pvp

[pliant mauve]

Dude did it all three rounds the entire time lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Healers are not ok, just smile and walk away bro

[pliant mauve]

Lmao yeah

[hidden moth]

best rogue pvp race night elf n/a go

[surreal barn]

Nelfs still naked outside mailbox in sw

[hybrid palm]

against win trading group, if i afk in stealth every round, they are screwed right ? or am i wrong

irrespective of my own rank gain loss, just to screw win trading teams

[severe helm]

if you go 0-6 the dps go 4-2

so no

and the healers go even

your only opportunity against a wintrading team(if its only a healer + dps teaming up) is to win against them when theyre on the opposite team

which you get two tries to do

though if its a 2 healer + dps trade which I find is more common then youre fucked

[hybrid palm]

I see

So what happens when the win trading team gets beaten? They have to refund gold ?

[severe helm]

lolol I have no idea

I think usually they sell a certain rating

so they just keep going

[karmic summit]

finally got sub to 2.4k in shuffle we win those

[winter seal]

does anyone have a good gladius profile

[uneven plinth]

When does s2 honor gear start being available? 25th or 4th? Thank you rog friends

[karmic summit]

I think its 25th

[normal zealot]

is pvp gear viable in pve content?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

It's a little vers heavy though

Great if you're outlaw

The trinkets are a problem tho

[brazen ravine]

hey I would like to do some pvp and want to try sin, does that talents are the most effectives in pvp (outside, arena, rbg) ? thanks for help 🙂

[gusty hedge]

at some of these posts from yesterday

[stoic spruce]

Yours included?

[rustic isle]

Did crimson tempest get buffed? It sounds like it sees use in PvP, is that pretty normal?

[wanton breach]

yes, if you hit 2+ targets it's good damage, especially strong against pet classes like BM, demo or unholy

[wanton breach]

talents are alright except vor Vicious Venoms, drop that and put 1 point in Seal Fate and 1 point in Systemic Failure - you can also check NoTrickz pin for talent builds #pvp message

[brazen ravine]

Ok thanks, I saw it, but I prefer videos or explainations, not only the "good" talents so I can understand how and why, I have no gear (poly mastery) so i'm getting rekt right after my cloak or Evasion even if I use on cd my feint ...

there are a lot of videos but I have no clue who to watch (even if I already saw videos about it)

[rustic isle]

I usually try to understand the why too, I’m just usually too dumb so I pick passives instead 😂

[wanton breach]

in pvp, the vast majority of your damage is bleeds, poisons such as envenom, your weapon poisons or kingsbane barely do any damage - so it's more efficient to maintain and amplify bleeds

[brazen ravine]

Yes especialy when your poison is the one reducing healings

My big problem is when use my cd def and when/who focus and burst

I always feel like I deal 0 dammages and giga squishy everytime so xd

[rustic isle]

I’m the same way, I know it’s currently my gear… hopefully but it feels like there’s not good tools to learn like there is for PvE

Like in a raid I can see my details to check my damage and compare logs against other rogues, but at the end of a skirmish I can only tell the other rogue did double my damage or whatever.

[novel karma]

i wonder if upcming trickster buffs will make it the better talent tree for outlaw, iirc it wasn't too far off fatebound this season

[grave basin]

is outlaw just gonna be completely deadge

with non existant scaling and no enduring brawler

[gusty hedge]

No post made try again

[stoic spruce]

Darn

[stoic spruce]

Downtime will be even worse

Not looking forward to that

[novel karma]

not sure how outlaw does not scale in pvp

mastery is kinda nice stat

[brazen ravine]

it is me or the mage can fking tp every second ???

[stoic spruce]

They can

They also have infinite roots

And db

And that other thing

[hybrid palm]

Guys, I finally broke the win trading jinx, and got duelist. I'm going to retire now

[lilac raptor]

how is sub looking after shadowy duel removal

[potent pivot]

Scaling is kind of a meme. Specs just get aura buffs these days, scaling hasn’t been a thing for a very long time

[jolly sierra]

bugged

happened to me days ago too

and to mewo tho

i opened in cheap into his evasion and missed all

in a sub

[pastel burrow]

It happened to me on a havoc DH earlier today

[hidden moth]

is this normal for sub in shuff?

[potent pivot]

ya

sub is always low on overall dmg in pvp

its basically afk outside of its burst windows

[hidden moth]

ah i see

the whole game dude had like 0 kill pressure

[potent pivot]

might not be playing properly idk

every 1.5m you can do insane burst

but you have to set up properly to try and avoid getting CC'd during it, which can be weird in shuffle

[hidden moth]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

sub is bad in SS in zug matches

cuz ppl doesnt knows how to coordinate

[hidden moth]

i was following up my fear on his cc on heals but yeah

ik he was pissed one round bc the second he dueled my hunter the hunter got a 5-100 void shift

[hidden moth]

i just got called a win trader Lmfaoooo

]

[potent pivot]

[winter seal]

trade me some wins

[winter seal]

healers are really toxic like that huh

[potent pivot]

filtered word

[winter seal]

oopsie

[potent pivot]

just cover it

[winter seal]

I went 3-3 i think the whole lobby did tbh

[potent pivot]

in paint or screenshot editer lol

[winter seal]

dude was toxic after

i don't get logging in to heal and being toxic in pre-game lobbies, both healers were

tbh i dont even type beyond maybe calling a target

[potent pivot]

people are weird man

[winter seal]

if the game tilts you that bad maybe play something else LOL

[potent pivot]

some people's entire lives and identities are just world of warcraft

[winter seal]

do you use gladius or gladiusex

and do you have a profile

[potent pivot]

gladius and ya

u need?

[winter seal]

yea!

[potent pivot]

sec

[potent pivot]

on gladius it's under the Layout tab

to import it

[winter seal]

I think i got it

[potent pivot]

iirc i use gladius (bicmex version)

but its basically the exact same as old gladius

[brazen ravine]

!wa

[lethal roost]

Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.

[agile kite]

Bros this is in my hunter alt but I’m mostly honor geared with 3 conq pieces

Should I send it in shuffle for 1800 or am I cucking myself with gear hard

[potent pivot]

you'll probably be fine

get some world pvp gear if you have any bloody tokens

[agile kite]

How hard can BM even be

I’ve done it one 7 others and did arcane half geared yesterday

Feel like BM cannot be hard

I’m sending it

[winter seal]

thanks

[potent pivot]

that on your priest?

[winter seal]

No, rogue lol

[potent pivot]

oh lol

dope either way

[winter seal]

I got to 1800 and stopped queueing cause i didnt think id climb much higher, but playing priest in bgb made me feel a bit better about it

[potent pivot]

easier than you thought it was eh

[winter seal]

I usually just queue to 1800 on rogue and quit

yeah lol

[potent pivot]

[winter seal]

11 lobbies

[potent pivot]

i swear 2.1 on rogue is basically free

if you know your spec

2.4 isn't very hard either but i wouldn't say free per se

[winter seal]

yeah i mean

basically go .500 lol

wow uhh

I didn't realize that would be me top 8% in us LOL

That's for assa rgoue

top 7% of all spec

[potent pivot]

there's a large number of people who stop at 1.8k

[winter seal]

usually me

got every elite weapon appearnce now

healers too toxic to keep queueing tho

[indigo hill]

Whats with the crazy azz damage on a prot war?

[potent pivot]

they've been doing decent dmg for a while i think

also i think it's even crazier on PTR so they might get popular like BDK was earlier this season

[dapper chasm]

I just 3-3'd my way from 1.8k to 2k

5 games

I think if I stop playing long enough, I should be able to hit 3k

[potent pivot]

i think it's actually kinda wild rn

like the floor of MMR is 1900 or something

[dapper chasm]

Fun fact, 4/5 games had a healer going 6-0

[potent pivot]

happens a lot at lower ratings ye

brand new healers

[dapper chasm]

Back in my day, 2k was decent

Like, you wouldn't write home to your mama, but you wouldn't mind saying it when you were searching for a healer on /1

Now it's given for being there

[potent pivot]

pretty much

[dapper chasm]

My watching a healer go 0-6 is no longer profitable

That's 5/6 games

At 2k MMR

What is actually going on with healers? I swear it was never this much of a gulf

[potent pivot]

i think its mostly dps players that swap healer for fast queues

and have zero idea what they're doing

[dapper chasm]

Every game, one is using LoS, good CC, good dispels, and the other is just standing there with two thumbs up going "Go team"

AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN

Always at about the 3-0 mark

[dapper chasm]

And I just sigh and say "You'll feel silly saying that if you go 0-6 now"

[potent pivot]

this was a 0-6 lobby as well

on my 2nd dk

the new healer went 0-6 i mean

[dapper chasm]

But my brother in Christ - that's 5/6 games that a healer went 0-6

[potent pivot]

idk

ppl trying to squeeze out the rewards for alts with healer specs maybe

[dapper chasm]

5/6

If there was so many newbie healers, then I would have odds of having 2 noobs or 0 in a queue

[potent pivot]

i mean

[dapper chasm]

But it's always 1 decent, 1 licking the floor

[potent pivot]

you can check how many games they've played

check their CR/MMR/games played

[dapper chasm]

Ewwww, I don't target people in the room, man - that's like reaching down the trousers of a stranger

Disgusting to even suggest

[potent pivot]

use the party frames

[dapper chasm]

Still targets

[potent pivot]

mine doesn't

[dapper chasm]

And my right click focuses

[potent pivot]

i always inspect people

[dapper chasm]

Also, why are arena frames appearing in BGs? I installed Arena Malware addon and it does nothing

[potent pivot]

especially on a fresh character i haven't queued on

[dapper chasm]

I don't inspect people, it does nothing

I just focus on me

[potent pivot]

find the person in green gear and focus them

[dapper chasm]

I thought gear is meaningless now?

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't say meaningless

if someone is full honor gear they have a decent chunk less health

[dapper chasm]

Then no need to inspect

Just look at HP

[gleaming pawn]

Also much more likely to not know what they are doing and panic/screw up

[dapper chasm]

Wait, so are people inspecting ME?

That's so gross

[gleaming pawn]

Inspection is your friend Zanaken, quit being a curmudgeon

[dapper chasm]

Your mum is a pigeon

Fight me

So what do I look like to these inspectors?

[gleaming pawn]

Can’t fight the truth

[dapper chasm]

WOAH

There's a whole PvP tab now

How in the sweet fuck are people on 600+ honor level?

I ONLY PvP and am barely 79

[potent pivot]

it was insanely easy to get honor level one expansion idr which

[dapper chasm]

Where's my reward for skipping 6 xpacs?

[potent pivot]

and when they converted honor level to be account wide instead of character specific, it inflated hard

there's some people with like honor level 1500

[gleaming pawn]

It was Legion

[potent pivot]

like pikaboo's is insanely high iirc

[gleaming pawn]

There have also been honor level bugs between then and now that allowed people to skyrocket

[dapper chasm]

So I can never catch up now, great

I got like 1200 BGs played, but started on honor lvl 1

[potent pivot]

it's a pretty meaningless number now

i think you get some mounts as you go or some shit

oh and you get legion artifact unlocks

[dapper chasm]

I wanted that pet

[potent pivot]

but honor level 80 is the last artifact

[dapper chasm]

Appart from PvP, I also want to be the very best - the best there ever was

[potent pivot]

so you're almost there already

ok Ash

[dapper chasm]

Got the sickest teams

Counts as rogue PvP

I am a rogue, it's against other players

[potent pivot]

i have never done a single pet battle

[dapper chasm]

Awww, man - they're the bomb

Queues are fast, and it's often the same people so they swap pets around

It's shockingly deep and fun!

[potent pivot]

oh pet battles are between players?

[dapper chasm]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

kek i didn't even know that

[dapper chasm]

That's what makes it rogue PvP

[potent pivot]

i thought you went around the open world pet battling NPCs

[dapper chasm]

No, I don't do any of that shit

Just PvP for me, thanks

[winter seal]

You can do both

Npc’s will give you rewards to level pets and shit

[potent pivot]

yeah i just had no idea

i never really do anything besides pvp

[dapper chasm]

Clearly a lie as you are missing out on some righteous PvP

[potent pivot]

next season im thinking of getting back into pve

[dapper chasm]

Me and my boys fuck people up

The Alpine Foxling is my Pikachoo

On every team, he's my boy

[winter seal]

I used to only PvP until probably shadowlands. Pve is pretty fun now tho

[dapper chasm]

It doesn't matter how hard you play, PvE always depends on your team not sniffing glue

And the ones who don't sniff glue take things too seriously

[tender ember]

does any1 know when i can chech info what hour ssn ends?

[potent pivot]

no idea what you mean

like the actual time of day that the season ends before reset?

in NA it is usually midnight the day before

so like Monday at 12AM

[exotic dove]

I got 2400 in Shuffle too. I will rest now my season is complete.

[potent pivot]

Congrats

[exotic dove]

Thanks 🙂

[tender ember]

Yea, the exact hour the season ends- did blizzard release any official info or sth?

[jolly sierra]

sans undertale

[potent pivot]

idr if they officially announce it, i just remember the past few seasons being midnight the night before reset

gratz yo

[tender ember]

I see thanks, Just need to time 1 lobby :d

[brazen ravine]

do pvp currency reset next week ?

[potent pivot]

yeah

everything except honor iirc

[brazen ravine]

ok ty

[stiff cedar]

i believe they did announce the exact time, for me (i'm PST) i believe it's 10pm so that'd make it 1pm EST. i'm deep in hw rn but can grab source later. i would expect Monday the 24th at 10p pst

actually i have it up https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24177858/last-chance-for-the-war-within-season-1-achievements-and-rewards#:~:text=Ratings for Season 1 will be locked when the season ends at 10%3A00 p.m. local time the night before the content update on February 25

[jolly sierra]

bruh how they doesn't announced it with anticipation

[potent pivot]

?

[jolly sierra]

i say, they normally announces end season like with 2 weeks ahead

[potent pivot]

its been announced

for almost two weeks

[jolly sierra]

officially?

or just a wowhead speculation from datamining?

[potent pivot]

yes

officially

[jolly sierra]

where where

[grave basin]

Season ending this reset buddy

But atleast we got to our goals

But the real qn is, does MMR reset

[jolly sierra]

ye, at least we are chads this season lol

hmmmm

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/coin-toss-coin-toss-gif-5017733

50/50

maybe can happen the shit we had in DF s2

[grave basin]

If they don't it's gonna be ez every class 1800 first week

My red bull is ready

[jolly sierra]

i have 5 cans of monster in a bag

but will use them for the job

F

[severe helm]

anyone ever have this bug where cheap shot is greyed out and not useable even though youre in subterfuge?

[hidden moth]

a non toxic solo shuffle interaction???

[severe helm]

went and opened on this lock and just couldnt press cheap shot lol

but could use ambush and stuff

ACTUALLY

IT DIDNT SWAP MY STEALTH BAR

what the actual fuck

new bug just dropped

sick

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

but even though it didnt swap to stealth bar my cheap is on my non stealth bar

and I couldnt use it

so yeah new bug

sick af

[potent pivot]

that's how my bar is set up too

that's fucked up

[gleaming pawn]

I had a weird one yesterday where I could not use anything until I dropped my target and reselected. The bugs are getting more and more creative

[runic laurel]

Is it a bug or intended design that you lose subterfuge if you get cc’d by certain things after vanish?

[potent pivot]

sounds like a bug

[runic laurel]

I think it’s happened to me with priest fear and hunter traps and maybe some other stuff but I haven’t tried to replicate and see what conditions cause it

[severe helm]

Hunter flare causes it

Everything else should give you subt

One thing to note is if you trinket while in stealth like if you vanish and get feared that will also bug your subterfuge

And will make your bte go on CD if used

But you will keep the subt buff

That's actually new to tww p sure

It used to be if you got broken out of stealth from damage you didn't get subt

But yeah if you see a hunter flare you can actually use /cancelaura stealth before you walk into the flare and you'll still get subterfuge

[gritty peak]

found this dude chillin on jaguero isle

in stv

[hidden moth]

I didn’t realize

They are taking away our big cloak

wtf

Ight have fun boys reroll time

[potent pivot]

we'll be fine

[stoic spruce]

It's more of a "wouldn't it be nice" kind of thing

[potent pivot]

re q

[raven schooner]

Yeah my longest wait has usually been about 10 minutes nothing more

I’d just drop it and requeue

[jaunty osprey]

this game might have been my 3v3 r1 game lmao

[jaunty osprey]

u actually dont have the subt buff if u trinket while vanish

that's why so good to have giant WA screaming if u're in subterfuge

cause of dumb bugs like that

[severe helm]

Yeah I know it suuuuucks

[jaunty osprey]

cause so many times

[severe helm]

yeup

trust me

[jaunty osprey]

u vanish a stormbolt or coil

and trinket it

[severe helm]

its the worst

0/10

[jaunty osprey]

and then u're like OOPS i trolled myself

[severe helm]

yep

you blrew trinket

AND vanish

for nothing

actual ape brain move

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

SINNEN LEFT????

Wtfffff

@spring bough alive check

[potent pivot]

no?

[stoic spruce]

No

Got worried

[stoic spruce]

@tepid acorn Bitch

Log back on

[tender ember]

Ty a lot, ye so kinda its 24th 10 pm for NA and 25th 10 pm for EU

[stiff cedar]

oh i didn't think bout eu

sry bout that, every other cord i'm in is na only LOL

in other news i came back last week for 2.4 shuffle push before end of season and i just 6-0 my last lobby, hit 2394

prayging i just close it out while i'm hot

in da lobby

[tender ember]

this link was enough for me to find eu version cos they make same titled posts; )

yee i think u get 2,4 with 1-5

[severe helm]

Anyone know what would cause bte to only hit for 200k for a whole 6 rounds of shuffle?

is there some bugged talent or like pvp modifers stacking incorrectly?

Its also not giving me slice and dice when used in crackshot

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/kalvish/clip/EnjoyableAntediluvianMeatloafDxAbomb-3bnVBiM05JAln-wO

most insane clip

lmao

[potent pivot]

That their r1 win too?

[jaunty osprey]

nah

[stoic spruce]

This has been happening to me for a while

[jaunty osprey]

they need more

they keep dropping out of range

[potent pivot]

Yeah I just went back and saw max n healers cr

Damn

Would’ve been epic

[jaunty osprey]

healer is curny

he doesnt care

about that priest

they're just doing it for max

[potent pivot]

Yeh

[cobalt yew]

Yo did arena rank just reset?

Why so early?

Oh it didnt

Its a rank for each spec, lmao

[potent pivot]

tonight at midnight the season ends

12AM (PST)

[wanton breach]

mage cc LUL

[grave basin]

youd think people wanna spam queue before season ends

but im still sitting 27min queue

[stoic spruce]

Me rn lol

[mystic kelp]

Where is the best place to see the overall changes coming from now to tomorrow as far as balance

[potent pivot]

like the tuning changes?

[mystic kelp]

Yeah, idk why I'm struggling to find it all in one place

[stoic spruce]

They'll release patch notes tomorrow with all the tuning changes

[potent pivot]

@jolly sierra here was the announcement post, sry was too busy yesterday to find
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-war-within-season-2-begins-march-4/2059061

[potent pivot]

they usually make a huge post containing everything

[stoic spruce]

Might be released today actually

[mystic kelp]

Right, I'm a day early in my brain, dug, thanks

[grave basin]

how many hours

till season ends

[potent pivot]

12AM PST

[cobalt yew]

Indiscriminate carnage is trash

Am I playing super wrong? Like I cant play this talent

wtf

People are never close enough for it to apply

So is Crimson Tempest

@potent pivot pls explain

Sorry don`t know if pingin is against the rules

[potent pivot]

pinging is fine

IC and CT are both insanely strong

some lobbies people don't stack, but that's fine

just apply your bleeds

[jaunty osprey]

ends at 10 PM PST no?

[potent pivot]

i saw someone say that

[cobalt yew]

When do I even envenom, feels like Im not doing shit just spreading, one ends right after the other

[potent pivot]

i didn't check the link

[jaunty osprey]

ya it's 10 PM pacific

1 AM eastern

[potent pivot]

it way prolly 12am for me

[cobalt yew]

Which is probably why Deathstalker works better

[potent pivot]

because i was in CST last time

[potent pivot]

the main thing you really need to do with envenom is consume Darkest Night

at the bare minimum

[potent pivot]

10PM PST mb

[grave basin]

are we ready for the huge rogue changes

cmon team

[cobalt yew]

And the burst rotation is after garrote, rupture and ct, I press deathmark, max cp shiv, thistle tea and evenom?

[grave basin]

6% damage to outlaw

[potent pivot]

yeh

trickster might unironically be good

[cobalt yew]

Also why isnt kingsbane good in pvp

[potent pivot]

it is

[cobalt yew]

I dont see many people taking it

[potent pivot]

just isn't super popular

[cobalt yew]

People just play spread and send it

[potent pivot]

it isn't AS good as it used to be, after multiple nerfs, but its still very viable

ye basically

[brave plume]

do the new honor gear become available to buy this week? or is it after the season 2 "starts"

[potent pivot]

should be this week

[grave basin]

I don't think so

[stoic spruce]

And naturally I'm getting held behind by dumb fuck players

[grave basin]

Season doesn't actually start till next week

[stoic spruce]

God they're so lucky I can't choke them through the screen

[grave basin]

Honor gear next week most likely

[potent pivot]

we get new heroic dungeons and shit this week

[grave basin]

[brave plume]

we did get honor gear a week prior to season startin at exp launch

[grave basin]

Just get honor capped by today

[potent pivot]

idk i thought it was normally a week of honor grind then rated release

but im fried idk

[grave basin]

The worst change of all

Is they made honor gear green quality for some reason

[potent pivot]

yeh kinda weird

if you upgrade the pve ilvl it turns blue right

[cobalt yew]

Anyone know the pvp ilvl of honor gear starting in season 2

[grave basin]

Muh pve / delving is aids

[grave basin]

Ye

[potent pivot]

probably 665?

[cobalt yew]

665? Wtf

[potent pivot]

ya

[brave plume]

so honor does not reset on patch day :D?

[potent pivot]

-13 ilvl from conquest

[potent pivot]

no

[cobalt yew]

So my current gear I can toss it once new season starts

[potent pivot]

honor never resets

[potent pivot]

your pvp gear yeah. its only pvp ilvl

conquest gear is going to be 678 pvp ilvl

-13 is 665

[cobalt yew]

Conquest resets?

[grave basin]

We had it good in SL when current conquest = new honor

[potent pivot]

ya

[grave basin]

Didn't need to refarm a whole new set

[potent pivot]

and bloody tokens

make sure u spend any before reset and unlock any transmogs you want

you can Catalyst bloody token gear for LFR recolor of sets

[grave basin]

Also last chance to get zekvir hard mode

If you care

[potent pivot]

yeah i said fuck all that

[cobalt yew]

Will this go away? its the most fun thing ever

[potent pivot]

hopefully i have enough time to knock out the last couple things i need done

[grave basin]

No

Meme items stay

[grave basin]

it isnt too bad if you upgrade all your gear

with crests

[potent pivot]

yeah i've just got like 3 other things i want done

procrastination station over here

[grave basin]

what else is there to do

[potent pivot]

q

random alts i haven't played

[normal zealot]

do people even play pvp during the pvp season switch or is it completly ded?

[potent pivot]

yes

[normal zealot]

phew

[potent pivot]

if honor gear comes out

hella people will be doing regular BGs/skirms

[normal zealot]

awesome okay

[potent pivot]

everyone needs the new honor gear

before they can even queue rated

[normal zealot]

but we keep the honor from this season i thought?

only conq gets reset

[potent pivot]

yes

[normal zealot]

thats also super nice

[potent pivot]

some people don't save ahead

[normal zealot]

noobs

[potent pivot]

or they're coming back for season

and haven't been playing

etcetc

[normal zealot]

i see, yeah it makes sense

[potent pivot]

we're going to need like

90k honor again

for sockets

so

[normal zealot]

jeez

thats a load

[potent pivot]

yep

[normal zealot]

i dont have anything close to that

more like 15k spread across my chars rn

[potent pivot]

and thats if you buy your bloodstones off the AH

if you buy the stones with honor it's like 140k? idr

[normal zealot]

ill probably buy them off the AH

[potent pivot]

i have like

78k ish honor

on everything

[normal zealot]

thats pretty close for 1 char

[potent pivot]

you lose some for transferring

[normal zealot]

ahh right

like 10%?

[potent pivot]

i will likely use most on honor gear

and then 2 sockets per char

for enduring/1 stat gem to proc Lens

[normal zealot]

you will socket honor gear as well? not saving it for the bis gear?

[potent pivot]

hell nah

[normal zealot]

why?

[potent pivot]

ill save it

[normal zealot]

Is that the way?

[potent pivot]

im saying hell nah i wont socket honor gear

[normal zealot]

ohh lol

i misread

[potent pivot]

maybe crafted pieces

because u can get crafted honor level and recraft it into conquest level later

[normal zealot]

does that make any difference? I would just buy the forged glad heraldries and craft new ones?

[potent pivot]

wdym

forged is this season

def dont buy any of that rn

[jolly sierra]

no problem, yeah, clearly very soon

[normal zealot]

oh.. i didnt know that stuff changes with each season

[potent pivot]

ye everything changes

except like gems/enchants

[normal zealot]

damn

tyvm for all the info

tbf, you single handedly make pvp and playing rogue worth it. Only server with an active pvp section and peoples like u sir

[potent pivot]

i try

[gusty hedge]

dam is that per char?
i shoulda been saving honor not sure if the bloodstones we have now are the same for s2

[potent pivot]

yes

and bloodstones are the same

[gusty hedge]

okay thats some sort of relief!. have 12 stones in warbank and 2k honor still have off season to grind

[potent pivot]

holy shit

we're not getting a comp stomp until April 29

[stoic spruce]

Bruh

I'll have a gf by then

Watch

[hidden moth]

Good thing I farmed honor this week

40% honor gain with 15% flask and the 25% bonus for healing in shuffle+ the instant ques has been juicer
Currently sitting at 5 honor caps

[potent pivot]

bro

i have no idea wtf just happened

just had the weirdest bug

either that or my mouse fucked up but only in a match?

my camera was turning and steering my character on its own

[grave basin]

ive had that happen to me

my character just perma backpeddals

until i have to alt f4

[potent pivot]

yeah it was perma holding my camera in a spin

but like

arrow key steering my char with it

[hidden moth]

New secret tech

[potent pivot]

i had to strafe everywhere and keep moving my mouse around like a fucking madman lmao

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-in-angry-walk-in-angry-gif-13889037

[stoic spruce]

I'm going to blow up

[hybrid palm]

On blizzard leaderboard website it says top 1000 are immortalized here, what does that mean

[potent pivot]

where?

[hybrid palm]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle/rogue/subtlety

Just under the title

[potent pivot]

oh this

[hybrid palm]

This is EU , same for usa

Ya, what's that immortalized:D

I'm rank 245 , sad

[potent pivot]

assume it just means they stay on the list forever at end of season

[hybrid palm]

Ok, no in game achievement?

[potent pivot]

you only get the regular rating achievements in game

[hybrid palm]

Ok

[gleaming pawn]

@potent pivot with how meh Sin’s 4 piece is, pretty safe to say we’ll be going 2 piece only again right?

[potent pivot]

depends on the stats traded

[hybrid palm]

Not worth risking games at this point if goals achieved right?

[potent pivot]

well you don't lose your achieves

so up to you

[hybrid palm]

But can lose website immortal 😄

[potent pivot]

nah

you're far from 1k right

[hybrid palm]

Top 1000 is like 1850ish, n in those win trading losses I went to 1700, n had to climb back up

[potent pivot]

the assa 4set doesn't show as being nerfed on wowhead

ill have to double check on ptr

[gleaming pawn]

I would assume it’s bad data mining or an oversight. Since their policy has been set bonuses are nerfed by 50% in pvp

[jolly sierra]

mom i am in the features

[gleaming pawn]

Gotta keep queuing and secure your place!

[jolly sierra]

for next season, homie

i promise to fill 2 spots

in the ladder

as i will go with my "horde darkfallen" night elf XD

[hybrid palm]

Is this blitz or shuffle or ? Which region

[indigo tree]

What's the current rogue meta rn and is it looking like that's going to change anytime soon?

[stoic spruce]

Assa rn

Until people find out how insane sub is

[jolly sierra]

shuffle, EU

[indigo tree]

Any idea how that might change next patch?

[potent pivot]

wowhead is usually correct

they are probably leaving it unnerfed to see how it does on live

then nerf if necessary

[potent pivot]

not much is changing

[indigo tree]

ty

[potent pivot]

all 3 are still going to be really good

all 3 got buffs

decent tier sets

its going to be a good season to be a rogue

[indigo tree]

Sounds like I picked a great time to come back

[potent pivot]

@gleaming pawn atm the assa 2 and 4 sets look unnerfed

sub 2 set unnerfed, but 4 set is nerfed

[gleaming pawn]

Hmmm we’ll have to see how it plays out then

[potent pivot]

the sub 4 set would go so insane if it wasn't

how many extra 1800 sets do we think i can knock out in 1 day

[cobalt yew]

Is there a doom_cooldownpulse version that is up to date?

[potent pivot]

ya

its just the one on curseforge

[stoic spruce]

Wdym

It's insane now

But people don't know it's better than assa atm

And I think that'll change next season because sub gets a good tier

[gleaming pawn]

Who tf are you and what have you done with Popo

All this positive talk about Sub. It’s disgusting

[severe helm]

truuuu

honestly

Sub rogues are so sensitive to their spec not being S tier

if it cant guaranteed kill on 90% of specs if they dont have a trinket then they just stop playing

[potent pivot]

bruh

you the one always saying sub is either F or S aren't you

[severe helm]

Yeup

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

but thast cuz of how they all play it

ive faced nahj in shuffle a lot of times this season

and in any matchup that isnt gimicky one shot wins

he just plays trickster

and almost tops dps

if more sub players learned to parse like outlaw I think the spec would actually be so much more flexible/viable than they realize

but so many of those players are stuck in the RMP mindset

[potent pivot]

it just isn't designed to parse

[severe helm]

but it can do both at the same time if you play well

ive watched it haha

[potent pivot]

all of the consistent dam talents are so ass

[severe helm]

Well its still worth playing for pressure in matchups where you cant guarantee a bomb/duel kill

[potent pivot]

you know what i wanna see

[severe helm]

and with duel gone I think more subs will have to learn that

[potent pivot]

i want to see an absolute parse goblin do team fights as sub

[severe helm]

I might mess around more with that next season

since sub was fun in m+ this season

but wasnt that much ahead of outlaw

but its seeming like it will be

[potent pivot]

DS BP spam

[severe helm]

honestly

BP isnt even in the m+ rotation

[potent pivot]

since BP is more prio than evis

[severe helm]

I dont think it is haha

[potent pivot]

thats trickster

yes

it is

[severe helm]

yeah as trickster

[potent pivot]

i said DS

also

trickster does BP

7+ targets

[severe helm]

last time I checked it did not BP unless it was outside of dance

and youre just doing filler

[potent pivot]

this rule was 5+ this season

buffs n shit changed it to 7

[severe helm]

Yeah I was just told from a prio perspective that BPing in dance is just for pad and the overall damage difference isnt worth the loss of funnel

[potent pivot]

well depends on if there's a prio target for trickster ye

but in pulls like 10+ you're spamming BP unless there's a big add

DS uses BP on 4+ for more prio than evis

[hybrid palm]

If you're assigned for gloom hatchlings, you bp

[stoic spruce]

Look man I don't like it either but it's the truth

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

2 more to go

[gleaming pawn]

When are we getting new write ups for the specs builds and hero talents for season 2 🙂 so I can look at Sub again and say that I’m going to try it out and then never actually do

[potent pivot]

i will try to update everything over this next week

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-official-patch-notes-373971

new official patch notes for 11.1

lame

[stoic spruce]

Completely expected and I'm still mad they did it

[potent pivot]

[gleaming pawn]

Vindication! But yeah totally expected

I forgot about the Gouge change. That’s going to be complained about so much

[severe helm]

wonder how that works for the outlaw set

with the roll odds

I guess just halves the effectiveness

[winter seal]

good for you to do pve now

[potent pivot]

i've never pvped on this class

lmfao

[potent pivot]

yeah i saw that, pretty dope change

[winter seal]

agreed

[potent pivot]

i think im actually gonna be able to knock out 3 1800s in a day

queues are fast enough

[winter seal]

everyone queuing for last minute, just like you

[cobalt yew]

And everyone who is queuing for the last minute is fucking me up cuz they all better then me

Ffs

Was 1920 before doing all the ui changes and talent changes, now Im 1770

[potent pivot]

[hybrid palm]

Me quit queuing, preserving rating 😄

[hybrid palm]

Probably win trading, I also faced it last 1 week, just need to not tilt n stick it out

Similar bracket

[cobalt yew]

Damn me I don`t know how to deal with not marking an enemy

Deathstalker when one of the enemies is invis for an example, how do I open

[potent pivot]

you can ambush at any time during subterfuge

[cobalt yew]

Yeah I get that, but ambush is very good to build cps

[potent pivot]

you also have vanish

ambush isn't that good for combo points

[cobalt yew]

Do you use multilate inside subterfuge?

[potent pivot]

no

[cobalt yew]

So what, garrote?

[potent pivot]

you should be using fan of knives a lot

if you can hit 2 or more targets

and yeah garrote is good

[cobalt yew]

What if I can`t

Then garrote?

Ok

[potent pivot]

you can garrote/ambush

i wouldn't back to back spam garrote a shitload

[cobalt yew]

I`m going to test one game as fatebound

[cobalt yew]

Thats sometimes what I do if I dont have my marked target yet

[potent pivot]

but pressing it at least twice during your IC/improved garrote etc is good

[cobalt yew]

Back to 1844

[potent pivot]

also shrouded suffocation

[cobalt yew]

Just 100 more and I`m free from this crap

[potent pivot]

and iron wire

[safe pelican]

Season 2 weapon enchant is dook

Where are the cool stuff

[potent pivot]

it looks slightly better than it seems

but its pretty bad yeah

[safe pelican]

Lolololol it’s meh it’s literally the season 1 enchant with an added effect they gotta be kidding

[potent pivot]

same with the glad mount.. again.. 😐

[safe pelican]

Another fel bat right ?? That shit is trash 🗑️

[potent pivot]

yep

slightly recolored from this season's

if they at least made the recolor good it would be ok

[safe pelican]

Smh i wanted to come back and play for season 2 but don’t see anything incentivizing me to do so

[potent pivot]

the mogs are pretty good

but even the elite weapons are meh

[safe pelican]

The female BE DH set is fire af didn’t see the rogue ones yet

[potent pivot]

yeah the dh set is aight

i think the dk set is my favorite

pally and warr are decent

[cobalt yew]

Post print my bros post prints

New weapon enchant?

[winter seal]

Rogue is very outlaw pilled

[cobalt yew]

What about the new arena map guys

[winter seal]

Bad for gnomes

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPOgAiYBkCQ

not sure what to think of the new map

gotta play on it

[cobalt yew]

I kinda wanted to get the tabard and cape at 2100

But might not be doable anymore

For me at least

Cuz its the most show off thing about your high rank

[normal zealot]

I know this is the rogue pvp discord but can i ask about other classes as well in general? 👀

[potent pivot]

sure

some of us play alts a bit

[stiff cedar]

honestly im just a rogue at heart i don't even main it anymore

[normal zealot]

How do ranged classes, like warlock handle lobbies with full melee? These mfers are constantly in my face and i cant escape, using portal and teleport.

[potent pivot]

kite, port, gate

[normal zealot]

They all have way more mobility than warlock tho. So when moving out to the middle near gate im porting back, they run directly towards me. I take the gateway, they run directly towards me. With all the slows and stuns i cant move far away from the gateway/portal

[stiff cedar]

idk if its helpful but literally yday a buddy did some vod reviewing of me and a friend, a friend got his affi lock vod reviewed it wasn't FULL melee but it was warrior surv boomy. the mmr for it was 2300. i can send you the vod if you want to look at that, they talked a lot of positioning stuff and how to use port when to use port stuff

[normal zealot]

if you can that would be awesome. Is that on youtube or twitch or somewhere available?

im really struggling when im getting full focused as warlock

[stiff cedar]

i have no clue if i'm allowed to post a buddies twitch here or if that'd be like a promo rules thing

permission to dm the link?

its timestamped

[normal zealot]

sure

[stiff cedar]

sent 🙂

also check out jazggz on YT, he's a r1 affi with a lot of kiting vids, "how to deal with melee lobbies" vids, etc

[normal zealot]

pog, tyvm for the tips

❤️

[stiff cedar]

absolutely. the cliffnotes that you're gonna find they talk about were letting agony stacks fall (when you can't cast bc full trained, having full dot uptime one everyone possible is kinda you only means of pressure, so it's really important to neever let it reset), occasional mistakes for standing on top of port, giving up good positioning for no good reason i.e. walking into the melee and "closing the gap for them" in an attempt to get active, and then some damage rotation stuff at times. hopefully you're an affi otherwise a lot might be less applicable LOL. obviously the basics remain the same for all 3 specs

[potent pivot]

i think its all about timing all your stuff well

but lock is 1 class ive never really played myself

[normal zealot]

yeah im affi warlock, im defo trying to keep all my dots up but i think my positioning is probably bad

i dont have great game awareness and super tunnelvisioning lol

[proper heath]

Alright! Do we think the 2 and 4 set is trash for assa next season? Or we gaming?

[potent pivot]

not sure yet

ivan and i are gonna test once we can get it on live

[proper heath]

I have an inkling to main feral instead of assa next season.

Thoughts Notrickz?

[potent pivot]

umm

i think rogue is gonna be pretty good

[proper heath]

Its seriously giving Assa + Mark.

[potent pivot]

just play fatebound

fuck it lol

like a 1/4th of people swapped to it

less brainpower

i think eva/cloak wall is really good from DS tho

just depends

[proper heath]

dude 100% of the time. Your mark gets lost at some point during a 4 min match.

and ur just basically proccing rupture plague at that point.

[potent pivot]

remember to reapply after vanishes

[proper heath]

Its just way too sus. definitely going fatebound.

[potent pivot]

you'd be surprised how many assa's i see that literally never apply their first mark in opener

[proper heath]

I do. And then never again. And then I feel bad. but still never pressing that button.

but regardless. Probably main assa, and feral. Feral stonks going up and up.

[potent pivot]

yeh if you can't get the hang of it you're prolly better off swapping to fb ngl

[proper heath]

Feral 4 set is 100% proc when button is pressed. It has to proc , but when it procs you just ferocious bite and congratz you have 4set.

I just wanna also be excited about our tier sets.

And assa tier is again.... "meh". theres no gameplay involved. It's just...play the game.

and sometimes ...something will happen.

[potent pivot]

assa's is good at face value

but nothing crazy

basically added rng

a little bit

sub's is great

[proper heath]

and outlaws! the 20% increased roll the bones chance is great too

[potent pivot]

well

it remains to be seen how the pvp nerfs hamper outlaw's

because it's not as simple as -50% damage aura on it

assumption is that it's just halved to 10%

which is a huge feelsbadman

because it looks so fun in pve

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I’m wondering about that too

[proper heath]

No I halved it for you. It is 40% for pve.

it's 20% for pvp if it's halved.

[potent pivot]

that isn't exactly how it works

[proper heath]

does it go further down?

[potent pivot]

since it has to do with RtB, things are calculated in a way that is not apparent

[proper heath]

ahh I know what you mean.

[potent pivot]

the tooltip does not give you the proper information basically, to know what is actually happening

[proper heath]

Love it, when the tooltip is troll.

[cobalt yew]

Use the map well, corners are a double edged sword but often very helpful to get out of harm

One dumb thing people do until 1900 solo shuffle is just fight in the middle

[potent pivot]

basically 1/4th of the tier bonus goes towards 5buff

and the other 3/4th goes to 2buff

so in pve

it adds 30% chance to 2 buff and 10% chance to 5 buff

with the new sleight of hand talent buff, the total % chance for each outcome is as follows:
1 buff = 18%
2 buff = 65%
5 buff = 17%

so we can minus 15% from 2 buff chance and 5% from 5 buff chance

basically it might not be very good

[cobalt yew]

Finally got to 1950

Should be 2100 now, sure, but fk i

[potent pivot]

gzgz

just had

the most obvious win trading lobbyh

holy fuck

[cobalt yew]

@potent pivot sorry just confirming, the current season ends tomorrow?

[proper heath]

It's probably tonight

I think season normally ends at like 10 pm or something? Thats how it was last time.

Just make sure. I dont think it ends on reset. I think it's before that

[potent pivot]

tonight

10PM PST

[stiff cedar]

yuip. tomorrow for EU though

[grave basin]

Good thing about playing ranged specs is that you decide where the zug Zug apes go

[terse thicket]

What happens when season ends and I have progress toward a Vicious Saddle?

[grave basin]

You can drag them either behind a pillar to los their healer or to a corner of a map so your partner has max uptime to pve them and they can play goalie

[grave basin]

It ends

Reset

[terse thicket]

🥲

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

1 more to go

queues have gotten slower

lets see if we can squeeze er in

[terse thicket]

I got my 1800+ yesterday, pretty happy about it ❤️

[potent pivot]

hellyeah congrats

im just trying to see how many alts i can get done on the last day

[terse thicket]

Thks, you had a part in it, hahaha

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Do I just /afk

[potent pivot]

[terse thicket]

How does new seasons start? New gear and shit? All over again? And what happens to conquest not spent?

[potent pivot]

its gonezo

[terse thicket]

And should I go for shuffle/arenas as soon as season starts? Or will I get slaughtered by gladiators climbing?

[potent pivot]

they give you a lil gold for it usually iirc

well after this reset

it will only be BGs/skirms

for honor

new season starts week after

[terse thicket]

But when it starts, should I wait like, a one after, or two? Hahaha

I can't deal with someone who controls CDs and chain CC and know how to focus properly

Hahaha

Hope to get there

❤️

[potent pivot]

you can if you want to

it can be a little rough, but you'll climb to where you're meant to be without inflation

as the season progresses inflation gets higher and higher

[hidden moth]

Solo zekvir goes away today as well?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[hidden moth]

How long do I have

[potent pivot]

uhhh

4 hours?

[stoic spruce]

Hurry up bucko

[hidden moth]

bro what are lobbies

disc priest not even void weaver keeping up on damage with the 2 dps on my team

[potent pivot]

lobbies have been weird today

all over the place

i had one earlier where an hpal would alt+F4 every time a round started

had to be win trading

[hidden moth]

dude the ele sham tried flaming me

for being in range of disentegrate

while im having to chase the enhance around every fucking pillar

[waxen meteor]

when will this season rating stop

23:00?

[potent pivot]

tonight

10PM PST

[waxen meteor]

ok

[potent pivot]

how are these people even real

[stoic spruce]

Behold

A regular guy

Mr. John Guy

[gleaming pawn]

it's like that one guy back in dragonflight we had in here that just played thousands of games but didn't really get anywhere

[stoic spruce]

He's got a wife and 2 kids and a credit score of 638

[jaunty osprey]

that's a r1 secured

[potent pivot]

they needa take a break

[waxen meteor]

i just run into a 400-400 ish mage player in my super tiny mage lobby

i started 4-0

he went i am so pathetic as a 400 honor level people at such level lobby.....

then decided to suicide to give me a lose

while i was just trying to get my mini mage char a set....

[potent pivot]

yeh i had an hpal BOP me in the room earlier

[potent pivot]

same

got 2 sets done today

workin on 3rd

[waxen meteor]

i wanted to get both mage/lock done last week, but was basically afked till now

[waxen meteor]

and i found i am so bad at caster again lol

[potent pivot]

[waxen meteor]

my warrior reached 2100 with like less than 70 rounds, honestly i didn't even read all skills

[waxen meteor]

man, that mage even chases me more in pm pfff

he attacked me with no reason and suicided, i didn't even say anything

he chased me out of lobby to pm...

[potent pivot]

some ppl are weird man

[hidden moth]

i give up on let me solo him

taking 10 minutes to kill a normal mob in a +10 is beyond stupid

why a normal mob has infinite health idfk

[potent pivot]

its meant to be difficult

you gotta tricks brann and rotate your vanish/cloak with his dispel for the debuff

[hidden moth]

dude

im not even at zek

im legit like 618

also tf is tricks

im using m+ build

[potent pivot]

tricks of the trade

[radiant glen]

just got a shuffle pop after 15 declines w 2 prot pals from same server, 1 refusing to play and the other playing normally...

[hidden moth]

(ik what it is i dont run it)

[radiant glen]

the sp was not happy w the wintrading so he literally took all his gear off and suicided w the normal prot pal to screw his winrate.... LOL

[agile kite]

if you get good rng on outlaw, do you ever have high burst?