PS hits for like 800k
#pvp
severe helm
thats what ive been doing
replace CTO with GSW and replace loaded dice with Sleight of Hand
cuz if you run SC theres no reason to run cto
vocal surge
I also would use Sleight of Hand if using Supercharger
vocal surge
Yeee
severe helm
its the build I run exclusively in blitz and run it for most matchups in shuffle
vocal surge
And you can run lower levels if not no Vigor on Trickster
severe helm
cuz you can SC before every vanish window and do big dam
severe helm
And you can run lower levels if not no Vigor on Trickster
well you always drop vigor for SC
thats how you get SC
vocal surge
Because Trickster has a better energy economy over Fatebound from what I've played
severe helm
umm
vocal surge
Yeee
severe helm
nah
trickster is worse imo cuz you have less cp gen
cuz you dont get the increased SS proc chance
severe helm
Im not convinced mg procs more on trickster
vocal surge
Just test it
severe helm
I have haha
vocal surge
Grab details and smack a training dummy
severe helm
thats why im not convinced
trickster does like 15% less ST than fatebound on the pvp dummy
its a lot
vocal surge
Yeee
The issue I have with Trickster vs Fatebound
Is Fatebound gets the Lucky Coin
severe helm
this is without lucky coin proc
vocal surge
Biggest damage amp out of the entire kit
vocal surge
Plus a flat 10% damage boost
severe helm
trickster is significantly worse haha
vocal surge
For the 1st head coin
vocal surge
Ye
severe helm
in my testing I did it such that I ignored logs where this procced
trickster just simply does less damage
vocal surge
7% Agility is huge
severe helm
yes im saying I didnt let that happen
vocal surge
I'm aware
vocal surge
Have you tried doing Double Coup?
It's only in Adrenaline Rush where you can press Coup twice before the 1st Coup window finishes
severe helm
yeah but the second one is 1 cp
or 2 depending on ruthlessness proc
considering that the coup dispatch damage is like 5% of my overall
vocal surge
And another +5 stacks of the buff
vocal surge
Did they cap it now?
vocal surge
The highest I've gone was 14
severe helm
leme test it, it was capped last time I saw
its been a while since I looked at that though
vocal surge
Each stack has individual timers
vocal surge
Its the only thing that makes you deal a ton of damage
when you pop into another stealth window right after double coupping
instead of +27% its +42%
If your target tries to disengage again after you catch up with the first coup, you reconnect again
severe helm
ill test it out
severe helm
yeah it gave me around 5% more overall dps helped a bit
didnt know of that bug good to know
vocal surge
Aye
severe helm
if they patch it then trickster is mega fucked
vocal surge
Its hard to explain it by name alone without showcasing it
vocal surge
But ye, without that bug trickster big deadge
severe helm
thats it
vocal surge
And I rather say 14 stacks than 15 because you'd normally lose your earliest stack of Flawless Form in PvP combat by the time you get Coup to occur
vocal surge
Agreed
safe pelican
Poop de grace has left the chat
severe helm
yeah one thing that sucks abouttrickster is it does even less damage to plate
all that physical just does piss
trying it out in some shuffles it doesnt do horrible damage but its definitely less than fatebound
and the loss of double hook really sucks
didnt hink it would be so noticeable haha
vocal surge
Yep
safe pelican
didnt hink it would be so noticeable haha
Yea once you get used to double hook you can’t go back
vagrant dome
15 stacks of flawless form
Gratz to the dude that drank 2 gallons of milk In chat
vocal surge
Didn't even notice that lmao
vagrant dome
Idk why I saw that first lmao
Also shoutout to cuteanimeboy the pally
Nearly as bad as “boypreggers” the assa rogue I saw on top 50 ovi logs
mystic pasture
i cna't believe i waited this long to play a rogue. Really enjoying it
candid tide
its fluid to put like f or r as hook on outlaw
and then a shift mod on that bind for focus kick : D
potent pivot
potent pivot
Nerfed kek
vocal surge
Agreed
severe helm
WHAT
THE ACTUAL
FUCK
how you gona just delete things and not replace them
outlaw will now have like 3 viable talents
also that new pvp talent is comically broken wtf
atomic loom
Rip shadowy duel
potent pivot
i mean
duel is a sub staple
sub is already in a pretty dog shit state
they just keep going
spring bough
outlaw dead
lmao
no more enduring brawler GG
take your cut too? wrecked
what should the new main be
karmic summit
They gotta give sub rogue a consistent damage in pvp
Or like %100 uptime on dance like outlaw
karmic summit
So we have some value
vocal surge
They literally just chunked
potent pivot
because dog shit people complain about rogues
vocal surge
Now Outlaw has less builds you can run
potent pivot
Or like %100 uptime on dance like outlaw
yep they removed Dust and didn't revert the nerf to Deepening Shadows
that's one of sub's biggest issues rn
potent pivot
and KIR builds
i think it's the opposite of what kir wants
vocal surge
Just 2p
karmic summit
yep they removed Dust and didn't revert the nerf to Deepening Shadows
I got you a fix
vocal surge
4p is heavily Supercharged focus
karmic summit
Hear me out its gonna be scary tho
Give garrote to sub
With iron wire
Or increase damage of rupture by %300
potent pivot
Give garrote to sub
they're trying to reduce butten bloat
sub just needs more baseline damage outside of dance
lucid citrus
I agree
potent pivot
and it'd be way better
without being forced to drop burst damage for it
because then your burst just sucks ass
severe helm
duel is a sub staple
yes thats the problem
specs designed around 1 shot windows
which is why it always bounced between S tier and F tier
karmic summit
sub just needs more baseline damage outside of dance
But thats against design of the spec
severe helm
sub just needs more baseline damage outside of dance
agreeeed
I think sub should suffer more from having bad uptime/rotation outside of their go
karmic summit
Either they give more cc to sub or baseline damage
potent pivot
they completely refuse to have big burst
if something can cc and burst for a kill
it's not allowed to exist
this isn't pvp
severe helm
I mean theres a difference between guaranteed killing 100-0 in a triple cheap
and obtaining pressure via a cross cc situation
potent pivot
this is just hand holding dog shit
severe helm
Like theres a lot of specs that need cc to kill
arguably most
but guaranteed kills if they got their cc off
big difference
karmic summit
they're trying to reduce butten bloat
Pvp talent garrote replaces rupture maybe?
I am just putting random shit tho ngl
potent pivot
sub has enough cc really
if it did as much consistent damage as the other 2 specs it'd be insane
people play outlaw even though it's damage is pretty meh
karmic summit
if it did as much consistent damage as the other 2 specs it'd be insane
I dont think they will ever give sub cons damage due to pve
Like it breaks pve
Or they buff backstab by %10000 and we get some damage
potent pivot
there's a such thing as pvp tuning abilities
steep loom
the outlaw pvp talents removal...that feels like it stole a bit of my soul lmao. like 66% of my pvp talents that i use 100% of the time in any given pvp content just gone
potent pivot
yep
potent pivot
they just keep removing shit from rogue without EVER recompensating the class
i'm starting to see why people doom
mint storm
is that circe ring any good for PvP?
steep loom
supercharger/forced induction was so nicely combined with Take your cut.....literally the only talents that have ever been introduced to actually work with fast re rolling/rtb spam on cd
potent pivot
is that circe ring any good for PvP?
nope
steep loom
so does the SoH change atleast mean its going to be a 13% chance to get a 5 roll or does that mean its going to be a 1.0112% chance for a fiver. basically +12% of current or +flat 12%?
potent pivot
so does the SoH change atleast mean its going to be a 13% chance to get a 5 roll...
you should scroll through the last hour of chat in #outlaw
it just has a chance to trigger extra buffs now
mortal lantern
No more shadowy duel in 11.1, what do we think?
flint trail
its bullshit
karmic summit
No more shadowy duel in 11.1, what do we think?
Time to go assa and do arena parses
safe pelican
What are we doing to piss the devs of this bad
mystic pasture
killing them in a shadowy duel obviously
pastel burrow
It's okay gang, they're absolutely going to divert the power shadowy duel held into the rest of the spec
safe pelican
Dust now duel lmaoooo
pastel burrow
For certain
safe pelican
Eviscerate next
pastel burrow
/s
karmic summit
The issue with complexity in pvp is the rotation of damage not cc
mortal lantern
„Encourage [] diversity“ but take away one of the most unique spells like shadowy duel
karmic summit
Removing talents and encouraging talent divercity
flint trail
„Encourage [] diversity“ but take away one of the most unique spells like shadow...
A staple of the spec honestly, it is THE talent for sub.
mortal lantern
20 seconds after??? lol
potent pivot
@outer sky @jaunty osprey
chrome schooner
shadowy duel isn't healthy for the game
even despite the sub rogue vias you should see that
vocal surge
I dont believe this goal after what they just did to Rogue
chrome schooner
if sub gets damage then the spell has almost no counterplay, and so it means sub is either ip, or gets super nerfed to the point it doesn't do anything to prevent duel abuse
mystic pasture
I dont believe this goal after what they just did to Rogue
just saying it was a good goal, not that they have reached it by any stretch
karmic summit
if sub gets damage then the spell has almost no counterplay, and so it means sub...
Yeah but atm we have neither
chrome schooner
and why is tht ? because it used to have damage, and soloed ppl in duel, so they nerfed
chrome schooner
I don't presume to know why they did how they did
karmic summit
Understandable
mortal lantern
Still duel is a unique spell even if u could only use it for defense or duel the healer for a target loss
vocal surge
could do a DFA Evis build as Sub
that does some seriously nasty damage
7s to deal an entire health bar
karmic summit
Still duel is a unique spell even if u could only use it for defense or duel the...
Tbh shade has a point duel and being able to 100-0 people would be broken
And atm meta is just do damage
mortal lantern
Just delete dfa when talking about button bloat.
karmic summit
If we get damage duel being gone might help sub
Yeah btw how the hell DFA is still a thing
potent pivot
duel being removed is "healthier for the game" the problem is they don't compensate losing utility for rogue
now the goal post will just move to "sub one shots with cheap shot spam"
mortal lantern
I wonder how fast blind and gouge will break from aoe now
chrome schooner
probably like rof
mortal lantern
Good change if the treshold works fine
karmic summit
I wonder how fast blind and gouge will break from aoe now
Remember in awc some1 died in warrior fear
Might see that again with that btw
radiant glen
gm
mortal lantern
Kidney cs cs gouge blind new meta
karmic summit
I wonder how fast blind and gouge will break from aoe now
If it survives 1 tick garrote and rupture assa might be giga
potent pivot
potent pivot
glass hazel
this one really good rest just meh
are we playing Preemptive Maneuver as 3rd talent now? 🙂
potent pivot
probably
makes pre feint really strong but it depends on match up
you have to be getting stunned or be the KT really
glass hazel
yeah dunno if it is better vs feral for example, since cloak one can remove all their dots
molten hedge
So even assa would play elusiveness now maybe?
potent pivot
yeah dunno if it is better vs feral for example, since cloak one can remove all ...
cloak will no longer do that
they're removing veil of midnight, shadowy duel, enduring brawler, take your cut
glass hazel
😢
potent pivot
So even assa would play elusiveness now maybe?
the feint pvp talent is outlaw only pretty sure
nope i'm wrong
molten hedge
It says rogue
molten hedge
Ye
glass hazel
means need to play it vs classes we used veil before
molten hedge
That’s pretty sick Assa would be tanky af
potent pivot
just depends on match up
molten hedge
Tankier * lol
potent pivot
into other rogues as well
glass hazel
yeah if you can prefeint its big
molten hedge
Where the Season 2 Merciless Glad PvP vendor?
Like I think it’s the 2nd season of wow? Idk
For horde
glass hazel
paladin talent with truesight is pain and that dh truesight not removed on hit also pain
area 52
potent pivot
Where the Season 2 Merciless Glad PvP vendor?
google it
potent pivot
should be able to find it pretty easily
glass hazel
20s way too much they probably will rework again
potent pivot
20s way too much they probably will rework again
wdym
potent pivot
oh, yeh
quaint cedar
what pvp talents am I supposed to take now? the only ones left are dogshit
quaint cedar
I hope blizzard understands that losing enduring brawler is a massive dps loss and compensates us
otherwise outlaw is dead af
glass hazel
but well at least they are trying smth new
better than pvp will stagnate with only few op classes
quaint cedar
I'd rather they not try at all if they are going to do this
severe helm
I cant tell if this means feint will be 60% dam reduction or 28%
cuz 40% on top of 20% multiplicative is 28% right?
60% would be unbelievably broken
ungodly op
potent pivot
it says additional
potent pivot
i would assume it's just +40%
quaint cedar
yeah 60% reduction in a stun....you will never die lol
guess we're a tank class now
quaint cedar
yeah class not spec my b
severe helm
I mean
potent pivot
that is really broken
potent pivot
but you have to pre feint the stun
potent pivot
maybe that's a way of rewarding good play
severe helm
but it has no cd on outlaw
quaint cedar
yeah especially with it off GCD just perma maintain feint and you are immortal lol
severe helm
outlaws cdr reduces feint cd
tropic mason
potent pivot
yeah but you aren't going to spam feint on CD
severe helm
you can though lol
potent pivot
too much wasted energy
potent pivot
pins
severe helm
now itll be 19
tropic mason
ah
severe helm
19 energy every 6 seconds
thats so insane
SO insane
just keep 100% uptime when you arent on stun dr
wet crown
losing duel seems rough.
potent pivot
it's gotta be multiplicative then
severe helm
but yeah this is broken
quaint cedar
funny how they wanted to reduce complexity but now we need to maintain perma feint all game unless you are on DR
severe helm
they have to nerf it
potent pivot
and just 28%
glass hazel
but 20 only with talent isnt it?
quaint cedar
yeah would have to be otherwise it's just broken
glass hazel
what if you pick cd
40% from what you will get?:))
i think it will be 40% when you are in stun otherwise 20
potent pivot
40% from what you will get?:))
it still reduces damage without elus
and it says additional 40%
glass hazel
gonna reread it haha
potent pivot
without elusiveness it only reduces aoe damage
severe helm
i think it will be 40% when you are in stun otherwise 20
its def not that
it says additional
glass hazel
quaint cedar
what if you don't have elusiveness what would the pvp talent do?
glass hazel
that what i'm trying to undestand
potent pivot
yes, that's AoE damage though
potent pivot
what if you don't have elusiveness what would the pvp talent do?
it would reduce AoE damage more
severe helm
it would reduce AoE damage more
yeah true
potent pivot
is my guess
glass hazel
could be yeah
quaint cedar
yeah
potent pivot
i mean elusiveness is already taken by most people now
potent pivot
since the GCD change
wintry dew
Isn't veil the also good pvp talent point?
glass hazel
😄
quaint cedar
yeah cheat death barely ever works anyways
potent pivot
Isn't veil the also good pvp talent point?
veil is removed
quaint cedar
I've been using elusiveness for a while
karmic summit
Wait the ptr changed say flag pvp multiplyer is 0.5 now
potent pivot
they've removed 4? of our pvp talents and only added 1
wintry dew
Isn't that the one that gives you physical defensive in cloak?
potent pivot
Wait the ptr changed say flag pvp multiplyer is 0.5 now
that's old
karmic summit
that's old
Scared me there for a sec
potent pivot
Isn't that the one that gives you physical defensive in cloak?
yes, removes phys debuffs as well
potent pivot
so now we can't cloak disarm/bleeds etc
quaint cedar
they just gutted our pvp talents
karmic summit
they just gutted our pvp talents
They didnt even gut them they removed them
wintry dew
They are literally burning down the class
glass hazel
actually not sure how we can survive feral burst now
quaint cedar
lol how long did veil last anyways? that talent died quickly
wintry dew
Veil removed stuff
karmic summit
This is not destroying a talent they just said fk it and removed uus
wintry dew
It was really good
quaint cedar
yeah unless we get some tuning elsewhere this is looking like ggs
we're cooked
maybe there's a chance more gets added in another build but idk
quaint cedar
Blizzard hasn't really put much thought into rogue this entire expansion. All our hero trees are bland and most of the changes we've had have just been getting stuff removed
Just didn't expect them to go after the pvp talents too
potent pivot
i half expected duel to be removed with people like venruki complaining about it
but veil/take your cut/EB being removed is just weird
marble oasis
All venruki does now is complain
quaint cedar
Yeah on the plus side for duel maybe they will finally let sub rogues do damage again
I think duel holds it back
Still sucks to lose a unique ability though
marble oasis
Yeah on the plus side for duel maybe they will finally let sub rogues do damage ...
Holy copium
😂
quaint cedar
lol true
marble oasis
Rogues can never do damage the casuals cry too much
quaint cedar
Only assa is allowed to do damage ever
marble oasis
I honestly can see assa being the go to if not much else changes
Only real thing i felt it had was weakness during stuns and now subs slightly less slippery and less isolation control who knows
quaint cedar
Well if outlaw doesn't get compensated for losing enduring brawler then it's going to be shit
and if outlaw is shit I'm just not going to play the patch
pvp is so dead rn I'm not going to bother if my spec sucks
marble oasis
Yeh i honestly wouldn’t get your hopes up.
Remember we was meant to get our hero talents looked at and well season patch tumble weed.
wintry dew
Pins
jaunty osprey
pin deez
glass hazel
We are doomed
quaint cedar
Yeh i honestly wouldn’t get your hopes up.
Remember we was meant to get our her...
yup I'm not expecting anything to change they are just going to ship it with 2/3 of my pvp talents that I pick every game to be gone and 0 compensation
marble oasis
👀
quaint cedar
blizzard didn't give a shit about rogue during TWW beta why start now lol
jaunty osprey
this one really good rest just meh
This is insane, I can finally start PVEing again
marble oasis
yup I'm not expecting anything to change they are just going to ship it with 2/3...
Good thing as rogues we always manage to stay relevant but in what form that looks like who knows.
If you’re single specing pretty much doomed if your spec sucks
Unlike a hybrid class
quaint cedar
Yeah that's always been a problem for me. I only play outlaw so some patches I just have to deal with my spec being awful and it sucks
quaint cedar
As long as 1 out of the 3 specs is playable blizzard won't bother buffing the other 2 usually
marble oasis
Yeh while i’ll happily bounce atleast between assa and sub and 9/10 that’s fine and one if borderline broken
severe helm
every single meta rogue is viable
jaunty osprey
New feint talent insane
severe helm
new feint is comically op
it cant go through like that if it actually means 60% dr
thats just a joke whoever thought that would be okay
jaunty osprey
52% DR while stunned
severe helm
frankly kind of embarassing
quaint cedar
We're becoming less and less meta over time
jaunty osprey
just pressing feint
quaint cedar
While retaining the same level of difficulty
severe helm
We're becoming less and less meta over time
not really though
quaint cedar
kinda makes you wonder why you would even bother
potent pivot
i'm just tired of seeing things get removed from rogue while they barely add anything
severe helm
how are we less meta
severe helm
i'm just tired of seeing things get removed from rogue while they barely add any...
yeah this is annoying
potent pivot
like fully sick of it
severe helm
I just want good playstyle
jaunty osprey
and then with evasion up 71.2% DR
severe helm
I hate pruning
potent pivot
idgaf about pruning buttons really, but removing and nerfing our toolkit non stop is getting cringe
marble oasis
new feint is comically op
So hear me out is it op though.
If you pre something sure but it’s not like you can use it reactively like other defensives in stuns can
So the reward should be there
potent pivot
it's not that difficult to pre feint a stun
severe helm
So hear me out is it op though.
If you pre something sure but it’s not like you ...
yes its insanely op
potent pivot
realistically
quaint cedar
I mean just compared to SL we lost
7 sec kidney (now 5 and longer CD)
4 sec gouge (now 3 and longer CD)
8 sec sap (now 6)
8 sec blind (now 6)
MFD
shadowy duel
shadowdust
dreadblades
sepsis? (I think that's gone?)
probably a ton of other shit I'm forgetting too
severe helm
it costs 18 energy
jaunty osprey
So easy to track ur diminishing returns
jaunty osprey
and prefeint
severe helm
you can just have perma feint for the entire time youre off stun dr
and be a god
literally immortal
potent pivot
well
jaunty osprey
Feint CD is 15 right?
potent pivot
ye
marble oasis
2charge 15 refresh
jaunty osprey
man, so much better than veil
marble oasis
Veil will sting a bit
glass hazel
if it will be 28% dr not really
quaint cedar
Yeah but you're assuming it won't get nerfed
jaunty osprey
and it’s still early - first patch notes
quaint cedar
Which it 100% will
jaunty osprey
just wait till raid testing
marble oasis
Other assa rogue DM combo will be pain
marble oasis
Ferals oof
severe helm
15s reduced by cdr as outlaw hahaha
potent pivot
man, so much better than veil
if it's only adding 40% of the original 20%, it's not that crazy
jaunty osprey
it’s multiplicative
severe helm
So 28%
severe helm
Nah I don't think it's that
severe helm
It's either 40% more of 20 or it's 40% additional to 20
jaunty osprey
That’s how all DRs work
severe helm
That’s how all DRs work
Between abilities
Other talents that "increase damage reduction
Don't work that way
Like warlock wall
Or shaman wall talent
They're all additive
Literally adds 10%
quaint cedar
Outlaw still has damage reduction debuff from pistol too right? We're just going full tank spec I guess
severe helm
Outlaw still has damage reduction debuff from pistol too right? We're just going...
That's nerfed in pvp
It's 2.5% I think
So not really much
quaint cedar
Ah
severe helm
Look at warlock talent
I'm talking about a talent that increases the Dr of an ability
Sec I'm walking back to my house I'll link it in a minute
glass hazel
this one is reduce, on blue post it is decreases
severe helm
Just hold on haha
glass hazel
not sure :x
marble oasis
it’s still multiplicative
Brother just because one talent is doesn’t mean all are
jaunty osprey
u dont NEED elusive to run that pvp talent
quaint cedar
If the damage reduction really adds up to 60% then rogue vs rogue is going to be such aids
jaunty osprey
so that 20 is irrelevant
potent pivot
So they’re removing shadowy duel and veil?
Pins and yes
jaunty osprey
it’s not additive
potent pivot
so that 20 is irrelevant
Idk I get what Mewo is saying
marble oasis
I’m more interested in what this gouge/blind damage threshold will be
jaunty osprey
ya but elusiveness isnt required for it
marble oasis
Will it be like old fear where dots don’t count and only direct damage counts
jaunty osprey
by default it has to be multiplicative
acoustic junco
I don't enjoy that outlaw pvp talents were just gutted
potent pivot
Well we’ll see for sure once PTR is up
marble oasis
Additive defensives make you unkillable
Multiplicative defensives are diminish the more you stack them
jaunty osprey
I’m more interested in what this gouge/blind damage threshold will be
Ya I wonder too
gonna be so good if it doesnt insta break to dots
and can use as pseudo stun
glass hazel
yeah that one good as well
glass hazel
since now gouge just meh 1s stop
severe helm
@jaunty osprey
this makes warlock wall literally increase by 15%
not multiplicative
severe helm
additional
severe helm
marble oasis
since now gouge just meh 1s stop
Just think full garrote rupture deathmark garrote combo into blind and there is nothing they can do
severe helm
yes
potent pivot
The feint thing says additional
marble oasis
That’s what dreams are made of right there
severe helm
im telling you
severe helm
haha
jaunty osprey
I ADMIT IT
glass hazel
Just think full garrote rupture deathmark garrote combo into blind and there is ...
blind removes everything lol
severe helm
caught him
jaunty osprey
EVERYONE REROLL ROGUE
potent pivot
caught him
safe pelican
EVERYONE REROLL ROGUE
Delete
severe helm
I wouldnt be surprised if they mean it increases the DR amount by 40% which means 20%->28%
that would be more realistic
severe helm
LOL
safe pelican
Watch it change to aoe only
Lmao that’s why i wasn’t excited
severe helm
that would be so pointless
safe pelican
I was thinking it was aoe
marble oasis
blind removes everything lol
FINE!
Blind into 90degree garrote rupture dm application like the old days 😂
safe pelican
Straight dmg will be broken af
potent pivot
I wouldnt be surprised if they mean it increases the DR amount by 40% which mean...
That’s what I expect from it but idk
jaunty osprey
blind removes everything lol
Lowkey good for healer swaps
blind and get dots up
before it ends
then kidney
glass hazel
depends on how fast it will get removed
jaunty osprey
yeah
potent pivot
Rupture to the side is back
glass hazel
if like 1 tick from garrote
potent pivot
Why did we used to rupture to the side I forget
potent pivot
Some type of cc didn’t break
jaunty osprey
If u sap someone
potent pivot
If you didn’t auto
marble oasis
It was getting dots up on a sap i believe
severe helm
That’s what I expect from it but idk
Yeah I think it's more reasonable to assume they worded it poorly than to think that they are so insane they would give us 60% Dr on a 15s cd
marble oasis
I know we used to do it but can’t remember why anymore
jaunty osprey
ya it was if u had cps and someone was sapped u open with rupture with side angle
So it doesnt break
potent pivot
Yeah I think it's more reasonable to assume they worded it poorly than to think ...
It’d definitely be welcome on assa but really people would just stop trying to stun you during the kill window. Just cc your healer and beam you down
marble oasis
It’d definitely be welcome on assa but really people would just stop trying to s...
I’m game for that.
Least you can try counter play as opposed to.
Oops i’m stunned gg
potent pivot
If you don’t have anything to counterplay it’s gg either way
I feel like half the time we die it’s just because we have nothing to press and healer is CC’d
marble oasis
Yeh but that point always comes way after as opposed to just getting caught short early on
Yeh that’s true
jaunty osprey
honestly
im all for not getting stunned anymore as rogue
fuck all of these micro piss cc
jaunty osprey
ya
potent pivot
But I agree ye
jaunty osprey
but if they dont stun at end of games
meld/vanish etc
gonna gain so much value
because i have died so many times
with 0 trinket in a stun
but meld and van
still up
@potent pivot https://www.twitch.tv/meepmonkmw/clip/TenaciousInquisitiveCroquettePoooound-6Ss_TVEncM69-dVK
we wouldnt die here with new feint talent :^)
nvm hoj ended RIGHT before they even did anything to him
stoic spruce
Get absoooolutely fucked
potent pivot
Get absoooolutely fucked
jaunty osprey
ngl
marble oasis
Don’t get the whole spec bashing when the whole class is getting dogged lol
candid tide
Get absoooolutely fucked
Noway wtf
jaunty osprey
Don’t get the whole spec bashing when the whole class is getting dogged lol
spec envy
class envy
outlaw players are most chill
assa players hate sub
sub players hate everyone
candid tide
Lol
marble oasis
outlaw players are most chill
*peers are #outlaw *
stoic spruce
Even sub players hate sub
candid tide
Sub players had it rough bak then
scarlet shell
Get absoooolutely fucked
this spec's public execution
candid tide
Noway did they really remove shadowy duel…
scarlet shell
shadowy duels was everything oh well back to assa
candid tide
Omg..
brave fern
marble oasis
I can’t wait for sub to start one shotting people again with it’s cc getting gimped 😅
radiant glen
im not gonna pretend duel was healthy for the game but i would've liked to see something like "u can trinket out of duel" as a change before it got outright removed....
stoic spruce
Oh no I can't phase my opponent away from healers and their teammates so they're literally immune to everything while I, a Sub rogue, have a 100:1 advantage :(((
Way overdue
jaunty osprey
im not gonna pretend duel was healthy for the game but i would've liked to see s...
i agree
and i play sub
whenever it's meta
u had a lot of early success this szn with duels
stoic spruce
Show me how im disrupting
marble oasis
Existing
radiant glen
dw theres nobody at 1200cr to take him seriously here rn its fine
potent pivot
"blatant trolling"
scarlet shell
shadowy duels removal was bound to happen to be fair
marble oasis
Says the bluey
I can’t control the name colour shrug
scarlet shell
its pretty toxic based on what it does
stoic spruce
First of all is it trolling if I'm 100% serious and also other people agree with it?
radiant glen
what do we think about the other non-rogue changes
they're all pretty awful imo
potent pivot
what do we think about the other non-rogue changes
did you see the pally true sight shit LMAO
scarlet shell
oh damn no more enduring brawler
stoic spruce
did you see the pally true sight shit LMAO
They did not
stoic spruce
Fokin where
potent pivot
First of all is it trolling if I'm 100% serious and also other people agree with...
"or enflame existing situations"
halcyon timber
20s after DS ends they have shadowsight too
potent pivot
basically give it a rest or take an involuntary break mmk
jaunty osprey
New Talent: Unbound Freedom – Blessing of Freedom increases movement speed by 30%, and you gain Blessing of Freedom when cast on a friendly target. Choice node with Echoing Blessings.
this for hpals
is insane
we're gonna get more freedoms now
when they freedom themselves
in shuffles
:)))
stoic spruce
If you need a power fix I'll do it for you <3
radiant glen
spellbop on hpala, alter time now affected by damp, inc tier sets idk
radiant glen
it feels like most changes are aimed at removing any skill expression
even disc priest got changes to make atonement application even easier than before
stoic spruce
I think it's funny how they're moving outlaw to rtb spam
candid tide
I press rtb every cd
stoic spruce
Sure but maybe you'll end up doing that in pve too
candid tide
Its not good right
candid tide
Dont u want to keep good buffs till their duration ends
jaunty osprey
can be extended if u KIR :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
candid tide
Ahh right this r1 build doesnt run that
jaunty osprey
Havoc
New PvP Talent: Illidan’s Grasp – You strangle the target with demonic magic, stunning them in place and dealing Shadow damage over 5 seconds while the target is grasped. Can move while channeling. Use Illidan’s Grasp again to toss the target to a location within 20 yards. Replaces Fel Eruption.
this is toxic
radiant glen
thats the tank talent ye
kinda weird
dont think anyones gonna play it replacing fel erup tbh
jaunty osprey
imagine in bgb
radiant glen
ngl i forgot bgb was a thing mb
jaunty osprey
a lot of these changes gonna be with bgb in mind as well now
remember that
not just for arena
outer sky
Is the new pvp talent additive or multiplicative? So like with elusiveness does that make the damage reduction 60% or 28%?
potent pivot
i'm assuming 28% but we really won't know for sure til ptr
it reads like 60
but there's just no shot
outer sky
This is all for S2 right?
potent pivot
ye
jaunty osprey
MONK
Absolute Serenity (PvP Talent) has been updated – Now prevents all crowd control (was incapacitate, disorient, snare, and root effects).
there are way too many CC immunes in this game
for kidney to be a 30s cd
outer sky
That needed to happen thouhh
That only applies while they're channeling their hero talent
jaunty osprey
they should make assa kidney 20, but keep sub and outlaw at 30
radiant glen
for kidney to be a 30s cd
Kidney shot cooldown reduced to 18 seconds. Now breaks on damage threshold.
gg
jaunty osprey
Kidney shot cooldown reduced to 18 seconds. Now breaks on damage threshold.
ima find the closest bridge
in-game
radiant glen
"do u act like this in school" LMFAO
jaunty osprey
LOL
severe helm
MONK
Absolute Serenity (PvP Talent) has been updated – Now prevents all crowd co...
LOOOOOOL booooooo
So dumb
severe helm
Havoc
New PvP Talent: Illidan’s Grasp – You strangle the target with demonic mag...
This is just the tank talent
It is indeed toxic
jaunty osprey
This is just the tank talent
yeah gonna be so insane on bgb
idle root
this is huge innit
jaunty osprey
POTENTIALLY
idle root
jaunty osprey
INHALE THAT COPIUM
outer sky
It's a shorter CD but I do think it should have some CC protection
severe helm
Feint is already an op defensive honestly
radiant glen
its ok guys 2 charges of smoke bomb inc
jaunty osprey
honestly, sprint needs 2 charges
severe helm
Maybe we might see it in more than 2 comps lol
outer sky
honestly, sprint needs 2 charges
Sprint needs to break roots
radiant glen
they took 1 dance
they took sprint freedom
they took phys cloak
they took double bomb
they took duel
its over..........
candid tide
Took preparation
jaunty osprey
they're gonna remove stealth next
candid tide
Took garrote
radiant glen
Took preparation
dw they gave us prep back in a small dose w shadowdust then removed it a 2nd time xddd
candid tide
Ye anything thats similar to prep will get removed eventually
halcyon timber
Makes sense
quaint cedar
Sucks having to lose something nearly every patch
While barely ever getting anything new
jaunty osprey
that's their intention
quaint cedar
Also not even just rogue stuff. The entire change list sucks imo. I really don't like the direction pvp is going in
jaunty osprey
PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER
Developers’ notes: We’re making updates to PvP talents focused on removing, replacing, and modernizing our designs to encourage talent diversity, save keybinds and reduce complexity, and carve new gameplay space.
quaint cedar
They're taking away all the skill from the game
quaint cedar
That's not going to do shit
jaunty osprey
there arent any new players in wow
quaint cedar
They're never going to get any new players
Just focus on keeping the few that are still left
severe helm
I mean lower barrier to entry is desperately needed for pvp
radiant glen
plunderstorm was success so we make arena like 3v3 plunderstorm and big money
severe helm
Tbh
All they need to do now is remove the 3rd DR
Pls pls pls
Pls remove 3rd dr
It's so so so toxic
gleaming sentinel
Outlaw gonna be fine
quaint cedar
Honestly a lot of this stuff is less accessible. Think about it. Now you have to know that rdruids are immune to CC during tree form, or make a WA to track rogue's feint buff to decide whether you can stun them or not
How does that shit help new players?
quaint cedar
Outlaw gonna be fine
How much of a dps loss is enduring brawler?
jaunty osprey
All they need to do now is remove the 3rd DR
remove 3rd DR and make first cc 100%, 2nd DR 33%
: D
stoic spruce
How much of a dps loss is enduring brawler?
Yes
severe helm
Whats EB
stoic spruce
Brawler
severe helm
Naaaah
stoic spruce
I bet 2 gold dubloons
Speaking of dubloons, I bought Kraken Spiced Rum this morning
To get into the pirate spirit
quaint cedar
I would love that. I always thought it was awkward having the proc chance be different in pve vs pvp
Buuut I seriously doubt they will
stoic spruce
They've done wilder stuff
gleaming sentinel
Tier set is heat xmog for outlaw too
quaint cedar
They seem to hate the idea of outlaw not being an RNG shitfest all the time
fading blade
Rogue dead gg
spring bough
Only reason I’m gonna play season two is the set looks dope
Do I have to play as sin now tho 😭
stoic spruce
We still got the actual talent changes coming too
spring bough
We better have some good stuff
potent pivot
Rogue dead gg
People say this every patch and somehow it never happens 
@jaunty osprey new ce mount is insane, maybe we get a recolor of it for glad
outer sky
How is rogue dead
potent pivot
Lots of shit removed = people say rogue is dead
spring bough
Outlaw stripped of its two BIS PvP talents lmaoooo
outer sky
They removed brawler, duel, physical cloak, that kills the spec?
spring bough
Wtb some more damage
stoic spruce
They removed brawler, duel, physical cloak, that kills the spec?
Outlaw only real rogue spec confirmed
spring bough
New PvP set is pirate mog. Maybe we get more pirate stuff for outlaw
jaunty osprey
<@113813700237852677> new ce mount is insane, maybe we get a recolor of it for g...
man, i want a gallywix mount
stoic spruce
I doubt it. Realz had an L take about that
idle coyote
why sub only uses 2 tier set pieces?
outer sky
Honestly I'm kind of glad duel is gone. As a rogue and monk main, it's really annoying "doing the right thing" by holding trinket for smoke bomb just to then be killed in a duel on the next DR. And if I hold my trinket for duel, I get killed in a bomb on the next DR lol
candid tide
Mastery >
potent pivot
why sub only uses 2 tier set pieces?
you can use 4set if you want, doesn't matter much at all but it boils down to secondary stats vs tier set bonus
tier set bonuses are nerfed by 50% in pvp
outer sky
Remember the golden age when sub was an exception to that
idle coyote
I see, ty
spring bough
I don’t know how I feel about these shared set bonuses
Feels like they gave up on creativity lol
outer sky
Whats the deal with this divine shield thing
Seems pretty uninpactful
Is it an RBG focused change?
outer sky
It does kind of seem a bit like blizzard is trying to purpose build them into the "counter class" to rogues and druids
Which is a weird design philosophy tbh
glass hazel
also most brain dead
stoic spruce
Actually wild how you can press buttons in any order and things still die
outer sky
As ret?
stoic spruce
I made it becausw I wanted all 3 plate classea
spring bough
2H enhance shaman back
potent pivot
2H enhance shaman back
pretty sure that's just for leveling
spring bough
Will probably be fun to twink 😂
potent pivot
Pally is the only class I've never even made
might wanna change that soon 
long shore
Kidney shot cooldown reduced to 18 seconds. Now breaks on damage threshold.
@stoic spruce this real or fake news ?
stoic spruce
He was cooking
long shore
Oh ok, I was like damn. No way that is real
stoic spruce
Yeah that'd be awful
I'm not even going to give it the time of day to imagine the scenarios that would screw me over
outer sky
Holy crap they got SUPER lazy with the set bonuses
last jasper
For s2?
last jasper
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