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safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 12:53 AM

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Can i have it in English please but im gunna assume you’re talking about sub rogue one shotting people and yes sub rogue can kill most classes in a stun with all CDS if they don’t have trinket ,

spring bough Jan 11, 2025, 12:57 AM

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knowledge of timeways 30% xp inc is insane for alt leveling lol

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especially with 25% from warband lol

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 12:59 AM

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This dude needs to get out more

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Dude went 1-5 in a lobby with me and smoke bomb got him the 1 win and now he's like spamming me with doom and gloom

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safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 1:03 AM

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Bro is immensely grateful for his one win

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XD

odd yew Jan 11, 2025, 1:03 AM

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Serious question, wtf do I do against a WW monk in shuffle as assassin? I always feel like I get my ass handed to me every single time

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 1:05 AM

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odd yew Serious question, wtf do I do against a WW monk in shuffle as assassin? I always...

Need a little more info than that

odd yew Jan 11, 2025, 1:05 AM

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Like idk how to play against WW they sit on me and I die

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 1:06 AM

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well you can cheap shot through fists of fury parry

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you can cloak off their karma

fallen scaffold Jan 11, 2025, 1:06 AM

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feel like i totally own ww as assa

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 1:06 AM

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Still got evasion too

spring bough Jan 11, 2025, 1:07 AM

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outer sky Dude went 1-5 in a lobby with me and smoke bomb got him the 1 win and now he's l...

you saved that mans life lmao

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 1:07 AM

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he's still going

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 1:07 AM

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Now I’m concerned lol

spring bough Jan 11, 2025, 1:07 AM

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bro buy this guy a beer or something lmao

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 1:08 AM

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Mans making Tich look bad tell him tighten up lol

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 1:15 AM

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Lets see how I do into this WW lobby

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4-2. Same as the WW. It should have been 5-1 though. The priest trolled me really hard one game and let me die while he still had swap. And we were seconds from winning

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Most annoying thing about monks, any spec, is that they can disarm from a distance

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its a shorter distance than it used to be

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but still

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 1:28 AM

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Why does warlock have 3 different stuns that arent on dr?

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 1:33 AM

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severe helm Why does warlock have 3 different stuns that arent on dr?

Because blizz pet class while rogue is red headed step child

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Its just crazy theyre all instant cast aoe stuns that dont share a dr with eachother haha destro has more cc than rogue genuinely

spring bough Jan 11, 2025, 1:58 AM

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i count fear as a stun

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never breaks no matter what i get hit with

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locks are ridic. then the horror fear too

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 2:01 AM

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Oh then thats 4 lol

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infernal stun + shadowfury + coil are the ones I was thinking

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super toxic all aoe and 2 are instant

halcyon timber Jan 11, 2025, 2:10 AM

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axe toss from the wwe guy too and the secondary one they can call out

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 2:11 AM

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at least those share dr

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infernal stun off dr is insane to me

halcyon timber Jan 11, 2025, 2:11 AM

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yeh just listing all of them in case new guys are in here reading on what all stuns warlocks have

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infernal is what? like 2s? Never really noticed (still a pain in the butt, but yeah)

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 2:12 AM

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yeah 2

halcyon timber Jan 11, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Coil is considered an incap (horrify?) iirc what the tooltip said. It's been a while since I've read their crap.

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 2:14 AM

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incap yeah

halcyon timber Jan 11, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Sometimes the abilities like to get additional hooks to them on builds like the DH dodging nonsense and you never would have truly known unless you read up on it that it is intentional.

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But yeah, thank you for clarifying, didn't know if some crap changed in the last build or 2

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 2:16 AM

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oh you mean glimpse?

halcyon timber Jan 11, 2025, 2:16 AM

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blur dodging from behind

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 2:16 AM

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oh yeah

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not sure why they did that

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glimpse also pisses me off

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cuz it technically lasts forever

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as long as you dont touch the ground

halcyon timber Jan 11, 2025, 2:16 AM

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b/c q.q dh no gud if me no ridiculous

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yeah glimpse with their nasty hobo feet

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accidental backflip into a tony hawk reign from above to kazuya tekken 6 laser you

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xD

stiff cedar Jan 11, 2025, 3:09 AM

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severe helm cuz it technically lasts forever

technically speaking it doesn't. if you go on dh and glimpse off a cliff and then glide, despite the fact that the buff shows as having no duration, it WILL eventually change to showing as having a duration, and then run out. practically speaking for arena that means absolutely nothing because you'll never be able to keep yourself off the ground that long, but it technically does have a duration. i think the only application to that for arena is that if you glimpse and then reign from above, you'll maintain the buff including the wall effect for most of it but i think it runs out before you actually hit the ground. don't quote me on that, it definitely at least covers like 70% of the duration

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 3:09 AM

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I have yet to see a ledge tall enough to trigger that

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I can glide off the base in twin peaks

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and have glimpse until I reach the other side of the map lol

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and cant be cced at all during that t6ime

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a good 15-20 seconds lol

stiff cedar Jan 11, 2025, 3:10 AM

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i just remember noticing from when i was screwing around last xpac and glimpsed off of valdrakken. its a very very long time (or, they've changed it since then, that could totally be the case)

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don't get me wrong it's very insane i'm not arguing that at all lmao

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 3:27 AM

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Yeah I mean "effectively" infinite

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 3:58 AM

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Y'all remember when rogues literally took 0 fall damage

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we could jump off the top of Dalaran and not take any dam

hot vessel Jan 11, 2025, 4:46 AM

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Hi, do you have a talent tree for open world PvP and bg ? one that does both, or is it not possible? Do I need to have two separate trees? for Rogue Assa

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 5:01 AM

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Midnight queues? Fuck it why not

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 5:06 AM

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hot vessel Hi, do you have a talent tree for open world PvP and bg ? one that does both, or...

nah you should be fine to use 1 build for pretty much everything, just check what people use for arena on murlok.io

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there's also a build in the pins that's a bit different from the most popular build on murlok.io, it's also good

hot vessel Jan 11, 2025, 5:09 AM

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potent pivot nah you should be fine to use 1 build for pretty much everything, just check wha...

Okay, thanks ! because I stopped playing in BFA and just came back, and the talent trees are a bit confusing.

hazy monolith Jan 11, 2025, 5:18 AM

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stiff cedar technically speaking it doesn't. if you go on dh and glimpse off a cliff and the...

you are

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just glimpse into RFA

hot vessel Jan 11, 2025, 5:20 AM

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potent pivot nah you should be fine to use 1 build for pretty much everything, just check wha...

Oh, Murlko.io is amazing, thank you so much!

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 5:21 AM

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salutege

hazy monolith Jan 11, 2025, 5:24 AM

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you can also double glimpse into double fel rushand will run out

stiff cedar Jan 11, 2025, 5:25 AM

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hazy monolith just glimpse into RFA

yes, what i was contesting is that glimpse has (or used to have) a maximum duration, i found it and it's 7 seconds, and it does not last the full duration of RFA, which has a max duration of 10 seconds, so in fact it's exactly 70% coverage like i thought I remembered. if its been changed this xpac, I've never seen it in any blue notes. I'm in the process of cloning and updating my drives so I can't log atm but here's an older example showcasing both of those things (it is time stamped to where applicable) https://youtu.be/XlofpF8w470?si=jsxLMcMnygdix4YF&t=56

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hazy monolith Jan 11, 2025, 5:27 AM

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rfa is a meme tho

stiff cedar Jan 11, 2025, 5:27 AM

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oh yeah absolutely

hazy monolith Jan 11, 2025, 5:28 AM

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i only use it into double melee

stiff cedar Jan 11, 2025, 5:28 AM

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although there's like 2 people who play 20% haste dh bc they enjoy it and they swear rfa isn't bad and i imagine it's definitely better with 20% haste bc i remember at one point when it was 10% max hp the play was to meta and then RFA with the haste meta gave you so you could like machine gun fire but that doesn't mean they're actually right lmao

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i think using it as like a pseudo-defensive if your healer is just struggling to keep up isn't that bad but taking it for dmg is pretty troll. like i could see a scenario where, you have the healer that's going 0-6 on your team for that round you take rfa to try to keep yourself alive long enough to get 1 win with the healer and go positive or etc

hazy monolith Jan 11, 2025, 5:35 AM

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you can def kill with it if people stay in it

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meta eye beam rfa for max haste

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but then theres the range, too

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so you force healer in if hes far away

stoic spruce Jan 11, 2025, 5:46 AM

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outer sky he's still going

If you didnt screenshot this, no one would believe you lol

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 5:47 AM

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stoic spruce If you didnt screenshot this, no one would believe you lol

I was the recipient and I hardly believe it

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 6:27 AM

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Queue times assss that’s a wrap

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 7:00 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/angry-kitty-gif-25875043

Tenor

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cruising on uppppp

normal zealot Jan 11, 2025, 12:00 PM

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Does anyone have any recommendations for a newbie for pvp?

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This game is so complicated. There are so many things happening at once lol

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Where should i start? How can i even begin improving?

indigo hill Jan 11, 2025, 12:38 PM

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Check out some guides on youtube and players on twitch. Get a feeling for your rotation. Also failing is the best way to learn what doesn't work.

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 12:44 PM

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dont do random bgs

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they are so much worst then rated content

native glacier Jan 11, 2025, 1:15 PM

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normal zealot Where should i start? How can i even begin improving?

Learn your rotation first than start queing random bgs, skirms or if you have a friend que 2s. All three are low stress and simple ways you can practice. Once you are comfortable doing your rotation on other players start thinking about trading cooldowns and using your utility effectively. It all comes with time dont try to do too much early on just get comfortable

verbal field Jan 11, 2025, 1:47 PM

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okay okay assa is also fun.

hardy tinsel Jan 11, 2025, 2:08 PM

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Do you know any cool or flashy for killing blow/killstreak addon or weakaura?

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I wanna spice up my pvp experience a bit

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:09 PM

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hardy tinsel Do you know any cool or flashy for killing blow/killstreak addon or weakaura?

i know there's a popular thing people have used a lot in the past that has a gunshot sound effect for killing blows

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idr where it's from

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:10 PM

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my goblin rogue in combat with the rtbh hast buff has 40 percent hast : ) from box gear lmfaoooo

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it kinda poped of in solo thou

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:10 PM

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hardy tinsel I wanna spice up my pvp experience a bit

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-blow-sound-addon/1270773/3

World of Warcraft Forums

Killing Blow Sound Addon

I’m a noob, how do i get that?

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there's links to some WAs and an addon that'll let you use your own mp3s

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:11 PM

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any one got a fun wa or macro for outlaw when u roll or 5 buffs

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all

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:13 PM

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for what function exactly

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:14 PM

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like a chat macro or something entertaining

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:14 PM

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you'd have to manually press it i think

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you could prolly make a WA to do it

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:15 PM

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ya that what i assumed but im bad with making wa and macros

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:15 PM

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when it sees 5 buffs it does a /say macro

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i'm not aware of anything like that existing

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though i'm sure it could be done

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i still need to add some /say macros to some of my abilities for shuffle

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that shit seems kinda helpful

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:16 PM

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it would proc of the count the odds talent and that normal always up another thing is there a macro that will press feint if it not already up ( more for next season ) it would be soem condiction macro but i cant make macros

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:17 PM

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you can't condition a macro that way

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:17 PM

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ahh ok

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:17 PM

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you can make a macro that stops you from double feinting

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like if you spam your feint bind too much it's easy to double cast it now that it's off gcd

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:18 PM

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ooo can u show or send

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:18 PM

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ya 1 sec

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:18 PM

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inner tartan ooo can u show or send

/castsequence reset=2 Feint,null 
/cqs```

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there

inner tartan Jan 11, 2025, 2:18 PM

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ty ty

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imma save that then i need sleep

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👍 ok ty

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:29 PM

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So, for pvp, how do you guys usually open? I'm going with Garrote, Ambush/Mutilate till 7 combo points to use Rupture, then It depends if I want to try to kill, then I go all in, or I keep generating combo points to use Envenom

I don't know It doesn't fill that great to open like that, I mean, my last experience with Rogue was Bastion Subterfuge in Shadowlands, with an gigantic burst damage, and If I recall correctly, assassin rogues had a pretty decent burst damage and the bleeding was surreal, in Legion, It just doesn't feel the same, I don't know, maybe I should try Sub...

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:30 PM

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terse thicket So, for pvp, how do you guys usually open? I'm going with Garrote, Ambush/Mutila...

in arena? or

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:30 PM

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Well, both, arenas and bgs

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:30 PM

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well in arena you want to try to sap someone on the enemy team before you open

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then

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:30 PM

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Right now I'm not playing ranked, learning to pvp

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:30 PM

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you usually want to open with a cheap shot

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then garrote->ambush->rupture

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you don't need to force 7 combo points

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the only time you force 7 combo points is to consume Darkest Night with a 7cp envenom

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also

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:31 PM

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Hmm

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So 5~6 all good?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:31 PM

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use fan of knives to build combo points

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:31 PM

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terse thicket So 5~6 all good?

5+ just like pve yes

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the only time you use Mutilate is if you can only hit 1 target, or you don't want to break CC (like your Sap, or any other soft CC)

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:33 PM

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Really?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:33 PM

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yeah

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if you can hit 2 or more targets and won't break CC you use Fan of Knives

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:33 PM

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The 5+, the fan of knives, It changes everything

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:34 PM

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we mostly use all the same rules as pve other than the fan of knives

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we just have to factor in using CC way more than pve

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:37 PM

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Yes, I have all my CCs with macros to alternate between target and focus

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But that's hard to control, for a beginner like me, it will take time to get used to it

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Baby steps 😄

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:38 PM

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yeah it takes time and practice

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pvp is very much trial and error for learning

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:38 PM

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And I don't like the recommended addons, too much polution, I can't understand a think

wintry dew Jan 11, 2025, 2:39 PM

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you don't NEED them

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they get better the better you get

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:39 PM

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Ppl in general go with WeakAuras to have all the CDs and combos attached to the character?

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I'm using an aura to show below my character the skills that I used so I know If the 5 times I pressed stun or rupture worked or I need to press a 6th time 😅

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:41 PM

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wintry dew they get better the better you get

I believe that with time and practice I'll be able to read better the information on the addons and etc..

wintry dew Jan 11, 2025, 2:42 PM

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thats exactly it

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:42 PM

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I'm going after a pvp guild now, to see If I can learned with the others

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:43 PM

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terse thicket Ppl in general go with WeakAuras to have all the CDs and combos attached to the ...

that's a lot less popular in pvp

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it's a lot more important to track your enemy's CDs than only your own

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:43 PM

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Does Gladius shows the dots I have on someone?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:44 PM

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nop

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:44 PM

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I mean, to not wast a rupture or something like that

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:44 PM

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gladius is for tracking CC diminishing returns and enemy trinkets and such

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i would recommend getting BetterBlizzPlates to track your bleeds

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:44 PM

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I'm using the skill capped páckage

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:45 PM

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ye that should come with BetterBlizzPlates

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:45 PM

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Yes, It Is among the others

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:46 PM

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ye that package of addons should be pretty much all you need

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:46 PM

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I'm having a hard time finding my target in all the mess, specially If there's a BM hunter or something like that...

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Maybe I'm missing some addon configuration

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Or I messed up

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The hp bars on top of the foes are gone

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:47 PM

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if you downloaded the free version of skillcapped then the addons won't be fully configured

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oh that's probably just your nameplate setting

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in default settings

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:48 PM

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Yeah, using the free version

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I'll take a look, was procrastinating

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:48 PM

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should still be enough for you to get started for sure

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nameplate settings are usually key bound to ctrl+V and shift+V, but you can also change them in the default settings menu

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:49 PM

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So, each rogue spec revolves around a concept, right?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:49 PM

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wdym

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:50 PM

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Like, Sub is more burst damage, assassin is focused on bleeds and CCs

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And etc..

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:50 PM

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terse thicket I'll take a look, was procrastinating

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:50 PM

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What are the strongest points of each spec?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:50 PM

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well rogue as a whole is very CC focused

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sub plays around it's burst windows

hardy tinsel Jan 11, 2025, 2:51 PM

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potent pivot there's links to some WAs and an addon that'll let you use your own mp3s

ty ❤️ ❤️

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:51 PM

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assa plays around high consistent spread damage by keeping multiple targets bled

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outlaw is mostly just consistent damage and cleave

hardy tinsel Jan 11, 2025, 2:51 PM

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I sometimes kill people by BF cleave, it's funny

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:51 PM

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outlaw has CDR tied to most of it's abilities so it just stays in the fight most of the time

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:52 PM

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What's Cleave?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:53 PM

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hitting multiple targets

terse thicket Jan 11, 2025, 2:54 PM

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Hmm, I see, ok, thank you, a lot of information, a lot to change

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The last one, I promise... the last 10 talent points are used on 1 of 2 mini talent trees, in what situation I would need to activate the other one? I'm using the deathstalker one

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 2:59 PM

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terse thicket The last one, I promise... the last 10 talent points are used on 1 of 2 mini tal...

fatebound isn't necessarily better in any situation imo, but it's easier to play

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as deathstalker you have to focus on your Mark and cycling through consuming it's stacks, then consuming Darkest Night, so it's a bit harder to play

verbal field Jan 11, 2025, 3:25 PM

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potent pivot as deathstalker you have to focus on your Mark and cycling through consuming it'...

what is to focus with fatebound?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 3:26 PM

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hmm?

verbal field Jan 11, 2025, 3:26 PM

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i mean, is there anything to focus with fatebound?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 3:26 PM

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not really no

verbal field Jan 11, 2025, 3:26 PM

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no idea of the playstyle with it

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 3:27 PM

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you pretty much just forget it exists

jaunty osprey Jan 11, 2025, 3:57 PM

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RNGing with fatebound kinda fun

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1 mill coins when applying rupture

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:^)

mystic pasture Jan 11, 2025, 4:02 PM

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hardy tinsel Do you know any cool or flashy for killing blow/killstreak addon or weakaura?

DG killshot

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wraith tangle Jan 11, 2025, 4:23 PM

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jaunty osprey 1 mill coins when applying rupture

How? O_o My max with coin is 700k (still good tho)

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 4:33 PM

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wraith tangle How? O_o My max with coin is 700k (still good tho)

as assa?

jaunty osprey Jan 11, 2025, 4:53 PM

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wraith tangle How? O_o My max with coin is 700k (still good tho)

All just RNG

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the more you flip in a row of it

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the more damage it does

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and then deathmark flips both at the same time

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so pressing it is technically a small burst too besides the bleeds

hardy tinsel Jan 11, 2025, 5:11 PM

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Outlaw in BG is a beast when there's a healer focus on you lol

spring bough Jan 11, 2025, 5:23 PM

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ret paladin feels so automated

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wake of ashes proccing crusade and blade proccing consecrate

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 5:38 PM

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they def design it to be one of the easiest specs

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prob why its so popular

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 5:39 PM

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Wake can proc crusade didn’t even know that

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Trash

hardy tinsel Jan 11, 2025, 5:39 PM

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severe helm they def design it to be one of the easiest specs

It's that easy? I never play one before

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 5:40 PM

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Easiest class in the game imo dps melee dps wise

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 5:40 PM

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its very very easy yeah

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you really cant fuck up your rotation

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theres literally no setup to your burst too

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just press wake

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do dam

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thats it

mystic pasture Jan 11, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Its like a melee BM hunter. Everything feeds everything else.

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 5:41 PM

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and defensively its very easy cuz almost everything you have is useable while stunned

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bm is easy rotationally but still waaaay harder than ret from a defensive stand point imo

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Pretty much a magical dps BM hunter without pets lol

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They both have 1 million shields

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 5:41 PM

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ret wall is useable in stun, bop, bubble

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and most of their defensives are recovery not dr so you can use them late and its fine

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 5:42 PM

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severe helm ret wall is useable in stun, bop, bubble

The soul reason i hate this class

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 5:42 PM

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compared to hunter where you gotta wall before you take the shit

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not to mention having sac and sanc which are so comically op

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 5:42 PM

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They have like 30 oh shit buttons

mystic pasture Jan 11, 2025, 5:42 PM

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severe helm bm is easy rotationally but still waaaay harder than ret from a defensive stand ...

Yeah i just meant all the offensive abilities proccing effects and make the other rotational abilities better. Its a virtuous cycle with both those specs.

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From what Blizz said about upcoming class changes, they want all specs to move towards this

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 5:44 PM

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they just want specs to have less button bloat in general yeah

mystic pasture Jan 11, 2025, 5:46 PM

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I am all for it

tribal whale Jan 11, 2025, 6:54 PM

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mystic pasture I am all for it

Believe it when I see it

tawdry lodge Jan 11, 2025, 7:03 PM

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what are your thoughts on Keep it Rolling?

potent pivot Jan 11, 2025, 7:04 PM

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its okay, but nobody really plays it

spring bough Jan 11, 2025, 7:16 PM

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think my last char is ret to get the elite sett for

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almost to 80 and this feels too easy lol

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 7:21 PM

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potent pivot its okay, but nobody really plays it

I actually started playing it in shuff

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mostly for fun but cuz I was curious

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playing KiR trickster LOL

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at like 2660 rn

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it honestly does a fuck ton of damage if the enemy is stacked

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it destroys melee cleaves

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its a LOT more work to pull off though

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but if you play around your coup de grace properly and can do your goes with 12 stacks of flawless form after a double coup then your btes hit insanely hard

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I'll swap to fatebound if I need the mobility though

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 7:40 PM

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Sounds super sweaty lol

wraith tangle Jan 11, 2025, 8:28 PM

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potent pivot as assa?

yea

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 10:00 PM

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safe pelican Sounds super sweaty lol

lil bit but its fun

sterile maple Jan 11, 2025, 10:17 PM

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hi guys, want to ask if the next patch will bring new items for pvp? cause i want to create some items but idk if i shoudl waste my conquest points

lucid hearth Jan 11, 2025, 10:31 PM

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Pretty sure they don't carry over

severe helm Jan 11, 2025, 10:36 PM

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sterile maple hi guys, want to ask if the next patch will bring new items for pvp? cause i wan...

yes every season is all new gear

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but conquest points reset

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in between season

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so you cant "waste" them right now

tawdry lodge Jan 11, 2025, 10:56 PM

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how much damage should i be doing as outlaw?

outer sky Jan 11, 2025, 11:04 PM

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tawdry lodge how much damage should i be doing as outlaw?

not much

sterile maple Jan 11, 2025, 11:17 PM

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xD

safe pelican Jan 11, 2025, 11:34 PM

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outer sky not much

Lmaoooo get outta here 🤣

spring bough Jan 12, 2025, 12:16 AM

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ret is so dumb. full greens for my first solo. top overall damage LMAO

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this is too easy

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 12:32 AM

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yeah idk why blizzard thinks its okay for them to do as much damage as they do while also having all that utility

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YIKES

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holy shit

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This rsham

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i was playing shuffle with

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called me out

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because he threw

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and he blamed me

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and then he went 2-4

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and I went 4-2

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so naturally I flamed the shit out of him

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and he says "armory me"

spring bough Jan 12, 2025, 12:34 AM

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1.4mil crits in full greens is so funny

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 12:34 AM

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heres his amory

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holy shit

spring bough Jan 12, 2025, 12:34 AM

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this templar hero talent so OP

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 12:35 AM

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how can someone with that many achievements be so bad at the game

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 12:46 AM

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outer sky

Bro has never seen grass a day in his life

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How long have yall been playing this game in honor level 95 ish and i think its crazy some of the honor levels i see

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 12:47 AM

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I'm honor level 467 and that's nothing compared to what i've seen some people be at

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 12:47 AM

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Highest way like 890 something like how do you stay dedicated that long you gotta be getting by paid to stick with the game that long

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467 ain’t that bad

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 12:47 AM

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but you have to remember

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there was a huge exploit during MoP

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that caused people to gain honor levels like crazy

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https://www.dataforazeroth.com/leaderboards/honorlevel

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highest honor level right now is 4,511

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 12:48 AM

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Ok okay that makes cause i try to do the math on some honor levels and it just doenst make sense but that would change things i guess,

Stopped playing after TBC and just came back for DF s2 so i missed all that

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 12:48 AM

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outer sky highest honor level right now is 4,511

lmaoooo man I’m leaving going to shower how tf

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Gotta be modded or a dev there’s no way

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 12:49 AM

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theres lots of people in the thousands

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1,319 people with an honor level of 1000 or higher

spring bough Jan 12, 2025, 1:08 AM

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out of everyone of my alts. ret is leaps and bound the easiest class ive played lmao

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freedom makes me want to have the old manuver back on rogue so bad

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 1:38 AM

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spring bough freedom makes me want to have the old manuver back on rogue so bad

it wasn't even as good as freedom

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 2:10 AM

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the thing I feel like rogues are really gyp'd on are defensives

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 2:10 AM

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outer sky not much

Nonsense

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Why do we have a short duration AMS on a 2m CD

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and evasion is a joke of a CD for 2m

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 2:10 AM

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I often top meters as outlaw

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It really depends on the comp you face

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If it's a melee cleave and you will get tons of blade flurry value you can easily be on top. I think Hunter is one the hardest specs to do good damage into or comps that cc you a lot like jungle

mystic pasture Jan 12, 2025, 2:12 AM

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So...can I just not go anywhere near a paladin without getting knocked out of stealth?

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 2:12 AM

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Correct

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They have an unstealthing aura effectively

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Pretend it's immolation aura

mystic pasture Jan 12, 2025, 2:12 AM

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permanently? is it a bug?

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 2:12 AM

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I think as long as they're in combat

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And yes

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Def not intended

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But unlikely to be fixed

mystic pasture Jan 12, 2025, 2:13 AM

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😦 that's ridiculous

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Yes

mystic pasture Jan 12, 2025, 2:13 AM

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ret is hard enough to deal with, without that

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Yeah I mean in arena it shouldn't factor in too often

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It's very toxic in blitz

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But in arena you shouldn't really be sitting in stealth for that long

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Still very annoying

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Will probably take multiple seasons for them to fix

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 2:28 AM

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I think a lot of these "bugs" are very much intended

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its blizzards way of tuning without criticism

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 2:31 AM

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You overestimate their abilities

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 2:50 AM

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outer sky 1,319 people with an honor level of 1000 or higher

1.3k anti gras touchers

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 2:52 AM

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This dude is literally advertising the fact that he's cheating

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 3:01 AM

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I mean he said manual multiboxer

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Which I don't think is against tos

devout egret Jan 12, 2025, 3:56 AM

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Unsure whether the spec matters for what embellishment you want, but what embellishment would you want for a subtlety deathstalker rogue? Double elemental focusing lens?

spring bough Jan 12, 2025, 4:12 AM

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plunderstorm looking 100x easier and less tokens to get everything this time around

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 4:13 AM

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devout egret Unsure whether the spec matters for what embellishment you want, but what embell...

That's the correct answer and what most people are doing. Idk though I feel like weapon grip is good for sub. if that procs during dance its a huge dps buff

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but lens is probably more reliable

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 4:34 AM

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Murlok.io is a great resource to see what the top players are running

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 4:34 AM

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severe helm Murlok.io is a great resource to see what the top players are running

a lot of top players do stupid shit though

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 4:35 AM

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Yea but if you look at what the majority of top players use it's usually reasonably reliable

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 4:43 AM

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Yooo I just beat Val

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100% chance he was boosting

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 4:44 AM

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What an honest man helping you like that

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garf

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Love 2 see it

molten hedge Jan 12, 2025, 5:00 AM

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outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 5:46 AM

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I'm so excited

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lol

winter seal Jan 12, 2025, 5:52 AM

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they need to make double dps queues and seperate that from healer/dps 2's

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 5:54 AM

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winter seal they need to make double dps queues and seperate that from healer/dps 2's

past 1600 that would just be Rogue/Mage comps spam queueing into each other

winter seal Jan 12, 2025, 5:54 AM

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better than queueing into only healer/dps after 1600 as it is now

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 5:55 AM

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what comp are you playing

winter seal Jan 12, 2025, 5:55 AM

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tonight ret/ww

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just wanna have some fun fast games

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 5:55 AM

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then queue skirms

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every 2s game is double dps

winter seal Jan 12, 2025, 5:59 AM

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skirms are gross

long shore Jan 12, 2025, 8:05 AM

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are you guys playing deathstalker or fatebound as assas in shuffle / 3s?

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so annoying reapplying deathstalkers mark sometimes

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 8:06 AM

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long shore are you guys playing deathstalker or fatebound as assas in shuffle / 3s?

deathstalker

long shore Jan 12, 2025, 8:07 AM

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how do you deal with marks being bubbled / bopped / karmaed off / iceblocked off

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i got to waste a vanish just to re-apply it

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 8:08 AM

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fatebound is easier if you aren't as experienced you can prolly just play it

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 8:08 AM

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long shore i got to waste a vanish just to re-apply it

ye you'd just reapply during your next subterfuge window

long shore Jan 12, 2025, 8:10 AM

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potent pivot fatebound is easier if you aren't as experienced you can prolly just play it

yeah i wanna focus more on the gameplay, rather than worry about marks dropping or falling off

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i saw nahj playing it at 2500-2600 and it seems to do pretty big damage too

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like he is top DPS most lobbies

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 8:13 AM

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long shore like he is top DPS most lobbies

assa should be top dps in most lobbies regardless

long shore Jan 12, 2025, 8:14 AM

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elusiveness over cheat death right? for most lobbies without sub rogue

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 8:15 AM

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either is fine

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if you aren't as good cheat will likely be better

long shore Jan 12, 2025, 8:17 AM

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sure ill try fatebound and see how it goes

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i hate breaking CC with singular focus too

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and then having stealth randomly bugging out

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 8:18 AM

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it's just something you have to learn to play around

hardy tinsel Jan 12, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Do most players track our feint buff?

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:16 AM

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hardy tinsel Do most players track our feint buff?

not specifically, but they likely see it next to your hp bar from omni, or just on their target frame in your buffs

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:31 AM

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i thought we were talking about enemies tracking it

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candid tide Jan 12, 2025, 11:31 AM

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OMEGAKEKW

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:32 AM

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i use a WA for cloak/evasion duration over my character

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i feel like i feint way too much to have a WA like that for my own feint ngl

candid tide Jan 12, 2025, 11:32 AM

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the thing idk im noob

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like feint animation can be bit invisible at time when ur in the chaos of it all

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:33 AM

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i just try to keep my WAs to a minimum, especially for my own personal buffs

candid tide Jan 12, 2025, 11:34 AM

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like u want to be sure u have it on during a stun u know

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:35 AM

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i'm just so used to it ig

candid tide Jan 12, 2025, 11:35 AM

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potent pivot i just try to keep my WAs to a minimum, especially for my own personal buffs

agree

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:35 AM

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been pressing that button for a long ass time

candid tide Jan 12, 2025, 11:35 AM

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yeah ig

hardy tinsel Jan 12, 2025, 12:03 PM

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Idk if I feint too much but I kinda press them on cd in the combat

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 12:19 PM

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i posted this in the wrong channel but mw monk is so funy to play lmfaoo

wanton breach Jan 12, 2025, 12:26 PM

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inner tartan i posted this in the wrong channel but mw monk is so funy to play lmfaoo

was your team mate afk?

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 12:29 PM

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super undergeared

proper fox Jan 12, 2025, 2:44 PM

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guys, im new to rogue. for Rogue DK. Is it only Assa/Unholy? or does Outlaw/Frost work too?

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 2:59 PM

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at what cr

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i dont knwo what is meta i never keep track of that but i think on a alt i pushed up to 1600 as outlaw unholy with out to much issue

gusty hedge Jan 12, 2025, 3:04 PM

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unpopular Law/Blood venthyr

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:14 PM

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proper fox guys, im new to rogue. for Rogue DK. Is it only Assa/Unholy? or does Outlaw/Fros...

assa/uh was a bit more popular at the beginning of the season, but both are prolly viable up to a point tbh

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ik kalv was trying out law/fdk the other day, not sure how it went tho

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:17 PM

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wait high cr are double dps ( other than frost mage sub rogue ) poping of?
i have seen alot of feral rets recently aswell

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:19 PM

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inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:22 PM

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everytime i que battleground on a fresh toon it full of fully geared conquest losser tf is that shit about

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why would u gear a toon to go que unrated pvp

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were da challeneg

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:23 PM

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i think there's just a lot of more casual players that enjoy em

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:24 PM

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o i quess

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:24 PM

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kinda the same reason twinking has always been a thing

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:24 PM

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rated pvp to me is always teh casual

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:24 PM

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some people have fun just shit stomping others

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:24 PM

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twinking is lame ( i should say to much but when i did it i was a f2p midmaxing and i wasnt a hunter i was a 20 rogue they dont do shit )

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get boreing 2 fast

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:25 PM

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yeh

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the people that are deep into twinking spend millions of gold on OP gear

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:25 PM

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ik hahaha i used to make big gold of that

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:25 PM

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yeah you can actually make a ton of gold farming the stuff they want

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:26 PM

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i havnt done any recently im going to assume thou the 70 leveling bgs braccet is a mess rn thou

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:27 PM

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yeah i think there's twinks for almost every level bracket

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11, 20s, 30s, 60s, 70s etc

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 3:32 PM

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i use 11 twink for level boosting but exept when i was a f2p havnt done any

gleaming sentinel Jan 12, 2025, 3:43 PM

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potent pivot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ONdxmv_7Q <@151872253229924352>

I swear random bg players are the most Toxic PvP player

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 3:50 PM

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potent pivot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ONdxmv_7Q <@151872253229924352>

I would assume this is for 10v10 and not srbgs

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But I’ve always got that vibe from the 10v10s

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:51 PM

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i think the vid's context is for like epic BGs/regular BGs

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but it gives the vibe that it exists for rbg/blitz

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 3:51 PM

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Yea but that add on is dope pop cause you could use that for shuffle and blitz

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:52 PM

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i think in order to snipe the queues you need people using the public addon

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but

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 3:52 PM

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He’s wack for not sharing it let us ruin the game together or don’t do it at all

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:52 PM

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think about how many addons we all use that could be doing that shit

safe pelican Jan 12, 2025, 3:52 PM

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potent pivot think about how many addons we all use that could be doing that shit

True

wraith tangle Jan 12, 2025, 3:55 PM

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I am sure that something similiar is going on with Blitz tbh

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 3:57 PM

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yeah i've heard quite a few times you can kinda tell it's going on in blitz

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 4:07 PM

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gleaming sentinel I swear random bg players are the most Toxic PvP player

so anoying i cant have fun i have been kicked from leveling bg on a bear for not fcing ebgs for useing a machine and bombs to kill people not walls ebg for not useing a vechle and still being top damage and heals as a bear and on a sin rogue kicked for not being on fc like chill out it normal i just wanna kill stuff and have fun

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doing blitz as a fw monk is fun

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but most game i have been in are kinda boreing cuz it normal not a fair match up ( o i have been unlucky ) 1 side gets stomped

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there was one which got flipped but it was cuz half the dps got carried away on a fight so never went to incs

wraith tangle Jan 12, 2025, 4:20 PM

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Yea, the amount of 1500 - 0 matches is so high that it seems highly unlikely that it is all a coincidence

inner tartan Jan 12, 2025, 4:23 PM

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i mean the average person i swear once the lose the first part thinks they lost and quits soooo anoying

vocal surge Jan 12, 2025, 5:47 PM

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inner tartan everytime i que battleground on a fresh toon it full of fully geared conquest lo...

Honor grinding

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 6:41 PM

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potent pivot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ONdxmv_7Q <@151872253229924352>

Oooooh shit

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That's actually the first time I've seen an addon like that lol

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They've been keeping some good secrets

verbal field Jan 12, 2025, 7:02 PM

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what are the stats for assa?

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 7:04 PM

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verbal field what are the stats for assa?

!stats

lethal roostBOT Jan 12, 2025, 7:04 PM

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These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 7:04 PM

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just vers/mast

verbal field Jan 12, 2025, 7:05 PM

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ah ty

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 9:03 PM

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I literally do not understand people in this game like

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I'm stunning and silencing the enemy Hpal off dr

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and he's still doubling my Hpals healing

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yet my hpal is riding around on last seasons glad mount

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Like bro just do 3/4ths of his healing instead of half and we win

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I'm so fucking tired of this

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The other hpal holy shocked 16 times

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mine holy shocked 6 times

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and theirs was CCd much more than mine

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yet he has last seasons glad mount

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absolutely unreal

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 9:25 PM

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outer sky and he's still doubling my Hpals healing

well hes doing more hps cuz your team is doing more damage

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you can only heal as much as the enemy team is doing in damage lol

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 9:25 PM

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he isnt doing enough though because we died first

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 9:25 PM

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their affi/war did 659k total dps and your hpal + lock did 612k total hps lol

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yeah but dying first isnt cuz of hps

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its cuz of trading cds poorly

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but yeah it does look like your boy isnt doing their rotation that well

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tell him to holy shock more

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healing rotations are so easy theres not usually a good reason to be trolling them

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 9:27 PM

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I told him to go kick rocks I'm sick of wasting my time with these people

knotty axle Jan 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Whats the best spec right now for battleground blitz?

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 9:44 PM

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knotty axle Whats the best spec right now for battleground blitz?

rogue as a whole is one of the best blitz classes in the game

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sub is sorta the 'best' but you really don't have to form what you play around what spec is better for rogue in blitz

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can play whatever spec you like/are best at playing and do really well regardless of spec

knotty axle Jan 12, 2025, 9:46 PM

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Last time I played rogue was always assassination for BFA and some in dragon flight but I'm hearing it's harder to play now and I never could understand sub rogue so trying to decide

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But I'm really missing my stealthing and shenanigans haha

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 9:48 PM

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I don’t think assa is too much harder to play than it used to be, just a bit different

knotty axle Jan 12, 2025, 9:58 PM

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I have heard that sub rogue got less complicated more forgiving in the last patch but guides I've read and youtube videos honestly seem terrible and hard to really understand to me

hazy monolith Jan 12, 2025, 10:07 PM

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severe helm healing rotations are so easy theres not usually a good reason to be trolling th...

Tbh I think he just tried to heal efficiently

severe helm Jan 12, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Yeah could be

tender ember Jan 12, 2025, 10:50 PM

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outer sky I'm so fucking tired of this

i mean.. ur peak 3s xp is 2270 so i wouldnt blame all on others. There are a lot of things to make REAL dmg out of assa

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u can basically do good numbers by just vanishing/melding off dr and triple dot 3 ppl while not give a single fuck about cc or locking healer down when u press shiv/deathmark

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healer will just outheal ur "afk" dmg most of the time

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 11:04 PM

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tender ember i mean.. ur peak 3s xp is 2270 so i wouldnt blame all on others. There are a lot...

It's been 3 xpacs of me blaming myself. At some point it's worth it to call out other people

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Like if you're sitting less CC and you manage 1/3rd the number of holy shocks as the other hpal then you're just trash. But maybe I should have driven over to his house and did his rotation for him idk

tender ember Jan 12, 2025, 11:12 PM

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they did less dmg so the numbers are correct, probably some1 flopped there

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310k dps fury war tho XD

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its 2,3 mmr NA?

red wave Jan 12, 2025, 11:13 PM

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which spec is pumpin in solo shuffle?

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for rogue

tender ember Jan 12, 2025, 11:13 PM

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assa if ur not rank1 and wanna climb highest

red wave Jan 12, 2025, 11:14 PM

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good enough for me, ty

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 11:18 PM

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tender ember its 2,3 mmr NA?

Something like that

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And nobody got blown up

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We all just kinda died together

tender ember Jan 12, 2025, 11:22 PM

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in this case specially would agree with u then that it was healers fault

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there is no sacred weapon healing at all

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0 value of redistribution from tempered in battle

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 11:50 PM

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I can already tell this guy is going to troll me

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:52 PM

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outer sky I can already tell this guy is going to troll me

thats fucking

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crusader bud

outer sky Jan 12, 2025, 11:53 PM

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oh of course

potent pivot Jan 12, 2025, 11:53 PM

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ofc hes going to troll you

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 12:03 AM

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potent pivot ofc hes going to troll you

Yeah he was trash

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 12:03 AM

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outer sky Yeah he was trash

i saw

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can't lie though it wasn't all his fault

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everyone in the lobby made mistakes pmuch

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 12:05 AM

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yeah but he's an annointed r1

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 12:05 AM

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no

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 12:05 AM

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so it looks worse when he loses

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 12:05 AM

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no

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he is the exact opposite of annointed

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lmao

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 12:06 AM

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I'm banned in his twitch stream

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 12:06 AM

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what twitch stream?

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he's banned i'm pretty sure

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from his own twitch stream

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so

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 12:06 AM

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well I was banned in his stream before he was banned lol

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I cant believe

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I won vs

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hpal, ret, ww

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as rdru,assa,arms warr

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we shouldnt win that in a million years lol

bleak dagger Jan 13, 2025, 12:08 AM

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Hey what is the value inside pvp that outlaw wants as haste % before any buffs are applied?

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 12:08 AM

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bleak dagger Hey what is the value inside pvp that outlaw wants as haste % before any buffs a...

10%

bleak dagger Jan 13, 2025, 12:10 AM

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Thank you, only 10% ? When the gear is scaled while instanced?

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 12:10 AM

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bleak dagger Thank you, only 10% ? When the gear is scaled while instanced?

yes 10% after pvp scaling

bleak dagger Jan 13, 2025, 12:11 AM

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Nice I gotta convert all this extra haste into crit , sitting at 11 outside and already 30.1 verse

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Appreciate you guys

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 12:11 AM

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salutege

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 2:17 AM

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outer sky yeah but he's an annointed r1

I ran into him earlier

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He went 1-5

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Flamed us the entire time

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Crusader has not improved in a long time

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He was once a pretty good player but has not adapted at all to the changes and is kinda mid af right now lol

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Esp considering how much he plays

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 2:31 AM

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If I prefer 1v1 fights in blitz should I be going DS or FB? As assassination

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 2:32 AM

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mystic pasture If I prefer 1v1 fights in blitz should I be going DS or FB? As assassination

either really, i think the main reason some folks go fb in blitz is just to avoid singular focus combat bug

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 2:36 AM

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potent pivot either really, i think the main reason some folks go fb in blitz is just to avoi...

Rupture pulling you out of stealth?

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 2:36 AM

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or stopping you from mounting after dying ye

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Oh weird

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 2:37 AM

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it's only if bleed is ticking into singular focus

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AKA you have deathstalker's mark on one target and bleeds on a different target

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 2:38 AM

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FB has been very straight forward. I dont think I want to track mark. But with one target i shouldnt have to right?

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 2:38 AM

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has nothing to do with rupture specifically*

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 2:38 AM

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mystic pasture FB has been very straight forward. I dont think I want to track mark. But with o...

you'd just have to make sure you consume Darkest Night

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ds is just better, defensively and for controllable burst really

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can just be a little annoying with singular focus bug

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 2:41 AM

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Ok, I might play around with it again. Thanks

glass hazel Jan 13, 2025, 2:42 AM

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wish they fix it next season

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now that i knew about it follows me everywhere as well ;x

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 2:43 AM

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And that pally stealth remover bug. Ugh

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 3:15 AM

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potent pivot either really, i think the main reason some folks go fb in blitz is just to avoi...

That combat bug also allows it to spin flag caps while you're cc'ed though 😉

waxen meteor Jan 13, 2025, 3:47 AM

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I thought my ret was trash, then it went 34-14 in solo shuffle lol

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btw, legend title doesn't pass to next season right?

glass hazel Jan 13, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Yes it is seasonal

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:27 AM

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guys

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I was just doing 3s

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with a lock and a priest

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and

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they think I'm so much better than I am

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because I garrote silenced the other lock's pet

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so he couldnt cs

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but really

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that was just indiscriminate carnage

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and I didnt even know that silencing a pet stopped cd

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 4:28 AM

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they're reading the chat

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lookBoth

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:29 AM

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huh?

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 4:29 AM

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just messin with you

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:29 AM

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I'm 2371 now

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in 3s

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 4:29 AM

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howd it end

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word

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pogg

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:29 AM

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i went up

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over 100 rating

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 4:30 AM

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30 more

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then farm wins

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ez

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:31 AM

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29

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 4:32 AM

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31

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:34 AM

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I take back what I said about assa/affi not being a good comp

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apparently it just needs a good warlock

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I'm used to doing more damage than my affi lock

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almost every game

glass hazel Jan 13, 2025, 4:34 AM

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warlocks do a lot of damage

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:34 AM

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this one im playing with now shits on my damage

glass hazel Jan 13, 2025, 4:34 AM

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way more than rogue

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 4:35 AM

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like this one will do more damage than me even when he's getting trained

hazy monolith Jan 13, 2025, 4:47 AM

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just had a shuffle with only melees

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won first 4 games going healer

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last 2 the priest that totally got stomped went afk

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and mcd the kill taget last round

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when I asked why tf

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"sometimes you win, sometimes you lose"

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max xp 2.1k

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idk why ppl are like this

outer sky Jan 13, 2025, 5:08 AM

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hazy monolith idk why ppl are like this

you cant even trust "max xp" anymore thanks to shadowlands

hazy monolith Jan 13, 2025, 5:28 AM

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i just look ppl up

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if they are weird, arrogant, flaming

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insta checkpvp check

gusty hedge Jan 13, 2025, 6:20 AM

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potent pivot some people have fun just shit stomping others

molten hedge Jan 13, 2025, 6:45 AM

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jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 6:50 AM

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LOL

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R U ALWAYS FOLLOWIN ME

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inspect the shuffle rating

molten hedge Jan 13, 2025, 6:53 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/kanye-gotcha-kanye-west-ye-gif-27617341

Tenor

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 7:56 AM

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first 2800 assa

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pog

glass hazel Jan 13, 2025, 8:03 AM

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gz

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 8:23 AM

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jaunty osprey

how are you even getting lobbies

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I cant even find games at 2.7

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like its 35+ min queues

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also wow pres disc thats a giga bis lobby

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I wish I could queue dodge hpals

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 8:25 AM

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uhhh

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you just dont sometimes

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 8:25 AM

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severe helm how are you even getting lobbies

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look at this one from earlier today

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lobby mmr way lower than me

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at least i got to smurf on them

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also, at higher ratings, it's only affliction locks, bigdam every lobby

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so hpals dont matter

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 8:27 AM

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honestly how do they lose as ret + hpal

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they should have so many bops lol

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 8:27 AM

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nah bops dont really matter

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can force a bop with just garrote

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and then i have shaman on my team and rdruid

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so can purge or clone it

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 8:29 AM

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Yeah as outlaw its just such a hard reset the person is just invulnerable for 10 seconds

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and I have to get through 3 or more of them

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If I never got hpals I swear I would go positive every lobby lol

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 8:29 AM

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ya

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im lucky im at this rating though

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warlocks took over the bracket

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i get aff assa every game

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or feral assa and we just run down the affs

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a lot harder as outlaw cause u cant just ape in

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and triple cleave ppl

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 8:30 AM

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Ive switched to a build thats more like that

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 8:31 AM

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severe helm like its 35+ min queues

but this queue was like 2 hrs for shards, bigdam and i

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 8:31 AM

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and have been winning a lot more

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 8:31 AM

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and feedgod (the pres) waited over an hour

severe helm Jan 13, 2025, 8:31 AM

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got both rogues to almost 2.7

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honestly map helps me the most

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the necrolord map is brutal

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way too big

safe pelican Jan 13, 2025, 8:36 AM

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Couldn’t imagine waiting that long for queues man yall deserve those rank 1 spots lol

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Wanna keep pushing blitz but i miss shuffle, im torn garf

candid tide Jan 13, 2025, 9:35 AM

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dang pikaboo blew up with classic 12k now gz

gusty hedge Jan 13, 2025, 10:43 AM

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safe pelican Wanna keep pushing blitz but i miss shuffle, im torn <:garf:1320173032743899157...

i feel that! think im gonna actually try to push these last few weeks solo and blitz. stopped for the 1600 piece / tmog Set. These reg bgs/ wpvp starting to not feel so good( especially bgs)

hazy monolith Jan 13, 2025, 10:59 AM

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3s against sp and lock

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which u focus

candid tide Jan 13, 2025, 12:09 PM

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lock

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sp tanky and needs setup to burst

harsh kiln Jan 13, 2025, 12:27 PM

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also it's easier to avoid peels if you're on the lock. sp doesn't have as spammable cc as the lock has.

candid tide Jan 13, 2025, 12:59 PM

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thats probably the main thing fs

gleaming sentinel Jan 13, 2025, 1:09 PM

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severe helm Ive switched to a build thats more like that

Trickster?

verbal field Jan 13, 2025, 4:12 PM

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anyone know what addon that is to have cp's on enemys health bar?

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 4:15 PM

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verbal field anyone know what addon that is to have cp's on enemys health bar?

there's multiple ways to do it, a lot of ppl have started using BetterBlizzPlates it's quite nice

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 4:18 PM

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verbal field anyone know what addon that is to have cp's on enemys health bar?

Cant you just use “show resources on target” option that is just built in? Dont think you need an addon

verbal field Jan 13, 2025, 4:19 PM

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oh yeah you're right

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thank you

wanton breach Jan 13, 2025, 4:49 PM

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game UI is so shit and has been for so long that people automatically assume anything is an addon/weakaura kekdog

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:32 PM

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Just saw this on DH forums….how can I do this:

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:32 PM

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mystic pasture Just saw this on DH forums….how can I do this:

safe pelican Jan 13, 2025, 5:34 PM

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gusty hedge i feel that! think im gonna actually try to push these last few weeks solo and b...

Yea i feels i would push both at the same time but i hate switching game types ill be in blitz and forget that there’s an objective im sure lol , might blow the cobwebs off the assa rogue today for shuffle but i know i can get 2.4 in blitz lol its free 😂

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:34 PM

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mystic pasture

Hmm

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looks like just regular ass deathstalker sub brother

safe pelican Jan 13, 2025, 5:35 PM

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mystic pasture

copium

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Def looks like a phat crit peeling the last mark

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:35 PM

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nah

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that's consuming Darkest Night

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guaranteed crit

safe pelican Jan 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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You know what i mean 🙄

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Shruge

safe pelican Jan 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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🚪🚶🏾‍♂️

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Lmao I’m not starting you up today going back to work

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:37 PM

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safe pelican Lmao I’m not starting you up today going back to work

misunderstanding g its all g

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but ok

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:37 PM

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How does sub do back to back evis for that much?

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:38 PM

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mystic pasture How does sub do back to back evis for that much?

he proc'd Shadowcraft

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:38 PM

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Damn

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:38 PM

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the first big evis is from consuming darkest night

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the back to back is from shadowcraft proc

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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I think I should learn to sub rogue

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Thats off the hook

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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it's not as easy to pull off correctly as it looks

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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Heavy on the “learn” then lol

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:40 PM

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can be yeah

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:40 PM

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I am just getting the hang of assassination

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 5:40 PM

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definitely fun once you get the hang of it tho

mystic pasture Jan 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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I cant believe I waited this long to play rogue. Its so much fun in pvp

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 6:54 PM

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has anyone here tried the amp poison build?

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 6:55 PM

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with dtb?

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i tried it with dtb a bit after we got supercharger

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 7:15 PM

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Ya, I wanna make a rogue with max mastery and test it

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 7:16 PM

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the perfectly set up envenoms hit hard

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amp poison is just kinda meh sometimes in pvp

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 7:16 PM

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Does zoldycks work with envenom

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 7:17 PM

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jaunty osprey Does zoldycks work with envenom

iirc ya

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 7:18 PM

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ya just weird that it words it as poisons

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 7:18 PM

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if it was only weapon poisons it would specify that

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 7:18 PM

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yeah

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guess poison/nature damage stuff

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everything except white hits

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for assa

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 7:19 PM

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the way they word shit is weird ye

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 7:19 PM

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and plague damage?

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gets buffed by it

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 7:19 PM

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ya

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wait

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no

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it would say nature dmg specifically

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if it buffed the plague dmg

jaunty osprey Jan 13, 2025, 7:19 PM

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Well

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Ya I typed it poorly

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I meant everything except mutilate/fan/autos and plague

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gets buffed

potent pivot Jan 13, 2025, 7:20 PM

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ya i didn't know if u meant zold+plague or what

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ah kk yeah

wary thistle Jan 13, 2025, 9:30 PM

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I am now a pirate believer. Leveling an outlaw alt and man it's fun, can't wait to get into some pvp with it

spring bough Jan 13, 2025, 11:36 PM

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wary thistle I am now a pirate believer. Leveling an outlaw alt and man it's fun, can't wait ...

outlaw is the best spec change my mind

mystic pasture Jan 14, 2025, 12:29 AM

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spring bough outlaw is the best spec change my mind

why do you prefer it over assassination?

wary thistle Jan 14, 2025, 12:37 AM

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spring bough outlaw is the best spec change my mind

The hook mobility is crazy. Really been enjoying assa so far in pvp, but certainly looking forward to being a nuisance on the outlaw rogue

spring bough Jan 14, 2025, 12:38 AM

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mystic pasture why do you prefer it over assassination?

it is fast paced. plus pirates >>>

pastel burrow Jan 14, 2025, 12:50 AM

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For kingsbane/supercharger memes are people running forced induction, tea, or deeper strat? Not sure if there's a significant diff

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 12:51 AM

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pastel burrow For kingsbane/supercharger memes are people running forced induction, tea, or de...

the difference between forced induction and tea is basically negligible, but you want deeper ye

pastel burrow Jan 14, 2025, 12:53 AM

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Cheers, so you'd give up vigor/tea for it or?

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 12:54 AM

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pastel burrow Cheers, so you'd give up vigor/tea for it or?

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nah i was trippin my b

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was thinking of the one in the spec tree for a sec

pastel burrow Jan 14, 2025, 12:55 AM

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Yeah fair, I wasn't sure if deeper strat was worth getting rid of vigor and FI

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Thanks anyway boss 👍

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 12:56 AM

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np

mystic pasture Jan 14, 2025, 1:42 AM

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With supercharger, i have been doing Deathmark > Shiv > Kingsbane (press some more buttons) > Shiv again for the end of KB

What should go as a finishing move for each shiv? Is it always Envenom or is there value in using it on something else like rupture?

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Now that I think of it, I take it i should be hitting envenom as much as possible during KB

pastel burrow Jan 14, 2025, 2:06 AM

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Yeah in an ideal situation where you can just blast during KB, you wanna envenom dump

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 5:19 AM

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6/50

long shore Jan 14, 2025, 6:59 AM

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outer sky 6/50

Did they change legend to 50 wins now instead of 100 in previous seasons ?

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 6:59 AM

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long shore Did they change legend to 50 wins now instead of 100 in previous seasons ?

no

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I already have legend

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was referring to Gladiator

long shore Jan 14, 2025, 6:59 AM

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Oh right 3v3 my bad

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May I ask if you run Deathstalker or Fatebound for 3v3?

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 7:02 AM

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long shore May I ask if you run Deathstalker or Fatebound for 3v3?

deathstalker except into frost mages

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then i run fate

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sometimes I'll run fate into mirror cops

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comps*

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but I'm not 100% sure I should yet

azure rapids Jan 14, 2025, 7:59 AM

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so they are taking the following away

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are we getting anything to replace them?

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one new talent and 3 removed..

stoic spruce Jan 14, 2025, 9:12 AM

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Nope

fiery hinge Jan 14, 2025, 9:28 AM

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Boom or doom

long shore Jan 14, 2025, 10:04 AM

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outer sky deathstalker except into frost mages

Is Deathstalker superior damage and defensives ?

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 10:24 AM

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long shore Is Deathstalker superior damage and defensives ?

Yes

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 10:26 AM

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azure rapids one new talent and 3 removed..

We still have a while before the patch goes live

long shore Jan 14, 2025, 10:38 AM

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potent pivot Yes

guess ill just stick to deathstalker for now

azure rapids Jan 14, 2025, 10:54 AM

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potent pivot We still have a while before the patch goes live

true, really curious how Rogue turns out,i hope Outlaw remains Viable 😛

dapper chasm Jan 14, 2025, 12:19 PM

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Checking this place for the first time in months to see if it's worth playing my favourite sub spec in some PvP

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Shadowy Duel removed

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Veil of Midnight removed

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Zanaken removed from playerbase

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I'm going back to my £4.99 Indie games

hidden dome Jan 14, 2025, 12:44 PM

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Ah yes

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well earned 24 rating

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Only playing 1000 rating above my cr

north rain Jan 14, 2025, 1:29 PM

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dapper chasm Checking this place for the first time in months to see if it's worth playing my...

The feint talent will be just as useful if not more useful compared to veil for a player who knows how to use it well

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Shadowy duel is cool but also prevents blizz from making sub dmg too high since it adds an extra layer of control to the highest stun control spec

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So will be good for those looking for more dmg

dapper chasm Jan 14, 2025, 1:38 PM

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My brother, I've been around

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The stuff they mess with so they can do stuff later on never bears fruit

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It's all weird trimming into silly bloat

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Then they release some wet-dream OP ability to keep people happy and spend an xpac making it unusable

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The Feint change looks cute, but when did you as a rogue think "I need to be harder to kill, everything else is cool"

tired saddle Jan 14, 2025, 3:14 PM

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i've switched to outlaw recently and i'm pretty lost, do u have guys any guide for pvp rotations?

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 3:15 PM

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tired saddle i've switched to outlaw recently and i'm pretty lost, do u have guys any guide f...

Everything is basically the same as the HO build pve rotation in the #outlaw-faq

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 3:28 PM

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is plunderstorm good? didnt play back in df when it was released

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 3:34 PM

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glass hazel is plunderstorm good? didnt play back in df when it was released

A lot of people liked it

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 3:35 PM

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kinda excited to try haha

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 3:36 PM

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Looked like a mix of a battle royale and league kinda

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 3:36 PM

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any new pvp modes are good to have as a choice

novel karma Jan 14, 2025, 4:29 PM

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how do you deal with devastation evoker in arenas? feels like if you don't sit on the spec it deals overwhelming damage

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 4:58 PM

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novel karma how do you deal with devastation evoker in arenas? feels like if you don't sit o...

if you're playing deathstalker Bait and Switch hero talent it's super important to evasion at high hp for maximum mitigation since outside of Dragon Rage they do more damage to you the higher your health is

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and yeah usually you want to "go the devoker" unless there's a lock on his team. Obviously that kinda thing is pretty situational but thats a good rule of thumb

novel karma Jan 14, 2025, 5:00 PM

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thanks a lot!

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 5:01 PM

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remove cloak with sap :x

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as well

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ah wait or it was healer ones

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 5:02 PM

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glass hazel remove cloak with sap :x

If you can but I kind of assumed that went without saying. A good evoker will double hover to get in combat asap and you have to take the "long way around" to avoid getting landslid out or wing buffeted

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if I cant get the saps, I open with a garrote silence because they can still be silenced with shroud up and then 3x cheap the cloak off

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 5:03 PM

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outer sky If you can but I kind of assumed that went without saying. A good evoker will do...

yeah i knew they will rush into fight sometimes even with breath, just if you have chance should try to burn with saps at least that what i do

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 5:03 PM

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yeah its good to do

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devoker is just hard to deal with because they have such high uptime on hover which means they cant be slowed and such high uptime on obsidian scales so they cant be silenced and are taking reduced dam

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 5:04 PM

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yup such a bad match up for assa

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 5:04 PM

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feels like the stars have to align for me to actually kidney a devoker with full bleeds and no defensives up

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 5:04 PM

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always immune to slow

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only double pal worse than this 😄

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with triple bop

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 5:06 PM

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hpal/ret/frost mage lol

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 5:06 PM

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mage yeah as well, also good balance are hard to deal with

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 5:07 PM

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frost mage is on a whole other level

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its the only spec where I have a totally different build I play into them with

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I use the same thing for every match up

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unless theres a frost mage

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then I have to change a bunch of shit

glass hazel Jan 14, 2025, 5:08 PM

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haha someone send pic in chat from fmage where is only 1 skill everywhere

jaunty osprey Jan 14, 2025, 5:33 PM

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severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:44 PM

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azure rapids are we getting anything to replace them?

nope

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:54 PM

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jaunty osprey

honestly frost mage is pretty fun though I was playing it a bit in blitz

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it has a loooot of instant casts it feels pretty solid

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:54 PM

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severe helm nope

i feel like we've got plenty of ptr time left for them to cook up some new ones

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:54 PM

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potent pivot i feel like we've got plenty of ptr time left for them to cook up some new ones

sure hope so

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:55 PM

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i just don't expect them to be anything super flashy

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because of the "choice" they want us to have

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:55 PM

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what im curious about if they plan on replacing them

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is why did they remove these?

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what did they not like about them

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compared to other shitty ones like "sprint 50% duration and 50% cd"

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like how do you not remove that

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:55 PM

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prolly just that they were lock-ins

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:55 PM

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removing the good talents feels like a bad way to approach this design

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as opposed to making the other ones more competitive

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maybe they just dont like dps increasing pvp talents in general? idk

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want to lean towards more utility talents

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:58 PM

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severe helm maybe they just dont like dps increasing pvp talents in general? idk

Doesn’t every class have some that are dps based?

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:58 PM

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Some def have more than others

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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Like before the outlaw haste change we never ran the haste talent iirc

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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some people experimented with it but yeah not much before

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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Which tbh doesn’t matter for us

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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it was good with like affi outlaw or sp outlaw

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but youd only give it to your teammate

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didnt matter for you

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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We still get haste from vanish or w.e

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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Yeah tbh the 10% haste from take your cut was well over our cap

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it wasnt benefiting us that much

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 5:59 PM

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That’s the one that matters tbh

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Yeah

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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it effectively was only as strong as before

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cuz we were at cap anyway

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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It was just nice

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Because adr uptime

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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yeah I like it for buffing my teammates primarily

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10% haste is a lot for some specs

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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It felt good but isn’t huge

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Yeah

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:00 PM

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enduring brawler was way stronger

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not even close

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15% ss proc chance is really high

tribal badger Jan 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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remember when Enduring was also 1% stamina per stack

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🥹

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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yes

tribal badger Jan 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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taken it all from us now

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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I cant even take the stam talent in pvp

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unless I drop KS

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which is kidna troll

tribal badger Jan 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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xd

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yup

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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or swift slasher

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which also feels troll

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:01 PM

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Doesn’t feel like we need it tbh

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Not that much

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The thing I’m most interested in atm

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Is how sub will play out without duel

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And how the tier sets are going to do

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:04 PM

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severe helm which also feels troll

If outlaws tier is nerfed in pvp it’s gonna feel giga bad

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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it will be

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the nerfs are already in the spell data haha

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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Fuck

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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but the sleight buff will be enough to carry us I think

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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kekw3

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:05 PM

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sleight buff is insane

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we dont know yet how our tier shoudl be working

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it currently doesnt work on ptr

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if you have sleight talented

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:06 PM

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yeah

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i'm excited to try the sleight buff fs

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:06 PM

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itll be wild

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outlaw will be able to farm 5 buff between goes

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esaily

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itll be wild

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:07 PM

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curious to see if that actually pushes us towards kir

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:10 PM

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yeah

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not sure tbh

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sleight could benefit HO more than kir

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in reality

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cuz why kir if HO has 5 buffs most of the time anyway

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I think theres a weird bifurcation there

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like cto buff benefited kir cuz we met kir conditions more easily

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but if you have ENOUGH buff uptime natty

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then I think kir loses value

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:12 PM

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severe helm then I think kir loses value

ye when you think about it at face value that's the idea i get as well

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:12 PM

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but then theres another crazy breakpoint where if KiR gets enough cdr then you can actually KIR the same set of buffs over and over

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but I think were far from that in pvp

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in pve thats more of a reality

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but yeah it could be fun but also I could see people not liking the spam rolling playstyle fishing for buffs

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right now our performance in pve has gained a significant amount of rng due to the sleight changes

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cuz sometimes you roll 5-6 times in a row and only get 1 buff

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:14 PM

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but 2 rolls are bugged ye?

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:14 PM

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we think they are

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:14 PM

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they definitely look bugged

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just going off of everyone's posted testing

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:15 PM

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yeah

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sleight seemed to give 5 rolls 24% increased chance of hitting

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:15 PM

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higher chance of 5roll than 2rolls is insanity

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:15 PM

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didnt improve 2 roll chance at all

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and reduced 1 roll chance by 24%

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:15 PM

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yeh something's gotta be borked

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 6:20 PM

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If outlaw is constantly running around rolling 5 buffs it will get nerfed so fast you won't even get to experience it

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:22 PM

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well from my understanding the Sleight buff and the tier set are meant to push up your 2 and 5 roll chances quite a bit

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so i don't think so

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:24 PM

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outer sky If outlaw is constantly running around rolling 5 buffs it will get nerfed so fas...

I mean it will be balanced via pve

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cuz obv 5 buff has just as much value there as in pvp

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:27 PM

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i would rather get the dopamine of a 5buff constantly, leave that alone and tune the dmg accordingly

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salutege

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 6:28 PM

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potent pivot i would rather get the dopamine of a 5buff constantly, leave that alone and tune...

yeah thast what I figure will happen

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I think they like the "jackpot" theme of this patch

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so they will keep that

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and balance around it

outer sky Jan 14, 2025, 6:52 PM

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potent pivot i would rather get the dopamine of a 5buff constantly, leave that alone and tune...

idk I kinda like it being kind of rare. having an RNG chance to go Super Saiyan for a short bit is fun

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especially since if they tune around having a high uptime on a 5 buff, the spec will feel lacking without it. If they tune around fewer buffs then with a 5 buff you just feel absurdly OP and it's fine because it's rare

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 6:53 PM

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from a balance perspective i think it being more common makes it easier to balance tbh

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even now it's not like you just automatically win when you proc a 5er

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but i get where you're coming from too yeah

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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potent pivot from a balance perspective i think it being more common makes it easier to balan...

agreed

languid ravine Jan 14, 2025, 8:47 PM

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dead game

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 9:21 PM

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languid ravine dead game

TRUEING

jaunty osprey Jan 14, 2025, 9:25 PM

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servers up soon

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plunder not going live

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 9:26 PM

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Crys_Too_Death

jaunty osprey Jan 14, 2025, 9:27 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/plunderstorm-delayed-by-a-few-hours-arriving-later-today-in-na-362770?utm_source=discord-webhook

Wowhead

Plunderstorm Delayed by a Few Hours - Arriving Later Today in NA

Blizzard has announced that Plunderstorm will be slightly delayed, with The War Within realms coming up before the game mode is available. They still plan to bring Plunderstorm up today.

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 9:43 PM

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jaunty osprey https://www.wowhead.com/news/plunderstorm-delayed-by-a-few-hours-arriving-later-...

we up

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 9:44 PM

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plunder isnt though 😦

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 9:45 PM

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nop

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that'll likely follow the +2 hour original extension

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maybe more

severe helm Jan 14, 2025, 9:45 PM

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yeeeup

languid ravine Jan 14, 2025, 10:53 PM

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new mouse, new keybinds: skill level dropped by 1000 mmr

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monkey brain please

spring bough Jan 14, 2025, 10:59 PM

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we have to be near season end right? they are doing the heroic random box from the timewalk weekly and i thought they only did that like 5-6 weeks out from a new season

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 10:59 PM

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spring bough we have to be near season end right? they are doing the heroic random box from t...

nothing concrete yet but most assume season ends late Feb

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after plunderstorm

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but

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they posted the PTR dungeon/raid testing schedule this past week and it was like 8 weeks long iirc

spring bough Jan 14, 2025, 11:00 PM

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gothca. i always remember they update the timewalk box from normal to heroic when we are close

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and its like every week now heroic box until season end

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 11:00 PM

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i think at the earliest, it'll be last week of Feb

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at the latest, mid March ish

spring bough Jan 14, 2025, 11:03 PM

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someone ring me when plunderstorm is up. about the only thing to do till new season lol

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this purple set is FIIRE

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weps too

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and the mounts

potent pivot Jan 14, 2025, 11:04 PM

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spring bough this purple set is FIIRE

tru

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i think i only care about the sets ngl

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but i'll throw you a ping when it's up salutege

spring bough Jan 14, 2025, 11:05 PM

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got my new Technics earbuds yesterday too. ready to PLUNDER AND JAM

jaunty osprey Jan 15, 2025, 12:49 AM

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PLUNDY LIVE

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@spring bough

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RESTART BNET

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FULLY

spring bough Jan 15, 2025, 12:49 AM

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jaunty osprey PLUNDY LIVE

Awh yeah bout to be plunderstorming it up

potent pivot Jan 15, 2025, 12:50 AM

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jaunty osprey RESTART BNET

wtf i just did

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scAMMED

jaunty osprey Jan 15, 2025, 1:01 AM

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u can queue from inside wow

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holy shit

potent pivot Jan 15, 2025, 1:02 AM

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jaunty osprey u can queue from inside wow

spring bough Jan 15, 2025, 1:03 AM

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already buying stuff off the plunderstore

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love this

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just running around getting as much plunder off the ground as i can lol

severe helm Jan 15, 2025, 1:05 AM

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Did those lazy fucks not even update the map for plunder

spring bough Jan 15, 2025, 1:06 AM

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what do you mean?

severe helm Jan 15, 2025, 1:06 AM

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It's the same map as before

potent pivot Jan 15, 2025, 1:06 AM

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im lagging so bad lmao

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everyone's running in place