pvp

[potent pivot]

you just do that after getting it crafted

lemme see uh

[grave pier]

yeye, i have the item in the order just want to buy the other thing

[potent pivot]

the vendor is to the left of the honor/bloody token vendors iirc?

[grave pier]

Right so only way to get vicious bloodstone is through honor/vault

[potent pivot]

naw you can buy those

[stoic spruce]

Real and true. Just hold out, something will come along. There's no way it stays this way for a long time with the size of flaws it has in pve.

[grave pier]

oh wow

[grave pier]

and i can socket each item

3 times?

for 3 gems?

[potent pivot]

no

you have to buy the socket setting

[grave pier]

ye so I can buy the socket setting thingy 3 times

[potent pivot]

5k honor and 3 bloodstones per 1 socket

[grave pier]

yeye

ok perfect

[potent pivot]

you only need

[grave pier]

so each crafted item can only fit 1 socket?

[potent pivot]

read the tooltip

[grave pier]

ah

woops

[potent pivot]

jewelry can have 2

[grave pier]

ok perfect

[potent pivot]

now

to make Lens work

you need at least 1 stat gem

[stoic spruce]

I wonder how much you actually lose with dropping ace I wonder

[grave pier]

Thanks so much man

Also as an outlaw rogue, I start the round by Blade Fury > Adrenaline > SnD> RTB > Stealth

[potent pivot]

you want 1 of these socketed

so you take less dmg in stuns

[potent pivot]

there's no need to SnD anymore

dispatch/envenom/evis auto apply SnD

[grave pier]

at the very start though

[potent pivot]

nah

[grave pier]

so i can get some CD's back

[stoic spruce]

SnD on opener is such a minmax thing that it doesn't really matter

[grave pier]

ah fairs

[grave pier]

On both or just 1?

If just one lmk what to use on the other

[potent pivot]

just 1

[grave pier]

what to do on other?

[potent pivot]

just use a stat gem

for every other socket you do

[grave pier]

ah okok

[potent pivot]

like haste/vers or crit/vers

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

you only need to hit ~10% haste (pvp scaled)

the rest you should stack vers>crit

[wise crown]

What do you want changed on outlaw?

[grave pier]

thanks man

[stoic spruce]

Please don't get me started, I'm having a good day lol

[grave pier]

does dismantle hurt Monks?

[stoic spruce]

They can't parry but other than that not really

[stoic spruce]

I want shadowlands outlaw back.

I will leave it at that.

[grave pier]

shadowlands outlaw was smth else

but current outlaw aint too bad

[stoic spruce]

The best iteration of outlaw since legion

Idk man, it's pretty rough to me.

But I won't get into it because I'm very passionate about outlaw and I'm having a good day

[grave pier]

isn't Outlaw currently A/S tier?

[stoic spruce]

Something like that

[grave pier]

i dont feel my BtE resetting too much

wonder if it's cuz of my current stats

[potent pivot]

wdym

[stoic spruce]

It's not. It's the nature of outlaw

[grave pier]

I wonder if there's a build we can go

when we're against cleave

[spring bough]

2.3mil hammer of light crits on my paladin and i still dont have an epic 2h for pvp lol

[grave pier]

like against a Warrior Pally we know they're gna cleave

so focus on AoE talents

[stoic spruce]

Remember when we were doing that with Pistol Shot in Shadowlands?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

[potent pivot]

outlaw's cleave is just built in

there's not much you can change for that scenario compared to what we're already using

[grave pier]

ye but i remember in PvE you could opt in for more cleave talents

wasn't sure if its the same

[stoic spruce]

Like deft?

[grave pier]

yeye

[stoic spruce]

I run deft for the CP gen. I genuinely don't remember if it does anything else.

[spring bough]

double leggo with the venth bussy lego at the end

[stoic spruce]

Hrngggg

[spring bough]

it was hot ngl

[stoic spruce]

Take me back

[potent pivot]

ye but pvp is just 3 targets max so it isn't really worth

[stoic spruce]

Downhill ever since

[grave pier]

well it's also good vs mage/kiters

[potent pivot]

venthyr double leggo was pog

[grave pier]

because u can close the gap

[potent pivot]

huh

[grave pier]

oh

[potent pivot]

you talking about blade rush?

[stoic spruce]

You might be thinking of something else

[grave pier]

im talking about blade rush

woops

sorry

just getting back in

[stoic spruce]

Love that button

Wish I had a use for it tho

[grave pier]

so outlaw talents for now is just this

[stoic spruce]

Or the talent points

Yes

[potent pivot]

we've just got 4x hook so br seems wasteful

[grave pier]

ah

u can't post screenshots

[potent pivot]

huh

[stoic spruce]

Yes you can

[potent pivot]

you can

[grave pier]

won't let me 😦

using snipping tool

[potent pivot]

is it to big of a file size for you?

[grave pier]

ah there we go

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that

Though you can go trickster if you want. Pretty slept on.

[grave pier]

trickster?

thick as thieves talent?

[potent pivot]

basically yes, but more people run sting like a bee over float like a butterfly

[grave pier]

yh fairs

[potent pivot]

also elusiveness is really good for outlaw

[grave pier]

ye i keep forgetting to use feint for now

[grave pier]

tryna find trickster

[potent pivot]

it's the other hero tree

[stoic spruce]

Lol

[grave pier]

ah...

sorry guys

barely played this xpac

[potent pivot]

np

[grave pier]

guessing trickster is more dmg or smth

[potent pivot]

nah

[stoic spruce]

Not quite

It's more on demand

[potent pivot]

barely anyone plays it really

[grave pier]

ah screw that

i want things easier

[stoic spruce]

But he plays outlaw >.>

[grave pier]

the dopamine from hearing BtE reset

is too much

[stoic spruce]

And then not having uptime because of all the roots and you lose adr so now you have to spam Sinister Strike, instantly diminishes the dopamine.

My record I think is 7

For opp proc

[spring bough]

think ive unlocked 7 or 8 rival sets this season... time to pack it up lol

[stoic spruce]

Reroll game

I'm going to try Stalker 2 when I get done with Chernobylite

[spring bough]

What does that mean? I’ve only played wow in the last 20 years

[potent pivot]

o.o

GOTTA try other games sometimes

there's some bangers out there

[spring bough]

I mean on the computer that is. COD on Xbox took up a lot of my time lol

[stoic spruce]

I want to get back into BO6 but the hackers are crazy rn

But I didn't want to buy a ps5 just for cod

Shit I should've, I was going to get one anyway.

[grave pier]

Does dismantle do anything to enhance?

[jaunty osprey]

just won another lobby

all my rogues are now 2810+

pog

#1 and #3 overall for NA

[severe helm]

yes

trickster

trickster is def more overall cleave damage

but its not easier than fatebound

it has more things to track/optimize around

[inner tartan]

trickster goated in comps u can cleave

coin good again mages : ) they go flop

against

[hollow niche]

Do u guys run veil of shadows if ur against feral?

And affliction

Also wtf do i do against destro, affliction, priest like i feel like a sitting duck

[safe pelican]

Blitz when the whole team is on the same page >>>>>>>

[pastel burrow]

Against feral or assa rogues yeah it's a good idea

[stoic spruce]

Bros living in a fairy-tale

[safe pelican]

lol I’ve been having great games lately , the trick is stop playing right after the game where everyone listens

Don’t wanna jinx myself but as long as it’s not deephaul ravine i usually get a W think i found out how to carry that map now too but we’ll see ( im lying deephaul fucking sucks )

Are Rank 1 & Glad titles the only permanent titles in the game ?

Or are there any other cool ones to obtain via PvP/BGB/RGB before season ends would like a rank 1 title for blitz cause I’ve spent so much time this season just getting lazy with queues

[spring bough]

What class is on the menu today

Do I level up my evo and get the elite set for that one? Then call it a season lol

[hollow niche]

POV solo shuffle says 7 minutes you wait 29

[indigo hill]

If the timer is more than 20 min I requeu. Usually pops right away then.

I reached 1900 today in blitz. First time ever. 💪

[verbal field]

gz man

[waxen meteor]

Grat!

The mode is just too slow getting cr lol

I just done with one char 2400 and never bother for rest char

Been doing just ss these couple of weeks

[indigo hill]

Ty.

Anyone got a good replacement for killing spree?

[potent pivot]

killing spree is kinda your big damage button

it also breaks roots etc

[severe helm]

yeah its also defensive haha

youd never want to drop KS in pvp tbh

its too good

[spring kiln]

does que time increase substantially the higher you go up"?

[severe helm]

yes

very very substantially

[spring kiln]

good lord

i just started pvping again on my rogue at like 700 cr its 20 minutes

[severe helm]

if I tried to queue shuffle right now itd prob be like 1+ hour

or just indefinite until healers log on

theres literally a handful of healers that are high mmr in shuffle cuz shuffle is just so much harder as a healer

[spring kiln]

is it better to just not bother with it then at this point?

[severe helm]

Depends on your goals

[waxen meteor]

I think he was asking blitz ..

[severe helm]

oh blitz is even worse

[potent pivot]

can also depend on queuing prime time for your region..

[spring kiln]

oh fuck xD

[waxen meteor]

Blitz high mmr you better do it at night

[severe helm]

queue times arent thaaat bad at high mmr in blitz if you queue at the right time though

[waxen meteor]

Solo high mmr you can do it during day

[severe helm]

but you literally cant queue during the day

[potent pivot]

if you're 700cr you're likely still in placement matches no?

[spring kiln]

tragic

[potent pivot]

sometimes those qs are a bit longer

[spring kiln]

yeah i think so

[severe helm]

yeah blitz is consistently 15-20 min queues if youre solo dps queueing

[spring kiln]

theyve been putting me with either 1600-2200 peeps last couple of games

[waxen meteor]

I will probably do my DH blitz

[severe helm]

but itll stay that same duration until youre like 3.2+

[spring kiln]

seems super random

[waxen meteor]

DH seems quite solid at blitz

[severe helm]

yeah it fluctuates a LOT early on

[waxen meteor]

Eyebeam 247

[potent pivot]

ya thats the point of placement games

[severe helm]

there will be someone with 1k cr in 3500 lobbies sometimes

I feel bad for htem everyone just yells at them

[potent pivot]

the game puts you into different mmr lobbies to check your skill range

[severe helm]

its blizzards fault for coding the worst matchmaking system ever invented

[spring kiln]

xD

if you que with a healer are que times much better?

or still kinda fucked

[severe helm]

yes

very much better

like only a couple minutes sometimes

5-10 if youre not lucky

[spring kiln]

damn now i have to go make friends

sub is more ST burst while assas is cleave rn right?

with bleeds and shit

[severe helm]

yeah assa still has some good st burst but its not as on demand as sub is

sub has probably the least setup to its burst of any spec in the game

just stun and rip it

[spring kiln]

are they both pretty even in terms of power or is one stronger?

[severe helm]

in blitz sub is arguably the best spec

but only if you know what youre doing

assa is the best team fight spec for sure

and still can do rogue things

theyre both very strong

[spring kiln]

alrighty

was trying assas earlier and seems super energy starved

[severe helm]

in team fight it should have infinite energy

you get energy back from bleed ticks on poisoned targets

but in single target yeah itll feel slower by a good amount

thats just the nature of the spec

you have to pool your energy for burst

[spring kiln]

bleed tree right?

[severe helm]

yeah that looks like the standard one

[potent pivot]

you need to get bleeds up

[severe helm]

I think trees are linked here

[potent pivot]

for energy regen

[indigo hill]

It also dc's me.

[potent pivot]

something else is up there

[severe helm]

that is really ufnortunate

is that a consistent thing?

cuz if so thats definitely "contact blizzard" worthy

[spring kiln]

lmfao the reason i felt energy starved

is i was using a tree with no vigor/tea at all

[indigo hill]

Happened today and yesterday.

[potent pivot]

Tea isn’t mandatory tbh

[spring kiln]

vigor seems like it is super helpful

what would you use instead of tea? or is it if you dont use tea you shouldnt use vigor either

[potent pivot]

No vigor is a lil yikers

[spring kiln]

could put it into the slice and dice heal i guess?

[potent pivot]

Only time I drop tea personally is for forced induction build, but it’s not a big diff either way

[spring kiln]

ah for sure

ill probs keep it then

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s not like it’s bad or anything

Quite good

But really

Assa feels energy starved no matter what on single target

[spring kiln]

true

[potent pivot]

When you get bleeds up on multiple targets you’re flooded with energy

[spring kiln]

i normally PVE with it so i feel that lmfao

[potent pivot]

Because venomous wounds refunds energy

[spring kiln]

alright

scent of blood seems kinda bonkers too

[potent pivot]

Assa in general has strong aoe talents

[spring kiln]

yeah

no caustic spatter because we dont do poison focus right?

[potent pivot]

Yeah caustic requires deadly poison

So it’s kinda deadge in pvp

[spring kiln]

ah and gotta use wound

makes sense

[potent pivot]

It’s very strong in team fights but you trade off a lot for it

[spring kiln]

i plan on just doing rbg blitz

[potent pivot]

You basically trade your aoe mortal strike for more overall pad damage

Not really worth

For blitz I think kingsbane + MA is good as well

[spring kiln]

what two points would you remove to get those?

[potent pivot]

Doomblade/sbs

[grave pier]

Does outlaw pvp change from 2's to 3's?

[potent pivot]

Nah

[grave pier]

thanks

we're about to do Disc Priest + Outlaw + ret 😄

any tips will be appreciated

[hollow niche]

How do you stop tea from triggering on its own lol

[potent pivot]

you don't let yourself fall below the energy threshold >_<

[stiff cedar]

I don't think you can it used to be PURELY on use but then they "simplified" and it auto procs when you dont need it

Made me like tea a lot less tbh

Like why can't it be a choice node with the old on use version if you want it like that

[potent pivot]

this conversation has been had like every other day in the spec channels

it just isn't a huge deal at the end of the day

[indigo hill]

In solo shuffle and blitz can you get anything else over 1800 rating?

[potent pivot]

you mean rewards?

[indigo hill]

Yeah like 1800 is full elite set

[potent pivot]

if so, yes

1950 is the weapon illusion

[severe helm]

Scooby Doo cleave

[potent pivot]

2100 is the elite weapon mogs

other than that its just titles iirc

oh tabard at 2400

[indigo hill]

Holy fire is the pvp illusion?

Not sure ill manage 2400. Just reached 1950.

[potent pivot]

ya

getting the weapon mogs is nice

it's all the same conquest weapons but they're the white tint

[bleak dagger]

I’ve tried supercharger outlaw , even with the KiR build and I just can’t vibe with her. The dam difference doesn’t seem too crazy either , but I noticed a lot of have swapped over to super charger builds with higher haste

[potent pivot]

i think regular HO/supercharger feels good

running any more than ~10% haste doesn't do very much

[indigo hill]

I dont care much for supercharger. Feel like i play better when i dont have to pay attention to it.

Maybe i've been using it wrong. 🤷‍♂️

[potent pivot]

you don't have to pay much attention to it tbh

it just adds combo points on top of whatever you're already spending

[indigo hill]

Yeah but when to reroll? If i got good buffs but can reroll for supercharger, should i?

[potent pivot]

imo you just roll on CD unless you have like a 5 roll

if you don't want to pay that much attention to it

[indigo hill]

When do you all use KS?

[potent pivot]

almost everything of outlaw is on CD

[indigo hill]

You mean when ghost and bte are on cooldown you pop KS?

[potent pivot]

the main time you would hold KS

is just during subterfuge windows

[severe helm]

Yeah I sometimes hold it vs mages for when they nova me if I know it's coming

[indigo hill]

Frost mages are the bane of my excistence.

[severe helm]

I love facing frost mage haha

Outlaw eats them up

You're like the only spec that can keep up

[spring bough]

evo with mass disintegrate feels wicked leveling up lol

[indigo hill]

Please tell me how. Cause i always get stuck.

[severe helm]

He has less blinks than you have grapples and you have a stronger slow

Make sure you figure out what type of blink they're running

If they're playing blink stun then you can actually hold your stun for after they're forced to blink

If they are aren't playing it then you should be stunning for when you're bursting and playing it more like normal where you do your damage at all once

But for the most part it's a matter of keeping up your cdr so you have the pressure

Also one thing to note is that killing spree counters snowdrift(their stun) if theyre running it

So that's useful when they're trying to set up cuz ks clears the stacks so it won't stun you

[indigo hill]

Thats some good info. Ty

[severe helm]

Also you can track the double grapple buff duration from date bound. It's like 3 seconds which is pretty long and you can play around it if you grapple to them and they blink again

I have a little weak aura that pops up when I grapple to show me how long I have to use a second one for free

[potent pivot]

same

[spring kiln]

anyone know a good place like a discord/community to find duos for blitz and stuff?

these 30 minute ques are miserable

[potent pivot]

try Oasis WoW, Intensity, World of PvP

[spring kiln]

will do!

[hexed pollen]

lets go bois!

[spring kiln]

dayum

[potent pivot]

Decided to cash out?

[spring bough]

game feels dead today lol. theres like 5 people in elwynn on tich right now

[spring kiln]

it normal to be in 2600mmr after 15 games?

feel like i should be gaining way more than i am with the difference

[potent pivot]

it can be yeah

you mean gaining more rating?

[spring kiln]

yeah

[potent pivot]

in what, blitz?

[spring kiln]

am getting like 20-24

blitz

[potent pivot]

blitz rating gain is capped

[spring kiln]

ah thats ass

[severe helm]

24 cr whole way up

enjoy the climb haha

[spring bough]

Anyone else just have to go shovel 8 inches? Feels like my arms are gonna fall off lol

[outer sky]

I shoeveled 11

[spring bough]

Sounds like you had some fun too. Get that rock salt down too? Lol

[outer sky]

well

I have an XM42

so that

helps a lot

[spring bough]

i live in the woods.... not using that out here lmao

and my snowblower is broken too so im double fked lol

[hollow niche]

We had to shovel my dad's condos today needed to take the tractor and quad

[outer sky]

I live in the woods too

[outer sky]

This is my house after the start of a snowfall

[spring bough]

i got the same setup pretty much lol. driveway is like 1/4 mile long. flat at the top then like a 45 degree decline to the road lol

[outer sky]

god damn last 3 shuffles have been 1-5

Shit's so tilting

Like come on man press your healing buttons

[spring bough]

i just started playing my human sub rogue

full greens 5-1 first lobby lol

[outer sky]

yeah but it's a fresh rated toon

Like the annoying thing is

ok fuck like

I dont care

Rogue defensives are horrendously undertuned

im safe for 5 seconds every 2 minutes

outside of that I'm just dying outside of enemy cooldowns

I cant get aggressive because I just die to the other team's pve damage

if I dont have cloak

which is why I greed it so much

I think 9/10 games I have to cloak the opener I die in the next go or two

Cloak needs to last 7s baseline and be a 1.5m CD and evasion needs to be a 1.5m CD and provide a damage reduction without needing to spec for it

Like our defensives are laughably undertuned

cloak is a shitty AMS

evasion is a shitty Die by the Sword

cant press anything while stunned

fucking dogshit kit

meanwhile warlocks get a personal life cocoon they can use every minute

while stunned

cuz that's balanced

[spring kiln]

wow theres only 4 assas rogues horde/ally that will get a title in bg blitz? That seems insanely low even for a r1

[potent pivot]

sounds kinda normal tbh, there's only a couple more slots for r1 shuffle than that

[spring kiln]

hmm for sure

[languid ravine]

your defensives are
-entire enemy team stunned for 8 seconds
-entire enemy team dead

[inner tartan]

🤣

[spring bough]

https://youtu.be/FcI1u1l0nz4

Has to be the funniest thing. I would have recorded myself smoking so many classic players 😂

[wanton breach]

Every 45s even

[normal zealot]

i lvld a demon hunter to 80 and started pvp because some guy in a random arena told me dh is easier than rogue. Just checked their community discord and their pvp channel is dead. I miss rogue

[hazy monolith]

lol

Feint 20% wall; evasions 100% dodge and 20% wall, cloak; vanish and KS to leave roots, highest form of control in the game

You are delusional if you think rogue defensives are “horrendously undertuned”

[hazy monolith]

DH is easier to play but in a bad spot atm that’s why the discord is dead

Rogue discord is outstanding, too imho

Like glad might be veeeery hard to get on DH, you can climb soloq tho and DH slaps in blitz

[normal zealot]

im starting a mage now lol

Then ill probably back to rogue once i see that i dont like mage

[hollow niche]

Don't bg blitz then?

[hollow niche]

I was playing DH had to swap to rogue

[hollow niche]

Facts tho some games I don't need defensive just stuns

[gusty hedge]

been in elwynn all day was active plus daily raids of Make Durotar Great Again

[normal zealot]

Is it possible to play multiple specs on a single account? Does that mean i need to re-gear everything and always have a 2nd set for the other spec or is there an easier way to switch between specs and keeping and having the right gear?

[hollow niche]

Single account or single character?

@normal zealot

[glass hazel]

there is double\triple rogue one for each spec

that what most of r1 do

[gusty hedge]

i believe sin/sub can use the same gear(Mastery/vers) if outlaw need a new set mastery doesn't benefit the spec. ( I still play around with full mastery outlaw trickster for shits n giggles)

[dapper chasm]

Is the sub pvp build solved yet?

[normal zealot]

single charachter

[normal zealot]

lol thats wild

[glass hazel]

jason has like 5 rogues :x 3 of them in r1 range

[normal zealot]

idk who that jason is but im like noob number 1

i dont even know what r1 is

1 rogue to 80 is enough for now xD

[broken otter]

top 0.1% of the ladder

[normal zealot]

oh damn

[broken otter]

They get a perma title on season end

This one will be Forged Gladiator <name>

[normal zealot]

very cool

[safe pelican]

What’s the add on to auto release spirit unpon death for bgb ??

[hidden dome]

Man I swear blizzard detects when you have too much fun

was having a good time on my dk

and then it gave me 3 kotmogo free losses in a row

I swear if I could just blacklist that stupid worthless piece of shit bg

[wraith tangle]

Blitz?

[hidden dome]

yep

[wraith tangle]

Well, I read somewhere that blizz is doing this on purpose. If you have too many wins, they put you in team with players who have more loses

Dunno if its true, but from my experience it is pretty much possible

[hidden dome]

mhh not too sure, got to 1.8 with my warrior just fine playing 20-7 with 9 game winstreak at a point

I rather feel like you get losing teams once you lost a few matches

but maybe what you said is true too. After some wins you always get that 100% loss, but that could just be normal variance

[safe pelican]

It’s 3 up /3 down

If you lose 2-3 games in a row just stop queuing for the day

[indigo hill]

Won 11 blitz in a row yesterday lets see if the streak continues today.

It doesnt...2 people afk the whole game.

[pallid onyx]

hi guys

can anyone tell me non kingsbane build assa rogue opener?

what I do is :
Garrote - Ambush - Shiv - Rupture - Deathmark - Cheapshot - Muti - Envenom

but I am not sure as I don't throw crimson tempest

feels like im missing out and I couldn't find a new video

anyone here ?

XD

[spring kiln]

Thanks for the incredibly useful and thought out advice on a question I didn't even ask!

[spring kiln]

are you using sbs?

[pallid onyx]

serrated bone spikes? yes

this is my build so far

[spring kiln]

arena or bg?

[pallid onyx]

solo shuffle

[spring kiln]

i normally tempest after SBS procs and gives me combo points from AOE rupture

[pallid onyx]

hmm

so

[spring kiln]

idealy they are all stacked and you can just apply garrote and rupture instantly and should give your combo points to tempest id imagine

[pallid onyx]

Garrote - Ambush - Shiv - Rupture - Tempest- Deathmark - Cheapshot - Muti - Envenom

would this work?

[pallid onyx]

what is the idea behind rupturing instantly with low CP

[spring kiln]

i meant it applies instantly to all 3 from your AOE bleed talent

not apply low CP instant rupture my bad

[pallid onyx]

aha

[spring kiln]

thats what i would do

am also not an uber god arena rogue tho so someone else may have better advice for that

[pallid onyx]

are you above 1800?

[spring kiln]

was like 2.2 ish last season

[pallid onyx]

that should work then 🙂

[spring kiln]

xD

[grave pier]

for Outlaw

do we want 4 set?

@potent pivot

[formal pebble]

Sub rogue, BG Blitz, should I be using the Siren Isle ring over one of my Conq/Crafted rings?

And if so what gems?

[hollow niche]

I'd cheap shot, garrote, shiv then rupture. Then smoke and blind depending on situation

[pallid onyx]

but then, you are both using cheap stun and garrote at the same time

you are losing on CC

imagine a mage, you could just garrote and push some spells untill silence ends + end of the silence you can cheapshot, thats another DR, so a full time cheapshot. You can force a trinket or dish free damage

instead of that you are using both silence and stun DR at the same time, with no gain from CC, and you are losing damage. Also where is your Ambush

[severe helm]

yes

[severe helm]

no ring is nerfed

sub wants all crafted gear

as much mastery as possible

[topaz laurel]

How the hell you mitgate a DH's burst?

Disarm doesn't seem to work.

[formal pebble]

Oh all crafted interesting, Im LW so I can remedy that. What about tier Im rocking 2set rn cause 2 peices had verse so it made sense surface level

[potent pivot]

You want at least 2 set

Not all crafted

[severe helm]

yeah I would just copy what you see most people doing on murlok.io

its 2 pc then just about everything else crafted last time I checked

[formal pebble]

Im just missing cloak/belt compared to Murkio, Ill fix the belt since I can craft that myself, and just stick with the conq cloak. Thanks yall

[pallid onyx]

okay im not sure about this

but if DH damage is magic related, which im not %100 sure, with bait and switch talent, evasion would work with %20 magic damage reduction and %100 dodge rate

also again, if DH burst is containing more magical damage, cloak would work

im not sure but also feint would block eyebeam damage

%40 reduction

[potent pivot]

Some classes it’s better to cheap shot

[pallid onyx]

ofcourse for example warrior i won't open with garrote

thats like asking to get dumped on

[potent pivot]

Also don’t CT on 1 target

[pallid onyx]

CT? im sorry can you open it up?

[potent pivot]

Only CT if you can hit 2 or more targets, this includes pets though

[pallid onyx]

oh tempest

[potent pivot]

Ye

[pallid onyx]

okay im sorry im not good with abbreviations yet

okay now I understand

[potent pivot]

Ah my b

[pallid onyx]

I played rogue on Cata, sub though

[pallid onyx]

nah fam we good

like I am aware of the main strategy but

what I was trying to tell was basically won't want to put both silence and stun dr at the same time

[potent pivot]

CT does more damage based on how many targets you hit when applying it

[pallid onyx]

but if it's a no-silence class obviously doesn't matter

[potent pivot]

So if you can hit 1 player and 1 pet or 2 players or more

[potent pivot]

Ye but garrote alone only works on some stuff

[pallid onyx]

i didn't know that

[potent pivot]

[pallid onyx]

because in BG's i just garrote a mage and they move like I just crushed their keyboard

[potent pivot]

Silence doesn’t stop melee from doing anything really

[pallid onyx]

ofcourse

I know that

im talking about casters

[potent pivot]

Ye

Some casters can still do certain things

[pallid onyx]

im not aware of THAT

[potent pivot]

Mages are pretty much fucked, they can melee you with their weapon

[pallid onyx]

it won't do anything i assume XD

hit me with measly stick

[potent pivot]

It just stops you capping bases that’s all

Nothing in regular arena

[pallid onyx]

good tips

thanks

it'll take some time for me to get used to this class

[severe helm]

stops wars from using shouts haha

and actually stops dks/rets from using some utility

as a shadow priest I often silence the ret when im doing a stun fear on their healer so they cant sanc

its not entirely useless lol

[potent pivot]

Ye

Not saying it’s bad to do in general ofc

[hollow niche]

Yeah it's more of a 1 shot in the opener

[potent pivot]

Just that using cheap can better in some openers

[clever valley]

Stops ret from almost all utility

[pallid onyx]

ret imo is a hybrid class

you can ofc silence ret and gain some value

but it's more value than silencing a warrior depending on the situation and you gain even more from silencing a mage again, %99 of the time i guess

but yeah i get the idea

[woven glade]

Coming back from a long break, seems like sub doesnt have as much popularity in the top1% compared to sin/outlaw, any reason why?

[potent pivot]

because it's generally harder to get to the top 1% with it

[woven glade]

At the beginning of the xpac they were at the top no?

[potent pivot]

if you aren't in the top 1% it won't really matter

[woven glade]

I'm just wondering if there were nerfs

[jaunty osprey]

yeah they got rid of vanish reducing CDR

[woven glade]

I dont even play rogue

I'm a warrior im just curious

[severe helm]

people abandon sub very quickly when it isnt S tier

and its design often has it either performing very well or feeling very bad

it has some necessary breakpoints that it needs to be able to kill someone during otherwise it struggles

[hollow niche]

bruh

[pallid onyx]

yo what the

[severe helm]

well thats gotta be a bug right?

youd be knocked offline from tuesday maintenance lol

[safe pelican]

Leatrix gets it done here if anyone else wanted to know. Super clutch

[hollow niche]

yeah its a bug

i was queing yesterday

What are you guys using for Omnibar?

mines like bugged or some shit

[potent pivot]

wdym

[potent pivot]

like the profile we use or?

[hollow niche]

i mean mine isnt working like doesnt show cds or anything

and i get a disable addons option

[potent pivot]

can you screenshot

[hollow niche]

uhhh yeah holdup

may of fixed it

[potent pivot]

as long as you keep everything updated it should work fine usually

[hollow niche]

yeah well the omni bar update zip is 11.2

not 11.7

[potent pivot]

ye

it's been working fine for me so far

if you get any more errors try to screenshot

you could also get the bug addon

so you can check exactly what the error is coming from

these 2 addons iirc

[severe helm]

just use curseforge to manage addons

[potent pivot]

omnibar is on that same version on curse

[mystic pasture]

Stop eyebeam if you can. If they go into meta by jumping in as a demon then CC them like crazy and use evasion. Disarm only works for some things, silence might work? Their burst is related to eyebeam and the subsequent abilities that trigger demon surges. If you can CC them during and after EB, the demon surges wont be able to happen.

Dont hit into netherwalk or darkness. But blur is only 20 or 30% wall

[severe helm]

Or press feint

Cuz all their damage is aoe almost lol

Rogue should be near invulnerable to a dh

[severe helm]

Blur is 100% Dodge chance

Unless you have cheap shot ready I don't even bother hitting into it

But yeah gouging eyebeam goes hard

[mystic pasture]

Forgot about the omni directional dodge

Yeah on my DH, rogues are the worst match up.

[severe helm]

The omni directional part is the most annoying to me

[mystic pasture]

Oh! And hide from rain from above if they use it.

Whats the trick to fighting frost mages? They seem to have far too many blinks and resets. Obviously easier with both vanishes and cloak available, but that is a lot of CDs to trade

[neon spade]

Kingsbane question - what triggers it? can it actually get to 1000%? Any way to make that happen faster? I’m just going into assassin rogue pvp - it’s pretty sweet - but I’m still wrapping my head around the interactions

[potent pivot]

kingsbane's DoT damage ramps

each tick does more and more damage based on your weapon poison applications

[terse thicket]

Hi all, for assa pvp, what honor items should i buy initially?

I've been using pawn as addon and i think it made me buy the wrong ones, focusing on pve

[potent pivot]

for honor gear just get anything with vers/mastery on it

[terse thicket]

yeah, i have almost nothing on mastery, lol

[potent pivot]

then haste/vers or cit/vers on any slots that don't have mastery, it won't matter because you replace honor gear very quickly

[terse thicket]

pawn made me focus on haste

[potent pivot]

yes pawn is for pve and i don't think it's even very good for pve

[terse thicket]

336 mastery, 6480 haste...

[potent pivot]

just start focusing on getting bloody token gear

and conquest gear

[terse thicket]

yeah, i'm was getting to that conclusion myself

ok, mastery and vers > haste > crit

At least I have enough Honor to buy everything again if needed

I was leveling toons with timewalking then a friend of mine told me its possible to earn domination in solo games

I had no idead, now I'm focusing on those

Do you guys got some material for rogues on arena, how to behave? What to do?

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BLu9aUh5U

[terse thicket]

I played one solo minutes ago, got focused really hard

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/solo#gear

[terse thicket]

Nice

[potent pivot]

there's a guide on all the different gearing systems

and murlok will show you what items people use

[terse thicket]

Yeah, for gear in general, If I upgrade then, It affects pvp ilvl as well?

[potent pivot]

no

upgrading only changes the pve ilvl

honor/bloody token/conquest gear all scales up to pvp ilvl when you enter pvp

if you're newer to pvp then jumping straight into solo shuffle with honor gear and no practice is going to be pretty rough at first

[terse thicket]

Hum, just took the time to see what the other NPCs were selling

[potent pivot]

might want to do a bunch of BGs, arena skirmishes and maybe some blitz etc to get the hang of things like rotation and using cc etc

[terse thicket]

Gonna replace some for Bloody Token gear, start with daggers

[potent pivot]

only buy 1 dagger from bloody tokens

offhand weapon is one of the lowest dps increases for rogue

[terse thicket]

Yeah, came back after quiting on Shadowlands, and back there I only focused on M+ and random pvp

Ranked pvp is just on another level

At first I got really nervous and confused

Gotta spam pvp to become used to it

[potent pivot]

yeh

pvp takes a lot of knowledge and practice

as soon as you get used to doing your rotation and using cc you should be fine to jump into shuffle

its just rough if you're still trying to learn those

[languid ravine]

YO ´sup internet today I learned that all my PC Fans were PWM but set to DC in bios how is your day going mine is wonderful

its like so quiet

[mystic pasture]

Seems like deeper strategem and supercharger are almost the same thing, is there a reason to pick one over another? I play Assassination and usually Kingsbane if that matters

[potent pivot]

deeper strat is 1 extra combo point at all times, and 5% extra base finisher dmg

[mystic pasture]

Vs just during shiv window

[potent pivot]

supercharger makes your supercharger finishers do damage as if you spent 2 or 3 extra combo points

so like it makes a 9 combo point envenom possible for example

[mystic pasture]

So more burst and during the kingsbane window

Seems like the pick for me

[potent pivot]

running kingsbane doesn't really matter

for the choice

[mystic pasture]

No, but I press shiv during KB

[potent pivot]

like i personally prefer running KB+MA and supercharger

but you can run KB+MA without it

[mystic pasture]

I have been running KB + MA

[potent pivot]

ye

all i'm saying is

running KB+MA isn't dependent on supercharger

you can play vigor+tea with KB+MA

or lethality+cold blood with KB+MA

or supercharger+forced induction with KB+MA

they're all viable options basically

[mystic pasture]

CB really? For KB?

[potent pivot]

a couple people run it ye

[jaunty osprey]

lmaoooo

3 of the top 4 spots in shuffle

are me

[mystic pasture]

Gatekeeping like a boss

[mystic pasture]

Fate or deathstalker?

[potent pivot]

deathstalker

[mystic pasture]

feels like i am rarely able to get the darkest night envenom off, whats the secret to it? Or why do you prefer DS?

[potent pivot]

you should be able to consume DN a few times per match at least

DS is just all around better really. defensively and damage wise

[jaunty osprey]

https://i.imgur.com/8nGQe0W.png

lmaooo

4 of the top 5

need to get 4/4 top of NA shuffle ladder

[red pebble]

Been playing assa shuffles recently, should I trade cloak or evasion ASAP with enemy offensives at the start of the game or save it for when my healer is CC'd?

[jaunty osprey]

if your healer isnt ccd

technically no need to trade

if u die, that's on them

[red pebble]

Aight gotta trust my mate more

[waxen meteor]

depends on lobby level....

if you are in lower level lobby, rational decision can be a bad/unskilled decision like in high level lobbies

[red pebble]

Yeh Im stuck at 2300cr and If i don't trade at the opener we end up overlapping cds like pain sup/cocoon

[waxen meteor]

2300 isn't that bad, tbh i don't see why we need to use cd at open, i feel we need to save a cd when healer got cced

[mystic pasture]

Isn't that bad! its top 200! damn good I'd say

[waxen meteor]

True

Tbh in solo overlapping defensive cd happens a lot…

It’s frustrated but wasting single cd normally doesn’t necessarily make you lose, I feel less cd exchange like in organized 3s

[normal zealot]

could anyone point me in the right direction of how i get the Kareshi set items?

[verbal field]

Pvp vendors in dornogal where you can buy honor/conquest/bloody tokens set items

[normal zealot]

but those are called all "forged ... ..." I thought thats something different?

the forged gladiator pieces look like the same artstyle in the shop icon

but they are called different and not "Kareshi Phantoms ...."?

[verbal field]

Kareshi phantom is pve set

[normal zealot]

oh....

So i just need the forged gladiator pieces with which cost conquest

damn icy veins, confusing me all day long.
Tyvm @verbal field

[potent pivot]

no

you have to use the Catalyst to turn conquest gear into the Kareshi set

for your tier set

[potent pivot]

what

[verbal field]

oh yeah

nvm

[inner tartan]

surv is sleeper ez

i did pack leader bomb hit so hard

[normal zealot]

Sorry, what is the catalyst?

[potent pivot]

it's the thing you use to catalyze gear into tier set

[potent pivot]

sentinel slaps

pack leader's bomb cdr feedback loop is fun af though

[inner tartan]

or is it better

shit i should run it then

[potent pivot]

sentinel is better yeah

[inner tartan]

o kek welp didnt matter

[potent pivot]

pack leader uses butchery cdr

and bomb cdr

[inner tartan]

ik i did

[potent pivot]

so they feedback loop

its very fun

and it's not bad or anything

sentinel just passively does a shit load of damage

[inner tartan]

i used the m+ i run but it not as good as the offical one but still has high overall in m+

ik i saw

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-BLu9aUh5U

check out that gearing guide

[inner tartan]

how is demo lock btw any one im getting fast elite sets good ok or bad

[potent pivot]

demo is okay i think

aff is just better

[inner tartan]

i hate playing aff

[potent pivot]

really

[inner tartan]

how much better is just better like stupid better or a good junk better

xdddd

[potent pivot]

aff is the only spec i really like

at least when i tried lock back in SL

[inner tartan]

o

no i like demo dont realy care for the other 2

[potent pivot]

aff is pretty disgusting rn

[inner tartan]

ok i will try both then if it tought as demo i try afl if i get 1800 ez as demo i still try aff

[potent pivot]

demo/destro are both viable still

[inner tartan]

im going to bed thou that will be fridays jop

[potent pivot]

either way 1800 is piss easy

[inner tartan]

i was on my rogue and recked destro and was at 2100 cr but i dunno could have been some one bad

[potent pivot]

yeh i mean even up to 2400 you still run into shitters sometimes

[inner tartan]

his team mate kept diieing first to cleave thou

ya ik

it sucks

hate game were a healer or dps losses every round

ok me sleep now night pvp nerds 🤣

[potent pivot]

[hidden dome]

that moment you queue into Blitz, all happy that you finally got a match

and you notice it is a tank lobby

I wish they would just remove tanks from PvP and spend that design and balancing effort on dps and heals instead

[potent pivot]

better than a tank shuffle lobby ain't it?

[hidden dome]

True

I hate those even more

[stoic spruce]

What?? Those are the best

Specifically prot pally lobbies. I'm neutral to dps tanks

[safe pelican]

Lmaooooo mannnn I jinx myself speaking too highly of bgb teammates

Went 1-6 this weekend one of the losses were honestly my fault and another i could’ve made a game changing cap…. But the rest , holy fucking hell i might get banned cause i went off in chat on a silvershard game whole team went lava 2400 MMR

[hidden dome]

I stopped playing on my rogue to avoid further reports. People around 2.4 are a special kind of hell

You losing rating and hours of time because blizz puts you into unwinnable games 4 times in a row

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooo i don’t even know what came over me i just stopped playing and rained hell in the chat

[safe pelican]

Yea the algorithm got me last night i got so mad i just kept playing until i won lol that’s why i went 1-6 smh

[normal zealot]

Tyvm 😘

[hidden dome]

You play and grind for hours, loss after loss, even if you give 110% and then some 0 impact, 0 xp boosted warlock starts talking the most stupid shit you ever heard in a game. It is like it is designed to get you to say something out of pocket.

This is why I instead focus now on getting the last few elite sets I'm still missing

[safe pelican]

Oh one of the loses we played temple of kot it was 1000 -646 we were winning my team decided to engage in a mass team fight and allow the enemy team to comeback and win from a 400 point deficit

I lie to you not

[hidden dome]

Kotmogu is always a pure horror

Removing that bg from the pool would actually improve Blitz experience by a factor of a thousand

I was 3 wins away from 2.4 on my rogue and then a chain of 2 kotmogus started my losing streak

One had a rank 1 demo lock who just trolled, because he was on his affi and rating on his alt spec didn't matter to him, he just wanted to do damage. (his words)

[wraith tangle]

Report those players. This is clear game sabotage

[hidden dome]

I did, but I doubt it did anything

[gusty hedge]

teams stay throwing matches at end when we been ahead all game lol they get complacent and stip playing objectives and bam loss after loss when it should've been a dub Main account suspended atm from lobbies like this 😭

[indigo hill]

Anyone got a good WA for RTB?

[broken otter]

I turn off my chat in all rated content nowadays

For the health of my bnet account lol

[normal zealot]

Looking at the gear of this guy https://murlok.io/character/eu/ravencrest/finnëas/pvp#gear
He only has 1 ring it says? Or does he just have the same ring twice? or is it just buggy?

[jaunty osprey]

I see that

[hidden dome]

ye I just did the same.

I have to solo carry games anyway. If I don't I just lose. No reason to communicate with people with negative winrates at 1.8

They have no clue what they are talking about 99% of the time anyway

[normal zealot]

ah damn, the website wasnt loading for me fully. I can see it now as well >.<

[normal zealot]

should i be upgrading here for pvp or is this just pve relevant?

[wraith tangle]

Just pve relevant

[normal zealot]

ah i see, thank you

[pearl dune]

What spec so you guys feel is the most consistently doing there dps? Like a nice high and flat profile?

[jaunty osprey]

Assa!

[pearl dune]

Negative

[jaunty osprey]

What even is that question then?

[pearl dune]

Any spec not just rogue

[outer sky]

probably Havoc DH then

[jaunty osprey]

Top consistent damage wise, assa rogue, aff lock, ele shaman

[severe helm]

Yeah still assa haha

[hollow niche]

Assassin depends on if ur hitting everything

[severe helm]

they all depend on if youre doing a good job lol

[jaunty osprey]

Ya. It’s still Assa rogue

which is why I didn’t get that question

[severe helm]

Yeah assa by design is meant to just do constant pressure with almost no cooldowns

outside of death mark its biggest cd is 30s

or I guess vanish

[mystic pasture]

Havoc is heavily dependent on meta burst rn. It’s much less flat than it was last expac.

[indigo hill]

Havoc got a massive buff or what?

[safe pelican]

Lmao don’t you worry bro I’m going to be suspended soon at this rate keeping faith alive

Turning the chat completely off in rated is diabolical lmao, bro said everyone før themselves 🤣 i still need chat for incs and stuff like that sometimes the chat wins the game or when i have a ping master on my team they are often the reason we win from mass pinging gunna keybind that better today i have it as shift-D need it off shift for how much i have to spam
It

To end my rant from earlier, the whole bgb blitz then went downhill once i started letting other people call the shots or tell me what to do, then you end up depending on someone else to get the job done that you could’ve done and if they don’t you blame them and yourself cause your usually sitting a base when you should be ninjaing a base or something so im just done listening to people unless i know bro is going to carry us to Valhalla

[safe pelican]

Reported 🤣

[indigo hill]

I've noticed people throw the game right at the beginning. Its like they're getting paid for it. Had a pala healer just running around and ending the game with 40m healing.

[bleak dagger]

I wouldn’t turn off chat in bgb, shuff been off for a while.

Only thing I say is in the beginning ie: “I’m going x, need sitter for y” “boomkin or need 1 to come with me x”**- something simple and straightforward without any need of explanation. I don’t yell anymore or tell others what to do, this has been working better for me. Results may very

[indigo hill]

For the first time ever i have reached 2k!

[severe helm]

hate to say it but no ones getting payed to throw at low rating

more likely theyre just bad/distracted/etc lol

[indigo hill]

Yeah, i don't mean that literally. 😄

[wraith tangle]

Any specific way to play assa in shuffle? Or just bleed everything, silence and stun everything on DR -> profit. I have been playing mostly blitz on my rogue, but it is time to push some arena

[hollow niche]

Try and hit all 3 people when u come out of stealth.

Cc healer disarm dks and shit

[copper gorge]

bis stats pvp outlaw?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

10% haste then just vers>crit

[copper gorge]

ty

[jolly sierra]

heyo guys, how are u

played cata classic, grabbed a boe and got it equipped and was called a good person for not picking it and leaving lol

[spring bough]

So I slipped up and talked mad shit in a game or two a few days ago…. And now I’m nervously checking my emails multiple times daily 😭

[hollow niche]

U have an addiction

[spring bough]

Rolled need on a BOE??

[jolly sierra]

ironically

i had a worse item

so i rolled and geared up

[potent pivot]

bro... why

[spring bough]

Rolling need on BOE in classic such risky business lol

[jolly sierra]

if you ran w it, if you said than you already equipped it

and they check indeed is like that

they let u go

[spring bough]

Cause I was absolutely demolishing and I got a lil too overzealous 😂

[normal zealot]

is 14 min queue time for rated normal?

[potent pivot]

for shuffle/blitz ye

[normal zealot]

wild

[potent pivot]

always been that way really

lack of healers compared to dps

[normal zealot]

i just started pvp and wow in general, so idk how it was before :p

[normal zealot]

i see

[potent pivot]

2v2/3v3 queue times are a lot faster

[normal zealot]

but you need teammates for those right?

[potent pivot]

yep

[normal zealot]

[jolly sierra]

once they announce end season i will push from the almost 2k i have w the rog

i think it stacked till 2k2-2k3

w my absense in MMR

im going w the monk meanwhile

to get 1k8

[molten hedge]

On better blizz plates can u change the font/size of the numbers inside the Debuffs?

[potent pivot]

Ummm

Give me a bit and I’ll check

[safe pelican]

This is the way. We must fight back and let the blitz plebs know that them playing correctly is worth more to us than us actually being allowed to play the game.

[molten hedge]

Ok thanks. I can’t find it. Surely there’s a way

[stoic spruce]

In my defense, my game freezes at the beginning for some reason

[stoic spruce]

Based

Do it again

No

Send them junk mail

[mystic pasture]

Not really, but not sure yet. They were more ignored than rogues until the latest patch notes. But the most recent patch removed a talent that made all their damage chaos damage and allowed it to benefit from mastery. Supposedly, there will be adjustments to make up for that, but we haven’t seen them yet. As it stands, the hero tree everyone plays just got a massive nerf.

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot it was omnicc lol

i couldnt see shit bc the numbers were so large lol

[outer sky]

Finally grinded back to 2.4

[molten hedge]

Is ur afflic friend cracked? I could use a locks guidance lmao @outer sky

[outer sky]

Idk he's definitely better than most of the locks I've found in lfg. Sometimes he's weird about how he plays his port and I often wish he would push in more with me but nobody's perfect and this guy is leaps and bounds better than any other lock I've played with this season. If I queue with someone else I'll tank like 200 rating in half an hour then ill queue with him and get it all back

[quiet hemlock]

what's this take

is this like how you're actually supposed to do the map

scoreboard for reference

[jaunty osprey]

ya you did it right

dw

[quiet hemlock]

i just can't man

[normal zealot]

Are there pvp focused discords with different resources? Like best addons, addon setups, pvp mechanic guides?
Or is most of this stuff just on youtube?

Or like how to play different battlegrounds based on a role etc

[potent pivot]

you can find general stuff on youtube

skillcapped's youtube has some decent beginner stuff for addons/a little arena stuff

as far as blitz goes you can just search for a generic blitz guide

[normal zealot]

okay, gotcha

[normal zealot]

Do you maybe some experience with skillcappeds training subscription?

Just curious if its worth spending some dollores to get gud at this game

[potent pivot]

well that's really a decision you gotta make, but no i've never used it myself

[normal zealot]

hm okay, i was looking for other reviews about it online but couldnt find anything decent tbh

[potent pivot]

i think they make some good stuff, just never checked it out

[potent pivot]

i just looked at that first one, has a few people giving their takes

[normal zealot]

yeah thats the one i saw as well

[wraith tangle]

Their addons settings is awesome, but otherwise it is a bit meh. Info about classes, ratations etc is kind of basic a you acn find it on yt for free

[normal zealot]

i see, thx for the feedback

[safe pelican]

Bro carries , be honest 🤣😜

[safe pelican]

I have skill capped and it’s good for learning classes you never played before and just ironing out some bad habits you might have alot of people say it’s not worth it but a lot of those people are the same people that have been playing the game for 20 years so if you’re new to anything class/ spec wise they are helpful in getting you off the ground basically with rotation and positioning for arena etc etc … outside of this it’s just skin in the game got get your feet wet

[normal zealot]

that sounds like exactly what im looking for. Tyvm for your feedback as well. Ill give it a try

[pallid onyx]

hi guys

as assassination, I feel like after some point I do zero damage and zero pressure.

I know this isn't the case for many, can someone give me few advices?

[normal zealot]

So what do you guys usually do when waiting for pvp queues?

[inner tartan]

make a 2s group and then leave solo shuffle que

xd xd i dont do solo shuffle much so i dunno put propaly farming old raids or who knows

[indigo hill]

Skinning. Killing some rares. Write some story. Watch YouTube.

[normal zealot]

[rancid mist]

I've been watching YouTube between queues. Or playing a mobile game, or something similar.

[indigo hill]

Been watching allot of exploration videos. They're fun imo.

[normal zealot]

Like those people going to wild places?

[indigo hill]

Yeah those.

[normal zealot]

Yeah thats pretty cool tbh

[rancid mist]

What's the best way to deal with Demon Hunters? I'm getting the hang of tackling most classes, but I just cannot figure out how to handle DH's. They just seem like huge HP sponges that push out non-stop damage

As a Sub rogue, that is.

[indigo hill]

I mostly follow hidden azeroth, hayven games and allthingsnerd. The last one is still actively uploading.

[pallid onyx]

i really need some coaching lmao

I got stuck here with %50 winrate

every match i play is draw

I got to 1800 with my fury warrior easily and felt like actually im impacting something, while on assa rogue i feel like im kind of in mercy of others tbh

i get cooked against double caster comps and range comps who can stay away from each other so I cannot really cleave

i feel like impacting the games less and less when match goes on and on, sometimes people even ignore me while im hitting them

on later stages of the round

sometimes i pull a crazy CC chain on enemy healer or they don't know what to do i end up kidney + blinding them which results in autowin but other than that I cannot meet my win conditions, and since I get less and less win matches and a lot of draw matches I get teammates that doesn't communicate or doesn't feel like damaging our main target at all it's so weird

is there anyone around 2k exp or cr to tell me what are they doing and what are their win condition is?

[digital rock]

my advice is stop playing assa

but i am a noob

[pallid onyx]

which spec would you play?

@digital rock

[digital rock]

i like outlaw because i feel like at low MMR most peoples brains are just beggining to understand hte concept of trading cooldowns and what to trinket but as outlaw it really doesnt matter what the fuck you do because your shit comes up off alignment with their defensives so you can pretty much just run your script as it comes up and eventually it works out

i am currently only about 2100 cr and i mostly play blitz tho so i prefer outlaw for that mostly

[pallid onyx]

what about sub

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m stuck between 2100 and 2300, I am still learning how to do max damage and cc as outlaw. It’s super high apm, and I’m old and washed.

Shuffle*

[pallid onyx]

I feel like sub has more control

[digital rock]

sub is just assa but with more effort

[pallid onyx]

hmm

you say

but how

like on assa i feel like im not doing enough sometimes

[digital rock]

outlaws whole gimmick is the more buttons you push, the faster your buttons come up. that doesnt apply to the other two so the enemy team will always know 'the rogue has cooldowns in X seconds' and save their reactions for it

[pallid onyx]

if the match goes on and on and on then I start doing absolutely nothing

sitting there, no energy, no cooldowns

no thistle tea

[indigo hill]

Outlaw is allot of fun in blitz imo. Got good control and mobility. Maybe not the number 1 spec for blitz but I can work with it. Allot better than in arenas.

[pallid onyx]

I feel like sub has more options to work with

i wonder what did you mean by "same with more steps"

[digital rock]

assa has a more simplified damage profile

sub you need to do a little more forethought and ability coordination

you have more frequent cc windows yea but if your teammate isnt doing anything during them

then it doesnt matter

[pallid onyx]

like for example if i need something I need to use a vanish charge which is basically your only re-stealth, and you have 2 charges which you can use both defensively and offensively

you fuck up early, you give 1 free charge to the enemy

[digital rock]

i mean again as outlaw it doesnt matter if you fuck up your CDs because theyll be back within a minute

[pallid onyx]

yeah i see

[digital rock]

like yea you shoudlnt mess up but, it gives you a little more room to work with

like pk said tho its very spammy, very high apm

[pallid onyx]

apm i don't mind