#pvp
potent pivot
jaunty osprey
FUCK THE RING
safe pelican
#RipLilCitrine
safe pelican
Pirates coming back with another bug soon don’t you worry let the devs fuck the game up rq 😂
Gunna squeeze some queues in before bed first let’s get it
safe pelican
Why does BM Hunter have so many heals what the actual fuck like die bro
You’re going to die just die
severe helm
can finally play assa again without getting 1 shot by ring outlaws
the ring really wasnt doing that much I swear haha
I would take it off in a lot of matchups it wasnt that worth it
it prob did have some rng moments where it killed when you wouldnt have otherwise
I remember killing a mage through bop because ring and coin procced
safe pelican
Nothing beats a good ol blitz comeback on arathi basin end on a good note 📝
jaunty osprey
the ring really wasnt doing that much I swear haha
it was insane in 3s
assa rogue
cant trinket ever
severe helm
nah
jaunty osprey
if outlaw still has bomb
severe helm
it really didnt do that much damage
jaunty osprey
yes
severe helm
I mean you can see how much damage it does
jaunty osprey
it hits hard, it hits for 250k a hit noncrit, and can rng - i've had it hit me nearly 2M in 3 seconds
severe helm
250k is pretty low
severe helm
nah only one of them hits that hard the other one is pad it just hits aoe
jaunty osprey
nah that's a hella fried take, u cant say it wasnt insane
i dont suddenly
drop from 2750 3s
severe helm
I mean I played it
jaunty osprey
to 2550
severe helm
so I know how much it does
jaunty osprey
only facing outlaws
severe helm
I mean theres os many factors there
severe helm
I mean Im happy for you im just saying your sample size is small and your conclusion isnt thorough haha
maybe youre winning cuz youre playing good
and you were playing too scared of the ring and it was making you lose
theres just no way to know which it was
jaunty osprey
nah, i was legit dying to it proccing 2m in 1 stun
severe helm
id love to see that haha
it would have to proc like 8 times in one stun
thats FAR from common
safe pelican
Mewo the anti-citrine activist 🤣
severe helm
Im just tryna be realistic
I used it the whole time, it was def worth at least 2-3% dps on outlaw
but it def wasnt making every smoke bomb a guaranteed kill
sour coral
which weapon enchant do you guys run? im seeing mixed reviews
potent pivot
which weapon enchant do you guys run? im seeing mixed reviews
for outlaw 2x Depths 100%
sour coral
❤️
spring bough
Reddit soft asf. How is a public name in a public game considered personal information. Unreal stretch of the rules
potent pivot
Reddit soft asf. How is a public name in a public game considered personal infor...
knew it was coming :|
severe helm
yeaaah I mean
worthy crag
to prevent naming and shaming
sour coral
Shaming/Witch hunting is a serious issue to be fair
worthy crag
has had 0 cases where they backfired since the 1300s 🎉
potent pivot
but it's... a videogame character's name
not like anyone is getting doxxed
two completely different things
spring bough
Yeah it’s a Reddit moderator flexing power online they wish they had in real life with some made up personal information rule so they can flex their power
potent pivot
i mean they list it as a rule tbf
so ofc it's gonna happen
i just disagree with it
spring bough
It’s a video game online that’s public. Personal information my ass lmao
potent pivot
yep
worthy crag
Its a vague argument to decide what is and isnt an extension of your privacy, like what car you drive, what your salary is, etc
sour coral
not like anyone is getting doxxed
Sort of. if you deep dive you can get alot of information from a players name/server
its really creepy to even think about tbh
worthy crag
what if ur toon is the name of your son or daughter
very common btw
or your own name for that matter
potent pivot
...this discussion is getting worse with every message
sour coral
yup its scary what people just leave on the net
potent pivot
if you chose to use your own name as your public videogame character's name
worthy crag
its a rabbit hole and the simplest solution is to prohibit it in any way or form
potent pivot
then did dumb shit
worthy crag
not some power flexing
potent pivot
people make youtube videos
jaunty osprey
regardless, it's not for doxxing
potent pivot
about the same shit
worthy crag
Doing dumb shit doesnt mean you should be punished for it
jaunty osprey
it's for witchhunting
worthy crag
except in arenas
potent pivot
nah
worthy crag
Just saying most policies exist for good reason and people have put logic into it, its not some malicious conspiracist theory that drives their creation
potent pivot
i agreed
potent pivot
Just saying most policies exist for good reason and people have put logic into i...
i get the reason for the rule
jaunty osprey
and just change heraldries
potent pivot
i just think it's kinda dumb when it's a videogame character
worthy crag
🤷
potent pivot
not arguing with their rule, they have every right to do what they want
but i'm allowed to form my own opinion on it
worthy crag
i personally dont think its a stretch to relate a character to a persona
reckful npc, ibelin etc
plenty of cases
potent pivot
people get blasted all the time
using their in game names or whatever social media handle, etc
what you choose to make public, is public
if it's done maliciously, i get it
that's bad
but if it's done to spread awareness of someone's actions, i don't get it
worthy crag
The salary of teachers in public schools is open to public but it would be rude to broadcast their salary in around their neighborhood or social gatherings
well
worthy crag
I think that last part is headed into vigilanteism
potent pivot
I think that last part is headed into vigilanteism
it's a videogame man
it just isn't that deep imo
jaunty osprey
o well
gotta start saving my honour
i guess
have
90k atm
but i have 6 rogues
worthy crag
What if 1 person was unjustly called a cheater and got harrassed until their ignore list got full and had to name change and someone on their btag leaks their new name too
😆😆
Its an extreme case but video games can constitute plenty of harrassment cases
potent pivot
i mean if it's fake then ofc that's dumb
if you're posting proof that's a bit different
how many thousands of times have people leaked DMs over something on the internet
could use the outlaw bug as an example
everyone that cheated keys/raids with it earlier this season
public knowledge
worthy crag
If the mods did exercise discretion in what is "baseless witchhunting" and what is "proven by evidence" then that would ironically constitute cases of power flexing
because it is their human judgment at that point
potent pivot
ye i mean like i said, i'm not arguing against reddit mod's rules
never said it was power flexing or w/e
worthy crag
I know, i was just circling back to the original posters accusation
The outlaw thinf was only deduced by who lost their rating and whatnot, no? I dont think there was an officially disclosed list
potent pivot
i mean blizzard didn't announce a list or anything no, they never do
but you could very easily tell who cheated
worthy crag
yeah
Kinda gets into a philosophical debate at that point, whether the punishment is sufficient in itself or additional shaming in a public forum is justified
on top of the possibility that blizz fucked up a few people who didnt actually cheat, which in this case is likely 0% but def has happened before
anyways
potent pivot
idk
anytime anyone cheats in a game and is caught
by a community
it is typically announced to make everyone aware
not by the company or w/e
worthy crag
Yeah, word spreads fast with or without reddit
potent pivot
if nothing is said, in general nothing will happen
reporting in game and moving on is not always a great solution in many cases, which is unfortunate, but it is what it is
vernal elbow
anyone already have an opinion on rogue next season what will be good? (not saying if bcs rogues feel busted every season)
tender ember
assa seems most stable and reliable
btw any1 got clue how cut offs work? like on seramate we got 'official/estimate' and following estimate for shuffle its 8 spots 2759 cr for eu, tho official 2684 with 33 spots
i guess most accurate is 2759 and 8 spots right?
estimate counted in those 8 spots an alt of 1 player tho so its kinda fuked up anyway i guess
potent pivot
btw any1 got clue how cut offs work? like on seramate we got 'official/estimate'...
On NA it’s 6 rn
potent pivot
anyone already have an opinion on rogue next season what will be good? (not sayi...
We’ve got zero idea of how things will be tuned
The tier sets aren’t even fully working on PTR yet
vernal elbow
ah fair i thought there s more info yet
only thing we know though is the new set is fucking delicious
potent pivot
We really won’t know for sure until a couple weeks INTO the new season
vernal elbow
aight thanks 🙂
potent pivot
PvP is a very trial and error type of content
Gotta test it after it goes live unfortunately
vernal elbow
ye my big hope is dh becoming great again - rogue i m not worried. they are strong every season it feels and get the best looking sets lol
still gonna start practicing assa to get used to it again as you guys suggested
jaunty osprey
i guess most accurate is 2759 and 8 spots right?
Ye
blizzard api been bugged and not updated since 11.0.7 patch
seramate is most accurate
but what you can do is go sort by your spec on seramate and sort rating from 1000-max
and then taking .1% of that
so example - let’s say 6800 assa rogues, that means 6.8 spots
u can assume it’ll be 7 by end of season
then just count 7 chars on leaderboard, EXCLUDE ANY ALTS INBETWEEN
Seramate shows people who hide chars, so it’s best to use and ladder updates every 3 hrs
sour coral
blame redirectiopn device seems like it'll be useful for tinker malfunction
sour coral
ive got a full set of bloody token gear waiting for me at 80. Im happy I tried out a kultiran
leveled up through BFA/Dragonflight and got a head start on tokens while i was leveling
outer karma
Is Creeping venom worth using in PVP rn?
severe helm
nah
crippling is strong enough
so many specs have freedoms/slow removals that creeping doesnt accomplish anything that crippling doesnt
outer karma
Unfortunate. I have no idea how to lock down monks then.
severe helm
ww or mw?
hazy monolith
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1hwbrh2/ptr_bloodstones_remain_the_...
well does not necessarily mean that it will stay that way.
sour coral
is there a macro that will use tinkers without showing the tooltip of the item?
#showtooltip 109076
/use 6
!
ah no wont work damn
severe helm
/use 6 doesnt work?
jaunty osprey
well does not necessarily mean that it will stay that way.
95% chance that it will.
The Bloodstones like Precog and whatnot require vicious bloodstones
They don’t ever really make new gems between different seasons, even in PVE.
If they add more main stat to them, people would use it in PVE.
In addition, some Algari recipes require bloodstones.
It’s looking like you craft S2 pvp gear with the same algari recipes, but just new heraldries
severe helm
bloodstones are def gona stay that way
jaunty osprey
Obviously ANYTHING can change, but really doubt it will. No need to play devils advocate
severe helm
what they might do though
is make any bloodstones people have become grey items
call them like "broken bloodstones" so that people dont hoard them going into s2
jaunty osprey
Nah they can’t do that because you can use them in PVE
severe helm
but I dont even think they will do that
the 5000 honor requirement on the setting is I think enough of an intended wall
so I dont think they care
sour coral
citrine ring is dead again in pvp right
jaunty osprey
Ya
sour coral
thats fine ill still upgrade the thing its kidna fun
tribal badger
@severe helm you play any sin this season
one of my friends is trying to quick blast 1800 on a rogue alt for the season mog
i told him to play sin since he doesnt play rogue or melee dps in general
sin actually doesnt play kingsbane in pvp rn??
just pve bleed andy build in solo shuffle?
tribal badger
what
severe helm
no kingsbane
wanton breach
it doesnt do any damage
severe helm
it got nerfed in pvp
tribal badger
too many pvp nerfs
tribal badger
i c
severe helm
or swear by it
but most people dont
and its easier to just not
if you want burst just send the 7cp envenom for like 2.5mil
tribal badger
yea i mean
severe helm
assa is very easy to play
tribal badger
its only less setup not playing with it so
xd
yea i know that its why i recommended it to him
severe helm
yeah he should be able to blast 1800
tribal badger
told him to make a step kick macro and pve whatevers in range into the ground while step kicking at least on kidneys
and he will aquire 1800 in a like one session
severe helm
but yeah prob just tell him to not be toooo concerned tyring to get bleeds on all 3
tribal badger
hes a good player fwiw he just literally never plays melee
severe helm
bleeds on 2 is enough and just making sure you use your vanish windows well
garrote silence is like a full 18 seconds after you leave stealth
its ridiculous
tribal badger
wtf...
severe helm
for some reason its tied to indiscriminate carnage
and not subterfuge
so as long as you have aoe garrote it also silences
its kind of insane
wraith tangle
KB is still very solid, it just needs setup and it is a bit harder to pull it of to its full potential.
jaunty osprey
for some reason its tied to indiscriminate carnage
It is not, it is tied to subterfuge
“Combat benefits requiring stealth persist for an additional 6 seconds after stealth breaks”
Subterfuge buffs improved garrote from 6 seconds to 12
IC has nothing to do with it
severe helm
It is not, it is tied to subterfuge
“Combat benefits requiring stealth persist ...
haha go test it out
it lasts past subt
oh yeah I see what youre saying
I look at indiscriminate cuz its the same timing
thats just the buff I look at
but its funny how they made it work cuz instead of subt just enabling garrote silence like it used to they made it start AFTER subt ends
which almost feels unintended
it genuinely feels like too long lol its remarkably op
felt like it turned what used to be a counterable window of 6 seconds into such a long duration that you really cant avoid it
white gazelle
did they nerf the ring in pvp
severe helm
yes
spring bough
Oh the nightly question. PvP or PVE night…. Idt I can get anymore mythic mog items till Tuesday unfortunately tho lol
jaunty osprey
felt like it turned what used to be a counterable window of 6 seconds into such ...
Well yes but no
It’s cause assa HAS to apply their hero talent/mark
within that subterfuge window
one disarm or being found out of stealth
means no hero talents
and it happens quite frequently that you dont get your improved garrotes out till the last 5-6 secs of the buff
waxen meteor
It’s a bit tricky our hero talent for sin is linked so tightly linked to ambush
It’s not that bad since we are picking subterfuge almost no matter what
spring bough
I like playing fatebound when I play sin then I don’t have to worry about that ambush Bs lol
waxen meteor
If one day we have better pick on talent tree, it will become a disaster
severe helm
one disarm or being found out of stealth
yeah I mean thats kinda rogue as a whole
you cc sub on their dance and they do negative damage
you cc outlaw during its crackshot and it does negative damage
deathstalkers mark is def really awkward I feel like if you dont have any active mark out it should just apply from a 7cp envenom or something
just kinda bad design of them to make it so dependant on the ambush
but I think they just designed it for sub and assa was an afterthought
spring bough
any chances any of the rogue hero talents get reworked like dark ranger did for hunter? still praying trickster gets some updates
sour coral
Somehow being faster iN stealth is such a hysterical concept to me
severe helm
any chances any of the rogue hero talents get reworked like dark ranger did for ...
honestly the trickster hero talents are better designed than fatebound
imo at least
pastel burrow
Somehow being faster iN stealth is such a hysterical concept to me
look at it this way, light and shadows move fast, your body + shadow = zoom
thats simple maths
sour coral
Ah yes. Speed.
hidden dome
Blitz sure is an experience
playing 2.4 lobbies at below 1.6
to be fair, won 9 out of 10 games so far
mystic pasture
its crazy how jacked your MMR gets relative to the amount of CR you earn. playing 1K over your current rating and getting 23 rating lol
glass hazel
now it will be always 20-25, brace yourself
hidden dome
yep I know, it's my 7th char I'm getting to 1.8 this season
I had a good run on my alts and chose to play a round on my main
and what do I get in a 2.35er lobby
His Blitz rating was 1.2 or something like that
I swear someone at Blizz just hand picks actual rating assassins each time I queue on my rogue.
The games my teams win are hardcore struggles where I get 10 rating at most.
The games I lose are one sided 6 minute stomps with heals and tanks on my team that never hit 1.8 before and they cost 16 rating.
The best rogue in the world wouldn't be able to climb with my teams.
outer sky
This is a friend of mine. Her win/loss ratio is negative in every single bracket
I'm having a rough night myself tbh
Although these are the teammates I keep getting
hidden dome
I just sold my pvp gear
I can't do this shit on my rogue anymore
I bet not a single person on planet earth could climb with the teams I get
I do not intent to play another 100 games of pure suffering to maybe get what I could've gotten if I had gotten lucky with teammates for 2 or 3 games.
outer sky
Here's another one. My healer did less than half the healing theirs did
Idk how these people get dressed in the morning
Lay on hands was high top heal
Where do I find these people
hidden dome
Once you hit a losing streak Blitz stops being fun instantly
the teammates you get are actual griefers
Best part is, a friend has won less games and lost more games, yet is almost 80 ratings above me
Brilliant fucking system
I honestly wish to meet the guy who designed the rating system for Blitz some day to ask him why it is the way it is. I bet the bad design is on purpose to torture players
hazy monolith
so true
hidden dome
From my testing CR does not matter at all when it comes to Matchmaking.
And MMV only limits who you can play with.
I think actual matchmaking in based on a Momentum value where people who are winning are matched with people who are also winning and people who are losing are matched with other guys on a losing streak.
Once you get into a losing stream then you never see guys with good winrates again
or when you do they are on a losing streak too
hazy monolith
i just had a 1on2 in skirmish vs mage, ret. killed the mage but couldnt kill the ret afterwards because he pressured me to engage with ressing the mage so i could never fully regen on reset
inner tartan
that aswell
tbh i havnt 1v1 a ret in a while but i have played outlaw for a bit
been having 2 much fun on monk
ik the last wargame i did i kinda kites one around with fun bte procs but even then they are so fucken anoying
outer sky
How does this guy not die to sudden demise he has 47k hp and 13 seconds of garrote and 10 seconds of rupture on him
that means I don't have 118k worth of damage on him
hazy monolith
shield?
kind pasture
Did the pve ring get gutted for outlaw today?
hazy monolith
Did the pve ring get gutted for outlaw today?
ye
hardy tinsel
Did the pve ring get gutted for outlaw today?
What happened?
I can’t find patch note for that
potent pivot
I can’t find patch note for that
there isn't one
the ring was hotfixed
it's properly nerfed in pvp now, like it was supposed to be from the start
inner tartan
im a bad healer but this is low key e z asf
narrow brook
hi there, diminish by wards & jaesa doesn t work anymore, any of u got something to track DR on nameplate pls ?
gusty hedge
outer karma
Ngl it's only MW I struggle with. Mb I'm narcoleptic so I just randomly sleep for ages
I did over like 41m damage going down the WSG Ramp to them but they healed like 50+ so big pain.
And that was with like interrupts, stuns, so on.
outer karma
I NOTICED tbf I think Hemo doesn't actually work
outer karma
Like maybe Wounding overlaps with Hemo?
inner tartan
and when i was on rogue evokers also would not die
outer karma
I can sometimes kill them if they missplay
But it's much harder to missplay on Monks
inner tartan
i do play outlaw and we dont realy have kill controll or anything but they just wouldnt die and it was a normal i wasnt super geared but i was salt watering and bersekers and they just shrugged it of
ya caster or fw
or lighting build
outer karma
I assume there's no real way to deal with it then considering if they're the EFC in WSG they're not only more mobile but invincible
inner tartan
i think the lightnig dosent cost mana i dont play it cuz i donjt like it but my friends play it side note my outlaw is all ves crt do i need haste or dose the rtb talent cover me
outer karma
Idk I purely play assassin everything else too hard
inner tartan
on efc flag maps if ur team isnt group up and going in 1 shot it a gg go next
outer karma
That's usually the case but tbf I can't blame them if the Monk moves between points in under 20 seconds
No one can catch up
inner tartan
also what i love doing in areans on my void elf monk is th2 double port racial rings trible rol + jump tiger lust if done right they can catch u unless ut a dk and even then if i have something to hide behind we good
outer karma
If I blow both shadowsteps and sprint I can for like a second but you know then they just teleport
inner tartan
play outlaw : ) 4 grappling hook which u can reset soooo fast
outer karma
Too hard I like my maybe 5 button press combo
inner tartan
outlaw is a cheat for moplitied but from what i have been told they arnt good in biltz
even thou i was top damage in 90 percent of mine so i call bs but im only 1700 in biltz
outer karma
I think it's more like you lose more utilitty
inner tartan
Too hard I like my maybe 5 button press combo
outlaw im not even joking once u get it u get it and it cake
potent pivot
Like maybe Wounding overlaps with Hemo?
hemo and wound don't stack
only the strongest effect will work if they are both applied at once
outer karma
Oh no I more so mean I think Hemo is overwritten by Wound
inner tartan
dose sin still run all the slow talents
outer karma
That's how it feels at least
E.g. if I hemo someone then burst them with wound on, it may break my hemo
inner tartan
also any one is it just me or in solos dose sin rogue be super squishy i dont play it but must of the times they get dropped soooo fast
potent pivot
Oh no I more so mean I think Hemo is overwritten by Wound
it shouldn't be
outer karma
It's the only way I can explain how a 50% heal cut is doing basically nothing visually
potent pivot
dose sin still run all the slow talents
just crippling poison really
outer karma
(If I accept it's just they're that broken rn I'll lose all will to PVP 
)
potent pivot
It's the only way I can explain how a 50% heal cut is doing basically nothing vi...
hemo is 30%
outer karma
...Really?
potent pivot
ya
outer karma
They should make it 50
potent pivot
outer karma
That'd fix like 90% of problemsd
outer karma
Well yeah I can't complain too much, but I don't want to end up dodging all flag capture PVPs if the enemy has a MW monk
Which is growing kinda likely at this point. It's just demotivating to watch someone outsprint you and the entire team with ease.
potent pivot
ye that's just how blitz is
outer karma
Huh seems pointless to play it then imo
Tbf once I hit my 1.8 I likely will just leave it, I want my set
And I'm only like... 3/4 wins away
potent pivot
wait u run death from above
not everyone runs dfa, only a couple ppl run it sometimes
the tooltip says it's limited to 6cp, but i don't think it is
inner tartan
the tool tip kept changing for me
15 percent 40 percent blah blah for outlaw i run the hast run the percenjt one and normal cloak
some time the aoe heal or speed im trash never smoke bomb
unless im trolling
potent pivot
you lost me
inner tartan
when home i show
if i remeber
basicly for outlaw is this what most people run and for ho coin toss do i still want some hast or am i good ves mastery and rtbh talent
i do have a hast set of gear but it on a different rogue i play trickster with
potent pivot
basicly for outlaw is this what most people run and for ho coin toss do i still ...
ye we just change out cloak for bomb or disarm
depends on match up
tropic zinc
@potent pivot @severe helm we've been struggling a bit playing outlaw/aff/disc. I've been maining outlaw for a while, but I'm debating if I should switch to assa or sub for this comp.
Also, our priest has been experimenting with the voidweaver hero talent and a void weaver gear set to help push our damage.
Any thoughts on this comp or things we could try?
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> <@151872253229924352> we've been struggling a bit playing ...
assa/aff is doing quite well rn
potent pivot
basicly for outlaw is this what most people run and for ho coin toss do i still ...
you do want some haste. no mastery.
inner tartan
mastery is bad
potent pivot
haste to ~10% from gear, the rest vers>crit
inner tartan
i so want a mastery rework on outlaw
at the least dosent it still not work with bladefurry but nromal melee dose
also when i was messing on my night elf racial on dummys and pve leveling stuff when ever i use the raical stealthed and bte it still went on cd ?
should i stealth use a combo generator or is there soemthign else i can do to skip this
waxen meteor
you lost me
@inner tartan it’s the same for me
That pvp talent tooltip is buggy
If you reset normally it shows correctly cp needed
But if you just swap pvp talent
inner tartan
dose it sometime show u 40 percent increase instead of 15 ?
waxen meteor
9/10 times the tooltip text doesn’t get updated
potent pivot
also when i was messing on my night elf racial on dummys and pve leveling stuff ...
if you stealth while subterfuge active it breaks. make sure to let subterfuge end.
inner tartan
ya i know i was useing it as a 3rd vanish so i would click it stealth bte and it would get subterfudge but it would go on c
potent pivot
idr exactly
but i'd just use a generator first ya
but also yeah dfa tooltip is weird
it was meant to be buffed during tww beta
inner tartan
Oo
When I was a f2p at 20 with sl talent if u had a pre 2 cp ambush ghostly strike dfa was a clean 1 shot if they were bad under geared leveled if u had blade furry up it was a aoe 1 shot only time I ever used it as outlaw
And my f2p account. Still has more kills the my main account
tropic zinc
The difference a good healer makes holy shit
How do you like assa/aff? We've been playing outlaw/aff, but I'm thinking of switching
outer sky
How do you like assa/aff? We've been playing outlaw/aff, but I'm thinking of swi...
I dont like it at all. I swear it's not good. Its just that's the comp everyone wants to play with me. I'd prefer to play assa/boomie, assa/dev, or assa/UDK any day. But assa/affi is def better than outlaw/affi
Like it's really good into melee cleaves or shit that cant kite very well like fury/spriest but as soon as you run into a comp with a lot of mobility your cleave gets shut down and you cant generate enough spread pressure to kill anything before you get blown up
and even into melee cleaves your lock has to be really good because he will be getting trained
I'd rather play with something that has high burst DPS to compensate for assa spread pressure/low single target
so even if you cant cleave effectively you still always have pressure
outer karma
What's supposed to be my job in an RBG exactly
potent pivot
What's supposed to be my job in an RBG exactly
can depend on the map, but mostly playing objectives
assa can do really good team fight damage, but usually a rogue's job is to focus objectives
cap bases, ninja bases, kill enemy FC or help protect your FC, etc
outer sky
Does everyone who's actually good at this game only play to boost
potent pivot
no
outer sky
I asked that hpal if he wants to push glad with me and he says he's a multi r1 and would give me a discount on his normal boosting rate
this is like the 3rd time thats happened
potent pivot
l0l
outer karma
It feels like most of the people this afternoon are just AFKing in RBGs
bleak dagger
If you’re good at something, make sure you get payed for it ;). Outlaw without the ring isn’t bad, actually much stronger burst putting back my vers/crit crafted ring on
outer karma
Is Solo shuffle probably better to run than RBGs at this point?
potent pivot
Is Solo shuffle probably better to run than RBGs at this point?
imo yeah
it's faster if all you want are quick rewards
potent pivot
Think I'mma also stick to Wound over Hemo
everyone just plays both
outer karma
What's the interaction there?
potent pivot
there is no interaction
you're just going to have some sort of MS up most of the time
MS is strong af
outer karma
Should I swap out Control is King then for it?
I get way too much value from Cloak/Screen
potent pivot
huh
outer karma
Veil of Midnight/Smoke Screen mb
potent pivot
veil is only good into certain stuff
we play hemo/bomb/x mostly
x being veil/disarm/tricks buff
outer karma
Huh, what do we do with the bleeds then considering basically everything lasts over a minute now except our bleeds
Like Rend takes ages to drop as a example
outer karma
...I know this is a stupid question but can we change it in the pre-time before the solo
potent pivot
ye
outer karma
Well damn
potent pivot
before every round
outer karma
I assume Control is King is rarely used then
outer karma
Huh I use it to kind of account for my really low haste
outer karma
Energy regen
outer karma
Oh well damn I didn't know that
severe helm
<@629463378250956810> <@151872253229924352> we've been struggling a bit playing ...
Yeah if you're playing that comp with outlaw you'll have to play to try to make the game go long. Outlaw just doesn't do enough damage to win early with affi. Assa should feel a lot better and you can win games earlier just off of pressure alone
safe pelican
Go sin brother if you’re playing with a lock Naaru
Shit cranks prolly my fav rogue comp to play with outside or rogue mage
Someone wisp’d me and asked me why do i play blitz cause it’s so toxic , i was like thats the best part ! Getting called a “ dog shit rogue “ one game by someone just to have them on the other team the next game is what i live for in wow that and backcap 1v1s 🤣
outer sky
I cannot believe what I am seeing
@potent pivot get a load of this guy. This is exactly the shit I was talking to you about, presented in the most obvious, obnoxious way possible
"multi glad"
2
from Shadowlands
and now he thinks hes hot shit
and is charging people to play
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> get a load of this guy. This is exactly the shit I was tal...
Isn’t LFG advertising reportable
outer sky
i think only if its RMT?
potent pivot
I mean idk what to tell you
If someone’s good enough to boost there’s nothing wrong with them boosting
But I would report the listing for advertising in LFG
That’s kinda the only reason some folks still play at this point in the season
worthy crag
multiglad - basic package:
corrupted season
unchained season
spring bough
from Shadowlands
Wasn’t glad in shadowlands pretty easy to get too?
outer sky
Wasn’t glad in shadowlands pretty easy to get too?
yes. it's harder to get duelist in 3s right now than it was to get glad then
worthy crag
unchained > corrupted > rest of sl
outer sky
Corrupted wasnt "easy" as much as it was just super RNG heavy
if you played enough games youd eventually get glad
thats true every season
but especially that one
worthy crag
corrupted had more glads than the other 3 bfa season glads combined iirc
and unchained was about 3x corrupted
spring bough
corrupted had more glads than the other 3 bfa season glads combined iirc
That’s a crazy stat lol. One season had more glads than 3 combined????
outer sky
That’s a crazy stat lol. One season had more glads than 3 combined????
yeah because season 4 had "corruptions" which negated any minute amount of skill needed to play the game
worthy crag
well also the fact that it was the last season of the expac, legion s7 was more popular than the earlier ones too but yeah thats what i heard
outer sky
proc gushing wounds enough times and you win
potent pivot
That’s a crazy stat lol. One season had more glads than 3 combined????
that's just how it goes. more participation=more inflation=easy glad
spring bough
I didn’t start getting heavy back into PvP until season 4 of shadowlands at the end when solo shuffle got introduced so I missed all that 😭
worthy crag
Why be aware of trinket when you have vitality conduit and 25 sec sac cd
outer sky
Why be aware of trinket when you have vitality conduit and 25 sec sac cd
no dude
it was ineffable truth
everyone on your team HoJ'd
at the same time
like wtf
worthy crag
shadowy duel drestagath
outer sky
or the haste corruptions
worthy crag
Look at the skeelz
outer sky
for casters
remember that trinket that boosted your targets corruption
and then like 5 things from beyond would just kill them for you
indigo hill
What is Veil of Midnight used against? War and Feral?
outer sky
What is Veil of Midnight used against? War and Feral?
feral, assa, WW. Everything else is up to you
IF you take Veil of Midnight, you may choose to use it to cloak off disarm in some cases. Do NOT take Veil of Midnight just to be able to cloak off disarm
worthy crag
not as a default but its a strong reason to take it vs some matchups
outer sky
and save it for things like karma
the problem with "saving it for karma" is that ideally you'd never even need to press cloak in the first place. You press it if youre in trouble. So either you need it before you get karma'd or you dont. You can't really intentionally save it for Karma because the situation you'd use it in before Karma requires you to use it or you die. If that's not the situation then you wasted cloak and that's just a misplay
also be careful sometimes WW monks will karma you just to bait your cloak. Don't cloak karma unless there's a real reason to
scripting it is a bad idea
worthy crag
Its like how decent priests can grip during kidney and bomb, esp classes w/ ranged disarms will regularly pull off disarms like that and sometimes its just convenient to cloak it
outer sky
Its like how decent priests can grip during kidney and bomb, esp classes w/ rang...
its an option for sure. My advice was not to take the talent just for the purpose of doing that
worthy crag
yes nothing is set in stone lol
outer sky
I was just in a SS match and keep in mind this was a 2700 lobby and the enemy healer was an hpal. I was playing kingsbane this match and I wanted to set up a go on the boomie since he just barkskinned and trinketed
but the hpal still had 1 BoP left
so I deathmarked the boomie
before the go
knowing the hpal would BoP it
off script
even though its a shit CD
and doesnt deserve BoP
just to get that shit out of the way
for my real go with kingsbane 10s later
and he did it
Those are the people that want you to pay them to carry you btw
absolute trash tier braindead shitters that just respond like some primitive ape to stimuli
you can literally choose what buttons people press
worthy crag
Their weakaura was screaming deathmark so they had to deactivate it probably
Throw the game maybe but save their ears
wraith tangle
Finally some KB enjoyer. I though that I am alone
potent pivot
plenty of us still run KB
outer sky
Finally some KB enjoyer. I though that I am alone
i only do it into certain things
jaunty osprey
I dont like it at all. I swear it's not good. Its just that's the comp everyone ...
Hot take.
Assa Aff is insane, but with a Disc Priest
Holy Paladin is good, but way better with Disc
jaunty osprey
i don't think using it vs disarm as a default is good
Correct
jaunty osprey
Those are the people that want you to pay them to carry you btw
I mean without a vod, this is the correct thing to do for the hpal
Boomy has no defensives, he’s playing Paladin
Paladins need to stay ahead, if they fall behind, it’s so difficult for them
He’s trading a CD for a CD
outer sky
He’s trading a CD for a CD
he could easily just pve heal deathmark with holy shocks though. It really does nothing
responding to it just because its a CD seems weird
hazy monolith
hi there, diminish by wards & jaesa doesn t work anymore, any of u got something...
still works for me
outer sky
Assa Aff is insane, but with a Disc Priest
I get absolutely farmed playing that comp. Every healer in the game can heal through the damage without a care in the world. Assa/Boomie or Assa/Dev has done way better for me since boomie and dev have damage that matters for more than just flexing on the meters
jaunty osprey
he could easily just pve heal deathmark with holy shocks though. It really does ...
That’s just not how healing works
Lmao
Lock isn’t a flex on meters
If they land a haunt shadowbolt on a target that you’re on while CC is on the healer, it’s insta -50%
hazy monolith
also be careful sometimes WW monks will karma you just to bait your cloak. Don't...
I always kite karma, am I doing it wrong?
jaunty osprey
Don’t play Veil for JUST karma
severe helm
bopping deathmark is def the right decision lol
even if its a 'bait deathmark'
youd end up committing more cds trying to heal through it raw
severe helm
I really feel like people who havent played healer really dont know how much damage deathmark is
that shit fucking CRANKS
jaunty osprey
Healing isn’t as simple as casting holy shock
and then he has to waste
10 globals
instead of 1
severe helm
as a disc priest I can barely heal passive assa dots
if they deathmark and I dont have a defensive up for it and I take ANY amount of cc, theyre 100% dead
that being said, hpal is disgustingly strong rn so I kinda feel that
I need to find a way to dodge hpal lobbies as outlaw I swear
its a struggle to even go 3-3 in that lobby
winning against an hpal feels impossible as outlaw
denounce deletes all of my damage I swear
outer sky
That’s just not how healing works
my point is that pressing deathmark equates to such a negligible dps increase that you may as well not consider it a cooldown. I dont really respond to it any differently than I respond to adrenaline rush
it has some niche utility for energy regen if youre stuck single targeting but most of the time it's most useful as bait for people who dont know any better
like I actually stopped tracking it with my omnibar
thats how little i care about deathmark
jaunty osprey
my point is that pressing deathmark equates to such a negligible dps increase th...
That’s because you aren’t a healer
outer sky
i dont need to be a healer to know what my buttons do
jaunty osprey
Deathmark is a bad CD because people can trade their CDs to remove it or make it do nothing
Deathmark isn’t a bad CD because it does no damage
Deathmark cranks
Stop doing your feelycraft shit again lol
outer sky
idk if observing someones health not moving despite no defensives being pressed is "feelycraft shit"
jaunty osprey
It’s really bad when we get newcomers in here and they read the stuff you say sometimes
Deathmark absolutely cranks, could be user error idk
Deathmark is only bad because BOPs, Caut Flame, Dwarf racials
are so prevalent and can remove it easily
outer sky
thats like saying avatar and ascendance (enhance) are bad because they can be disarmed
jaunty osprey
Deathmark also makes sure your sudden demise procs insta at 10%
Disarm doesn’t last all of avatar nor ascendance
nor does it remove the buff entirely
When people talk about deathmark being bad, they’re not talking about it doing no damage
that’s just you
they talk about how easily it can be removed
dwarf is a 2 min cd, deathmark is 2 mins
Caut flame is 1 min, deathmark is 2 mins
Paladins have 2x bops
outer sky
on my WW I can run at a warlock with dark pact up and in a few globals eat right through it. On my rogue I can have full bleeds up with deathmark and it wont break the dark pact shield for its full duration
with nothing else being used
outer sky
I do actually
jaunty osprey
and to make their shield smaller
jaunty osprey
Also, no 2 classes are exactly the same, idk why you’re comparing them
WW is bursty, assa “isn’t”
It’s a ramp
outer sky
if you cant break a 1m CD shield with all of your CDs then you probably have shit CDs
jaunty osprey
If you can’t solo break Dark Pact, that’s on you
you’re playing wrong as I always say
outer sky
this is pointless to argue about. your commentary wont increase the damage of the cooldown
jaunty osprey
But you’re always dooming about the wrong things
outer sky
i;m not dooming about it
jaunty osprey
There is a difference between opinions and facts, and you’re trying to make it seem like a fact
You’re absolutely wrong
outer sky
yeah youre right I just deleted someone because I pressed deathmark I'm wrong youre right as always its totally OP
jaunty osprey
Idk, highest assa rogue in NA for 3v3 and shuffle atm 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah deathmark totally sucks yup
awful!!
outer sky
I was agreeing with you
jaunty osprey
My main problem is that you’re speaking as if it’s a fact when we get new players in here every day
jaunty osprey
I’m not giving you an order? Never said you can’t say what you said
Just said that you’re wrong
and misleading people as per usual
saying it isn’t worth pressing ambush to apply hero talent, to not worth cheap shotting, to not worth pressing Deathmark
you might as well not play Rogue
outer sky
i never said it wasnt worth cheap shotting lol
selective memory
i didnt say that about DM either
in my example I pressed it
like what
jaunty osprey
Negligible dps is hilarious
outer sky
that doesn't mean never press it lmfao yes its a low dps CD
okay, i've spent enough time arguing about this. I have customers to deal with. I can respond to whatever else you decide to pretend I said later
severe helm
my point is that pressing deathmark equates to such a negligible dps increase th...
wdym
deathmark does insane dps
its one of the biggest cds in the game
not many specs even have a cd larger than that
it duplicates all your bleeds
The ONLY thing that keeps deathmark balanced is that specs have ways to remove it
only cd I can think of thats bigger than deathmark damage wise is probably ascendance as enhance
potent pivot
you know it's nerfed in pvp right
potent pivot
ya
severe helm
Just as a single button not many things in the game compete with that
potent pivot
i think there's multiple CDs that are better dps wise
jaunty osprey
Still insane as a CD
Deathmark, shiv, kidney smokebomb some1 w no trinket
severe helm
its so nice as assa
to be able to press a single cd
and automatically force a defensive
with almost no setup
jaunty osprey
Deathmark also duplicates the garrore silence (on DR)
severe helm
just guaranteed trade
jaunty osprey
so u dont gotta press garrote again to resilence someone
severe helm
Deathmark also duplicates the garrore silence (on DR)
oh thats wild
jaunty osprey
Yep
So garrote 3s silence, shiv, WHATEVER GLOBAL, deathmark (silences again for 1.5)
severe helm
the other "big" cds I can think of are probably incarn, ascend, maaaybe icy veins
WW cds used to be scary but arent really anymore
but now incarn is like 2 charges 1 min cd right?
its big but not that scary
severe helm
yeah blades + flag is pretty scary
potent pivot
i fucking hate deathmark
severe helm
tyrant isnt scary anymore
potent pivot
so i just shit on it
severe helm
I dont think its a well designed button
its too strong for how easy some specs have solutions for it
so its insane into some people and worthless into others
potent pivot
it's like, the last removable 2min CD in the game?
severe helm
welp kill target is a dwarf so we cant deathmark him
potent pivot
is Combust even purgable or w/e anymore
severe helm
no
jaunty osprey
But deathmark still isn’t bad or what Zicore was saying
jaunty osprey
only bad cause can be removed
severe helm
deathmark is not bad cuz it is weak damage wise
thats for sure
its bad cuz it has solutions
potent pivot
ye i mean i'm just ignoring that entire debate
severe helm
soulrot ig
but they have dispel protection
warbreaker ig
but thats a shortish cd
jaunty osprey
But 1 min CD too
severe helm
ye
hazy monolith
omg guys
just had my first bgb today
and an aug evoker thought is was a good idea to be the fc
severe helm
I mean
hazy monolith
and wanted to hand it over to shaman mid game
hazy monolith
with sub on other team
severe helm
rippp
severe helm
Disc should def hold the flag there
hazy monolith
i dont see a world where aug is better than outlaw in quickly getting the flag to hand over
severe helm
aug just has no value anywhere else
hazy monolith
especially when hes being trained already since he entered the enemy base @ warsong
severe helm
aug is tankier than outlaw too and almost as fast
aug doesnt buff damage relaly
not that much anymore
I mean outlaw is fine to pick and transfer as well but if I had an aug that wanted to do it I would def let them
severe helm
outlaw is very versatile
but yeah I NEVER drop flag if theres anyone in stealth
ive lost so many games that way holy shit
potent pivot
Isn’t there a macro people use
severe helm
to drop it yeah
potent pivot
And put on scroll wheel
severe helm
but you can macro picking it up
potent pivot
To pick it up
severe helm
my buddy has one of those mousewheels that glides
potent pivot
Just interact?
hazy monolith
i have this
/cancelaura [nomod] Alliance Flag
/cancelaura [nomod] Horde Flag
/cancelaura [nomod] Netherstorm Flag
severe helm
but yeah my buddy with this mouse cna just start the wheel spinning and then just wiggle his mouse and it just picks up almost insta
its crazy
also there are plenty of people who have bots to pick up sadly
jaunty osprey
Just interact?
Ye
potent pivot
Word
hazy monolith
outlaw is very versatile
sure the idea is to support the flag after handover
i dont think aug is faster than outlaw
never
4 grapple is too insane against hover
jaunty osprey
And then you ADR + roll cdr buff
and just slice once and almost have another 2x hook back up
^____^
hazy monolith
EZ
jaunty osprey
Best FC is sub rogue
shadowstepping your duo
Watch avidance play is like watching a movie
it’s so beautiful
severe helm
sure the idea is to support the flag after handover
yeah I dont see aug often but my buddy is the r1 aug in blitz and he usually fcs
or at least does the hand off
just cuz there really isnt anything else for aug to do
severe helm
Best FC is sub rogue
naaah
best fc is mw on eu
so busted
if you know the port spots youre almost unkillable
jaunty osprey
meant like non mw
severe helm
once you get back to base
jaunty osprey
non traditional fc role
severe helm
ah yeah
severe helm
4 grapple is too insane against hover
hover cant be stopped though
you can gimp a grapple easy
hover is a blink + 10 seconds of freedom
its comically op
if im getting slowed I cant keep up with a pres as an outlaw
they have too many immunities
shroud + deep breath + dream breath + hover hover hover + time spiral
and their wall makes them kick immune
in terms of crossing the map I think pres might be one of the safest
otulaw is def the fastest
jaunty osprey
https://www.twitch.tv/sfurytv my goat
hazy monolith
hover cant be stopped though
of course it can be stopped
just cc
hf try to reach a rogue that just blinked 160 yd
plus you can stealth into base
and you have sprint
strong insta cc
sour coral
otulaw is def the fastest
When it works yea
severe helm
of course it can be stopped
no as in it always moves you
grapple can be stopped
any root or knock will cancel the movement
and you wont even get to use the 2nd charge
if any one of those grapples gets gimped the outlaw can die soooo esaily in a stun
I only pick flag as outlaw when im going for a fast cap or when its at the start of the game
or if theyre literally like about to cap obv
mystic pasture
Does Deathmark only duplicate what is already in the target? Or does it also apply to bleeds added during DM?
hazy monolith
any root or knock will cancel the movement
cloak EZ
severe helm
if you burn cloak that early just to grapple youre dead af when they touch you
potent pivot
Does Deathmark only duplicate what is already in the target? Or does it also app...
it's dynamic
hazy monolith
they dont touch me since im 160 yd away
which is more than enough to hand over
omfg warrior zugs my blinded target so we cant cap
blitz is so tilting its amazing
hazy monolith
just had a shuffle where pres didnt press communion, afkd one round after i told him and then had a hpal against mage that didnt dispell ONCE and told me to l2p
some days are rough
outer sky
LOL this strategy
"Bleed the druid so that I can remove them every 30 seconds"
"Ye"
hazy monolith
😵💫
severe helm
just had a shuffle where pres didnt press communion, afkd one round after i told...
Bro idk what's up with healers lately but they don't fucking dispel
Literally end the round with 0 dispels most games
It's bizarre
molten hedge
anyone know if thats a gladiusex setting maybe? on the right over trinket it shows the cds i dont want that
outer sky
Bro idk what's up with healers lately but they don't fucking dispel
I can tell if a healer is good by how high they prio dispelling me during subterfuge
potent pivot
anyone know if thats a gladiusex setting maybe? on the right over trinket it sho...
think so ya
safe pelican
if you burn cloak that early just to grapple youre dead af when they touch you
That’s the trick they not gunna touch me after that 🤣
Cloak double grapple sprint smoke bomb the tunnel feint evasion on WSG is my play
Rogue too squishy for me though like you said i hate FC if it’s not a fast cap or at the start
safe pelican
I can tell if a healer is good by how high they prio dispelling me during subter...
What in tarnation dispelling subterfuge is insanely big brained
Never even thought of that lmao i would be sickkkk
outer sky
Never even thought of that lmao i would be sickkkk
what are you talking about?
severe helm
Cloak double grapple sprint smoke bomb the tunnel feint evasion on WSG is my pla...
yeah then the sub rogue catches you and one shots you in a kidney
cuz he was waiting at your base the whole tiem
mystic pasture
yeah then the sub rogue catches you and one shots you in a kidney
Sub rogues went extinct didnt they?
severe helm
Sub rogues went extinct didnt they?
wym sub is the best spec in blitz
its in most games
muted marsh
has the circlet ring being properly nerfed on pvp?
sour coral
yes, per the hotfix notes
potent pivot
yes, per the hotfix notes
Idk if it made it into any notes, haven’t checked since it was fixed a couple days ago though
But ye it got fixed
fluid plover
outlaw was so much harder to get 2.4 with
indigo hill
How many win/loss you got in outlaw?
fluid plover
about 1k both way 51 % winrate
outlaw just gets fucked by all the warriors who think they can press shockwave or hunters that randomly triple dr your stun with binding shot.
indigo hill
Wars are a pain to deal with for me. Feels like their damage is way to high on fury.
safe pelican
yeah then the sub rogue catches you and one shots you in a kidney
Lmaoooo the worst bro I’m just sitting there praying he fumbles 🤣
gleaming sentinel
outlaw just gets fucked by all the warriors who think they can press shockwave o...
I try to say “let me stun kill target” and they stormbolt first global
bleak dagger
That’s my one question to solo shuffle players with a ranged stun, why are they always using it on KT and not healer
indigo hill
Because warriors don't brain.
sour coral
Nightelf in general is bonkers but I’m a mechagnome and recently kultiran enjoyer. You haven’t lived till you stealth punch someone off a cliff for an hk
Haymaker has no right being so fun
severe helm
Wars are a pain to deal with for me. Feels like their damage is way to high on f...
I usually tell them I will stun all targets you just zug. All globals DPS
And they're pretty happy about that
indigo hill
Haymaker has no right being so fun
Doesnt it take you out of stealth before it goes off_
chrome schooner
I mean if you are stealthed you can just Cheap Shot :p
indigo hill
Are frostm ages getting their cc nerfed ever?
severe helm
Are frostm ages getting their cc nerfed ever?
the stun?
or the roots
the roots are toxic I feel like they should drop that talent haha
the 10% chance to get rooted that isnt on the dr
very dumb
indigo hill
The roots. Everything they do roots or slows like crazy. With their mobility on top its a pain to los them.
halcyon timber
Dunno why but that reminded me of roots bloody roots from soulfly. Great song
someone here bullying the scoreboard
hazy monolith
Dunno why but that reminded me of roots bloody roots from soulfly. Great song
BIG TRUE
karmic summit
Pvp world
sour coral
It’s a new thing there’s an enhance shaman guy who does it. I don’t get why
tawdry lodge
How impactful is the Swift Slicer (bonus slice & dice based on Haste) talent in outlaw pvp?
thinking about dropping it for greenskin's wickers
jaunty osprey
das me
ember elbow
anyone know if thats a gladiusex setting maybe? on the right over trinket it sho...
im pretty sure its a bif debuffs setting, took me ages to find out what was it lol
molten hedge
im pretty sure its a bif debuffs setting, took me ages to find out what was it l...
I disabled gladiusex, and it disappeared. But maybe it is another bc I see nothing in gladiusex pertaining to that. . If you remember what exactly it is, let me know pls!!
ember elbow
I disabled gladiusex, and it disappeared. But maybe it is another bc I see nothi...
if i remember corectly its still from big debuffs, go to settings and disable unit frames, i might be wrong tho
molten hedge
if i remember corectly its still from big debuffs, go to settings and disable un...
Wonderful I’ll try it. Thank you!!
severe helm
thinking about dropping it for greenskin's wickers
you cant drop it for gsw
its in the wrong tier
you can drop it for combat stam
but thats about it
GSW your only real option to drop is CtO or GS
jaunty osprey
U do not play KB + supercharger on any char anymore? Cg btw.
i play whatever im feeling
idk i dont think the build matters at all
outer sky
Are frostm ages getting their cc nerfed ever?
frostbite and blast wave just need to be removed from the game with no compensation
spring bough
how is pvp today
am i gonna be happy or sad when this que pops lol
19 minutes into que, 3 pops, no go so far....
safe pelican
Like 4pm in cali wait til 5 should get better queue times i usually do at least
mystic pasture
I mean if you are stealthed you can just Cheap Shot :p
Cheap shot is good so they can’t use an ability to get back on the ledge (shadowstep, blink, leap, grapple, glider, etc)
stable vine
is a pvp Sub up rn ?
i´ve seen lot of videos guys having a macro for oneshot ppl in pvp 😮
safe pelican
is a pvp Sub up rn ?
i´ve seen lot of videos guys having a macro for oneshot ppl...
Huh ? “ is a pvp sub rn “