thats all we can really do
#pvp
potent pivot
hybrid palm
ok
potent pivot
there's usually 2-3 people involved in it, if its happening in a lobby
hybrid palm
ya
potent pivot
most prevelant lately has been 2 healers 1 dps
hybrid palm
i see
potent pivot
but yeah especially at the end of the season
there's a lot of boosts going on, which are allowed, but obviously you can't be boosted in shuffle
hybrid palm
man, i feel bad, i reached 2074, was a shuffle away from cloak and duelist, and knocked me down
potent pivot
there's also piloting/win trading, both of which are against ToS
jolly sierra
if you come here just to vent we have not too much to say xd
i have seen wintraders too
hybrid palm
no, no, asking about scene
jolly sierra
and i reported them
hybrid palm
im new to wow pvp scene, first season
jolly sierra
if you wanna a quick solve
wait 30 more mins
and requeue
to see if you don't meet them again
hybrid palm
ok
no wonder, ppl dont pvp, it's poilluted with this kind of stuff, now i kind of get it
potent pivot
no wonder, ppl dont pvp, it's poilluted with this kind of stuff, now i kind of g...
its really not that prevelant
jaunty osprey
ya a profile I imported had it set up to work
I just had to anchor it to gladius manually but
it detect 1-2-3
For CDs
potent pivot
like rn its the last week of the season so there's a bit more of it going on than normal, but i don't think its a reason people don't pvp
pvp is also a lot more popular than people let on
jaunty osprey
In terms of gladius to gladiusex, i guess i just have to run both at same time and try to copy the settings and sizing and spacing exactly the same
potent pivot
there's just way more dps than there is healers so queue times are long for dps
hybrid palm
like rn its the last week of the season so there's a bit more of it going on tha...
hmm ya, i also just face it on cust of that reward milestone
cusp*
potent pivot
yeah, thats a bit frustrating for sure
jaunty osprey
There are a lot of pilots atm in solo shuffle at higher rated
extremely easy to tell when you look at a negative w/l in 3s at 1800 and then 2800 shuffle with 80% w/l
So I def expect it more at lower ratings too
hybrid palm
just got to live with it i guess; i mean smurfs are fine, but this deliberate trading is obnoxious
jaunty osprey
near reward threshholds
jolly sierra
ppl doesn't pvp cuz they get both stomped and discouraged by toxic players
not because wintrading
a lot of us had got high rating here even with issues
if you wanna to blame and complain about an only wintrader then maybe this isn't for you
potent pivot
idk i think his discussion is fine
he's new and asking about it because he hasn't encountered it before, not a big deal
potent pivot
why
jolly sierra
i am really tired always getting ppl venting here for something and doing echo chamber when someone says something to them
like happened in the past
its like "why i cant pass X rating the fault is about them not me, i do everything well"
"yall trolling"
"k"
potent pivot
ye but he didn't say those things
jolly sierra
he lit when we told him what to do just said "ok" like "i don't care" and then said "this is the reason ppl doesn't pvp"
severe helm
its really not that prevelant
yeah tbh outside of r1 range I really dont think people are trading
its just that people suck
frankly
or are trolling just cuz theyre lazy and dont care about losing/not taking it seriously
potent pivot
yeah tbh outside of r1 range I really dont think people are trading
there's def some trading that happens near achievement gates
severe helm
this priest just straight up stops pressing buttons but is still running around like intentionally not healing
I did have what im PRETTTY certain is a wintrade here
Like what was he even doing at the end here
ionic orbit
Can you tie 2 abilities to 1 key? I want to know if I could press one key to make my character use shadow blades and symbols of death at the same time
severe helm
yep you can use a macro for that
ionic orbit
or in succession
ionic orbit
yep you can use a macro for that
I'm trying to do that now but my character just speaks the words and doesn't use any abilities
severe helm
well symbols is off gcd so its fine
try this
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Symbols of Death
jolly sierra
I'm trying to do that now but my character just speaks the words and doesn't use...
the order matter, and also, if you wanna be sure 2 abilities can macro at check at wowhead the spell itself in GCD section, if it says "normal" then you can't macro it unless is with one spell which has "N/A" as GCD
for example, you can shiv + symbols, but not shiv + shadowstrike
severe helm
well the ordering for macros is actually kinda weird
if theyre all ogcd abilities they dont actually execute in order
they will be run sometimes in different orders than you write for who knows why but its just some weird shit on blizzards end
jolly sierra
i had some issues w some macros according to order
with the kevin's ooze for example
when i wanted to cancelaura
ionic orbit
try this
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Symbols of Death
thanks!
jolly sierra
we pullin it back
nice, finally
hybrid palm
like, literally i stood still , and no body damaged me until their friend was healed up, and then they all kill me
ive done this testing multiple times now, ive lost 1-5, 0-6, so many games :D, i swear something is up in win trading
same behaviour, if i go afk, or if i never initate from stealth, they just picnic in middle
and i dont even know how to report after game is over, in the middle of stuff, i forget to report (and even when i do remember, only team members are clickable)
hidden moth
tf is sub rogue
felt this whole game like i was one of the victims of a diddy party by this guy
bones
severe helm
Sub is one of the best specs in the game
it beats both other rogue specs pretty handily
esp in shuffle
hidden moth
too bad i dunno how to play it and prob wont learn it till maybe next season
stoic spruce
It's really not that hard to learn. I picked it up in a day. It's actually kind of fun.
jaunty osprey
just sent a ton of games
on 1 rogue
and got my legend after all of these months
hidden moth
proud of u
jaunty osprey
THX
sterile prairie
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
outer sky
ok yeah this is gay af I'm gunna try a different race
shuffle lobby
not 1 meld let me stealth
most of the time stealth didnt even light up
meld just went on CD
and i didnt get anything out of it
Is my macro wrong?
This is what I'm using
I almost never get stealth from this stupid thing
dawn hemlock
For assa go, should i shiv before kidney or after, and do i kidney killtarget or offtarget for cc
sterile prairie
i think the ideal is kidney kill target not sure on the shiv tho
outer sky
meld is just dumb and buggy
it's buggy to the point where I'm questioning whether or not it's even worth being nelf for it
It's very rare i get stealth from meld
outer sky
fatebound?
outer sky
Why cant they just fix their fucking 20 year old game
its not like stealth is a new mechanic
why do i have to choose my hero tree based off this
outer sky
I know
jaunty osprey
yeah it's so dumb
i agree though, shouldnt have to play non optimal because of bug
outer sky
it's not insignificant at all. The difference an extra vanish makes can be game winning
as you know
and ive lost many games to this shit
jaunty osprey
ya
i usually always try to send meld first
before a vanish
cause if it bugs, then at least it'll come back sooner
and i dont rely on it
jaunty osprey
both work the same
and requires multiple presses no matter what
and they both bug out the same
on if singular focus ticks the same milisecond u press meld
outer sky
I feel like
the multiple presses thing
shouldnt be a thing
meld IS stealth
why doesnt it give stealth benefits
that would solve the problem right there
winter seal
Sometimes stealth isn’t even stealth
lost quest
Nelves are boring
winter seal
They flip. So you’re wrong.
outer sky
did you press it twice
Yes lol I know how to use the macro I've been using it for months
severe helm
otherwise you cant stealth over the meld until the initial meld immunity fades
this is mine
works 99.99% of the time
outer sky
That cancel aura
severe helm
its important
severe helm
#showtooltip
/cleartarget
/stopattack
/cast shadowmeld
/cancelaura shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast stealth
/targetlasttarget
thats the macro
welp jsut dced in shuffle
-150
might be the end of my season lol
unfort
indigo hill
Technically it's the end of the season for everyone.
normal zealot
wdym, i thought end of season is the 25.02?
mellow pecan
which offensive poison do i use in arena / bgs? Allways Wound poison?
indigo hill
wdym, i thought end of season is the 25.02?
Yeah in a few days.
indigo hill
which offensive poison do i use in arena / bgs? Allways Wound poison?
Wound/crippling.
mellow pecan
Wound/crippling.
cheers mate
shuffle raiting is inflated as fck right?
i'm going in greens, have literally zero clue what im doing in arenas (pve brain) - stil managed 2k raiting in 5 10 games, with like a 50% round winning rate
glass hazel
end of season :x literally
indigo hill
shuffle raiting is inflated as fck right?
i'm going in greens, have literally ...
It is. Took a handful of games for myself to get full elite set.
stoic spruce
You can 3-3 to 2100
potent pivot
i would assume its just automated from some lame-os reporting idk
there's like 7 people on NA with the same name
potent pivot
now i need to come up with a name
stoic spruce
What race
potent pivot
human atm, my mage
stoic spruce
Sometrickz
potent pivot
lmao
potent pivot
stoic spruce
Are you the type to have name a character like "trickzrogue" or the like
I never understood that
potent pivot
nah
harsh kiln
Are you the type to have name a character like "trickzrogue" or the like
I feel offended😅
Newt, newttwo, newtm,newtr, newtd. Got a gnome called gnewt. The lack of imagination💯
gleaming sentinel
My Tauren rogues name is Giftshop lol
jolly sierra
i have one called Expiredbeef as a DK
sterile prairie
Mine was Zombeef ^
hybrid palm
I was taking portal from stormwind to dornogal, n solo shuffle popped so I clicked accept n went through portal,n the arena concluded I left the game n gave 150 penalty, wow 😄
snow mesa
I was taking portal from stormwind to dornogal, n solo shuffle popped so I click...
ive had this happen 1 game before duelist it made me so mad
gleaming sentinel
outlaw disc vs fury rdu, whos the target?
hybrid palm
Oh that sucks. Hope you weren't close to your goal.
no i switch spec to assasin for tonight temporarily to see win trading scene :D, so didnt lose any rating on sub
hybrid palm
ive had this happen 1 game before duelist it made me so mad
i submitted bug report
hybrid palm
outlaw disc vs fury rdu, whos the target?
at low rank i think rdruid should always be target, besides tranquility window, they are squishy and run around as bear (in which case they aren't doing healing)
snow mesa
i submitted bug report
you don't get CR back for it sadly
at least I didn't
maybe you're luckier
potent pivot
hardly any pvp testing has been happening on ptr afaik
even if there was testing going on, i don't think you can really predict a meta
jolly sierra
fury is extra buffed
potent pivot
possibly DH
potent pivot
fire mage was also buffed
stoic spruce
I've got a feeling rogue is staying the same as it is now. Assa being super strong, Outlaw being overshadowed by Sub but Sub being sleeper OP by people who don't know better.
jolly sierra
ye, fury is good atm
stoic spruce
It's good more don't run Sub rn
jolly sierra
so i could imagine in s2
jolly sierra
It's good more don't run Sub rn
why tf did u switched to sub
potent pivot
sub might be insanely strong
stoic spruce
Pve alt picking wheel
jolly sierra
xddddd
potent pivot
way stronger then assa or outlaw
gilded gulch
low rating sub in shuffle is so funny
you just watch people trinket dumb
and die in duel
jolly sierra
i think sub is 50/50 in climbing
jolly sierra
they coordinates like shit
potent pivot
and it buffs your burst
gilded gulch
I only bothered to finish 21
jolly sierra
in low CR
potent pivot
i like them
gilded gulch
df s1 elite weapons
potent pivot
just the dagger/sword though really
gilded gulch
actually matched the elite set color
winter seal
The sword is really good
jolly sierra
DF S1 colors were a fkn masterpiece as elite
gilded gulch
Also
jolly sierra
i have them and rlly love how they looks
gilded gulch
no idea
jolly sierra
gilded gulch
flames me for not trinketing when he is in los with PS
potent pivot
healer queues are almost insta sometimes
stoic spruce
W key
jolly sierra
XD
gilded gulch
yeah he had like 3.5k wins and losses
stoic spruce
If you're gonna los the healer you better do dmg to justify
stoic spruce
Love it
jolly sierra
i usually flame healers like dpriests or rshsms when they forget what tf is a barrier or a earth wall
gilded gulch
my favorite tbh
jolly sierra
cuz i track their cds
jolly sierra
and they forget how to use it
gilded gulch
Idk why is going healers so frowned upon
jolly sierra
going them every round
i was the bad rdruid XD
gilded gulch
by some pvp players
jolly sierra
10 years ago
stoic spruce
I love a feral that goes bear form and stands there
jolly sierra
maybe is because outdoor
healers almost never dies outside arena
cuz there are not damp
stoic spruce
Hpal is great target
gilded gulch
especially if their postioning is bad
stoic spruce
Kick hpal win game
jolly sierra
i love killing hpals or fistweavers
jolly sierra
gushing wounds?
stoic spruce
in arena
I'm not entirely sure this is the case anymore now that I think about it. It's equivalent to fighting a tank being healed by a healer.
jolly sierra
rdrood is easy to kill in a switch wo trinket
gilded gulch
Yeah i mean
stoic spruce
And then he pops tranq
jolly sierra
if you catch them by surprise
gilded gulch
Yep
jolly sierra
they can die by a stroke
jolly sierra
if the threshold is met
gilded gulch
and had bleeds on all 3
jolly sierra
yep
gilded gulch
yeah i do that too
jolly sierra
in DF i used to just open w DM and vanish
gilded gulch
pretty rare only if pretty sure its a kill
gilded gulch
yeah that too
stoic spruce
Not to brag or anything (I do) but I I'm always sure 💅
gilded gulch
Open world i dont consider real content
still laugh a few times when someone tries to run with full bleeds to fly out
and dies midair to bleeds
stoic spruce
Gonna miss veil
gilded gulch
Barely got to play it in shuff
stoic spruce
Just absolutely countering nelf assa
gilded gulch
almost every fking team to 2100 was melee
stoic spruce
God I hate nelves
Sometimes I send a kidney out to them just to spite them
Especially when kidney had a 20 second cd
For no rhyme or reason
gilded gulch
Where's that one guy
stoic spruce
BAM
stoic spruce
Kidney to the nelf
gilded gulch
real ogs remember when you could sapbug nelves
stoic spruce
That sounds familiar
You know what else sounds familiar? "Hmm it's been a while since I kidneyed the night elf, I should get on that."
And then they be like "why do you keep stunning me" and I tell them to play a real race.
Which is ironic because I play undead rogue. Which is the horde equivalent.
gilded gulch
i mean whenever i play rogue
i feel i get infinitely cc'ed more
than any other class
jolly sierra
who said nelf was mandatroy
hyper
still hate us cuz he thought he needed NE to climb towards 1k8
and called us trolls when we told him wasnt true
stoic spruce
He fiending over a buggy fake stealth meanwhile I get out of these new stuns we call fears.
potent pivot
it's funny because you can knock out 1.8k in like ~2 hours
hidden moth
stoic spruce
Not really
hidden moth
IM CRANKING MAH!!!!!
stoic spruce
2 hours is like, a game and a half.
I played for 4 hours and only got to 1700 because queues are sooooooooo long
potent pivot
idk aren't lower rated games' queues a lot faster
stoic spruce
If lower rated queues are supposedly faster idk how I'd react
I'd probably burn down a building.
But like
An unimportant one
Like my shed
jolly sierra
it's funny because you can knock out 1.8k in like ~2 hours
not rlly
depends of q times and how good ur mmr is
potent pivot
idk when i did most of my alt 1.8k's i knocked them out fast as fuck
jolly sierra
idk, i am surprised too about blitz
potent pivot
mostly in ~2hrs
jolly sierra
it discourages a lot
potent pivot
the rating gains are just capped for whatever reason
gilded gulch
Like I get way more rating in shuffle wins
potent pivot
to a certain amount during placements, and then like ~24 per game after placements
hidden moth
why are the rating gains so tiny in bgb
bc my mmr going into that match is 2557 lobby mmr is 2480 so its expected i win
so i get less rating
on the win but wouldve lost more if i lost
potent pivot
in only a few
probably got lucky with nothing but wins during placements
gilded gulch
No im saying even in general
i feel bgb gains are slow
like max 200 in placements
winter seal
Yeah you like get to 1500 and it just shuts down to 21 rating a game
I was 1800 in 2500 lobbies getting 22 for a win
Very discouraging
winter seal
Played most of my games over 2400 mmr but hit a loss streak at 2330 CR and now my gains are fucked. But it took me so long to climb because of the low gains I played like 50 games above 2400 but now I won’t get there
hidden moth
shuffle feels faster
now maybe
hidden moth
but start of season when the first 2 months the #1 player in shuffle wasnt even 2400
it was a nightmare
potent pivot
they have to drop something big to get that iirc
honestly a little doubtful that it will be a meta choice
jaunty osprey
And they have to bubble to see stealth so..
hidden moth
potent pivot
ye
potent pivot
that will prob be a meta choice
hidden moth
just 80% aoe dr while stuned
potent pivot
no
potent pivot
damage reductions are multiplicative
hidden moth
yeye
potent pivot
just 80% aoe dr while stuned
no to this
potent pivot
not sure
hidden moth
rip
hidden moth
yeah
would be dope if u feint before getting stuned its a pain sup
since we are the only class without a wall
potent pivot
need to test how it interacts with elusiveness
hidden moth
yeah but wont we almost always use cheat
potent pivot
since we are the only class without a wall
wdym
potent pivot
yeah but wont we almost always use cheat
nah
people are pretty split on using elu/cheat
hidden moth
wdym
war has wall ret has shit wall dk has wall, hunter wall, shamans and evoker have a wall druids dont ig idr their defensives all that well. monks have a wall mage has a wall priest has a wall on 2/3 specs and lock has a wall
by wall im mostly meaning on use % dr
potent pivot
ye we have feint
hidden moth
i get feint is a "wall" but its so inconsistent with what it drs vs doesnt
only to aoe
its not going to save me from being ass clapped by a kings bane
or death mark for example
aimed shot the list goes on
potent pivot
with elu it DRs everything
hidden moth
only 20% with elu
potent pivot
20% on an insanely low CD
hidden moth
idk why it says the same thing x2
potent pivot
it doesn't
potent pivot
deathstalker tree also adds a wall to both cloak and evasion
we have a lot of shit really
hidden moth
a half wall
potent pivot
a what
hidden moth
bc it only does magic or phys
we get both via both cds but only 1 at a time unless ur evasion and cloaking same time
potent pivot
yes... because you are immune to the other half
hidden moth
yes... because you are immune to the other half
killed people in a kidney while evasion was up
potent pivot
it wouldn't make any sense for it to be -20% to something while you're already immune to it
potent pivot
it's still considered an immunity
hidden moth
i dont think it should be an immune if there is ways through it
sure u can md bubble but it takes it away not letting people rail u for 6 of the 10 seconds its active
potent pivot
there's ways through most immunities
hidden moth
also cheap isnt dodgeable so u dont even need to be behind them vs something like deterence
er turtle
i just feel outside of cloak our defensives are very 50/50
potent pivot
idk i feel like we have one of the best defensive kits in the game
stoic spruce
Also kinda a wild how a class that easily kills in stuns also has a cheat death
hidden moth
valid
severe helm
yeah but wont we almost always use cheat
cheat is significantly less popular now
severe helm
idk i feel like we have one of the best defensive kits in the game
in todays meta I only kind of feel that way since evasion really doesnt feel like a defensive into a lot of specs
feint is carrying us imo
sub is very very very fortunate that it can reserve both vanishes for defensive use
so its inherently waaay harder to kill than the other two specs
and that it requires no uptime to have kill pressure
but both outlaw and assa esp die nowadays
assa is a great kill target tbh
gleaming pawn
Making Vanish a defensive only again for Sin would be incredible, but it’s not likely to happen. For whatever reason the devs continue to double down on it
jolly sierra
shadowmeld
stoic spruce
What about it
severe helm
whats ew about getting a 3rd vanish
severe helm
honestly
I HAAAAAATE
holy paladin
what a dogshit design of a spec
just infinite get out of jail free cards
a spec with effectively 4 trinkets
unreal
stoic spruce
third vanish
Buggy tho
jolly sierra
and i die because they times like shit
jolly sierra
thats a tank spec as far as im concerned
pally in general is disgusting in arena
as prot i hate them too
they doesn't knows how tf do support
severe helm
I mean ret should not have access to sac and sanc and bop and lay
thats more cooldowns than most healers have
genuinely
jolly sierra
their sac is buffed too
severe helm
its not buggy
well it is
but its consistently buggy
you can work around it
and tbh
compared to in m+
meld is SUPER reliable
cuz in m+ its a bitch to get that shit to work
severe helm
well you cant use it in raid
against bosses
nor in m+ against bosses
well you can press it but you will never get a resteatlh from it
potent pivot
@severe helm
severe helm
sup
potent pivot
Apparently they’re removing double bop
severe helm
I know its great haha
but whats crazy is then ret will have the same level of defensives as hpal
actually more
cuz sanc
lololol
I think disc is gona be the meta healer next ssn
lucid citrus
I like these changes
potent pivot
Supatease put out a vid going over a quick summary of all the pvp changes
He also thinks DH is going to be really good
Had a strong feeling they will be
mystic pasture
mystic pasture
Rogue Buffs!
potent pivot
buffs?
lucid citrus
we got some changes
ohh yeah io was referring to this lol
potent pivot
outlaw got shit on basically wow
lucid citrus
I dont like that they buffed rupture why cant they buff something else?
potent pivot
for sin? i think it's fine
especially for pvp it's just a lil extra rot
oh nvm they buffed it for sub too
that'll just make sub's consistent damage better
lucid citrus
yeahh haha
potent pivot
that's the damage it is always lacking
potent pivot
mystic pasture
assa will rise strong again
Heck yes!
potent pivot
we'll see
mystic pasture
I guess it's relative to all the other classes
potent pivot
builders and envenom left behind again
gleaming pawn
gleaming sentinel
For arena prob. But that quad grapple too good in blitz
potent pivot
trickster new outlaw meta spec in pvp next season
Possibly
But with haste/vers/crit still imo
severe helm
well same stat prio
9% haste then vers > crit
dont think anythings changing on that front
potent pivot
Ye only pointing it out because some tricksters go mastery
I just don’t think it’ll ever be worth
Unironically crit has more value for trickster than it does for fatebound
severe helm
Ye only pointing it out because some tricksters go mastery
yeah I mean thats just explicitly wrong haha
mastery doesnt have more value for trickster
if anything it has less cuz trickster buffs finishers explicitly
and fatebound buffs all your damage via coin
I have yet to see a reasonable defense as to why someone would go mastery on the hero tree that is built around finisher damage
where one of your finishers gets 4x crit damage lol
severe helm
not sure id go that far
severe helm
I thought you were one of the people who goes mastery trickster lol
stoic spruce
Nooooo
Mastery fatebound
Crit trickster
I dropped fatebound completely actually so I don't have any mastery anymore anyway
potent pivot
people change names so much i forget who they even are
stoic spruce
I'm gonna be the reason we have to ask a mod to change them because of how frequently I change
I can feel it
potent pivot
nah
no1 will ever fuck with your name as long as you don't make it something equivalent to war crimes
@severe helm
with the surprising strikes buff we could unironically go more crit
instead of pushing so much vers
50% inc crit dmg is a lot
severe helm
with the surprising strikes buff we could unironically go more crit
I was thinking that tbh
and runnign GSW?!?
PS already hits quite hard
sounds fun
potent pivot
ya
severe helm
do gsw and FtH interact?
yes
but only on the first hit
not all 3
so yeah I guess it "doesnt" interact int hat sense
but it does consume both at the same time
that first PS hits very hard
my average 3 PS shot does 650k when I play gsw build
in pvp
potent pivot
my average 3 PS shot does 650k when I play gsw build
whats your max PS that you remember
we're going to have 10m health pools next season 
severe helm
dont remember tbh
I just know that on average it did the same per use as my bte
which is def very strong
and thats considering Im not always using PS with gsw up
severe helm
to get it ive been dropping cto
which might actually not feel too bad next patch
since sleight and tier buff
so you just play to spam rtb on cd and dgaf about cto buffs
okay so my max PS as trickster in the last shuffle lobby I was in was 225k so that would go up to 675k with gsw
and in a full fth that could be 675k + 2 more normal PSes which is like 125k average
- the crit damage buff
prob around a mil for a PS lol
potent pivot
it'll be higher than 1m
potent pivot
prob around a mil for a PS lol
do you consume opp procs during CS with GSW rn?
might be a lotta gun spam next season
severe helm
do you consume opp procs during CS with GSW rn?
Yeah I do
I also bte on CD outside of stealth
So it is a bit of a different rotation
You also want to bank up PS shots before your window ideally
potent pivot
i am fully down for literally everything on CD degenerate gameplay
severe helm
Slam buttons is fun
pearl dune
ionic orbit
deathstalker or trickster for sub pvp?
potent pivot
deathstalker or trickster for sub pvp?
Deathstalker atm
severe helm
nahj has been playing trickster in a lot of the matches I face him in shuff
trickster sub honestly does as much if not more dps than outlaw if you get to cleave at all
severe helm
so discovered a cool new bug
cheap shot not going through dh blur
literally cheap shot getting dodged
never in my life have I seen that bug before
horrible change from blizzard
anyone ever had this happen before?
I know at the end he metad and probably immuned one
but you can see it say "dodge" as im just spamming cheap shot
jolly sierra
ye, for me happened the same against a sub in evasion today
glass hazel
They fix it? Always landed before
boreal briar
If cheapshot is dodgeable before storm bolt I swear to God...
wanton breach
it is hard for me to fathom how much I despise solo shuffle
blood dk in one game into prot war the next one
stoic spruce
it is hard for me to fathom how much I despise solo shuffle
If you try really really hard enough you might be able to
gleaming sentinel
I’m just ready for double bop to go away
potent pivot
bro the entire TW ladder is either 1 guy with 6 accounts
or it's just a couple friends with 2-3 accounts each
385 characters above 1600 rating
lmao
they're farming free titles and mogs 
chrome schooner
but you can see it say "dodge" as im just spamming cheap shot
Poison procs, main gauche... it can say dodge for more than the globals you use
oak owl
any recs for Plater profile for Assa pvp?
I'm using a generic pvp profile but as usual the procs flourish and cover the whole screen 🤣
potent pivot
any recs for Plater profile for Assa pvp?
I would recommend using the Disable profile by pressing Escape->AddOns->Disable
Jkjk, but I would recommend trying BetterBlizzPlates
Its made for pvp and has multiple preloaded profiles
For plater you’d either have to import someone’s PvE profile or make your own from scratch most likely
Might be a couple PvP oriented profiles on wago.io, but not sure
narrow tangle
plater ran so betterblitzplates could walk
dapper chasm
@potent pivot I checked, now that the updates have settled, and the talents everyone ended on for sub are exactly what I called on day 1 of the patch
What do I win?
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> I checked, now that the updates have settled, and the tale...
some of those talents don't exist anymore Zanaken 💀
dapper chasm
We have learned it doesn't matter
No matter what changes come my way, I will be the trendsetter
The rebel, the disrupter
The one who takes a chance and throws it away - he doesn't need it
jolly sierra
stepdad terry slipped close to the router and made it shatter as he was drunk
so he lose by DC
hidden moth
ight how do i win 1v1 vs ret as assa
jaunty osprey
is there a pillar?
if so, dot and run until kidney is up every time
sprint away on their freedoms
If they send anything that gives forbearance, make sure to just send deathmark and one vanish aggro for garrotes
or u can send deathmark and whatnot early to force cds 🙂
dont have to try to break through shield of veng
can just kite and let it expire
jolly sierra
also, ret in the long road gets dried in mana
in the long road if you keep doing that he should die, soon or later
can confirm, as i used to fight a lot in zaralek when i was competing for nodes and i was fucked up after fighting too much cuz i got out of mana
severe helm
Poison procs, main gauche... it can say dodge for more than the globals you use
I have those disabled
I wish I had gcd button tracker
cuz im literally spamming cheap shot there
and you can see my gcd spiral going
potent pivot
huge, gz homie
hidden moth
i wasnt top just how the thing showed lol, got out dps by the dk and dh
it said i got a pennant where is it? and what is it
nvm i found it
jolly sierra
u have the most KBs
hidden moth
u have the most KBs
oh true
cobalt yew
Can anyone help me with some addon stuff?
Gladiusex doesn't disable blizzard arena frames
Should I use Sarena instead? Maybe that solves it
potent pivot
Can anyone help me with some addon stuff?
Gladiusex doesn't disable blizzard are...
If you go into your regular wow settings edit mode you can shove them off to a corner
potent pivot
Pretty sure there’s a way to disable them I’d have to log in rq to check
potent pivot
Gladius/GladiusEX/sArena are all the same thing really
Just different package/slightly different functions
cobalt yew
Yeah but I read somewhere that sarena could disable it
potent pivot
Sec im logging in rq
cobalt yew
How different do you think Deathstalker plays from Fatebound?
Trying to reach 1950, got dced yesterday lost 200 points from 1920 to 1710
potent pivot
it's mostly the same, like the basic principles are the same
cobalt yew
But are you forced to open with ambush?
potent pivot
deathstalker just requires you to ambush a target during subterfuge to apply the mark
cobalt yew
Oh so at any point, cool
potent pivot
anytime during your subt
ye
and then once you've consumed 3 marks you have to use a max combo point envenom to consume the darkest night buff
cobalt yew
I'm not really enjoying the fact that I waste so much time garroting, rupturing and then slice and dicing
potent pivot
which will apply new marks onto whoever you envenom
cobalt yew
I'll surely swap to subtlety next season
potent pivot
wait why are you pressing slice and dice
cobalt yew
Not always, just on windows where I wont use the cps and am like ccd or slowed
potent pivot
you can basically remove that shit from your bars
cobalt yew
Don't you find that to sometimes use the darkest night buff you have to burst in bad windows like when people have cds and stuff?
potent pivot
there's niche times where you might use it, but saving the combo points until you reach a target is usually much better
cobalt yew
ok
potent pivot
even if they're fully bled you can just envenom them which will reapply SnD
potent pivot
Don't you find that to sometimes use the darkest night buff you have to burst in...
well you don't want to hold the darkest night too long to try and line up a burst window
its a little situational
but cycling through marks, consuming DN, cycling through more marks, etc is just more damage too
popping the marks themselves does damage
having a target marked provides funnel damage onto them if you are damaging any other targets
potent pivot
you're not running gouge?
cobalt yew
No and Idk why, got this build from a random ytber
But he plays blitz with it, kekw
Gonna check on warlok.io for fatebound shuffle builds in a sec
I know I`m doing everything wrong its just that I started like this and didnt swap, I was so close to reaching my goal
potent pivot
not a big deal tbh you're fine
potent pivot
Can anyone help me with some addon stuff?
Gladiusex doesn't disable blizzard are...
looked around, not sure what is disabling my default arena frames lol
i don't remember
there's addons for it though
cobalt yew
Lmao
potent pivot
i'm not even using that one, something else disabled mine
i've got regular Gladius (bicmex version)
severe helm
Can anyone help me with some addon stuff?
Gladiusex doesn't disable blizzard are...
correct
blizzard made it very difficult to disable their frames haha
I just make them very small and hide them in the corner
lost quest
Can anyone help me with some addon stuff?
Gladiusex doesn't disable blizzard are...
I think BetterBlizzFrames can hide them also.
thorn basalt
whats a fun trinket for sniping killing blows in random bgs ? trying to get wrecking ball achieve.
dapper chasm
So, have I lost my mind or are iceblocked mages floating around?
jolly sierra
whats a fun trinket for sniping killing blows in random bgs ? trying to get wrec...
nothing, pve trinkets are bad af
thorn basalt
theres gotta be something, i used to have fun with the grieftorch
dapper chasm
Why not shadowstrike like a man?
potent pivot
theres gotta be something, i used to have fun with the grieftorch
all pve trinkets are heavily nerfed in pvp, its kinda rare these days that any of them are any fun
winter seal
whats a fun trinket for sniping killing blows in random bgs ? trying to get wrec...
play assa and let sudden demise do it for you
thorn basalt
play assa and let sudden demise do it for you
yea i thought about that, thats probably what im gonna do if i cant find a trinket i like
dapper chasm
The other day I put a rupture on a guy, capped a base, did a team fight, quickly opened WAs to edit something and got a killing blow
thorn basalt
grief torch was always so much fun, graphic was cool too
dapper chasm
Maybe what you really want is to just talk about grief torch?
Tell me about it, brother man
thorn basalt
i think i'll just break out the old grief torch right now
idle sundial
hybrid palm
Season ends this reset or next ?
potent pivot
this reset afaik
potent pivot
uhh
1.8 for the set, 1950 for the illusion, 2.1 for the elite weapons, 2.4 for tabard
dapper chasm
I'll aim for 2.1 then
It felt really weird this season
I got 1.8k at start, but it was a bit of a struggle
Now I'm back and got like another 200 rating going 3-3
Used to be the other way around ages ago, as the season end would be stagnant at mid ranks
Suddenly people fighting tooth and nail for 1.8k/2k
gleaming pawn
your mmr inflated while you were away
so even going 3-3 gets you rating as your mmr settles back down
hybrid palm
Can blizzard introduce new achievement for gaming win traders
Hard to believe I can 4-5 rounds in 1950+ bracket but always go 0-6, 1-5 in 2050+
dapper chasm
your mmr inflated while you were away
That's fucked
So there is incentive to not play
gleaming pawn
yeah kinda, if you're not pushing for r1 there is heavy incentive to take long breaks and wait for the end of the season when a lot of people are trying to get their rating done AND are inflated beyond their normal levels of play
it's kinda very stupid
jolly sierra
i always do that but always waste the MMR anyways
runic laurel
There’s no incentive to not play you don’t get anything extra it’s just your mmr is the same thing it would be if you spam queued 3-3 lobbies for 4 months
You get the same inflation to mmr throughout the season whether you play every week or take multiple month breaks
dapper chasm
Yeah, but for sick gamers like me, it's basically a free 200 point boost
I mean, I'm out there getting laid
potent pivot
There’s no incentive to not play you don’t get anything extra it’s just your mmr...
it's not necessarily incentive not to play, but the way that it works definitely makes knocking out your goals quicker and easier if you wait until the end of the season
severe helm
They explicitly make hitting certain rating markers easier as the season goes on
I personally think it's bad for the game
But its how blizz has done it for a while
runic laurel
it's not necessarily incentive not to play, but the way that it works definitely...
Yeah I agree with this, you can accomplish the same goal with way less effort by waiting. But if you enjoy playing and want to improve then there’s no reason not to spam queue, the mmr injections don’t hinder you
potent pivot
hidden moth
I'm not really enjoying the fact that I waste so much time garroting, rupturing ...
wym then slice n dicing u shouldnt have that on ur bars
potent pivot
we already went over it
hidden moth
yeah i see now was still reading through
hidden moth
You get the same inflation to mmr throughout the season whether you play every w...
same inflation sure skill no
more hours should make u better and increase ur mmr on its own
hidden moth
whats with all the hpals in shuffle ladder rn
5 games in a row has been vs hpal on my disc priest
dapper chasm
You guys are not seeing it right in my opinion
Playing at a "fair" rating actually does hurt you
See it from my point of view, if I had continued to play at the 1.8k that I hit at season start, and say I COULD hit 2k, then I would have first hit a "grind" zone before that 2k
Say at 1.9k or whatever
This would mean my win rate would normalise before I hit my "fair rank"
But the mmr boost is actually the gift that keeps on giving. Not only do I hit 2k in literally 4 queues, but my mmr stays higher than 2k when I'm done too!
It doesn't have time to normalise, so I get to push past my "fair rank" and maybe hit 2.1k/2.2k (where if I keep playing I would drop back down to 2k say)
Plus, I play less games total, which is less time playing World of Warcraft - so that's like a triple win
gleaming sentinel
idk i kinda like playing early season, because you play with good players and its prime learning
in shuffle right now 1900-2200 mmr is the wild west
dapper chasm
That doesn't disprove what I said, and it doesn't hurt learning either
The biggest boosts to my strategic or mechanical skills back when I used to "play" play was when I faced off against people better than me
So, even for improvement's sake, it's better to be slightly higher than you deserve
Nothing stops you getting good through other PvP routes either, and just cheese the shuffle queue for rewards and better placement
Which swings back to my main point: incentive to not play
With a big old splash of bloated movelists and homogeneous toolkits just in case you disagree
Thank God I just like making the world's best UI
gleaming sentinel
I play because i liek the game, idk lol
dapper chasm
Sure, but then queue unranked at that point
hidden moth
in shuffle right now 1900-2200 mmr is the wild west
makes me suicidal rn on the priest
wtb fatness scaler for kul'tirin thinking about making a 3rd rogue bc seth has done some meme stuff with kultirin but i hate they are humans with the thicness of a blackhawk heli
gleaming sentinel
Sure, but then queue unranked at that point
I hit the goals i set for myself Q'ing weekly. I'm new to rogue so the reps are good for me
dapper chasm
I mean, great - I hope you're having fun, but my point stands
If you want a good rank, playing less is the way to go
Saying you are learning or having fun just playing is great, but it just means you don't prioritise ranked
gleaming sentinel
I think I’m number 19 or 20 on the blitz ladder and after elite in shuffle its rank 1 and I am not that
dapper chasm
Great, but what's your point?
gleaming sentinel
I guess I don’t understand what you mean by “good rank” then
dapper chasm
I thought I laid it out pretty clearly
Whatever your fair rating is, it can be higher
By playing less
Or, if you hit a wall, you don't have to get better at the game, you can just take a long break instead
This is incentive to play less, assuming you want rating (kinda weird to play ranked if you don't but whatever)
And incentive to play less is hella stupid
Do you get it now?
gleaming sentinel
Yea I do, I agree with you
dapper chasm
Alright, it's just you kept saying idk
gleaming sentinel
Alright, it's just you kept saying idk
I guess I feel like I don’t improve at the game waiting for 3-3cr gains from my mmr inflating, but your point of incentive not to play for cr alone is dumb I agree with
dapper chasm
Sure thing, but I am only talking about rating here
You could also argue that my World's Best UI (TM) also could be better if I played more games and had more chances to move elements around to be pixel perfect
And maybe I could meet a great new friend from being online more (I would never be friends with a WoW player of course, but you get it)
Reminds me back when I used to play, if you hit 2.2k rating, you had to stop playing for the rest of the week so you can buy weapons at reset
hidden moth
This is incentive to play less, assuming you want rating (kinda weird to play ra...
tbh i prefer ranked over random bgs/skrims evenm without pushing rating
just bc its more fun when my team isnt getting shit stomped bc they are in 600 ilvl greens
gleaming sentinel
Sure thing, but I am only talking about rating here
Yea I feel you
dapper chasm
tbh i prefer ranked over random bgs/skrims evenm without pushing rating
Ok, great, but my point stands
hidden moth
u said it was weird to play ranked without caring about ranking
dapper chasm
Well, it is
hidden moth
not disagreeing with the whole by afking u can come back for more rating later
but i also think if u git gud ur going to gain rating in the meantime and when mmr gets inflated u will be higher than u wouldve
a stagnant player at 1800 could afk 2 months come back and hit 2k but a active player that whole time at the end of those 2 months would be somewhere areound 2.2-2.4k
dapper chasm
but i also think if u git gud ur going to gain rating in the meantime and when m...
Maybe, but that was the whole point I made earlier about normalising your win rate and improving by playing vs better people
dapper chasm
a stagnant player at 1800 could afk 2 months come back and hit 2k but a active p...
One is a sure thing, one is a maybe
hidden moth
if u play for 2 months straight for 0 improvement well thats just a rip and unlikley tbh
dapper chasm
The reality is most people aren't going to see a 400 point improvement once they hit a middle spot in their skill
gleaming sentinel
a stagnant player at 1800 could afk 2 months come back and hit 2k but a active p...
Not ashamed to admit it took me a fuckin thousand rounds across 2 rogues to hit elite lol
But I needed to grind it and learn how to win lobbies
hidden moth
Not ashamed to admit it took me a fuckin thousand rounds across 2 rogues to hit ...
broi same for disc im still needing improvement in pvp arenas but
dapper chasm
Playing more always leads to improvements, be it in BGs or duels or arena
hidden moth
before inflation hit bgb i was playing with what are now r1s in bgb and im unable to keep up with them after the break
while my rating is higher i got worse
over the break
dapper chasm
But for guys who play ranked for rating, which is most people - they just want to hit a certain rank
I don't play WoW much anymore, I want to log on, do a couple of queues, hit my goal and go
And I dare say that's most people now
I had my fun with improving and getting more skilled 20 odd years ago
And again, I think that's most people now
I see blood elves running around with walking sticks outside Orgrimmar now
Someone in my guild called Mists of Pandaria one of the "modern" expacs
hidden moth
i mean
vanilla- wotlk is classic cata-wod retail lite legion-now is retail
well legion is PEAK bfa-slands is the shadow ages and dragonflight- war within is golden ages
gleaming sentinel
before inflation hit bgb i was playing with what are now r1s in bgb and im unabl...
I realized pretty quick I was out of my league, and then the times I needed to Q I figured I hit a decent spot to just call it a season and work on casual stuff
pliant mauve
Not ashamed to admit it took me a fuckin thousand rounds across 2 rogues to hit ...
Just got absolutely flamed for this by a healer in SS. At 2355 and he kept doing the laugh emote and saying “1k hahaha”. Dude was a toxic prick but that was still embarrassing lol