i got tremblade to like 60%, but then killing spree killed me. Does nearly every time, it causes you to glitch through the boat and fall.
#pvp
thorn basalt
also has a weird interaction with the rocket powered flight pack thingy that you get when you jump off. You can just keep flying around with it, it goes down very very slow for some reason
potent pivot
(yes lol)
languid ravine
Enemy team in Isle of Conquest stalling so hard, I came out of the epic BG with 3k honour kek
gray dune
how many valorstones do you get from pvp lol? Just curious cuz i cant find anything saying how many
potent pivot
doubt that. still getting million plus BTEs
ye but lower averages, less globals, etc
spring bough
yeah i doubt that too. you and meow keep trolling me every time i post something ima just keep posting.
potent pivot
i don't think we're trolling
spring bough
yeah i doubt that too. all the passive aggressive "kekdog" meme dogs and that too. i love it. keep it up
potent pivot
yeah i doubt that too. you and meow keep trolling me every time i post something...
i also have never said you shouldn't post whatever you'd like to post
but idk what you expect when you post about stuff like mastery stacking outlaw
i also don't know how you can doubt that your other abilities are doing less damage because you're stacking more mastery over crit or vers, that's kind of just facts
severe helm
yeah i doubt that too. you and meow keep trolling me every time i post something...
I mean I'm just being realistic with the value. Even if your main gauche is top damage at like 16%, how much crit chance did you give up to get there? Have to just consider the numbers more directly I think it's misleading to assume something being high on your breakdown is a heavy indication that it's just a better build if there isn't that much quantitative reasoning behind it. But I've also said after vers all the other secondaries are viable but I wouldn't go so far as to say any one of them is insanely better than another
gleaming pawn
these back to back Comp Stomp weeks with all the extra honor is tanking the price of Bloodstones, they are down ~3k from where they were before 😦
severe helm
Isn't that a good thing haha
gleaming pawn
not when I am selling them to make some extra money!
potent pivot
the cheaper the better i still need to socket all my alts 
severe helm
not when I am selling them to make some extra money!
haha let us scrubs catch up!
steel scarab
I mean I'm just being realistic with the value. Even if your main gauche is top ...
I don't play Outlaw. I have no idea how to play Outlaw. But I'll toss my hat in the ring here, just to play devil's advocate.
Isn't crit power mitigated significantly in pvp? Instead of a 2x crit, like in pve, isn't it like 1.5 in pvp? Or maybe I'm misremembering and it's worse than I stated: 1.5x in pve, and 1.2 in pvp or something?
steel scarab
Assassination rogues in pvp tend to run practically no crit despite it being a great pve Stat, particularly for Fatebound (extra Seal Fate procs and the crit-based damage mitigation talent), but it's just so much worse than mastery and vers
potent pivot
you wouldn't run crit on assa for damage
you'd run it for combo point generation, like some did towards the end of DF
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot https://www.twitch.tv/saul/clip/PricklyPerfectMouseTheRinger-gDIEEgrCnRByDtaM lil cute dfa i just did
steel scarab
With fatebound it surely helps damage, since Fatebound doesn't get free envenom crits like Deathstalker does iirc
potent pivot
you're talking about an extra 1% crit in pve type deal
steel scarab
But, agreed, it's more for cp gen. But regardless, it still makes it a theoretically valuable stat in pvp, but it just... isn't
jaunty osprey
i mean
the reason why mastery is better on assa in pvp
is that you dont have 100% uptime
so your downtime, your bleeds ticking harder = more damage
especially when you have 3x bleeds out
and crit being nerfed
in pve it's crit > mastery > haste > vers for cleave builds
if u were to apply the crit nerf to pve as well, im sure mastery would be better
regardless of hero talent
steel scarab
I would argue that the real reason mastery is better in pvp for sin is because it takes so little mastery to move the mastery needle 1%, whereas it takes so much more crit value to increase crit by 1%. And yes, right, exactly, the pvp crit nerf is the nail in the coffin
Again, take my words with a grain of salt, I don't play Outlaw and I know nothing about it
Just spitfiring
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> https://www.twitch.tv/saul/clip/PricklyPerfectMouseTheRing...
damn i was hoping it was about to be a DfA killing blow on Saul while you spammed L tier
potent pivot
clean though
jaunty osprey
LMAO
steel scarab
@jaunty osprey bear in mind that if your argument about crit vs mastery were to hold water, you'd have to assume that bleeds can't crit, and since ticking dots are affected by mastery, it's clearly the superior pvp stat since we don't have 100% uptime and every moment we're not in melee range, it's a wasted stat. But dots can crit
Also, crit strikes off Fan auto apply our poisons, which is utility
jaunty osprey
well
no
im not assuming that
like i said
we dont have 100% uptime
so we arent
mutilating as much
we arent
fan of knives
we arent autoing
as much
etc
so we arent getting full value of crit
in addition to
pet sac being so prevalent
and denounce and other things
and curse of weakness
you just lose value in pvp by stacking crit when you cant crit from 3 very popular classes when it's already a nerfed stat
steel scarab
Right but crit % makes the dots crit. "Full value" suggests the stats are fully balanced against each other, like 1% crit = 1% mastery, and since we don't have max uptime we're "losing" part of the stat
But the real reasons are, as you correctly said
steel scarab
It's a nerfed stat in pvp, and
steel scarab
Right, because it's not a nerfed stat in pvp
jaunty osprey
if you arent autoing, mutilating, using fan, etc
steel scarab
Like imagine if mastery was 75% effective in pvp, like crit is
It would be a heck of a lot less attractive
jaunty osprey
mastery would still sim higher
u're 100% wrong
like not even a discussion
if you were to put it into raidbots
lime oar
anyone still need hateforged blazecycle?
jaunty osprey
that you have 0% uptime every 30s for 10-15 seconds
lime oar
i have an extra code
steel scarab
Do the crit strikes off the bleeds mean that little in pvp?
potent pivot
anyone still need hateforged blazecycle?
you aren't trying to sell it are you
lime oar
free
potent pivot
ok
steel scarab
Imagine you somehow achieve 0% crit
lime oar
i gotchu
potent pivot
selling it wouldn't be allowed in the server 
steel scarab
At some point there's a trade off, right, where like, 5% crit is worth losing some amount of mastery for
potent pivot
i'll take it
you don't have one yet?
steel scarab
Same with haste, haste is a terrible pvp stat, but you need a bit
potent pivot
oh
lime oar
im canadian
in ontario here, had my homie in texas hook me up w two codes
potent pivot
pog get that man a bike
jaunty osprey
If you lose uptime, you're only getting value of the crit stat EVERY SO OFTEN, whereas bleeds you have 100% uptime
you dont need
haste either
as sin rogue
potent pivot
i might have extra points soon too but i wanna snag that belt
jaunty osprey
pvp is completely diff than pve
jaunty osprey
in ontario here, had my homie in texas hook me up w two codes
ontario too!!
steel scarab
0% haste? In pvp? Why does every top rated rogue have a tiny bit of haste? Like 3-4%? Just gear issues, or laziness?
potent pivot
trinket
steel scarab
I use that haste trinket, do they all use it?
potent pivot
mostly
steel scarab
Do they use that one simply because the other option is that terrible? what's the other option, I genuinely dunno
jaunty osprey
well
i only swapped to alacrity trinket today
but it has 60% uptime
compared to badge being 1 min cd
alacrity gives haste
steel scarab
I like the alacrity trinket
potent pivot
Do they use that one simply because the other option is that terrible? *what's t...
badge is good
jaunty osprey
and our tier helm gives haste
steel scarab
Yeah I believe I use the tier helm too
lime oar
literally my guild discord yday
DMed u
jaunty osprey
kk
lime oar
potent pivot
shoutout to u, real mvp
you've been initiated into the biker club?
jaunty osprey
VROOM VROOM
severe helm
I don't play Outlaw. I have no idea how to play Outlaw. But I'll toss my hat in ...
yeah definitely crit isnt as high value in overall dam as it is in pve but mastery isnt more value as a result. Mastery is just as bad in pvp as in pve its just comparitively better to crit
other than vers, all 3 secondaries are pretty bad so you can even make mastery work
but none of them are "good" by any means so its not like going all mastery or all crit is game changing
question isnt which one is good the question is which one sucks the least hahaha
most people say crit is the one that sucks the least considering the only burst damage that outlaw really has comes from crackshot windows and even though crit is nerfed in pvp, BtE still has a higher crit modifier than the rest of your kit and its your main finisher during your burst window
proven field
im at about 55% mastery on this alt and getting MG crits of 350-400k now
pretty fun but you need to ninja-dodge downtime
steel scarab
yeah definitely crit isnt as high value in overall dam as it is in pve but maste...
That's fair!
kind quartz
does halo break stealth if you're not in combat with the priest?
orchid plinth
Did a 0-6 yesterday, that killed my mojo. Havne't played in a long time and I reeeeeally don't enjoy Sub (in Shuffle)... Logged my Arms Warrior and played 2s instead 
I Really gotta get some Assa or Outlaw gear setup, I can't stand this shit in Shuffle my brain is pea.
frail knot
At what combo point do we evis instead of backstab as sub? Like where is the breakpoint 5?
potent pivot
At what combo point do we evis instead of backstab as sub? Like where is the bre...
5 or more
blissful peak
i'm not sure if full mastery or full vers feels better on sub right now
long shore
did poisons always have a 30% chance to apply rate?
i remembered back in the day it used to be 50%? or maybe im imagining things
ionic crown
so sub completely dead?
lone anvil
so sub completely dead?
Nah, I wouldn't go to Subway but there's plenty of good viable options. Penn Station, Jersey Mike's, Firehouse subs, Jimmy Johns
And depending on the pizza shop it's usually not hard to find a good Italian
lime oar
Jersey mikes is the goat
gleaming pawn
Firehouse Subs has too much sugar in everything so it’s all too sweet. But Jersey Mikes and Jimmy John’s are top tier
halcyon timber
Nah, I wouldn't go to Subway but there's plenty of good viable options. Penn Sta...
Firehouse is sick af and jersey mikes. Highly recommend those.
proven field
hook n ladder all day
halcyon timber
I dig the Italian too
gleaming pawn
Their bread might as well be cake!
fervent shell
nice disguise
spring bough
25 wins at elite in blitz. Think my seasons done lol
severe helm
does halo break stealth if you're not in combat with the priest?
dont think so actually
halo only hits targets youre in combat with
kind quartz
yeah i just found out a moment ago first hand
sucks for priests
they lost a search for dungeon usability of a spell
kind quartz
xd
severe helm
you could press it at the start of an arena and get the rogue out every time
im glad its the way it is
severe helm
thats very different haha
you can sap a dh through eyes a good amount of th etime
you cant sap from 45 yards away
proven field
Mannnnnn Fatebound ToK you are like Neo in the Matrix
eventually I am just cross-cornering on the diagonal to LoS 4 people while we tick the last 100 for the win
we lucked out that 4-5 of them got so horny chasing me that we went from down 300 to up 89 for win
spring bough
What kind of a godless person AFKs a base defense
And then after the eots base switch. Just sits at a dead node 😭
gleaming pawn
Blitz is a real game mode though! And totally not RNG for getting real teammates and not morons
spring bough
I’m utterly amazed at some of the stuff I see lol
long shore
You guys prefer trickster more for BG / Shuffles,?
The aoe clesve actually feels pretty nice
spring bough
I play trick almost 99% of the time on solo. Blitz is another story lol
long shore
I play trick almost 99% of the time on solo. Blitz is another story lol
Yeah I started playing trickster over deathstalker and enjoying it alot more
spring bough
Depends on the map. Four hooks stops DR/FR cap before enemy team can even get it
long shore
Feel less energy starved and dance starved
long shore
Depends on the map. Four hooks stops DR/FR cap before enemy team can even get it
But once the BG starts you can't change spec right ?
Meaning you got to queue as outlaw
spring bough
yeah u cant change spec at all even before the match starts
gray dune
whats the go to for conquest farming? Trying to gear up 2 alts and Blitz is only giving like 75 on a win now
like im geared just no tier yet for pvp
long shore
yeah u cant change spec at all even before the match starts
Got it. Sub trickster feels nice for solo blitz too.
People play deathstalker cause it's slightly more damage right
lime oar
I thought tricks is bis for blitz simply for the extra reach on sap
proven field
Depends on the map. Four hooks stops DR/FR cap before enemy team can even get it
4 hooks on ToK lets you effectively kite with orbs forever, it's amazing
proven field
"corner corner they on me! cloak, evasion! 7 seconds...ok ok corner corner Smoke! 7 more seconds..." just love it
Kinda loving high mastery trickster though, even though there are a few famine periods the burst just seems way better (or at least more fun)
Not full - but heavy:
burnt spade
I'm at a bit of an impasse on what to do next. I'm full conq/mythic tier except for 2 tier pieces. I'm out of catalyst charges, which means those will need to sit at 626 for a while. Should I drop my 4 set to run at 639, or keep it where it is for now. Assassination spec.
lime oar
I run 2 set on assa cuz I mained sub at first
The difference isn’t noticeable imo
At all
burnt spade
word
jolly sierra
i just play 2set personally
because 2 isnt even a direct dmg increase
and just to few bleeds
glass hazel
also some tier stats just bad
jolly sierra
ye
tall sleet
is sub worse then assa? why..?
jaunty osprey
I run 2 set on assa cuz I mained sub at first
I run 2 set on my new assa rogue that I just made and got to #3 shuf on it yday
dont notice any diff in damage; and I have more vers so
2 set is good!$
jolly sierra
is sub worse then assa? why..?
nerfs
lime oar
2 set is good!$
Yeah agreed. Think the stats and vers are a bit more worth. Esp for me I’m kinda ass and having some more vers helps me survive lol
jolly sierra
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCSL__lN1EJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
average bg where u call out the noob be like
lime oar
Is end of season actually a better time to que SS? Everyone says it but what makes it so? Just everyone trying last minute to grab rewards?
jolly sierra
Is end of season actually a better time to que SS? Everyone says it but what mak...
u will find a lot of desperate ppl instead the mglads and r1 usually u do in mid and early season
so should be easier
and ye, i do that usually
because i lack both the time and patience to push forward
glass hazel
isnt it mid yet? season should be till feb or smth
idle root
my shuffle popped at 5min, someone declined, popped again instantly, someone declined, im 20mins in now 
glass hazel
thats normal
idle root
RARE
lime oar
Yeah season gonna end in Feb I think
lime oar
because i lack both the time and patience to push forward
Same. I can squeeze in like 1 or 2 games a day. Barely. I play quite a few hours but a lot of that is interrupted play cuz family.
jolly sierra
Same. I can squeeze in like 1 or 2 games a day. Barely. I play quite a few hours...
ye i have the job
and today i have the night shift
so im barely awake
and just do cata dailies for gold and pay a token
severe helm
Is end of season actually a better time to que SS? Everyone says it but what mak...
end is always best if your goal is like certain rating achieves
every bracket always inflates as season goes on
so getting 2.4 for example will always be easier at the end than early on
sage sable
what stats should I focus on for sub pvp?
jolly sierra
versa mastery
sage sable
ty!
molten hedge
Been struggle bussing on sub in shuffles at 1.8k. Sent 3 on assa first time in a week and hit a ssn high almost 2250 lmaooo.
@potent pivot does Assa like to kidney KT for internal bleeding or is it fine to kidney the healer
idle root
<@629463378250956810> does Assa like to kidney KT for internal bleeding or is it...
rupture applies internal bleeding too
molten hedge
Oh right. I thought kidney did something extra
So we deff like kidney on healer then
idle root
as assa i like to kidney kill target but theres no problem in sneding it on healer
cheap shot healer into kidney kill target and send it
altho i hate it that a racial can just remove sin's main cd
stupid af
lime oar
kidney bomb has been huge on assa for me, prob is most of my kills
Vanish, refresh improved garrote and ruptures, kidney bomb and cc healer as he runs in
lime oar
Yee I feel like it just works a lot smoother on assa then sub. As long as I have bleeds and everything already pumping on em
potent pivot
Feel less energy starved and dance starved
It should feel the opposite
Trickster is the energy starved spec
severe helm
20min queue for a prot lobby
hate this so much
hazy monolith
gotta have to track that buff
severe helm
you should be able to see it if you just target them
its technically a debuff
might be able to set up a wa to make it more obvious
hazy monolith
ye im just checking out the id in skirm
I hope its the same across all game modes 
gray dune
to preface, this isnt me but someone I was grouped with while i geared my alt. This doesnt seem right to me at all, it feels so low in pvp given they were max geared
potent pivot
to preface, this isnt me but someone I was grouped with while i geared my alt. T...
In what bracket
Garrote should be higher either way
gray dune
they were i think 1400? Im 1600 on my alt
potent pivot
No I mean in what bracket
gray dune
3s
potent pivot
2s, 3s etc
Crimson tempest should be higher too then
He’s pressing mutilate instead of fok too much
gray dune
Like i dont play rogue in pvp but even i knew it was too low lol.
potent pivot
Yeah just seems like he’s a beginner which is prolly why he’s playing fatebound over deathstalker
Doesn’t seem like he vanished to get more empowered garrotes out
gray dune
I kinda wanna play my rogue and see if i do better, but id have no vers cuz im 636 pve geared lol
potent pivot
It’s not hard to get full wpvp gear now
Just do the Sparks weekly and do any 500 token WQs that are up throughout the week
Between that and comp stomp for honor you can get fully geared fast this week
gray dune
oh i have the honor to do it right now spread between a main and 2 alts lol
potent pivot
Yeah wpvp gear is just higher ilvl
Just a nice bump from honor gear and only 3 ilvl lower than conq gear
thorny gate
fill out stuff like cape bracers boots belt with blood, get regular conquest gear for tier set
potent pivot
I’ve been doing the 500 token WQs on all the alts I plan on playing even at lvl 70
So once I level them I’ve got a full set ready to go basically
gray dune
nah my tier would be fine since its 636 anyways. Id have to swap other pieces
thorny gate
i dont understand why they put 1400 rating on those conquest boxes, buying honor to instantly replace it with conquest gear from boxes cus u cant q for rated pvp at low ilvl
potent pivot
i dont understand why they put 1400 rating on those conquest boxes, buying honor...
they're for sending to alts
thorny gate
yeh but ur alt cant use them without 1400 rating, and u cant q to get rating without 623 ilvl
so u have to buy pvp gear so u can q to get rating to replace that gear
guna test to be sure and see if its only locked to buy not open
spring bough
Milly BTE crit on a blood DK feels too good
thorny gate
nice so apparently u can open the boxes with no rating, just not buy em
potent pivot
FDK buffs
you love to see it
fire mage buffs
ww buffs
sub rogue buffs (meaningless buffs)
lots of nice changes
thorny gate
very minimal changes
thorny gate
dh probs guna be insain after buff
potent pivot
very minimal changes
idk i think a lot of them are kinda big
severe helm
was about to link that too
what does that mean?
"below the base hit chance even at max stacks"
so it does nothing in pvp now?
severe helm
no more kidney dodging?
potent pivot
they will still dodge
thorny gate
@potent pivot atleast for the classes i play they pretty much got nothing, and the clases that annoy me not really much diff
potent pivot
but less chance
severe helm
yeah but I dont understandt he developer note
it says "below the base hit chance even at max stacks"
this makes it sound like its intended to make it do nothing against players
potent pivot
not sure
potent pivot
wdym
severe helm
theyre not nerfing it for mw?
thorny gate
i feel like eye for a eye literally does 0 dmg so not sure if a 50% buff on that will do anything
severe helm
MW has the dodge chance too
potent pivot
kek
severe helm
like wtf
thorny gate
itll probably overlap and nerf mw too
severe helm
kk so prob just a mistake
potent pivot
i'm just happy to see the dk buffs
and i'm glad they aren't overnerfing the "A tier" specs like feral
thorny gate
the real buff patch im waiting for is a rework to shaman elite pvp set so il feel like playing it
potent pivot
yeah gl with that
i barely want to go for it either but prolly will for the hell of it
thorny gate
ive got most of the sets i want, probs guna get lock/priest i like the druid set but i almost never play druid
proven field
very minimal changes
Those MM buffs though - those are huge
spring bough
Solo shuffle lobby. I get 9 kicks to clones. Rest of the players? 0….. 😭
Felt like I was spinning for hours
outer sky
Holy shit and I thought I had a lot of games played. Check this guy out god damn
outer sky
Yeah i imagine he doesn't have much of an ego lol
outer sky
over 7k
potent pivot
that's rounds
jaunty osprey
QUEUE IT UP
jaunty osprey
imagine how much conq he has
potent pivot
it's always better to q it up and practice than to worry about rating
guess he's having fun
outer sky
truth
idk how anyone can have fun as a healer in shuffle
i'd jump off a bridge if I had to queue 1k shuffles as a healer
lime oar
LETS GOOO!
gray dune
idk how anyone can have fun as a healer in shuffle
It's not that bad lol. Funny enough it taught me how to not panic so much when healing😂 especially with pres and disc
ionic crown
inc sub rogue buffs
outer sky
got a link to the blue post itself?
potent pivot
inc sub rogue buffs
Yeah they’re basically non existent for pvp
potent pivot
got a link to the blue post itself?
I posted it a while ago
Prolly don’t have to scroll up much at all
#pvp message bingo
potent pivot
nothing super exciting
Ww buffs and ww dodge nerf
outer sky
WW buffs are nice but tbh man playing WW without keefers just feels so bad
its not actually bad
it just feels bad
gray dune
I like the monk elite set, but im not a fan of MW
potent pivot
Ele shaman nerfs
i don't think they can justify assa buffs
maybe some sub rogue sustain buffs
all 3 rogue specs are decent in basically every pvp bracket
gray dune
Buff evoker so i can feel better lol
gleaming pawn
just buff assa single target/poison damage 🙂
severe helm
all 3 rogue specs are decent in basically every pvp bracket
Yeah tbh they're all in a totally fine place
None are OP none are bad
Well sub is op in blitz
But who cares lol
That will always be the case
waxen meteor
inc sub rogue buffs
you call that buff
hybrid sapphire
man i love being a rogue
proven field
Dude's team won but still PMed out of the blue - guess he didn't like being shut down
It is pretty crazy how many unhinged people send these though, and that the platform lets you PM people you've blocked
halcyon timber
Yeah that soft bodied fat fuck needs a few broken ribs and that attitude would be fixed
frail knot
So if i wanna go 4pc, do i skip the head or gloves? or is 4 pc really really bad for sub?
potent pivot
So if i wanna go 4pc, do i skip the head or gloves? or is 4 pc really really bad...
4p is fine for sub, but most don't run it
the difference between helm/gloves doesn't really matter for sub, they both have kinda shit stats
if you play assa at all, most assa drop gloves
frail knot
Ok so going head then is most "smart"
Just started my rogue pvp career last night
super fun!
jolly sierra
It is pretty crazy how many unhinged people send these though, and that the plat...
idk how tf it works
cuz they can still insulting u but u cant
even when u try to log in w an alt to reply
gusty hedge
It is pretty crazy how many unhinged people send these though, and that the plat...
remember the name, and gank his ass in world on alt opposing faction 
stiff fractal
Hi all, in wich mode is easier to get 1800 (if im solo player)
potent pivot
Hi all, in wich mode is easier to get 1800 (if im solo player)
prolly shuffle or blitz
blitz takes longer but is more inflated
stiff fractal
blitz takes longer but is more inflated
Just looking for elite set)
I got in shuffle 1300 but long waiting
safe pelican
Spent the whole day gearing up the multi box rogue played 3s for the first time at 631 i level now gotta wrap it up today then time for shuffle 😮💨📝😈
Missing outlaw quad hook tings though might have to run some pirate today 🏴☠️🦦
waxen meteor
Dude's team won but still PMed out of the blue - guess he didn't like being shut...
There are plenty of salty people lol
I leveled up my alt rogue other day, in open map crate fight I cheap shot a bunch of horde players and got killed a bit later, I was lv74 of course I died
But a horde rogue actually immediacy added me friend in game (I don’t even know how) and started to trash talk me
(And I got the crate in the end of course)
jolly sierra
But a horde rogue actually immediacy added me friend in game (I don’t even know ...
never add a guy in btag when u are in outdoor pvp
molten hedge
Had extra conquest so made an outlaw set and hopped in a shuffle blindly and we 5-1d boys. Kinda farmed 🤣 I gotta admit it was fun!!
I’ve never played it
molten hedge
I basically rolled the bones/ADR in stealth, hook/sapped healer, opened with stuns, and kept blade flurry up in the cleave. Is the prio to build CP ambush proc>pistol proc>sinister strike and spenders are BTE > dispatch and during stealth windows just spam those builders in the prio mentioned earlier and hit BTE as much as possible and ghostly strike/killing spree off CD to burst hopefully right after an ADR so I get full CP. does this sound at all accurate
@potent pivot
long shore
How do people get 2700 on blitz?
I've won 50 games and only at 1900 each win is like 20 points wtf
waxen meteor
never add a guy in btag when u are in outdoor pvp
i was naive
safe pelican
Very first shuffle game on the multibox assa rogue @ 1800 mmr 4-2 not bad for still having 6 green items , shoudlve been 5-1 but i forgot DM was a button too much pirate life lately forgot about that keybind until the 3rd round lmao 
potent pivot
I basically rolled the bones/ADR in stealth, hook/sapped healer, opened with stu...
For the most part yeah
molten hedge
Sweeettt. Teach me great sensei
potent pivot
If you’re playing supercharger or forced induction you can kinda try to send KS with charger points
potent pivot
Oh god
potent pivot
I don’t even wanna know wtf that looks like
Pika is kinda known for playing fried shit most of the time
long shore
How good is having shadowcraft as sub trickster rogue ?
safe pelican
Twinning
long shore
Murlok IO shows less than half of rogues running shadowcraft. Why though ?
potent pivot
Ok yeah that’s looks fine
potent pivot
Murlok IO shows less than half of rogues running shadowcraft. Why though ?
Just personal preference
molten hedge
Played Assa Boomie last night kinda farmed most comps lol just so much dam
Kalv put us on it. Might try it with law tn
safe pelican
Hemo is such and underated talent
9 minute blittz queues on the outlaw rogues lets see what we get might hop in blitz on the assa mutlibox mafia lets goooooo
safe pelican
im saying and i see so many assa rogues not run it
orchid plinth
I mean isn't it just an extra 5% MS but you take it since most PvP talents are pretty meh 
long shore
Hemo is great for AOE mortal strike isn't it ?
potent pivot
I mean isn't it just an extra 5% MS but you take it since most PvP talents are p...
It’s an instant application instead of stacking like wound
orchid plinth
True that it's instant!
molten hedge
MS is OP especially with dampening it’s insane
long shore
For fast BG Blitz queues do you guys swap to your healer alts? Or are fully committed to the rogue cause?
safe pelican
Yea and along with Arterial Precision+Tiny toxic blade + KB +DS Envenoms its just bonkers
long shore
I feel like rogue in BG has a much higher chance to win games single handedly
Making space, pressuring nodes and EFCs
spring bough
hemo is staple
Bring back OG hemo
jolly sierra
Bring back OG hemo
og hemo would be crazy good for sub
tame wolf
I havent played rogue since actual classic and I just hit max level and started PvPing again. What is the best spec to get your toes wet and learn rogue? Open to changing down the road. I am just trying to learn the class
potent pivot
i'd recommend just playing what you like, most people would say assa is the easiest to learn
tame wolf
I may try that. Outlaw seems a little weird to me so far even though thats what some recommended in game
potent pivot
there's a general misconception in the pvp community right now that outlaw is the "best pvp spec"
just because it saw play in AWC, it's very good at high level 3v3. it's not that great for average gameplay
tame wolf
I feel like when I am playing outlaw its like a casino, im just constantly looking for glowing/flashing skills that are proccing and it feels a little overwhelming having to monitor the hotbar so much for procs
maybe not so much later on when I learn the class, just seems a little too much with procs while trying to learn
candid tide
I feel like when I am playing outlaw its like a casino, im just constantly looki...
you can make weakauras for those to make it easier tracking
tame wolf
you can make weakauras for those to make it easier tracking
currently have a WA for RTB and thats it. I should look into a few more to make it a bit easier
Last question for now. I made all my jewerly and statted it all for outlaw. Should I just try to stick outlaw out for a bit or should I farm the mats to recraft it to give assassination a go? or just try assa out with the outlaw jewelry
potent pivot
Last question for now. I made all my jewerly and statted it all for outlaw. Shou...
just try it without changing it first
changing the stats on 3 items isn't going to drastically change anything
tame wolf
okay cool, assa seems like it may be more my playstyle but I havent dived into it really
molten hedge
Assa is rot lots of pressure with a quasi execute (sudden demise) and is squishy. Sub is precision and setting up kills with big burst. Outlaw is rng consistent damage with CDR and more survivability/mobility. @tame wolf
@potent pivot I saw a Venruki clip with a hook kick macro. Or maybe it was step kick so it may be gone. Any tips to hook kick accurately
potent pivot
the hook kick macro was removed
molten hedge
Dang. Ya that’s the biggest downside to law imo good caster will see it coming a mile away lmao
I guess u just have to wait for fakes
potent pivot
at one point you could step/kick/hook back to your original position in 1 macro
molten hedge
Ya that was nice for sure
potent pivot
was pretty bad
stoic spruce
You mean good
molten hedge
Any advanced tips u can think of for outlaw? I have rogue down in general but something a guide won’t tell
potent pivot
you just have to get used to the fast paced high uptime play style
it's like playing a fury warrior except you woke up and chose a crack pipe and violence
molten hedge
Lol
stoic spruce
Who cares about what the other people on the opposing team feel
It actually pisses me off that I cannot care any less
Awww am I giving you a hard time? :(
Boo fuckin hoo
molten hedge
@potent pivot sent u a friend req with a ? In DMs
potent pivot
Awww am I giving you a hard time? :(
if you're referring to the hook macro, that shit was basically like using hacks
should never have been in the game, all reticle macros were just bugged because of something blizz broke
spring bough
You mean good
It was amazing
stoic spruce
It was
lone anvil
is anyone playing on Dreamscythe btw
spring bough
Could we do one like at cursor grip, kick then return ?
potent pivot
you can't macro an insta return hook anymore at all
you also can't @ player or @ focus any reticle abilities
spring bough
No fun game
I want 8 yard melee back at this point too
Hell what was it 11 with flurry talent lol
minor zephyr
hi guys, what is the actual opener for assa rogue? (with kings bane) i mean burst sequence - thx alot
minor zephyr
tyty
molten hedge
I basically rolled the bones/ADR in stealth, hook/sapped healer, opened with stu...
@potent pivot I watched a skillcappec guide that says to prio pistol shot proc over ambush. Is that fried or correct
severe helm
at one point you could step/kick/hook back to your original position in 1 macro
Yeah but I don't think anyone actually used that
It didn't save you very much time and it would fail if you pressed it and they were slightly out of range and you'd just waste hook
severe helm
<@629463378250956810> I watched a skillcappec guide that says to prio pistol sho...
Unless they mean during a crackshot window that's fried af
severe helm
Yeah that's just wrong
Ps is what gives you ambush procs
So wasting them when you can already press ambush is big dumb
molten hedge
So prio ambush procs over ps always?
severe helm
Yes
wintry axle
do we have a roll the bones weak aura for pvp?
severe helm
Only exception technically is that when you have the broadside buff up you can use PS during a crackshot window if you're at 1cp cuz it will fully fill your cps
So that can be worth it
But that's very minor
molten hedge
How important is rolling the shark fin buff before bursting? It’s so RNG I feel like I just go ahead and burst lol
If u have a window where healer is off DR with trinket coming up
wintry axle
that WA only takes account on how many you get? I get "BAD" with sharkfin, hehe
molten hedge
I thought it says the buff name u roll
I thought the shark fin is the best one that u get big crit for BTE or something
wintry axle
oh it says "BAD", "DECENT" or w/e :p but it shows the buffs so thats nice
spring bough
so i capped mines over this lock
and this 2700 monk whispers me this crap
i cloak capped and lock ran into melee range and spell casted instead of meleeing me lmao
gray dune
So when will the DF pvp sets be available again, if they arent already. I heard it was 11.0.5
halcyon timber
They are in valdrakken in the obsidian enclave (pvp room) for marks of honor
gray dune
Oh hell yeah then. They just werent showing up in the appearances tab
waxen meteor
tyty
This is probably a bad opening tbh
It’s in theory maxed out dmg of course
But you basically used all CD at open…
wintry axle
Hi guys, what are the pri finishers as outlaw? Always keep SND up, and use Between the Eyes off CD and then Dispatch? Always pistol shot on proc>Ambush>SS?
halcyon timber
Sounds prob pretty close to what the outlaw guys have been chirping about lately. Might be something in the pvp pins that the guys put together.
gray dune
yay or nay? all the builds ive seen on sites dont run supercharger but ive seen people with it lately
halcyon timber
Prob wise to ask trickz / panda / zicore / jason when you see them.
I think Seij also is an assassin too
gray dune
i dont play it for pvp so figured id learn since it may be easier to get the illusion with rather than pres evoker
halcyon timber
Yeah probably man, foundational understanding > talents
You’re likely to do well regardless. I wouldn’t sweat it man
gray dune
dont think i did too bad for the first SS lol
didnt use mutilate or ambush much cuz i think i remember i should use fan more, could be wrong
halcyon timber
dont think i did too bad for the first SS lol
Keep at it dude, as long as you’re having fun then that is all that matters
lime oar
yay or nay? all the builds ive seen on sites dont run supercharger but ive seen ...
yeah that build is fine
ocean crypt
why is outlaw so unpopular in shuffles r/n
wintry axle
why is outlaw so unpopular in shuffles r/n
is it?
ocean crypt
according to drustvar yeah, least popular melee spec in most ranges
wintry axle
oh not sure, I love the state of it
stoic spruce
why is outlaw so unpopular in shuffles r/n
No kill pressure and extremely punishing downtime
It takes a coordinated team for it to shine
ocean crypt
gotcha
wintry axle
Outlaw fatebound or trickster, are they both viable?
wintry axle
according to drustvar yeah, least popular melee spec in most ranges
Not really, its only in the 1800 bracket the representation is low
safe pelican
Been seeing a lot of outlaw tbh had 2 in my last 5 shuffle matches between two accounts
candid tide
whaazz plays fatebound too
potent pivot
Hi guys, what are the pri finishers as outlaw? Always keep SND up, and use Betwe...
SnD is automatically applied. You can remove it from your bars.
potent pivot
Yeah but I don't think anyone actually used that
A ton of people used it
lapis flare
When I use deathmark am I supposed to then garrote and rupture again right after casting it to duplicate my bleeds?
Or are they automatically duplicated at their current time left?
jolly sierra
When I use deathmark am I supposed to then garrote and rupture again right after...
it duplicates with everything active
even if u do it later
its better to reapply before DM to avoid building again
jolly sierra
its just a waste
u can do it in different windows
to increase pressure
like doing first a DM
he will trade defs maybe
then KB
so will have little to spare
lapis flare
kk
jolly sierra
always aims for pressure in different windows instead an all-go-in
proven mica
!fuu
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molten hedge
I think someone else asked earlier but idk if anyone had a good one. Looking for a good roll the bones WA
potent pivot
I think someone else asked earlier but idk if anyone had a good one. Looking for...
check wago
molten hedge
Ya saw quite a few didn’t know if one stood out
potent pivot
Ya saw quite a few didn’t know if one stood out
I would just get one that shows you which rtb buffs you have active and when rtb is off cd
safe pelican
Outlaw is really the funnest spec to play it’s unfortunate that it’s so meh
I only track shark buff lol
I think that and energy regeneration buff prolly only ones worth tracking
Bro i played a priest today that was tracking my kidney shot cooldown in shuffle … never hated another person on the other side of a computer in a solo shuffle so much ever
molten hedge
Seems like outlaws doing as well as if not better than assa and way better than sub
Shuffle and 3s is what I was looking at
safe pelican
Sub ain’t in the conversation rn lol but I liked outlaw in shuffle only played one match cause i made my outlaw rogue for blitz but i thought it was good just need competent teammates that understand what a “ go “ is
As long as you and your partner are linking up on the same target i think it’s good & i like how you can kidney shot the healer and send an RTB supercharged KS on the kill target all before the healer is out of CC
Top Target saved my solo shuffle career im ngl
molten hedge
Is that one the giant bullseye? Square one
waxen meteor
Guys is there some rare skills hunter have to mark you from 3000 miles away and you are in stealth?
Like eagle eye or sth?
jolly sierra
Top Target saved my solo shuffle career im ngl
toptarget best pvp addon
languid ravine
my teammate died to a 2.1mil death strike (80.000 overkill) lmao
potent pivot
Guys is there some rare skills hunter have to mark you from 3000 miles away and ...
I think their stealth detection is better but it’s like 10-15 yards nothing crazy. Unless you were in an instanced game that had stealth eyes
waxen meteor
I think their stealth detection is better but it’s like 10-15 yards nothing craz...
its in Battle for Gilneas everytime
i am in stealth before the small hill
they cought me like at least 50 yards away
potent pivot
its in Battle for Gilneas everytime
They prolly had the stealth eye
waxen meteor
They prolly had the stealth eye
oh yeah that's totally true i forgot that
wow this looks quite a big buff
and pfff,
Aimed shot and rapid fire just shifting between shit and op all days and nights
outer sky
looks like they buffed the drop rate of vicious bloodstones from the pvp chests
halcyon timber
i am in stealth before the small hill
Shadowsight crystal is at every base in rated. Usually 10-15feet away from the flags.
stoic spruce
wild how my wins keep going up everytime I drop crackshot
another one
my w/l is healing
languid ravine
its an illusion, what really happened is your winrate goes up everytime you win
:wesmart:
safe pelican
and pfff,
Aimed shot and rapid fire just shifting between shit and op all days a...
finally
safe pelican
the marksmanship buff isnt even crazy its basically them resetting the class back to what it was before they put BM on crack
MM feels like the outlaw rogue of hunter rn
buff is very well much needed not sure what the overtune on BM was for but whatever
@dapper chasm Zan zan you still playing sub rn ?
safe pelican
lmaooo in blitz?
they are kinda shit outside of cocoon love killing them after that shit is over
stoic spruce
lmaooo in blitz?
in general
stoic spruce
they are kinda shit outside of cocoon love killing them after that shit is over
literal infinite cocoons
languid ravine
is there a neat way to turn off Fatebound sound effects? the constant casino clashing in my ears is so irritating
severe dragon
Outlaw feels so slow with out any shadow steps... im chasing around people slowed the whole time. How do you guys work around this?
potent pivot
Outlaw feels so slow with out any shadow steps... im chasing around people slowe...
you can hook 4 times in a row
potent pivot
you can't macro hook to a target
languid ravine
just tried ingame and it doesnt work at all, but I wonder why 😦
you can do Priest feathers on allies
languid ravine
but why
languid ravine
sure there is you can still use them on the ground
potent pivot
the whole point is that it takes skill to use them well
languid ravine
you are right, deleting all my macros now because of skill
potent pivot
think about a hunter hitting every trap they ever throw
languid ravine
well luckily we still have short CD vanish and blade rush and killing spree to give speed and rootbreaks and stuff
languid ravine
think about a hunter hitting every trap they ever throw
wait I remember wasnt that the reason blizz removed @target from those skills
some time ago
potent pivot
it was never possible before that
they did something in DF that fucked it up and allowed those macros to work, then they fixed it
there was kick macros that would only allow your kick to go off if the target was casting
@target reticle macros, all kinds of broken shit that played the game for you basically
gleaming pawn
I know, skill expression and all that
but I always liked the SWTOR method of kicks where you could not activate kick unless your target was actually casting
outer sky
This ele sham I was just playing with said he faced an assa rogue that took him from 70%-0 in a global during a SS match
anyone know what build does that
I need to do that
potent pivot
This ele sham I was just playing with said he faced an assa rogue that took him ...
Sounds like there was other damage than just the assa rogues damage, but the forced induction build
enough bleeds to proc sudden demise right after a big envenom
languid ravine
This ele sham I was just playing with said he faced an assa rogue that took him ...
I mean its gotta be forced induction, amp poison DTB, maybe even drop second vanish for Deepah Strat
could also been the guy exaggerating and it was 2 gcds but you can try
outer sky
I mean its gotta be forced induction, amp poison DTB, maybe even drop second van...
if you dropped double vanish for anything it would be for forced induction
languid ravine
okay what I mean is you dont drop tea either
potent pivot
you drop deeper and tea to play forced
or you play supercharger/no forced and keep tea
languid ravine
I m sure you ll figure it out there arent that many combinations
outer sky
Does supercharger give you a buff?
dapper chasm
<@506443451320107009> Zan zan you still playing sub rn ?
I got 1800 on launch and left things there
I spend my days raising my children and making my wife feel special
But subtly
languid ravine
you should make your wife BE special
languid ravine
2.4 blitz warrior, sees me sapping the healer, proceeds to heroic leap into 5 enemies to break that sap what a legend a true examplar may he rest in piece because he died 3 seconds after
wintry axle
SnD is automatically applied. You can remove it from your bars.
Cant find the talent, whats the name?
potent pivot
Cant find the talent, whats the name?
it's not a talent
slice and dice has been passively applied for weeks now. since 11.0.5
wintry axle
oh found it, jees. Thanks mate, ive been using it lol
glass hazel
Cut to the Chase
wintry axle
man that makes so much sense
potent pivot
crackshot bte and dispatches apply it so no need to ever press it
languid ravine
in my opinion its still good to have on the bar it lets you reduce grapple hook cooldown when you have no targets nearby to hit
what else you gonna put there anyways lel
wintry axle
haha yeah, ive got shittons of free binds as I usually play sub
potent pivot
haha yeah, ive got shittons of free binds as I usually play sub
It’s passive for sub now too
wintry axle
damn thats lovely
potent pivot
Just making sure ya know
wintry axle
sharkfin roll the bones BIS?
potent pivot
sharkfin roll the bones BIS?
You mostly want to roll on CD especially if using supercharger
wintry axle
ah alright
potent pivot
Only time I’d hold off on rolling is if you have 4-5 good buffs
Maybe less if KS comes off CD within a few seconds or something
The CDR you get from the extra combo points is pretty important
wintry axle
I see, is it between the eyes of CD even tho no 4x damage proc?
do we always prio it off CD, if not using ks ofc
Oh, its not a proc, its just a crit I see.
languid ravine
in my lobby theres a marksman, plays like a god
wintry axle
Is there a softcap for haste we're aiming for as outlaw? I see people run around 9k out of PvP combat, equals around 17% in combat
potent pivot
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
potent pivot
you just want a minimum of 10% in pvp combat
wintry axle
I thought we ran full haste almost
potent pivot
nah
potent pivot
mhm
solar glacier
potent pivot
why are the top players running 15% haste while not in PvP ilevel?
not all of them are at all
potent pivot
there's plenty that run the same as him
whaazz runs more haste on his like, 4 rogues, because he plays KiR. wouldn't recommend it
languid ravine
Ret pala in my 2.2k cr shuffle died without bubble 4 times in a row I dont understand
safe pelican
I spend my days raising my children and making my wife feel special
Haha man i felt this in my soul didn’t push for a while played outlaw wrapping it up now the old lady done had bout enough of WoW haha cheers bro sub 4 Eva 🦦🤝
Bitches do be crazy, he ain’t lying.
Can’t live with em, can’t live without em 😂
hazy monolith
Is the crackshot rotation really just bte spam?
dapper chasm
Bitches do be crazy, he ain’t lying.
Can’t live with em, can’t live without em �...
I make sure there is always chocolate hidden around the house
Worked for 11 years now
safe pelican
I make sure there is always chocolate hidden around the house
Aye that’s a good one , write that down write that down !
restive crane
Is there a consensus for the pvp trink? The manual with 2min cooldown or automatic with 1min cooldown.
molten hedge
Depends which spec and build. Sub and Assa (playing kingsbane) uses the on use everything else uses the procced one I’d assume
Outlaw is already RNG as a spec then u add fatebound. Why not have another random RNG aspect of it LMAO
hazy monolith
We even want to bte at 1 combo point, don’t wanna build up at all during crackshot?
restive crane
How do you knock people off their mounts when flying?
Some druid was following me around knocking me off
candid tide
its an item not sure which one for TWW but in DF it was a gun you bought at the pvp vendors
jolly sierra
How do you knock people off their mounts when flying?
if u do the spin
and aims well
u drop them
restive crane
if u do the spin
Is that the charge forward? or just a druid thing?
jolly sierra
dragonriding skill
restive crane
gotcha
stoic spruce
We even want to bte at 1 combo point, don’t wanna build up at all during cracksh...
5+
hazy monolith
So it’s not just bte spam it’s also building to 5+
halcyon timber
How do you knock people off their mounts when flying?
Net gun from pvp vendor. Whirling surge is the ability while skyriding (dragon riding aka from df / dynamic flight) that knocks people off.
stoic spruce
So it’s not just bte spam it’s also building to 5+
Correct
molten hedge
i have no crafted gear. this is out of pvp for outlaw. do i just need a little haste to 10% since im not playing KiR besides that
spring bough
Sub outlaw sin versus sub and sin in EOTS. Who do you think wins lol
Safe to say the 3 rogue team just cleared lol
old dome
Was in a low mmr SS and saw this sub nimble flurry doing 15% of his total.
Trick or Death these days?
Im Death
halcyon timber
Trick or Death these days?
Both are good. Its a playstyle preference.
old dome
TYVM for answering!
halcyon timber
No sweat man, do what fits you and have fun
proven field
Dear DK I absolutely beamed down
As a former DK man, there is not worse feeling than being close to dying and then a GODDAMNROGUEDISARMSME
orchid plinth
What Assa spec do you good folks recommend for 2s with a healer?
There are so many variants of Assa!
orchid plinth
Sorry I meant as in what Assa spec
stoic spruce
ah that aint me then
orchid plinth
I am playing with a priest
stoic spruce
As a former DK man, there is not worse feeling than being close to dying and the...
ONLY THE STRONGEST WILL SURVIVE
severe helm
Trick or Death these days?
preference
I think trick and death are in a good place for sub in that you can make both work depending on how you want to play
severe helm
i have no crafted gear. this is out of pvp for outlaw. do i just need a little h...
yeah 9% is technically the suggested required assuming you have 10% from hidden opp and 5% from alacrity stacked up
severe helm
Is the crackshot rotation really just bte spam?
not at all lol
your builder priority technically changes in crackshot since you have access to ambush you want to save your PS stacks for after its over if you want more overall damage or you can choose to use them during crackshot if you have Broadside buff active since it fills your cps
potent pivot
Is there a consensus for the pvp trink? The manual with 2min cooldown or automat...
The cc break trinket? Always the manual one.
solemn plover
Is there any viable build where we take both Tea and Without a Trace? for sub*
solemn plover
Is there a consensus for the pvp trink? The manual with 2min cooldown or automat...
go manual. the automatic will eat a 3s disorient and send you right into a 6s fear or cyclone with no escape
potent pivot
Is there any viable build where we take *both* Tea and Without a Trace? for sub*
Play whatever version you want of the class tree. Just know that sub needs every bit of damage possible, so 
solemn plover
Play whatever version you want of the class tree. Just know that sub needs every...
gotcha, thank you! i'm assuming Sub has low damage by default because our burst windows are so bursty?
potent pivot
Even the burst windows kinda suck right now
solemn plover
Even the burst windows kinda suck right now
damn, does it really? i roll as Disc/FrostMage in 2s right now, and we seem to encounter Subs with a lot of burst at ~1500. My mage died on me the other night out of the opener while I was eating a stunlock/polymorph combo.
He took like, Shadowstrike - Evis - Shadowstrike - Evis and was gone
potent pivot
Sounds like no one pressed a single button to counter
Any spec in the game will kill you fast if you aren’t doing anything about it
solemn plover
actually now that you mention it, i wonder if he's running the manual CC trinket or not. that'd probably make a huge difference
I know he was trying to Ice Block but he was stuck eating a Kidney Shot
hazy monolith
your builder priority technically changes in crackshot since you have access to ...
So under 5 cp PS proc > ambush
Over 5 cp bte
severe helm
So under 5 cp PS proc > ambush
Over 5 cp bte
In crackshot you dont press PS at all as your generator as long as you dont have Broadside
Ambush is just as good of a generator and since you can use ambush freely during that window its better to keep the PS stacks for after the window
The basic priority is:
-Ambush with Audacity proc(or in subterfuge/crackshot) at 4 or less CPs
-PS with proc at 4 or less CPs(unless in subterfuge)
-Sinister strike
tribal badger
thorn plover
Yo! I'm starting pvp with my rogue that I used to play in pve. I gonna play outlaw and would like to know what is the better gear to caft ? like I check murloc io and there is several differents craft so I'm questionning
vocal ginkgo
Hey all, I want to give outlaw a try for the first time ever
Any tips on where to start? Any good guides maybe?
I already know how to play sub/sin and have them both on 1800+ but I understand outlaw is a very different spec/playstyle
Ty all
vocal surge
Yo! I'm starting pvp with my rogue that I used to play in pve. I gonna play outl...
Your stats is up to what you need more but you want x2 Elemental Focusing Lens
sour coral
really? x2 focusing lense.. interesting ty!
vocal surge
Decided to do some random BGs to get my Weekly done, capped Mines with the Berserk powerup walked into Farm
and just 1v3'd back to back twice
molten hedge
To my pirate friends, how do u go about setting up your burst? like do u first hit ADR and RTB then kidney healer then vanish and stun ur KT and spam ambush and pistol procs and BTE? is that wrong or
@potent pivot
potent pivot
To my pirate friends, how do u go about setting up your burst? like do u first h...
You don’t really have burst as outlaw
molten hedge
Yeah but I’m sure I still set up goes lol
vocal surge
To my pirate friends, how do u go about setting up your burst? like do u first h...
Blade Flurry + AR before stealth
RTB to stack up Supercharged Combo Points and then BTE --> Ambush --> Killing Spree
That's ~5M - 15M damage
in 4 GCD presses
as Trickster
molten hedge
Lol are u trolling me
potent pivot
Yeah but I’m sure I still set up goes lol
You just kidney someone on CD and go for as much uptime as possible
Do not KS during Crackshot
vocal surge
^Mainly applies strictly to Fatebound
molten hedge
I noticed sometimes during crack shot I’ll get no procs. I’m guessing this is just the RNG nature of the spec
vocal surge
Yep
potent pivot
It applies across the board as far as I’m concerned
molten hedge
I play fatsbound
potent pivot
Ik
potent pivot
I noticed sometimes during crack shot I’ll get no procs. I’m guessing this is ju...
Ace procs are rng yes, but supercharger BtE has a high chance to proc
Good thing to remember
molten hedge
Do u usually like to cheap during crack shot like sub would during a dance or that doesn’t apply to outlaw
vocal surge
5% per combo point
potent pivot
Sometimes yes
vocal surge
without Supercharger, max CP thats 35% proc for Ace + 1 and 40% chance for 2 CP
With Supercharger, max CP thats 50% proc + 2 CPs
molten hedge
And u get supercharger from RTB right
vocal surge
Ye
potent pivot
Mhm
molten hedge
Are there any guides on this or not rly
potent pivot
Just the pve guides
vocal surge
Lol are u trolling me
5M on opener lol
WoD PvP weapons are gonna take a long time to farm for
potent pivot
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pliant smelt
Hii, previous hunter player wanting to learn pvp rogue, I felt I wanted to learn sub but some people are telling me it's a waste of time and I should play outlaw or assa, is it really that bad? 🫤
potent pivot
Hii, previous hunter player wanting to learn pvp rogue, I felt I wanted to learn...
nah play what you want to play
vocal surge
^
pliant smelt
I see, thanks 😃
ionic forge
Woo!
potent pivot
stoic spruce
As long as it's not sub
sour coral
Does um. Trickster outlaw have a place anywhere or is it just fatebound?
sour coral
Unfortunate it’s more fun than gambling on top of gambling lol
potent pivot
fatebound and outlaw in general aren't that rng at all
people put way too much stock into how rng outlaw is
stoic spruce
Does um. Trickster outlaw have a place anywhere or is it just fatebound?
its just slightly more kill pressure
notice the emphasis of slightly
proven field
A couple of us true scum lords play trickster outlaw
stoic spruce
I personally do more dam with trickster than fatebound
my success rate is higher with trickster I mean
proven field
I noticed sometimes during crack shot I’ll get no procs. I’m guessing this is ju...
This is the low of feast/famine outlaw - you either riding high on dopamine or laying in the street huffing copamine
stoic spruce
make sure you have Zac's Ace WA to track your max ace proc counter
proven field
You want to turn that copamine into copanyl, swap into full mastery as well - 1M burst or tickle
molten hedge
make sure you have Zac's Ace WA to track your max ace proc counter
What’s ace. Also do u have a good RTB wa
potent pivot
What’s ace. Also do u have a good RTB wa
stoic spruce
What’s ace. Also do u have a good RTB wa
the RTB WA from wagio is good
molten hedge
I saw several but didn’t know if they were outdated or too complicated
stoic spruce
!wa
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Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
potent pivot
I saw several but didn’t know if they were outdated or too complicated
you can look at the date they were updated
anything from 11.0 onward should work
proven field
There's probably much better ones but you're welcome to mine if it'll help:
color-codes with timers and icons so I can quickly see what-all is rolling, how much time is left, should I re-roll etc
Then a few combos of rolls have sound notifications that tell me extra pump time etc
potent pivot
i'd recommend something simple like this
and a wa that shows when rtb is on/off CD
molten hedge
https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU
i just got this one and it says when to reroll
it also says to roll before entering stealth so idk if that means like vanish
potent pivot
i just got this one and it says when to reroll
You probably won’t want to follow that one’s reroll logic
In pvp you reroll on CD unless you’ve got 4-5 buffs. It’s not the same as pve.
supple pulsar
Unless juicy 5 roll 
severe helm
Yeah but I’m sure I still set up goes lol
you just press vanish theres really no rotational setup before you go into your burst
save ghostly strike maybe
I usually try to reserve the globals in crackshot as best I can so I start the setup with a grapple + kidney on the healer then I can vanish cheap the kill target and do my crackshot rotational priority
Ive been playing with SC so sometimes you want to rtb before this window so you have the two supercharged finishers during the window but I dont prioritize it if I have a lot of buffs rolling already from CtO procs
severe helm
In pvp you reroll on CD unless you’ve got 4-5 buffs. It’s not the same as pve.
wait why is this?
thats only with supercharger right?
potent pivot
ye
severe helm
no reason to spam reroll as vigor esp if you have 2 buffs from loaded dice
even then though
potent pivot
he plays charger
severe helm
why reroll if you have like 3 buffs
potent pivot
just reroll on cd basically
severe helm
hmm
potent pivot
for more cdr etc
severe helm
well its less cdr though than using ambush/PS proc
potent pivot
that's like the main draw of charger
potent pivot
everyone still plays cto
severe helm
yeah prob not worth though is what im sayin
just constantly rolling them off
might as well run gsw or something
or do you need to spend the point to get there
yeah you can drop it for gsw def worth I think
Ive been just playing the same rtb rules as you would in pve but still potentially rolling before a crackshot window even if it will lose a buff