pvp

[potent pivot]

It’s gonna tell you to do incorrect stuff half of the time in pvp I’m sure

[molten hedge]

I feel like following an unknown script would make my reaction time even slower than it is

In a game mode where one global is the difference between living or dying

[potent pivot]

Yeah personally I wouldn’t recommend using them at all

[molten hedge]

I didn’t even know they had that lol

[potent pivot]

they can help some beginners that have no idea what to press for dps

But it’s a lot better to just learn

[molten hedge]

Yeah I can see that but does it include cc and everything else

[potent pivot]

Nah it’s only for dps

[smoky stone]

No? it says my cc and and even when i need to kick

[potent pivot]

Nothing can tell you when to cc except yourself or a team mate etc

[molten hedge]

👀

Is it audio queues? How does it say who to kick? Or does it put their name by the cc

That’s wild

[smoky stone]

nah single target

[potent pivot]

That sounds really suboptimal

[tribal badger]

it probably just shows kick during certain casts and cc when its off dr

[smoky stone]

yeah i think so

[molten hedge]

Ya I doubt it’s gonna tell you to DR cheap shot the healer when ur lock has a 2 mil chaos bolt flying through the air at the kill target whose at 15% hp

Speaking of DR, that’s diminishing returns and not gapping cc will help you climb immensely if you don’t have Diminish or Sarena (you can edit this to make it easier to tell what is DR’d) @smoky stone

[safe pelican]

Only use hekili for dps rotation

Not reading all of the chat just chiming it but you can edit the prio in the add on

It can tell you interrupts but it won’t tell you to stun so don’t depend on it for that it’s really only needed for outlaw imo but if it’s helping you out on assa roll with it

In a sense is a pve addon for mobs / bosses you can change it to single target or aoe, keep it on single i customized mine a lot to be reliable but i have to check all the settings when i get home

[smoky stone]

Hmmm well it kind a works i win more then i lose but when i only follow whats on the screen it feel like botting..

Ill try hunter too tommorow just to see how it feels, my and my friend plays on alliance side, do i need to take human for rouge? is it must? or can i do void elf as exemple?

[jaunty osprey]

night elf

if you want to be competitive

and nothing else

[smoky stone]

4th night elf on the user :S 😄

[molten hedge]

It works now because good damage in lower mmr will carry you. But when you get higher rated you will need damage and cc to win games because healers will trade defensive cooldowns better and out heal your damage to an extent

[safe pelican]

say lesss

and i got in lets see if we get a W

lost lmao smh team had 0 dps

[safe pelican]

Damn 45 minute queue after that never even got a match game dead already what is going on 😭

[candid tide]

its crazy how ive gotten more qs on Arena Tournament bak in the days with only 500 players online

[molten hedge]

Too much shit going on rn everything’s split that doesn’t help

[spring bough]

what alt is on the menu for this week

[severe helm]

Hekili is a headstart but a dead end

[wary thistle]

Hunter is fun in pvp. Having a ranged advantage + a good amount of utility leads to some fun interactions. Also learning to accurately throw traps on cursor macro is helpful and rewarding.

Different play style compared to rogue, but might be what you're looking for if you're not really liking rogue in the first place.

[jaunty osprey]

sheeeeeesh

[safe pelican]

Do you think you have a problem yet sir ? 😂

[jaunty osprey]

T_T

i need to be like notrickz and make 1 of every class

[stoic spruce]

outlaw wishes its subt gameplay was as good as Assa's

[severe helm]

Wat

Assas subt gameplay is tab + garrote lol

[severe helm]

Does anyone know where you get the initial quest that gives you the conquest items for crafting?

[potent pivot]

you just get it automatically

win 1 bg or a few arenas

[severe helm]

blitz bg or even just a random bg

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure it comes from any pvp period

random bg, comp stomp, skirms, rated, etc

[severe helm]

oh nice

[stoic spruce]

and funnily enough

things die

outlul could never

[potent pivot]

@spring bough trying the no prim wave build again, not bad so far. you got any thoughts on proc prios during ascendance?

[spring bough]

When I proc ascendance the only ability I use is wind strike for the entire 15 seconds. Possibly a healing surge mixed in but that’s about it. I run the talent that takes healing surge off maelstrom proc and puts it on its own. After every use of a 10x maelstrom it always procs the healing surge heal and that does about 20% healing per use lol

[potent pivot]

it auto consumes bolt/tempest procs iirc right

[spring bough]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

i've been playing around with mixing in a couple lava bursts

[spring bough]

So when you hit 10 maelstrom stacks on a windstrike during ascendance it auto procs your last used lightning bolt or chain lightning. So I manually send a lightning bolt proc then spam windstrike

And then it’ll auto cast tempest when that procs during the go

And the uses refills the maelstrom to 10 usually and it’s an infinite 15 second loop of big damage and self healing 20% or so each healing surge proc

[potent pivot]

Burrow is pretty sick ngl

[spring bough]

Tbh I haven’t used it yet in favor of stormsurge the healing one lol

[potent pivot]

Burrowed a sub rogues go earlier then fucked em up

[spring bough]

I need to give it a try it seems like an OP vanish lol

[potent pivot]

In a way yeah

I think some stuff can still hit you

I remember Saul I think losing a match because he took damage in a burrow or maybe he didn’t get it off in time idr exactly

[molten hedge]

Yeah I think bleeds and dots still tick in burrow

You burrow thunderstormed before? It’s fun lmao they fly super far

[glass hazel]

my first 0\6 -_- -72 so painful haha

[wise sequoia]

What can rogues avoid with evasion or cloak of shadows?

Kidney shot/druid stuns - evasion?
Hammer of justice/priest&mage stuns - cloak?
Storm bolt - neither?
Disarms - neither? Depends?
Traps - cloak if frost/fire, otherwise neither?
Hunter shots - neither?
Poisons/curses/deseases - neither?

Just trying to understand the abilities and finding a generally applicable rule 😉

[halcyon timber]

Cloak removes the initial application of harmful effects and has a chance to resist stuff. With Veil of Midnight, you can do the same to physical things such as stormbolt and karma but you have to time it very well. Its not a “bubble” as the lesser minded spread propaganda about.

[wise sequoia]

Thank you!

Was I correct about my other guesses?

[radiant glen]

physical disarms can be cloaked with veil of midnight, magical disarms can be cloaked always. timing an evasion before a physical disarm hits will also evade it.

hunter shots can be evaded, and arcane shot can be cloaked with timing. explosive shot can always be cloaked

poisons curses and diseases can be cloaked

generally speaking, spells have 2 parts - an application, and an effect.

evasion works verses things with physical applications regardless of effect, with exceptions like cheapshot and storm bolt.

the first second of cloak works with anything that has a magical effect, regardless of application. for example, envenom can be cloaked, but not in the later half of the buff. beyond that, cloak only prevents certain magical statuses, and magical applications, but not magical damage with phys application iirc

[chrome schooner]

More simply, anything that is an attack (sword swing, punch, arrow etc) can be dodged, and anything that is a spell (frostbolt, shadowbolt, that sort of stuff, so triggered by the user's magical prowess if you will) cannot be dodged. Anything that is a spell is resisted as long as Cloak lasts, however Cloak has the additional perk of resisting anything that is magic for the 1st second, even if it is not a spell (Envenom, for example, is an attack that deals magic damage, so isn't resisted by cloak because it is an attack, not a spell, but is resisted for the 1st second of cloak because the damage is magic, and of course is dodged during evasion because it is an attack). With Veil of midnight that 1st second of total magic resistance becomes "total resistance to the entire game", but it is only about 1s long

There are exceptions to this, such as Judgement going through Cloak and Evasion, or Stormbolt being impossible to dodge, Cheap Shot/Ambush/Garrote as well, but not too many

[wise sequoia]

Wow ... thats crazy!
So you cannot dodge cheap shot? I usually play druid and feel like I have seen monks dodge my rake stun.
Do you have to face the hunter to dodge the shots?

[radiant glen]

yes, you cannot dodge from behind unless you're a demon hunter

always face the thing you're trying to dodge

[halcyon timber]

Pretty much man. Evasion (with the correct angle) can dodge direct attacks.

[halcyon timber]

Stormbolt and aoe stuns (such as chaos nova) also cannot be dodged are also examples of unavoidable stuns.

[radiant glen]

leg sweep is an aoe stun and is dodgeable

chaos nova is magic

[halcyon timber]

That’s an exception with however they designed it

Yes nova is magic. Dunno if they added a physical flag to it though over the past few expansions.

[wise sequoia]

That a lot to process xD
Ty for taking the time to write it out! I'm a forever resto druid who just made the swithc (just DINGED 80!)

[halcyon timber]

Grats man, there are lots of little neat things every class has for expression.

[wise sequoia]

Lol full conquest gear allready except for helm - Ty boxes of conquest ^^

[wise sequoia]

just killed my first oppoenent in a bg 😄

[wise sequoia]

Just to reiterate … cheap shot and storm bolt are the only un-dodgeable physical stuns.

Maim, rake, mighty bash, intimidation, leg sweep and kidney shot are all dodgeable, right?

Maybe also shockwave and warstomp …

And all magical CC (including magical stuns and disarms) can be prevented by using cloak of shadows, though cloak cannot be used during loss of control of your character.

[plain blade]

So this is broken in battlegrounds. A user can cast this then click on your name and see you far across the map. This item should be removed smh

[stiff cedar]

Shockwave and warstomp are aoe, I don't think either is dodgeable with evasion. The rest sounds pretty good

[chrome schooner]

There is no rule that says "AoE stuns cannot be dodged' really. It just so happens that Leg Sweep is something you can dodge (which makes sense, it's a sort of kick), while other examples of AoE stuns are Shockwave, which makes sense to be impossible to dodge considering what it is, and Chaos Nova/Shadowfury/Capacitator that are spells, not attacks, so don't even enter the can/cannot dodge debate.

[chrome schooner]

Yes. Cheap Shot, Stormbolt, Shockwave and War Stomp can't be dodged or parried, other "attack" stuns can. Although there might be an obscure one from Prot War or Brew Monk that is also bypassing resistances, I don't know these specs well enough.

[severe helm]

chaos nova I think is undodgable cuz its magic

or one of the DH stuns I forget the name

[jaunty osprey]

SUP MEW

[severe helm]

axe toss also cant be dodged

[jaunty osprey]

wait

axe toss can

no?

[severe helm]

sup ivan

nope

[jaunty osprey]

are you sure?

[severe helm]

axe toss is undodgable

yes

BM hunter stun is dodgeable though

but you have to be facing the pet

which is annoying

at least axe toss was not dodgable last time I tested

late DF

[jaunty osprey]

need shadenox to confirm

@chrome schooner

cause i swear i never get axe tossed when i open on demos with evasion

or they could just not be pressing

i have no locks online to test

damn

yeah

you can dodge it

@severe helm

just tested

[severe helm]

bullshit

lol

I swear

[jaunty osprey]

just dueled a lock

clipping

[stiff cedar]

My understanding is you can evasion axe toss

Waiting for clip to learn

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, cause i do it all the time, but i dont track it

so idk if they just never press

[stiff cedar]

I also have the (likely flawed) logic that I know for a fact I've watched kalv open on demo locks with evasion and I don't think he'd waste evasion for it if it didn't work

[jaunty osprey]

@severe helm

[stiff cedar]

Yurp

[severe helm]

I also have tried it 10000 times and it has never worked for me lol

It must be a from behind thing

I just tried in a duel and the axe toss went right through so pet must have been behind me

[stiff cedar]

I'm assuming that it works like pet stun where you need to face pet not player?

That's whack

[chrome schooner]

It can

[jaunty osprey]

just tested 3 more times

it can

[chrome schooner]

It can but people get confused because they face the lock and not the pet

Or also because there is the axe toss from the pet, and the one with 2min cd from the 2nd pet the lock can summon just to stun

So they face the pet, get axed toss by the 2nd pet which they don't face because it spawned somewhere else, and then think they can't dodge it

[severe helm]

can they both get dodged?

[chrome schooner]

Yes

It's the same spell, essentially

One has 30s CD and the other 2min

(unless that changed)

[severe helm]

Yeah I'll have to test it more myself as well I've tried very explicitly to face the pet and I still get stunned from it

[jaunty osprey]

noob

[severe helm]

fr

[molten hedge]

@stiff cedar same. I do this sometimes because pika always does it against locks so I was like it must be a good idea

[severe helm]

I need to more thoroughly test what goes through searing glare

[jaunty osprey]

kick

that's it

[severe helm]

other than kick

Ive somehow managed to generate cps during it on occasion

[jaunty osprey]

fan gives CP, does no damage

[severe helm]

as outlaw

[molten hedge]

FoK

[jaunty osprey]

blade flurry

gives cp

does no damage

[severe helm]

nah I dont have that talent

[jaunty osprey]

sinister strike/ambush too

your abilities work

[severe helm]

ambush gives cps even if it misses?

[jaunty osprey]

they just do 0 dam

if u get a proc

[severe helm]

but PS doesnt give cps

oh cuz its a "stealth" ability

so it gives cps but doesnt do dam?

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, from my testing

[severe helm]

so cheap shot would give cps too then?

[jaunty osprey]

uhh

[severe helm]

dont see why not haha

[jaunty osprey]

hmm good question

[severe helm]

yeah I gotta test it out

[jaunty osprey]

i dont think so, i think the proc portion

of ambush

gives it though

[severe helm]

the proc portion as in the second hit of ambuhs?

if it procs from HO

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

[severe helm]

ooooooooooooooh what

[jaunty osprey]

let me find an hpal

[severe helm]

so like as sub then shadowstrike wouldnt give cps

[jaunty osprey]

oh wait

i dont have a sword

[severe helm]

LOL

buy one with honor

mr 15k on 5 chars

[jaunty osprey]

which rogue do i set up outlaw on

hmm

and nah im not gonna spend my honour wtf, gonna use conq

[severe helm]

hahaha

youre crazy

[jaunty osprey]

do we use

[severe helm]

I thought you said you were gona start playing outlaw anyway

[jaunty osprey]

axe, or sword

[severe helm]

you use axe for crit/vers

unless youre down bad on haste

[jaunty osprey]

they have diff wep dmg

[severe helm]

then you can use sword

[jaunty osprey]

wtf

[severe helm]

wep dmg doesnt matter

[molten hedge]

Go double sword FTM (for the mog)

https://tenor.com/view/phillip-hudson-lantbo-skittles-gots-to-seeit-thru-gots-to-see-it-thru-my-boy-gif-18038650

[jaunty osprey]

@severe helm which 4 tier pieces

everything but legs?

[severe helm]

yep

[jaunty osprey]

@severe helm

im ready

[severe helm]

That's wild

You're gonna be more geared than me

I don't think I'm even fully socketed yet

[jaunty osprey]

o

LMAO

well to be fair, bg blitz hardly gives honour and conq

1 shuf is like 2k honour

[wise sequoia]

outlaw damage is crazy ... just hit 80, got the random conquest items from boxes and started facerolling the PvP dummy (bad rotation since I'm still a total noob)

1.5 mil DPS! WTF?!

How much do you guys have on PvP dummies?

Can we get above 2 mil dps? 😄

[potent pivot]

PvP dummies are a bit different than actual players

[jolly sierra]

ye dummies has not versa or passives from players

[wise sequoia]

I know that dummies are different, but I'm so used to playing resto druid - If I go full DPS spec, pop heart of the wild and tree form and start spamming starsurges/wrath, I'm able to get my DPS to almost 400k ... meanwhile as a noob outlaw without proper roation and a mid roll the bones proc, I can do 4 times that!

[severe helm]

1.5mil st on a dummy is higher than the sim DPS in bis pve gear

So something's going on there

Would love to see a details log of that

[wise sequoia]

Blade flurry was active ... I will try to screen shot it

[potent pivot]

so it was aoe? lol

[wise sequoia]

It was just my single target rotation on a PvP dummy ... but I always pop blade flurry together with ADR before combat.

Not sure how aoe rotations are different

[glass hazel]

in pvp people dont stand grouped in order for you to cleave them, mostly it is single target, average dps is 300-400k had pog monk today he did 700k every fight in ss, was amazed

never seen ww so strong before 🙂 but well it is newbie rating ~2000 maybe it is different on 2.4k+

[potent pivot]

rotation doesn't change

but if you're hitting multiple dummies because blade flurry is active, it isn't ST

[severe helm]

Yeah 1.5mil st would be insane as outlaw

[wise sequoia]

How big is blade flurry cleave? melee range or like 10y or what?

[molten hedge]

I’ve done 1.2-1.3 mil burst ST on PvP dummy but had 4 buffs on opener and everything went perfect

But it wasn’t for too long

[molten hedge]

It says on tooltip I’m sure

[wise sequoia]

Just says "strike nearby"

[potent pivot]

it doesn't say on the tooltip

it's bigger than regular melee range

but not by a lot

[wise sequoia]

Yeah single target I'm struggeling to keep it above 800k xD
Not perfect gear though, and no gems enchants ... but my rotations still has a long way to go!

[molten hedge]

I can sustain about 860-880k indefinitely sometimes more if I roll good buffs. So ur not too far off @wise sequoia

[spring bough]

How’s the shaman going

I got 1 rating away from rival 2 on mine last night lol

[severe helm]

16 yards diameter

iirc

its the "old" melee range radius

[severe helm]

makes more sense haha

[wise sequoia]

Just finished my first solo shuffle and had around 460k dps ... but forgot roll the bones 50% of the time 😛

Still enough to be highest dps though xD

[severe helm]

nice work

[potent pivot]

@jaunty osprey idk if socket chest is a set spawn anymore man

just saw one in city of threads rn

[lime oar]

Has there been any big tuning changes for sub/assa in the last month? I been away

[potent pivot]

Nope

[jaunty osprey]

rip

[jaunty osprey]

bigggggg alt games

[severe helm]

outlaw?

[jaunty osprey]

assa :^)

LOL

i did fully gear up my outlaw though with full crafted and sockets already

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Zul'jin/Jsnlol

just need to swap legs and gloves tier

[hexed pollen]

What yall do with your conquest after geared? buy daggers and vendor?

[molten hedge]

Have you played outlaw in the past when it was similar or no? If not I know you basically know how to play it from mewo notrickz and everyone else posting about it lmao

[potent pivot]

make sure u have all the crafted gear u need

then send boxes to alts n stuff

[jaunty osprey]

yo

fel bicycle is available now

@potent pivot have u done any steps to it

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, i can play all 3 rogue specs

[hexed pollen]

no alts

[spring bough]

this purple murloc suit is so troll to pvp in lol

[potent pivot]

might be bags of crafting mats you can buy

buying gear to vendor seems like such a waste

[potent pivot]

not yet, going to start it soon ig

[spring bough]

after playing some other dps... outlaws damage makes me sad lol

[potent pivot]

i feel bad for them when i see them out in the wild while on alts

just have to put them outta their misery

[spring bough]

back to alts after that one solo lmao

rocking some demon hunter

[stoic spruce]

Crackshot but instead of it being tied to subterfuge, it just causes Ace to reset the bte cooldown.
That is all...

https://tenor.com/view/assassins-creed-altair-stealth-bell-illusion-gif-17453206

[spring bough]

we would still do poop dmg

[stoic spruce]

That's fine

[vocal ginkgo]

F this

[potent pivot]

might need to re q or relog

[molten hedge]

Is doing that after 10ish mins rly the move??

[potent pivot]

after 10 minutes? no

if you're sitting in q for that much longer than the avg wait time, yes

his avg wait time shows 16min queues, but he's been in q for 51min

[molten hedge]

How long would you sit that a

Q *

[potent pivot]

i would reset the q after like 30min if the avg q time is 16min

[molten hedge]

Gotcha

[potent pivot]

if you're sitting double the avg something might be bugged

queues have always been like that idk

[molten hedge]

Ahh ok I gotcha

[waxen meteor]

did two lobbies today, feel like so different level games

lobby1, youtuber game, r1 healer priest

i started with 40, thought i am gonna get at least a 5-1, but ended up only with 4-2 😦 last round was soooo close

then second lobby, i can't believe how noob two of them are, the ww/warrior are like 1.6 ish

ww -> zug same target 247 never change

war - me war me leap me die, sap what

[outer sky]

Rip Supatease

[jaunty osprey]

oof

he needs to get off holy priest

and go disc

[outer sky]

The healer diff was insane

When he was healing it felt like we were dead the whole game no matter what

[outer sky]

For some reason it doesn't ever feel worth target swapping as a WW monk unless your current target has a literal immunity up. With the nerfs to their mobility plus all of the anti melee mechanics in this game now, it just doesn't make sense most of the time to burn mobility to get on a new target only to then need to burn more to get back on your old target. Because by then you don't have enough mobility left to avoid getting kited

[potent pivot]

beefmom too stronk

[potent pivot]

he is not having fun lmao

just popped his stream up rq

[outer sky]

Yeah I was watching it too. Tbh idk how he got to 2300

Those games felt so hopeless

Like idk what other 2300 healer is losing to him

[potent pivot]

every other healer spec in the game wdym

[outer sky]

Edited sorry

[potent pivot]

oh

idk i feel like 2300 isn't that crazy hard to get

[outer sky]

It's not

[potent pivot]

hpriest tho is insane

[outer sky]

But you still have to win

And those games were HOPELESS

Like at no point did it feel like there was a real win condition

[potent pivot]

idk i mean obviously he's gotten there somehow right

no idea

watching it, it isn't looking good lol

[jaunty osprey]

WYMMMMMMMM

[outer sky]

Yeah absolutely not lol

[jaunty osprey]

he's insane

im jk

btw

[potent pivot]

think it just depends on the dps players he gets in the lobbies too though

[jaunty osprey]

he clicks his party frames

as multi r1

[potent pivot]

i think a handful of them do

like idk if pika ever stopped doing that, i don't think he has

[outer sky]

Yeah that's not abnormal. The #1 mistweaver NA in blitz clicks his frames

[potent pivot]

i think he's also mouseover casting

on the party frames

i feel like party macros wouldn't even be hard to get used to though tbh

[outer sky]

Some people just don't see a meaningful benefit

[potent pivot]

i don't think he's even using a focus at all

[outer sky]

Does he not use focus on any of his classes?

[potent pivot]

no idea

[outer sky]

I feel like you can get away with not having a focus as a melee but he plays boomie and mage and all

Honestly for boomie and mage you probably want arena 123

[jaunty osprey]

meep?

no he doesnt

he uses mouse wheel to target party frames

[potent pivot]

in blitz

[jaunty osprey]

o

well

how do u

[outer sky]

Mysk

[jaunty osprey]

target party in blitz

ofc u

click frames

in blitz

or mouseover

lmao

[outer sky]

He does it in arena too

He's in my guild I've played with him a ton

Just trust me lol

[jaunty osprey]

ya but he isnt even 2700

in arena

[outer sky]

He only cares about RBGs

Idk why

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, so that's why im saying

in blitz, u can click frames

it's fine

in arena if you wanna be good at healing like r1 level

u def shouldnt click party frames

to heal

[potent pivot]

huh

[jaunty osprey]

mysk is not even 2700 in 3s

ever

so it doesnt matter to use him as an example for being ok to click frames in arena

[potent pivot]

i get that but why is that the number we chose

[jaunty osprey]

as a high level healer

[potent pivot]

just seemed odd to me lol

[jaunty osprey]

cause 3s achievement

but yeah, 2700 is the highest 3s achievement in-game besides the glad and r1 titles

[potent pivot]

ig

we were kinda talkin about 2.3k lobbies so i can see where he's coming from

[outer sky]

You can get glad and never hit 2.7

[jaunty osprey]

how's the shufs going zicore

i saw u got ur other rogue

to 2563

[outer sky]

I tanked a bit on my 3rd rogue but got most of it back

My other 2 are pushing 2.6

[jaunty osprey]

starlinkgamr is right next to one of my rogues on the ladder hehehehehe

[outer sky]

Idk if I can get r1 though

[jaunty osprey]

comin for u

[outer sky]

Well he's probably not going to get played for a bit because I won't queue on him until he's my lowest rated rogue

[waxen meteor]

lol that's the same priest i just played too hah

[outer sky]

I thought having 3 rogues would make this safer/easier but for the sake of time I may have to commit to just 2 if I want r1

And even then idk if I can do it. I'm always like 100 points behind

[outer sky]

Did he 0-6 with you too?

[waxen meteor]

nuh he got 5-1

i got 4-2

[outer sky]

Wtf

[waxen meteor]

honestly, i think he outplayed the disc a bit in my lobby

but bigger issue is the mage

[outer sky]

In my lobby we were all dead before the gates opened just about

[waxen meteor]

my lobby was sin/feral/frost/demo lock

that frost is a bit weak

i think he is bigger outlier in the lobby than the priests

but i can see the priest gap too

i honestly thought i would end up with 60 or 51

but sadly lost last 2 rounds

[outer sky]

What i need is a good string of melee lobbies

[potent pivot]

kinda seems like hpriest can't respond to big burst dam

[outer sky]

There was an Aug in my lobby and every time he breathed Supa had to press every button he had

[potent pivot]

yeah

he's constantly doing way more overall healing than the other healers

[jaunty osprey]

in shuffle

if u do more healing, you're prob gonna lose

that means your team is taking the dick

[waxen meteor]

i think holy priest never good at dmg reduction right?

[jaunty osprey]

at hpriest has no DR

[waxen meteor]

they just heal bigger numbers comparatively

[jaunty osprey]

mainly just heals and prevents dying

[waxen meteor]

since ancient times

[outer sky]

Honestly idc how shit hpriest is I still think serenity needs to be nerfed

Yall remember when healers needed to cast

[jaunty osprey]

YA

i miss that

[potent pivot]

i hate it but it kinda seems like they need to make pvp a completely different game man

[jaunty osprey]

too many instant panic buttons now

[waxen meteor]

and kick for 3 sec

used to be....

[potent pivot]

give us ff14 ability templates for pvp at this point

[waxen meteor]

now step kick sometimes i don't even know if it worth it

[potent pivot]

so things can actually be balanced

instead of letting some specs be dogshit for entire seasons

[waxen meteor]

it feels good when we also have gauge/kidney/blind on hand

but only to kick seems totally not worth it now

[outer sky]

I'm extremely conservative with my kicks these days

Very rarely press it

[waxen meteor]

yeah, you kick it... it doesn't matter that much, if you miss it... ....

[outer sky]

Even if they're casting in my face, it's rare a 3 second lockout is worth the risk of giving them precog

Exactly

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[potent pivot]

locking someone can win you games

[outer sky]

In blitz, as a general rule, you never kick the flag carrying mistweaver. Ever. Never ever. Because if he gets precog he's going to torpedo spam to cap and there ain't shit you can do about it. Extremely high risk and low reward

[potent pivot]

the more time they can't cast or press anything the better, the goal is to make them fall behind while you keep momentum

i think that's kinda important idk

[waxen meteor]

in solo, it's kinda common that you and your teammate kick at same time, it seems it both lockout and trigger precog

i am not sure how exactly it means to caster

maybe just precog effect but can cast only other schools?

[outer sky]

That's true @potent pivot but what I've noticed is that in a lot of cases they just won't finish the cast if you have kick. So they'll either fake cast forever or burn a CC on you to prevent getting kicked if you refuse to use it. Warlocks do this shit all the time. Like he'll be spam fake casting UA maybe 5 or 6 times and then give up and coil me to cast it. At least that way he has to burn his coil ya know

[waxen meteor]

lots of specs do that

[outer sky]

Yeah

Was just an example

[waxen meteor]

even healer bait a lot

like hpal always use blind to bait lol

it's kinda annoying

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean you have to take all that into account for sure

[waxen meteor]

i think what zicore was saying that

overall like you have probably less than 50% to shut them fo 3 sec, probably more chance to just send a precog gift

the kick on healer at clutch moment is different of course

[potent pivot]

i usually kick healers more than dps

like kicking hpal tyr's

[waxen meteor]

like when you got all bleed on target and in low hp

[potent pivot]

locking disc on whatever

[outer sky]

Vanishing and kicking from stealth is fun

[potent pivot]

etc

[waxen meteor]

i am not sure how many of them still bait

[potent pivot]

everyone wants to bait, even specs that don't use precog

like feral baiting cyclone to eat your kick, so you can't kick their healer

[outer sky]

Yeah baiting has been a thing forever

[waxen meteor]

i like to bait with my sp lol

so fun

sometimes you bait and recast too fast

they fucking kicked the second cast instantly

and i was, oh no

[outer sky]

The source of this problem is that it used to be so that if you got a kick out of the way you could actually cast. And if you got stunned or something after baiting the kick then that was a meaningful DR they just committed to delay your casting and by that point you'd almost certainly be able to finish your cast. But eventually it got to a point where you could bait a kick and then get stunned and then incapd and then feared, etc etc because everyone has so much CC and PvP turned into M+ against players so nobody even cared about the DRs anymore which means spamming CC on a caster even if it only lasted half a second was worth doing to stop a cast with no meaningful downside. That's what necessitated precog which is honestly a bandaid solution to a much larger problem with PvP in general.

Like maybe if blizzard thinks "if you succeeded in baiting a kick you should get to cast" then they should design the game to allow for that

Crazy, I know

[waxen meteor]

in a way in none clutch moment on dps spec, not kick might be best approach anyway

[outer sky]

💯

[waxen meteor]

so they will very likely to interrupt themselves continuously

you don't even need to kick

it's like they will kick themselves

[outer sky]

Yeah they'll lock themselves out longer than you could

One change I'd like to see is for getting kicked to lock a caster out of everything

Not just that "school" of magic

I'm so lazy that I'm actually considering Doordashing a sub from Wawa even though it's only half a mile from me

[potent pivot]

sometimes that's nice to do

i feel that

[inner tartan]

havnt been ative for a bit what are the spec looking like in pvp balanced or no ( 2 lazy to run a blind game im also badly geared )

[potent pivot]

rogue specs are pretty balanced

sub is a bit rough in solo shuffle

all 3 are good in blitz or 2s/3s

[inner tartan]

👍

ty

[tacit crane]

The issue is trying to balance a game for both pvp and pve

wow pvp does not have an easy entry barrier for new players

Having to sit through more than 50 matches just to learn how to play your character is rough, specially when the only solo queue gamemode can take 20+ mins just to get a game

include the button bloat and having to track a shit ton of cds from other classes and you've got a perfect recipe for a dying gamemode

Not having an influx of new players is gonna force blizzard to do something at some point

Specially when your healer base is disappearing more and more

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw most fun in 3s with people you know

[fallen scaffold]

whats with thee influx in people playing fatebound for assa in ss ?

what are pros over deathstalker

[potent pivot]

only thing is the shadowstep really

it's worse in almost every way

[wraith tangle]

Well, first two rogues on Murlok play FT, so you can make it work pretty well.

[jaunty osprey]

You can get to #1 playing any build in shuffle

Murlok doesn’t mean anything

[candid tide]

guys is this the right full cd opener at start off shuffle for outlaw?: arush+roll (stealth) > cheap shot > ghostly strike > get BTE off as much possible > 7cp killing spree

[jaunty osprey]

ghostly strike isnt on gcd btw

but build to 5+ before pressing bte

in subterfuge, and only press at 5+

[candid tide]

should ghostly strike be spend for the duration of subterfuge&bte's

or for killing spree

yeah wtf def for bte spam fs since its off gcd!

thanks for the tips!

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot @jaunty osprey what did you guys think of surv? It seems fun. Whats the good and bad. I may try it out

[verbal field]

whats a good time to use gouge?

[molten hedge]

If everything’s on DR and you want to continue a cc chain on a healer or someone who doesn’t have dots/bleeds bc it’ll insta break. Although a lot of ppl just use it as an extra interrupt on a fear or some cc

[jaunty osprey]

not bad, not amazing

But good!! Stack mastery and hit big flanks

Squishy, but bursty

Diamond ice is one of the best CCs

[tribal badger]

tankiest hunter but its too squishy to play like a pure melee (sitting in melee vs other melee zug zuging)

your biggest strength is you can do a massive portion of your dps from max range so you play around kiting melee and sticking to ranged and avoiding peoples cds

lots of free cleave and DoT gameplay as well, its my primary pvp spec this season and very fun imo

[severe helm]

tbh I rarely press it offensively nowadays with how much it was nerfed

I use it more as a defensive peel

[glass hazel]

interrupt important spell like tyr \ interrupt war after charge etc

[severe helm]

oh yeah I use gouge a lot when people are being annoying and fake casting

I use it before I use my kick

as an interrupt haha

after being gouged people almost aaalways commit to their next cast

[potent pivot]

I like it a lot

[tribal badger]

it has a lot of fun buttons and animations and its playstyle feels unique for a melee

its always been my favorite hunter spec

i just dip into MM for bg memes sometimes

[potent pivot]

It’s also just a little easier for worse players

We’ve also seen the #1 guy playing forced induction a lot in shuffle, you don’t see everyone following him though. Only a couple people. Builds in shuffle are kinda w/e for certain specs.

[severe helm]

In shuffle right as gates open I: bladeflurry->stealth->rtb then I sprint/grapple and get a sap asap THEN I adr with the target I want to open on targeted so it procs the coins(which will break stealth) but will give you max cp so you can kidney immediately after then GS->normal rotation

you really dont want to waste this imo

[jaunty osprey]

Ghostly used on CD pretty much

make sure it’s always up

[severe helm]

Yeah I only hold it if im low on energy

and I know im gona switch targets soon anyway

like if stun drs are coming up in 5seconds I'll sit on GS

[candid tide]

u dont care about losing a few sec of flurry since no adr has been used yet?

this opener seems too advanced yet

[severe helm]

doesnt matter yeah cuz flurry duration is paused after you do hit adr

so you have 10 seconds to open essentially

before flurry drops

and tbh a lot of the time I press my cancel flurry macro when I open if the killt arget is too close to the sapped healer

[candid tide]

ah yeye forgot it will have no cd at all with adr idd

yes ig u wanna get most value out of those coins

ty for the tip

[steel scarab]

2100 was pretty easy, but how bad is 2400 this season?

[severe helm]

one way to find out haha

[gritty peak]

is the pvp weapon appearance banger this season?

[potent pivot]

the elite weapons are the same as the conquest weapons, but white instead of red

[gritty peak]

whoops I meant the weapon enchant illusion

[verbal field]

Its meh imo

[tribal badger]

other then elite mog this seasons stuff is meh yea

i dont think the elite weapons match any of my mogs which kinda kills my willingness to sit in 30m queues

😴

guess i should get for future mogs

[potent pivot]

the enchant is garbage

the elite weapons aren't too bad

[outer sky]

It's easy I have 3 rogues above 2500 right now and on my most recent one I cleared 2400 within 2 days of hitting 80. Problem I've been having lately is getting lobbies with multiple paladins so every match has 3+ BoPs

[golden wind]

Hey all ok so if im starting on the pvp side where is best place to get starter gear and weapons?

[jaunty osprey]

Auction house - algari gear to start getting 613 ilvl pvp gear

and then honor gear sold at 626 ilvl is in dornogal by the training dummies

and then conquest gear is there too

[golden wind]

im lvl 70

[potent pivot]

then finish leveling

[golden wind]

would it same thing

[jaunty osprey]

Bloody tokens are awarded at 100 per world quest done, with warmode on that’s 636 ilvl

just hit 80

Dont worry about gear until then

[potent pivot]

you don't want to pvp until level 80

[golden wind]

ah ok so no pvp till max

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah 😦

[golden wind]

got it any particular reason?

[potent pivot]

i think regular battlegrounds scale with level

but all other pvp does not

you will die in 1 global

idk if BGs even scale with level now

[jaunty osprey]

Regular BGs are full of scaled down level 80s

duoing with their friends

[golden wind]

got it thank alot for all your help yall

[jaunty osprey]

Hope to u back soon at level 80!!

[golden wind]

just might im a noob on the pvp scene so i will have plenty of questions... thax

[jolly sierra]

welp if u have not holy wielders classes

it works for my pally

[languid ravine]

I ve played WoW for three hours today aka 15 minutes

and for the one hour of blitz I earned a grand total of -400 mmr and 800 honour

[wary thistle]

rough, is it even worth it

I'd rather my rando bg experience not be tied to a rating, that way if it's a wreck at least I don't really have to care in the end

[glass hazel]

wish i knew how to press buttons -_- hard stack in 1900-2000 bracket :x

esp against plate damage feels so low i dunno

any advice?

i feel like i dont do any noticeable damage till like 100s after start against pally\dk\war

how to deal with plates since you cant just tank them in face, they do more damage and have more hp 😦

[potent pivot]

i think in general rogue does well vs plate classes

pally is a bit annoying for assa but eh

[glass hazel]

probably need more games then 🙂 not enough exp still dont know some abilities as well

[steel scarab]

That's fair, but you're probably also much much better than I am lol. I sort of meant, how hard is it for a maybe slightly above average rogue

[potent pivot]

I think we do really well into warriors and DKs

[steel scarab]

And @outer sky I agree, two paladins bringing two BOPs to a match is just absolutely maddening against us when we have to set up a bunch of bleeds in order to kill people. It's rough enough that druids and mages routinely wipe all our damage with their cc

Even worse when the opponents also get multiple full immunities to us in addition to all the healer CDs and the personal defensives

I would say maybe Kingsbane could be a solution to push damage through a low HP BOP, but Kingsbane is so horrendously nerfed in pvp that it isn't worth the talent point anymore

[wraith tangle]

I would disagree, KB rules. I usually do 2,5 - 3mil dmg for its duration. It is absolutely lethal with Deathmark

[glass hazel]

well there is nothing to take that will do damage anyway

and it hits like full cp envenom

[glass hazel]

oh my first 6\0 ;x

melee lobby

haha

every fight 30s

gg

so 72 is maximum?

[molten hedge]

Playing ele this week and purging bops makes my soul happy for my physical dmg dealing partner

I had triple pally earlier. 2 rets and an hpal

[potent pivot]

72 what? CR? CR gains are based on your MMR and the MMR of the others in the lobby

[glass hazel]

yeah cr, my cr equal to mmr rn

[potent pivot]

there isn't really a max like there is for blitz

[glass hazel]

i see, so if my mmr will be higher no matter what rating still can gain more

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

[glass hazel]

thanks

[jaunty osprey]

Outside of placements, it’s possible to gain 130+

Depending on lobby of mmr, personal mmr, and cr

[outer sky]

if one of them is a holy pally then it's 3 bops

that talent really needs to go

[steel scarab]

It's great if you have 10 seconds of uninterrupted melee uptime on your target, yes. But it's hard to get the coordination to pull that off in SS

[outer sky]

Deathmark only increases its damage by 4%

I think KB is meh

I'll play it into shit where I know I wont be able to cleave

But when I do I all in and play it with cold blood and badge

[wraith tangle]

I meant it KB plus buffed dmg for Rupture and Garrot (plus Deathmark dot itself).

[mystic pasture]

New rogue here. I am just looking for a basic list of openers as Assassination in PVP. E.g. one for caster, one for everyone else. I would like to try to get the muscle memory down as I finish levelling. thanks in advance 🙂

I have been doing CS>Garrote> Shiv>Rupture>Mut>Mut (to 5)>Env

[outer sky]

doesn't really do anything. Honestly I'd settle for them removing all damage from deathmark and instead just making it a CD that instantly applies full duration garrote, rupture, and crimson tempest (if talented) and for it's duration on your target your bleeds cannot be removed

That would be such a better button

[spring bough]

Sounds like Reddit likes the idea of Bard for a new class from this survey that went out

[potent pivot]

need to ambush somewhere in there for Deathstalker's Mark

[mystic pasture]

early on? or does it matter?

[potent pivot]

earlier the better imo

[mystic pasture]

CS>Ambush?

[potent pivot]

has to be during subterfuge

so if you get CC'd during your window you might not get the chance if you do it later

usually cs->gar->ambush->rupture->etc

[mystic pasture]

ok thanks. And shiv can come after rupture but before mut?

[potent pivot]

sure

we also build with fan of knives if we can hit 2 or more players

and upkeep crimson tempest if you can hit 2+ targets (including pets)

[mystic pasture]

thanks so much, I will give that a go as i finish up levelling tonight. It will be my first max level rogue in my entire long WoW career

[glass hazel]

prepare to die a lot haha

[sour coral]

so do you think quaking palm from pandaren opens up that talent point in gouge or do i want a second gouge

[outer sky]

What else would you take that you think would be better than gouge?

[sour coral]

Ah I was looking at the blind one but the reduced duration is meh

double gouge it is!

Oh nooo more cc

[outer sky]

So you guys know how in SS if someone on both teams dies, then both teams lose?

I just found out that if one person on your team dies but TWO people on their team die, then you win

[glass hazel]

i had 1 dead each side

lost first one

there was less than 2s diff

so it is not draw

haha got 480 hpal into 2k mmr he was complaining a lot

like it is my second time in area why i'm here 😄

arena

[outer sky]

its not a draw. Both teams lose

It will say you lose

to everyone

next time it happens check the "rounds won" tab and you'll see it didnt change for anyone after that happens

[vocal ginkgo]

Hey @potent pivot if I recall correctly you recommended an addon or some way to make all your keybinds similar on all your characters, can you remind me how to do it pls? Ty

[glass hazel]

ah okay i will try

[vocal ginkgo]

Found it nvm!

[potent pivot]

You can do that with default settings. You don’t need myslot for that.

Myslot is for when you have alts of the same class

[jolly sierra]

ye, that counts as an L for both

and the max win for that shuffle is 5 instead 6

it already happened to me like 5 times

its annoying

[potent pivot]

looks like they're making sure we don't use the new ring in pvp thank god

[steel scarab]

Can confirm, I've had this happen

[steel scarab]

Thank God indeed!

[stoic spruce]

Adrenaline Rush but it's just Avatar

[outer sky]

but if 2 people on their team die and only 1 on yours does, you win

[jaunty osprey]

False, the game doesn’t count at all

It acted like it never happened, in your statistics and all

If you “draw” all 6 round, it will add 0 games to your history

[outer sky]

Has it never happened to you? It says "round lost" for everyone in the lobby. I'll clip it next time it happens to me

[jaunty osprey]

I know I’m 10000% right too on that

It will say it, but check your statistics if you ever get a tie

It will go up 5 total rounds, not 6

[outer sky]

Yeah I know that

[jaunty osprey]

The round lost doesn’t mean anything

i drew 5 rounds one time and won 1

that’s how I know

I got mmr and rating and total rounds went up by 1

Draws acted like the game never happened

So if you won 3 and drew won, you went 3-2 and go up mmr and rating

[severe helm]

It only says that

So if you have one draw but you win 2 rounds it calculates it as 2/5

[wise sequoia]

How does speed/slow stacking work in WoW?

Say I normally run at 130% move speed, but then a DK use chains of ice, slowing me by 90% ...
Do I run 130-90=40% or 130*0.1=13%?
Then I use sprint ... does that add 100% or double my speed?

And what if my speed cant be slowed below 70% because of fatebound talent ... then chains of ice slows me down to 70% -> but then I use sprint ... whats my speed then?

[severe helm]

Doesn't stack

Biggest slow is what you receive

Afaik

So like if you have a 30% slow and a 70% slow then you're just slowed by 70%

[severe helm]

I think the 70% minimum is done at the end

So if you sprint to 200% speed then chains takes you down to 60% but then the talent puts you at 70

So you'd still be at 70 p sure

[jaunty osprey]

for that exact scenario

YOU'LL BE 70%

oops caps

you can't be slowed below 70%, it's basically like death's advance for DK

but at 70% instead of 100%

[severe helm]

@jaunty osprey do you know how many shuffles I need to do before I get the free heraldries for crafting?

[potent pivot]

i think it's 4-6

[jaunty osprey]

shuffles is 3

just do a BG

BG is first one

just got my 4th rogue

in r1 range

xd

[potent pivot]

I think it can also depend on if you win the shuffles maybe

[jaunty osprey]

brawl is the easiest though

i think i get it first brawl

[potent pivot]

I’ve had ppl tell me it took 6 but idk wasn’t me personally

Yeah

I knocked all mine out during comp stomp because I was farming them anyway

[severe helm]

oh thats way more than I thought

guess we go agane

[severe helm]

brawl not blitz?'

[jolly sierra]

is that even possible?

3 persons dying at same time?

[severe helm]

ofc

[jaunty osprey]

ye brawl

[outer sky]

Yeah why wouldn't it be

[severe helm]

yeah when damp is that high

it happens

[jaunty osprey]

welp

im making 2 more rogues right now

[severe helm]

LOL

bro

how many

is that

6?

[jaunty osprey]

5 atm

[outer sky]

I may make a 4th

But idk I have my hands full with 3

[jaunty osprey]

idk, r1 so free

for me

LMAO

[severe helm]

yeah im sure itll get more competitive towrads the end of the season

[jaunty osprey]

ehh

i think only val and i win at insane %s

every other assa

[outer sky]

My 3rd rogue is hard stuck in the low 2500s

[jaunty osprey]

is like 60%

i do have to farm legend wins though

maybe i do that as outlaw? idk

[outer sky]

My prediction for myself is that I'll be 2 or 3 slots behind the r1 cutoff as is my luck

I do plan to close my store for the last week of the season and try and grind it out though

[jaunty osprey]

we'll get another slot open

in a few weeks

5 slots atm not including alts

Me, Val, Jw, Mik, Ha

[indigo lava]

Hello @jaunty osprey

[jaunty osprey]

[outer sky]

Are all of you playing the supercharger build?

[jaunty osprey]

jsnsix/jsonjr isnt

playing standard bleed build

with 2 set

ivanrah and jsnlol are playing supercharger

jw is playing cold blood kingsbane with fatebound

val is playing standard bleed build

[indigo lava]

i need 1 more game to hit 2.4k , can you give me some advice please as assa rogue

[jaunty osprey]

would need a vod

[outer sky]

So the build I choose to play won't be a limiting factor is what you're saying

[severe helm]

Ive done 3 shuffels though and I didnt get one

the quest just automatically shows up right?

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

the build does nothing for u

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey do you do free vod reviews?

[severe helm]

ive done like 4 skirms and 3 full shuffles

[jaunty osprey]

ofc

[severe helm]

and Im not getting these fucking heraldries

im annoyed lol

[jaunty osprey]

skirmish

doesnt give

do a brawl

[outer sky]

I'll have to send you one from my next lobby

[potent pivot]

it should

[jaunty osprey]

yeah it shows up automatically, maybe it's based off round wins in shuffle?

i've never had it from skirmish hmmm

[jaunty osprey]

kk bet, just @ me

i would say though

if it's a melee lobby, play standard bleed build

[severe helm]

I mean im winning lol

[outer sky]

Yeah if you can cleave easily it's def good

[severe helm]

game hate sme

[jaunty osprey]

it's racist

it hates u

also

i would say, 2 set is better than 4 set

[potent pivot]

it can take quite a few skirms

[jaunty osprey]

for assa

the loss of vers and mastery is equal to the gain u get from tier

but u get extra DR

[outer sky]

So I thought the same thing for a while so I went into a skirm and tested it. Not running 4 set and instead using vers/mastery gear in it's place buffed my bleed damage by only 1.7%. After that I swapped to 4 set. Idk why it's like that

[jaunty osprey]

i dont think the gain of crit/haste is worth it personally - obviouslly the extra crit/haste sims higher, but in a pvp situation 2 set just feels better

[severe helm]

you dont get them from random bg either lol

trying blitz now

I mean brawl

then gona do blitz

[jaunty osprey]

lmaooo

[potent pivot]

did you win?

[jaunty osprey]

i was wondering who pinged me in outlaw

[potent pivot]

you def get em from a bg

[jaunty osprey]

yeah that's why i said brawl

i got it first brawl

during comp stomp week

on 2 chars

[outer sky]

What are we talking about?

The thing that gets a new character 9 heraldries?

[potent pivot]

ye

[outer sky]

I can confirm it drops from skirms

[jaunty osprey]

damn prob takes a fair amount then

[severe helm]

FINALLY

brawl did it

[jaunty osprey]

LFGGGGGGG

[tropic zinc]

Do you guys have a Sappable weak aura that works?

[potent pivot]

betterblizzframes has it i'm pretty positive

[tropic zinc]

addon or weak aura?

[potent pivot]

addon

[tropic zinc]

cool, ill check it out

[verbal field]

!guide

[lethal roost]

Rogue Guides:
WoWhead: https://www.wowhead.com/classes#rogue
Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides

[outer sky]

Last 3 lobbies have just been 3-3 becasue of healer diff man it's so annoying

[old brook]

absolute dogshit the other dps got points, however minimal, and you got zero

[old brook]

bbp definitely has one that is clean and convenient:

same author

"combat indicator" with the ability to toggle the sap icon for it is bis

[glass hazel]

did you see patch notes guys?

every class except us get buffed

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-0-7-class-tuning-affliction-warlock-unholy-dk-holy-paladin-holy-priest-353865?utm_source=discord-webhook

[glass hazel]

yeah i forgot to provide link 😄

[jaunty osprey]

:p all good

Hpal melee wings build got a big nerf

[glass hazel]

arms 20% buff to core abilities is crazy

[jaunty osprey]

teammates cant transfer while IMMUNE CCd (diamond ice, clone, etc) and u cant transfer while ANY cc

[glass hazel]

oh thats good, cause hpal way too strong

[jaunty osprey]

To be fair, arms is pretty bad

But idk why both fury and arms needs to be good

[severe helm]

Did we need buffs?

[halcyon timber]

forum quibbling is usually warriors and dh hijacking everything

[severe helm]

Feel like assa and outlaw are definitely good right now

Sub is in its weird niche spot where if it's not S tier then no one plays it

But it's still strong imo

[halcyon timber]

Yeah its all cool atm. No big deal.

Arms will still leap behind pillars and get dunked on by a shaman and blame the healer and repeat the process heh

[glass hazel]

sure, i want dots to be not removed by bop

[severe helm]

Lol nice try

Wouldn't matter tbh

It's still a save

[glass hazel]

i mean like via dm

for example

[severe helm]

You won't kill through it regardless

So it doesn't change much

[glass hazel]

at least dont need to apply it again)

bop dwarf etc

esp if lobby 3 paladins

[severe helm]

I mean that's so minor haha

[glass hazel]

you just afk there

[severe helm]

No

There's 2 other people

You do what every other melee spec does

And switch targets lol

[glass hazel]

yeah i know just it takes so many time to apply everything from non stealth and i feel frustrated it being removed so easily

[severe helm]

That just happens to suck more for assa

That's more of an assa problem

Bop just highlights it

[jaunty osprey]

I love how ppl on forum and reddit are complaining that there is tuning but no mmr changes

and i dont see why or how mmr changes would affect them at all

It has never been easier to get 2100, which is the elite weapons, enchant, elite mogs (1800), etc etc

a fresh char is already above 1900 mmr in shuffle

2400 isnt meant for everyone, but it’s still relatively easier than every season except DF S1

[glass hazel]

only thing i dont like about mmr it doesnt "look" at exp

liek if it is newbie never played pvp ever and it get thrown into 1.9-2k bracket it is not good expirience 🙂

ideally should start from 1.5 or smth and if you ever reach 1.8 you start from 1.9

[severe helm]

Mmr is super deflated rn

In everything except blitz

People don't like being lower rated than previous seasons just because of deflation

It's discouraging

[jaunty osprey]

It’s not blizzard’s fault

people just need to queue up

Mmr is DIRECTLY tied to participation

When people like bigdam has 15 shamans at 2.7k but never queues them at 2700 cr, the other people at 2700 cr are left queuing into his 2600 shamans and lose mmr for 3-3, making it hard for the top end of the ladder to increase

nothing wrong with him not queuing at all though

Eu consistently has queues at high ratings, they’re at 2850 cr/mmr now and a lot of people are 2700

That’s almost the same as verdant season with a lot of time left

and equally almost close to obsidian season

People need to stop thinking their DF S1 rating or DF S4 rating (didn’t reset mmr at all because it was an extra s4) is where they’re supposed to be

[severe helm]

yeah but its also subjectively tied to "skill"

its antequated af

instead of ranking display starting at 2400+ it should always be there

and it should also have a percentile attached to it

so you know how high up you are

even when 2400 is r1 cutoff lol

cuz like obv a 2400 player right now vs a 2400 player from like s2 SL are VERY different

[severe helm]

theres no reason to queue up

until the end of season

cuz all the rewards are harder to get right now than they will be later

so why would you queue

their own system is what causes these issues

the playres are just playing the system

you have to incentivize them to queue up somehow or better yet change the ranking system to allow achievments like glad to be the same difficulty to accomplish at any point in the season

glad should be 50 wins above 0.5% or something instead of an arbitrary 2400

[jaunty osprey]

I mean yeah, but’s the same as any game.

PVPers just feel super entitled for some reason.

Why do you need a reward to queue up? You pay for the game, just play the game

If you want to be competitive, then try to push for your goals

These players just waiting until the last 2 weeks to queue to try to get legend or whatever are contributing to the problem.

You think League players wait till the end of season? No, they just queue it up and play and try to reach their goals

They’re not playing the system. The system is playing them. These guys are paying a monthly sub to not play the game they want to play

[jolly sierra]

we have entilted people here

the biggest example is when someone says something and other one asks for ur current rating

[severe helm]

well no most games do divisions based on percentile

[jolly sierra]

when that happens just tell that person it doesnt worth the chat if is related to ur rating

[severe helm]

so most games dont have this issue

cuz you can get "high rated" at any point in the season

this is exclusively a wow thing

if youre a diamond player in league its just as easy to be diamond at the start as at the end

for the most part

if youre a glad/2400 player in wow

[jaunty osprey]

Not necessarily, look at it as Elite = masters

Duelist = diamond

Rival = plat

Etc

[severe helm]

it can be MAGNITUDES harder

[jaunty osprey]

It’s the same shit

[jolly sierra]

isnt diamond duelist?

ye

[severe helm]

yeah but duelist is static rating bro

[jolly sierra]

thought that

XD

[severe helm]

not percentile

[jaunty osprey]

it’s literally

[severe helm]

thats different

its literally

different

[jaunty osprey]

The same thing

[severe helm]

no

its not

bro

what

duelist is not percentile based

in legaue "plat" is based on your RANK not rating

entirely different

thats why wows system sucks

you can be R1 and be a duelist

[jaunty osprey]

you have lp in each rank which is basically a rating system

[severe helm]

for the first month of the season r1 was like 2200

[jaunty osprey]

If you’re duelist

You’re top 2% or whatever it is

[severe helm]

yeah but thats scaled for that division

again

the simple fact is that in wow, glad/duelist/challenger have vastly different difficulties based on what point in the season youre at

[jaunty osprey]

the first few weeks of league seasons, no1 is challenger 1000 lp either

[severe helm]

in ALL other games(afaik) this is not the case

[jaunty osprey]

it’s the same shit

lol

[severe helm]

yeah but "challenger" is defined by ranking

again

[jaunty osprey]

League also has diff difficulties

based on point in season

[severe helm]

diamond isnt some explicit "LP" value

wow would be SO much better if they changed it to be like other games

10000x better

people would play

[jaunty osprey]

I was masters twice and d1 before masters came out

[vocal surge]

Lets not forget that rank is more legit than WoW PvP's Rating system

[jaunty osprey]

It gers way easier end of season