i think there is not enough winning streak
#pvp
glass hazel
wise breach
These are so boring
quaint cedar
I'd rather quit than play assa personally
Outlaw needs more damage if they're going to take away our best pvp talents
severe helm
Outlaw needs more damage if they're going to take away our best pvp talents
Outlaws damage really isn't that bad
It's on par with most melee tbh
quaint cedar
No it's not bad at all
quaint cedar
But it will be with our biggest throughput pvp talent nerfed
No I'm agreeing with you, damage is fine rn
severe helm
Yeah enduring brawler will suck to lose
quaint cedar
But losing enduring brawler is a damage nerf
severe helm
But the new tier seems busted
quaint cedar
We need buffs to compensate
Eh tier is nerfed in pvp I doubt it will matter much
I'm ok with losing take your cut but enduring brawler is where I have a problem
Makes it worse rotationally too because you're going to proc less
Would be nice if brawler got baselined or something, even if it was a nerfed value, like 10% instead of 15% since we get an extra talent slot
Outlaw damage is good rn but I'm worried it's going to suck ass without brawler
stoic spruce
It was even just a solid QoL talent too
calm cipher
anyone got a good BigDebuff profile for assa in pvp?
potent pivot
you should just be able to use it with default settings
halcyon timber
Tier cut in half too boys
jaunty osprey
so big
jaunty osprey
no
3v3s im on comms with healer
i never ever press cloak or evasion if they dont call it
unless im not the kill target
tribal badger
not on the ladder
fading blade
No1 gonna use rogue gg
outer sky
is it
tribal badger
i mean i often feel like my hardest counter as rogue is other rogues because we are squishiest when getting swappin a stun
outer sky
AoE damage reduction increased from 40% to 56%. and if you spec into elusiveness and drop cheat you get ST damage reduction of 28%
tribal badger
ur assuming its multiplicative and not flat dr regardless of elusiveness
outer sky
It has to be or else it would be too broken
severe helm
no
outer sky
do you have to pre everything
outer sky
Yall think assa drops cheat for this?
maybe situational
like into other rogues
I dont really see this being a "lock in"
outer sky
wonder if its worth macroing to your rotation with the reduced cost
stoic spruce
Are they making feint usable while stunned
Could you imagine though lol
tribal badger
eh sin and sub cant keep 100% uptime if u macro it and itll often be on cd when u want it
outlaw can but the energy cost is still quite substantial
also ud just cast it back to back if u macrod it
when ud want to space out charges
outer sky
might be a lock in for outlaw esp now that brawler is going away
stoic spruce
That makes no sense but okay
potent pivot
outlaw can but the energy cost is still quite substantial
with nimble fingers and the pvp talent it costs like 9 energy
tribal badger
9 energy every ~6s
so thats like 1.5 energy a second to maintain
mmm
outlaw might actually just be able to maintain 100% feint uptime with next to no cost huh @severe helm
whats outlaws average energy regen
probably close to 25-30 per second
the cost would be like
3% of ur total energy budget
severe helm
outlaw might actually just be able to maintain 100% feint uptime with next to no...
yeah p much
costs 18 energy every 6 seconds
so 3 energy per sec
potent pivot
i don't think it's that high per sec
tribal badger
what outlaws energy gen?
you need to factor in fatal flourish in addition to AR
outlaws energy regen is quite substantial
tribal badger
25
severe helm
yeah but the 10 from nimble is after im assuming
but yeah so either way its around 18/19
it wouldnt be 9 I dont think
that would be insane
cuz the new talent makes it cost 30% less
but yeah leme check what rogue energy per sec is without vigor and with
severe helm
thing is you dont really need to keep it up 100%
tribal badger
mhm
severe helm
just need to keep it up when youre off stun dr
tribal badger
u can basically just press it anytime someone is targeting u
and maintain it
xd
or if u smell a stun in the next 6s
its so free to do
kinda wild if u take this talent
potent pivot
without nimble feint is 35 energy
Ah ye idk why I was thinking it was 25 baseline
severe helm
kinda wild if u take this talent
yeah tbh over time people will just ignore rogue as a target
glass hazel
best for assa
inner tartan
aww outlaw lose big pvp talents : (
outer sky
@jaunty osprey on the left is garrote damage in pvp with 4 set and on the right is with just 2 set using crafted vers/mastery head and chest in pvp. As you can see, the difference is only 6,125 damage. That's only a 0.86% increase if you dont run 4 set. Thats why I started running 4 set. the 5% bleed damage you get 70+% of the game is way better than the increase of ~1% give or take you get for the whole game by not running it. I'm not sure why it's like this because for the longest time I didn't run 4 set either for the same reason you don't but when I actually checked the numbers in a game, 4 set came out to be clearly better somehow
outer sky
I feel like this is actually an underrated buff
I've lost plenty of games because my blind broke when somebody breathed on the healer
WAIT
GUYS
WHAT
They got rid of double BoP!?!?!?
Why havent we been talking about this????
Thats HUGE
glass hazel
our prayers were heard wohoo
cause we got upset that every class got a novel of changes and us like 2 lines
but they got cloak on command instead
which is op as well
-_- now they have phys and magic immunity gg
a nvm same cd with bop
i'm blind
ok not that bad then
fading blade
reroll time ez claps
lone goblet
Did they just remove all our best pvp talents in 11.1? What the heck.
outer sky
They removed sub's best pvp talent and outlaw's best 2
and they removed veil
which can be really good into some things
glass hazel
yeah i found it, violet looks kinda cool
loud ember
what is the actual reasoning for removing SHadow Duel and Veil of Midnight?
shits and giggles?
loud ember
did they... forget that all the other rogue pvp talents are
how do i put this
useless ?
potent pivot
who knows what they're thinking
just more dumbing down the game
they removed a lot of stuff from other classes as well
loud ember
i'm excited to see where rogues land in the meta but
it cant be anywhere good as i'm seeing it
potent pivot
it cant be anywhere good as i'm seeing it
it'll probably be fine
outer sky
<@113813700237852677> <@339519002961248258> new glad mount is a recolor
So what. Not like I'm gunna get it anyway. I'm sweating my ass off and can't break 2k in 3s
potent pivot
potent pivot
shuffle has always been different from 3s
outer sky
Yeah it's more reactive as opposed to 3s which is more proactive
potent pivot
the 2.4k shuffle gameplay i witnessed earlier today
was on par with 1800 3s gameplay
verbal field
whats the better pick between dismantle and shadowy duel?
dense pumice
just play outlaw
hazy monolith
It’s for havoc now
radiant glen
glass hazel
recolor?
potent pivot
you will NOT be missed haha
marble oasis
<:brainlet:739983923370655905> <:brainlet:739983923370655905> <:brainlet:7399839...
It's fine, blizzard will make sub do the same burst as other specs now we can't cheese.
potent pivot
It's fine, blizzard will make sub do the same burst as other specs now we can't ...
Nah it’s just a shaman with low IQ bait
Mad he will still be getting skill gapped by sub rogues next season
marble oasis
Mad he will still be getting skill gapped by sub rogues next season
Wait till he finds out about the new feint talent making his lasso useless 😄
azure shoal
Is it gold very important this expansion?
candid tide
ah prices has dropped
azure shoal
I have 200k is enough?
candid tide
yeah thas enough for 3-4 chars i think
wintry dew
Enough for what tho
potent pivot
crafted pieces/enchants/gems/bloodstones/etc
jaunty osprey
<@113813700237852677> on the left is garrote damage in pvp with 4 set and on the...
Just remember, vers and mastery buff more than just bleeds
So it’s wrong to just look at it like that
jaunty osprey
<@113813700237852677> <@339519002961248258> new glad mount is a recolor
Ya idk if I’m gonna do 3s next szn LMAO
potent pivot
yeh i prolly won't bother
jaunty osprey
I like this season’s though tbh
it isnt bad
when you ride it
But the new colour is awful
outer sky
Just remember, vers and mastery buff more than just bleeds
Yeah but bleeds are such an overwhelming % of our damage that 4% more bleed damage will almost certainly eclipse any marginal buffs to envenom or mutilate or fan of knives or whatever
My top 7
jaunty osprey
Idk
my envenom damage is always high
But
you’re forgetting all the other piss hits we do
5% dmg to bleeds isnt close to anything
in PVE, our 4 set gain from 2 set is so low
From 2 pc to 4 pc, it’s a 1.27% gain
IN PVE WHERE IT ISNT NERFED
Just remember, feelycraft is always bad
facts are better
potent pivot
From 2 pc to 4 pc, it’s a 1.27% gain
assuming this is in ST and with different talents
not exactly a 1:1
jaunty osprey
Not a 1:1 at all, but the gain isn’t as big as he thinks it is
to run tier
2 pc vs 4 pc
is essentially what I’ve always said
Always said 4 pc does more dmg, but such a SMALL SMALL loss to gain more vers
potent pivot
ye if it's a gain at all it's pretty miniscule
jaunty osprey
That’s why I run 2 pc on some rogues
candid tide
scrolling mindlessly on the net waiting for shuffle is really something else
jaunty osprey
but ya anyway, our tier sucks
if u want more vers+ mastery and play kingsbane/use envenoms a good amount, play 2 pc
indigo hill
So...we're losing some pvp talents I noticed. The ones people actually use....
potent pivot
"promoting players to use more of a variety of talents yada yada yada"
indigo hill
Ah right. The speed other up talent will do wonders.
potent pivot
yep
other classes:
10-15 actual changes
rogue:
removed x
removed x
removed x
removed x
amber goblet
Dw the hateboner the community has for rogue will never go away
Tbh also kinda weird considering rogue is the 2nd lowest played class in pve as well
candid tide
give me some q so i can gear up this outlaw pls
severe helm
Tbh also kinda weird considering rogue is the 2nd lowest played class in pve as ...
Yeah outlaw/sub are both very far on the scale of difficulty in pve
and for all that difficulty you dont get to do more damage
on top of having some of the least flashy visuals of any spec
you get a recipe for a super unpopular class
candid tide
some r1 is stacking crit on outlaw is this for increased dmg reduction?
potent pivot
some r1 is stacking crit on outlaw is this for increased dmg reduction?
what, no
it's for damage
candid tide
potent pivot
yeah that doesn't matter
candid tide
from this man https://drustvar.com/character/eu/Tarren Mill/Babåyåga
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
candid tide
it doesn't factor into the reason for running crit at all
u think its legit?
potent pivot
think whats legit
candid tide
the crit build hes running
potent pivot
we have been running crit
all season
you only get a certain amount of haste
then the rest of your stats go into crit/vers focus
candid tide
no but the babayaga guy is gets the most crit possible
unlke this r1 he has more balanced take on it https://drustvar.com/character/eu/ravencrest/boltzx
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
potent pivot
ai haste prio it is, cool ty
what
candid tide
haste=crit?
candid tide
a sec shuffs
potent pivot
you want about 10% haste - unbuffed - in pvp scaling
the rest of your stats go into crit/vers
candid tide
gotcha gotcha ty bro
potent pivot
bro is fried
yes, i am 
severe helm
no but the babayaga guy is gets the most crit possible
I think hes inting
vers is more damage per point than crit
by a good margin
like almost 30% more
not only is crit nerfed in pvp(by 50%), bte crits which normally do 400% damage are nerfed in pvp as well which is the main reason crit even has close to the value of vers in general
jaunty osprey
and vers makes u tanky :)))
severe helm
i saw ur build on drust too
should try it out it plays very fun
PS hitting hard is very satisfying
esp when you go into a crackshot window with full stacks of PS
shit cranks
candid tide
1 sec shuff
safe pelican
If i see one more “ Why i am taking a break from retail WoW “ video ima lose it
candid tide
candid tide
should try it out it plays very fun
sounds good ima try it out fs
candid tide
not only is crit nerfed in pvp(by 50%), bte crits which normally do 400% damage ...
but ur running minor crit gems
like babayaga
candid tide
severe helm
oh the helm
thats cuz its for pve
thats not a pvp helm its a myth track pve helm haha
severe helm
haste is still worse than crit past the haste tax requirement
haste does nothing for outlaw
only increases energy regen
but you do need to get the required amount for your adr gcds to be lowered
jolly sierra
oh boy
safe pelican
We cancelling subs and boycotting pvp or what chat
potent pivot
but you do need to get the required amount for your adr gcds to be lowered
(the command literally explains this but i'm going to see myself the fuck out)
severe helm
(the command literally explains this but i'm going to see myself the fuck out)
yeah as soon as its formatted as a command
people just ignore it
lololol
no idea why
I spend a lot of time in the #outlaw channel just typing out what the commands/faq already say
severe helm
Will outlaw be fine without EB & TYC ? <@151872253229924352>
no clue
safe pelican
I’m mad about that
severe helm
I mean
I play without EB a lot in blitz
and it feels fine
itll be a nerf for sure
safe pelican
What do you take instead
severe helm
well its map dependant sometimes I take "drink up me harties"
or I take disarm
or I take veil
I drop EB on node maps
cuz youre never in combat long enough
for it to matter
it takes 45 seconds for it to stack up
its kinda ridiculous
safe pelican
Makes sense now the veil nerf has me mad
candid tide
but you do need to get the required amount for your adr gcds to be lowered
very helpful tyvm
severe helm
If I had to guess next patch we prob will take drink up me harties and disarm more often
turn the tables is actually OP
I take it into like demo/dh/other rogues a lot of the time
the uptime on it is insane
its 10% damage for 12 seconds after any stun
severe helm
lololol
thankless job you have there
its like when you say a joke then someone else says it louder
and they get the laughs
jaunty osprey
!guide
lethal roostBOT
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jaunty osprey
wow thx
outer sky
@jaunty osprey okay yeah after trying this out in more games I'm just dying in CC or missing kill windows because I'm trinketing to keep pressure
Maybe its just not for me
I just 0-6d a lobby with a fury warr, UDK, frost mage, rsham, and holy priest
that should be an easy lobby for me
besides the mage
and in like 5/6 matches I regretted my trinket
hushed snow
Does Vanish remove Hunter's Mark?
safe pelican
lol why everyone so excited shadowy duel is gone kind of sad / bad thing for rogue
safe pelican
Does Vanish remove Hunter's Mark?
No
candid tide
rogue is the most nerfed class in wow history
naive halo
😂
spring bough
Replaced my first ever motherboard. About to overclock the hell outta this i9 😂
Looking good 🙌
candid tide
rip cpu
gritty peak
Cable management in shambles
outer sky
How is this possible? Sudden demise proc'd on this guy but it wasn't what killed him?
outer sky
Cheat Death would show on the log, plus this was a druid
karmic summit
Not sute but does demise go through absorb shields
outer sky
Yes
karmic summit
Like maybe he had 500k hp with 200k absorb when demise did 500k hp he was left with 200k
outer sky
and if he had an absorb shield, sanguine blades wouldn't have ticked for 34.8k into it to proc sudden demise
karmic summit
True well i am out of ideas
severe helm
I don't think cheat death even saves you from it
stoic spruce
I know I am
I just hope I find outlaw fun enough to play it another season
Clocked out at 1800
hidden moth
im just pissed about the 2/4 set bonuses
every healer has the same fucking 2/4 set
every tank has the same fucking 2/4 set
dps either have a big ass proc 2/4 set or a ramping proc set that gives u shit when the procs get eaten or it ends
outer sky
I gotta go back to using my trinket how I was before
I'm just dying in coils because I cant trinket cloak
severe helm
how did you start using it instead?
outer sky
how did you start using it instead?
offensively. to maintain pressure and stay aggressive
I used to only ever trinket if I was going to die, my teammate was going to die, or if I was 100% sure I'd kill in the next 5 seconds
And I'd follow that pretty religiously
maybe breaking that rule once every 100 games or less
But people were telling me assa has to be aggressive to win so you need to trinket offensively to be successful on it
I dont see how though
you just die
I died 100-0 with cloak available in the last game I played
because I died in a coil
fading blade
gg rogue
potent pivot
so i take it as we have to go farm the 650 ring for pvp
what? no
potent pivot
you took the time to come in here and post this.. who is the loser exactly? please grow some brain cells
potent pivot
i was told the new ring is 650 ilvl
it has no stats
potent pivot
it only has gems with effects that are nerfed by 75% in pvp
lime oar
what happened to shadowy duel
nvm
damn we just been taking L after L since tww dropped boys
jaunty osprey
notrickz is typing
potent pivot
!ban @upper wing Trolling/baiting
potent pivot
potent pivot
it's actually so cringe to go into another class discord just to bait people about nerfs
jaunty osprey
if you use dispatch on a critter
potent pivot
can't stand people like that my god
jaunty osprey
it 1 shots someone next to it
proven field
Wow they are cutting Enduring Brawler now too?
and Veil of Midnight? Man
or well here is the entire extent of Rogue:
Other classes getting major re-works, we are getting... Blinding Sleet and losing half our PVP talents
potent pivot
the changes are pinned
i think most rogues are unhappy with the changes posted so far
but we've still got months til the patch
there's time for them to make changes
proven field
I imagine some new ones will come in
jaunty osprey
true
proven field
I wouldn't hate them just... redoing outlaw
I love the spec but I can't deny it's clunky and doesn't really feel like a cohesive spec
potent pivot
i won't pretend to know how they do things
or if the devs are still the same set up from a while back
but dh went without changes for a long time while rogue got some changes
now dh is getting some changes and we're getting none
proven field
well MM players are already mid-torch-lighting because of the changes
jaunty osprey
we'll know when they're ready for rogue changes
proven field
rather they do funky weird things with outlaw - at least in pvp - the 20 of us will get over it
potent pivot
that's become a pretty rare occurence
potent pivot
ik
jaunty osprey
he was in disc though
aka the last changes xd
even if it was 1000000 days ago
just set a bot to ping u when he has a new message in discord
u can sleep forever
jaunty osprey
do u think
potent pivot
we see an alert when people ping em
jaunty osprey
i should not use crafted rings
potent pivot
potent pivot
ye i'm more worried about the crit/vers
jaunty osprey
23 crit 30 vers
i can get another 2700 vers before DR
which is essentially both rings switching from crafted to conq
potent pivot
i think you're good as is
calm cipher
as assa rogue when should i pop cds against a ret/hpal or a mw in a bg aspect
and am i more worried about lc or yulon or w/e against mw
mystic pasture
im ready to play mage
I was fighting a mage and they weee immune to a bunch of my hits. They had just come out of ice block and cast that pvp talent that swirls snow around them and they were immune to multiple hits from me. Anyone know what that was?
potent pivot
I was fighting a mage and they weee immune to a bunch of my hits. They had just ...
oh immune to attacks?
hmm
did you get Glared or something
severe helm
i should not use crafted rings
yes
my alt rogue cranks with this gear I did it a lot better on my alt than my main
vers is still bis even after 30%
and I dont even have gems yet
I crafted boots/belt for embelishments
potent pivot
my alt rogue cranks with this gear I did it a lot better on my alt than my main
how much vers is that outside of pvp
the max i've seen anyone using is like 23% outside of pvp
outer sky
bout time
severe helm
how much vers is that outside of pvp
24.37
gona do crafted bracers too
for even more
outer sky
i think most rogues are unhappy with the changes posted so far
It's weird, usually I'm the one dooming. Now I'm the only optimist. I love these changes. Obviously yeah I don't like losing pvp talents but blind and gouge no longer insta breaking on damage is a super nice quality if life improvement. Plus Rapture is gone. And no more double BoP! Double BoP being gone makes this a win on its own IMO
potent pivot
Aren't you sick of everyone getting a life cocoon every minute?
he also plays priest iirc
severe helm
I do lol
Rapture is op af
The new evangelism is gonna be insane too
It's like an AOE lay on hands
languid ravine
Rogue:
-further delete Sub Rogue from existence 
Good Change I welcome it
outer sky
Generally speaking I think healers in this game need far fewer "oh shit!" buttons. And most of those buttons should be hard casts
tropic zinc
new feint, turn the tables, and tricks?
smoke bomb, tricks, disarm, feint, turn tables
I was hoping daggers in the dark might be good, but it doesnt work during subterfuge which makes it terrible
languid ravine
Hey guys so as a reward for reaching 2400 in shuffle and beating the game I got one of these:
https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=226224/leuchtender-nerubischer-katalysatorstein#english-comments
But the thing is it is bugged for a lot of people, including me and after sending a ticket to customer support I get this: (paraphrasing)
"Hey you are right it doesnt work sorry teehee but we arent gonna do shit about it uwu"
what thje fuck
safe pelican
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLM3AYtl_YA
Lmaoooo this is what i was talking about yesterday bro
What you think bout that snippy did one too
Someone else gunna do one before the weekend over lul
potent pivot
Lmaoooo this is what i was talking about yesterday bro
https://youtube.com/shorts/8ZKT_Wkj3zQ?si=gbg72IcIuO6D7XhD
@jaunty osprey @halcyon timber @lime oar
azure shoal
I got all the pvp honor gear, how can i get now the kareshi and algari gear?
still river
Are There any Information about s2 glad mount ? I Hope its better
potent pivot
Are There any Information about s2 glad mount ? I Hope its better
it's worse
potent pivot
I got all the pvp honor gear, how can i get now the kareshi and algari gear?
the kareshi tier set comes from using the Catalyst to turn items into tier set. you need to get a conquest item to turn it into tier.
the algari crafted gear comes from the purple Heraldries
still river
Jesus Christ
potent pivot
I got all the pvp honor gear, how can i get now the kareshi and algari gear?
look up a pvp gearing guide
i've explained all of it like 200+ times by now since the expansion launched
lime oar
https://youtube.com/shorts/8ZKT_Wkj3zQ?si=gbg72IcIuO6D7XhD
<@113813700237852677>...
The vanish 💀💀💀
What’s the rogue consensus on winning streak modifier
brave plume
do we use the new ring in pvp
potent pivot
do we use the new ring in pvp
no
brave plume
thanks
potent pivot
What’s the rogue consensus on winning streak modifier
no idea atm, it'll likely be nerfed in pvp so it'll either be trash or barely an increase
the pve community doesn't seem to like the set bonuses much
i think sub's is insanely strong
outlaw's is w/e and probably decent
lime oar
Yeah I was reading it and thinking damn this will pump
potent pivot
assa's is just boring rng proc
if they don't buff the fuck out of sub's damage in some way idk if i'll play next season
growing bored of assa->assa->assa
lime oar
I’ve been way too busy to play, but even if I had time I don’t think I’d be on.
Sub is just so dead
potent pivot
Sub is just so dead
it's still not terrible to be real with you
still has like, double outlaw's representation across all ratings total
lowest representation above 2500, but still have people like kalvish nearing 2800 on it
outer sky
I LGGd some 3s earlier and we fought a team with a sub rogue
I died in the opener
Rogue didn't use duel or bomb
Healer flamed me for not trinketing
I'm like
Man I can't trinket vs a sub rogue if he doesn't use duel or bomb
I'll just be dead in the next DR
halcyon timber
https://youtube.com/shorts/8ZKT_Wkj3zQ?si=gbg72IcIuO6D7XhD
<@113813700237852677>...
Gotta make the classes who don’t think happier.
jaunty osprey
oop wrong chat
mystic pasture
did you get Glared or something
Might have been that
languid ravine
Do we know 'end of Season One' date?
daring oracle
Hi, can someone explain how to do damage on outlaw, no matter how I tried, the damage is still low.
azure shoal
For sub rogue pvp which gear should i copy, Nahj one?
potent pivot
For sub rogue pvp which gear should i copy, Nahj one?
pretty much
just don't craft daggers until last
you get 2 free conquest daggers after earning 2500 conquest, from an achievement
potent pivot
mhm
languid ravine
they are so cheap anyways
potent pivot
but you should farm bloody tokens to help you get started with high ilvl
algari gear comes from conquest
candid tide
cant be bothered with bloody gear since cq is uncapped now tbh
azure shoal
I can craft 2 Algari, which ones are the best Head and Chest?
potent pivot
I can craft 2 Algari, which ones are the best Head and Chest?
won't matter much since you're going to need it all anyway
you won't have sockets for a bit so embellishments aren't really a worry yet either
azure shoal
And with honor is worth to buy the blue heralds until i get the purple?
potent pivot
cant be bothered with bloody gear since cq is uncapped now tbh
on a fresh first character that's only full honor gear, you probably want some bloody token gear imo
potent pivot
And with honor is worth to buy the blue heralds until i get the purple?
nah
save honor for getting sockets later on
severe helm
Hi, can someone explain how to do damage on outlaw, no matter how I tried, the d...
Check out the #outlaw-faq
Outlaw has a pretty challenging damage rotation and you get severely punished for doing it wrong
potent pivot
How much fee should i put on the public craft
if you're providing all the mats and missives, like 500 gold is probably fine
depending on realm people do it even cheaper, but it'll get it done a little faster
indigo hill
Outlaw has a pretty challenging damage rotation and you get severely punished fo...
Isn't that the pve faq?
severe helm
Yep
Rotation is the same for the most part
You have to make some informed changes based on when you want to use your vanishes but the core of the builder/spender rules are still there
Look at the "HO build" rules that's what people play in pvp
azure shoal
if you're providing all the mats and missives, like 500 gold is probably fine
What embellisment i have to choose on second slot in the goggles?
potent pivot
What embellisment i have to choose on second slot in the goggles?
wait why are you doing goggles
candid tide
wil def get carpal tunnel from playing outlaw
azure shoal
Nahj does it
potent pivot
Nahj does it
he has like 3 rogues. hang on a sec
lol he has a different helm on all 3 rogues 
candid tide
some say outlaw has no burst but when Aces chain procs its pretty scary
indigo hill
Current build that is posted is too slow for my taste.
indigo hill
No double vanish?
velvet lichen
With Duel gone, and the outlaw changes I can’t see a world in which rogues done get a decent rework before 11.1
indigo hill
Not unless we get some shiny new talents next patch.
candid tide
does outlaw still play the same pvp talents
potent pivot
No double vanish?
sometimes people drop it for Tea yeah
potent pivot
does outlaw still play the same pvp talents
wdym
velvet lichen
Yeah that’s what I’m saying, there was no note about them being happy with how the gameplay is like they did with other specs, so I imagine something will come
velvet lichen
The current changes will to everything won’t go live as is, obvious
potent pivot
take ur cut and enduring brawler
for right now yes why wouldn't we
velvet lichen
take ur cut and enduring brawler
Yeah until 11.1 Lolol
candid tide
for right now yes why wouldn't we
idk changes mby i thought
velvet lichen
That’s not for 2 months
potent pivot
none of the changes go live until 11.1
candid tide
thought it was alr at hands xD
potent pivot
What embellisment i have to choose on second slot in the goggles?
to answer this original question, you won't need embellishments until you get at least 2 sockets. usually Focusing Lens embellishment x2 on both rings.
Focusing Lens doesn't do anything until you've got a regular stat gem socketed
first gem you need to get socketed is the special pvp gem for -5% damage done to you in stuns
candid tide
yeah and if u put a prismatic gem in the place where lens is placed it wont proc at all
velvet lichen
But with the as is changes to feint, a good pre-wall is going to make rogue pretty tanky
40% in stun is huge
potent pivot
i'm pretty doubtful they would make it 60%
so i'm already expecting 28
still pretty decent
candid tide
depends if they crit or not
velvet lichen
I’m so happy Duel is going away… but I also heavily dislike sub sooo there is that
potent pivot
the only change i'm actually happy about is the gouge/blind not insta breaking on damage
hopefully their damage threshold isn't piss
velvet lichen
the only change i'm actually happy about is the gouge/blind not insta breaking o...
That’s for a lot of CC now
Poly, trap etc.
potent pivot
it's because of shuffle
velvet lichen
And M+
potent pivot
and way too much piss aoe
velvet lichen
The funnel damage is insane now
potent pivot
which is because of m+ yeah
velvet lichen
Everything spills
potent pivot
they really should just make all the piss aoe not break the CC
this is a shitty bandaid fix
to abilities that should've been properly developed in the first place
candid tide
why do i feel like shuffle is more like a apm race than real pvp
velvet lichen
I still think they’ll make some changes in the next development notes. Maybe not MM or rDruid level of changes, but something
potent pivot
why do i feel like shuffle is more like a apm race than real pvp
at lower/mid level that's basically all it is
guys
i saw a 2400 MM hunter
using ADAPT trinket
dying with turtle up
etc
potent pivot
meep was losing his mind
halcyon timber
Dh imprison was changed too ai think
candid tide
minor buff from the looks, but well see how it plays out live
languid ravine
Tank in my timewalking dungeon group is a Level 11 Fury warri dealing 20x the damage of everyone esle
I think hes cracked the code
halcyon timber
Super scaling ha
languid ravine
coz blizzard sure knows shit about the code
potent pivot
Tank in my timewalking dungeon group is a Level 11 Fury warri dealing 20x the da...
ye this has been a thing since the 20th anniversary started
twinks are omega op in tw dungeons
been a thing since forever really, but having tw every week has made it more popular
still river
Guys is there a fixed Date Season 1 Ends?
potent pivot
Guys is there a fixed Date Season 1 Ends?
Nop
jaunty osprey
I think I’m gonna level my mage
potent pivot
gotta ask in trade chat in game
azure shoal
Okay, doing it
potent pivot
against the server's rules to ask for crafts or LFG here >_<
potent pivot
no worries
potent pivot
I think I’m gonna level my mage
potent pivot
nah i think the rogue tier set is a huge L
stoic spruce
You would
potent pivot
sure it might okay for outlaw pirate shills
it just doesn't look that great
compared to half of the other sets it's ass
stoic spruce
Compared to the others, its unique. All the others are rogue mog #34
Ider off the top of my head what the current tier looks like tbh
hexed pollen
ring any good for causual bgs/honor farming?
potent pivot
ring any good for causual bgs/honor farming?
doubt it tbh
all the effects are nerfed by 75% in pvp
hexed pollen
gotcha
hexed pollen
i also pve so kind of had too, its alright, pretty short dailies rare farming i guess but not mandatory
potent pivot
Compared to the others, its unique. All the others are rogue mog #34
yeh i just find it kinda uninspired. we've been getting so much pirate shit that i don't like that the tier set is what it is, but it's w/e. the wpvp set makes up for it sorta.
i haven't stepped foot in the new zone either
sour coral
is the ring worth investing in?
potent pivot
is the ring worth investing in?
it's a dead item for pvp
sour coral
Had a feeling still gonna collect it I suppose ❤️
hexed pollen
just make your own mog XD
severe helm
nah i think the rogue tier set is a huge L
wiiiiiild
I think it looks amazing
what I like abou tit
is the pieces individually look useful in other mogs
I hate the sets where the pieces are so specific/ornate that they only ever work in that set
theyre just kinda useless pieces at that point
potent pivot
is the pieces individually look useful in other mogs
the only cool part of the entire set imo is the helm
and i think you've lost it if you think that helm
goes with any other items
severe helm
I dont
potent pivot
severe helm
every other piece does though
the other pieces look great
very understated and not gaudy like most sets
I hate gaudy sets
potent pivot
the other pieces look great
the boots/legs/chest/shoulders might fit some other stuff
i just like stuff that looks thematic to rogues
or looks sick
like the wpvp set i posted above
severe helm
yeah that looks good too
What I hate are sets that are so over the top they look like fucking costumes
like bruh
this is garbage
designed by a 14 year old
severe helm
I think a lot of them are really bad
potent pivot
severe helm
yeah but I think rogue is prob 3rd best imo
Id put it DK->Warlock>=Rogue
also the other color ways on DK look a looot worse
potent pivot
warr and pally sets > rogue set
severe helm
this is goofy
the war set is horrible imo
absolutely no character whatsoever
shoulders with spikes again
very original
potent pivot
i don't think they go gaudy enough
restive crane
Are people still using Gladius?
potent pivot
it's world of warcraft man
severe helm
i don't think they go gaudy enough
haha guess its a matter of taste then
potent pivot
they should make crazy stuff like PoE
severe helm
eh
I hate costumes
I like armor
some people like costumes though
like in final fantasy
very very gaudy
potent pivot
Are people still using Gladius?
yes, you might have to look on curseforge for an up to date version. there's like 5 different authors/types of gladius now.
sour coral
I havenothing to worry about Ive minmaxed the mog game for me, none of the new sets have anything iw ant
you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
restive crane
The one I have installed is Gladius War Within (Max)
severe helm
most stuff in ff is insanely tame
thats def not what ive seen
potent pivot
The one I have installed is Gladius War Within (Max)
try the bicmex version
restive crane
last update was september
sour coral
FF mog game is fun but its too Modern/silly at times, when I wanna fully immerse myself and theres a naked dude in a frog hat or something it kinda ruins the cutscenes lol
severe helm
everyone in FFXIV looks like theyre going to a Masqeurade not into battle
sour coral
also the pvp in that game is weird
severe helm
players look like upper class role playing as fighters haha
potent pivot
thats def not what ive seen
idk i think they have both ends of the spectrum
they've got everything really
irl looking shit, fantasy looking shit
that seems plain, not gaudy, no?
potent pivot
also the pvp in that game is *weird*
the pvp is weird af yeah
you get like half your abilities
restive crane
Oh, I just saw there are nerfing rogues more lol
*they are
No, Veil of Midnight. I think that might be the end of the game for me.
potent pivot
No, Veil of Midnight. I think that might be the end of the game for me.
A few other talents, changes are in the pins
Kinda expecting them to make more changes before the season starts
Still got a couple months
restive crane
With no Veil of Midnight that basically means you have no Vanish
potent pivot
We mostly vanish for subterfuge or the healing anyway, in arena at least
restive crane
That is terrible
potent pivot
It’s a little added annoyance in BGs/wpvp maybe
restive crane
No vanish and we wear leather >.<
potent pivot
New feint talent as well
potent pivot
Agreed
restive crane
I dont play Alts so peace out WoW
potent pivot
I don’t think rogue is going to be bad tbh
restive crane
If you cant vanish you have no way out of fights and rogues are squishy
potent pivot
I’m probably more pissed than anyone with the changes but yeh
Why do you need a way out of fights
restive crane
To not die
potent pivot
Veil was only useful into a couple specs
restive crane
Well Im a fan of not having to die
potent pivot
Naw I think you’re overstating our reliance on the talent
restive crane
Thats what vanish was intended for
It wasnt intended as an offensive spell
Theyve made this game so goofy
potent pivot
How
restive crane
bro
potent pivot
We didn’t even have veil that long
restive crane
Yes, it used to be only a couple clases could put a phyiscal dot on you
warrior and druid
cloak of shadow and vanish was enough to keep you alive back in the day
they keep buffing all these other classes and nerfing rogues
potent pivot
In arena we’ve only been taking veil into feral and assa really
You just don’t need to vanish and run away for long periods of time these days in most cases
restive crane
Well you must be way better than I am because rogues seem hella weak and without being able to get out of fights its only going to get worse
potent pivot
Yeah I just don’t see it from that pov at all
potent pivot
Any time I vanish defensively I’m almost instantly topped and reopening
restive crane
Right now I can vanish and totally leave a fight
potent pivot
Yeah I mostly just care about arena
restive crane
Rogues are squishy because they have the ability to do that, why would you have them be squishy if they cant get out of fights?
potent pivot
We aren’t that squishy really
restive crane
well, more power to you
these changes seem terrible to me
par for the course i guess
potent pivot
they keep buffing all these other classes and nerfing rogues
While I agree with this sentiment
Lots of other classes had pvp talents removed
And like I said, we’ve still got months before the patch goes live
restive crane
A class that relies on stealth, that cant go in stealth lol
potent pivot
Again, I think you’re overstating things
But ok
@severe helm is a big blitz pusher
sour coral
In the mean time, me lol
potent pivot
How you feeling about veil Mewo
potent pivot
In the mean time, me lol
yeah ill prolly be there soon
don't care to go for the shit glad mount next season at all
want to finish leveling/the story etc
sour coral
Honestly I dig the Keystone mount which means i gotta do M+ now
restive crane
Again, I think you’re overstating things
If you have a dot on you and you vanish you get knocked out of stealth. Rogues rely on stealth. How is that over stating anything?
I mean unless you want the rogue class to be fundamentally different.
potent pivot
because we never had the ability to do so to begin with
sour coral
You are not expected to be in stealth 24/7
restive crane
Like I said, not every class used to be able to put pyhical dots on you
potent pivot
this isn't something we've had since classic
not every class can put phys dots on you now
sour coral
yes its called counterplay and not every class can do physical dots on you
restive crane
Like I said not every class used to be able to put physical dots on you
potent pivot
i don't like losing it either, but acting ilke losing veil is the end of rogues is just not true
restive crane
First cloak of shadows came for this reason
to remove spell dots so you could go in stealth
then they added veil of midnight so you could remove physical dots
potent pivot
not quite true
restive crane
bro
sour coral
and with stuff like subterfuge you still have access to your abilities for a few seconds after getting knocked out of stealth
potent pivot
veil was nerfed into what it is now
restive crane
its not about using abilities
severe helm
How you feeling about veil Mewo
you cant actually cap while veil is up
restive crane
its about not dying
severe helm
and it prevents you from using cloak if you have flag or orb
veil isconsidered almost an "immunity" by blizzard rules
sour coral
sounds like a user error tbh
restive crane
i mean if you only look at things from an arena perspective i guess it not a big
severe helm
so I dont take it a lot of the time
restive crane
*deal
severe helm
sub takes veil a lot cuz you can use it to immune blinds and stuff
potent pivot
i don't think it's big for blitz either
severe helm
tbh Im fine with it being removed cuz I dont like talents that are a hard lock and OP vs some specs but useless otherwise
restive crane
lol not dying is user error sure bud
severe helm
rogue is so immortal its not even funny
sour coral
Not expecting counterplay is user error yes.
restive crane
ya whatever that means
severe helm
dots are annoying though when leaving a fight
but tbh im not gona cloak just to remove dots cuz cloak shoudl be kept for capping on most maps
cloak cap is so so so op
severe helm
If you have a dot on you and you vanish you get knocked out of stealth. Rogues r...
sub has a shield for this
sour coral
^
severe helm
yeah Ill just grapple out usually
restive crane
no its not lol
severe helm
I mean
potent pivot
yes, it is
severe helm
it depends
restive crane
what game are you guys playing
severe helm
but in general its a waste of a cd
restive crane
yall are just trolling at this point
potent pivot
your goal is to waste the enemy teams time or kill them
restive crane
so tell me when you are in a 1v5 situation what do you do?
severe helm
I mean if youre dead otherwise then sure I will vanish
potent pivot
waste as much of their time as you can
restive crane
not pop cloak of shadow and vanish?
severe helm
depends
restive crane
lolol
restive crane
yall are so funny
severe helm
if its a team fight map like deephall then I might cloak
but saving cloak for cloak + bomb cap on crystal is very valuable
restive crane
lets be real, youre trolling
severe helm
Im genuinely not
potent pivot
yall are so funny
i mean Mewo is like 3k in blitz
restive crane
you are
severe helm
yep
potent pivot
i think you're trolling i gotta be real
idgaf about blitz but know enough to know that
severe helm
im 3100 cr like 3300ish mmr
restive crane
"hmmmm how can i make is sound like removing dots and vanishing isnt important"
severe helm
I mean im not saying it isnt important
but its not a big deal
imo
veil is more op in arena than in blitz
cuz it hard counters certain specs
potent pivot
all i've said is that it isn't the end of rogue
severe helm
Yeah rogue is one of the hardest to kill specs in the game
halcyon timber
Veil or not, other classes have things to break vanish / stealth on purpose. Like the dawnlights from paladins
sour coral
1v5 situation sounds like you're some place you shouldnt be tbh
potent pivot
and that you're overstating it's importance to a big degree
severe helm
BRO
halcyon timber
Just keep cool and adapt
severe helm
THE DAWNLIGHT
gleaming sentinel
As long as kidney shot exists rogue will have a place
severe helm
HOLY FUCK
restive crane
ya its not the end of rogue it just makes it even worse
severe helm
ya its not the end of rogue it just makes it even worse
but were one of the best specs in the game
classes*
halcyon timber
Ya its like 30 yards
potent pivot
yep
severe helm
well sub specifically but both other specs are very strong too
halcyon timber
Warlocks have stuff, mages with sunfury and spellslinger. Dks and monks with celestial and riders will as well
severe helm
the ret one is the most bullshit
it doesnt even apply a debuff
they j ust haave an aura
that pulls you out
halcyon timber
Yeah its lame but whatever
halcyon timber
Kinda like adaptive and s priest ghosts , same behavior as missles