nice
potent pivot
the forums can suck a dick
waxen meteor
the forums can suck a dick
Overthinking
worthy crag
people don't need good reason to hate on sub xd make a post to make cheap shot 3 min cd and it gets 95 upvotes
waxen meteor
I can’t play my character
worthy crag
if good = how dare they win on sub
worthy crag
but im not sure if I can ever return to sub knowing kidney is 30 sec cd
waxen meteor
+10% dmg is solid
But sub balance has been always like that
In the end we will get small dmg
potent pivot
they've basically removed all of the real skill expression
worthy crag
that is exclusive to sub, pretty much
That's kinda been the case ever since the other two specs got access to bomb but with duel removal it's even more so
stoic spruce
Can't wait to lurk streams and snipe clips of sub being bad because it took 7 seconds to kill in a smoke bomb instead of the usual 5
worthy crag
in this day and age if you need 7 seconds to go through a health bar it kinda does mean it's bad
also bomb is technically 4 seconds of dmg lmao
stoic spruce
Lord have mercy...
worthy crag
I mean it's kinda crazy, the discrepancy between players who have actually experienced playing sub themselves, and those who havent
I can just kinda tell you havent
worthy crag
cuz istg those who havent act like sub can cheapshot 94 times in 30 seconds and deal unhealable damage
whereas in reality you let a fking ele shaman cast one healing surge off while the healer is completely cc'ed your go is dead
if it's a 10% flat dmg increase it's probably not gonna be bad when the season starts?
but the skill expression that's exclusive to sub has been greatly diminished for sure
waxen meteor
It will be fairly good
worthy crag
Like I was about to say you could prefeint all the stuns on you to extend the game and get more goes but
waxen meteor
But as said, sub is never in a stable situation
worthy crag
the other two specs can do exactly the same thing..
worthy crag
I think that remains to be seen, the biggest offender was always duel and it's gone now
potent pivot
sub was already decent
it wasn't best spec super op switch now omg~~~
but it was still good
waxen meteor
also bomb is technically 4 seconds of dmg lmao
But also teammates dmg though, essentially I think bomb is better for sin, you don’t have to connect to target whole time, and you deal dmg even after bomb you connect to healer
worthy crag
yeah ofc
It's just a personal thing, like sub can be good, but it won't really be good in a way that I want it to be
utility, cc and setup kind of way, with kidney being so long, invigorating shadowdust being gone (which I think is kind of healthy for the game overall but much less fun)
and just doing more dmg period
I dont particularly hate duel being removed but I know most others will miss that too
Alot of skill expression is now associated with the rogue class as a whole, so I'd be inclined to believe that a good sub player will find more success being outlaw & sin, unless sub just does more damage
severe helm
in this day and age if you need 7 seconds to go through a health bar it kinda do...
You act like you don't play with a teammate haha
I think sub got so comfy in the place where it alone could solo any spec in the game as long as they didn't have a trinket within a bomb or duel that they think anything shy of that is their spec sucking
worthy crag
Lol
severe helm
But I think the spec still functions very well when played more like outlaw
It's not like it has less control
Or even less consistent damage than outlaw
worthy crag
When was the last time sub could solo a spec inside a bomb though
aside from real cheesey allin like 1 dance echoring reprimand in the start of SL
worthy crag
Now as in, this current preseason?
severe helm
No as in s1
severe helm
The amount of times I pre feint and pre vial a sub go and die anyway is wild
Full 100-0
worthy crag
Only remote chance of that happening in S1 is if they are playing with 1 vanish
which you can tell from the moment they open and your team can coordinate accordingly
potent pivot
You act like you don't play with a teammate haha
i mean, in shuffle there are no team mates
shit is 1v1v1v1v1v1
worthy crag
well there's that DH dude who chaos nova to triple dr stun all 3 of them with 2 seconds remaining on stun dr
potent pivot
worthy crag
kinda begs the question of which team they are on
you tell em about it and they respond with "dude just do dam look at ur meter"
worthy tinsel
you tell em about it and they respond with "dude just do dam look at ur meter"
Did we both run with him last night? Lol
Such an ass.
worthy crag
the DH is everywhere all at once
severe helm
i mean, in shuffle there are no team mates
Lol tell me about it
severe helm
well there's that DH dude who chaos nova to triple dr stun all 3 of them with 2 ...
I BEG the evokers on my team to take off breath stun
They never do
worthy crag
oh yeah
severe helm
Even at like 3k+
worthy crag
been there before too
potent pivot
bro i had someone bring up my dmg when i was on ret after a match
potent pivot
where i had to baby sit heal because the healer was so ass
worthy crag
ive actually had one who did take it off, still remember that guy
worthy tinsel
They just throw
Jesus, we DID have the same guy
worthy crag
the game design kinda encourages that nowadays
it's more about just doing more aoe dmg
I dont like saying that cuz it always comes with the "back in my days" vibe but it's also true
severe helm
Yeah I mean as some specs you have to get pressure to have kills
You can't start a cc chain with them at 100% hp
And expect to kill
That's a sub privilege
vocal surge
Or 1v1 only
severe helm
I won't blind the healer as outlaw until they're at 70% or lower
Cuz they just won't die otherwise
Same as like spriest
I think it's actually harder to play specs that need to generate pressure before doing cross cc
worthy tinsel
I've worked really hard at learning when and how to CC. Like come out of stealth with cheap shot, wait for inevitable minor burst thrown my way right after, then CC some more and wait for opening.
worthy tinsel
I won't blind the healer as outlaw until they're at 70% or lower
This.
The damage/heal reduction for six seconds has absolutely been the clinch factor in several of my matches.
severe helm
It's so so so so so stupid
It's like the most despicable way to play the game to me haha
severe helm
Lol I've played with a fdk and the wins just don't feel earned honestly
potent pivot
lmaoooo
severe helm
I just feel guilty every kill
Like I'm cheating
Genuinely
I put in no effort
And they fight for their lives
worthy tinsel
Played fury for the first time in remix. Are they still that strong?
potent pivot
as compared to what
stoic spruce
I can just kinda tell you havent
Cute
worthy crag
i know, thanks
stoic spruce
Since vanilla btw
worthy tinsel
Sorry, long work day.
I meant that it felt really great to play and seemed to be doing fantastic when I looked early last season.
worthy crag
tww season 1 is probably fury's best pvp season to date
im just saying, sub can feel very different based on the mmr bracket
stoic spruce
Loved fury last season
hidden moth
Question rn is the mmr in shuffle the same before season end
worthy tinsel
Maybe I should've done that for my first pvp season, lol
hidden moth
If I que it for honor conq is it going to be same lobbies or ffa glhf ur 200 rating vs 2600 player
stoic spruce
I'm pretty sure it's the same
hidden moth
60% dr everything 80% dr aoe
stoic spruce
That sounds way too good to be tru
hidden moth
@potent pivot plz confirm
hidden moth
This
worthy crag
our fingers are too precious to search up ourselves 🥹
potent pivot
only during stuns obv
hidden moth
Ye
potent pivot
so you have to pre
worthy crag
is the second part of that tooltip a new one?
potent pivot
yes Mtk
hidden moth
But in bgb where stuns are being thrown everywhere
severe helm
That's pretty insane
potent pivot
now warrs reduce cc on their team
hidden moth
I kinda just
severe helm
A banner that can't be killed
worthy crag
That's hilarious
severe helm
I already fucking hate shroud
potent pivot
ya
hidden moth
“Am I in combat” yes
Is feint rolling? No press it
Is it rolling yes wait
Did it end or almost fall off yes? Push feint
hidden moth
Free bop spell bop rescue nullify shroud hover making u immune slows and roots and immune silence kicks with scales
Not to mention SPAMABLE sleep
Ret 5 second stun heal into sleep walk x3 into rep x3 while war stuns the kill target gg
worthy crag
just sleep walk behind the pillar
so you can LOS the followup
huh that makes me wonder, why does sleep walk make you walk toward the dragon
like does the player character find the dragon sexually attractive
like you are feeling drowsy and you feel drawn to walk to it
that's some Ahri charm shit
stoic spruce
They gotta inebriate someone to find them attractive 💀
potent pivot
Arms is looking cracked
stoic spruce
S2 tuning with S1 gear will do that
potent pivot
eh
i think they got overbuffed in general
and for some strange reason none of the buffs had a (does not apply to pvp)
kinda obvious they'd go from decent to cracked with that much extra damage n shit
worthy crag
arms & windwalker always one of them specs allowed to fly under the radar
river pollen
only thing that's changed is shadowy duel is gone
damnnnnnn
that was op
defense and offense
pastel burrow
it was yeah, extremely versatile
gleaming pawn
I'll give it until the AWC cast people start talking about it (incorrectly as they always do) and then it will get nerfed because Outlaw is too much of a tank
river pollen
what pvp talents yall using
potent pivot
what pvp talents yall using
swap disarm for thick as thieves if you don't need disarm
river pollen
nicee tyy!
pastel burrow
Their dev insight is that they want to encourage talent diversity
But idk it just looks like we're once again locking in two with 1 semi-vers slot
gleaming pawn
Encouraging talent diversity doesn’t mean much when 90% of rogue pvp talents are worse than garbage tier
pastel burrow
Legit
pastel burrow
Honestly I'm surprised they didn't remove DFA as another fuck you
"we saw some of you guys use this to kill our balance team in skirmishes, that really pissed us off, so we're removing it"
potent pivot
honestly maneuv might be worth using now that our other options are so ass
vs like mage or some shit
gleaming pawn
Meanwhile Sin is still locked into Smoke and Hemotoxin so with the Feint talent there’s nothing else to pick
pastel burrow
God I miss old maneuv so much
vocal surge
Same
potent pivot
ye removing old maneuv makes zero sense
just to add so much mobility to other classes
and slows
and roots
and knocks
kinda annoying
pastel burrow
So much as looking in the direction of a frost mage and my legs are instantly ice cubed
vocal surge
I sure love listening to rerolling FOTM frost mages saying how much they deserve duelist for playing a class that can constantly root and slow forever
stoic spruce
On GOD brother
winter seal
A resto Druid in shuffle told me to not go for restealths on assa
Is that uhh the play ?
pastel burrow
I don't think you want to actively go for restealths 24/7
But getting ic and silence without using vanish is pretty nice
winter seal
I went for 3 in a decently long round. After both vanishes and meld
pastel burrow
Case by case scenario, if the opportunity presents itself definitely take it
pastel burrow
I went for 3 in a decently long round. After both vanishes and meld
yeah this seems fine to me but maybe someone with more exp has a better take
winter seal
Like I was playing against double lock. It seemed like if I wasn’t dotted up it was a good chance for a new opener
Idk. The dude called me a slur after everyone in the lobby went 3-3 and it’s bugging me still
pastel burrow
Idk I don't think you misplayed here, that guy is probably just angry
Healing solo shuffle is basically a prison sentence, they all go insane and toxic eventually
winter seal
First shuffle I did that day had a priest being toxic before even first round lol
grave basin
Anything to do this week?
radiant glen
Is that uhh the play ?
so so incredibly situational that i cant say without a vod
but i wouldnt really overthink it if a random rdruid says something
just if the round was hard and what ur trying isnt working, could be the play to try something else
we always keep it internal tho
winter seal
I ended up winning the round so idk
azure rapids
Are tier sets only deactivated when S2 starts?
also Honor gear and Conquest aswell right?
potent pivot
Are tier sets only deactivated when S2 starts?
They don’t deactivate, conquest resets and honor does not
hybrid palm
Thiefs bargain + new feint = perma fainted ?
potent pivot
All of your gear will be fine
But you’ll have to farm new honor gear before you can queue rated
clever sail
is trickster worth playing for outlaw now that it's been buffed? with the changes to pvp talents, it looks like you can take "so tricky" along with "thick as thieves" and permanently give another dps in your group the 15% damage buff
potent pivot
is trickster worth playing for outlaw now that it's been buffed? with the chang...
That doesn’t work
clever sail
that's unfortunate. i read the tooltip and got excited, haha
just tested it with a friend though, and you're correct, it doesn't give the damage buff for the entire duration
potent pivot
potent pivot
is trickster worth playing for outlaw now that it's been buffed? with the chang...
To answer the other question though yes it might be decent after buffs
It’s still slightly less ST, but it’s more cleave
marble oasis
So how cooked is the new feint, did they end up nerfing it since it was annouced?
clever sail
nice! i really liked having coup de grace as a gap closer in some situations, it just felt sort of generally unreliable. i'm still trying to figure out what to slot into the third pvp talent against caster teams
potent pivot
They removed that gap closing part
clever sail
oh.
marble oasis
wasn't that due to it's animation locking being the issue or something?
marble oasis
i guess the same reason that killingspree is bad in pve then :S
potent pivot
The charge was fixed with 11.1 just now
marble oasis
well "fixed"
potent pivot
i guess the same reason that killingspree is bad in pve then :S
Skill gap
marble oasis
based
potent pivot
I swear pve players over exaggerate and cry over the smallest things that are simply get gud situations
potent pivot
So how cooked is the new feint, did they end up nerfing it since it was annouced...
The new feint talent is good
With Elu you get 60% DR in stuns
For some reason it’s working as an additive and not multiplicative
winter seal
I swear pve players over exaggerate and cry over the smallest things that are si...
I suggested not pressing killing spree on cd if a mechanic was coming that might kill you and the outlaw channel chased me out
potent pivot
Yep
marble oasis
For some reason it’s working as an additive and not multiplicative
Well i never.
Really surprised they kept that.
potent pivot
i think its nice that they added something that actually rewards having skill
normal zealot
Henlo, is there a way to move the skill description somewhere else?
Its way to far on the right and i break my neck everytime i want to read what my skills do
normal zealot
ohh... lol
wonderful, didnt know blizzard ui thingy allows us to do that as well
verbal field
is it just me or is color of new elite set more fitting as lfr?
potent pivot
i would have even been happy with the Normal set being elite
its my favorite recolor
harsh kiln
What color is the new elite set?
verbal field
What color is the new elite set?
here
harsh kiln
🤢
normal zealot
who doesnt want to be a pumpkin pirate
potent pivot
the dk elite looks like shadowlands LFR purple+gold
so sadge
yeah i saw you posted your checkpvp CRs
thats dope lol
i got like 9? i think
verbal field
here
Idk this color doesnt give the ‘woa how special! elite set damn!’ vibe you feel me ?
Maybe this will be a pve season for me again, more hyped to get mythic set
orchid plinth
stoic spruce
the dk elite looks like shadowlands LFR purple+gold
Naw
dapper chasm
As sub do I go trickster now?
Last I checked they were even and now Trickster got buffs, so....?
potent pivot
nah most people have been Deathstalker
trickster was already decent, so its def fine to play now with the buffs
the extra piss aoe you do that you can't control breaks cc tho
dapper chasm
I was thinking about that
People really don't stack anymore
I notice most healers just stay as far back as possible as much as possible
What PvP talents are kids using now?
I'm guessing Dismantle/Bomb for 2
Yooo, none of my keybinds work
dapper chasm
bomb/feint talent/x
So feint talent AND PvP talent?
Because I really, really love cheat death
It doesn't do shit nowadays because everyone has 2 million DoTs
But I owe that boy
This update also doubled my ping and I want my money back
vocal surge
Anyone else think this season is gonna be even worse for healers?
stoic spruce
Yooo, none of my keybinds work
Common sub main L
stoic spruce
I can still queue solo shuffle
It's just offseason
potent pivot
So feint talent AND PvP talent?
would recommend it at this point yeah
dapper chasm
Wait, so I can feint while CCd?
potent pivot
elusiveness and new pvp talent = 60% DR in stuns if you prefeint
no
you gotta pre
potent pivot
dmg reduc ye
dapper chasm
So if a rogue feints, I just don't stun them?
dapper chasm
So we can nearly do 3 back to back feints
stoic spruce
Wdym
dapper chasm
By the time you do the second, the third is only 3 secs away
dapper chasm
I gotta be honest, the feint pvp talent seems ass to me
And I called every other patch perfectly
stoic spruce
We shall see in the coming months
dapper chasm
No need, trust Zanadamus
dapper chasm
I think distracting mirage is slept on for sure
Ranged slow for healers trying to chase their suicidal DPS
I should probably state WHY I think it's ass
Think of it this way, we don't get trained, we get swapped on - when you swap a kill target do you first wave your dick about and tickle them a bit?
No, you stun on the swap
You go in hard - the exception is situations where you are on a target, pop your DPS CDs and then they use a defensive so you swap to not "waste" the CDs
But as a rogue you can preempt that in much better ways than the feint talent imo
As their stun is probably on CD too
stoic spruce
I think different specs will have varying uses for it.
Like outlaw and the mystery of the 0 vanish charges
dapper chasm
I can see its value in 1v1s in BGs
stoic spruce
I feel it's a more shuffle oriented pvp talented tbh
dapper chasm
Distract doesn't actually need stealth now iirc
Thick as Thieves is also very, very nice
DPS partners in shuffle are always party2 now, right?
gusty hedge
Cant wait to get into some Wpvp today
gusty hedge
new zone is so laggy
okay i thought it was just my net last night 
good to know its a server issue
potent pivot
nah not just you, it's insanely laggy
it takes each hit of my KS 1 second to strike
potent pivot
Relevant to PvP chads?
idk i kinda doubt you need anything from campaign etc for pvp
dapper chasm
That one?
I mean, I'll do it if it gives overworld advantage
New flight or mount or bazooka or shit
potent pivot
ye that one
there's new rocket mounts
from rep+currency
there's a purple and a yellow
dapper chasm
Is world PvP bugged or something?
I'm in a 90% horde server and I never ever see horde
Just groups of 5+ ally
marble oasis
I think they've changed the server groupings or something. i was finding ravencrest people on my warmode and i've never seen anyone except the other RP realms.
could also be people just flicking on warmode for the bonus quest rewards
dapper chasm
It kinda kills world PvP though
I mean, I fancy my chances vs anyone, but I wont run into a group
marble oasis
probably just unlucky, i know on my server ally just turned it on and ignored any pvp as horde was always outnumbered everywhere but now it feels even.
could also just be timing related.
dapper chasm
I noticed it at launch as I always have warmode perma on
And I'm on Stormscale EU
We got like 2 ally here, and they're married
Just did a 2v1, like a Chad
Insta 6 ally here
narrow tangle
so what are receiving in exchange of losing the best tool in the game
shadowy duel
potent pivot
feint