pvp

[jaunty osprey]

whaaz isnt real

[severe helm]

I go back and forth between vigor and supercharger with gsw

Depend how much uptime I think I'll get

Vigor with cto is more overall damage

Gsw with SC build is better burst

[safe pelican]

Only the real pirates play super

I should try vigor once but idk I’ve gotten used to improvising when energy starved now in shuffle i would see vigor being more viable

[potent pivot]

i wish whaazz logged out with this

@jaunty osprey

[jaunty osprey]

THAT'S SOME JSNLOL SHIT

[glass hazel]

new meta

imagine all top10 rogues will do it

[severe helm]

you would do negative damage

lol

its the "level 70" build

haha

[potent pivot]

level 70 has all capstones, just not hero talents

[severe helm]

true this is like level 60

[potent pivot]

this is the level 60 wannabe build

lmao

[jaunty osprey]

man

this doto rogue guy is queuing rn

i dont wanna queue T_T

god fucking bless, his lobby only 5 people loaded and it disbanded

i hope he sits a 4 hr queue till he has to go sleep

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

:)

[glass hazel]

so cruel haha

[mystic pasture]

hemotoxin + wound? or one of either?

assassination

[potent pivot]

both

[glass hazel]

both yeah try to hit multiple target with shiv as well 🙂

[potent pivot]

apparently there's a lil 1v1 tourney going on rn

[jaunty osprey]

where

!!

[potent pivot]

https://www.twitch.tv/ezgamel

kalvish and some others are participating

weedtyler too i think

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/meepmonkmw

assa rogue tryna pass me

in meep's lobby

[potent pivot]

go win the tourney

$500 for 1st place

and $500 bounty for beating weedtyler

[jaunty osprey]

i tune in after

last round for meep

[potent pivot]

they're bout to start

might be too late to join it idk

[jaunty osprey]

nah wont participate

but i'll watch

will be fun

[potent pivot]

fun to watch ig ye

kalv is playing fmage

frost

[jaunty osprey]

BAHAHA im 1-4 again

[potent pivot]

Gonna put a gold bounty on the #1 spot

[severe helm]

wonder whos gona win

(prob sub rogue as usual)

lol

[jaunty osprey]

enhancement shaman can be good at 1v1s

if there are any

in there

let me tune in now

[severe helm]

Yeah ret paladin is prob the only other spec id see winning it

spriest is normally good but spriest sucks rn

[jaunty osprey]

yooo

https://i.imgur.com/Zw2WWDl.png

the rogue might be being boosted

he was 1800 hard stuck with 250 games played

and then he just hid his check-pvp

his 2v2 w/l

LOL

[potent pivot]

he's probably getting piloted

not many people could do that pilot either

kinda scuffed to even do it

[jaunty osprey]

ya, oh well

donated this back to me

this round is over for max

[potent pivot]

it's kinda weird to be getting a r1 pilot this far from season end tho tbh

doesn't make sense really

[jaunty osprey]

yeah might not be a pilot but kinda suss cause

once meep called it on on stream he hid his check-pvp (now unhidden) but hid achievements

[potent pivot]

yeah idk seems very sus

[jaunty osprey]

https://seramate.com/us/Undermine/Doto
https://seramate.com/us/Proudmoore/Asakara

but these are the same guy

so not as suss as it seems

[potent pivot]

oh then yeah it's w/e

[jaunty osprey]

just weird that he's that negative in 2s, and was hard stuck 1800 in shuf for 250 rounds

[stoic spruce]

It's probably a good thing I don't heal because I would absolutely be biased against people with bad mogs.

[jaunty osprey]

and then went up 900 rating with 70% w/l randomly

yoooo i need to see some good mog inspos

[potent pivot]

maybe something finally clicked for em, who knows

[jaunty osprey]

lfg rogue matchup

in 1v1 tourney

LMAOOO

WEED TYLER

FUCKED

JK

yeah ASSA #1

LFGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[safe pelican]

Peak content @potent pivot

The 1v1 tourney

[severe helm]

I feel like assa will 10000% lose to sub

like theres no way right

[jaunty osprey]

no way

sub just holds cloak

[severe helm]

sub has so much self healing

and yeah

cloak for deathmark

how do you win

[jaunty osprey]

and vanish has big shield

[severe helm]

yep

sub wins this

[jaunty osprey]

and disarm

cause u dont need duel

[severe helm]

Only thing that can beat sub is prob ret

and even then I think sub can stall it out

[jaunty osprey]

yeah sub can stall out

[potent pivot]

kalvish mage

wins all

[jaunty osprey]

kalv wins all

though

blink stun vs rogue

shimmer vs everyone else

[severe helm]

idk blink stun is good but if you just dont stun as the rogue you can win

[jaunty osprey]

pre alter in 1v1s is crazy too

cause no purges

[severe helm]

yeah alter is so strong

its essentially a 10s immunity

[jaunty osprey]

if he gets pre alter u literally have to blow vanish

[severe helm]

and it has SUCH a short cd

yeah mage or sub could be it

feral playing convoke lol

[potent pivot]

i think kalv is saying he's more worried about assa than sub

[severe helm]

as a mage I can see that ig

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

[severe helm]

wow sub won again craaaaazy

[jaunty osprey]

assa shits on mage

but

i dont think there's a good assa

in this tourney

since no drake or dzd

assa can just gas pedal mage hard on open and then deathmark cloak right after block

[severe helm]

if mage is dwarf

they win

fr fr

I think frost can win it though tbh, two blocks is a lot to get through

I think assa can easily run out of steps

and just lose

[jaunty osprey]

on opener he can force a lot

esp if he plays dfa

and just gas pedal

as long as he can force block before cloak

[severe helm]

yeah thats the challenge

[jaunty osprey]

and then right after block he has to go with deathmark and cloak

but yeah dwarf instawins

[potent pivot]

i think kalvs orc

[severe helm]

unfort

prob close then

[potent pivot]

i think this current mage is nicktherogue

facing quapy feral

[severe helm]

rip

yeah it was

[potent pivot]

it's best of 3 tho i think

[jaunty osprey]

is this quarter finals

or semis

[severe helm]

idk

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot THE ROGUE

back on meep's stream

@severe helm frost mages

are just following the same script

i swear

LOL

same globals every time

[safe pelican]

Yea so boring to watch

I feel like more assa rogues need to main sub to fight it lol but what do I know

Quapy went crazy

[jaunty osprey]

rogue v war hmm

surely war just dies

[glass hazel]

he will need to kite him probably 🙂

mm did he kill him already? 😄

rogue will win again

hopefully we will not get nerfed lol

😄

war won?

[potent pivot]

no

[glass hazel]

i mean he can just dot him and kite around pillar

he will die

its not paladin 😄

rogue vs paladin 1 on 1 no chance sadly

[jaunty osprey]

in arena map

rogue can win

because there is LOS

[potent pivot]

yeah i think you'd be surprised

rogue just kinda kills anything in 1v1s

[glass hazel]

war vs mage now, war doesnt have a chance

[potent pivot]

there's also zero shot anything would get nerfed

based on a silly community run 1v1 tourney

[glass hazel]

ah wait or is it vs warlock

hope so, sometimes blizz moves lack logic

mage no chance as well 🙂 lock will not let him to burst

and he will rot from dot

cant eat as well since pet is demon

[potent pivot]

it's kalvish

so again you might be surprised

[jaunty osprey]

this is interesting

double caster kinda

funny

[glass hazel]

oh he eat via invis nice

[jaunty osprey]

whoever has more haste

xdxd

[glass hazel]

yeah mage so op

in this unfair fight

[jaunty osprey]

cant get any snowdrifts

at all

was a good spellsteal on reflect to get his coil tho

[safe pelican]

I think lock wins this if kalv comes back he’s a beast

[potent pivot]

kalv 100% deserves the win

dunno if he'll get it though

[jaunty osprey]

just impossible

[potent pivot]

nah it's over

[jaunty osprey]

is kalv allowed to eat?

[potent pivot]

ye

[glass hazel]

he did once i think

[safe pelican]

Yea didn’t really have time to eat though

[potent pivot]

the only thing they can't do is sit stealth after the opener

[safe pelican]

Said he was running one point in ice block healing idk 2 points will = a win though

[jaunty osprey]

wait

forgot i should be watching kalv pov

i think in his DBs, he needs to ring of frost

instead of going for snowdrift from DB

that way, he can land drifts

ring of frost snowdrift -> break from damage -> db

[potent pivot]

Kalv shoulda played rogue ngl

[jaunty osprey]

-> stun

[safe pelican]

Yea think he just wanted Yo test his mage skills or switch it up

[jaunty osprey]

oh he did the combo

i said

nice

he can win this

[safe pelican]

Lock wins again

[jaunty osprey]

yeah i lied

lock wins

wither build

[safe pelican]

They’re just too strong lol

[jaunty osprey]

too strong

legit just wither kills

[potent pivot]

He was trying to db ring in the first match too

He missed ring twice

[jaunty osprey]

omfg

KLAV

KALV

HOLY SHITTTTTTT

LOOOOOOL

INSANE

[safe pelican]

Oh wow

Bro lock had healthstone still though

wtf

He saying he out damaged the health stone no way lock didn’t use it imo i was watching his health but either way nice win by Kalv

[jaunty osprey]

kalv didnt let lock breathe

when he ported

was so good

[safe pelican]

Yea he was on demon time can tell he was titled haha XD

[jaunty osprey]

Ya idk

kalv just wins

now

[safe pelican]

Lmao i had to ride with the lock cause ofc kalv is the projected winner

That was good

[jaunty osprey]

Im glad these are close

[safe pelican]

Lmao
People forgot how terrible it is for two sub rogues to duel

Someone just has to say fuck it I’ll die 😂

[jaunty osprey]

go kalv go

[glass hazel]

lol

he almost killed him on opener that insane

[safe pelican]

Vanish after Kalv trinkets the opening full kidney ?

[glass hazel]

also dfa didnt work well he just killed him in animation

[safe pelican]

Or cloak and tunnel dmg

[safe pelican]

Yea he timed dfa wrong i think don’t use it myself but he def got hit by that

[jaunty osprey]

ya over for this rogue

ooo

rip

no more dances

[potent pivot]

the piss regrowth spam is so annoying

lmao

[safe pelican]

Quapy the Regrowth Legend 🤣

[jaunty osprey]

feral druid is just a better rogue

in every way

[severe helm]

I thought the rogue beat the feral

feral might be a better assa

but its not better than sub

lol

[potent pivot]

maybe not in a blitz

[inner tartan]

i like feral and outlaw for bgs and any were i can cleave sin is good sometimes aswell one of these day i got to learn sub i just dont like the feel last time i tried

[potent pivot]

in almost any other circumstance it's better than sub imo

[inner tartan]

they hit sooo hard it anouing

anoying

[severe helm]

sub is the best spec in the game on every map except deephall ravine

in blitz

[inner tartan]

subjective i think but i dont play blitz much i also dont play above 2000 or even 1800 most time comps are less creative higher ( atlest in 2s always same comp ) '

[severe helm]

Yeah at high rating sub just has more impact than anything else

it can take bases super easily on every node map and can kill almost every spec in the game in a stunlock if htey dont have a trinket

[inner tartan]

their kill control is kinda depended on ( how bad enemy healer is ) or shadowduel cloak low key outside of that the one i get are kinda just stun bots

i like sin better for that tbh

smoke bomb not cloak

do blitz ques pop faster then solo when i try they dont realy pop but my patenice is like super low i hate doing dps solo shuffle cuz of the ques

[severe helm]

no theyre super long

[severe helm]

yeah theres only one team fight map in the entire game though

which is deephall

so on every other map you can just play for the smaller skirmishes

and subs burst is better than any other spec in the game by a huge margin

[inner tartan]

is outlaw good in that one i love big fights i get to do big damage

i swear what happened last time i played ( s3 of df ) outlaw wasnt stuned and cced so much in 2s and 3s now i get cced more on my rogue then i do on my healers whyyyyy

[indigo hill]

Outlaw needs up time. The more you do, the lower your cool downs. Which others don't want ofc, so stunning you kills your up time.

[inner tartan]

yes but that always been the case we allways were a higher up time needed cleave machine why thou all of a s uddenn are we so much more of a cc target i think we were stronger s3 of df and i was not stunned and cced any were close to this

[azure shoal]

For arena is a must to have macros like shadowstep and kick?

[potent pivot]

Not really, it varies from person to person

Personal preference etc

[indigo hill]

It's possible they just stun whatever and have no sensible reason. Might be a hatred for rogues. 😁

[azure shoal]

Right now best opener is to start with cheapshot or with strike kidney

[potent pivot]

openers can be situational

[glass hazel]

sub?

[potent pivot]

won't make a big difference either way, but strike->kidney gives them a second to react

[azure shoal]

Ye thats true, but maybe can bait a defensive?

I need starter tips hehe

[glass hazel]

strike kidney sounds not right 🙂 why wasting kidney when you can cheapshot

[inner tartan]

true some they dont but i could be im unlucky it could be im doing something dum and throwing a cc target on me and i also tbh dont play alot but at 1800 cr my rogue feels like it gets cced more then when i play mw

[azure shoal]

Even with premed can be cheap shot > flag

Sorry wildray im new on wow pvp

[glass hazel]

same with me 😄 i started this season as well

[azure shoal]

Oh hahaha

I supossed that when enemy has cc removal go cheapshot if not go hard opening with kidney

[glass hazel]

if you can use cheapshot use cheapshot since it has no cd

do you play with subterfuge?

or better what spec i'm kinda lost 😄

outlaw or sub?

if sub you can spam cheapshot via dance

[azure shoal]

Im playing sub

[glass hazel]

need advice from our r1 ivanrah, he plays sub as well

i can help only with assa 🙂

[potent pivot]

check out Nahj on twitch/youtube

[azure shoal]

I will thx

[glass hazel]

also if you are new to rogue, i suggest assa as well

easy to play and do good dps, except maybe blitz ;x rbg as assa kinda suck

since assa extremely slow

[potent pivot]

it's quite good in blitz

[glass hazel]

damage wise yes

but mobility so poor 😦 like 4 hooks outlaw

[potent pivot]

you don't really need insane mobility like that for blitz

even outlaw's hooks are only really good on a few maps afaik

[glass hazel]

for example you need to steal flag on gilneas when you will stealth to not be noticed

[potent pivot]

rogue class as a whole is the best class for blitz

[glass hazel]

somewhere midway right? before hill

[potent pivot]

any rogue spec has more power to control the outcome of blitz than almost any other class

[glass hazel]

i'm low exp with blitz still need to learn a lot 🙂 but it is fun to play as rogue can stay defense or go offense ;x not like hunter who are forced to def 24\7

so boring haha

all the games i played with hunters they always guard smth

[azure shoal]

Im still leveling

Im level 75 and i cant use assa because i do not have 2 daggers hahaha

But i want to start playing it so i can learn it

[severe helm]

outlaw is kind of a weird spec in blitz

its aoe is very small

so it doesnt do much damage in team fight tbh

it has value cuz of stuns and decent ish burst

but you should never be on top of the meters unless your team is super bad

[indigo hill]

Outlaw is the shit for blitz. Wsg on horde is great. You can grapple up the graveyard and straight into your Base.

[severe helm]

Yeha it can do some stuff with grapple for sure

its the worst of the 3 rogue specs though

maybe close with assa but assa is so insanely op in team fights its hard to compete with that

[indigo hill]

You can easily prevent people from capping in eots right at the start.

[severe helm]

Yeah it has some maps where it heavily sways the game

eots, gilneas, ab

but in both gilneas and ab good teams can do a lot to prevent that

war leap/rop/hunter volley/treants

all of those will go into bomb

[indigo hill]

Don't forget mines. You're on the cart before anyone else.

[severe helm]

yeah that doesnt matter that much though

outlaw is def worse than sub or assa on silvershard

assas aoe silence automatically wins team fight for you in lava

and sub obv is SSSS tier in off carts

cuz sub rogue

[indigo hill]

I never go for lava or team fight. I take the other objectives. Either middle or top depending on which side I start.

[severe helm]

Yeah

sub is better at that is what im saying haha

outlaw isnt bad

its just not the best of the 3

and arguably the worst of the 3

but rogue is just strong overall in blitz for obvious reasons

as long as you have sap, blind, and kidney rogue is good

I think temple is outlaws best map tbh

[indigo hill]

I'm also biased AF when it comes to outlaw. 😁

[vocal surge]

Battle for Gilneas :3

[azure shoal]

Do you guys use weakauras for rogue?

[candid tide]

a bunch

[potent pivot]

a few people use WA packs, most people don't

i'd recommend at least using a couple for certain things, but not a big pack

having some WAs that go off when enemies use CDs can also be helpful, but that's something i'd worry about later on

hit level 80 and start gearing up first

[azure shoal]

Okaaay

Can shadowmeld be macroed?
Like when in combat use shadowmeld if not go stealth

Too many questions sorry but i have so many doubts

[potent pivot]

yeah

it can be macro'd that way

i just put it on a separate bind though

macro'd to put me in stealth too

when you meld during combat, your goal is to get into actual stealth too

/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```

that's what i use, then i have stealth on another bind too

/cast [combat]Shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat]!Stealth```

i think that will do the combat thing you're asking about

just remember, you want to stealth from meld so idk if that's going to be the best thing to use

[gleaming sentinel]

Depending on comp in ctf can be really good fc peels and sometimes I even snag the flag and zip it out to healer

[severe helm]

Yeah flag is prob my fav as outlaw even though I think temple is better

But that's another where sub is just more dominant

That spec was made for bgs lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea totally. I just enjoy outlaw more

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/bicmex/clip/UnusualPoorOtterBuddhaBar-A72QTlxPtfH1IwAe

lmao somehow bicmex got hit by a 4 second clone??

how is that even possible

[potent pivot]

looks like the CC visual frame bugged out maybe?

you can see the enemies casting clone and then hex

looks like the clone got canceled?

[jaunty osprey]

nah

he switches

his target frame

that's why the cast bar changed

[potent pivot]

ye

hmm

[jaunty osprey]

bicmex is so good, i wanna play sv

he makes it seem fun

[potent pivot]

it's very fun imo

a little harder than you'd expect, but feels very rewarding

[spring bough]

SOD has been reborn today. they finally put a vendor in the starting area to buy every class rune

so many people on here with OP level 1s lol

[severe helm]

ummmmm

wtf

[potent pivot]

check him pc

[severe helm]

I mean if it was opressive roar on a DRed clone maybe

but in this situation

shaman druid

wtf

[jaunty osprey]

this game just continues to show us that nothing makes sense

like IMAGINE you’re an adaptation gamer and ur teammate was about to die but you got cloned for 4s

[severe helm]

hahaha

[jaunty osprey]

Wait, that’s kinda fun

[spring bough]

i went melee hunter

i got a 2H axe

im doing 200 raptor strike crits one shotting mobs lol

rouge on SOD should be pretty fun with getting poisons at level 1 LMAO

[potent pivot]

i kinda wish they'd try a short run of something similar to Ascension for retail

like how they do limited time plunderstorm runs

i bet that shit would go hard

[spring bough]

yall should hop on some SOD today and see what its like. fun as hell lol

[gritty peak]

are people still playing SoD?

[spring bough]

ton of people on it today lol

[gritty peak]

damn, that's cool. I was under the impression that everyone basically migrated to the fresh realms

[spring bough]

i think the streamers did. most regular folk seem to have stayed on SOD

[potent pivot]

a shit load of regular players went to fresh

[spring bough]

from what i got most are back on SOD cause classic just round 3 of the same old with nothing new lol

[potent pivot]

prolly just a week long rush of players like everything else

[severe helm]

yeah ive got a couple friends playing it

theyre at endgame right now they seem to be enjoying it

but they kinda hate how bad the players are lol

if you think the average retail player is bad

theyre doing some QoL improvements though giving out early game runes sooner for people coming into SoD

[safe pelican]

Retail Mafia

[indigo hill]

Sod is the vanilla one where they keep adding stuff? Like new quests and items.

[potent pivot]

It’s like “classic plus”

Idk if they add content anymore at all

You get a few different abilities from other classes n shit

Can tank as a warlock and other shit of that nature

[spring bough]

warlock tank at level 1 one shotting mobs lol

[indigo hill]

I should give it a go. Never looked into that server.

[jolly sierra]

he is here in the discord, say him hi

[severe helm]

they have different end game raids

and even have "raid difficulties"

called heat level

[spring bough]

all those extra heat levels and dragon buffs and what not is still pretty easy but it gives like 2-3 times the amount of drops the raid normally would

gearing out is pretty quick in SOD versus classic

PVP ranking updated too whre it doesnt decay and you can easily get rank 14

[severe helm]

easy for competent players haha

my buddy only has horror stories about how his SoD teammates cant manage the most trivial of mechanics lol

[indigo hill]

Anyone got a clue if that new ring is good for pvp?

[glass hazel]

it is nerfed by 75% on every proc there was a blue post

[jolly sierra]

skip

[mystic pasture]

They are adding content actually. They teased a scarlet crusade dungeon/raid

[mystic pasture]

Its super fun actually. The abilities that get added with runes even at the start were very helpful to each class. the fact that they are all there right from the start would be even better.

[lucid citrus]

Is the new patch more for pve content?

[glass hazel]

it is "pre-patch"

[lucid citrus]

Ohh

[glass hazel]

just to make people not unsub since it is not yet new season

more for casuals 🙂 to collect new stuff etc

so technically you are right it is for pve

[halcyon timber]

Prologue story to 11.1 etc

[safe pelican]

Servers up yet ?

[severe helm]

its a catch up patch

has a new zone with some quests/mogs to collect

achievements

new pve ring thats a 1-2% boost in dps

[jaunty osprey]

ohfuck

didnt know servers were up early

[safe pelican]

Servers up meant to report back lol just logged in

More concered with hate speech than fixing pvp XD

Hate Speech and pvp go hand in hand in no universe do they not.

[mystic pasture]

I take it you get banned on the reg?

[safe pelican]

incorrect never been banned on WoW ever... Now on call of duty at least 30+ times

[mystic pasture]

Then what's the issue?

[safe pelican]

Softies everywhere, as long as its not racist or heinous comments i think one should expect some constructive critisism when playing PvP that is expected.

[jaunty osprey]

have fun playing ur alts today

with the new changes

[mystic pasture]

I doubt the feedback is "constructive" nor would anyone take it that way

[worthy charm]

Alts is right, because ya know rogues dont need any balancing…

[safe pelican]

Behold some constructive criticism that i received in a bgb

We further went on to win this game and he refused to apologize but thats besides the point BUT i couldve reported this dude for insta ban but i didnt cause its pvp and i did something that was dumb

[mystic pasture]

You also realized that was toxic and said as much

less toxicity is good

[safe pelican]

Lmaoooo that wasnt me thats why I blanked out both names but youre right i think im just a fan of toxicity in pvp lol

little bit of toxicity gets the blood flowing

[mystic pasture]

maybe you can get an addon to add toxicity to peoples comments moving forward

to get your blood flowing

[safe pelican]

Queue times are ass rn

[halcyon timber]

Ol awkward mike heh

[jaunty osprey]

anyone play yet?

well the other classes that got buffed

[mystic pasture]

normally I play DH, but there is a bug that was introduced that nerfs them lol

[jaunty osprey]

i heard there were a lot of bugs that nerfed classes

does anyone know what else?

this from mage is nerfed to 5s instead of 10

even though they buffed it to 10 a few weeks ago

[glass hazel]

feels like they dont merge to retail but just replace from other fork

thats why everytime changes get replaced by older versions

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

I mean you can get banned literally for saying "bro you suck"

I'm all for a positive environment

But the policing is a little overbearing right now

The ability to right click and report people so easily definitely has contributed to lots of unwarranted bans

I actually had one overturned. Even in the original post when they sent the automated message saying they did a "thorough review" once I got through to a person and asked them to actually show me where I violated tos they couldn't and they overturned it

There's no punishment for false reports so people just report if they disagree with you haha

[potent pivot]

bruto didn't go on sale

my sources failed me

[severe helm]

Awww rip

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

It hasn't been out that long tbh

Is it gonna be on the store forever?

[potent pivot]

nope

[severe helm]

I thought it was limited time

[potent pivot]

it goes away jan 6

i heard it was gonna go on sale for xmas

from the same person that said they were going to 'rerelease the bruto' like 6 months ago

oh well

[glass hazel]

they could change it still 🙂 to get more bucks

anyone who wanted to buy already did

[potent pivot]

well i was kinda doubtful to begin with

they normally don't put the 'special' offers on sale

[severe helm]

Yeah I think it might upset the people who bought it

Not that blizzard cares but that could lead to less future sales

[potent pivot]

yeah

its all g im buyin it with gold either way

unless i win a giveaway or get it as an xmas present

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey Is this a little more like it?

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

did you feel a difference @outer sky

in addition, when you cheap shot, it allows you to actually get more use of your subterfuge windows by not being stopped on your garrote and aoe with carnage

[glass hazel]

it is so nice to stop dk\war\feral after they use all their cd

best feeling in the world :X

[outer sky]

Well in this lobby the hunter went 0-6 so probs not a great example

[azure shoal]

Im gonna change to assa to learn first the game, is Kingsbane a must talent to go?

[potent pivot]

nah, you can play without it

especially for getting started, it might be a little easier to play with less keybinds/spells to play around

[azure shoal]

im checking and there is plenty of talents

Ah dont worry about that

Im used to

[potent pivot]

there's about 3 main builds for assa

there's the full cleave bleed build, with no kingsbane

then there's the cold blood/kingsbane

and then there's the supercharger/kingsbane

not that much changes between the 3

[azure shoal]

I see Cultf doesnt have it

Which one do you recommend me the most for arena and bg the same build=?

[potent pivot]

personally my favorite is the supercharger/kingsbane build

most people just play the full cleave bleed build

but for BGs more people take kingsbane

than ppl do in arena

it really doesn't matter

all 3 builds are very good

imo it comes down to personal preference

[echo flame]

anyone have tips for someone just getting into rogue/DPS arena? I've only really had success in arenas as a healer (disc priest)

[potent pivot]

that's a pretty broad question

[echo flame]

yeah, youre right....im struggling with awareness, iwhen i heal its more about my CDs/LOS and seeing the health bars

[potent pivot]

having proper addons set up is a big part of awareness

other than that it's just practice and experience

[echo flame]

i think thts mostly what im lacking, experience as teh dps role

bascially only played healer in arena through honor ~100...gotta get the reps in

[potent pivot]

practice rotation a lot on dummies, play a bunch of skirms/BGs to get more acquainted with how dps plays

that's typically what i do whenever i'm starting on a new alt

[echo flame]

ive never really done much practice on the dummies ever

i get it...just havent done it

[potent pivot]

being used to doing your rotation without really putting much thought into it is a big part of dps

[glass hazel]

suggest super charger as well can do sweet 2-2.4m envenoms

[echo flame]

i think i just copied whatver icy veins had....i was being lazy with teh build

[glass hazel]

try hekili to get a feeling what to press

when practicing on dummy to get that muscle memory

it is not ideal but will give an idea

[potent pivot]

i would probably change that then

[echo flame]

i copied the icy veins pvp build on 12/11, unsure what the meta is atm--on disc i would look up top players and try to mimic

[glass hazel]

not sure what build in there probably tea bleed one

[potent pivot]

yeh but it takes kingsbane/MA without cold blood or supercharger

[echo flame]

its got kindsbane, unsure if thats the only criteria for supercharger, but i saw those two mentioned above

ah supervharge is a talent

[glass hazel]

lol so it is not good at anything

just little bit from both builds 😄

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't say that

[glass hazel]

i mean more universal

[potent pivot]

changing a couple talents doesn't change much for assa

it's still got all the bleed dmg etc

it's just that everyone that takes kb takes it with cold blood or supercharger

so it's kinda odd is all

it also takes lingering darkness instead of symbolic victory

and suggests ethereal cloak instead of bait and switch

small optimizations, but sorta important

[echo flame]

i dont see these talents

[glass hazel]

also it suggest momentum

[potent pivot]

they are hero tree talents

[glass hazel]

in pvp

[potent pivot]

it doesn't

that's the ST build

[glass hazel]

aaa i'm blind yeah

[potent pivot]

the cleave build suggests follow the blood

[glass hazel]

yeah true, i looked into wrong one

[potent pivot]

i would just look at murlok

and mimic someone's build

[echo flame]

yeah i should do that now

this was what i was doing while leveling in BGS, etc

checking it out

[glass hazel]

i really like sc+fi build

more bursty what assa is lacking kinda

when you swap tea for fi

should try that one as well, might like it

[echo flame]

this is probably in the guide, but gonna ask quickly...deadly + crippling poisons unless tehre is a healer..?

[glass hazel]

always wound

every class has self heal

[potent pivot]

most do

[glass hazel]

wound affects everything right? like hs or our vial

[vocal surge]

You can just go Wound on effectively all classes

The damage of poisons is kinda negligible

Unless your assa

[echo flame]

ah yes , i am ass rogue

still wound + crippling always?

[potent pivot]

yes

poison damage is still negligible for assa

[echo flame]

welp, won my first match

ina skirmish tonight

got the only killing blow too

[potent pivot]

[echo flame]

the dudes left match when healer got killed...

[potent pivot]

ye that's how it goes

once someone dies people usually /afk to leave or they just stand there and die

[echo flame]

meanwhile the winning team

so ina 2v2...rogue + dps versus rogue + dps...basically stay hidden unless my teamate is about to go down?

[azure shoal]

Oh, assa doesnt use deadly poison?

I thought it does

[potent pivot]

Nah not in pvp

All 3 specs basically run wound poison perma

[azure shoal]

Oh mb then hahaha

[potent pivot]

Healing reductions are very powerful for pvp

[azure shoal]

Which build do you recommend the most for leveling from 75 to 80 as assa to start using it?

[potent pivot]

For leveling it doesn’t really matter

I would go to wowhead and copy the raid or the m+ build

The fastest way to level is to do quests, delve quests and dungeons

For my alts I just slap in the recommended m+ build and do timewalking dungeons

[azure shoal]

Okaayyy

[glass hazel]

yeah go get that anniversary buff to make it 20% and slam tw

now it is cata dungeons which are super fast

[azure shoal]

The 20% exp is a quest reward?

[glass hazel]

10% from quest and 10% from bff

buff*

[azure shoal]

Is the Tanaris Quest?

[teal coral]

is outlaw the best spec for rmp currently?

[potent pivot]

i think all 3 are fine rn

[teal coral]

ah good i think i've got a bit more xp on sub then outlaw in pvp

[stoic spruce]

Sub is better for rmp

If you want a real answer

[obsidian moon]

Sub is the worst of the 3 right now

[stoic spruce]

Read it again but slower

"For rmp"

[nova viper]

Bruh

pvp is so toxic

[obsidian moon]

Ye it’s the worst for rmp

That’s what I meant

[stoic spruce]

Sure bud

[potent pivot]

If we wanna get technical

You’re both wrong

[verbal field]

can someone tell me if now the void elf racials are nice, meh or trash?

[potent pivot]

somewhere between meh and trash

[verbal field]

(thinking of a change from human)

[potent pivot]

the only racial worth swapping to really is night elf

but play w/e race you want tbh

all depends on your goals and how tryhard you want to be

[verbal field]

yea nr 1 is always the look but i was curious about the racials

[potent pivot]

if you're human already i'd just swap to w/e you want

it's basically nelf > dark iron dwarf > orc > human

depending on your spec a bit

[obsidian moon]

?

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs have very similar reported win rates

[obsidian moon]

Why does that matter when there’s no sub rogues on high rating but there are both assa and outlaw

The sub spec got destroyed after the removal of cdr

[potent pivot]

there is high rated subs

people overplay the spec being "destroyed"

we're also talking about rmp specifically and not just a rogue spec's rating

[obsidian moon]

Who? Highest rated sub rogue is 2500 on Eu I haven’t checked NA

[potent pivot]

eu is eu

there's a few above 2.5 on eu

there's a few above 2.5 on na

[obsidian moon]

There’s one on 2500 the others aren’t playing sub in 3s

[potent pivot]

eu tends to be more 'meta slave' once whaazz says something everyone follows

[obsidian moon]

The spec is literally dead

[potent pivot]

based on representation it's low sure

it's not dead

players that are good at playing sub still do fine

[obsidian moon]

Not a single high rated rogue plays sub on eu. Not sure about NA. I’m just saying that if u play rmp def don’t pick sub when the other 2 specs are much better in the comp at this current state of the game

[potent pivot]

yeah i just think that's kind of weird

98% of people that have to ask the question aren't pushing for r1

so why would you play anything but the spec you're better at playing

it's dumb

kalv is 2750 on sub

[spring bough]

if yall got new computer stuff dont forget to update your motherboard bios lol

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

Kalvish literally plays sub in 3s

Oh

Notrickz said it already

[indigo lava]

Hello ! Atleast ! thanks buddys @jaunty osprey @potent pivot

[jaunty osprey]

Yay!!

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

sub is def not the worst for rmp

and it depends what version of rmp

rmp plays very different with the 3 rogue specs

outlaw rmp is very damp

assa rmp plays more like a typical melee + caster comp

but sub rmp will always be the best as long as sub does any amount of damage in their burst

the other two specs woudl have be egregiously broken to overtake it

and even then when those specs are good they dont play rmp they end up playing like outlaw boomy or assa sp instead

sub just fits rmp better than the other two

[severe helm]

OH @jaunty osprey bro

you know that 4 second clone thing

I GOT A 4 second Kidney on me

in a blitz

absolutely no fucking clue what caused it

wasnt a lower cp one either

blizz fucked something up hahaha

[jaunty osprey]

WEIRD

also dark iron dwarf has a bug for 1.5 min cd for dps

and 1 min for healer

[potent pivot]

You mean the medallion cd bug?

[severe helm]

LOL

[potent pivot]

Or something new

[jaunty osprey]

ya that

U just gotta press trinket before u dark iron

[potent pivot]

That’s been around for a long time now

[jaunty osprey]

Ya

but now ppl finally abusing it

[severe helm]

wait wym

[jaunty osprey]

at higher ratings

[severe helm]

I thought dark iron was supposed to give you trinket a 30s cd

isnt that normal?

[jaunty osprey]

when u press trink then press dark iron later

[potent pivot]

It’s been abused in the last like 3 awcs

[jaunty osprey]

it reduces cd by 30s

[severe helm]

reduces your trinket cd?

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

[potent pivot]

Yes

[severe helm]

so if you pvp trinket and its at 2 min cd

then you press dark iron

does it reduce it even if trinket is almost ready

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

like if trinket is at 30s left

and you dark iron

[potent pivot]

No

[severe helm]

its just suddenly ready to use?

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t

[upbeat plaza]

Hi guys, can u help me with pvp daggers? Do i need to get daggers for 2500 conq points or just craft them(somebody told me they're better)

[potent pivot]

It will raise the cd if trinket is under 1.5 cd iirc

[severe helm]

crafted are technically better for sub

cuz more mastery slanted

its marginal

[severe helm]

LOLOL

dude

the blizzard devs right now

[potent pivot]

Get the 2500 conquest daggers first. Worry about crafted daggers as your very last upgrade.

[severe helm]

are tripping over themselves

[upbeat plaza]

What if i want 2 sets. PVE and PVP on 1 char? Im new in game, and rogue too

[potent pivot]

This has been a thing since shadowlands homie

[severe helm]

Im hearing rumblings of some outlaw pve bug in m+ theyre just doing like 30% less overall dps than they should be

[severe helm]

im surprised ive never noticed it

I played dark iron on shaman

thats actually a relaly big bug though

how have they not fixed it

[potent pivot]

Won’t make a difference. Only difference would be your tier set catalyst charges

[severe helm]

does it occur for regular dwarf as well?

[potent pivot]

Iirc yes

[upbeat plaza]

But what if i have enough resources for craft? I have 450k gold

[severe helm]

the conquest daggers are literally free

craft other gear first

do daggers later

[potent pivot]

That doesn’t matter when it comes to tier set. Pve and pvp tier items are made with catalyst charges which are limited

You won’t need much gold to craft your crafted pvp pieces

Crafted pve pieces use diff materials and a little gold as well

You should really look up some 11.0 gearing guides

Get acquainted with the systems

[severe helm]

is stuff changing a lot in 11.0?

oh wait

im dumb I thought you meant 11.1

[upbeat plaza]

Thank you

[potent pivot]

They just need to get acquainted with how catalyst/crafted/conquest/pve gearing systems work

At a base level ig

[severe helm]

yeah makes sense

I just thought you were saying theres some big changes coming in 11.1 and theres guides otu already haha

[jaunty osprey]

I wanna play my ret in 3s; but no1 on my friends list wants to play low rating smh

And lfg sucks

[potent pivot]

Put out a bnet announcement

[severe helm]

lfg is the worst its ever been I swear

[potent pivot]

“Anyone wanna q alts”

[severe helm]

alt games are so fun too

someone always needs conq

[gleaming sentinel]

Wish I could try some of these new races without dropping 25 bucks. Kinda think worgen outlaw would be able to do some crazy stuff in blitz

[severe helm]

its very fast

couple myf riends swapped to it

I'll never play a furry though

[potent pivot]

Bnet services should be on sale rn

[gleaming sentinel]

Pretty much insta delay the cap in eots no matter what now eh

[severe helm]

worgen doesnt enable any of the fast cap stuff tbh

you can do it as any race

eots nodes come up so slow even mages can stop cap

[safe pelican]

Daily PSA : Game Ded, reroll grass

[tribal badger]

worgen outlaw master race

sprint and darkflight stacking is wild ngl

super fun

[severe helm]

it is def very very fast

kind of ridic

[jolly sierra]

sonic

[tribal badger]

its basically a nitro boots u can use in actual instanced combat

very nice

[spring bough]

SOD fun time

[safe pelican]

lol one blitz game a day still keeps the doctor away

Usually keep playing until i lose then call it if i win first game

[jaunty osprey]

they need to make it that if deathstalkers mark is removed due to a defensive, it gives the rogue darkest night

[severe helm]

wouldnt that be nice

even better though

dont fucking put it on ambush holy shit

it shouldnt be that hard to apply tbh

It feels like the hero talents were designed with sub rogue in mind

and then were ported to the other specs as an afterthought

cuz trickster is horrible for outlaw

and deathstalker is strong for assa but a pain in the ass to play around

[jaunty osprey]

put it on shiv tbh

at any point

not just shivs during subterfuge

problem solved

[gritty peak]

“A pain in the ass” for assa

[vocal surge]

Life without playing WoW is weird lol

Suddenly I got a ton of free time

[glass hazel]

gz 🙂 its big, dont think i can do the same this season haha 2100 was already hard

[indigo lava]

Thank you buddy, thats alot already and i think you can hit it!

[wanton breach]

imagine that but with deathmark as well - like 10% more bleed damage for the remainder of the duration

[glass hazel]

nah best way with mark just put it on rogue

like a buff -_-

why it need to be on a target in first place

also would be nice if dm act like vendetta and gives truesight ;x but well

[verbal field]

had a nice ss round, overall i think i did a good job with ccing healer but still monk heal in my team flamed de shit outta me cause my damage was not on top
we won btw

[gusty hedge]

Trickster is slept on via outlaw. Its niche imo, Slaps with different builds forsure, Mastery is good with trick/Full haste and or balanced buuld with crit haste verse.(Tried multiple builds on different rogues)
Fatebound just Slaps with the passive damage +coin damage+multipliers, Trick needs a bit of set up to get pumping but once ur on its Gg, Rip to double hook on trick that would complete that build imo

[potent pivot]

What spec were you playing? Either way you won’t always do top dmg, but assa as an example puts a lot of dmg on the meter compared to sub/outlaw.

[verbal field]

was on sub but i was also more focused on the cc

[potent pivot]

sub does considerably less overall dmg either way

because you're only really worried about doing dmg during your burst

[verbal field]

i also thought like... do i have to top the dmg meter? its not that i did absolutely zero damage and yeah we won that game, he acted like i was auto attacking

idk still new to pvp but i still enjoy it, soo next queue

[wanton breach]

solo shuffle is the worst environment

[verbal field]

i feel like as sub you should do as much damage as possible during the burst windows and else youre just a cc machine

[obsidian moon]

If u think sub rmp is the best version of rmp right now ur coping. As I mentioned before I’m talking about current state of the game, not historically

[safe pelican]

https://youtu.be/SJvPHGnIz0g?si=cqSVjwOuuOqVTVXL

Please god.

[potent pivot]

"in future raids"

[gleaming sentinel]

The thing about sub in shuffle for me is getting out of the rating where everyone just randomly stuns and screws everything up

[safe pelican]

Yea i know but hopefully it stretches to pvp in SOME regards

[gleaming sentinel]

And then you realize it happens at the top too

[potent pivot]

i'm not getting my hopes up

raid/dungeon playerbase is way bigger

[safe pelican]

PVE is so wack lol i don’t understand how we get pooped on every update, said they are going to slowly decrease add on functionality while improving gameplay depending on on what’s done they X i guess will effect or not effect pvp

[verbal field]

yea i love when i tell my mates pls dont stun and they do

[safe pelican]

lol i won’t send anymore going back to work

[potent pivot]

ye the whole conversation was about raid encounters tho

just sayin

we can hope

but i no longer get my hopes up for this game

[glass hazel]

You will get a new arena what else do you want

[fallen scaffold]

im sure this has been asked but is the new ring and citrine gems going to have a use in pvp

[potent pivot]

i'm like 99.99% sure we won't use it in pvp

all the effects are nerfed by 75% in pvp

if the ring had decent stats, we'd prolly use it

since the effects would just be extra w/e

but it has no stats

[fallen scaffold]

ya word

[jaunty osprey]

The stat gems

are also nerfed

for the ring

[verbal field]

ye rings useless for pvp

[severe helm]

nah prob not

what this means is an expansion on blizzards "private aura" system for raid mechanics

I dont think they have any intention of removing addons to track things like your cds/enemy cds

[severe helm]

Yeah I just mean in terms of design. Tricksters capston buffs DISPATCH....which hits for piss as outlaw lol like its very obvious they designed it with sub in mind

and I was kinda speaking inclusive of pve where killing spree is entirely unusable in 90% of content cuz it just straight up kills you lol

I never understood the mastery for trickster though, why does trickster benefit from mastery more than fatebound would?

Wouldnt it favor crit due to the 25% increased crit strike dam on builders?

[potent pivot]

something with unseen blade and thousand cuts

[severe helm]

that doesnt make the mastery hit harder though

[potent pivot]

i don't think their assumption about it was correct

[severe helm]

so its not actually synergistic

thousand cuts just procs off main gauche

[potent pivot]

it was feel craft

[severe helm]

I think its just people misconstruing mastery being high on the meters with mastery being good

im curious to mess with trickster though but mastery def aint it haha

I think the SC + GSW build might be legit though

[wanton breach]

lots of feelycrafting in pvp

[jaunty osprey]

Sometimes feelycraft is fine because for assa pvp, vers mast is bis compared to crit mast / haste mast despite what the sim says

since you don’t ever have 100% uptime and play around bleeds and nothing else

[potent pivot]

yep and i hate it

swear it's wrong

[chrome schooner]

To be honest it is right now just because we have a low stat budget, but as soon as the stat pool is bigger Haste and Crit will have their place in PvP. Once you have enough Mastery and Versa to hit either DR, having extra Haste instead makes the bleeds tick faster and is more bonus damage than investing into more Versa, for instance

It doesn't mean "go stack full haste", but the first % have a lot of value.

[severe helm]

why would lower stat budget make mastery better?

Oh youre talking assa

nvm

yeah on assa every point you have in one stat increases the value of the others

so eventually the other stats will be good

at least somewhat

[waxen meteor]

I think it’s enough haste that makes one additional tik of garrot is the good threshold

But probably we won’t be there until s3

I mean we have both vers/mastery hitting DR and can have enough haste to reach one additional tik

[chrome schooner]

because it's the best stat, but the more you have of it the less %dmg increase it gives you for every new point

[chrome schooner]

this is like a 10 years old mechanic

[severe helm]

I thought you were talking for outlaw

[chrome schooner]

it has been years that it doesn't work like this anymore

[severe helm]

this doesnt exist anymore

[chrome schooner]

now, if you have any haste then DoT effects have a partial tic at the end of the timer

[severe helm]

theres partial ticks at the end of dots

yeah

[chrome schooner]

if you have enough haste to get a full tic then it's a full tic, if you have half the haste for it then the partial tic is 50% of a full tic, etc etc

[potent pivot]

[safe pelican]

Lmaooo fuck man WoW related content just started popping up on my IG gotta lay off the game for a bit

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDchu_Nim4r/?igsh=djVwaWI2cWgxeGFl

This shit took me out for any gym bros in here rip Rich P 🤣

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[spring bough]

New siren isle feels meh

Ready for season two lol

[waxen meteor]

Oh nice that’s exactly what I am looking for whole time

[potent pivot]

it always adds some percentage of a tick

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

any rogue changes on the horizon? lol

feel like ive been doing the same rotation for like two years

[potent pivot]

none that we know of

[candid tide]

yo outlaw pros, do you guys also vanish to spam bte when u got shark buff?

[potent pivot]

you vanish and spam bte no matter what

your rolls barely matter as far as your rotation goes

[candid tide]

dang when do i know when to vanish for spams

[potent pivot]

wdym

when vanish isn't on CD

[candid tide]

cause im trying to watch dr for full team stuns too

[potent pivot]

then hold off

for that

?

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, tbh with current playstyle of assa, crit is definitely better and sims better than haste

in s3 or whatever

[chrome schooner]

Depends how many enemies you ahve bled up

It's a match-up thing

[candid tide]

when i open and finish my full cd rotation, should i immediatly vanish again for more bte pumps

[jaunty osprey]

in multi target, crit should always sim better

[chrome schooner]

But I was one of the crit defenders in late df so :p

[jaunty osprey]

But ya

melee cleave, im def going more crit

[potent pivot]

you can, or you can just hold a charge for next round of DRs

[vocal surge]

This is a literal mystery. For some reason, Trickster procs Main Gauche twice as often

But nowhere

[jaunty osprey]

Spamming fok and ct

[candid tide]

kk gotcha thanks for the tipz

[vocal surge]

and I mean literally nowhere does it say Main Gauche proc chance increases on the hero talent tree

It just does

and from gameplay, Hidden Blade can proc MG, but the amount of Hidden Blades you do is 1 per 20s, 2 after a killing spree, and the rest from procs via Thousand Cuts/Flickerstrike

[vocal surge]

and the ironic part about the crit strike damage for builders is that builders make up a far lower portion of your damage profile compare to Finishers

And then there's the small interactions that throw Trickster under the bus

Unseen Blade causes Call Observer to attack you despite clearly saying on the tooltip that it's a physical attack, not a magical attack

[severe helm]

they really dont

if you run gsw 🙂