pvp

[severe helm]

it gets affected byt the debuff

[safe pelican]

oh im not speaking on going through the debuff im just saying they always have a button to press

[severe helm]

this is what makes them op

the more damage they take the more healing they do

and it ignores debuff

[safe pelican]

oh thats pretty fucked

[severe helm]

its insanely broken

I believe rewewing blaze also goes through the debuff but not 100% sure

[safe pelican]

retired.

lost so much rating these last two weekends lol just butt teams

terrible match ups

fc games where im the only person on offense attacking the efc like

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

i did try vigor out this weekend solely for sitting on the efc more and doing constant dmg i like it

feels better than sc im ngl

think sc would be better on node maps where you may see a 1v1

[jaunty osprey]

nothing changed

i would play it tbh

but been playing with more r1s who judge my build

so

it doesnt matter what i play

results similar, still think supercharger better

it's something that has to do with enemy arena numbers

somewhere in there

honestly, faced max using it today on outlaw

in 3s and like

on his losses, it's been doing 15-20%

on his wins, 10-15%

[potent pivot]

ye he's playing outlaw right

[jaunty osprey]

ya

[potent pivot]

is the match length different on the wins VS the losses or something

or maybe he's just doing less damage with abilities and focusing on doing other things

idk

[jaunty osprey]

i mean his damage was ass though

[potent pivot]

ya

if you're doing less dmg with abilities ring effects are gonna look kinda high

[jaunty osprey]

his subterfuges were getting fucked by stuns and disarms

[potent pivot]

sounds about right

[jaunty osprey]

out ccd him as assa

and tied with him

[potent pivot]

is that dazed?

[jaunty osprey]

max

[potent pivot]

isn't that just maxlol

or somethin

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

maxlolrogue

[potent pivot]

is it an alt acc?

[jaunty osprey]

nop

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Stormrage/Max

[potent pivot]

ya im lookin at it rn

i only see 4 non rogue alts

[jaunty osprey]

he doesnt alt same classes

this was a good match vs cdew

and it did a lot

maybe i try more as assa and see if it ever high rolls

[severe helm]

it def cranks on outlaw

its more value than a crit vers ring for sure

[severe helm]

Why do people play suffocating darkness on assa? It barely does like 1.5% of your dam

[potent pivot]

it can do like 8% max with really good uptime

but more often than not it doesn't do that much

radiant def better imo

[outer sky]

This ring looks like a lot more damage for Outlaw than 2-3%

[wanton breach]

hmm, I haven't tried radiant on assa yet, maybe it is

[outer sky]

I prefer radiant

Suffocating is better for outlaw but radiant is better for assa and sub

[wanton breach]

gonna give it a go, suffocating looks pretty meh on my details breakdowns

[outer sky]

Wtf is this

I just won 3 lobbies

straight

then lost one 4-2

then won one 5-1

and only got

32 points

for 5-1

and I wasnt even on a losing streak

I lost 1 by 1 game

I got fewer points for the 5-1 than I lost for the 2-4

thats so dumb

so I'm down 4 points

[tropic zinc]

@severe helm What do you think about KIR next patch w/ the Sleight of Hand buff?

[potent pivot]

ye it does slightly less details dmg, but also gives a decent agi buff

[wanton breach]

shit is wrong if you go 4-2 and "lose the lobby"

blizz mmr system is weird

[outer sky]

sorry I meant 2-4

[wanton breach]

ah okay

[outer sky]

This game I swear

How do I die to Arcane Splinter 1.2 seconds after pressing cloak. I looked it up. It's spell damage

@potent pivot diagnostics please

[potent pivot]

for some things cloak immunity is only 1 second

[outer sky]

yeah but its spell damage

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter in some cases

[outer sky]

Arcane

wtf

[potent pivot]

it's usually very weird and uncommon interactions

that'll go through cloak after it's 1st sec

[outer sky]

I thought the 1st 1s of cloak was basically a bubble

and after that it was a spell immunity

[potent pivot]

the first second is just a full magic immunity

but i'm not sure if something just bugged in this case or not

you cloaked really fking low damn

[outer sky]

i just got out of CC

but it shouldnt have mattered

its arcane damage

i could cloak at 1 hp and not die to it

or at least I'm supposed to be able to

[potent pivot]

either that spell is coded so that it can't be resisted

or it's bugged

[outer sky]

so?

[potent pivot]

cannot miss maybe

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/twho-hours-later-sp-funny-gif-18933136

[potent pivot]

you're only supposed to q from like

7pm-3am

[outer sky]

yeah my 11 month old daughter wasnt allowing that last night

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

I still can’t comprehend how Elon has time for all these online video games

While being a billionaire 😂

This guys apparently climbing up the POE charts

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure the vid that made it's way around of him playing poe2 was on someone else's acc just checking it out real quick

[spring bough]

time to do some mythic keys

[waxen meteor]

I also saw a 78M dmg (single dps) game, a sin rogue, 20%+ from ring

I am kinda a little bit confused now, didn't read too much on discord lately

but 20% is kinda big, 78m single dps game isnt too short either

This is the screenshot from lobby, don't worry about the language

you can see item 2/8/10 all from ring

[jaunty osprey]

Well if you see

He isnt pressing garrote

or envenom

or fan of knives

And has low sanguine blades damage

so he isn’t playing correctly at all somehow

[waxen meteor]

well yeah it's my super dh alt, 1 day old, it's not a high rating rogue

[jaunty osprey]

ofc the ring will do more

[waxen meteor]

that's true

i agree with he is not best plyaer, probably not even very good

[jaunty osprey]

If I afkd and pressed rupture once every 45 seconds

[waxen meteor]

but this is still quite impressive

[jaunty osprey]

my ring would do 30%

no it isn’t

Quite the opposite

[waxen meteor]

look at this, another round

[jaunty osprey]

I repeat

No mutilate

no fan of knives

this person is only pressing garrote

Vanish garrote

Rupture

no CT

ofc it will do that much

[waxen meteor]

tbh also 5% sbs seems werid to me

[jaunty osprey]

Exactly

[waxen meteor]

but overall it seems decent dmg from ring itself

[jaunty osprey]

scroll up a little

I sent

Screenshots yday of

a rank 1 awc rogue

using the ring

did like less than half my damage and his ring did a lot

[waxen meteor]

here?

[jaunty osprey]

but he had low uptime and bad rotation

A bit higher

[jaunty osprey]

Here

Looking at % of the damage isn’t necessarily good when the players aren’t playing well or properly

[waxen meteor]

well if he does half dmg compared to anyone else, it's more than the ring

[jaunty osprey]

I can probably get a more accurate measure for us today in longer matches

[waxen meteor]

even if you have one less item, you do more than half dmg in normal games

[jaunty osprey]

You ideally want to see the % with someone that has good uptime and proper rotation

[waxen meteor]

completely true

that is hard data to get when we only encounter with random people equiping those rings

[jaunty osprey]

I can link a vod of me using the ring in longer matches and short matches on assa

[waxen meteor]

just really small data point i have

[jaunty osprey]

Gimme a sec

[waxen meteor]

btw, dh is so boring

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2336965076

[waxen meteor]

i feel literally zugging

will just get the title and afk this alt

[jaunty osprey]

It didn’t feel that good in this shuffle, I’ll try it in some 3s today

[jaunty osprey]

Makes sense, 5-1 was probably to lower mmr cause of the time you were queuing

2600+ can only queue from like 6 PM eastern till 2 AM

[spring bough]

what is your mastery at for sin?

[waxen meteor]

lol i like the fear, feared you right to priest so you did garrot after cs

[spring bough]

finally got all verse/mastery for my sin spec and im sitting at 56.8% mastery at pvp ilvl

with 23.8% verse lol

[waxen meteor]

anyway, you got all mastery/vers gear, either you get more mastery or more vers, i don't think it matters much

[jaunty osprey]

So

You can do what you have right now Sinnen

or you can run two set and go

61% mast

23% vers

[spring bough]

im pretty much at the max mastery or do people go higher?

gotcha

is that extra 5% mastery worth giving up 4set?

[jaunty osprey]

4 set nerfed 50% in pvp

[spring bough]

5% additional dmg on bleeds is pretty decent

but thats not 100% uptime

[jaunty osprey]

Read what your mastery does

🙂

:p

[spring bough]

+- 0 lmao

[jaunty osprey]

5% mastery is 5% bleed

[spring bough]

with one being 100% uptime and the other being ?? uptime

[jaunty osprey]

Yep but it buffs envenom as well

And you gain vers

Check-pvp jsonjr

[spring bough]

what 2 tier pieces do u give up

chest and what else

[jaunty osprey]

I think he basically has

the best 2 set setup

on that rogue

But play radiant power enchants and not depths

[spring bough]

yeah i got radiant on every spec even outlaw weps

[jaunty osprey]

And you can catalyst conq boots

For heavy mastery low vers

[spring bough]

ima need to wait on that im at 0 charges lol

cause of all my Key gear i put in the catalyst

[waxen meteor]

it's funny even r1 rogue needs to speak let me sap

it means this skill not in combat condition is dated design

[jaunty osprey]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Zul'jin/Jsonjr @spring bough

[spring bough]

ight so ima replace my helm and chest lol

[jaunty osprey]

Over communication is better than no communication

😄

Lowkey can craft helm

[spring bough]

i may be rocking the verse embelish for sin too. so getting that verse/mastery helm gonna put me over 25% verse LMFAO

[jaunty osprey]

instead of conq one

Nah don’t run vers emebellishment

People focus assa rogues

Fixed typos lol whoops - elemental focusing lens kinda good

vers enchant isnt good cause we’re always being targeted tbh

It’s good on like disc priests since no one trains them

[spring bough]

Would have went 4-2 in my first lobby of the day but this fury warrior decided to sit in the starting entrance the last two rounds. This hunter was on track for 0-6 and the warrior apparently was mad...

[waxen meteor]

why would dps get mad if another dps going 06

well it's kinda boring i can accept the result :)))

[spring bough]

He fked me. Easily could have killed the hunter and this guy woulda went 4-2 instead of 3-3

[severe helm]

cuz he was playing with them for the first few rounds sounds like

[spring bough]

im am absolutely SMOKING a lobby right now as sin

wish i got the first round recorded

hunter died in smoke before he turtled right off the start LMAO

[severe helm]

I tried out some sin last night

it feels weird I just upkeep bleeds and kidney on cd

feels like I hardly do anything haha

and then we just win cuz im doing like 800k dps

[spring bough]

yeah sin feels like i have no energy, i click a few mutilates, refresh bleeds and then look and im at 800k dps like WHAT

2212 as sin just realized lmaoooooo

had some fun here pumpin numbers. love a melee lobby

[jaunty osprey]

Why so greyscale

._.

And smokebomb w no stun LOL, but ya assa does big dam

Nor are you keeping rupture up or bleeding the 2nd melee target

And you’re pressing CT in ST without any ruptures up

x.x

just imagine the potential

when you do it right

[timid minnow]

The New ring is worthy for pvp? Playing assassination 👍🏼

[spring bough]

just how the recording comes out. i got HDR and all that enabled so it like white washes the video so i reduced it a bit

[jaunty osprey]

not AWFUL, not INSANE

better for outlaw

[spring bough]

whats ur uptime on rupture

getting about 75% on my overall

[jaunty osprey]

From the first second I apply it, it never falls off the rest of the match on at least one target

You need to be refreshing during pandemic windows

93.5% there

It’s hard to look at details for uptime cause you can get caught out of stealth, or teammates open first but you dont

[spring bough]

85% uptime

resto druids just melt

the second that Tranquility cast is done and they are at say 50% hp or so.... its OVER

[prime ocean]

is it normal that sometimes outlaw has matches (shuffle) where you do only around 300k dps? or am i definitely doing something wrong

[spring bough]

Not really. How many BTEs did you get off in that match?

[prime ocean]

not talking about one specific match, i have several of those. not sure, will watch next time

are my stats ok? out of combat

[mystic pasture]

Should show in PVP combat. Hit the pvp dummy. You out of combat stats wont compare to others because of the PVE ilvl differences.

[prime ocean]

ok sec

[spring bough]

stats look fine thats just what about mine are in pvp gear before going into a match

maybe a little less haste and some more crit

[prime ocean]

hmm

[prime ocean]

this is without the pve ring tho

[spring bough]

Yeah looks fine. I don’t use the PVE ring and that’s what I’m just about at

[prime ocean]

i just tried pve ring and i feel so energy starved all the time 😩

[severe helm]

bro that reticle is WILD lol

[severe helm]

the ring wont change your energy much

haste requirement for outlaw is 9% unbuffed in pvp scaling

[prime ocean]

wtf

[hazy monolith]

tf is this

[severe helm]

fan of knives?

[hazy monolith]

yeah thats clear

is that a rotation helper addon? xD

tells u what to press or what

[spring bough]

Hekili rotation addon lol

[spring bough]

I run circles around people in games all the time. Used to do it when we had 8 yard melee range and you could hit warriors and keep them from hitting you 😂

[prime ocean]

either my enemies got worse since i got the ring or this thing is broken

[spring bough]

i like how talking smack can get you suspended and then you got guys names like "Bigcockbicep" and "Rankonebbc" walking around free lol

[vocal surge]

Drama on Moon Guard go brrrr

[spring bough]

This game? PvP drama? Nahhh 😂

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot @jaunty osprey I’m trying out a ret bc I have 25k conquest and never played it. I remember you two played it earlier this ssn. Is it fun? Do you remember which hero talent is better? I see Templar is more popular but isn’t Dawn one good too? And is the rotation ez?

Also is there good tips on when to use your utility? Like do you use it early typically or hold it for when ur healer has nothing left

[jaunty osprey]

I play both builds

Templar is fun if you like chunking for 1.5m-2.5m

Dawnlight one plays really smooth and easy

Uhh, if they’re on your teammates, just send freedoms and Sac on CD

bop and lay typically when healer CC’d or has nothing left

[molten hedge]

What’s the difference between Templar and Dawn light? Burst vs sustained?

@jaunty osprey

[severe helm]

hammer of light hits so fucking hard

[spring bough]

That thing can double proc if I’m remembering right from leveling my ret. Templar felt a lot more fun than dawnlight did

[hazy monolith]

does absolute serenity prevent disarm too?

[jaunty osprey]

ya

pretty much

both rely on your wake of ashes though

[hazy monolith]

hows outlaw in 2s?

[potent pivot]

It’s ok with a healer

[jaunty osprey]

Really good with a healer tbh

[hazy monolith]

feels very... chewy

[jaunty osprey]

monk, disc priest, presvoker, hpal can all be fine w it

even rdruid

[graceful dawn]

hello wheres a good place to find some outlaw weakauras for arenas?

[hazy monolith]

feel like a little extra dmg is good

[severe helm]

Outlaw in 2s feels insane in my experience

This season specifically

Play with a disc and you can just run people down

Feels much better than in 3s imo

[hazy monolith]

im having fun in 3s with affli and rdruid

[potent pivot]

if you want a WA pack type !wa in #outlaw
if you just want a rtb WA search on wago.io

[hazy monolith]

ok played with a haste disc with ring

was insane

[severe helm]

Yeah I've heard the ring is busted on a disc

Does like 30% of their damage

[hazy monolith]

Was like 15-20 for him

But he was pumping

Do you guys kidney on CD? I feel like im underpressing it a bit, I’m pumping cheap though

[mystic pasture]

Lots of outlaw chatter in here. I have only just recently started playing rogue and assassination has been very fun. How does outlaw feel in comparison? Worth getting new gear and giving it a go?

[severe helm]

sometimes I end up sitting onit cuz it comes off cd when theyre still on dr

as outlaw I usuallyt ry to do a setup right as stun dr comes up which I can just do with vanish cheap so kidney comes off

[molten hedge]

Do I need divine storm on my bars? Feels like I would always final verdict but idk

[jaunty oyster]

whats with cloak + vanish or just vanish with no dots on keeping me from stealthing?

[outer sky]

This is the most wild 3v3 match I've ever played holy shit

it's still going on

[wanton breach]

who won?

[outer sky]

Them 😦

15 minute game

[wanton breach]

lock healing too limited against disc priest?

[outer sky]

the priest could stay higher hp throughout the fight before dampening really kicked in

[inner tartan]

ss yes im a asshole but it 2 fun not to beside i already got my mogs and dont like high cr sweats

healer dps go big

[wanton breach]

bg blitz mmr is wild

[inner tartan]

mmr in general is so bad any toon healer i make and throw into ss starts at 2.1k

[wanton breach]

I want my free grand marshal

[inner tartan]

that is 1800 right

[wanton breach]

2400

[inner tartan]

oo f

keep pumping

i dont go above 1800 unless it whatever i play is super broken and i end up that high high cr mean i need to do rogue stuff like stun : ) which i dont

how are blitz

i havnt done any

just 2s 3s and ss a

[wanton breach]

feels a 1000% like normal battlegrounds

[inner tartan]

ooo how are the que i love normal bgs as rogue

i run around killing stuff

and getting cursed at in 7 different laugauges for not doing objectives

my druid got kicked from a fcken normal bg for not fc in df and i got kicked from a ebg the same week for useing bombs to kill people no walls and i havnt touch them in a big way sinse

people cry to much over dum stuff

[wanton breach]

err depending on mmr rather similar to solo shuffle I've heard

but I've barely started

[inner tartan]

f

i hate dps solo shuffle and normal just make my friend heal me

what do u do inbetween ques

i could maybe mog farm old raids

are they better in day time any one know i normal que at like 4 am

[wanton breach]

i play other games like bazaar or chrono ark, farm mindless stuff in wow

[inner tartan]

but i do like it when i get into a solo shuffle as dps cuz i press blade furry and bte and everything dies : ) so i should do it more

ooo i could go back to hearthstone

but if im doing well in a game and my que pop i would be so mad

and my hearthstone deck run people down xd

[wanton breach]

tried that but wouldn't recommend, games you can pause are great

brotato

[inner tartan]

ya

i think that happened

once

but i was lossing anyway but lesson learnt

i could kill people in sw but 30 minute of killing mean all the dhs group up and find me on moon quard

i dunno this weekend i will try

im like 1900 in solo on my outlaw but i did that early season i wanna see how high i can get whwile only doing damage and no rogue stun / mechince stuff

i will also try blitz i just hope " fighting on roads " isnt game play sabortage

any ways me sleep now gl on ur 2400 grind zug zug

[wanton breach]

i mean people might expect every rogue spec to do ninja stuff

[inner tartan]

ofcouse they do but me wanna have fun

plus last time i did one i rage quit cuz it took them 7 minutes on the dot to respond to incs

[outer sky]

How did this guy manage to get 2700 before he got 1550?

[hazy monolith]

Post VOD?

[outer sky]

didnt record it

[hazy monolith]

Unforch, would’ve loved to watch it

[outer sky]

streakin'

[boreal briar]

Because there wasnt an achievement to track 1550 back in 2016 so itd be impossible to tell when he actually got it.

[wanton breach]

maybe some retroactive achievement shenanigans or possibly some boosted character account transfer?

[indigo hill]

Anyone know if the siren isle ring is busted? Seen a forum post on it.

[prime ocean]

i started using it yesterday and i think it is for outlaw at least

[indigo hill]

Any specific citrine things you're using?

[prime ocean]

copied everyone elses, thunderlord, undersea overseer, squall

[jaunty osprey]

The 2700 is an account achievement the 1500 is the character achievement date

it looks like that for all of my new alts too

[grizzled basin]

have we heard anything about S2 updates for PvP ? The last dev update about 11.1 does not even mention the word "PvP" once

[potent pivot]

Yes it did

The 11.1 rogue changes are in the pins, from 2 weeks ago

[grizzled basin]

Thanks 👌

[wanton breach]

okay, I sincerely hate eots in bg blitz

people have NO CLUE how that map works

my ignore list is getting filled

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

we can win if we hold the flag for 30s? oh no I see an enemy health bar on the horizon, better cap the flag

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea eots is so awkward at times

[wanton breach]

bg blitz is so insanely random

you get a bad healer who doesn't even do half of the 3rd highest - instaloss

[wanton breach]

some people have trouble not afking while defending a base

[gleaming sentinel]

The best is someone capping early and losing after being up 1400-1100

[wanton breach]

yeah had that earlier

[wanton breach]

i straight went from 2.1k mmr to 1400 mmr today just because of deephaul ravine and eots

this is taking my will to live

[severe helm]

what spec are you playing?

[wanton breach]

assassination and I feel useless on eots and deephaul ravine the way some people are playing

[severe helm]

deephall is probably assas best map

since assa is the best team fight spec in the game

but you can always lose from having a bad healer

[wanton breach]

gotta love pure CTF maps, I've won all of those so far

[molten hedge]

I see a lot of assas running elusiveness. I kinda wanna push mine. What changed. Thought 99% were running cheat

[potent pivot]

feint was changed to be off gcd

[molten hedge]

Yeah even when I was I could sworn it was mostly cheat

Maybe it just took a few weeks to show and I didn’t look

Been pushing my ele so I didn’t notice

[wraith tangle]

Elu is better. 20% dmg reduction (40 for AOE) with possible 80% uptime. I do not understand why so many people play cheat death

[potent pivot]

cheat is just easier

[molten hedge]

Bc it can save you in that one cc where you’re out of stuff. And give u just the momentum to win. Although I do agree with feint being off GCD. Assas main problem is being so squishy and being forced to cloak or evasion.

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't even say elu is better tbh

just preference

[chrome schooner]

I'd say it's better :p

[molten hedge]

I’ve been saved by cheat a lot

And won

But also saved by it and lost LOL

[potent pivot]

preference

[wraith tangle]

well, it will be extremely OP in the next patch in the right hands

[severe helm]

cheat is very unreliable

[potent pivot]

ye the new pvp talent might be broken

[severe helm]

feint has way way way more potential to be good

cheat will save you once in a match(if it even works)

feint can save you multiple times

not to mention elusiveness gives you another defensive against caster comps in evasion

I think the only comps I even consider running cheat are against sub rogues

cuz 20% dr isnt enough to save you from their bomb/duel

[chrome schooner]

I'll rephrase, i don't think it's a preference think. I understand that many people prefer Cheat Death because it's basically requiring 0 skill at all to use, but in my opinion, if used well Elusiveness is much much much much better than Cheat Death by a very long shot, answers way more situations, saves you from lethal damage often than Cheat Death, saves your healer CDs, saves mana, etc

[potent pivot]

iirc almost no one ran it until the gcd change

and still most don't

[wanton breach]

sometimes you just get killed in a 2s stun

[potent pivot]

Ye when I play outlaw I use it in most cases

Sub/assa have bait n switch from deathstalker

[severe helm]

Yeah they need it less

its so free as outlaw

if cheat death worked more often id run it

but its barely 50/50 in my experience

which just tilts me haha

so I dont run it on any spec

[potent pivot]

Idk it works most of the time for me

Can depend on what you’re facing/what spells tend to go through

[dusk knot]

Heya guys. Could you enlighten me why is every outlaw playing citrines in SS and no other spec? What makes outlaw that special?

[potent pivot]

because outlaw doesn't lose as much from dropping stats on a ring

[hazy monolith]

haste and a lot of hits

[potent pivot]

dropping a crit/vers ring for the citrine isn't as bad of a trade off

as a vers/mast ring from sub/assa

[severe helm]

yeah outlaw just has such shitty secondary stat scaling that the static damage of the ring outweighs those stats more easily

[molten hedge]

I’m fucking fried

Holy shit

Just ran first shuffle as Assa and was like something is wrong

Had outlaw set on

[severe helm]

could you even press mutilate?

how did you even play

[molten hedge]

It was horrible. I am rusty so I blamed it on that

[hazy monolith]

blizz needs to fix this fucking follower dungeon phasing shit

i wanna gank

[safe pelican]

time to lose more blitz rating lets get ittttt

I cant go in with that mindset nvm times to gain +200 rating with my eyes closed

[spring bough]

Cheat death is broken lmao. Especially when hunters hitting you. Like I should eat this whole rapid fire on cheat death. Nah just the first hit then you dead

Wtb more feint buffs lol

[potent pivot]

good thing MM sucks ass rn

[severe helm]

20% dr with no cd is about as good as you get haha

*almost no cd

[spring bough]

If they could put float CDR back to what it was my health is at 100% thru and thru every lobby 😂

[severe helm]

yeah thats exactly why they dont

lol

[safe pelican]

Feint that op ?? when should i press

before engaging in any kind of combat

i need to press that more for how good it is not sure why i dont skill issue

[potent pivot]

[karmic summit]

ayo we use citrine now?

[potent pivot]

outlaw uses it for rn

[karmic summit]

back to pvp after 2nd week heard people saying we gotta use citrine for assa

[potent pivot]

well

people are trolling

if they don't fix it before we get it to 658, assa might use it until it's fixed

but for rn no

[karmic summit]

murlok io says 5 people use it one of them is someone called this is seven

[potent pivot]

ye and one of them is ivan who was testing it out again

we don't use it rn

[karmic summit]

aight

[severe helm]

theyre prob just testing it

but on paper its not better

so its not recommended to use it on assa

in practice it also doesnt appear to be better

[potent pivot]

mhm

i feel like even if you gain 1% dmg it isn't worth dropping the vers

but it seems kinda meh rn

Even other classes have started dropping it now

After thinking it was “op”

Like warriors iirc

Classes with really good masteries etc

[jaunty osprey]

who tf

[karmic summit]

if its that good mastery wouldnt sub want it?

[safe pelican]

fient is broken

thanks boyz

[potent pivot]

No I’m saying if your specs mastery is good you don’t want it atm

[potent pivot]

Idk murlok showed your name using it on 1 rogue

[jaunty osprey]

OH

[potent pivot]

Remember you saying you were trying it again

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, I was testing it yday again

after upgrading

to 649

[potent pivot]

Ye I was saying it might be more worth at higher ilvl later if it still isn’t fixed by then

[jaunty osprey]

it’s still the same, i haven’t highrolled yet with it

also gonna dm you

[severe helm]

There's a bug you can use to get it to like 658 too

I'm sure some people are doing that

[wanton breach]

Bug abuse

[jaunty osprey]

you dont even have to transfer to get it to 658

You can just get rng catch up mechanic too in the mail before you finish the weekly

it’s weird

[stoic spruce]

Game not suck yet?

Ew crackshot still there

Back into my hole

/cast vanish

[spring bough]

KIR is fun

[stoic spruce]

but crackshot is still there

[severe helm]

I think people like crackshot haha

The alternative is just playing a fury warrior with kidney shot

Kinda boring

[hazy monolith]

does disarm do anything against mm?

disarmed one while loading aimed shot and it didnt abort

[jaunty osprey]

it's supposed to

[waxen meteor]

i think it won't interupt casting but at end of casting nothing should shoot out

a marksman is heading towards 0-6 in my lobby, but i found the warrior is not really any better, so i said to hunter at last round, just go zug war, and trap whoever you can i will manage the rest, we won last round hunter got 1-5

funny after the lobby, hunter messaged me, thank you, he finally got 1 win

and war messaged me, sometimes it's more important to be lucky

lol

[jaunty osprey]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[stoic spruce]

people here

worst iteration of outlaw yet

fight me

[severe helm]

I don't think it aborts it just fails at the end

[jaunty osprey]

ya you right, I misunderstood

[stiff cedar]

Yeah as ppl have said it doesn't interrupt the aimed shot cast it'll just cancel and not go off at the end, same as if someone goes LOS during the cast it works exactly the same

[outer sky]

no wtf! I'm doing the skirm weekly and I lost but I killed them both?????? Not fair!!

[grave basin]

@outer sky zz

no bully

[outer sky]

Lol whats the circle for

[grave basin]

a replica butthole

lol it's just a WA to show my cursor

[outer sky]

btw youre supposed to glimpse when I'm running at you so I cant sap or stun you

[grave basin]

i see

thanks for the tip

tryin to get 1800 on this guy

[outer sky]

you got it

[hardy tinsel]

what pvp item that let you knock enemy 100 meters away?

[potent pivot]

like the knockback is far? or the player knocking you is far when they do the knock

if you mean the player is far away, then it's likely just a hunter's explosive trap

[grave basin]

@outer sky my kids are on my ass

ill finish it later, thanks sir

[hardy tinsel]

saw the guy use in this video, at 4:44 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PHSYgdcQfQ

[potent pivot]

that's just the Electric Shock item

only looks like it's knocking so far because it's from the high ground or the angle i think

it's only usable in regular BGs

[hardy tinsel]

I see

[potent pivot]

no rated

[hardy tinsel]

you can buy them from vendor right?

[potent pivot]

mhm

[hardy tinsel]

ty

btw is the new ring worth using in pvp now or the pvp ring is better atm?

[potent pivot]

it's okay for outlaw so far

it might be okay for sub/assa at max ilvl but not yet

if it isn't re nerfed before then

[hardy tinsel]

the lightning gem proc a lot when I play

[potent pivot]

if you're playing outlaw you play 3 dmg procs

the stat gems are properly nerfed in pvp, like all of them are supposed to be

[inner tartan]

the art of zug zug mage was bad i barely got rooted or slowed in that game

[safe pelican]

Where do i get the new ring from ??

aint a pve bone in my body 0 clue but i see its doing foolish dmg from details

[inner tartan]

i havnt got it is it a must for outlaw

can i do MORE zug zug damage ???? ooo

[safe pelican]

i mean i saw it proc 3.6 M for this outlaw rogue i played in blitz and he was booty cheeks ill take free dmg always worth a try

[hazy monolith]

Oh thats a good one

[willow valley]

which ring

[indigo hill]

Siren. Just do some quest and the kill 1 boss events tagged as The Drain. I got all 3 citrine I need in about 15 min.

The quest line itself take maybe 30 min?

[willow valley]

yo

for outlaw, what's the best weapons combo

sword/dagger?

[outer sky]

1.5m Kingsbane on a fully geared player I need to figure out how I did this

[spring bough]

should i level up a horde rogue

just realized out of all my rogues all of them are alliance now lol

[outer sky]

No because then you couldnt be a nelf

[spring bough]

I play kultiran anyways 😂

My night elf rogue is sin and haven’t used him once for outlaw this season 😭

[indigo hill]

Why do people never get the orbs...

[indigo hill]

Seems to be the most popular

[willow valley]

good

i just need to buy a sword

[spring bough]

its more of a mystery than teh question of life

everygame before it starts "pickup orbs everyone needs to" loook at leaderboards.... atleast 3 people didnt lol

[hazy monolith]

is there a cool WA or an addon to track out of combat for arena123?

[spring bough]

feels like an outlaw blitz and shuffle day

[severe helm]

Lol that would have to be on an fc

[severe helm]

It's far from a must

[candid tide]

u dont like it on nameplates with bbp?

[spring bough]

are crafting orders down for anyone right now?

[willow valley]

anyone that knows how to make macros?

[jaunty osprey]

What type of macro do you want

[willow valley]

its for outlaw

i basically want a macro for Dispatch/BTE

so when i press the macro and BTE is on CD i use dispatch

but when its not, i use BTE

idk if thats possible

[candid tide]

bruh i actually was looking for the same mac

[willow valley]

lol jajaj

[candid tide]

need pls

[willow valley]

ye

[jaunty osprey]

Just have two binds lol

[willow valley]

i always forget abt BTE even tho i have a fat ass weakaura in the middle of the screen

[candid tide]

hate have to press bte on R

[jaunty osprey]

Y’all getting lazy 😭

[willow valley]

nah

i just have fat fingers

[ember elbow]

does assa use the ring?

[jaunty osprey]

literally just try

/cast Between The Eyes
/cast Dispatch

@willow valley

And if that doesn’t work

it’s impossible

Because if a macro tries to press an ability on CD it fails in general

since both abilities are on the GCD

but ya, impossible for that type of macro

Can’t really use a castsequence to get around it as well since Outlaw CDR

[hazy monolith]

I use plater unforch and dont wanna switch since I configured like a loooot

[prime ocean]

why would u wna do that

[spring bough]

went a lil more crit for the day for outlaw. verse thru the roof too lmao

[willow valley]

u want to track combat status?

i have this one

[willow valley]

cuz its needed to spam BTE whenever is off CD

and i just want to use it whenever is off CD and then, when its on, use dispatch instead

[candid tide]

yeah ig

[inner tartan]

good im lazy asf

[spring bough]

ripped a 5-1 at 2405 lmaoooooo. 2467 now. did it as trickster outlaw to LOL

95 more wins for legend achieve do i chase.... lol

[inner tartan]

what wrong with trickster ??? i play it alot and it dose well

espical in cleave comps

[spring bough]

absolutely nothing i still like it better than fate lmao

[inner tartan]

the killing spree and coups may kill ya in pve but they can be so nice in pvp

useing coup as a charge might be bad but i love bladerush and coup de grace for that ( and yes i use blade rush here and there it amusing

[stiff cedar]

@molten hedge

[hazy monolith]

yeah but for arena enemies

found something https://wago.io/d7vZ_U1eO

[willow valley]

ah ok

combat status tracker FOR enemies

ye, i have no clue

[potent pivot]

Nope

[thick finch]

wasn't there 3 parts into upper handed upper hands talents ?

3 components

[white gazelle]

anyone know if a solid outlaw guide

[potent pivot]

you can just use the #outlaw-faq and wowhead pve guides mostly, as far as rotation goes

[jaunty osprey]

Then how come murlok.io has some rogues using it

jk dont ban me

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

@outer sky @stiff cedar this is why I play kingsbane rn bc I will get hits for 1 mil to 1.5 mil randomly. Getting that and a darkest night envenom in a bomb is pretty sick. Happened to me yesterday

[jaunty osprey]

It isn’t random

You can consistently get it

Use badge, use radiant power, press kingsbane with shiv up and when target is below 35% HP only

Kingsbane is very good when used as such!!

[outer sky]

Yeah I have badge, cold blood, and tea macrod to kingsbane when I do play it and I only press it after shiv

Also when I play kingsbane I only play 2 set instead of 4 and I use the engi helm with mastery

But @jaunty osprey my gear hasn't changed at all and I've been doing this for a long time but I've never seen a kingsbane much over 1.2m

On a geared player

But today I got 2 for 1.5m

[potent pivot]

don't even need cold blood really

but

a fully bled target below 35%

it'll hit hard

[outer sky]

Well if you're trying to maximize KB damage

You need lethality

And at that point you may as well play cold blood

[potent pivot]

sure

i just don't see the point in maximizing it that far

would rather have kb and the envenoms from charger

[thick finch]

what gem onto new ring for outlaw ?

[potent pivot]

the 3 dmg procs

[thick finch]

thx

[summer ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnU8vufVBhA

lmao I cant stop

[velvet lichen]

Damn rogue damage is such ass right now across the board, and everyone just DRs us in SS shit sucks

[jaunty osprey]

Well that’s you

I’ve posted 1.5m kingsbanes at start of the season

sub 35% is key

October

And that was with far less mastery/gear

But @potent pivot is right

At that point, might as well run the tea/supercharger build

and then shiv -> kingsbane -> envenom the moment someone hits 35%

cold blood isnt worth to press once per min

[potent pivot]

i just don't like committing 3 talent points to only KB dmg

like

[jaunty osprey]

The amount you gain from lethality cold blood KB once per min is the amount you gain per envenom with supercharger

[potent pivot]

its viable or w/e

just seems like a waste in the grand scheme of things

[safe pelican]

new ring fucks imo i like it and the stats are better digging the mastery

[potent pivot]

You don’t use the stat gems

[safe pelican]

lmaoooooo

[potent pivot]

Those are properly nerfed in pvp my guy

[safe pelican]

yall dont tell me anything anyways T_T

[potent pivot]

You use the 3 dmg procs

[safe pelican]

hold up

using these rn

how cooked

[potent pivot]

Hang on

Lemme check

[safe pelican]

kopy

[potent pivot]

squall, undersea, thunderlord

so you've got 2 wrong

[safe pelican]

ok i have undersea but thought that wasnt the right choice so swap that and go get squall bet thank you

i was about to get squall too got tired of pve

[jaunty osprey]

Check on murlok.io

[potent pivot]

same outcome

[willow valley]

how was the command to check best stats for every spec?

!stats

nope

[potent pivot]

that's the command

yes

the bot is down atm

[willow valley]

oh

😭

is this accurate?

[potent pivot]

not quite

[willow valley]

i mean, guess it shows haste as the second stat just cuz the conquest pvp is either Mastery/versa or haste/versa

it should be versa-crit-mastery-haste

or sum like that

[potent pivot]

that is showing you the average of everyone's shit

so it's skewed

[willow valley]

of the best players actually

and thats for outlaw

[potent pivot]

it doesn't matter

it's showing you the AVERAGE stats of the top 50 people

some people play different shit

[potent pivot]

this is 1 person

doing it correctly

[jaunty osprey]

nah just messing w u

I logged out w the rings on my rogues that have it

[potent pivot]

i was looking at outlaw anyways

:d

[willow valley]

well thats what i thought at first

cuz haste is not that useful

[potent pivot]

haste is very useful

[willow valley]

full conquest gear i guess

[potent pivot]

but only to a certain point

[willow valley]

u dont need that much

[potent pivot]

you need ~10% in pvp scaling

which is 7-8% outside of pvp scaling

which is what is shown there

[willow valley]

💀

[jaunty osprey]

Idk why ppl keep mentioning pvp scaling

my outlaw and assa gear

is upgraded to 619

:^)

[potent pivot]

weirdo

[willow valley]

619?

[jaunty osprey]

mods, ban this guy

Ya, you can upgrade the pve ilvl

It’s on champion track

[willow valley]

ah

[willow valley]

huh

[potent pivot]

https://murlok.io/character/us/stormrage/dzd/pvp

[willow valley]

[potent pivot]

just copy that guy's gear

[jaunty osprey]

Dazed has the best gear

[willow valley]

how do u get kareshi's set

[potent pivot]

you convert conquest pieces into it

that's the tier set

you put conquest gear into the Catalyst

look up a general pvp gearing guide

please

[willow valley]

aaaah

[potent pivot]

gotta learn all of the systems

[willow valley]

nah thats the only real question i had

now i just need to earn enough conquest for the set

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

how much more damage does each combo point do

again

like 6 combo point finisher vs 7

if i run deeper instead of forced induction as example

[potent pivot]

~11%

per point

[jaunty osprey]

ty

[molten hedge]

Assa pumps. Respectfully, you’re fried

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

highrolled?

[potent pivot]

possibly

looks about right

from the 8-12% i've seen thus far

[wary thistle]

Any tips for assassination going toe to toe with a geared havoc dh? Squared up with one in a rando bg and dude ate me alive, while my damage seemed to do very little to him.

Currently running tea/supercharger/kingsbane, just about full 639 with gems. Even still that guy had like 3mil more hp and a lot more dps, just couldn't hang

[gilded gulch]

dont engage during his eyebeam metas

Havoc doesn't really do damage outside of their meta essence break windows

[wary thistle]

Good to know, tbh I was just zugging it, will pay better attention next time around

[gilded gulch]

Well yeah, their entire damage window is within meta especially with felscarred.

Oh and dont risk using kidney during blur, dh can dodge kidney from behind.

[gilded gulch]

I mean you're a dot class you have no reason to stay engaged with other melee

during their cds especially but in general.

[wary thistle]

Yea one of those moments where I needed to keep him off an objective. Had to square up a couple different times and I just went in not thinking I guess

[mystic pasture]

Hit and run, abuse bleeds and stuns. Don’t hit into their defensives (netherwalk/darkness) vanish/smoke bomb rain from above if they use it. On my DH, rogue is about the worst 1v1 actually

They actually do a lot of magic/dot damage, so cloak is good

[empty copper]

guys why does meld macro not work

#showtooltip shadowmeld
/cast !stealth
/cast shadowmeld

[potent pivot]

put stealth AFTER meld

maybe

[empty copper]

dosent work

it cancels it

[potent pivot]

cancels what

[empty copper]

so if i press the macro it cancels stealth and meld

when i press it

[potent pivot]

/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```

that's what i use

[empty copper]

dosent work

i tried

[potent pivot]

it does

i just tried it as well and it cancelled

[empty copper]

yeah

[potent pivot]

but i've used this macro

for years

[empty copper]

i know same

maybe a bug

[potent pivot]

something is just fucked up yeah

might have to use separate binds for a bit

[empty copper]

well i would love people to report this and fix the bug

[potent pivot]

ye i'll test it again in a sec and report it

wouldn't get my hopes up for a fast fix ngl

[empty copper]

didn't want to be annoying its just i was so confused why did my stealth and meld break and notting happend in shuffle

[potent pivot]

yeah idk wtf

i would've argued this to the death if i didn't happen to be logged in and tested myself

[empty copper]

yeah 😂

im feral main and i wanted to have some fun with my rogue

until i noticed this annoyance

#showtooltip shadowmeld
/stopattack
/use [combat] Shadowmeld
/use [nocombat] !stealth

found a fix

[potent pivot]

that broke too

outside of combat it just stealthed

[empty copper]

you got to be in combat and hit target

[potent pivot]

in combat it broke

[empty copper]

rip

[potent pivot]

ill try again after CD

[potent pivot]

it worked

[empty copper]

yup!

its a small fix but hopefully they fix original

[potent pivot]

yeah it doesn't make sense that it's broken tbh

[empty copper]

i mean i main feral druid and on druid i dont have problem with meld and prowl

but rogue had and i was thinking either its a bug

or stealth nerf

[potent pivot]

i'm sure it's just a bug

there's nothing there to nerf

[empty copper]

hopefuly mods can see this and try to contact blizz rog dev

[potent pivot]

nah

not how it works unfortunately

[safe pelican]

This feels good to me but i have a lil more haste then that dude so im guessing i can drop some haste for vers

[potent pivot]

you look fine. drop mast for crit or vers

[karmic summit]

is the gladius addon gone?

i the bicmex version in curse forge works aight

[spring bough]

BIS

should i go turn my night elf to pure outlaw for the xtra vanish? lol

[languid ravine]

not even 15% vers NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-bunny-confused-bunny-great-job-bunny-gif-25289971

Hmmmm how does that play with vigor it might be okay … feel like that’s a shuffle build and vers / mastery would be more of a blitz thing

[spring bough]

i have 29.98 verse lmao

i dont play vigor i only supercharge

[safe pelican]

Why does
It say 29.98 / 14.99

Is this in combat vs out of combat

[spring bough]

its damage / healing inc is the first numer, damage reduction is the second

read ur verse tooltip

[languid ravine]

I meant not even 30% smh

[safe pelican]

I swear mine only shows one number ima log here soon gimme a bit

[spring bough]

lol. when i get conquest to go from haste/verse to crit/verse wep ill be at 30.00% exact

[safe pelican]

Is that on your main sinnen ?

[spring bough]

yeah thats my kul tirans stats

[languid ravine]

its probably superstition and not true but down in my subconscious I would blame damage numbers rounding down for a loss

kekw

I guess you can always blame the healer instead

[spring bough]

i went more crit the last few days, i was like 20% haste lol

and now everythings arounbd 65% + critting on my overalls for ambush and such

[safe pelican]

How tf you got all that vers and all that crit and mastery is that cause of the Kul Tirsn racial or something ima copy your shit later 🤣

[spring bough]

i use the verse embelishments lol

[spring bough]

mastery just from tier set

currently leveling a blood elf outlaw lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Everyone just play blitz in the middle of the night or what?

[languid ravine]

I ve killed over 3000 innocent Nerubians for Siesbarg, but he s kinda mid

oh I know why its coz he walks like a felhound

[outer sky]

Guys I've been out played

I pressed deathmark

and then the evoker pressed caut flame

man how did he know

Some people just have all the strats I swear

[languid ravine]

(wait until he finds out how many buttons evokers use to do 800k dps)

[candid tide]

[spring bough]

time to go outlaw.... oh wait i get stunned everytime i vanish now....

[outer sky]

was that not happening to you before? lol

I think Killing Spree needs CC protection

[spring bough]

not all the time lol

it feels like everry vanish after im in an 8 second fear or a stun or whatever lol

[outer sky]

that was always happening to me

I can count on one hand the number of times I've completed a full Killing Spree without being CCd during it

even if that hand had no fingers on it

[spring bough]

yeah i probably got one full KS yesterday

the worst is hitting it and just getting the first hit off lmao

[jaunty osprey]

man

cheapshots cant proc the ring

weird

[safe pelican]

Gotta send KS in the opener or in a cheap

Just ain’t worth sending it outside of that lol

[spring bough]

even then 8/10 times its CCd lmao

its like everyone got these emergency warning CC weak auras for rogues lmao

[severe helm]

This is when the bracket has decided there are high mmr games

High mmr lobbies usually start at like midnight PST haha

[safe pelican]

It’s 50:50 cause if you don’t at least they most likely trinketed

[severe helm]

I don't think it's ever worth it to KS during crackshot

Huge huge DPS loss

[gleaming sentinel]

I certainly feel out of place at the mmr i am at, but i just want to finish out these 25 wins lol

[indigo hill]

Why is the one that does the least in a bg always the one that talks the most shit?

[spring bough]

i got hit with a CC last night i never paid attention too. but it put my speed to like 10%. it was either a DK or an evo doing it. and it was god awful

was literally crawling

[severe helm]

Only time I KS during crackshot is if I'm completely out of energy

[safe pelican]

Idgaffffff I’m sending it with SC playing on node maps with hella charges stacked I’m sending KS

Ace procs sell the bag hella often i rather guaranteed dmg

[severe helm]

Don't need ace procs for bte to do damage

Coin hits hard

And the cdr is very valuable

Also with supercharger, a 6cp bte has a 45% chance to proc ace

[safe pelican]

I don’t like when it doesn’t proc you look dumb lol so i rather send KS

[gleaming sentinel]

supercharger the move now over vigor?

[spring bough]

supercharging all day everyday

[gleaming sentinel]

even if im a button mashing noob?

[severe helm]

It's probably even

Vigor is easier to play obv

For the most part

[safe pelican]

So say you have max SC stacks and you go to open on someone adr bte the regular and ace doesn’t proc and you get one full combo point bte off @severe helm you rather use builders during that 4 second window to get the last bit of your subterfuge window rather than send KS ?

[severe helm]

Yep

1000%

KS doesn't hit that hard bro

[safe pelican]

It does tho 😭

[severe helm]

It only takes one builder to get back to max cp

[safe pelican]

True

In most cases yes you’re right

[severe helm]

I usually get 5+btes in a crackshot

ALSO KS lasts longer the more cps you have

So its DPS doesn't even go up

It just lasts longer

[gleaming sentinel]

ngl getting a 5 buff roll at the start of a match is big dopamine

[safe pelican]

I mean when Ace procs for sure but when it doesn’t proc i guess i panic but we’ll see ill run around doing the opposite for a bit depends how i feeling sometimes i can smell the Ace procs and i open bte lol

[severe helm]

Even without ace you usually get 4

You get 8 gcds in crackshot bro

[safe pelican]

That is major outlaw propaganda but I’m not gunna argue with you I’ll send you some clips later you tell me
What I’m doing wrong grabbing food rn

[severe helm]

It's not

It's just the facts of the numbers

[spring bough]

about to start regearing my nightelf from sub to outlaw

[severe helm]

If you're not getting damage out of bte during crackshot then you're probably making rotational issues and doing crackshot windows without adrenaline rush up

[spring bough]

getting 200k MGs with my sub/sin rogue as outlaw right now LOL

[prime ocean]

how does gameplay change when you go supercharger?

[spring bough]

exact same pretty much just some diff RTB rolls

[prime ocean]

i dont understand it, this isnt like old kyrian where you have to spend exactly that amount of cps right?

[hazy monolith]

so monk can dodge with dance of the wind while being stunned? wtf is this

[glass hazel]

it just gives extra cp, no more mini game

[indigo hill]

Monks can do what ever they want. Heal, dodge, avoid, never call back, Tons of damage, summon pets, summon the family.