pvp

[raven schooner]

Thank you

[cobalt yew]

Is it worth using Cyrces Circlet on pvp?

[winter seal]

no

[jolly sierra]

never

[jolly sierra]

i think are the desperate players

trying to get stuff

xd

[cobalt yew]

So I use two of these?

[jolly sierra]

basically

what bout shuffle?

its easier for a 1k8 w alts

i did it w monk

and got the 1k8 in like 30 games

rounds

i say

[cobalt yew]

Just got to 1.8 bro and I'm washed af, I don't know anything about the game and play fully with my brain turned off

You can do it on alts

[jolly sierra]

lit why

[cobalt yew]

How does outlaw perform on solo shuffle?

[hidden moth]

its called marvel rivals or deadlock

[hazy monolith]

Marvel has like what 4-5?

We talk 40

[hidden moth]

most have 5+

with passives

40 abilites to balance into a fps for 1 too nto have

would be wayyyy to much

[hazy monolith]

That was my idea

[hidden moth]

people alreadybitch about 25+ being too much in wow

or ff14

but lets add fps mechs to it

[winter seal]

@potent pivot the dream is alive

[jolly sierra]

every skirmish i play has a feral druid

wtf

different ferals

[winter seal]

feral busted

[ionic orbit]

Thoughts on if you should learn Flagellation and Goremaws bite?

[winter seal]

there is talent builds in pins

[hidden moth]

You should learn how to screen shot and not take pics with the phone 😭😭😭

Windows+shift+s

[ionic orbit]

Nahh

[outer sky]

is sub still the best spec for RMP?

[lost quest]

Is orc still best horde race or can it be undead with wotf? ( blitz mainly)

[severe helm]

I really hope blizzard reverts the change that made all fears take like 40% hp to break

its super toxic for the game

[stoic spruce]

that fear break has been helping me so much lately with the amount of spriests and locks ive been running into

and DHs

[severe helm]

wdym

fear like never breaks nowadays lol

[outer sky]

Yeah I've been saying it for so long that fears and disorients need to stop being stuns by another name

[stoic spruce]

Yeah thats my point

Why would I use a break on something that breaks when the wind blows

[verbal field]

Solo shuffle game, doors open and this one heal sham just stays in base, almost dies at opener, at first I thought he was afk but no, I was just asking why he did that and I got instant messages like ‘why you asking you idiot’ ‘too noob to get it’ ‘dumb kid’ etc. Unfort I didnt screen that but is this some kind of hidden shaman strategy i dont know?

[indigo hill]

In my experience the biggest a holes in pvp are resto shamans. Don't know why it's always them.

[stoic spruce]

Them and specifically human rets

In my experience, they're tied.

[glass hazel]

yeah some shamans just cringe

and some hpals

priests\druids super chill most of the time

[stoic spruce]

No one knows toxic like a goblin shaman

[verbal field]

I dont really know what the problem there was, cause after that, his team stayed in base and so did my team, then someone left the match

I didnt even ask my question in an agressive way

[gleaming sentinel]

Watching Dazed’ shuffle vod. Dude is insane

[indigo hill]

No wonder I've been doing so bad in arena on my human ret. I'm too polite. 😂

[jolly sierra]

human rets are probably the most racist, fanatical and womanizer players i have ever seen, like an average 4chan user

*human male rets

they are quite a meme

look

probably the biggest arses in pvp i ever found are DHs or undead players, specially rogues

oh oh, kazzak players too, indeed

[indigo hill]

Dammit. I just lost at bingo.😂

Most people hate kazzak or argent dawn players.

I was going for the gilnean priest turned paladin when the gates broke.

[jolly sierra]

XD

[jolly sierra]

poor royal

[winter seal]

Do you guys think blitz is extremely streaky or is it just me?

[severe helm]

yes

[winter seal]

crazy how it turns as well, I'll just be winning 4 straight and then its 4 losses

[stoic spruce]

Just @ me next time, damn.

[lost quest]

Do you have link?

[severe helm]

Yeah id like to watch as well haha

[potent pivot]

@lost quest @severe helm https://www.twitch.tv/dazedfps/videos

[severe helm]

ah its all 3s

doesnt look like he streamed and shuffs

[potent pivot]

ye i think he very rarely streams

[severe helm]

damn got baited

[potent pivot]

oh Pk said shuffle vod

[severe helm]

yeah

[potent pivot]

idk about all that

mans never streams

[severe helm]

maybe he thought it was shuffle

but it was 3s

idk

[potent pivot]

i've seen him play on kalvs stream pretty often

always 3s

[ionic orbit]

Which mouse do you guys think is best for rogue pvp? The 12 button style gaming mouse or more minimalist design with only 2-5 larger thumb buttons?

[potent pivot]

the mmo mouse

(the 12 button)

[winter seal]

Climb might be joever

[potent pivot]

you did pretty good regardless

[winter seal]

Yeah. I’m gonna queue more today. If I can climb a bit I might try and few games during the week and see if we can get there

Or if I can get back to 2300 maybe I can get there next weekend

[jolly sierra]

@stoic spruce ok

[wary thistle]

I use a 502 but I'm a thumbstick movement gamer so my wasd keys are bound to ability keybinds

[gleaming sentinel]

Check out Multi R1. testing some stuff, sitting shuf https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2334140500

@severe helm month ago

[ionic orbit]

What device do you use with a thumbstick?

[potent pivot]

Most likely the razer tartarus

This thing

[severe helm]

oh hes at 2300 in this lol

those poor shufflers haha

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea he just ran those lobbies over. Dudes 80% wr at 2900. My hero

[hybrid palm]

if duel being removed, what's the new sub themed pvp talent ?

[potent pivot]

there isn't one

same with outlaw, which lost 2 outlaw specific pvp talents

rogue got 1 new general pvp talent for feint

[hybrid palm]

ok, thanks

so when will they remove hemotoxin then ? 😄

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

that would be funny

but don't think so, is nerfed af

XD

[severe helm]

I mean

they might as well

only thing that it does is apply aoe ms

6% more than baseline wound is pretty irrelevant

[winter seal]

blitz mmr is so stupid

[severe helm]

yep

[winter seal]

i lost a bunch, so my mmr is lower than cr then i win 2 in a row and my mmr is close to my cr and i lose the next and i lose 65!!! mmr

[stoic spruce]

I accidentally forgot to apply wound and I don't think it actually made a difference in 2s

[wary thistle]

Used to use the razer pad that tricks linked, nowadays using a standalone unit that butts up against my keyboard
https://store.maxxstick.com/products/maxxstick-r3-pro

Been liking the maxxstick way more since i can use my mech keyboard and it uses a ps5 stick, which feels way better than the razer stick and can be set as either directional key input or as an analog stick.

[severe helm]

brother on my alt my mmr is 400 points below my cr

I gave up

blitz is a meme bracket if its not fun dont play it

let it die

[surreal barn]

Maxxstick sounds more like a sex toy

[winter seal]

i wanted 2400 i was 2330 with 2700 mmr and lost 8 in a row and now im in hell

[gleaming sentinel]

Not to mention after a certain mmr you have to play at like 4am… it’s bogus.

[severe helm]

yeah thats what made me quit

im not gona stay up that late for a titel

[gleaming sentinel]

I just liked playing, lol

[wary thistle]

Lol yea not the best name

[mystic pasture]

the g502 for me ( is use shift and control to get more out of those buttons) I find MMO mice buttons far too small and close together to hit with any accuracy

[hybrid palm]

why doesnt shuriken storm count on pets ?

[potent pivot]

because it was broken

[inner tartan]

dosent outlaw bladeflurry one thou still work been a minute sinse i ran it in pvp thou

[potent pivot]

Dunno, probably

You can’t spam it as often

[gleaming pawn]

I took an extended break and haven't been paying attention. Reading these patch notes, they certainly don't read as very Rogue positive

how cooked are we

[potent pivot]

we'll be fine as always i'm sure

[gleaming pawn]

that's what I'm trying to lean towards, but the specs are losing some good talents and our PvE changes are two lines. Nothing new by any means but goddamn

[potent pivot]

we're getting the feint pvp talent

sub and outlaw's tier sets seem good

[agile kite]

does anyone know how to officially get the

unbound strategist pendant

https://www.wowhead.com/item=227539/unbound-strategists-pennant#reward-from-a

Someone said it's 25 wins post 2400, this says 50 wins post 2100 as a HEALER

i cannot figure it out

[agile kite]

@potent pivot So it really is only for healers lol?

[potent pivot]

read the second picture

[agile kite]

OH

thank you so much

[potent pivot]

i think the one you're wanting is the uh

forged legend's?

[agile kite]

Yeah

FUCK, i have to win 25 above 2400 now

locking back in

[hybrid palm]

i dont even get 25 queues a week 😄

[winter seal]

Fatebound is 50/50 with DS in blitz that’s cray

[gusty hedge]

yeah bladeflurry hits everything(pets but not totems etc)

[inner tartan]

kk good

[potent pivot]

think you meant the combo point gen right

not just hitting

with the aoe talent

[inner tartan]

yee deft whatnot manervers or howeveru spell it

on cast

[potent pivot]

yeh

[rich pine]

how are we feeling about the new assassination set bonus?

[potent pivot]

Pretty meh overall

Unless it gets buffed the 4set absolutely will not be worth using

Will probably use 2 set if there’s 2 pieces with decent stats

[lone goblet]

They need to change 4 set to 100% chance

[dreamy parrot]

anyone have a weakaura that shows if you have dots on you that would take you out of stealth. sometimes you'll have lots of debuffs but none are actually dots

[potent pivot]

I don’t believe anyone’s ever made a WA like that

You just kinda learn the debuff icons over time

[dreamy parrot]

sure but looking at 1 icon is quicker than scanning over 30 lol

ive found the option in weakauras that tracks periodic dmg, but it sometimes shows up for debuffs that dont have a dot tied to it

[brazen ravine]

Hello I never played pvp until this week (I want to do some in s2) and I wonder what is the "best" spec for it ? (Damages, mobility, tankiness, ...)
For now I prefere Outlaw but in my mind it was always Sub the "must to go" spec for pvp

[potent pivot]

there aren't "pvp specs" these days, and balance has been pretty good for a while now generally. most of the time you can just play whatever you enjoy, especially if you aren't trying to push super high

[jolly sierra]

s2? you need to wait a couple of weeks

sometimes specs unbalance a lot

in week 1, leaving other ones underperforming

[potent pivot]

outliers tend to get fixed quickly

[brazen ravine]

Oooh nice good to know thanks, Its nice because I want to play outlaw so hard next S2 but everytime I check the channel everyone is crying about how outlaw is trash in aoe vs sin and mono vs sub so it could be my pvp spec 👌

[jolly sierra]

you can see for example sub very OP in week one to be awfully nerfed shortly after

so just wait

[potent pivot]

yeah that's mainly a pve complaint. if outlaw's what you enjoy, play it

[jolly sierra]

for example in DF s2 in pre season 2 you had sub 1 shotting ppl

and was nerfed to trash

after a week

so don't get too confident practising if you want to play the best one and wait

[potent pivot]

such a bad outlook for how the game is these days

[jolly sierra]

that happens because they always tune at start of a patch without measuring the consequences xd

i foresee fury warr deleting ppl in 3 seconds for week 1

[potent pivot]

week 1 doesn't make up the whole season

[jolly sierra]

but can matters if sub incident happens again, leaving the spec useless for a lot of time before some buff

so i wont advice practising for now if you are a newcomer, to avoid problems later

[potent pivot]

yeah i just find that as bad advice

it's a game, play if you want to play

[jolly sierra]

going anyways even as they get nerfed to the floor?

dude you will make them suffer trying to push

if they goes anyways

[potent pivot]

you're overstating hard

even when people say a spec is "dog shit" in this game, it's 99% of the time still viable

[indigo hill]

Always play what you enjoy. Even when it's not the best spec. I've tried playing meta specs but didn't like them and for me it made pvp less fun.

[brazen ravine]

thanks everyone for you answers, outlaw will be the "need to go" for me then ! 🔥 see you around in arena 😎

[halcyon timber]

Good outlook and positivity. Never leave that .

[stoic spruce]

Good luck with that

[pastel burrow]

Duality of pvper

[halcyon timber]

One can make their own decisions. No need to make it worse for others

[stoic spruce]

The assa is done before the gates open wdym?

[halcyon timber]

As a man thinketh, so is he

[stoic spruce]

It's so good that we don't know the names of our opponents prior to gates opening because I'd be the biggest shit talker

Wsp an fdk "you already lost btw"

@potent pivot wyd if your opponent whispers you "ooga booga booger bawlz" before gates are even up?

[jolly sierra]

good luck with that

i am just warning about the worst just in case they stick w the class and get nerfed at week 2

[stoic spruce]

What did I say the other day?

[jolly sierra]

@ me

[stoic spruce]

Very good

[jolly sierra]

@stoic spruce

[stoic spruce]

Yippee

[jolly sierra]

[stoic spruce]

I burn incense in preparation for making a healers day worse

[jolly sierra]

i am preparing the night elf for late season pushing

is almost full geared, just some few more pieces and is full geared in s1

[severe helm]

well its target capped so almost everything

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I got a sub alt for pve and it's just about geared

[jolly sierra]

nice nice

but

fkn night elves

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I play undead

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

I burnt the tree down btw

Sylvanas was actually late to the burning but they didn't want to give me credit.

[jolly sierra]

good job

deserved

[stoic spruce]

Thank you very much Mr. Panda.

[jolly sierra]

for that elves being so fkn douches before the burning

[stoic spruce]

And making that annoying sound when the male ones die

Like

Dude get over it

[jolly sierra]

ughh AAAAAAAAAA

or when the female slips and dies

how dumb imagine dying by slipping on the floor

dumb elves

[stoic spruce]

Acting like she got POTS or something

I HATE them

[jolly sierra]

ye

[stoic spruce]

Seriously

Die in silence

Be a man

[jolly sierra]

even in WC3 they were noisy dying

watch the DH

[stoic spruce]

Oh I remember

[severe helm]

NE best race

hate us cuz they aint us

stay jealous

[jolly sierra]

lit stabbed himself for more drama

[jolly sierra]

i hate them for being racist pricks in lore which looked down on everyone even 10k years later

[stoic spruce]

I'm not jealous, I'm envious one could be so wrong and not see their flaws.

[jolly sierra]

i even feel pity for the highborne

its dumb hating them after such time

when they only wanted to rejoin

[severe helm]

they were happy on their tree

[jolly sierra]

even more when they are secluded in bel'ameth alongside undeads and DHs

[severe helm]

but people fucking with magic

[jolly sierra]

having a quarter for them

[severe helm]

kept starting shit

idiot

s

[jolly sierra]

like animals

[severe helm]

they just dont learn

[jolly sierra]

magic is needed

[stoic spruce]

What does this look like to you?

[severe helm]

kekw

[jolly sierra]

look at kirin tor

and high elves

[jolly sierra]

like a bully boot

[stoic spruce]

A boot

[jolly sierra]

fkn night elves tree huggers

[stoic spruce]

But he'll be calling it lunch when I see him in the arena

[jolly sierra]

hope sargeras burns bel'ameth

glory to the legion

viva viva

[stoic spruce]

Gf asked why i was taking a picture of my boot

[jolly sierra]

tell her is to smash ppl

[stoic spruce]

I said "Hold on babe I'm about to burn someone on the internet"

[brazen ravine]

do you wear your 619 ilvl pvp gear instead of your 639 pve gear when you do outside pvp ? I know that pvp gear upgrade to 639 when you do arena or battlegrounds but I don't know about the rest

[jolly sierra]

639 pve gear? most ppl doesn't have 639 pve gear here xd

pvp gear works in outdoor

when is interacting in open pvp zones or you assaults someone else

[brazen ravine]

ok good to know ty

[brazen ravine]

well its the end of S1, I guess if you do some m+ or mythic raid you're able to get it :b

[jolly sierra]

nah i don't care about pve tbh

maybe for a curve

but nothing else

the pvp gear is enough for outdoor

[brazen ravine]

ah yes then its not increadible to get 639 like you let me think, its just not your cup of tea

its nice bcs i thought i was doing something wrong

[jolly sierra]

the thing is, pve for me is pretty boring

[brazen ravine]

it was so strange to me to only have 619

[jolly sierra]

killing npcs

[jolly sierra]

conquest gear

is the difference

if you do solo rated you can get enough currency to buy it

[brazen ravine]

yup i bought everything since I was doing it for the Tmog first

[jolly sierra]

if you win a game in your first pvp game of the season mostly you get a voucher to craft pvp gear

[brazen ravine]

but then...

[jolly sierra]

w 639 ilvl

you have floating chests in outdoor

if you loot them, it is 60 conq for free

[formal pebble]

Im sub so it may vary but my pve gear has a good chunk of verse, so I wear it in world pvp, as well as using my pve spec as it just does like 10times the damage and that typically serves me better in world pvp situations than all the control. Plus as a rogue if I need the control from pvp spec I can just vanish swap and reengage.

but as the others have said its not vital

Mostly jusrt saves time killing quest mobs

[halcyon timber]

No luck involved. Just don’t be an ass. People want to be a little shit can carry on and one day it catches up and someone gets fed the fuck up.

[jolly sierra]

why? i am just saying to hold on

rog is by far one of the most tuned classes overall

[halcyon timber]

Mistook you for the reply about something else I assume here.

Us rogues will be fine, despite the incessant whining of forums and bozos attempting to hijack / influence devs for jackass things.

[jolly sierra]

well, no

one spec at least

but if some spec is op af in early patch

it will die

for most season

i only say to be careful and wait

to avoid wasting time

if you are a newcomer

else, you can play normally

sub rogue had passed away a lot of times in early season patches

like kyrian S1 sub or DF preseason s2 (or 1 dont recall)

[lone goblet]

Man, blitz has turned into absolute shit this last week.
A week ago I was 2700 CR and only needed like 12 wins to finish off my seasonal mount (yeah I dont play that much until late season, I dont even have the mount bar finished yet). That was my goal just finish this stupid mount so I can stop playing until S2.

Now my MMR is down to 2000, I've lost like 25 games out of the last 30 and I still have 7ish more games to win before getting the mount. No matter how low my MMR goes seems to have no influence on the difficulty of winning a game. It's 100% random.

[jolly sierra]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF

holy fuck

[lone goblet]

Like in Shuffle I can tell the difference between a 1800 game and a 2100 game massively. I can basically watch TV while playing at 1800 and still go 3-3, while I have to focus 100% to eek out anything at 2100.

[jolly sierra]

dude what is tough F

how

[lone goblet]

But in Blitz a 2000 game and a 2700 game feel exactly the same. there is no difference.

[jolly sierra]

too much sweaty players?

[lone goblet]

I think playing in the last 2 weeks is just bad. Next season Ill try and finish things up a month before the cutoff rather than waiting till final weeks.

[jolly sierra]

the end season tact is most for stacking MMR

i use it for 2k1, but tbh

sometimes i just lose a lot in a row and lose all the MMR i stacked for months

but reach the goal anyways

[lone goblet]

Fortunately I dont care about mmr right now, I already unlocked the duelist cosmetics... but I jsut want some wins to get this stupid mount.

and its taking forever

[pale storm]

blitz is a lottery, you either get a good team or not unfortunately and the difference in players can be astounding, even at 3100+. With the way the mmr is, new players that never pvp can hit 3k+ mmr if they streak early (which a lot of people do), then get placed in games with good players and you can easily tell the difference. just unfortuinately you may get stuck with the new players every match, it is luck of the draw

[lone goblet]

It's weird., my placement games for blitz I did about a month ago and went 8 wins 7 losses and it still put me at like 2600 CR

and then I hovered around 50%, even climbing a bit to 2700

then last week the massive loss streak hit

I don't consider myself good at blitz at all... so I was confused why my CR so high... figured it must just be massive inflation.

[stoic spruce]

who is it

who tf is it

SHOW YOURSELF

[jolly sierra]

is hyper

[winter seal]

Blitz is so wack

This past week has been fucked for me too

People will literally just not hold nodes in 2400 lobbies. Just random fighting or full team at bs

[jolly sierra]

current state of high end blitz pvp:

[hybrid palm]

If darkest night is up, but dance has some seconds, do you save it for dance premed eviscerate, or use darkest night outside of dance

[stoic spruce]

got paired with a nelf rogue

yuck

[stoic spruce]

its actually insane how assa can play so terribly and still win

[gilded gulch]

in shuff?

[jolly sierra]

ewwwwww

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[stoic spruce]

he was so bad too

[gilded gulch]

shuffle feels incredibly dead

[stoic spruce]

play at a low level

theres all sorts of creatures down here

[gilded gulch]

Yeah I got an mw malding

over why not "just go mage"

as a double melee comp

just train a frost mage yk

[stoic spruce]

bless your soul

[gilded gulch]

i swear some healers who think

[jolly sierra]

once i say a guy

[gilded gulch]

you can "just" train a frost mage

[jolly sierra]

at 1k6 CR

with 1k-1k W/L

or 1.5 each idk

in shuffl

[winter seal]

What’s low level

[stoic spruce]

below 2100

or even 1800

[jolly sierra]

below 2k

[outer sky]

Fuck 0-6'd on my lowest rogue

trash lobby

frost mage/evoker + all casters

couldnt do anything

frost mage really is such a cuck

i cant even run away

i just get RNG rooted while trying to limp away at 10% speed

idk why blizzard lets that spec exist

[stoic spruce]

dont worry

2 grips, 2 freedoms, and a wraithwalk and I still cant connect to anyone in a mage/hunter lobby

[outer sky]

and you dont even get slowed as much as everyone else

and they dont die either

[stoic spruce]

They're so bait targets

[outer sky]

it's just so frustrating

I'm trying to push r1

and like

frost mage

is by far the biggest cuck

if there hadnt of been a frost mage in that lobby I could have won the lobby

but frost mage so 0-6

[hybrid palm]

in loderon arena i run into the cul de sac and die like a dog 😄

[severe helm]

I have no issue killing a frost mage as long as they don't have an hpal haha

Freedom makes that spec a god

Or unless it's ok tol viron arena

That one is just too big man

Idk why ashmanes isn't in the shuffle map pool but mugambala is

[hybrid palm]

ive even tried dropping pre-med etc, and getting night terrors for hunter pets some rounds :D, don't work

night terrors should be baseline

[gritty peak]

is falc a giga shaman

[steel scarab]

How long does it take you guys to get into a game? I stopped queueing when I hit 2150 and the queue time was 37+ minutes per game.

I just was like, "well, I'd like to go for 2400 again but my sanity cannot sanction this nonsense. Unsub"

(This was over a month ago, curious if queues have improved)

[potent pivot]

Can depend on the time of day you queue, but it’s the end of the season so things have popped back to life a bit

Lots of people grinding last minute rewards and buying boosts for them as well

[winter seal]

My bgb queues were like 9 minutes. Shuffle was like maybe 14. Sometimes less tho

[dark kernel]

Alright giys

How cooked we thinking outlaw is next patch

[potent pivot]

it'll be fine

[dark kernel]

Take your cut is a pretty massive nerf. Increased item stats may alleviate it, but unsure

[potent pivot]

its not really that big

we have take em by surprise, that's all that's required at the end of the day to meet our haste requirement

its a little shitty we can't give our team the extra haste, but it's nothing we can't live without

[indigo hill]

There's like 5 of us that play outlaw. We will pull trough like we always have.

[jolly sierra]

@stoic spruce betrayed the order switching color

[dark kernel]

Wym outlaw was the meta pvp spec all season

[jolly sierra]

OUTLAW IS NOW THE BEST SPEC LETS GOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/trif-pendulum-hype-mad-man-table-gif-21272443

[potent pivot]

people say that

but all 3 specs have been good all season

[dark kernel]

They've been good just not what's played

Sin was pretty high tier except for healers that were meta

Hpal and prevoker are doodoo for sin

[potent pivot]

wdym "whats played"

[dark kernel]

Uhh...every single high ranking rogue is playing outlaw in 3s?

A few are playing sub rogue like Nahj

[jolly sierra]

pandora box has been opened

[potent pivot]

even for eu that is less true than it was a couple months ago

and hasn't been true for na the entire season

[dark kernel]

Its not a point of contention and without data on X games played above a certain rating as the spec, it's all speculation.

I've not personally seen many people play Sin outside of shuffle and outside afflock

[jolly sierra]

well, TBH 3s is a dead bracket

representation is VERY low there

ppl moved on for both blitz and SS

even 2s has low numbers

[potent pivot]

i can agree that spec can be comp dependent, but we have a decent amount of data

[jolly sierra]

even less in RBGs

rbgs has 250 players overall in the world at 2k4+

3s 2k players in each region

shuffle has 12000 players across the world

blitz 12k players too

ye, u can't pick 3s for representation for a whole category as pvp

if their numbers are so low compared to other brackets

[potent pivot]

ye, numbers are for sure lower these days

but afaik there's more assa above 2.4k than outlaw

(in all regions)

[jolly sierra]

almost even

3 heads doesn't make a change in representation

[potent pivot]

huh

[potent pivot]

ah diff page

[jolly sierra]

think so

[potent pivot]

nvm thats top 5k

[jolly sierra]

did you filtered 2k4+?

[potent pivot]

on the last page i linked yes

[jolly sierra]

ye

dead bracket

[potent pivot]

not the one i just deleted

[jolly sierra]

xd

[potent pivot]

still my main point is just

i find it weird when people say something is best or the meta choice

when it isn't

[jolly sierra]

even stat wise

as we checked

isnt the best according to the stats in 3s

in that pov should be assa

[potent pivot]

at one point a couple months ago, outlaw was like 40 out of the top 50 in EU only

now that its time for r1 push that has changed

[gleaming pawn]

Clearly the AWC meta and what the handlful of rogue streamers play is most definitely the meta and not at all effected by several other factors

We all know if you’re not a streamer, you don’t matter 🙄

[jolly sierra]

i hate that NPC mindset

xd

[potent pivot]

even in awc we saw sub win in eu

[jolly sierra]

imagine one starts to play naked

and this guys

all goes naked cuz the streamer said so

[languid ravine]

guys a word of advice, dont put it in too deep or you ll look like this

[indigo hill]

Yeah but hardly anyone plays it. Rogue in general is one of the least played classes. I've maybe seen 1 in about 200 games.

[karmic summit]

i cant take it anymore

[karmic summit]

I see a lot of assa rogues around

[jolly sierra]

can relate, happened the same to me with 2099 a week ago

[karmic summit]

i got 2397

then 3 afk lost so much mmr

like 100

climbed back to here

[jolly sierra]

lets see how it goes

[wintry dew]

If you got that far, you can go way further brother, keep grinding, you can do it

[jolly sierra]

hear the green one, is giving u strength

[jolly sierra]

how are u champ

[wintry dew]

The power of friendship

[jolly sierra]

lit

[wintry dew]

Im doing pretty good, life goes well, nothing to complain and a lot to be thankful

[jolly sierra]

good shit

[wintry dew]

How you doing my bro

[jolly sierra]

seems the season is nice

[severe helm]

eeeeh its aite

hpal is too strong

[jolly sierra]

i got rehired today

[severe helm]

hpal meta is always miserable imo

[jolly sierra]

and bought a premium burger

was tasty AF

[wintry dew]

That premium burguer to appreciate the good shit in life, proud of you man, good to know another rogue brother is doing well

[hidden moth]

can i get my mmr out of 2100 and into 2400+ and win 15 games with rating 2400 plus before season ends we will find out

[verbal field]

any thoughts on my current build? flag recommended?

[potent pivot]

It’s not a hard requirement but it’s good if you want to run it

Only thing I would swap is Lingering Darkness for Symbolic Victory

[verbal field]

alrighty

[jolly sierra]

i am a hedonist, NGL, but today is important too, as i opened a savings bank account to shove money there for a house to live alone

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-sad-face-broken-heart-gif-17974804086126007967

Be sure that I'm really happy for you my man, you've been grinding

[jolly sierra]

yes, way too much to do with my life

i just wanna go forward tbh

[wintry dew]

I totally feel you

One step at a time

[jolly sierra]

yes, one step at a time

[indigo hill]

I meant outlaw. Assa I see all the time.

[hidden moth]

dh "why u have 0 kidneys"
me "bc u cant resist mass dring everyone with ur shitty 2 second stun, im not using 5 cp on a 1 second stun"

[jolly sierra]

fkn dipshit

that happens a lot

[hidden moth]

then he was like "kidney is a 1 second stun???"

like yeah dude when u aoe stun everything and dr it

that and i was spreading some cheap shots when i could as well bc at least cheap isnt a waste of 5 cp

[verbal field]

some ppl dont get it it sucks

[hidden moth]

yeah its only a 2.1k lobby in blitz

i shouldnt expect much

and its piussing me off that i waited and am now stuck in shitter lobbies

its worse than the shit lobbies u had at 1200 trying to hit 1800 at the start of the season

does anyone use "diminish" its working for the target frame but cant get it to show on nameplates

[potent pivot]

personally i just use gladius for DRs

[jolly sierra]

"u are playing at high rating and u dont know what a DR is? clearly u just play w 2 buttons"

[hidden moth]

trueee

gladius doesnt work in bgb no?

i got it working, it wasnt showing dr on nameplates of pvp dummies but works live

[potent pivot]

battlegroundenemies does

but thats a pain for DRs

uhh

there was a WA for tracking DRs on nameplates

but its broken now i think

hang on

yeah i can't even find it now

i had to delete it because it was causing hundreds of errors

try one of these maybe:

https://wago.io/7Dx6xkd4k

https://wago.io/xhRKBcKzn

they're both kinda old so

might not work at all

[karmic summit]

the warriors that spam shockwaves arent helping

my mental at this point

[wintry dew]

Cold water to the face, literally reset your mental

[karmic summit]

i am like giga tilted so i am just not queueing today

maybe tomorrow

[jolly sierra]

ME WARRIOR

ME STUN PUNY HEALER

yes, leave it for tomorrow

keep playing at that mood is worse than not playing

[hidden moth]

i got it working with diminish

thx for the help

[hidden moth]

we 2200 mmr we goin UP

the rust is falling off

[jolly sierra]

c'mon C'MOOOON

[hidden moth]

WE ARE SO BACK

[gusty hedge]

this one been using for a min its good

[stoic spruce]

@wintry dew when did you turn green?

[wintry dew]

During 2024 summer kinda

[wintry dew]

#announcements message

[normal zealot]

hi, is there a recommended plugin for marking healer and other teammate with a big icon so i can see them better?

I think one of those here might do that, but i got no clue 😒

[stoic spruce]

I ain't reading all dat

[wintry dew]

You asked for a date, i gave it

[stoic spruce]

Okay I read it

[severe helm]

I do it with plater

I think betterblizzardplates has options for that

also there should be standalone addons for putting healer markers on teammates as well

[gleaming pawn]

Feels like forever ago

[hidden moth]

nvm

just lost bc im 1v3 on off carts

[gleaming pawn]

BetterBlizzPlates should do it, if you didn’t import a profile though there’s a lot to setup

[hidden moth]

in silvershard

but some how its my fault we lost

bc my team cant win a 7v5 on lava

[gleaming pawn]

It’s always the Rogue’s fault their team loses in Silvershard. Just like in AB. Because if you can’t solo cap a node against 2+ people then you just suck at Rogue /s

[wintry dew]

actually true lol

[winter seal]

Them sending two to each off cart and your team still losing a 6v4 on lava is classic

[gleaming pawn]

I gain more grey hairs for every Silvershard I’m in. People stop thinking and just throw the whole match for some reason. It’s incredible

[hidden moth]

this dk tryin to tell me how to play

XD

[gleaming pawn]

Wow that’s just a fundamental lack of knowledge of how the game works not just Rogue. And why is it always the DKs and DHs

[hidden moth]

this is a 2300+ dk btw

also 1v1 who wins assa rogue or feral? im gonna say feral wins that 1v1 99% of the time

[gleaming pawn]

If the assa can open and has veil talented? Probably 60/40 Rogue. But if the feral opens on you it’s going to be a bad time regardless

[hidden moth]

i qued into that dk next game on gilneas

ally spawn i go mines to ninja they got a bm and a ret there

i see whats up get out rush ww win ww

then as they repush ww 1v1 the hunter take mine we 3 cap and that fuckin dk was on the other team that got shit on XD

[gleaming pawn]

That’s karmic perfection, well done. Almost worth sending a smiley face to the DK after

[hidden moth]

send him a :3

bc we 3 capped

[stoic spruce]

I do that to people I keep running into in shuffle

Sometimes I send trash talk

Or <3

Which is worse tbh

[gleaming pawn]

Popo you need to fix the DK rot. It’s getting so bad

[stoic spruce]

I picked it back up dw

There's been too many bad dks in shuffle

I gotchu

[gleaming pawn]

[stoic spruce]

I got hit with a "I didn't know dks still had pet stun" last night

From a healer

[gleaming pawn]

Lol wut

[stoic spruce]

Yeah idk what's in the water

[gleaming pawn]

Pet stun was almost the sole reason I hated facing DKs on my healer. We need new good blood in pvp period

[stoic spruce]

Real

I loved the toxicity from last night. Everyone talking shit but I was in greens still winning because apparently cross CC is a figment of a DHs imagination

[stoic spruce]

The same dh

Not to self glaze ofc. I got my ass handed to me plenty by mage/hunter/feral lobbies

[gleaming pawn]

Oh glaze away sir. Rolling lobbies in greens because you’re just better is the perfect excuse

[hidden moth]

^

im excited for dh next season tbh

2p df s3 set is now a talent mmmmmmm

[verbal field]

what talent?

[hidden moth]

in s2

blade dance also throws glaive

and each slice has 50% chance to throw another that does 35% dam

[stoic spruce]

I will say

[hidden moth]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2031155-undermined-development-notes/

[stoic spruce]

After spamming chains of ice all night, I can confidently say outlaw has the best slow in the game assuming they're talented into cripple amp talent

[hidden moth]

cripple amp?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I forgot what it's called

But that on top of pistol shot slow is a lot better than chains of ice

[hidden moth]

is ur stuff dispellable though?

crip a poison so its dispellable

chains isnt

[stoic spruce]

But you instantly reapply it

And it's a global that deals damage

[hidden moth]

true

[jolly sierra]

isn't it just shiv?

[stoic spruce]

I thought so too until I tested it in df but nope

[outer sky]

I'm honestly reconsidering whether or not Nelf is actually good for assa rogue or not

Meld lets me stealth after it maybe 20% of the time

and thats being generous honestly

its probably more like 15%

over thousands of games

its very rare meld gives me stealth

so is it really good

or is it bait

[unique heath]

corrupt the blood keeps you in combat regardless of whether your in los or not

[winter seal]

Never rupture then

[stoic spruce]

Had a dh full on burst while I was feared and damn near killed me without breaking said fear

[hidden moth]

for me its 80% of the time i get a re from meld

[potent pivot]

no it doesn't. singlar focus does.

[unique heath]

ahh mb then, annoying regardless

[outer sky]

yeah I dont get that

This guy died so fast LOL

[normal zealot]

Thanks @severe helm, @gleaming pawn. I will take a look at the betterblizzplates although it seems insanely complicated, like i might need a phd in betterblizzplates tbf

[severe helm]

you need a better macro

for me its like 99%

[normal zealot]

I found the setting in betterblizzplates to edit the player marker, i didnt need a phd

[gleaming pawn]

You can use the Magnuz (I think, something like that) preloaded profile. I switched from Plater since I’m healing m+ now and that profile is pretty good outside the box. I made minor tweaks for my own preference but it will get you most of the way there

[normal zealot]

Tbh, im getting to a point were im really satisfied with my UI. It was just fixing those markers is a pain in the butt

And btw, while i did find the option in betterblizzplates to fix it. It appears im using the nameplates from ElvUI, so... i went and changed the settings there

I dont want to import something new and change everything again, its a been a trip

[potent pivot]

using 2 addons for nameplate functions can clash

[normal zealot]

oh, i have not noticed any issues tbh

Idk what betterblizzplates is doing other than nameplates

But im getting my nameplates from elvui

[normal zealot]

I just saw, Magnusz has a "prebuilt" profile in betterblizzplates already 😮

[potent pivot]

all plate addons have different types of debuff/etc tracking

you're also loading multiple addons that anchor onto plates which is kind of a waste of your PC's resources

[normal zealot]

Ah, i thought some other addon does that D-:

[normal zealot]

My pc is handling the resource usage pretty good with all my installed junk tbf

But ill keep this in mind, incase i notice any performance issues

[potent pivot]

elvui is one of the worst addons in the game for performance

uninstalling that shit will almost always result in gaining fps

this is betterblizzplates on it's own

[normal zealot]

But i dont need more than 200 fps tho

[normal zealot]

that looks interesting

Thats how mine looks rn, tbh the poisons and stuff look better in betterblizz

might try it will try it

[potent pivot]

Ye, both things work

Just don’t think you need BetterBlizzPlates if using elvui and vice versa

Elvui is just really bad at the beginning of seasons and is a much more pc intensive addon

[normal zealot]

So you would recommend not using it, thats what im hearing, right?

[potent pivot]

Might not be as noticeable in arena as compared to dungeons/raids idk

[normal zealot]

i dont do any pve other than lvling

[potent pivot]

That’s my personal opinion yeah, but you can still use it especially if it doesn’t hurt your performance in arenas

I just don’t see why you’d need BBP while using it

[normal zealot]

true true

It came "pre-installed" with skilledcap and their addon

so thats why its installed i thnk

[potent pivot]

Ye it does

[normal zealot]

So what addon are you then using for your keybinds and bars?

Like the whole layout thing for where to put each skill and consumables

[potent pivot]

I use bartender and masque to make my bars almost identical to Elv

Most people use default blizz bars these days

Because they are a lot better now than they were when elvui was popular

I’m just a ui aesthetics snob kinda

[harsh kiln]

Bartender

[potent pivot]

You can basically just plug in the skillcapped ui and be fine for 90% of your UI, especially if you got the paid version it’ll have all the profiles ported

[harsh kiln]

Layout wise ive tried to put defensive abilities together and offensive abilities together in groups on my bars. So its Easy for the brain and eyes to see the status of your cooldowns

[normal zealot]

yeah thats im doing as well

[potent pivot]

if you're used to elv and it doesn't cause you any issues, i wouldn't worry about it too much

though if you want to play week 1 of seasons i would def make sure you have BBP or other addons as a back up plan

[normal zealot]

I will try configuring my UI without elvui and see where i get to. I defo want to play week 1 of seasons

i like to get rekt

[severe helm]

same

[normal zealot]

<|:-E

[severe helm]

lil something like this

[normal zealot]

interdasting

[harsh kiln]

holy shit

[normal zealot]

I was using luxthos WA as well but i forget what my keybinds are so i need to look at my bar anyway ssometimes

[harsh kiln]

haha that's alot of clutter xD

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

I mean its not bad cuz I have no action bars

[potent pivot]

no omnibar?

[severe helm]

only kicks on my omnibar

[harsh kiln]

i mean if you're used to it all power to you

[severe helm]

everythign else is tracked on gladius

or via weak auras when people actually pop offensives

[normal zealot]

so you know your keybinds by heart o.o

[severe helm]

lol yes

got quite a few hours played

[normal zealot]

i forget what i click 60% of the time

[harsh kiln]

1 for ss and ambush, 2 for dispatch

[severe helm]

but yeah I need to update my gladius a lot of cds got reset and im only recently realizing as I started pushing

[potent pivot]

this is my UI

[severe helm]

Yeah I just dont really look at gladius cuz the order moves around too much

so its just kind of nonsense to my brain

so I like it on gladius so its underneath the relevant person

[potent pivot]

i never have THAT many omnibar icons

that's the full suite

[normal zealot]

Do you have other keybinds that are not on there?

[harsh kiln]

the thing i'm most proud of in my ui is the fact that i've removed the countless bars of buff/debuff icons underneath my target and focus frame

[potent pivot]

ye ignore the binds

[normal zealot]

wild

[potent pivot]

i've been moving shit around tn

[normal zealot]

then again, im pretty new. i got no muscle memory

[potent pivot]

been swapping back and forth from pve set up to pvp set up

trying to figure out a good way to swap between the two atm

[potent pivot]

wait you do both pve/pvp

what do you do when swapping between them as far as UI goes? curious

every addon profile manager i've tried is shit

[normal zealot]

Is there no way to copy bar1 settings in bartender to bar2? Like keybind size etc.?

[gusty hedge]

not sure, but theres and addon called myslot that copies ui/key bind

[potent pivot]

nah you just set each bar up manually

myslot is for copying addon profiles across characters, it won't help with the initial set up of bartender

[normal zealot]

max pain D-:>

[potent pivot]

it's pretty easy

[normal zealot]

It just takes time

im changing fonts and font sizes for everything D:

[potent pivot]

you can click back and forth between the bars to see whats different quickly

just went through and changed all mine for the hell of it

[normal zealot]

[verbal field]

what to macro badge with as sub?

[potent pivot]

if you macro it you still kinda need it on it's own bind

you can macro it to blades but i'd recommend keeping it on it's own bind in case you want to use it with a dance/symbols

[mellow pecan]

Can someone help me to make sense of this guys gear? :

https://drustvar.com/character/us/arathor/gbg

Why the low ilvl dagger? why in the mainhand?

might be a bug with the website?

[potent pivot]

they aren't low ilvl

all of his gear scales up to 639 in pvp

so the slot of his dagger doesn't matter

all of these sites are kinda dogshit at tracking gear because they are just Armory data scrapers and even the Armory is dog shit

[mellow pecan]

Ohh i see

i was confused since it says

"scales to 606 in pvp"

cheers mate :)

[stoic spruce]

Subscribe to my OnlyKicks please 👉👈🥺

[hybrid palm]

How does diminishing returns on cc work, and when does it reset?

Is there a way to know in advance if enemy has dr advantage

Instead of wasting kidney or cheap

[potent pivot]

there's two articles on how it works in the pins

[hybrid palm]

I see

[potent pivot]

you need addons

[hybrid palm]

Ok thanks will go through

[potent pivot]

to see DRs

[hybrid palm]

Ok

[hidden moth]

I’m using diminish to show drs on nameplates and target frames. In arena gladius shows dr as well

It’s been helpful tbh

[gleaming pawn]

I use AddonControlPanel (ACP) to quickly swap what addons I have loaded. Been using it since OG Cata. But if you mean managing different profiles within the addons themselves then I’ve got nothin

[potent pivot]

yes i tried using that one

but the profile drop down at the bottom was so trash

it kept fucking up the profiles

[gleaming pawn]

Huh weird. The only problem I can think of is all of the empty profiles that always display but I just swap between my two at the top

Though come to think of it, I did go through at one point in DF and manipulated the configuration file

[potent pivot]

i tried using it a couple days ago and every time i tried to save a profile it would either leave some stuff on and wouldn't let me 'unlock' them, or it would just ignore my new save. it was odd, maybe i'll give it another shot

[severe helm]

only thing I change is threatplates to plater

plater has more customizable scripts and stuff so I can track seasonally specific mobs/casts for color coding and shit

[potent pivot]

ye i use plater in pve

but i also swap out my weakaurs

and a couple other addons

[severe helm]

Yeah I add in like bigwigs and shit

[potent pivot]

i might try making my pve WAs only load in dungeon/raid

there's a condition for that iirc

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah there is. There’s a ton of new filtering in WA these days

[potent pivot]

other issue is i use SUF and a different UI layout in each content

i'm just trying to make it so that i have the least possible amount of clicks and annoying shit to do when i swap between content

[severe helm]

honestly im about to delete my unit frames in pvp

I just dont use them at all

they just take up space haha

I just stare at nameplates and gladius/raid frames

I even look at raid frames for my own hp not even my unit frame

[potent pivot]

your party frames?

[severe helm]

yeah party/raid frames

[potent pivot]

i like knowing what CDs my healer has at least

[severe helm]

Yeah

Im saying im gona delete my unit frame

this

[potent pivot]

oh your player frame

[severe helm]

and this

these are unit frames afaik

[potent pivot]

i watch a lot of my debuffs there

[severe helm]

oh wild

[gleaming pawn]

I still use my player frame for my health, but yeah I almost always am watching nameplates for my target

[severe helm]

I filter debuffs so I only see relevant ones and I use nameplates for that

[potent pivot]

i watch the debuffs i apply to enemies on nameplates

[severe helm]

thats crazy

[potent pivot]

how lol

[severe helm]

well theres no addon managing them and theyre tiny

and have a million junk debuffs

[potent pivot]

huh

[severe helm]

like wtf is this

[potent pivot]

we are misunderstanding each other

that isn't a nameplate

thats an enemy unit frame

[severe helm]

oh I thought you said unit frames

[potent pivot]

i watch my player frame

oh i see where the mix up is

[severe helm]

ooooh you move debuffs to player frames

using suf?

cuz by default they dont have debuff

s

[potent pivot]

nah

i watch my bleeds

on nameplates

then

on enemy unit frame

i watch their buffs

i misspoke mb

[severe helm]

ah gotcha

[potent pivot]

betterblizzframes

[severe helm]

yeah I dont like unit frames for buffs

[potent pivot]

filters the buffs/debuffs

btw

[severe helm]

oh on unit frames? or on nameplates

[potent pivot]

you can whitelist/blacklist anything you want

on unit frames and on default buff/debuff bars

you can also like

[severe helm]

ooooh nice thats useful

[potent pivot]

shift+right click them

to blacklist

idr the keybind

i have a lot of customization put into my betterblizzframes/betterblizzplates

[jaunty osprey]

Is there any way to make target frames not show the invulnerable to kick thing when evokers cast their charged abilities

like fire breath and other stuff, i just want the look of the normal cast bar

[potent pivot]

if you want it to look like a default blizzard cast bar i'm not sure

i know you can use a WA cast bar for pretty much anything, but it would be completely different

i'm sure if you used plater you could probably figure out a setting for it

but for default or betterblizzplates no idea

[jaunty osprey]

hmm okay

do any of you guys have a good omnibar that hooks to gladius for enemy CDs?

I’ve tried using the sweepyboop addon, but using it with better blizz plates bugs out nameplate castbars

[potent pivot]

have you tried gladiusEX?

i think kalv uses it

my omnibar is just center screen and on top of player/target frames

[jaunty osprey]

Does GladiusEX look exactly the same?

[potent pivot]

mostly the same yeah

iirc it has basically all the same settings as gladius for customizing size/cast bars/positioning of icons etc

[hybrid palm]

is the queue time a lie in solo shuffle ?

[potent pivot]

its an estimate of the average wait time

sometimes it pops early, sometimes late

[severe helm]

it has cds

I dont think gladius does right?

thats why I switched to gladiusex in the first place

[severe helm]

problem with that is how would it know which class its next to

so your omnibar would just have all enemy cds

instead of cds specific to arena1/2/3

tbh I think gladiusex is just superior in almost every way to gladius

but people are used to gladius

[jaunty osprey]

Can I import my current gladius profile or do I gotta customize EX manually to look like it

[jaunty osprey]

Nah there are a couple or profiles out there that are set up for arena1-3 and it works great

[potent pivot]

honestly no idea, i used it for like a day or two and swapped back but it was a long time ago now

[severe helm]

using what addon?

can omnibar detect arena1,2,3?

[potent pivot]

it might be able to but i've never tried

[severe helm]

Yeah gladiusex just solves all this imo haha

[potent pivot]

not replying to you mewo

sorry

[severe helm]

oh

[potent pivot]

i should've made it a bit more apparent mb

[severe helm]

dont think you can import gladius to gladiusex yeah

theyre like totally different addons afaik

[potent pivot]

word

i just assumed the EX version was built off the same framework on the OG version

[severe helm]

I think it was forked from a while back

it might work now but I rmeember I tried this myself cuz I use to use gladius as well

in shadowlands

[potent pivot]

gotcha

also not sure if omnibar has a1/2/3 anchors

[severe helm]

for a while I would use gladius AND gladiusex and just turn off everything except the cds in gladiusex lol

[potent pivot]

i've used the same omnibar profile for a while and i typically just import someone else's and make a couple changes

[severe helm]

yeah omnibar is just a little too disorganized for me so I pretty much only use it for kicks

or for really class specific stuff like fade/death when im playing mage/hunter

[normal zealot]

kinda stupid how long pvp queues are as dps lol

[hidden moth]

it makes sense most people want to play dps in pvp

means less healers quing

also healing u have alot more to watch out for than dps do tbh

so its a higher skill floor as well. so most stay away from healer meaning less heals means less active games means longer wait time

[normal zealot]

yeah i understand that whole aspect

but still

sadge

[severe helm]

its very unfortunate yeah

[severe helm]

yeah they need to correctly inflate healer mmr/cr to reflect that

I'd say up until about 2.6/2.7, the healers are by far the best players in the match

[normal zealot]

i recently started playing hpal just to get a perspective on how healers play, its for sure way more difficult than any dps

cant imagine the dedication required to reach top ranks as a healer

[hidden moth]

made me sujicidal but i love playiong disc

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ve always thought a decent proposal would be a small increase in mmr if you 3-3 and maybe you can earn tokens passed a certain rating to buy old elite sets

And just call it “replica set” etc

[hybrid palm]

wow pvp has win trading ?

[jolly sierra]

yes

in shuffle

[hybrid palm]

and why doesnt blizzard stop it ?

[jolly sierra]

they bans

but is not a topic

[hybrid palm]

based on what ?

[potent pivot]

its in every bracket really, but more prevelant in solo queue

[jolly sierra]

based in past bans maybe?

[hybrid palm]

as in how do they track

[jolly sierra]

they gets reported

[hybrid palm]

because im pretty sure ive been in 2 back to back win traded games

[potent pivot]

there's metrics they can check

[hybrid palm]

where i went 0 -6

[potent pivot]

but typically the most bans happen after the season has ended

[jolly sierra]

they doesn't bans insta

xd

[potent pivot]

and it's mostly the higher rated traders that get banned

the ppl who did it the most etc

[hybrid palm]

and pve druid healer who i went on , always protected when my enemy, and never went on when friend

[jolly sierra]

this is not club penguin dude, bans aren't THAT fast

[hybrid palm]

i see

ok

so just live with it kind of thing

[potent pivot]

if you think someone is win trading just report