pvp

[halcyon timber]

Adaptive swarm*

[potent pivot]

i'm more worried about our own fucking talents breaking us out of stealth

than anything

[halcyon timber]

Yeah that sux too

But /shrug

[severe helm]

or when your healers talents break you out

hahaha

that shits so annoying

[halcyon timber]

Yeah random af sometimes

[severe helm]

both rsham and mw had talents in the past couple patches that caused it

very annoying

[halcyon timber]

See it more frequent with opposite faction healers

Paladin thunder cats sight beyond sight nonsense is prob so we cannot wait them out and sap for DS’ing like a jackass . Was thinking about that a little more today

[spring bough]

do i go WW or MW for my monk? i would be fistweaving if i go MW lol

[halcyon timber]

Cloaked in shadows also breaks to the same stuff as well. We aren’t an exception to the mentioned stuff we talked about

Dunno but jade pizza crust kick (whatever its called) does a lot for damage and looks cool

[pale storm]

You gotta go WW for the goku SSJ mog coming out

[halcyon timber]

New monk plunderstorm wind slash ability (if you guys played that) is cool and shaman got the elemental whirl ability in the patch too

[lime oar]

Where do I see this?

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-season-2-tier-set-models-datamined-in-war-within-patch-11-1-355145

[lime oar]

Not bad

[severe helm]

Yeah that should be fun

What's the elemental whirl?

[halcyon timber]

Like a triple hit element attack thing shamans picked up after primordial wave its in the 11.1 files. A 2 part atk

Monks do the slash thing where they can hold it down longer to leap further. Replaces serpent kick.

[tropic zinc]

It looks dope for an Outlaw rogue for sure.

[severe helm]

Best type of rogue 😉

[severe helm]

Oh whaaaat that would be wild if they brought that in

[spring bough]

Got in an instant pop game. Healer goes “sorry boys I’m leaving” and now it’s been 20 minutes and still no que pop

Healer needs the ban hammer lmao

[severe helm]

Lololol

That's tragic

Leaving does lead to a ban though

If you do it often enough

Honestly leaving at the start doesn't bother me as much as sucking on my team then leaving before I get to earn wins against them

[halcyon timber]

Agreed big time. Still pretty shiddy of them

[waxen meteor]

yeah we are quite good

but in flag games, nothing competes with a couple of usain bolt spec

just lost a game simply because of no flag carrier

it's amazing

returning flag from mw is sooo dificult

just teleport up and down forever

[severe helm]

Honestly I hate trying to kill preservation more

Mw dies in one silence

Golden hour healing through the flag debuff is way too op

[outer sky]

Hey guys I need y'all to join me in mass reporting the Sudden Demise bug where it basically just doesn't work anymore

[glass hazel]

again? it worked recently

somehow below 5% i think?

[outer sky]

it's supposed to proc at 10%

but I feel like it hasn't been procing for me lately

And then the other day this happened

so it's bugged

[outer sky]

Holy shit

1.36m coin flip

wtf

and it was not on a pet

[severe helm]

assa coins hit so hard

[outer sky]

how come

[potent pivot]

They’re basically nature dmg

[gusty hedge]

MW Kickweaving FtW aka hybrid

law players better get used to playing without enduring brawler and veil now

[vocal surge]

Back to dying to other classes from attrition

[inner tartan]

that hast one is that one im sad for

endruring was kinda op ish so i saw it comeing but still gonna suck

[potent pivot]

@desert kelp you have to find people in game. against the rules to do it here.

[spring bough]

bout to turn my outlaw into a Sin raider for the day

[halcyon timber]

Yeah the coins are cosmic damage which is nature / frost / physical / shadow and Something else, can’t remember atm.

[safe pelican]

Ngl the damage thresholds breaking CC either ruin pvp even more or open up alot more comps

I’m leaning towards the latter , this was most likely done to decrease the skill ceiling for cc during pve ? I don’t see why this was needed

[potent pivot]

Because of all the piss aoe that breaks cc in shuffle

Which happens even in r1 games because the games design is fucked for pvp

[safe pelican]

Okay i see that makes sense shuffles should be flooded next patch

[potent pivot]

They might also be trying to make cc more similar

Like some fears already had a threshold etc

I’m assuming they got rid of the ice trap pvp talent

Diamond ice

[gleaming sentinel]

M+ shuffle

[desert kelp]

my bad! apologies

[potent pivot]

no worries

[hazy monolith]

which pvp talents will outlaw play?

[potent pivot]

hopefully they add more before the season starts

rn we just keep running the same

[jaunty osprey]

zzzz might be on vacay when season ends

rip my title

[spring bough]

sin is a fun time in keys. aoe silence so OP

[severe helm]

Bomb + drink up me harties + disarm probably

Maybe dfa to immune cc

[jaunty osprey]

@outer sky

It’s been a thing

[halcyon timber]

Might be ok but would def think along the lines of a “lesser” hex. It will still break, just not to someone farting in their direction.

Def not warlock fear / warr intimidating shout threshholds

[gleaming sentinel]

@severe helm think better off doing engi vers bracers vs crafted crit /vers ?

[severe helm]

Definitely

Either engi or just the pvp bracers def not crafted

[gleaming sentinel]

ty

[severe helm]

I'm still using the haste vers pvp ones

[pale storm]

They announced the date?

[potent pivot]

nop

[potent pivot]

1800 pog

[gleaming sentinel]

Nice

[candid tide]

decided to stop tunnelling and watch dr for a change

[potent pivot]

That’ll get you to 2100 ez

[candid tide]

would be nice fs

[gleaming sentinel]

big win streak today in blitz, mmr climbs so fast its wild

[candid tide]

feels good

[worthy crag]

lmao the next patch is removing duel

like how ive always said they should

[potent pivot]

loads of people have said that for years

it's still cooked unless they make more changes before the patch

[outer sky]

Are they removing the increased healing reuction from warrior mortal strike?

[potent pivot]

idk, was it on the patch notes?

i don't think so?

Arms is having Sharpen reworked

not seeing anything about their MS

[outer sky]

people on the forums saying its pruned

[potent pivot]

what was it called

this is all i'm seeing

it does not expressly say that it's being pruned

it says that mortal strike now gets empowered after smash/warbreaker

so it's just pruning the Sharpen button itself

[outer sky]

oh I see it

it's auto applied

[potent pivot]

it doesn't say anything about the effect yeah

[outer sky]

i mean that does sound like kind of a nerf

[potent pivot]

that makes me assume the effect is staying the same

how so

i guess Sharpen is a 30sec CD

smash and warbreaker are both 45sec

[bleak dagger]

They are trying to streamline a lot of PvP talents into the rotation - full pve ahead

[potent pivot]

idk if they even play warbreaker, i know i don't on my warr

does warbreaker replace smash

if so, it's a slight nerf yes

[bleak dagger]

Yea

[potent pivot]

if not, it's basically the same

idk how much Arms really cares about it

[bleak dagger]

Gna feel worse in shuffle probably a ehh in 3’s

[severe helm]

wdym

wasnt this already reduced

MS has been 25% for a while I think

tbh I think the only strong MS effect left is the priest psyfiend

[potent pivot]

he means Sharpen

[severe helm]

ah

[potent pivot]

they're pruning the Sharpen button

[severe helm]

honestly good

its kind of annoying to have

on war

[potent pivot]

now it auto applies off your 45sec

[severe helm]

oh sick

[spring bough]

They made mythic keys too easy. No more running both weeks to get rating for Mount. Just need one week lol

[potent pivot]

Kinda feel like that’s how it should be tbh

Removes a lot of friction for playing alts in pve

[spring bough]

Done nothing above 7s. Two more keys and I get my Mount

[potent pivot]

Portals are barely a challenge now

I think portals come from 10s iirc

The only thing that’s actually difficult is r1 title

[nova sentinel]

What tier is Outlaw atm?

[potent pivot]

I genuinely would not listen to anyone that puts specs into tiers

Outlaw is quite good atm, all 3 specs are really

[nova sentinel]

Is outlaw good in bgas?

Bgs

Ok, ty

[potent pivot]

Yes

Rogue is one of the best classes for BGs

[nova sentinel]

Awesome

[nova viper]

how i can play 2s/3s with no exp

and no friends to play

[potent pivot]

looks for groups that say 'yolo' or 'chill'

sometimes just 'farm conquest'

but really

things are so slow rn you are going to have a hard time

you're prolly better off getting some exp in shuffle and using that to join 2/3s groups

[nova viper]

i mean - i have exp in pvp i play a tons of ss or srbg

but nobody wanna inv me cuz i have 0 rat in 2s/3s

[potent pivot]

then put your shuffle exp in the note when u apply

your shuffle exp doesn't fully equate

like if you're 2400 in shuffle

you could try applying to 1.8-2k 2/3s groups

it's either that or you try to find a pvp guild and look for people to play that way

[outer sky]

I'm obviously biased but I think shuffle rating is worth more than people give it credit for. The fact of it is, getting r1 in 3v3 has more to do with who you know than anything else. It's basically a membership club at this point. Then when shuffle came out, half of all r1s were mid tier at it and couldn't get title to save their lives. But they need to maintain the perception that they're actually really good at the game rather than just have an elite friend circle and play the meta comp every season since their entire personality directly equates to being a WoW god. So they started shit talking shuffle rating because they couldn't get rating in it and therefore wanted to delegitimize it. And of course since they're established figures in the WoW community already, people take their input very seriously. In other words, people devalue shuffle rating because lots of people in the r1 club started downplaying since it exposed them as not being as good at the game as they need everyone to think they are.

[spring bough]

Got myself a diamond mechsuit 🙌

[safe pelican]

I agree

I love shuffle

Queues times just suck so i rather play blitz

Never understood the shuffle hate , I’ve always felt that it was players with friends or a base to play with trash talking shuffle if you buy this game today push to 80 and want to pvp in a 3v3 setting competitively without getting shit talked until you find someone nice enough to play with shuffle is your best option top tier game mode

[outer sky]

Queue times are the worst part but it's whatever. Honestly I wish people would stop whining about the queue times so blizzard would implement some common sense changes to the match making

For example

I'd rather sit a 1 hour queue if I knew that when it finally popped there wouldn't be more than 1 paladin in the lobby than sit a 20 minute queue and have 2 hpals and a ret there

[severe helm]

its worth more but its definitely a good 3-400 rating difference imo depending on the spec you play

if youre a healer I think shuffle rating is pretty accurate to 3s performance

but esp at lower ratings, melee players get quite a free lunch

sub 2400 I think melee ratings are heavily inflated from Shuffle compared to 3s

[safe pelican]

But you know damn well they will never do that, it’s cash grab game. Funnel as many players into the lobby until is 3/3 around the same rating and fill the next. Could never see a system where they cater to class/spec orchestration per lobby for shuffle they don’t care about PvP THAT much. As for queues idc what I play i rather more games coming from someone that has a full time job. Time is money so if i only play 1 game in 2 hours thats not very progressive to me for a monthly subscription for a video game.

[outer sky]

Eh I run my own retail business, brick and mortar store, and have a 10 month old baby at home and I still prefer quality to quantity of games

[safe pelican]

I’m not saying quality of games doesn’t matter but it also matters more to people like you that are at a higher rating threshold

I’ll be like you when I group up Zic working on my own business now 💯

[outer sky]

You think so? I feel like casters get the free lunch. Like if you're a frost mage or a devoker, you can basically be half afk and win vs most melee even if they're substantially more skilled than you are. The melee have to out play the shit out of you and even then you'll still probably win.

[outer sky]

It's worth it man, best decision of my life and I'm including marrying my wife in that

[severe helm]

I mean 2400 in a normal season

right now 2400 is like 2800 in DF

so if were talking current season I'd adjust that to sub 21-2200 is where melee have easier games

cuz frankly, its easier to chase than to run and melee have a lower skill floor on average

a bad lock/mage/sp struggles a lot into melee

but a bad war knows how to press charge

[outer sky]

I'm 2600 in shuffle and I can't hit 2k in 3s so idk they may not be correlated at all. Just different skill sets

[severe helm]

I mean that could very likely be your partners or that your spec is extremely strong in solo shuffle

and not as strong in 3v3 when damp goes up much slower

which I think is potentially true of assa rogue

[outer sky]

Most people say assa is better is 3s than solo

[severe helm]

thats cap

[outer sky]

Idk if it's true or not

But people say so

[severe helm]

assa is insane in shuffle

but yeah I'd say if you grouped up with 2 other friends also 2.5-2.6 in shuffle youd def be able to make it to 2200ish

at least

[outer sky]

I almost hit 2.3 last season

But like

At some point there's just nothing you can do idk

3s is so weird

Healing is so strong and with the CC nerf setting up CC chains to land a kill is damn near unrealistic

And if the healer is free for half a second they're topped

So like what do you do

Just run away until dampening

Great game

[potent pivot]

is that really your perception of shuffle?

imo all the 3s r1s either don't give a fuck enough to get r1 in shuffle, or they consistently sit at #1 for their spec (if they care at all)

it's insanely common that you see someone 400-600 rating lower in 3v3 than in shuffle

so it's generally just said that your shuffle experience is worth that much less in 3s

i really feel like almost anyone can get r1 in shuffle or bare minimum Elite just from playing enough

[outer sky]

Nah man you wouldn't believe how many people with r1 titles I see that can't even walk into the arena correctly

It's been an extremely sobering experience

[potent pivot]

you know people buy titles too right

or have 10 year old titles

[outer sky]

Yeah i know I know

[potent pivot]

while i can somewhat agree the r1 3s scene is hard to get into

i think the skill gap is still huge

comparing r1 3s to r1 shuffle

blaming it on not having team mates is just dumb

it's part of the game

that's just how it works

[outer sky]

A few weeks ago I faced a "sinful gladiator" arms warrior who trinketed the 1st time I disarmed him and then died in a smoke bomb 25 seconds later

[potent pivot]

if you are good, good players will want to play with you

simple as

[outer sky]

I've seen a few "dread Gladiators" die in the opener

The unchained gladiators though

They throw the most

[potent pivot]

i mean it happens to everyone

[outer sky]

Closely followed by the corrupted gladiators

[potent pivot]

you can get r1 in anything and still fuck up

my point is that i don't think shuffle experience is 'written off' when it shouldn't be

i think it's very valid

[outer sky]

I'm just saying I don't notice any meaningful skill difference between them and anyone else. I used to be semi intimidated by them but now I'm like "just rush the r1 hpal I bet he won't bubble" and then half the time he doesn't

[jaunty osprey]

i mean

some people

just dont care

sometimes they're just gaming

[outer sky]

Nah nobody queues, waits the time for it to pop, and then doesn't play to win. Anyone telling you that is making an excuse

[potent pivot]

idk man

it's a game

[outer sky]

Yes, people want to win games

[potent pivot]

not everyone is trying to tryhard play perfectly 24/7

like me on my alts

i could give a fuck less lmao

[outer sky]

You don't try to win?

[potent pivot]

when i play 3s i care a lot more about winning

because i'm not playing with 5 randoms

[safe pelican]

You pushing your alt rn in blitz ? @severe helm

[potent pivot]

nor am i really pushing for anything wild in shuffle

from what i've seen happening at 2.4k range in shuffle this season

i truly believe that anyone can get r1

[severe helm]

yeah slowly haha

blitz is kinda getting deflated rn so theres a bit of a wall at like 2.9

[safe pelican]

lol i see you I’m bout to get some queues in now myself get this 2.4 out the way

[severe helm]

yeah def agree

[jaunty osprey]

if im not pushing for r1

im so chill

in shuf

[severe helm]

I've never gotten r1 in 3s but have been at that mmr before and the games felt WAY harder than any shuffle ever did and I've gotten that twice

[jaunty osprey]

like oops i lost a round

mb

[severe helm]

3s r1 has some of the most experienced and veteraned players pushing it

[jaunty osprey]

or if im not trying to push 3s

all my lower games r super casual

like oh shit, maybe i shouldnt have chased behind a pillar without trinket

o well

[severe helm]

r1 shuffle is nice cuz in theory it should be hte same difficulty every season unless for some reason your spec is insanely popular at the high end for some specific season

3s r1 just feels so out of grasp

[outer sky]

I'm pretty sure if you play in such a way that you know you're likely to lose you can be reported for it

[severe helm]

naaah

[jaunty osprey]

u cant and shouldnt report someone

for playing bad

lmao

[severe helm]

I mean theres times where I know my gear isnt optimal

[safe pelican]

People be wilding for reporting for making honest mistakes

[severe helm]

or im missing enchants

and I queue anyway

thats not bannable

[outer sky]

If you play bad on purpose though

[potent pivot]

you can only be reported for sitting AFK or pressing CDs in the waiting room

[outer sky]

What do they call it

[severe helm]

just cuz Im technically intentionally inting in a sense

[jaunty osprey]

i mean

[potent pivot]

win trading

[jaunty osprey]

u didnt press ambush

or cheap shot

for

3000 shuffle rounds

on 3 rogues

[safe pelican]

Lmao you can get reported for pressing CDs in waiting room ?

[potent pivot]

playing bad isn't win trading

[safe pelican]

Damn

[outer sky]

Deranking*

[potent pivot]

win trading is losing the games vs a certain player on purpose

[outer sky]

That's it

[severe helm]

cant be banned for throwing intentionally

if youre bad every game

its okay

[jaunty osprey]

playing bad isnt reportable, but INTENTIONALLY losing is different

[potent pivot]

deranking is now a reportable offense

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/meepmonkmw watch this stream rn and u can see how bad people are

at 2400-2600+

none of them should be reported though

[safe pelican]

Yea those are two different things deranking would be harder to prove than direct win trading imo but yea

[jaunty osprey]

they just fucking suck

[potent pivot]

yes unless its like a 1 time thing and u say oops

if you do it multiple rounds of a shuffle fuck yes it's reportable lol

[outer sky]

Sometimes it's an accident

So they let it go

I had a spriest once in a lobby that felt like the healer wasn't using his CDs so he dispersed in the waiting room and said "no disperse so you have to press something now"

That's reportable

[safe pelican]

Oh definitely but like i have definitely accident pressed bomb in the waiting room a handful of times never intentional sometimes just a high mis click on a button just good to know people report for that

[potent pivot]

nah that's fine

it's very obvious when people do it on purpose

[outer sky]

Yeah they usually make a point about it

[potent pivot]

or they lose to their friend every round they face them

there's been some videos made about win trading

since shuffle was released

1 evoker even got banned for win trading and made a vid full of receipts that it was someone else doing it in lobbies he ended up in

[outer sky]

He got banned when someone else was doing it?

[potent pivot]

yeah

a dev voker iirc

[outer sky]

Did blizzard fix it

[potent pivot]

he ended up in a lot of lobbies with the guy that was doing it

i don't remember

lemme see if i can find it

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5DhUHjxnsw?

idk if blizz fixed it or not

[outer sky]

That's hilarious

[jaunty osprey]

LOOK WHAT I JUST GOT

ONLY PERSON I REPORTED RECENTLY WAS NOTRICKZ

[severe helm]

my favorite

oh wait

uh oh

[jaunty osprey]

jk about notrickz

[potent pivot]

OMFG MY ACCOUNT

SO IS DOTO BANNED

[jaunty osprey]

idk

i report anyone who whispers me

in shuffle

so it could be anything

LOL

[severe helm]

hahahaha

[potent pivot]

aww

[severe helm]

Yeah Im pretty quick on the draw with the report

fuck the system

the problem is though

[severe helm]

im worried if I report them

[potent pivot]

broooooooooooo

[severe helm]

they will report me

[potent pivot]

i think Doto is banned lmfaoooo

[severe helm]

wait whos doto

[jaunty osprey]

nah

he renamed

to dannyphantom

[potent pivot]

oh wtf

[jaunty osprey]

same server

it's easy to keep track of these these by looking at characterID

i just save them on warcraftlogs and it always updates

whereever they xfer to

[potent pivot]

i don't see them on the armory

[jaunty osprey]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/undermine/dannyphantom/

[potent pivot]

sus rogue that jumped from 1800 to r1 range in the past week

basically

[severe helm]

ooooooooooooh

this is the one ivan was talking about

the suspected piloting

[potent pivot]

yeh

[jaunty osprey]

not suspected

it is

2 rogues, 250 games played on both

hardstuck 1600-1800

negative w/l in 2s with over 100 games played at 1500

[severe helm]

he must have watched a skill cap guide

[potent pivot]

idk it'll never be anything more than suspected unless they get banned from all the reports

unforch

[severe helm]

its unbelievably sus

[potent pivot]

meep getting everyone in lobbies with him to report

i'd assume they'd at least check it by end of season

[jaunty osprey]

they hardly check for shuf

mainly for 3s

[severe helm]

shuf is where lots of wintrading happens

[potent pivot]

nahh they check shuff

[severe helm]

I have a strat for avoiding wintraders end of season

you have to accept the queue in the very last 0.5 seconds

[potent pivot]

that devoker vid i posted earlier was about shuff

[jaunty osprey]

they do for wintrading, not for piloting really

[potent pivot]

possible

[severe helm]

the reason is I think the way wintraders sync up is by checking for 4/6 then they wait towards the end and one of them accepts and sees it go to 5/6 then the other accepts once they know its the same game

[potent pivot]

it's kinda hard for them to prove piloting i imagine

[severe helm]

so I just accept at the VERY lats instant and they cant be sure theyre in the same game so they dont accept

[jaunty osprey]

u dont even need to do that to wintrade

u just discord screen share

and can see in real time if it pops same time

[severe helm]

I think it works because when I do this strat, I get sent back into the queue like 9 times out of 10

cuz its the same wintrading healer queueing back up and getting an i nsta

and I just cuck them over and over

it was so egregious s2 of DF

I had times where I got TWENTY pops in a row

[jaunty osprey]

well this season

[severe helm]

where someoen didnt accept

also anotehr thing players do

[jaunty osprey]

i watch mies stream and metaphors

and if i get them

[severe helm]

is they "freeze" the queues

as a healer

[jaunty osprey]

i dont take it

[severe helm]

they queue up

[jaunty osprey]

and i requeue

[severe helm]

and just dont accept

so that the game never goes through

essentially holding hte lobby hostage

and slowing down the climb

so people cant push

[jaunty osprey]

u

can do that as dps too

[severe helm]

yeah but dps doesnt have high enough prio

so youc ant really

cuz they will just fill

with soemone else

[jaunty osprey]

u can at higher ratings

[severe helm]

but in super high lobbies like 3.3+

healers are SO rare

you can freeze the queues for so long

[jaunty osprey]

i held a mies lobby hostage for 1 hr

till i stopped

[severe helm]

eh end of season its harder

theres so many dps queueing

[jaunty osprey]

i didnt want him healing me

[severe helm]

blitz its REALLY bad

you can freeze queues rn

easily

esp if you duo queue

cuz duo has insanely high prio in blitz queues

tank as well

but its hard to get super high mmr as tank

but yeah the queue manipulation is insane

[jaunty osprey]

u can get super high mmr tank easily by duoing

w healer

: D

[severe helm]

yeah its not easy though cuz tanks always get anotehr tank

so finding another high mmr tank to queue against

and going positive without them quitting and stopping their queues

is hard

if there isnt another high rated tank queueing you can get pulled down like 300 mmr to some lower rated tank

and if you get unlucky and someone throws you can lose SO much mmr

[potent pivot]

I’m surprised just how dead queues are in a s1 rn

Too many game modes for 1 game idk

[outer sky]

I've never seen queues this dead

[potent pivot]

Same

[outer sky]

I'm queuing into the same people at like 1900 rating

[safe pelican]

I think we have too many game modes lowkey too

Shuffle blitz and 2v2 mix the 3’s and shuffle bracket with 3v3 even though idk how they would do this but an idea that’s been on world PvP

[potent pivot]

i just think classic/SOD/Cata/classic HC/retail/etc is too much

[safe pelican]

Yup

I agree

More shit for the player base to be separated on

Foolishness

[potent pivot]

i like that there's more pvp brackets, but i'm hoping they're just gathering data on what to do

[safe pelican]

Then players like pika leave retail and snupy etc etc that incentivizes the followers of them to do the same and leave retail

[safe pelican]

Same hopefully all the ranting and post in world PvP reddit don’t go to waste

[potent pivot]

i wish they'd just remove everything except 3v3

and make a solo q pvp mode that's pruned as fuck

like instead of pruning the game to cater to shuffle

leave 3v3 how the 3v3 players want it

like it was in shadowlands

[safe pelican]

Yea 2v2 is kinda just for carry’s lowkey or at least it’s getting used for that a lot, see what happens in s2 hopefully game doesn’t die in a month fingers crossed time to queue some blitz

[potent pivot]

pvp will always die within a month

with the current rating and reward system

there's no incentive to q

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

[spring bough]

Got the sire isle ring BIS gems in less than ten minutes lol

[lone anvil]

I've just been on Classic Fresh and Rivals. Barely leaves anytime for retail

I still have a 2s partner who yells at me for never logging on 🥲

[jaunty osprey]

my mage has reached 80

time to frostfire

[keen canopy]

at last after becoming one of the top players of my spec in rating i can finally get 1 whole weapon illusion

only a bit more and I can get some weapons that are a different color!

[spring bough]

what do i spend my leftover bronze tokens on

[potent pivot]

rep or titles or timewalking badges

[spring bough]

got all the titles and most of the rep. guess its just badges lol

started to pve a lot today. already past 620 ilvl lol

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/meepmonkmw/clip/NiceRacyEggplantHassaanChop-jjHOipbSfcDMhwUV

MEEP GOT R1 EVERY HEALER

NOW SHUFFIES ARE GONNA BE DEAD

[spring bough]

every healer???? lmaooo

thats crazy

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

#1 on every healer spec

[spring bough]

got these SOD pally swords after i realized they sheathe on back. they look pretty good with the vancleef mog lol

[severe helm]

I largely blame the rating reward system

It genuinely incentivizes just waiting til the end to queue

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

1 more game for r1 range

if i didnt queue two rogues, i'd be 2650 atm like my priest

ez got it in range

[outer sky]

I hate these lobbies where I load in and i'm like "yep, 0-6"

and then it takes forever to climb back up

[stoic spruce]

I hate the lobbies where I load in

just in general

I be thinking "damn. blizzard got me again"

[outer sky]

ya know what would honestly not be a bad idea for shuffle

everyone gets 5 Get Out of Jail Free cards

5x per season you can /afk with no penalty

[glass hazel]

for me its double\triple pal :x

when i see that many pals i knew i will perform poor

[outer sky]

Yeah they just have too many outs

[outer sky]

@potent pivot Yeah man, I'm not buying this shit. I just played another lobby with one of these annointed rank 1s. I think this guy may have actually been the single worst player I've ever seen in WoW history

Its just a boosters club is all it is

[frozen crescent]

did they remove shadowy duel from sub?

[verbal field]

#pvp message

[lone jasper]

🤦‍♂️

Are they aiming to remove that class in the end….

One of the main thing i liked in sub was shadowy duel

[azure shoal]

For a new player how worth is to buy the sub to Skill Capped?

I dont even know the skills of other characters haaha

[potent pivot]

I’d watch all of their free stuff first

[azure shoal]

Okaay

[gusty hedge]

would not pay for anything pvp imo
trial and error the best way. Lots of guides + gameplay for each class /spec( it doesn't show you everything you can do) but trial and error you'll find your way/ your own play style per build depending if you play arena/rbgb/ Wpvp.

[potent pivot]

i think the fact that you can get the skillcapped UI and all the info along with it is somewhat worth it for a newer pvper, highly depending on what that amount of money means to you though

but playing and trial and error will always start to sink in a lot more than watching guides and videos

[azure shoal]

Well is 12 euros 1 month where i can have the skillcapped UI

Idk how it is

[potent pivot]

you can get all of the addons it offers for free

you're just paying for the profiles of those addons to be set up so you don't have to set them up yourself basically

[wraith tangle]

Their addon is great. Guides not so much. They are very basic and unfortunately a lot of them outdated. Everything they offer you find on YT for free. But that addon is really cool.

[candid tide]

Ull get like diff epiphany’s during stages of mmr in arena

Like at first u know ur rotation needs to be hammered down

Then u see ur positioning is not there yet

And in the end i guess its all about awareness when u got most of the things down

[safe pelican]

What’s haste tax again

15% ?

17% too much? 🧐

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

You want around 9-10% in pvp combat

[safe pelican]

I think my whole build is fucked lmao gimme a second I’ll send gear

[potent pivot]

You get the other 10% from talents

[safe pelican]

In match

Damn didn’t know that

[potent pivot]

Tbh I wouldn’t worry about it

Outlaw almost plays exactly the same regardless

It’s very min max

Just depends how much time you wanna spend on min max

I’d just play the game regularly and then use the conq later on to fix it maybe

[safe pelican]

Yea im tryna fix it now I really don’t care cc wins with rogue at the end of the day

In combat XD

Haste Mafia

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-well-that-makes-it-even-worse-that-makes-it-worse-that-made-it-worse-it-justs-gets-bad-gif-21662724

[gusty hedge]

silent slapper build
If ur playing fatebound swap and test trickster with these stats +attk speed/haste talent
even with fatebound the haste feels nice when u dnt have adr up + extra gcd in crackshot window

supercharged ftw btw

[safe pelican]

I could never do that to myself lol i love quad hook too much, i adjusted my stats and kept the gear slipped the haste with the vers so sitting at 30% vers now and 16% haste

[gusty hedge]

quad hook def adeal breaker! hard trying to gank/ slip away /chase without it

[brave plume]

does eye beam go through CoS

[potent pivot]

it shouldn't but some abilities interact very oddly with cloak

[brave plume]

hmm, been just wpvp for a while and tried with a few havocs and it went through every time 😄

[potent pivot]

yeh if you read cloak's tooltip

[spring bough]

earthcrawler delve has to be the easiest one ive ever done

[potent pivot]

it provides 1 sec of full immunity from magic effects, removes any harmful magic effects

after that it 'provides resistance' from magic effects

so some things will effect you after cloak's 1st second

just depends, it can be unintuitive

but i feel like eye beam should get immuned

[spring bough]

Can’t decide if sin or outlaw day for keys and pvp

[jaunty osprey]

sin keys

is super easy and fun

cause splatter

[spring bough]

it does do a ton of aoe damage. i run the aoe silence for keys too and thats usually real helpful

[jaunty osprey]

i dont think you're supposed to run iron wire

lol

[potent pivot]

huh

you def run iron wire

[jaunty osprey]

no

you dont

lol

not after subterfuge change

you play MA

[potent pivot]

yes, you do

[jaunty osprey]

no you dont

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

or well not in every key at least

[potent pivot]

yes, you fuckin do lol

not every key sure

especially if you're not pugging and you're playing with a full premade, sometimes you don't need it for certain keys

[fading blade]

daily gg rogue comment

[spring bough]

only 4 of the top 50 run iron wire lol

they go for the envenom overlap talent instead of it now

[potent pivot]

again, read this message
#pvp message

[spring bough]

we were talking about keys before lol

[potent pivot]

looking at the top 50 or even top 100 is 99% premades

[potent pivot]

enough pve talk in here

[fading blade]

pvp is pve anyway at this point

[severe helm]

you do in keys

some people at really high rating drop it cuz their routes are super niche

but if you pug as assa into like 13s-15s

and you dont have iron wire

you will get flamed very hard

[spring bough]

crushing the keys today. flipping back n forth between outlaw n sin. finally getting past 625 ilvl. they made it so easy this season lol

[languid ravine]

-twitch streamer reads and starts answering my question
-45 second advertisement starts playing

[last jasper]

Have you heard of Adblock?

[severe helm]

adblock doesnt work on twitch

I use a custom script thing to actually block twitch ads using tampermonkey

[candid tide]

have to watch or they wont get salary

[jaunty osprey]

ublock origin works, but you have to set it up properly - by importing a github script / adding a filter

[severe helm]

ive had it work then break then work again so many times

twitch is clearly fighting a war right now haha

[safe pelican]

Fuck them ads 🤣

Every team on silver-shard mines if they don’t win lava : “ Our Rogues suck “

Me fighting 2 rogues and a disc priest at the off cart while both my healers sit lava and still lose ; 😐😐😐

I get it though it’s way easier to blame the off cart people than to spin up there and try to actually help ( rant over )

[verbal field]

Complaint registered. next queue

[mystic pasture]

Its always best to blame your team (anyone will do), that way your skill and ego stay intact.

[jaunty osprey]

the new script has been working without fail, twitch gave up the war like 8 months ago

but fuck twitch LOL

[severe helm]

ah yeah with script I can usually get ublock working but default wont

[safe pelican]

Tanked blitz rating today finally won and got 0 rating #pain

Had the worst teams bro all day

[severe helm]

@potent pivot how do you make the eng bracers into pvp bracers?

is there a way to make them pvp scaling? I remember you saying ther was

[potent pivot]

you just add the heraldries

there might be 2 diff engi bracers on the crafting order UI but i don't remember if there was or not

[severe helm]

I couldn't find the other ones and there's only an option for sparks

Hmm

[potent pivot]

they're called Algari

just like the helm is Algari Goggles

[severe helm]

oooh weird

are those even engineering?

or do they require eng rather

[potent pivot]

afaik ya

psure

[severe helm]

aaaah nice found it

doesnt even require eng to wear!

I think thats only the helm

[potent pivot]

odd

[outer sky]

Imagine this level of healer diff

[candid tide]

He had to heal more cause dps diff

[outer sky]

wtf is going on with me

my last 4 lobbies

were all either 0-6 or 1-5

how

I'm not doing anything differently

was there a tuning patch

[potent pivot]

nothin yet

[outer sky]

It feels like nothing takes any damage

[potent pivot]

besides the .7 stuff

no rogue changes

[outer sky]

Like I'll blow my load into someone and their health will move like 5%

[potent pivot]

dh/monk got buffed a lil more i think

[outer sky]

or full bleeds on a melee cleave and nobody is dying

[potent pivot]

idr everything else

[outer sky]

0 pressure

[potent pivot]

at risk of sounding dumb

[outer sky]

yes my poisons are on

[potent pivot]

do you have your poisons on

ok

does your dps look proper on the meter?

might just be good healers idk

[outer sky]

theyre not good when theyre on my team

I'm dead the whole game

[potent pivot]

hmm idk

is any of your gear broken

no changes come to mind that'd make anyone super tanky

[severe helm]

it just be like that sometimes

maybe youre just at higher rating now

so the players are better

[outer sky]

No thats not it

this is my lowest rated rogue

[potent pivot]

think aug is gonna be even better in pvp now

?

[severe helm]

It might be yeah

I mean id say aug is bad right now

in pvp

for the most part

[potent pivot]

other than it's one shot

that iirc got nerfed with .7

[severe helm]

I think it might be a viable dps in more comps for sure since I think theyre gona buff its dps contribution

I dont think itll ever be super popular unless it becomes giga op

cuz people tend to just not like playing it

only spec less popular than the rogue specs is aug haha

but yeah theres just not that many aug mains so aug tech takes a while to catch on

[potent pivot]

i'm kinda surprised that there's no aug buff one shots

i've got like zero idea how they work just from a big lack of facing them

[jaunty osprey]

@severe helm

start of my bgb era

[outer sky]

This game, I swear...

[pale storm]

gg

[jaunty osprey]

ahh that was you

GG

I was lucky I didn't have to do off carts

[jaunty osprey]

also, on WSG - i didn't know when we should be opening on FC

[pale storm]

yeah we threw that a little. yeah, I was waiting on you lol

[potent pivot]

4 rogues vs 1?

[jaunty osprey]

what's the strat for that

when it's 2x rogue

vs fc

[jaunty osprey]

it was 3v2!!

looney and i on same team

then here it was 2v1 but i had 2 rogues vs looney

[potent pivot]

ahhh idk why i thought you were on alliance side

[halcyon timber]

fuckin yep.

[severe helm]

just open when people are with you

dont open if youre just gona get cced and die

[jaunty osprey]

ok bgb is so fun

idk how to do rogue things yet

but besides that, it's fun

[azure shoal]

How good is to apply Rupture in the opener with sub rogue?

[jaunty osprey]

@severe helm that hpal you have

obierice/killaks

is actually the worst human being in the world

[potent pivot]

you generally do it to line up your Finality evis with Darkest Night

if all you do is spam evis it won't line up

unless you've already consumed some Deathstalker's Mark stacks or something beforehand

[potent pivot]

worse than that one presvoker?

[jaunty osprey]

omg

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

but yes

worse than him

[azure shoal]

What do you mean with line up?
Sorry for the question but i dont know what that means

[potent pivot]

In wow there are a lot of buffs, some from passive talents, some from active abilities, etc

Lining up buffs just means utilizing more than 1 buff at 1 time for maximum damage

[azure shoal]

Nice thanks

[severe helm]

idk who it is haha

oh on that last game

were you in that?

[jaunty osprey]

@severe helm nah

i stopped queuing

he's just a super toxic and racist hpal

u got him again though

[severe helm]

yeah lots of that in blitz

people are kinda awful

[outer sky]

I think I'm starting to come around to the shadowy duel removal

It seems like every time I face a sub rogue his sole mission in life is to kill me in a duel

it's extremely degenerate

I basically cannot trinket unless I'm dueled

and if I do I know he's waiting for the moment where the stars align where I'm at sub 80% and he has blades and I'm off stun DR

[severe helm]

their spec is literally designed around 100-0ing you in a duel/bomb

its miserable to play against

[glass hazel]

what wa is that one at the bottom?:)

[outer sky]

Even playing as it is kind of annoying. It's such a specific win condition that you have to play for basically every game

[severe helm]

yeah some people have built their entire wow careers around that playstyle tbh

thats why theyre mad

[outer sky]

I definitely think sub needs something to compensate though

[glass hazel]

smth against mages imho

like silence

[outer sky]

Mages just need a redesign to be less toxic

something like

where when you Ice Block, instead of it providing an immunity, it just insta kills you instead

idk I'm just spitballin'

[glass hazel]

tch delve bugged

so sad

=_=

2\3 defeated and 3 dead body lol

[glass hazel]

cant kill 2 same time ok -_-

[willow valley]

war within on sale, now it only costs 35, maybe i get it for christmas. Is it worth it? I mainly want to play pvp but i've seen a lot of people saying pvp is dead

[indigo hill]

It's not dead. Just late in the season but still very possible to play.

[outer sky]

still 2 months :/

[glass hazel]

when it best to try farm elite? 😄

last month?

[azure shoal]

Do you guys recommend to use a mmo mouse?

[willow valley]

dead isnt what i trully meant

more like a big shit

or thats what a lot of ppl is saying, mostly YT and streamers

[indigo hill]

Can't say I have that experience but I don't play over 2k.

[willow valley]

so

would u say competitive is "bad"?

cuz if normal bg is ok

thats enough for me

[candid tide]

in shuffle if u win atleast 4-2 the q will pop around 10-15 mins, atleast thats how it is till 1800 from my exp

sometimes u get chain pops too

[willow valley]

and is sub good?

[candid tide]

idk really

havent play sub since the removal of dust

[willow valley]

and which spec is the best for pvp now?

outlaw?

[candid tide]

not sure, did heard its the best spec atm but some say it sucks for shuffle also for some reason

[willow valley]

bruh

idk what to do then

[candid tide]

its fun tho thats fs

i hit 1800+ a day ago with it in shuffle

big wins all the way

[willow valley]

fuck it then

im buying it tomorrow

[willow valley]

thx bro

[indigo hill]

I'd go blitz myself. Way to many premade in normal bgs. My preference is outlaw but I think all 3 are viable atm.

[jaunty osprey]

gg finally got them

100 runs later somehow

[languid ravine]

Can someone tell me for certain if "Legend" title is removed after season the internet tells me yesno of course

[jaunty osprey]

yes

only Forged Legend or the r1 for that season isn't removed

[languid ravine]

oki thx

forged legend is kinda lol because it sounds like made up forged

but sadly it isnt cool at all in german

[spring bough]

Went to logon and completely forgot it is reset day 😭

[sterile maple]

Hello! There's a guide for subtlety rogue for pvp? Tww

[candid tide]

omg just got a 5x ace procs

wtf rng

[marble oasis]

Probably been asked before but i couldn't find it when searching. was we using Cyrce's Circlet in pvp?
I'm expecting not due to the massive pvp modifier nerf and the raw stat drop being pretty major

[potent pivot]

No, the stat procs are nerfed too

[marble oasis]

Yeh thought as much. i was just comparing the stats wit hand without the procs and the difference is insane how bad it is.

thanks for confirming my 'testing' so to speak

[severe helm]

always at the end

[jaunty osprey]

Only 228 glads so far on NA, damn

[safe pelican]

Lets see if i can undo my rating tank in blitz from yesterday

[safe pelican]

Shuffle and blitz or just shuffle ?

Ahhhh reset day nvm I’ll go touch grass for a bit

Wait patch day right with all those shitty changes ?? Like the CC break and duel take away

[potent pivot]

no

thats months away

[jaunty osprey]

Gladiators, so 3v3 + 50 wins above 2400 rating

[severe helm]

you cant get glad in blitz

or in shuffle

[safe turret]

Supercharger build ideal for outlaw now or is it just preference between that and vigor/lethality?

[potent pivot]

nah it's pretty much the go to now

[safe turret]

still 10%~ haste before alacrity/surprise?

[potent pivot]

mhm

[pliant mauve]

Can we still post vod reviews here? I’m hard stuck at 2090 and feeling clueless. At the least I want to hit 2100 and then I can go crawl in a cave.

[potent pivot]

sure if you post a clip i'm sure someone will take a look

[mystic lichen]

Feeld like everytime i get cc / rooted and all of that i tend to lose momentum on the rotation? Any idea or just build ut up again (outlaw)

[stoic spruce]

That's the name of the game as outlaw

Just gotta build it up again

[jaunty osprey]

A lot of the 3v3 outlaws still play Vigor

All preference

Both are good

[safe turret]

supercharger def feels like way more dmg but man does it feel awful outside of AR

[jaunty osprey]

Ya if you lose AR as Supercharger, it’s so annoying cause

[candid tide]

more US players is getting on supercharger while EU still playing vigor majority

[jaunty osprey]

your sinister strikes costs ur whole energy bar

Well

I think Dazed runs Vigor, top NA Outlaw

but ya, EU prefers standard builds mostly for all rogue specs

where as NA rogues tend to experiment

[candid tide]

i feeel comfy with vigor atm mby when hit high cr might switch up to test

[jaunty osprey]

Like Kalvish doesn’t play Flag for Sub

Trill does whatever he wants for Outlaw/Sub

Pika googles/check-pvps his talents every time and does whatever

[jaunty osprey]

Vigor feels soooo smooth

Like if you lose AR, it isn’t as punishing farming it back

[candid tide]

yeah fs the spec is amazing if u can keep ur rotation up

[stoic spruce]

I personally don't think the highs justify how the spec feels at its lows

Personally

[spring bough]

fatebound sin in solo shuffle is stupid lol

i also found out if you are duelist and go to another spec and start at 0 rating you will still get Gilded crests. i dont think blizz intended that lol

[languid ravine]

Blizzard does not intend for anything except for your dollars being sucked into their bank accounts

[severe helm]

Tbh both sc and vigor are viable and neither is going to be the reason you lost a match haha

Play whichever one feels best imo

Vigor is easier to play

[outer sky]

Are they serious?

[severe helm]

Wdym

Oh as in 'prized' is shit?

[outer sky]

yeah

[severe helm]

Yeah not great

Forged is a lot cooler

[outer sky]

way better

The best ones are Forged and Crimson

S1 titles are the best I guess

[severe helm]

Crimson was cool yeah

Obsidian wasn't too bad either

Sinful was cool from shadow lands

[bleak dagger]

IMO they ran out of good ones back in tbc - Brutal, Vengeful, Relentless… now you get Prized or Verdant. Not saying I’ll ever achv a R1 title , but these are pretty lame

[outer sky]

Nah MoP had some bangers

Tyrannical

[bleak dagger]

I liked Warmongering , that was Wod maybe

[outer sky]

Demonic was a good one too

from Legion

TBC Classic had my favorite ove ever

Infernal

[stoic spruce]

I liked Sinister from BFA

[glass hazel]

even lame r1 still r1

i would not refuse to get one haha

[stoic spruce]

Some seasons I would

After an amount of time, the only thing people care about is how cool the name is

Prized Gladiator won't pull any bitches

[safe pelican]

copy thought that was this week only fair they let sub rogue have a little more fun before armageddon

[safe pelican]

Ohhhh okay ngl still green on the titles thought glad was winning 50+ anything rated lol XD

And i second or 3rd the motion of " prized" anything being dookie butt the bittys aint tryna see that im with Pirate lololol

Sinful and Vengeful are some of the coolest to me and Brutal cause that was when i last played the game lol

I like SC to burst and force CDs does alot of dmg in that opening cheap shot if you have AR havent even tried vigor yet lol once i get some rating back today ill see how i like it maybe SC just feels like free dmg to me

[wet crown]

It's a shame legion pvp was so bad, because demonic glad was probably the best name.

[radiant glen]

ngl SLS1 goes hard

sinful glad bis

[sharp sierra]

yeah these 1shot macros were insane in sl:D

[ruby venture]

why do we play crimson tempest in 2's

[potent pivot]

because it's just another DoT

[ruby venture]

hm

how do we use it

[potent pivot]

we apply it on 2 or more targets

[ruby venture]

oh okay

[potent pivot]

including pets

[ruby venture]

so if theyt are grouped

I just send it

[potent pivot]

the more people you hit with the CT

the higher the damage of the DoT

so if you're vs a BM hunter and can hit their pets and them as an example

etc

[ruby venture]

in 2's do I run kings bane :o

[potent pivot]

u can

[chrome schooner]

To be honest if you have 2 ruptures up and play deathstalker CT is even good on one target

[ruby venture]

how do u guys beat warriors D:

[potent pivot]

yeah i usually will CT on 1 when i know i'm going to have some downtime or i'm getting kited etc

but 9/10 people i've talked to disagree with me

[chrome schooner]

Well well

If they can't look at numbers ... :p

[jaunty osprey]

whenever I play my mage, elemental focusing lens procs like crazy

6 times in 20 seconds

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

look who i found

[potent pivot]

kek

[jaunty osprey]

oh god, i got crusader signing up to my shit

[halcyon field]

Hey, i play dwarf for my outlaw, what is the best for the pvp ?

pls

[potent pivot]

the best what?

race?

[halcyon field]

race

yes

mb

[potent pivot]

night elf

[halcyon field]

for reset aggro ?

[potent pivot]

no

for restealths

[halcyon field]

okok; ty !

[jaunty osprey]

night elf the best for all 3 rogue specs by far unfortunately

sub can get away with being orc though

[loud ember]

Was no talent changes for ss ass rogues in 11.0.7 right?

still pinned post

[potent pivot]

the pinned changes are for 11.1

so not even those

[loud ember]

icy veins best then?

[potent pivot]

murlok.io

nothing's changed

[loud ember]

why the hell so many running fatebound on murlok

grinding bg blitz?

[outer sky]

"Dread Gladiator" hunter scatter shots my smoke bomb target and then ignores an hpal that just bubbled while everyone else has all of their buttons

[potent pivot]

it's been getting a little more popular, easier for worse players

[loud ember]

its one more button

tf

[potent pivot]

yep

you'd be surprised how difficult it is for some folks to keep track of their mark debuff n shit like that

[outer sky]

And even if you never press that button it's still probably better than fate for the increased rupture damage and defensive value

[loud ember]

i havent played much with fatebound, but the gist of it is just

sometimes its better than deathstalker

sometimes its worse

rng

[potent pivot]

nah

[loud ember]

or am i reading that wrong?

[outer sky]

I play fate when I play kingsbane

[jaunty osprey]

big false

[potent pivot]

i don't think it's ever really better, but you can get lucky and proc a big coin at the perfect time for a kill every once in a while

[jaunty osprey]

it's just different playstyle

deathstalker better for aoe rotting

fatebound good for ST

[potent pivot]

assa flips the coins a lot less frequently than outlaw, but our coins hit harder

[outer sky]

I'm not getting the results you're seeing I have no idea how you're doing it. I almost want to submit a bug report. I've been keeping mark up religiously and the highest Sigular Focus % damage I've ever seen so far is 1.2% and that was a high outlier

[jaunty osprey]

idk

I just played another lobby

got another rogue to #2 shuf, 2715 like 30 mins ago

and singular focus was above 4%

[outer sky]

Yeah that's weird idk

[jaunty osprey]

you prob arent cleaving other targets properly

and pressing CT