pvp

[digital rock]

right

[severe helm]

but yeah AB is one of the hardest maps imo as a solo queue outlaw blitzer

Just have to do a good job of watching your map and being where your team cant be

timers/map is the big thing

never give bases for free

[digital rock]

idk if this is phrased in any type of understandable way but, whenyoure rushing ww as alliance gilneas... how many grapples do you use to get from the bridge to the base. like should it be 2 grapples to the bridge, 1 grapple over the bridge and hten 1 grapple to the flag or is there a way to cross the water AND the fence to the flag in 1 grapple

[severe helm]

from alliance side I go behind the waterwheel

so from the little bridge I do two

then 1 to get across

then 1 to get right on top of the flag

[digital rock]

gotcha

behind meaning like

to the right

as alliance

of the water wheel

[severe helm]

ill dm you a video

[digital rock]

tyvm

[pallid onyx]

bro what the hell

i've been waiting on queue for 30+ minutes

on friday gawd dayum

[indigo hill]

Requeu.

[severe helm]

are you EU?

[mystic pasture]

Is there a bomb cap macro?

[severe helm]

/cast smoke bomb
/cast cloak of shadows

then right click lol

[pallid onyx]

yes

[indigo hill]

Which is performing better in blitz atm DH or Fwar?

[severe helm]

DH prob

DH is more popular on EU

its close though

[indigo hill]

Was thinking of playing something a bit more braindead. Just not sure which if the two is these days.

[pallid onyx]

DH is just

too much man

warrior is killable

i think DH is TOO MUCH literally

[candid tide]

hows q nowadays?

[pallid onyx]

i waited double 20 minutes, cancelling every 20

sometimes waiting even double 20 x1 10 or triple 20

so up to 40 min

[hidden dome]

New character, new rating assassins in my games

[pallid onyx]

man i fear blitz iz really gonna get you

blitz doing mental damage

[hidden dome]

It actually is

[pallid onyx]

like I fear for you my brother geniunely stop blitzing

join us on ss XD

blitz mental check is heavy

[hidden dome]

Don't worry this guy is wrecking SS games too

haha

But yeah, I should just play SS tbh

to be honest, Blitz wasn't that bad at the start or the middle of the season

but end season blitz is pure pain

[candid tide]

gotcha, k think ima main healer with the comeback

[severe helm]

Prob want fury then

Dh you gotta do more stuff on the map to win

Fury just runs death wish and fucks people up

[grave pier]

Could someoen give me some general guidance on outlaw

for 3's especially

i play with a pally ret and i usually try get trink of healer

then we kid/hoj

[severe helm]

prob with that comp youre gona play for pressure and damp

you have a ton of defensive utility and both of you are very tanky

[grave pier]

i play with disc priest too

but we just are getting stomped against ranged or

DK's

[severe helm]

Yeah caster cleaves are gona hurt you pretty bad

outlaw is just a really shitty warrior in this case

best thing you can do is try to do cross cc well and keep the pressure up

[grave pier]

i feel like i am using my vanishes too much at the start

do i gotta time the vanish for the goes?

[severe helm]

I usually do one vanish at the start after my opener to keep pressure

but tbh youre prob gona get cced on it

so its often a waste you can hold it for a little bit

but you should always have one vanish ready for whne stun drs reset

if you dont then youre gona lose momentum pretty quickly

if youre playing well vanish is like a 25-30s cd so usually you can keep up with the dr cadence

[grave pier]

hmm

yh i open first by popping blade furry > adrenaline rush >RTB > Stealth

then try get a sap/kidney on healer

and pally does hoj on kill target

[severe helm]

You can do the adr and rtb in stealth just make sure you don't have someone targeted or it'll knock you out

[grave pier]

ahh ok

any other tips Mewo?

we're around 1.4 currently 😦

i only play 2's, and we're 1.8 on tht

i feel like i am trolling sometimes by using my stealth to cheap shot people

[safe pelican]

This lmao catching up from early i know im late but this shit grinds my gears the cope is insane with this one just goes to show how humans never want to take accountability for their own actions gotta find a scapegoat every time

[safe pelican]

Toon name checks out I approve solider

[grave pier]

Can someone

pelease

explain to me

which totems

do i kill

Please for the love of god i am genuienly so lost

[potent pivot]

if you get betterblizzplates and use one of the pre installed profiles, they will be marked for you

like the important ones will be emphasized by the addon

[grave pier]

for PvP too?

[potent pivot]

ya

it's an addon made for pvp

[safe pelican]

Shit i didn’t even know that , i know grounding, spirit link ,tremor and healing tide or whatever it’s called

[potent pivot]

ya the addon can be set up to emphasize only the ones you need to kill

[grave pier]

best profile?

[potent pivot]

and ignores the unimportant ones

[safe pelican]

Just pop blade flurry on them hoes make life easy but Mewo would say this is a terrible idea lol

[potent pivot]

i think Magusz profile should have totem presets

[grave pier]

thanks man

[potent pivot]

i started with his profile and then added my own customizations on top to make it better for rogue/feral/whatever i play

[grave pier]

can i not import ur profile?

[potent pivot]

idk

[safe pelican]

BBP doing the wow gods work single handedly

[indigo hill]

Does blade flurry actually hit those totems?

[potent pivot]

i think so but never tried

[potent pivot]

most things you have to actively target to kill

[safe pelican]

Tbh looking around on google it might not work on totems but i always pop it and i feel like im doing something

Someone test that out rq lol not home rn

That would be stupid if an AOE move doesn’t hit totems but hits players

Blizz devs doing what they do best if not

[grave pier]

Do I run Smoke bomb in this setup for 3's? Pally Ret, Disc Priest Outlaw?

What is easier to kill

arms or ret?

[severe helm]

prob just focus on the basic stuff, dont overlap cds, dont reset drs, try not to hit into defensives if their healer is out of cc, etc

[severe helm]

preference

I run bomb if I think we are gona kill in a stun

but if youre cross ccing every time you stun anyway

then bomb relaly doesnt do much

I will drop bomb for "turn the tables"

into things that stun a lot

[grave pier]

so i see this and i just know im about to get destroyed

[pallid onyx]

hi guys

i just cooked spaghetti

gonna play some ss

let's get that elite set

[grave pier]

any good

outlaw Weakauras

for RTB?

or anything else?

[potent pivot]

ya

either search on wago.io or type !wa in #outlaw

[hidden dome]

How can it be that half my characters are stuck at 1.8 mmv and the other half are closer to 3k mmv

blitz is strange

[upbeat bear]

Blitz is just a fake bracket man

[hidden dome]

It is

but it gives real rewards (elite sets)

which is all I play it for

[upbeat bear]

Yeh and sadly it gives rbg titles

[hidden dome]

that too

and the old pvp sets too

[upbeat bear]

With 100 wins and 400 losses 2500 cr 😅

Yeh

[hidden dome]

Yeah, I same some guys with 40% winrate at 2.4 cr

[upbeat bear]

Xd

[hidden dome]

In no universe should that be possible

[upbeat bear]

Hes gonns be like 2400 exp player lf 3s/2s and hes 1674 in arena

[hidden dome]

He will still write "mult glad xp" in the title of his groups like everyone else who hit elite once

I do enjoy destro lock in Blitz. People just let you free cast for some reason

this is so funny

Blizzard be like "yeah that guy with 1.5 is perfect for this 2.79 lobby"

Because after 14 games I 100% know how to play lock at that elo...

[potent pivot]

I swear shuffle is way easier sets man

Ik you prefer blitz

[hidden dome]

destro is fun in blitz. You can just nuke guys

[potent pivot]

But with shuffle you can get set in a few hours

[upbeat bear]

Shuff is super fast yeh

[potent pivot]

Just depends how good you are/what kinda matches you get

[upbeat bear]

Faster games, faster q

Easier to carry 2 then fkn 7

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t want to shuff on a caster either though ngl

But I’ve rarely ever played casters

[hidden dome]

Will I hit 3k MMV before my winstreak breaks?

[safe pelican]

My win rate is shit for blitz but it’s because i never played a single bg to win until TWW

Never knew what a sap cap was until this season lol and then learning how to spin bases was a shit show then i had to learn how to play flag battle

All while playing with other shitters

Good times

Lmao i didn’t even have BGE until i had like 100 games played was just going commando 🤣

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo me af next season

[hidden dome]

I still don't have this, because it doesn't work for me for some reason

and I'm honestly too lazy to figure out why

[mystic pasture]

playing warlock in SS never felt great to me

far more fun to have some space to lob chaos bolts at people

[hidden dome]

One for the history books

[safe pelican]

Algorithm doing you good justice tonight love to see it

[pallid onyx]

@potent pivot hey man

thanks again

just hit 1800

[potent pivot]

Gz

[terse thicket]

Is it worth to turn conquest items in gear of the set?

Should I do it?

[potent pivot]

Depends on spec

But if you want to use the tier set then yes, you kinda have to lol

[terse thicket]

As assassin

[potent pivot]

then you kinda want 4 piece

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/solo#gear

^you can see what 4 pieces most people convert into tier there

[terse thicket]

Hmm, I see, theres no need for the entire set, as I would lose vers

[potent pivot]

wdym entire set

[pallid onyx]

no you don't

you are getting the said pieces because you need the set bonus

the set bonus gives you a buff basically makes you deal more damage

[terse thicket]

Thks, gonna see If I can figure it out by my own, and then check to see If I got ir correct

[pallid onyx]

you don't need +1 extra piece

because there are no 5 piece set bonuses

4 piece max you can get a bonus

[terse thicket]

And as I can see, transform my gear is better then buying at the NPC]

[pallid onyx]

because it has set bonuses 😄

[potent pivot]

i don't get what you mean

what npc

you buy conquest piece then convert it into the tier set at the Catalyst

you also get a token for reaching 1.6k rating, which you can use to buy 1 free tier piece

[pallid onyx]

yes

[pallid onyx]

my transmog is complete

i can sleep tight

btw i don't know about the rest of the set but this might be the best headpiece i've ever seen

[waxen meteor]

Done with all alt in solo, next alt

Which class guys

[digital rock]

what the actual fuck is void leech and why is it coming from my teammates taking me out of stealth

that is insane

[severe helm]

Hahahahaha

It's a priest passive from their hero talents

It steals HP from allies if they have more HP than you I think

[safe pelican]

That is dog shit lol you get knocked out of stealth for that? Phenomenal

[severe helm]

It's one of many things lol

[inner tartan]

dose the mw unision talent still nock rogues out of stealth

[outer sky]

One of those nights again

[inner tartan]

i was almost at 2k dced and now im 1600

[outer sky]

Literally down 200 rating playing with the same people I won 18/20 games with last night up to 2500cr and 2650mmr

played 31 games

won 8

wtf

[inner tartan]

it friday

all da big players are on

dunno just quessing

[indigo hill]

I think friday/Saturday are the worst days to play. I usually gain most rating Sunday to tuesday

[inner tartan]

i play the most on the weekend on my rogue weekday i normal play healers on random alts but ya

[candid tide]

Which healer is the bis atm?

[inner tartan]

holy pally and mw i think are realy good i think disc is always good but i dunno

[candid tide]

ai lets have a look

[gusty hedge]

[gusty hedge]

oh wow. so u can be hella negative and still pass 2.4 lol tf
im over here trying to keep it positive. doesnt seem like it matters
Shit guess its time to push 2.1 Ss/BGB this weekend

[safe pelican]

Win the next game after a DC you will get all the rating back and sum but you have to log right back in and play after the debuff is gone

If you lose you’re cooked

[safe pelican]

Yea cause when you streak 3+ you get the 24+’s rating games

100 wins and 400 losses sounds like cap though lol that’s 25% no way lmao

[indigo hill]

High mmr helps. Lost 5 games yesterday and lost 7 rating in total.

[pallid onyx]

Or, enemy MMR was so high losing to them didn't matter

Since game already expected you to lose it

[karmic summit]

hello me and my friend is going push some blitz to 2.4k any tips on which spec is the best for blits?

[potent pivot]

if you want to get technical sub, but rogue in general is one of the strongest classes in the game for blitz

i wouldn't worry about spec much

[karmic summit]

i checked murlok io and saw sub high

was suprised

[potent pivot]

yeh

not really going to matter for 2.4k tbf

[candid tide]

think if break it down in details

assa is better for team fighting

sub is better for capping base

[potent pivot]

basically all 3 specs are at the same rating

[candid tide]

outlaw is flag capture god

[potent pivot]

there's just 3 sub rogues that broke past 3.5

[karmic summit]

i mean my healer is a friend so might just go assa aoe dot and get pocket healed to 2.4k

[candid tide]

assa silence aoe is deadly in teamfights

[karmic summit]

i just want the tabard atm soloq waiting is boring

[safe pelican]

Yes if your playing high MMR 3+ you usually have to lose 3-4 games in a row before you start losing rating it’s usually 3 but sometime you get lucky they’ll let you lose 4 straight no rating loss lol

Outlaw is good at fc in lower MMR games once you get up there that’s over with lol if the enemy team has any common sense

If there’s not an enemy rogue on the other team to smoke you in a kidney then yes you can feint lord the flag with a good healer

[candid tide]

hell it is

[indigo hill]

Had my rating at 2k and my mmr just over 2,4k. I could afford to lose a few times.

[gusty hedge]

i tanked my Mmr start Been awhile since i actually did arena/Ss (trying) first game was cool 4-2 2.3 -4kkmmr 2.2k cr teams., after that i went 2-4 for next 3 ques then a 1-5 like twice , healers died instantly fury war lobbies back toback ret feral 😭 i wasnt doing too well my set ups were trash haha i died once but i should've contributed to the team more than I was. i started to get the feel back and went 5-1 twice then took a break at that point i was 1.9k Mmr (Made sense that, thats were i should be at) 66 rounds 34-32 that last round gave me like 90 points for Win

[karmic summit]

how do we cap as ssub

[candid tide]

cap what?

[karmic summit]

the flags

[candid tide]

which map?

[karmic summit]

lets say AB

[candid tide]

u just click on the base

[iron viper]

Is that true? Would of thought it'd be the best time because of the pool of players would be bigger/ more "casual" players have more time to play

[digital rock]

wait so allied shadow priests can accidentaly take me out of stealth???

i gotta start social distancing with these mfs omg

that is insane

does allied void leech interrupt capping as well, anyone know?

[indigo hill]

My experience those 2 days are the worst. You also get allot more inexperienced players on their time off

[pallid onyx]

What do you guys think about spec balance?

In shuffle

Outlaw seems to be a pocket fury warrior, assa has a nice cleave when played right its strong with few defensives, but i have no idea about sub

In this case I think cleave in arena is meta, I am not sure if sub has cleave. The classes have good tankiness overall and it is hard to kill someone in the opener if you dont play %100 correct with your teammates

[jaunty osprey]

I think spec balance is fine in general

People need to stop wanting all specs to play the same

[hidden dome]

1.8 with still almost 400 conquest away from the weapon

[jaunty osprey]

People want every class to have every utility and toolkit in the game

[hidden dome]

4 more classes to go and I've gotten 1.8 with every class in blitz

[jaunty osprey]

They need to up the conquest gain in Blitz

[candid tide]

yeah i hate it like that

[jaunty osprey]

it’s disgusting how low it is compared to Shuffle/Arenas

[hidden dome]

It's alright. I usually just get 4 set + whatever 3-4 conquest boxes get me

[candid tide]

but without utility for every class its not balanceable

[hidden dome]

that is enough for 1.8

[jaunty osprey]

Wrong, each class and spec has their own niche

[candid tide]

they do but they have alot of similarities nowdays

[jaunty osprey]

People in this discord keep thinking that Sub Rogue is so trash and bad in arena. Ask any high rated 3s player in NA and they’ll tell you how broken it is if the right person plays it

[candid tide]

think every class has a version of kidney shot or some

[jaunty osprey]

Ya, you’re right

Agreed how similar everyone wants every class to be and how similar their toolkits are

But classes don’t need to be the same for it to be balanced

[candid tide]

thats the dream

[jaunty osprey]

Giving Evokers spammable Sleep Walk next tier is crazy

[hidden dome]

the classic warlock pvp set looks nice

[jaunty osprey]

Fear/Poly/Clone/Rep/Hex

You get kicked on those

You can’t recast

Evoker gets kicked on Sleep, they can cast 2 other schools

[candid tide]

every class should have a special thing of its own and still works out in pvp in a balanced way

but stun is king in pvp so yeah

[hollow carbon]

That’s basically the same for warlock and mage 🤔

[jaunty osprey]

Ok ya shouldn’t have put fear/poly there

ok but

Rep hex cyclone

for healers

spammable CC, they get kicked, they get punished

[hollow carbon]

Pres Evoker also gets punished I think, no green spells at least. Rsham can still prim wave and unleash life iirc. But yeah it is a buff to evokers.

[digital rock]

is there any merit to float like a butterfly

i feel like im stunning for control pretty often but maybe the % is more than i anticipate

[hollow niche]

Sub viable in shuffle?

[karmic summit]

it is but its really bad to climb

most people dont care much about stun drs in lower rating

its frustrating

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea an insane rogue man. Idk how you do so much dmg, but it’s inspiring

[jaunty osprey]

😮

Wait wot, did I face you recently?

[gleaming sentinel]

Nah, I saw you on a stream lol

We’re in different ball parks my friend haha

[severe helm]

Warlocks have a lot of schools now

They dgaf about getting kicked on fear

Also mage is mostly frost

Honestly multiple schools has gotten a little out of hand

[severe helm]

Sub to me is always insanely broken and op and I hate it lol

The way it wins the game just feels so fucking cheese every time

You pre every single go and 4 minutes later they finally get one setup and you insta die

[safe pelican]

Shadow Blades go brrrrrrrr

Pally is broken rn idc what yall say they have 500 oh shit buttons

Balanced my ass

[jaunty osprey]

Ahhh :p

[candid tide]

anybody playing in EU?

[safe pelican]

lol how tf is sfury almost 4k CR

I want to watch him more but bro has no game audio lol whyyyy does he do this

[severe helm]

Pala is annoying yeah

They have reactive CDs which are really easy to use

Compared to proactive CDs

[safe pelican]

Exactly !

You know what I’m saying don’t gotta say too much lol

[indigo hill]

How do people gear up at the moment cause random bg is no longer an option with the infestation of premades.

[severe helm]

tbh I just gear using my other characters

send honor over

boxes

etc

[indigo hill]

I wasn't very lucky with the boxes. 😭

Think I'll just grab some wpv stuff and see how far I get.

[safe pelican]

Yea i send gear over and play epic bgs

[severe helm]

I hate epic bgs haha

so slooooow

I just do the daily stuff

so like a skirm win/bg win/etc

[safe pelican]

Yea they are sloooooowwwww af BUT if you win you bank crazy but if you lose you wasted hella time i won’t lie lmao

[jaunty osprey]

Avidance is too good

[safe pelican]

Hell yea he is i enjoy watching him play to get better but he’s playing spirest rn

[indigo hill]

People stopped running that citrine ring after the hotfix, right?

[severe helm]

Yeah

[indigo hill]

I have come to the conclusion that Friday and Saturday are the worst days to do Blitz.

[safe pelican]

I like Sundays & Monday’s

Saturday for blitz is a coin toss

Never really cared about the day though gunna play if i wanna play just gotta boss up and carry the team brother

[candid tide]

wth

ive reloaded 10x my keybindigns

and still it gets resetted

[indigo hill]

I did. Capped 3 bases in the gilnean one and they kept losing it.

[languid ravine]

-most first places
-most points
-most kills
-most rezzes
+SECOND PLACE
blizz tournament format lmao you cant make this shit up

[gleaming sentinel]

actually couldnt have been a lamer way to end that tourney

[bleak dagger]

Feel like unless you q degen hours blitz games are unwinnable or free .
Nothing in between, some are free for outlaw tho gilneas or eots

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea it’s the same 20-30people or so at 3am Qing against each other

[severe helm]

yeah ngl that was so so so fucking lame

[severe helm]

that only really matters above like 3k

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea I’m not entirely sure why they even kept track of points tbh

[severe helm]

You hav eto be in top 8 at the end to be eligible for 1st I think

[gusty hedge]

close

[stoic spruce]

It's literally right there

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

Are you changing them while in queue?

[candid tide]

both

[potent pivot]

If so, that’s why they’re getting reset usually

[candid tide]

logged out now hope it stay solid tommorow

[inner tartan]

ahh dw it on my meme monk idc my rating jump like rocket cuz i just dont care i want conquest honnor and games

[waxen meteor]

we know when s1 will close yet?

[potent pivot]

nop

[waxen meteor]

[potent pivot]

Ye they still haven’t announced anything yet

The assumptions that it’ll be mid Feb are starting to look

[outer sky]

I've been banking on late feb

[potent pivot]

Same

Just going off of the PTR dungeon and raid testing

End on Feb was like the earliest it could possibly be

[hazy monolith]

they dont even have full gear available

on ptr

[potent pivot]

idk if they're planning to put full gear on it at all at this point

your gear scales up to the proper s2 end game ilvl when you queue content on PTR

the only gear they added is cantrip items (items with secondary effects) to have them tested

[jaunty osprey]

[tropic zinc]

Whos got the feint tracker weak aura?

[indigo hill]

They got this one on Wagio. Don't know if its exactly what you're looking for, https://wago.io/-Q6lDHfzM

[candid tide]

for urself or enemy

[hazy monolith]

idk how im supposed to test, no arena pvp even pops

so my argumentation is give us atleast full pvp gear to check dummy

[stoic spruce]

But it scales up like pvp gear does

[potent pivot]

you can just use your current pvp gear

testing on dummies is kinda unreliable for numbers either way so it shouldn't matter too much

not sure if the gear scales up to s2 ilvl in duels

i would assume not

[indigo hill]

Anyone else having Killing spree dc you when used in a hallway like WSG tunnel? And why Ghostly Strike doesnt always work ?

[potent pivot]

ghostly strike costs energy

[indigo hill]

I know but i have energy and the player is right infront of me and it just doesnt always pop

Maybe it's a delay or something.

My target also randomly switches to like pets when I don't even tab.

Maybe i need to reset my settings and redo. 🤷‍♂️

[potent pivot]

are you using any odd macros or targeting settings?

[indigo hill]

Not that i know off. Only macros i use are Blind mouseover and grappling hook.

[potent pivot]

thats odd, dunno

[spring bough]

a wild popo appeared

[stoic spruce]

yeah

spec not fun yet tho

so /vanish

[spring bough]

why is KIR trickster actually good

smoking people today

bro i just did something so nasty thisi clip is insane lol

6-0'd the lobby. last 3 rounds i killed the MW each round. this was the craziest one LOL

KIR trick >>>>

[gusty hedge]

killing spree been randomly d/c me for years surprisingly Blizzard has yet to fix that issue. usually when i try to move during ks or press strafe left or right(in my case A & D keys or if im holding shift and hitting any of the surrounding keys) half the time try to quickly log back in but wont let me and id have to exite bnet app and wow then re open for it to work

[gusty hedge]

this has also been happening to me alot lately, im randomly targeting pets . this happens with locks and hunts ( i know hunters can drop and swap but it happens a lot too frequently)

[indigo hill]

Yeah its weird and annoying when you're about to burst and then the target auto switches.

Also anyone got another option for Blizzplates cause that addon is way to over the top?

[potent pivot]

have you tried customizing it at all?

it's pretty much the easiest to use/most lightweight plate addon afaik

[indigo hill]

Its a mess in that addon. Makes no sense to me. I tried to get my combo points to show under the enemy healthbar but cant find the option for it.

[potent pivot]

[indigo hill]

I just want a simple addon that doesn't require a PHD in Computerfuckery. 😭

[potent pivot]

its super easy imo idk

even has a search bar

[indigo hill]

Can you tell me where to find the option to set my combo points under? I used the search bar and type combo and i got nothing.

[potent pivot]

you might just not be able to

wait

[potent pivot]

lol

[potent pivot]

you might need to turn on personal resource display so you can turn on 'show special resources on target', then turn off the personal resource display

it's also the first thing in the BBP settings if you search 'combo'

[indigo hill]

I got all off that.

[potent pivot]

but it's showing your points on top?

did you try loading Magnusz profile

[indigo hill]

Just did. Same still on top.

[potent pivot]

idk, i started with Magnusz' profile and customized it. never touched that setting

[indigo hill]

Got that as well. Still shows on top

[potent pivot]

that doesn't really make sense

there's all my cvar force settings

[indigo hill]

Yeah i got the same ones.

[potent pivot]

you don't have the disable all at the bottom right turned on?

either some setting or some addon is conflicting with it

[indigo hill]

I reset my full interface and deleted all addons. Ill just start from scratch.

[potent pivot]

want to try importing my profile?

just to see if that works

try copy/pasting that string into a full profile import

if that doesn't work i feel like it'd have to be another addon conflicting with it or something

[indigo hill]

It's possible. I'll try that one later. Ty

[potent pivot]

np

[wanton breach]

wtf is that weird ass crosshair over the monk

[potent pivot]

its part of that targeting addon

[indigo hill]

Weizpvp?

[potent pivot]

i think it's TopTarget

there's a couple different types of the same thing

[jolly sierra]

funny addon

[stoic spruce]

Reminds me of that little Aztec temple in Donkey Kong 64

You reach the end of the temple, play the mini game to get the banana, and then a crosshair comes on the screen and a countdown starts.

[pallid onyx]

guys, can anyone using GladiusEX here tell me how to change trinket icon size

my dumbass can't find it lol

[spring bough]

Top target

[pallid onyx]

Is my UI clean enough / tracks important info? (full omnibar for reference)

[stoic spruce]

Frip

[candid tide]

imo no

[potent pivot]

i mean it looks like it's tracking most things

[candid tide]

but mines not super clean either in pro standards

[potent pivot]

clean isn't exactly what i'd call it, imo

you really don't need THAT many things being tracked by omnibar

especially if you're using gladiusEX on top of that as well

[pallid onyx]

it'!s a refference

for you to see it's position

[tropic zinc]

thats exactly it, ty

[severe helm]

is this always there???

or is that just test mode

cuz thast WAY too much rofl

im hoping those only pop up when the cd is used?

[pallid onyx]

like I said, it is therre for reference

there*

it's not always there and it doesn't show these icons constantly

it is there in the screenshot to show a reference where it would be and approximately how it would look

[severe helm]

gotcha

I think you could probably rearrange your action bars so theres not so much wasted space and its not all crammed at the bottom

[tight sand]

Is everyone running wound poison or deadly poison in SS? Or just dependent on if there's a class with MS on your team ?

[wintry dew]

wound 99% of the time

deadly dmg isnt really that high but @potent pivot can explain this better

[tight sand]

But if no disarm is needed, run hemo toxin and deadly ?

[dreamy mason]

What ability do you wanna priorites using after have Supercharged with Shiv (as Assa)?

[severe helm]

wound always p much

[severe helm]

still wound

deadly really just isnt that good in pvp

[lone goblet]

Do most people play Kingsbane for shuffle? I was seeing a few people on murlok running AP and Carnage instead.

[inner tartan]

so we won but tf is this burst holy shit

[hollow stratus]

anyone that can tell me how to get vicious saddle

or how long itl take

[tulip burrow]

after you get the seasons vicious mount you just refill the bar for the saddle

[hollow stratus]

oh god

[hollow stratus]

is it possible to make that fast

[tulip burrow]

it's a long grind

RBG used to give 2.5 percent per win after reaching 1000 rating dont know what blitz gives

[hollow stratus]

[indigo hill]

Blitz gives 2. The starting point is a bit random. My first vicious mount the bar started at 97%. The second one at 16%.

[hollow stratus]

i dont understand

so there is no shortcut i guess

[indigo hill]

Nope.

Fill the bar in blitz and/soloshuffle 2 times.

[inner tartan]

i do it in 2s i think it fast but i pvp to much and have liek 8 vicious warsadles i cant use so i dunno

[indigo hill]

Pvping allot helps. My time is pretty limited so 1 saddle per 2 seasons is my limit.

[hollow stratus]

i just want that raptor to finish my mog

[indigo hill]

I have that one. Imo the best looking pvp mount. I grinded like crazy for that one. No experience whats so ever in pvp. Did a ton of 2v2 and rbg. I died so much.😂

[vocal surge]

The starting point isn't random

it carries over from previous seasons

The one that starts from 0 is the current season mount if I recall

[inner tartan]

YES

sry caps

yes

[vocal surge]

Also

Did the sub rogue burst you with DFA?

Like Eviscerate x2 --> DFA for finisher nuke

[inner tartan]

no clue he didnt burst me he hit the sin

[vocal surge]

Ah

[inner tartan]

io think so thou

[indigo hill]

Oh, i had no idea. Thought it was some random number.

[winter seal]

damn bgb gains are so slow

[severe helm]

24 cr per win allll the way up

have fuuuun

[winter seal]

I am not having fun lol

Well I mean I am it’s just so slow

Games are fun. Being 500 off my mmv is not lol

[severe helm]

you can cover 500 in like a week thats not too bad

[dreamy mason]

Anyone that can help me with an answer to this? 🙂

[potent pivot]

mostly envenoms, but it's not horrible to use it on bleeds

just depends

like if you can consume Darkest Night with a huge 9-10 cp envenom, that is juice

[dreamy mason]

Ok! Thx mate 🙏🏻

[dreamy mason]

@chrome schooner Hi, tried to PM you, but it seems you can only receive from friends. Hope you see this, just wanted to ask a question in private, I sent a friend request just in case 🙂

[hollow stratus]

the mog and the mounts

[tender ember]

not a big fan of this pve alike frames. Low prio on focus tar castbar (scaled down and on the side), no dr tracker for yourself, scaled down defensives of your team mates, not sure u got clean configured debuffs above nameplate (poping up in random order and i can see 1 debuff u shouldnt track), would place CP undernath nameplate so u dont take off space you actually wanna see clearly. Omnibar filled (if test mode shows those which u did choose to show) with unnecesarry spells. Would suggest divide them by tags- defensives and put in under your character, stuns on left of right side, offensives cds above your player frame, misc- like blink, fade, swd, shimmer, dh's backflip on the opposite site of stuns tag

[dreamy mason]

Is there any "go-to-build" when it comes to Assa? It seems all the top players on Murlok.io have different builds ..

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/solo#talents-specialization

almost everyone uses the same build

you can just pick the most popular talents from that page

there's a couple slightly different builds, but only a couple people use them

[hidden dome]

well after the fun that was my warlock, I am now again in MMR hell with my hpala

where blizz gives me constant groups in which I'm the only one with positive winrate

this guy was flaming our other heal with 7 games

for not healing enough

[indigo hill]

In my experience, the one that does the least complaints the most.

[grave pier]

Hey guys, got a weird question here

For Outlaw PvP I am currently running a RTB addon that tells me when to RTB. Is this enough?

[tender ember]

Build is pretty straight forward, The difference is on hero talents tho

[jaunty osprey]

Not really

I play supercharger a lot

and kingsbane

Depending on the comp you’re playing and teams you’re facing too

a lot of these small changes make a big difference

[tender ember]

What u play SC and KB mostly against

Im not rly convinced since 2,7-2.9 mmr isnt flop town on eu

[jaunty osprey]

Double caster

With that build, you don’t lose any cleave bleed damage/pressure at all really, but it really makes your single target more impactful and just makes your goes more deadly when you finally get a chance to connect

And obviously you have your partner that is doing damage too

Especially since vs double caster you’d probably play bomb, dfa, and tricks anyway

[tender ember]

So u dont swap the fok talent and Amp poison? Just trading bonespike and tea?

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

Standard build, drop doomblade and sbs for kingsbane

drop tea/alacrity/stratagem for forced induction/supercharger

but you can keep sbs

And just play with forced induction

kingsbane isn’t NEEDED, but it does hit for 800k noncrit when used below 35% on a target

And the dot ticks for 400k+

[tender ember]

And deathstalker is mandatory?

[jaunty osprey]

ya deathstalker for forced

cause you get the shiv increases envenom by 18% talent

along with shiv giving you supercharged points

and then if it lines up with darkest night

it can hit for 3m

[tender ember]

Not a fan of oneshots But gonna try it on alt for a try i guess

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, the thing is that you play exactly the same really

since you should have full bleeds up

and then you only envenom when you have bleeds up

but your envenoms just chunk

[tender ember]

Ye problem is sometime i cant Press it very often

But pretty sure i hit it like 1-3 Times at least

Was also playing fatebound only lately

[jaunty osprey]

Fatebound so good for shuffle

not gonna lie

but fatebound loses a lot of rot damage

cause corrupt the blood is like a good % of your overall damage

Fatebound is good if you track the coin procs cause pressing deathmark procs both coins

If you have a high tails stack

[tender ember]

Ye tho keeping coin on like 10% overall +-

And working re is doing a lot lmao

[jaunty osprey]

you can just press deathmark on stunned target w no trinket

and hit for like 1m+

[tender ember]

Yea

Had a lot enve into big coin to exe proc

[jaunty osprey]

Ya coin is 10% overall, but you lose corrupt the blood which you can see, singular focus which you can see, deathstalker’s mark which you can see, clear the witness which you can see, hunt them down which you can see

Symbolic victory which you can’t see
Darkest night which you can’t see
Follow the blood which you can’t see

all the small things for deathstalker add up

but overall it’s just rot

as opposed to coin being for goes

I’m surprised more of the assa boomies dont play fatebound

since boomy clones so much anyway

[tender ember]

Yea missing a lot of dmg with this, i wish stealth wasnt bugged with ds

[jaunty osprey]

ya, the best solution is to just bind stealth to scroll wheel and spam scroll when trying to restealth

cause you’ll 100% get the subterfuge buff

but wont be stealthed

[tender ember]

Never faced or seen on ladder, only with outlaws

[jaunty osprey]

ya eu does it with outlaw

NA is with assa

since NA has more melee cleaves

assa just wins

eu is more melee caster

[tender ember]

Wait this spaming makes subter?

[jaunty osprey]

So the combat buf

bugI

omg bug*

[tender ember]

Even wo losing xombat?

[jaunty osprey]

you do drop combat but you instantly get put back in and pulled out

of stealth

like .001 a lot of times

[tender ember]

Ahh i Just remember sitting 10sec and not dropping xD

Then go in xd

[jaunty osprey]

ya the drop and back in cb happens so fast

[pallid onyx]

thank you for feedback. I am trying to adjust things but there are too much information to track.

I am still trying to find some cool options

the buff I shouldn't track is probabl fatal intent yes 😄

i got rid of %99 of them, idk why it's still there

[candid tide]

u guys think cq gets resetted with new season?

[severe helm]

always

[candid tide]

they gonna cap it too again?

yeah probs they will i guess

guys this guy has the bis gear for outlaw no? https://drustvar.com/character/us/Stormrage/Dàzèd

[severe helm]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[severe helm]

gear as outlaw is pretty flexible since all the stats suck ass

just make sure you hit haste cap

[candid tide]

ig, but didnt one u guys said that this specific guy has good setup?

[severe helm]

dazed is just one of the best outlaws so you can usually trust his gear

[candid tide]

gotcha, yeah i just wanna copy and not fuss toomuch about gearing

[gusty hedge]

[candid tide]

love this arena

pillar hug fest

[candid tide]

gz on duelist tho

[inner tartan]

grats

[solid wharf]

Hey stupid question…how much energy do you pool to vanish and start using BTE? I keep energy starving myself and I feel like it might be from vanishing with not enough

Is that something you want to wait til full on energy to do?

[hidden dome]

queueing with heal btw

[stoic spruce]

Way to hold your healer back

They're a peacock, you gotta let them fly.

[hidden dome]

I don't even want to know what my queue is without heal

I need him

[odd yew]

This is my first season playing retail, does honor transfer between seasons or am I wasting my time trying to pre farm a ton?

[hidden dome]

it's complicated. There have been seasons where it transferred and there has been those where it hasn't

but recently I think it carried over

[stoic spruce]

Honor transfers across seasons, not expansions

[hidden dome]

I carry some games and get 10 rating. The I get teammates which are impossible to carry and lose 11

Even after a 4 game winstreak I still lose more than I win

The only reason I know Blitz MMV wasn't designed to be aweful is because it is too good at it's job and blizz can't do anything that effective even if they tried

[winter seal]

What is like the average rating in shuffle

[hidden dome]

How come some guys are at 2.5 with 45% winrate, yet I mathematically need at least a 55% winrate to gain rating

I don't get it

[winter seal]

Wait I mean bgb

[shrewd coral]

for someone that has not played pvp since cata whats better to try to hit 1.8k ? blitz or shuffle ?

[hidden dome]

Shuffle if you know what you are doing, by far

Blitz if you want to get back into it

Blitz is a lot more "understanding the maps" than playing perfect pvp

[shrewd coral]

yeah my first shuffle round was kinda hectic thats true

[hidden dome]

50% winrate over 10 games, all losses due to absolute horrible new players

and I lose almost 20 rating points overall

At this point I hope I actually catch a ban for all those idiots I call idiots

because it would be an honest blessing

[winter seal]

What is your mmv and your cr

I’m like trying to figure out how realistic 2400 is

As someone is pretty average

[hidden dome]

My MMV is 2380 (before last loss) and my CR is 2268 (after my last loss)

Now if one could explain to me why I lose 16 rating when my MMV is higher than my CR

I would be enlightend

Likely the same reason Blizz put the same, 100% worthless 50% winrate 1.5er lock into my last 3 games, which were all 2.2-2.3 average team rating

Which is that their matchmaking system was coded by someone less skilled at coding than GPT running on a pre moonlanding PC

I'm not kidding when I'm saying that I could likely fix their awful matchmaking system in a week if they gave me access to their code base.
And 6.9 out of 7 days of that week would be spend trying to understand their historically grown mess of a code base.

But to answer your question, getting to 2.4 is a coin toss. Get a lucky winstreak and it is easy. Get a single bad loss streak and you are better off rerolling to a character.

A single bad loss streak is really the difference between getting 2.4 in 60 games and getting it in 160 games. Just a few griefers 4 games in a row.

There actual rank 1 outlaws out there who are 3.4 rated in blitz. Who got alts stuck at 2.4ish with a little above 54% winrate.

[winter seal]

Yeah games really do feel like a coin flip

I’m 1800 cr and 2400 something mmv which is fluctuating pretty fast. I’ll go up to 2700 and then lose down to 2.3k ish and then start winning again but the 24 rating a game is brutal. Wondering when I actually will start losing rating tho

[hidden dome]

Once you lose 4 or 5 in a row

[winter seal]

Haven’t done that yet. I got up to 2800 mmr and the games felt pretty hard and I lost 3 I think

Now it’s pretty win one lose one

[hidden dome]

This crazy inflation goes both ways. Lose a few too many in a row and you will be gaining 0 and losing 18

Half my alts play at 2.8-3k MMV

the other half at 1.8

it is really just a coin toss

[winter seal]

Yeah I started 1-4 and I was like 1200 mmv and thought about just giving up

[hidden dome]

The worst part is when you are at 2.35 and need ~4 games to get 2.4

and then you lose matches, due to actual griefers

[winter seal]

Yeah. Kinda wild seeing healers just afk after one fight that doesn’t go our way

[hidden dome]

and then you get placed in the "fuck you"-bracket

Where games are technically at your MMV

but you will be the highest rated player in your team for the rest of your games

And you will always lose more than you gain, even if the MMV is higher than your CR

[winter seal]

Well I’m not there yet lol

[hidden dome]

which is where I'm at my outlaw right now. Where I'm losing rating with 54% winrate

[winter seal]

This was my last game last night

[hidden dome]

Looking good

[winter seal]

Was in a 2600 lobby this morning and lost. Enemy got high warlord and another got legend so I suppose I could get there

[hidden dome]

Eh, as I said. I have played games above 3k MMV with my 1.8 warrior. Yet I would never try to get even 2.4 with my warrior knowing how it went with my rogue, which I can actually play

It is a long grind from 1.8 to 2.4 and you just need to get unlucky once

[winter seal]

I just gotta win 24 in a row and then I can be done with it

Rating gain caps are brutal

For bgb

[hidden dome]

Yeah

[winter seal]

My rogue got 1800 in 6 lobbies with 470 rating in my last one in shuffle

I don’t really like rogue in bgb tho cause it’s too much responsibility sometimes. Spriest is brain off go fight

[hidden dome]

Outlaw is maybe the most broken spec in Blitz if played correctly. Which is what makes him fun. But if makes it that much more painful to lose

if you are already doing the work of 3 guys

My outlaw is less than 140 rating away from 2.4. But I am actually leveling and farming conquest for my second outlaw, as I think getting 2.4 with him will be faster

[inner tartan]

i dont do another bgs rbgs or biltz to understand all the strats or what not i just get mad i get thrown on deffense the hole time in rbgs they make me swap to sin or dip : ( lmfaooo

[severe helm]

outlaw is very strong but sub is better

but yeah outlaw you can definitely learn some strats that will carry you to high rating pretty quickly

if you learn all the fast caps/stop caps you can heavily tilt your odds

[hidden dome]

Yep

Funny thing is, at eye of the storm, any range class can stop the other side from capping their base. Yet no one below 3k (other than outlaws) even goes for that

[severe helm]

nah only mage

[hidden dome]

Nah, did it with lock and even paladin heal

you just need the right path

[severe helm]

they probably clicked late

also the enemy team should be stopping you

outlaw and mage are the only two classes that can really push through people trying to prevent you from stop capping

[hidden dome]

Yeah at higher rating they stop you

But at lower rating you can just go and stop them

even if they click perfectly

if you walk the right path

[severe helm]

theres no complex path lol its just a straight line then a bridge

cant make a straight line go any faster

[hidden dome]

Yeah you can, you have save about half a second which is all you need

[severe helm]

and you go up the left side of the bridge if you want at the start but that saves like 0.2 seconds

id have to see a vod of it to believe it tbh

[hidden dome]

I can make one

[severe helm]

pls do

[hidden dome]

next time I play a caster

if you are playing alliance it is less close

with horde it really comes down to the last moment

[outer sky]

Running the standard bleed build (no supercharger) and I just killed someone in arena with a 2.1m envenom. How??

[potent pivot]

probably hit them in execute range

[inner tartan]

a sub rogue hit me for 2.6 : ( lmfaooo

that what i get for trolling a game by clicking

[potent pivot]

Their secret tech kinda cranked you too

[inner tartan]

o ya i noticed that i think it was hitting the druid 2

was a 2k mmr game thou so

[inner tartan]

how is mmr and solo shuffle done

at 19k mmr there was a rogue who rating was 800 who on one of the matches barely did above 3 mill damage 5 wins gave me 10 points but 4 lose took away almost 30

1.9k not 19k

[potent pivot]

placement game

[candid tide]

Fought some bots at 1.8 cr too yesterday’s

[potent pivot]

for them

most likely

[inner tartan]

i was told 1800 is defaut so i quess he some how won alot in his first game but idk cuz i dont know sin rogue but im pretty sure shive and ambush arent ment to be ur top damage

[candid tide]

The lock didnt even place gates at 1800

[inner tartan]

lock love forgetting gates and cookies

[candid tide]

Not sure either, buts its probably garrote thats should be top dam

Multi gar with aoe shiv kidney healer rinse repeat

[inner tartan]

ya soemthing like that

[outer sky]

I feel like I almost never get meld>stealth anymore

my stealth button greys out the instant I meld

like 75% of the time

[jolly sierra]

i played at 1k9 MMR with my monk, won 4-2 w 900 rating

twice

seems ok

[lone goblet]

Placement games, your hidden CR is going to start way higher than MMR until they normalize. Could take 10 or so shuffles. And 3 mil damage sounds about right for sub.

[outer sky]

This is grueling

I've dipped below elite rank in 3s 4 times since getting my 1st glad win

Just got it back again

27/50 wins

2405cr

[glass hazel]

gz

almost there

any info about tww season end? feb10 for cata

[potent pivot]

nope

they'll announce it eventually

[glass hazel]

probably after tw event

[dreamy mason]

Do we have any stat "tresholds" as Outlaw in PvP?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

~10% haste from gear, then vers > crit

[dreamy mason]

great thx! dident know that "!" function existed

[dreamy mason]

Is this a good char to follow gear wise? https://murlok.io/character/eu/gordunni/няшусьвдсике/pvp#gear

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/character/us/stormrage/dzd/pvp

[candid tide]

Dazed has 4 rogs all r1

All 4 diff nuances in gearing

[potent pivot]

ye i always recommend copying the 'Dzd' character

[dreamy mason]

But Dzd "only" have 8% haste - did you mean it was "around" 10% or 10% and above?

[candid tide]

think I copied the defensive setup one

[potent pivot]

gear does not scale up to pvp ilvl on murlok

he has 10% in pvp combat

[dreamy mason]

ooooh thats right ..

[potent pivot]

yep

even if it's not EXACTLY 10% in pvp combat it's fine generally

[candid tide]

U think all his rog gears is fine?

[potent pivot]

idk i haven't really looked, but in general gear barely matters

same as most talent builds (if they aren't obviously troll)

[candid tide]

True hence why there are r1 dudes with no gems/enchants

[potent pivot]

yep

the pvp side of the game just doesn't really require any "real" minmax anymore

[candid tide]

Uptime >>>

[inner tartan]

also isnt it like almost a full honnor level for 1 gem slot

no a little short but way to much i think

i sell them instead hehe more gold for me

[potent pivot]

not if you just spend the gold

[inner tartan]

true

[potent pivot]

getting honor is so fast

especially if you're playing rated

[inner tartan]

i do and i lost a bet so this season i have to heal alot : ( but atlest i get lots of conquest and honnor

but like i think i have more conquest then honnor ( not realy but it feel like it )

got like 40 boxes and aklot of the conquest badge thing healers get and i used 30 saturday gearing up a monk and lock

i wish conquest and vicous warsadle mounts could be turned into gold of honnor

[potent pivot]

Try to get good enough to boost 2s even to just 1800 and you’ll prolly never need gold again

[inner tartan]

but im trash kek

i get 1800 on the class i want then i fuck around all season

but getting good is on the list cuz one day i want glad

[candid tide]

same lol got all classes to 1800 and dipped

carpal tunnel flaring up toomach

[inner tartan]

haha xd also 1400 - 2k lobbys in 2s and solo are fun and normal chaotic

in 2s normal for me 1900 - 2100 ( i dont think i have gotten above 2100 yet in 2s ) it normal the same 2 comsp again and again

[candid tide]

i dont have the patience to play 2s i need the chaos in 3s where more mistakes are made that can be capitalized on

[inner tartan]

Fair

[dreamy mason]

How much uptime should we have on Blade Flurry as Outlaw in arena?

[potent pivot]

you should have it up a decent amount of the time

if you can hit more than 1 target

and not break CC

a lot of people use a cancelaura macro to cancel the BF buff to not break CC

[candid tide]

blade flurry uptime is as good as permanent lol

[dreamy mason]

aaah ok

Can Killing Spree Crit btw?

[potent pivot]

ya

[dreamy mason]

superb!

Do we have any list on spells that is NOT on the global cooldown btw?

[potent pivot]

not really

it's pretty easy to tell, just go through and cast everything 1 by 1

ghostly strike, adrenaline rush, and some utility spells mostly

evasion, cloak, feint, etc

[dreamy mason]

thx! i found a easy way to try it ingame

Btw, if I would like to save up actionbar space with a Ghostly Strike + KS macro, how would that look like?

[potent pivot]

#showtooltip
/cast ghostly strike
/cast killing spree

Just pick which spell you want to see the tooltip of and put its name after #showtooltip

[dreamy mason]

does not work ..

what about a /castsequence macro?

[potent pivot]

It should work

You have to make sure you have the energy to cast them

[dreamy mason]

nope, both type of macros does not work ..

[potent pivot]

Something is off then, because I can assure you that it works

I’ve used it before

[dreamy mason]

so so wierd .. i just cant get it to work ..

lol so wierd haha now it worked and it was litteraly the same all the time

@potent pivot Do you have a macro for Sap vs stealthed targets to find other rogues or ferals etc?

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’ll send it when I get back to my pc

[dreamy mason]

thx mate! really appreciate you helping me ❤️

[neon spade]

Whats this about?

[dreamy mason]

What you mean?

[potent pivot]

it's just a macro for trying to sap other stealthies while they're in stealth

it's really not as big of a thing as it used to be tbh and hardly works/matters these days

if you get close enough to another stealthy to see them/target them, it'll just sap them

[potent pivot]

/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast [harm, nodead] sap
/stopattack```

there ya go

[dreamy mason]

thx! and this only work for stealthed targets or others as well?

[potent pivot]

it works on anything you just have to keep in mind that it will drop target and re-target

[dreamy mason]

ok nice!

[potent pivot]

which can in some situations pick up a different target based on who you're facing and closer to

[dreamy mason]

why does this not matter as much these days?

[potent pivot]

because things just aren't the same as they were back in classic/cata days

not many people are going to run around in stealth for a long time trying to sap the other out

even if they are, finding someone in stealth doesn't behave the same as it did back then either

back then there were things you could do, talents you could take etc that made it easier to find someone in stealth

nowadays i think the only class that has any enhanced stealth detection is hunter, that i can remember anyway

[dreamy mason]

hmm interesting ..

thx for the explain

@potent pivot Any good things to track except Subterfuge? and how if so - weakauras?

[potent pivot]

for which spec

outlaw?

[dreamy mason]

sorry, yes!

[potent pivot]

well you want to be able to see your rtb rolls

subterfuge would also be good

i'd recommend tracking adrenaline rush too since you can extend it

might want to track BF if you plan on using a cancelaura for it

[dreamy mason]

New to rogue overall as you may have noticed, so sorry for the noob questions, but why do i wanna track the RTB rolls for example?
How can i extend Adren rush?

[dreamy mason]

ah, so you mean i can for example vanish and prolong the adren rush with subterfuge?

[potent pivot]

seeing your rtb rolls will let you know when you want to reroll etc

[potent pivot]

ye

[dreamy mason]

oooh .. so you dont want to press it when it comes of cooldown?

[potent pivot]

sometimes you don't no

[dreamy mason]

any guide that explains this a bit more in-depth? so I dont bombard you with follow up questions regarding this xD

[potent pivot]

the #outlaw-faq has some basics, just look at the HO build rotation

not everything is the exact same for pvp, but most of it is

[dreamy mason]

HO?

[potent pivot]

outlaw has 2 main builds in pve

HO build and KiR build

we only really play HO builds in pvp, so those are the rotational rules you have to learn

[dreamy mason]

ah right, thx!

@potent pivot btw. is there a Shadowmeld macros as well to get into stealth or how does Meld work with Subterfuge?

[potent pivot]

ye you have to meld->stealth

its just the same concept as the GS+KS macro

#showtooltip
/cast shadowmeld
/cast !stealth```

you usually have to spam press it for it to work

[dreamy mason]

thx!

[stoic spruce]

🤢🤮

[gusty hedge]

i used to hate that talent too, but now it's a gem

[hollow stratus]

oh god i need pvp ilvl to be able to join solo shuffle

looking for a kind guy that helps bring all my 13 chars to 1.8k KEKW

did 1 bg was boring as usual

[inner tartan]

Start farming 🤣

[hollow stratus]

....

[inner tartan]

And go zug zug big damage

Most of the time it works if u keep up the pressure and dont die

[gusty hedge]

good luck all of premades on reg and epic bgs

[hollow stratus]

nah i stopped

pvp is just to dumb

[inner tartan]

I feel kinda bad for them tbh in normal Why go full sweat mode there ?

[inner tartan]

Fun not dumb 👍

[hollow stratus]

Kappa

[inner tartan]

No clue what that means

[hollow stratus]

pvp is so much unfun for me

[inner tartan]

Ya so many of my guildies can’t stand PvP so sad potential 2s and 3s partners gone 🤣

[hollow stratus]

2s is fine

bg is trash

[inner tartan]

I agree bg I just troll around

[hollow stratus]

sry my time is worth more

[inner tartan]

True

[gusty hedge]

i try to go full sweat mode solo unless its unwinnable ill catch the players that fall from the group or catch a trio away from big group casual ques are def in a bad state atm

[inner tartan]

I just ment like people premade for them it full group in full conquest gear and then are like full. On sweating it

I did that season 3 for fun but also s3 fury warrior had a aoe 1 shot it was great but that got boring after the first few kills tbh

[indigo hill]

I'm pretty sure it's a sports brand.

[inner tartan]

Xd

[indigo hill]

Like I said. Just play bm hunter in arena. It's pvp on easy mode.

[hollow stratus]

i cant even arena

need higher pvp ilvl

need to bg to get honor

ergo

no thanks

rip mount dream

[inner tartan]

Also if we make a PvP character with full PvP crafted gear but not ves we just die to anything and everything right

[potent pivot]

It’s super easy to get gear this expansion

[indigo hill]

Yeah it's this one

[potent pivot]

You don’t even have to BG or far honor

Just get bloody token gear

[hollow stratus]

have to play with WM on i am no psychopath sry

[indigo hill]

Can always put on wm and do the wq and the wpvp weekly.

[inner tartan]

See I wanted to do this cuz packleader surv hunter was just a kite or pillar bomb throwing simulator and ez 1800 in very short time

[potent pivot]

….then don’t

[inner tartan]

Longest part was Que but I was farming stuff so it worked

[hollow stratus]

yeah so no easy gear

[potent pivot]

You want pvp rewards without taking part in any of the content

That’s just weird

[indigo hill]

I mained sv in sl. Was fun for a while but the bomb throwing got boring.

[potent pivot]

Bloody token gear is the easiest shit to get in the history of wow gearing

Literally

[inner tartan]

I kinda like the packleader part thou the cd resets and everything feel good

[potent pivot]

You don’t even have to pvp to get it

[indigo hill]

I have wm on all the time. Hardly ever run into people.

[potent pivot]

Just world quest in wm

[potent pivot]

Same

I never turn it off

[inner tartan]

Wm is fun on my realm also sorry not sorry wm on is a great way to make other people summon in keys 🤣

And if u get summon killing people ay summoning stones is always fun

And if ur a complete ashole just keep pistol shotting them trying to summon but ya that rude

[gusty hedge]

i played bm one season during SLands and got 2k in 3s lol shit too ez( bm was bursty af tho)

[wet snow]

Hello guys, can i put into 2 neck sockets the same gem ? e.g deadly onyx ?

[indigo hill]

I tried it this season went 6/6 with ease. I just felt dirty playing it.

[inner tartan]

I guild master said who ever swap to bm this season should get their toes cut of 🤣 just for that I might but I tried playing it before it was just kinda boring

But I had all my pets and dire beast looking like the sha of anger mount and it look cool having so many of them out

Now I should make them all wolves

[potent pivot]

Ye

Just make sure ur using a pvp gem somewhere

[inner tartan]

Also I have never tested this and when I use pve toons for PvP they normal have ves crafting. PvP gear with no ves in PvP will get me nuked by any and everything right