pvp

[severe helm]

youll never lose cr for going 4-2 but you can def lose mmr

[gray dune]

maybe i should just make and gear another pres evoker then and do better in placements

[jaunty osprey]

See if you 5-1 or 6-0 after placements, mmr is still closeish to CR, but increases a little

but that was only because lobby mmr was higher than me

[severe helm]

yeah in the first one your mmr is below the role average

[jaunty osprey]

Ye

[gray dune]

seeing that +5 CR on the healer hurts me cuz thats what i be gettin

[severe helm]

I wish that part was less impactful but I can see why they did it

[jaunty osprey]

But if you do it in placements

you get mega gains

[jolly sierra]

XD

[jaunty osprey]

@severe helm my new alt rogue lost 60 mmr in 2 lobbies for 4-2ing cause lobby mmr was so low

i hare the system when it works against me

[severe helm]

lol thats tragic

[jolly sierra]

welp 72 cr is the max it seems

[severe helm]

I have done one shuffle on my rogue so far

they started me at 1600mmr, there were 4 palas in the lobby

it was hilarious

[hybrid vessel]

again +23 😮

[jaunty osprey]

Naw

[severe helm]

its always gona be like that

[jaunty osprey]

I’ve gotten 130

Out of placements

[hybrid vessel]

ok so +23 max?

[jaunty osprey]

+24 is max

[jolly sierra]

ah got it

[hybrid vessel]

aha

[jaunty osprey]

for blitz

If your mmr was 3k and your cr was 1800

[jolly sierra]

well for blitz is still painfully slow

xdd

[jaunty osprey]

You’d get +24

[hybrid vessel]

ait

tyty ^^

hit my goal now tho, 1800 mog for priest xD

ON TO THE NEXT

[severe helm]

should be 24

[jaunty osprey]

(It doesnt have to be that wide of a difference from mmr and cr) but your gains are still v good

[hybrid vessel]

shame shammy has overwhelmingly many buttons xD

as resto atleast which id wanna q as

[severe helm]

even with over 1200 mmr to cr different I get 24

thanks blizzard

[jaunty osprey]

@jolly sierra

140 out of placements

[severe helm]

yuge

[jolly sierra]

how mewo earned 24 then? wtf

[hybrid vessel]

DANG 🙂

[jaunty osprey]

this rogue got fucked and didn’t skip from 1500 to 1900

[jaunty osprey]

Blitz

And rated 2s/3s is hard capped +24

[jolly sierra]

ahhh u are in shuffle

got it

[jaunty osprey]

solo shuffle has no cap

i think 144

but i havent gotten it yet

[jolly sierra]

at least in placement the max for me was 72

but in out ye, can be more

[jaunty osprey]

For blitz?

[jolly sierra]

shuffle

[jaunty osprey]

nah in placement the cap is way higher

Can get 500+

[jolly sierra]

with both mmr and cr alignned?

[jaunty osprey]

then that isnt placements

if cr and mmr are aligned

[jolly sierra]

i see

i think gotta push to 2k1 when they announces end season

im just gotta go blitz for honor and getting gold

[hidden moth]

stock up on gems for s2

everyone wanting 9 sockets for their new pvp shit

im just happy i can get rid of crit daggers

[potent pivot]

s2 will have a different item

[hidden moth]

ah so the bloodstones wont carry over

[severe helm]

nope

htey usually dont for that exact reason

[hidden moth]

well ig time to stock up on honor

[severe helm]

You can usually stock up on honor though

yeah

[hidden moth]

with war band xfer stuff will be easy to have 10 alts loaded with honor

[candid tide]

im going jackie chan on these guys

[hidden moth]

i leave for a month and mmr skyrockets

[jolly sierra]

gl

[jaunty osprey]

I dont think so

at all

Gems dont change between seasons

Bloodstones will still be required to make the algari gem

for JCs

and honor doesnt reset

[potent pivot]

the socket item on the vendor

[jaunty osprey]

between seasons

[potent pivot]

will change

[jaunty osprey]

oh ya

but bloodstones wont and

honor wont

[potent pivot]

the bloodstones maybe not

[jaunty osprey]

Just make level 1 chars to stock ur honor

[proven field]

Honor banks

They should just pool honor account wide at this point like one big bank account

[jaunty osprey]

They need to make bloody token transferrable

[proven field]

A million % yes

Let us hit 80, get full honor set and wpvp weapons and go

[hidden moth]

im 3-1 rn lol 2800 personal mmr

[jolly sierra]

oooooooooof

[hidden moth]

wym oof

thats 75% win rate

[severe helm]

lolol it has you at 2800 after 4 games?

or is that just for the week

[hidden moth]

no lol

i was 2403 2 months ago and stoped queing blitz

[severe helm]

aaah gotcha

that makes more sense lol

[hidden moth]

came back to blitz yesterday lost a game then won 3

but mmr is 2800

[jolly sierra]

i wonder

how it raised 400 mmr

in a month

[hidden moth]

mostly farming conq for my weapons

[severe helm]

blitz feels so slow for conq

[hidden moth]

could also be my personal mmr was 2600 ish before me taking a break

[jolly sierra]

can make sense, ye

[hidden moth]

i had a 60% or so win rate before i dipped out as well

pushes 2750 so i can see myself on murlok io leaderboards for the memes

[thorny gate]

is the mastery engi helm worth it for assassin?

[potent pivot]

nah

tier set helm

[thorny gate]

nice saw a couple ppl use it on murlok but vast majority do use tier

[jolly sierra]

@severe helm were u talking about this kind of ppl

[lime oar]

Shot all the way down to 1719

1950 not looking in the cards for me.

[hazy monolith]

does outlaw optimize for 20% haste?

read it somewhere but cant remember

[jaunty osprey]

10

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[hazy monolith]

at there it is

thx

[potent pivot]

you on yet

[jaunty osprey]

nah, working

😦

sup?

[potent pivot]

uncap already feels dope

prolly have full wpvp gear on like every char by the end of the day lol

[jaunty osprey]

Sucks that spoils of war buff

for conq and honor boost

isnt active

[potent pivot]

it's comp stomp again this week

so at least we've got that

[jaunty osprey]

yday i joined a comp stomp that was at 1200-800

was sketchy

[potent pivot]

LOL what

[jaunty osprey]

It was already active

[potent pivot]

every1 i've done in the past week has been like a 4min game

just insta 5cap and graveyard farming

i have to do my crafted shits on the fresh alts

ig at this point basically everything runs lens

[jaunty osprey]

ya basically

I still dont know if the vers loss from assa 4 set is worth it

my rogue jsonjr only runs 2 set

[potent pivot]

the only thing that sucks is some specs run 4set some run 2

like Arms runs 4set and Fury runs 2 i think

surv runs 2 BM runs 4

[severe helm]

Haste tax for HO is technically 9%

But that's based on pve where you have 100% uptime on the 5% haste from alacrity

[lime oar]

@jaunty osprey remember u mentioning leeching fangs enchant for cloak instead of burrowing

ngl the hp regen in stealth is kinda busted

[severe helm]

Fanga is so good

So so so good

[lime oar]

yeh

[jaunty osprey]

Ya

fangs is worth it

idk why no1 plays it

Like 20% of ppl

Even fewer people than I thought

[severe helm]

Speed is so wasted

On cloak

Bracers makes sense

Fang is so good cuz you drop combat on vanish

So it insta starts healing you

[jaunty osprey]

ya

[languid ravine]

did you ever open your details and look at what leech actually gives you in raw hp numbers

[jaunty osprey]

I get so much value from it

yeah

like in a 3v3 match

4 mill

over the game

Slice and dice is like 3-4 mill

[severe helm]

The leech does nothing

Leech is a dead stat

It's all for the passive effect

[jaunty osprey]

leeching poison + leech cape + the passive

crazy healing

leeching poison kinda fucks not gonna lie

esp vs pet classes

[severe helm]

Lol leech is just pad

It will never save you

[jaunty osprey]

Idk if leeching fangs shows on details properly

will never save you, but think of it as a passive hot

in addition with slice and dice

if you go to details

it will literally heal 1 whole healthbar

over a match

[severe helm]

I think leech is the worst secondary personally

Tertiary

[gleaming pawn]

They need to release PvP tier set bonuses. They can be “basic” like 2-piece increase damage by 5% and 4-piece by another 10%. Easily tuneable that way too.

Or they could get fancy and say Rogue 2pc increases builder damage by X and 4pc increases spenders by Y

The fact that pvp so often does not want 4pc for a lot of specs is stupid af

[severe helm]

But why bother then if they're that boring

Pvp gearing should be irrelevant imo

[gleaming pawn]

Because why bother when we don’t even equip 4pc

[severe helm]

Exactly

It doesn't matter anyway

[potent pivot]

nah i agree

[gleaming pawn]

Set bonuses make sense, and is a progression reward

[severe helm]

Gear shouldn't be important in pvp

[potent pivot]

it's dogshit that some specs run 2set and some run 4set

[gleaming pawn]

So having no set is not a good idea

[potent pivot]

it's just annoying af

now that conq is uncapped it's less annoying

but ykwim

[severe helm]

It's only annoying when I'm cross gearing for pve

[candid tide]

devs dont care

[gleaming pawn]

That’s absurdly reductive and doesn’t help any kind of discussion. Blizzard does not want to turn players away. If they truly did not care we would not get tuning passes, new maps, etc. They would shutter pvp entirely and remove the overhead in the codebase

[candid tide]

imagine having epic pvp gear with no any special stuff on it

in 2024

[hazy monolith]

I copied the whaazzler and figured he ended up around 19,15%

[potent pivot]

1.7m mortal strikes and executes at 612ilvl

[potent pivot]

whaazz plays KiR with that much haste

generally wouldn't recommend that build to most people

[hazy monolith]

he switches afaik

[potent pivot]

you don't want that much haste for the regular build

[hazy monolith]

atleast thats what I see on murlokk

[potent pivot]

kir build drops take em by surprise that's the only reason to play more haste from gear

regular build takes it so you only need 9/10% or w/e

[hazy monolith]

well

too late xd

gotta wait for uncap

[severe helm]

hes playing KiR

thats why he has that much haste

you dont want that much haste as HO

tbh crit kinda sucks in pvp so after vers all 3 other stats kinda suck similarly

[severe helm]

its uncapped today if youre NA

[coarse lance]

What’s uncapped conquest?

[potent pivot]

the seasonal cap is lifted

the cap goes up by 600 per week since the beginning of the season

now there is no cap

[hazy monolith]

well im still climbing

ill switch when i hit a wall

its kinda fun with that much haste

[candid tide]

ive made a rule with each character to only gear up when hit 1600 getting the token

[languid ravine]

my DK is cursed, FIVE 0-6 healers in a row and I need just one win zzz

[candid tide]

i stalled DK its so weird playstyle

[languid ravine]

cool I lost against a heal paladin bot because Ele 1 shots my geriatribution paladin

[candid tide]

man ele is too busted

[languid ravine]

heres my reward for being the best dps in the lobby: 2-4 and minus 30 rating

[candid tide]

dps dont mean anything if disc can neutralize it all

[languid ravine]

and I gotta do the whole 40 bombs in the blast furnace again

nope nevermind queue popped after the 30th bomb

[jaunty osprey]

If a healer goes 0-6, you can’t go 2-4

I’m confused

lol

If a healer goes 0-6, you’re 3-3

[languid ravine]

did you read my message where it says enemy ele oneshot my geriatric paladin

its 2 lines below

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, did you see your message where you said FIVE 0-6 healers in a row

Unless there are two separate posts, but no way you finished a queue and lobby in 9 mins

[languid ravine]

I was typing that in round 4 when EVERYONE in the lobby knew that the Holy paladin was a literal actual bot controlled by a computer

well everyone except for my ret paladin I guess

and besides arent you a little smartass taking everything literally

and heres me thinking people can read context clues

[potent pivot]

[languid ravine]

well you proved me wrong good job

[jaunty osprey]

🙂

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

💊

[languid ravine]

that pill better be one of those funny ones I deserve it after that god rant

[jaunty osprey]

Lol

[potent pivot]

spending 20k on every character rn

just for my crafted shits - not even enchants yet

[jaunty osprey]

I finally sold some of those 545 level 70 boes

for 350k x2

Have two left

[potent pivot]

i sold all mine before they removed them

:/

what are ppl commissioning these days for crafted shits

[jaunty osprey]

For pvp?

[potent pivot]

ye

[jaunty osprey]

Put it for 100g if on ZJ

lol

it will get filled

[potent pivot]

o.o

[jaunty osprey]

people don’t care - they can proc resourcefulness off of you

[potent pivot]

true

if they don't use mats they don't really lose anything

[jaunty osprey]

Ye, it will always get filled even with 1g

[lime oar]

Since they announced classic mop, which I never played. What was rogue PvP like?

[potent pivot]

rogue had burst of speed

so it was kinda broken

[jaunty osprey]

Play monk in MoP

: D

It’s the xpac of pandas, you have to go Monk

[potent pivot]

once my orders get filled i'm full geared on basically all 80s

ez

leveled hunter yesterday and basically full gear in a day

[jaunty osprey]

The trick was to cap conq on ur alts but spend 0 of it till today

and gamble w boxes for ur first few

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/w4dlNkVyZN

Blitz isn’t a real bracket confirmed

[severe helm]

yeah blitz rating not counting is annoying lol

but tbh deserved

meme bracket

[lime oar]

The comments on that are gold

[proven field]

They will fix it, blizz is just a reactive-based coding company now

[candid tide]

hence all the quality of life moves they made

gotta compete with supercell

[candid tide]

Lmao DS critting 3m wth

[potent pivot]

new kid on the block? :p

blood dk is the meta dk spec now

[summer ermine]

I faced a lot of them

but this is yet the biggest crit

[severe helm]

wait what

3mil death strike I havent seen that before rofl

[potent pivot]

yeah

1-2m pretty common

[severe helm]

what causes that? Ive been playihng blood in pve didnt know it could hit so hard in pvp

[potent pivot]

i think it's some kinda gimicky one shot

mes has played it a lot he's prolly got vods

[severe helm]

he would haha

[potent pivot]

Apparently the arena gates are bugging

Watched a rogue consistently run straight through the gates while the timer was still counting down

He ran to the enemy gates and insta got bleeds up and bombed etc lmao

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/ztcf3ePSgi

Read top comment

[molten hedge]

How come kalv plays 2 set and not 4 set for sub? Since we do no dmg outside of burst, wouldn’t the 4 set be good since it gives 16% dam for 7 secs on finishers after using tech

[severe helm]

could be the stats arent worth it

sets are nerfed by 50% in pvp

and hed rather just stack more vers/mastery

might outweigh that bonus entirely

and he probably is preferring to send sec-tech late into window potentially as opposed to front loaded

to use it with more dance macabre stacks potentially

since thats how it has been played for a long time

[potent pivot]

It generally just doesn’t matter

[molten hedge]

Oh ok

[potent pivot]

Trill played 4 set

[molten hedge]

Now that conquest not capped, do I just craft every 636 piece vers/mast?

[potent pivot]

Just copy the most used pieces on murlok.io

[molten hedge]

Ya idt it’s updated today

[potent pivot]

1 day won’t change much

Everyone is full geared already

[molten hedge]

I’m up to date but have 4 wpvp pieces vers/mast so I assume I just craft those vers/mast

Gloves belt cape bracers

[safe pelican]

LMAOOOOOO

This has to be fake 😐

[severe helm]

wym

this is a real bug its not fake

[potent pivot]

bug?

[safe pelican]

Oh it’s a bug okay okay

Lmaooooo

[severe helm]

cant buy conq box

[potent pivot]

what bug

[severe helm]

regardless of rating

[potent pivot]

oh i thought we were talking about bdk

[severe helm]

blizz throwing shade at blitzers

ah

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

good chance thats a bug too somehow hahahaha

knowing blizz

[safe pelican]

Lmao Blizz did this on purpose with the rating thing not counting for blitz

If it works for every other rated bracket but blitz i don’t wanna hear it

[safe pelican]

Top 10
Look
At this cool guy

Wtb more bgb tips & tricks to get me 2.4k, will pay with the finest pocket lint Azeroth has to offer

[lilac sigil]

Whats was this Whazz’s secret about outlaw?

[severe helm]

simple knowledge in the outlaw faq

[potent pivot]

it wasn't really a secret at all

[severe helm]

literally whaaz learning basic rtb rules for KiR

[severe helm]

I can only give outlaw tips lol

I can tell you all the nodes and maps you can fast cap/stop cap on with quadruple grapple

[late oriole]

what's the secret to handling all the outlaw buttons I need to press

[severe helm]

doing that alone can win you a ton of games below 2.4

[severe helm]

do a full season of m+ title push where you do your rotation for hours straight until you can see your wa package when you close your eyes

[late oriole]

sounds about right

also I've been in a BG Blitz queue for 58 minutes, someone please help

[severe helm]

its so brutal

the queues suuuuuck for blitz

[late oriole]

I should done this at the beginning of the season

[severe helm]

Yeah its taken me 2 full weeks of queueing like 4 hours a night just to get my cr up

[jaunty osprey]

Should’ve had all of those crafted already

Well most of them

[severe helm]

I fucked up my gearing cuz I used my conq to help my pve gearing early in the season haha

still have some honor gear

[jaunty osprey]

Plunderstorm Jan 21-Feb 24

[molten hedge]

There wasn’t enough conquest lol

I was playing 4 pcs for assa

So that’s the move then? Craft all those vets/mast for sub and assa

[jaunty osprey]

So either season 2 is Feb 25 or Feb 18 or smth (1 week of offseason?)

[jaunty osprey]

Ye

I mean there was def enough conq

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Zul'jin/Jsonjr
i think this char has 1.2k unspent too

I didn’t have to craft 2x wep

[molten hedge]

I crafted boots

So we have 3 pieces that are wpvp but ya u have enough conquest to get 1-2. Idk what I did lmao

[jaunty osprey]

They typical uncap when there is enough conq to buy the whole conq set on a char

[molten hedge]

Oh it’s bc I’m playing 4 set

You’re not on that character

[jaunty osprey]

I have 1225 unspent

And crafted 2x wep

I can be 4 set

Lol

[molten hedge]

Idk brother LMAO

I have 2x crafted wep as well

U should see my other rogue I did horrible gearing

[jaunty osprey]

i think everyone fucked up at first

D:

[molten hedge]

Trickz tried to help me save it lol

[jaunty osprey]

Conq uncapped so good to be able to fix shit

I’m gonna try to have 2 sets

Vs cleave comps more vers heavy jewellery

[molten hedge]

At the end of the day is it rly gonna break u if u have a couple pcs with haste? Nah but it’s nice to have for min max haha

[severe helm]

Damn that's super far from now

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, holiday break coming soon from Blizz in a few weeks then the 11.0.7 patch when they’re back in office

so kinda makes sense

[severe helm]

Yeah true

Blizz is gonna hit the mmr cap for sure

I bet cutoffs for the meta specs hits like 3400

[hidden moth]

bless dagger issue is fixed

[jaunty osprey]

now u gotta fix the mog

damn u have 2k more stam than me

i gotta finish capping

[potent pivot]

huh

isn't that just outside of pvp stamina from crafted item ilvl or somethin

or are you talkin about upgrading the conq gear

[jaunty osprey]

nah that's his pvp stats

and that's mine too

he's all 639, i still have 3 pieces at 636

[potent pivot]

How are you behind

Wpvp pieces?

[jaunty osprey]

cause

i just logged in

LOL

i didnt play yet

[severe helm]

It happens man

I didn't expect cap to be this low this far in haha

[potent pivot]

Naw I just meant in general

The stam

[potent pivot]

It’s kinda insane they don’t uncap pve stuff

[lime oar]

Did yall see the post on that 🤣

[potent pivot]

Like valor stones. Their only use is for me to get different tints of tier set transmog so it’s hard not to sit at cap all season

[lime oar]

The dude ranting about pve still being capped?

[potent pivot]

It’s kinda dumb that they don’t uncap it idk

[lime oar]

It def is but this is wild, hand on ill find it

[potent pivot]

And shit like valor stones should be warband

[severe helm]

Bro valor stones SUUUUUUUCK

My God what a horrible system

[potent pivot]

Yeah I cba doing any pve these days ngl

[severe helm]

Pvp players getting the love

That's hilarious

[potent pivot]

The upgrade system LOOKS dog shit

[severe helm]

That's the biggest meme I've heard in a while

Everything about it is great

Except valorstones

It's otherwise perfect

[potent pivot]

I hate farming dungeons 100 times for bis items

Nty

[lime oar]

They absolutely should uncap both modes at the same time.

[worthy crag]

well pvers have a shitty time grinding crests for their alts

[hidden moth]

when are we gonna tell them about rating reward

[worthy crag]

a timed run above +8 gives 12 crests

[hidden moth]

while the pve grind is loot gear more loot and gear

the pvp grind is 1/4th about gear

3/4ths about rating

[worthy crag]

not really i mean

1500 rated players take gearing and conq capping just as seriously as those above

maybe less of them, but still

I can kinda see the point behind asking for crest cap removal when hall of fame has already been filled

either that or increasing crest gain

Im not sure if it's something to be so upset about as to make an essay comment on wowhead though lmao

[severe helm]

I think it's more so that they want gearing to be as easy as pvp

Pvp is def easier to gear up in

But I think a LOT of pvers like the gear progression journey

That's like part of the content

Removing that would be dumb

[thorny gate]

a crest boost would be real nice, ive been playing ret pala in pve but ive been grinding pvp i havent had time to grind m+ also

[hidden moth]

pve is all about gear prog jorney tbh

[languid ravine]

my take on how to fix Valor stones:
-fix the godawful UI I got zero clue what stone does what and If I'm up- or downgrading my stones at the vendor
-if you upgrade any item slot to any tier, every item in that slot needs to be free or at least heavily discounted to catch up

[hidden moth]

pvp gearing needs to be fairly quick and manageable otherwise a new pvper is gonna be eating shit at 600 ilvl vs 639

a catchup to full 639 for pvp has to be a thing, a good player at 600 ilvl will have a easier time clearing heroic raid and +10s than a same skill level player trying to push to 2k rating

[worthy crag]

uhhh

unless you have a very consistent group of friends

theres no universe where a 600 ilvl will get an invitation to heroic or +10s

Def depends on which type of players u have on bnet

if you have the right friends hitting 2k with green honor gear is p easy too

both will be fairly difficult as solo

jesus christ

If I had a nickel every time I buy mats for algari competitor items

and go straight to the work order NPC without picking up from my mailbox

[hidden moth]

im not saying ur getting invited

im saying

pve is easier to do with low ilvl than pvp

pve u can slow pull u can use other classes techs special skips etc bc its a dungeon every mob is the same all the abilitys are the same all the timers are the same etc

[worthy crag]

Idk, I feel like pvp has more room for solo carry tbh

like if I had to choose between hitting 2000 with half honor-pvp geared alt

and timing +8s and above with a 600 ilvl gear

i'm definitely going with the first option

2000 including RSS/blitz

might be a diff story in 3s

could prob do it in 2s depending on comp

[thorny gate]

depends on class, i started playing as mage but got tired of fire not being fixed so i switched to ret , did a +7 necro wake at like 580 ilvl

[worthy crag]

I wouldnt be at the mercy of applying to LFGs waiting for invites or getting my key up to a certain threshold to host groups myself

can just queue up in solo and afk

[thorny gate]

solo q m+ when

[carmine oak]

is there a good 2v2 guide for assasination?

[potent pivot]

play with a healer and kill people

[carmine oak]

but what do i press

[potent pivot]

it's pretty much the same as playing assa in any other bracket

[carmine oak]

no but i only play m+ from my name

how do you actually play assa in pvp

XD

[worthy crag]

put bleeds, press kidney on cd

dont get full stunned behind a pillar, press cds when your healer cant

should get you to 1950

[carmine oak]

sounds good

ok

[worthy crag]

make sure to trinket the first sap of the game

[carmine oak]

bro im like 600 ilvl with no pvp gear

HAHA

[worthy crag]

I think it's comp stomp week for 7 more days

so

ur in luck

q comp stomp while doing WQs that award bloody tokens

should be good to go

[carmine oak]

im queue'ing 2's with my disc friend

[worthy crag]

🤷‍♂️ at least youll lose so much with your pve gear that youll place yourself in a real easy mmr bracket and start winning

at least place your toon out in a warmode zone so you can pick up crates every once in a while between queues

[carmine oak]

nah i'll just sit in dornogal and queue

hehe

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot https://www.twitch.tv/foxyllama/clip/ModernBillowingAppleTakeNRG-MmtbHbo2KrCLBd05

foxy mad

at my 1 shot

[fleet kelp]

Does anyone know what this item/ ability is?

[fleet kelp]

Thank you

[jaunty osprey]

1 more envenom big crit - https://www.twitch.tv/foxyllama/clip/TenaciousHotShrimpDancingBaby-zAfD7OXKb9b6etri

jk foxy just deletes the clips

[wet crown]

Interested in seeing sin and outlaw in both arenas and blitz. Who are some good people to watch?

[waxen meteor]

fresh alt reached 1800 in 33 solo, so like 5 lobbies. including a bad 0-6

15 blitz still sucking at 1300..

[languid ravine]

dont worry it gets good 30-35% of the time after 80 games

just need to have a little patience

[waxen meteor]

-.-

[hidden moth]

send help

seth, omni, timstah, reeeeee why am i in their lobbies

[waxen meteor]

Is aracne mage even good at bg?

[severe helm]

its not great but you can just play objectively and get pretty high rated

I have a friend who doesnt know at all what their rotation is as arcane, spams spell steal the entire game, and plays objectives/spams sheep and theyre like 27-2800

[hidden moth]

send fucking help

2nd blitz in a row with seth and timsta. i did not ask for these 2900+ lobbies

[severe helm]

theyre on your team just dont throw

its free

but you do have born

so that sucks

hpal is fucking useless

unless its a flag map

[hidden moth]

nah 2nd game they were opposite

eots im capping dr i smoke bomb cap while mage walls the bridge. mage too slow on wall and outlaw rogue gets past it and grapples to my flag and pistol shots me to stop cap from inside my bomb bc lol 4 hooks

the 1st game was troll bc seth lost mines while we were at ww, then i get left solo ww, boomie shows up, im sitting by the shadowsight to insta sap any rogue that tried grabbing it. bommie starts capping, i get hung on a fence by ssight and spam step but was oor and by the time i threw a knife bc i realized i was oor thinking i shouldve been in range. cap went through and we got 3 capped

im playing tired af and am going to bed but yeah. dont wanna be with the uber sweats

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

another 545 level 70 boe

ezpz

[lime oar]

wtf

where do u even get those

[jaunty osprey]

first 3 weeks of season

picklocking boxes guaranteed it

[round willow]

korrak revenge/ AV is bugged and people can get out the gate before timer goes out :(

[potent pivot]

all pvp gates are bugged now afaik

[dim oriole]

I thought it was just me, was getting out in some blitzs on ~5s

[hybrid vessel]

blitz queues fucked atm?

[indigo hill]

What's everyone doing with their bloody tokens? Can't send them to alts and can't buy boxes like the conquest ones.

[gusty hedge]

kirian arena can walk right through the barrier up to enemies face before countdown ends although i dnt recommend abusing it as the people in my shuffle suggested i do just to win. Blizz dnt play

[jaunty osprey]

Just using it for transmog now

[stoic spruce]

Losing DB sucked

Losing DB to make Crackshot more healthier makes me hate crackshot enjoyers

[indigo hill]

Still not playing Crackshot?

[granite crystal]

Morning boys! can i ask for what spec play in pvp mostly solo? i like the 3 specs. Tnx ❤️

[candid tide]

play all 3 most fun

outlaw is the popular spec rn

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/finally-rita-yes-gif-16033279135139184574

[jaunty osprey]

God damn, BG week with comp stomp is actually so insane

and using vicious flask of honor

[proven field]

Just switching to ally is the most relaxing thing ever

I can literally just wander over to every single crate and murder every single bounty in 5 seconds

https://tenor.com/view/tim-and-eric-its-free-money-gif-25018125

[safe pelican]

After 130 Blitz games and still being stuck below 1600 with the shitters I am burnt out from wow 3 day break might break the hiatus today been doing 2 levels a day on my multibox rogue lmao that’s all i can take

[safe pelican]

Life is much better now that I’m ally on my outlaw rogue AND yes! i have been wining more blitz games idc what yall say horde sucks unless its the Orc racial

[waxen meteor]

wow 2 instant queues at solo arena

[dark stump]

is there a guide on what rotation ? i feel like i do 0 damage

[gusty hedge]

i swap over to alt rogue if i lose 3 back to back if i lose again rotate to another alt

[gray dune]

where can i look at teams and what classes go good with what?

[proven field]

Although not all gravy on Ally side lol - I am going to need a donut pillow

[dark stump]

i can't find this quest

oh nvm it's an achievement now

[safe pelican]

Big brain play there I should have my multibox rogue to 80 today get some conq boxes and hop in shuffle on that while I queue blitz on the pirate rogue 🏴‍☠️

[safe pelican]

SMH lookin like a horde player out there brother 😂 jk ik

[proven field]

It's ok, the gods of alt-gearing gave me a Wintergrasp to finish the weekly so free bonus 250 conq

[lime oar]

Theres other vicious flasks if anyone else didn’t know. I had no idea until yesterday

[potent pivot]

Ehh not quite lol

[jaunty osprey]

Outlaw is what’s meta

Sin and then sub is what’s popular

2497 sub rogues above 1k in SS in NA

3802 sin rogues above 1k in SS in NA

737 outlaw rogues above 1k in SS in NA

[potent pivot]

Imo that makes sin and sub meta still

[jaunty osprey]

ok not wrong, but there are 4131 rshams above 1k but 4538 presvokers

And 4417 MWs

[candid tide]

they cant just play outlaw .. and neither i

[potent pivot]

We’ve seen outlaw much more popular in comparison in the past

Like in SL I think

[severe helm]

why do these sell for so much?

[severe helm]

p sure blitz doesnt pair you up by faction

its totally random

[severe helm]

even when outlaw is by far the best of the 3 specs it still barely sees more play

its really hard to reroll to

its like survival hunter

or arcane mage

[candid tide]

ye cause u dont really feel like rogu playing it

[severe helm]

I mean

I think its more rogue than assa

since its very control oriented

[candid tide]

poison makes sense as rogu u know

bleeding out etc

outlaw is like a fighter like class

[severe helm]

yeah sub still feels the most rogue like

Outlaws class fantasy def strays from rogue

but how outlaw plays is more rogue than assa imo

very very setup oriented

[proven field]

I think pirate was a solid idea tbh, we just get stuck too far down the Rogue = Ninja/Assassin route

Combat was always a Scoundrel/Brigand

[potent pivot]

Because it’s lvl 80 ilvl but usable by lvl 70s

They’re kinda insane for lvl 70 twinks that level boost people or just twink for fun

[severe helm]

aaaah

[proven field]

Even grabbing the PVP trinkets at 70 is a huge boost

[potent pivot]

Is that even possible

Other than DF trinkets

[potent pivot]

This season’s trinkets require lvl 80 I’m pretty sure

[severe helm]

yeah I really feel like blizzard needs to lean into the pirate theme for outlaw more

pirate/gunslinger

theyre missing out

[sage ermine]

aright as someone who is really bad at rogue, what spec is my best chance at 1800 for the mog

[severe helm]

assa

[molten hedge]

Yea. Never played rogue ever and got 2250 cr as assa in a few weeks in shuffle

Now I’m stuck at 1850 as Sub lol to be fair it is a very hard spec to pick up

[sage ermine]

I did 1600 on 2 alts on my rogue back in DF rather than go for 1800

liked that set a lot

rogue seems to be the one class I can never really get to click

[candid tide]

u came from a high rated class

[molten hedge]

With all the hpals Assa is good but not great. Sub’s just hard. I think if I can get better at cc and sapping out of combat and choosing who and when I duel/bomb, that’ll get me to 2k+

[proven field]

You can grab these and roll with 606 trinkets all the way from 70-80

Everything else is gated to 80 unfort but they.. I dunno never fixed the trinkets? Super cheap too, usually like 700g each on AH

[dark stump]

any advice on my talent for ss?

[proven field]

Pirate theme would work, go back to trying more of a "Highwayman" theme again, even a Musketeer/Swordmaster with a flourish would work. The bummer is we get a little bit of each even though they span 3 genres and like 400 years of content

[potent pivot]

looks like the same build that's pinned here

[potent pivot]

ah i didn't know these were 70

i just stick with random trinkets and buy honor trinkets when i hit 80

[dark stump]

ah my wrong one

[proven field]

I actually miss the dumb stuff like the cannonball AOE - least it had some theme to it

[dark stump]

i saw in murlok.io that they use doomblade instead of kingsbane

[severe helm]

yeah wtf people are dropping kingsbane now as assa?

[potent pivot]

we all played without kingsbane at the start of the season because it was nerfed

[severe helm]

damn how do you even do your go?

[severe helm]

just kidney people and envenom them over and over?

[potent pivot]

you can either play what they play on murlok or play the build that's pinned here. it doesn't matter.

[dark stump]

i think it's just more consistent since kingsbane is more a burst if i'm not wrong

[potent pivot]

there is no real "go"

[severe helm]

wow that must be reaaaally easy to play haha

[dark stump]

technically yes

[severe helm]

setting up KB was the only hard part of assa

[potent pivot]

you just keep bleeds spread on everything and kidney on CD

[severe helm]

wiiiiiiiiiiild

[potent pivot]

a couple of the top assa's play the build that's pinned here

it generally doesn't matter which one you play, just preference

[dark stump]

if i'm not wrong (since i saw it on ytb) to set up kingsbane
it's just to use shiv instantly after kingsbane right ?

[potent pivot]

shiv before kb

and try to use kb and supercharger envenoms when they are under execute range if ever possible

[dark stump]

wait wat i tought u had to use shiv after kb bruh

[potent pivot]

no

if you shiv after pressing kb you aren't amping it's initial hit

that's bad

[dark stump]

execute range it's the 35% right?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[lapis flare]

Should I play tea or induction for SS

As Sin

[potent pivot]

personal preference

[lapis flare]

I see top rated doing induction, but maybe tea is better for rat league new rogue?

[potent pivot]

prolly yeah

[lapis flare]

I also just want the set lol

[dark stump]

wait a second just in case induction overcharge so it can go over my limite combo point or am i using it wrong?

[candid tide]

bang bang!

[lapis flare]

I am new to rogue and I didn't realize how hard it is to restealth, it seems like vanish without cloak is almost useless defensively because I'm always immediately taken back out of stealth

And I'm playing OP nelf for the racial

[candid tide]

windwalker

[dark stump]

i hate monk

[lapis flare]

(there's no way to macro the nelf racial and stealth right)

[dark stump]

there's

[potent pivot]

supercharger/forced induction just add combo points to your finishers

[candid tide]

time to gear up

[dark stump]

it does go over the limit?

[potent pivot]

yes

[dark stump]

ooof i tought i was dumb

[potent pivot]

it just adds 2 or 3 combo points

to any charged finisher you press

[lapis flare]

@dark stump mind sharing the macro

[potent pivot]

it's very simple

[dark stump]

didn't said i have i just said that u can do it

./cast name of the spell etc...

u can use chatgpt too

[potent pivot]

/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```

[dark stump]

??? u already have it ready?

[potent pivot]

i typed it

[dark stump]

nop u are lying it was less than a 1min

[potent pivot]

...what

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-detected-detector-gif-15460730

[orchid plinth]

The only caveat is that you have to press it at least two times. You can't do a one press macro, if I am not mistaken.

[potent pivot]

it takes 5 seconds```

[potent pivot]

sometimes it works with 1 press

sometimes it takes 2, meld macros are weird

[orchid plinth]

what did i expect

[potent pivot]

[orchid plinth]

I suppose most people mash that button like it's a glowing execute button facing a priest at 7% hp anyways

[jaunty osprey]

It works with 1 if you’re out of combat

if you’re in combat it takes 2

reason being is they’re both off GCD

It cant stealth u same time as meld cause you’re in combat when meld is being pressed

[potent pivot]

[dark stump]

at least it won't be worse thant the auto kick macro

[lapis flare]

So how do you use vanish when everything takes you out of stealth, or do you have to cloak before you vanish to really "escape"

Seems like everything puts a dot on you nowadays

[dark stump]

depend if u want to vanish to run and wait ur cd or heal u cloak
if u want to vanish to clear a cc and massacrate the enemy u don't cloak

[jolly sierra]

show me ur build to plagiarize it w my own

[dark stump]

note that it won't work if a physical damage deal is doing an aoe

[severe helm]

thats for pve

pve plays around the last tick of KB being huge

pvp you just use it for the first hit

[dark stump]

thx

[orchid plinth]

Yeah that makes sense it's at least consistent.
I believe, while macros are executed from top to bottom, all the clauses are checked at the same time. You haven't actually left combat after the /cast Shadowmeld line has executed, so the stealth line wont work. Something like that bad with words etc.

[lapis flare]

What button do you all use to set ur focus

[molten hedge]

F1/F2/F3 or shift scroll mouse wheel up/down/back

Scroll up/down/back for targeting but mostly just tab target nearest player

[candid tide]

alt123

u can do ctrl qwe also

[indigo hill]

I know bm is stupid strong now but my God that spec is boring.

[orchid plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-30rock-forever-and-ever-now-and-forever-gif-21884305

[dark stump]

btw a feral/lock affliction/priest who is the best to focus for a rogue ?

[lapis flare]

What's the win con of sin versus outlaw?

Or, what makes outlaw harder to play than sin for a beginner?

[stoic spruce]

Lack of kill pressure

[potent pivot]

Outlaw is high APM and has CDR on most abilities that is dependent on high uptime and cycling through finishers. It also just does less damage.

[stoic spruce]

I completely missed the new player part

[potent pivot]

Imo once you’re used to it outlaw is easier to play rotation wise

But doing your rotation properly while also utilizing your utility is hard for beginners I guess

[stoic spruce]

I'm ready for the secret whaaz sauce

[potent pivot]

There was no secret sauce

[stoic spruce]

I can't imagine there was

[potent pivot]

It was KiR rtb tech that we’ve known forever

[stoic spruce]

I'm so shocked

Look at me

I'm hysterical

[potent pivot]

He said none of the top outlaws in pvp knew it

Trill knew it, idk what other top outlaw was playing KiR except those 2 a couple weeks ago

[stoic spruce]

I've been playing KiR, was I secretly with thie shits the whole time?

Throw me in coach, I'm ready.

[potent pivot]

Tbh I don’t think KiR is better than HO

[stoic spruce]

I have a hard time believing it as well

[potent pivot]

It might be decent in shuffles where matches end fast and you aren’t getting CCed a lot

[severe helm]

yeah hes just egoing

[potent pivot]

But meh

[severe helm]

same actually

even as a HEAVY KiR enthusiast

I think KiR is still worse in pvp

[stoic spruce]

Some talents just have that fate of being bad in pvp

Some might even say

Bound by fate

Perhaps even.....

Fatebound

[lime oar]

Fatebound assa enjoyer

[stoic spruce]

No

Out

https://tenor.com/view/no-family-guy-bad-dog-newspaper-peter-gif-8108196576766934699

[jaunty osprey]

I mean

Just remember that he was literally playing HO

And Trill too

If Echo lost he wouldn’t even have been discussing any “tech”

[tawdry imp]

am I doing it wrong by not planting flags and emoting every single person I kill ever

who are you people, show yourselves

[stoic spruce]

Depends

Sub right?

[grave lake]

hey guys, im just a newbie learning rogue, what is the stat priority to pvp?

[tawdry imp]

as anything really

[candid tide]

type in google, bis gear rogue (spec) skillcapped ull get free guide

[grave lake]

oh thanks

Last time i played this game resilience was a thing lol

Everything is new to me

[severe helm]

depends on the spec

assa and sub play mastery vers

outlaw aims for 9% haste then you want vers > crit

[gleaming pawn]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[grave lake]

thanks for the help guys, currently im running the assa build

[hidden moth]

getting 2k honor a match rn

is juicer

[jolly sierra]

how lol

guys is normal to see the moon like this lol

[jaunty osprey]

It’s BG week! BGs give more honor - blitz, comp stomp, etc

And with the flask

[fervent shell]

this means you have seven days to live

[jolly sierra]

goot shit, im in

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[spring bough]

Getting 24 rating a win almost in blitz lol. 1622 rating at 2900 mmr. wild times lol

[wary thistle]

Oh man that's a throwback

[spring bough]

Imagine being the richest man on earth and being #1 in Diablo four 😂

[potent pivot]

Someone needs to get that man into wow pvp

[spring bough]

That’s what I’m saying

[potent pivot]

Maybe then we’ll get some attention

[spring bough]

He’d be like top of the top

😂

I just don’t understand how he has time to do that lmao

[potent pivot]

He’d prolly play mage or some shit

[spring bough]

Is that Spiritborn? Looks like that’s what he used for #1 lol

[severe helm]

hes probably just playing in meetings

not like anyone can tell him to stop

and its not like d4 requires full attention you can kinda just grind it out

[gray dune]

is it still the same amount of points to earn a vicious saddle?

[languid ravine]

I cant even imagine being rich enough to buy a 90 dollar seasonal patch

[torpid swan]

what crit/haste/vers % are we aiming for on outlaw?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

should look something like this outside of pvp gear scaling

[torpid swan]

dont these numbers fluctuate if u leveled them up?

also jesus i have way too much haste

[potent pivot]

wdym

[torpid swan]

if u item upgraded

for pve

[potent pivot]

that doesn't affect the pvp scaling

you need ~10% haste while pvp scaled

[torpid swan]

yea but if i look at my stats outside of pvp situation, then it shows inflated stats cus of the level ups no?

[potent pivot]

so hit the pvp target dummy

~10% haste -> dump everything else into crit

[torpid swan]

yea yea im asking cus u mentioned on the image that that's how it should look like outside of pvp scaling

but yea i get the point

thx!

[potent pivot]

np

[outer sky]

Lol I just had an SS lobby with all 3 rogue specs plus an enhancement shaman and the shaman went 0-6

[potent pivot]

That one rogue’s damage looks BAD lol

[outer sky]

he was a sub rogue

[potent pivot]

Oh 171m nvm

I thought it said 17m lmao

[languid ravine]

isnt this the average of 50 players? what if there are different reasons for different stats

[potent pivot]

No, that’s 1 player

That’s what your stats should look like for the HO build which is the generally recommended build

[halcyon timber]

Don’t think so. That’s the blue child and the white one is the white lady (a reflection of elune which the druids worship). The sun is an’she which the sunwalkers and other Tauren tribes worship. Probably foreshadowing something coming in midnight. Would be wise to look at Sargeras’s star too. Devs said if that goes out, we should be concerned (bfa/legion dev interviews)

[lime oar]

Where is that?

[halcyon timber]

Can be seen in dornogal the same. The blue child is def getting closer

That looks like tol barad to me (in the photo)

[lime oar]

I guess I don’t pay attention to the moon often so idk what it would normally look like

[halcyon timber]

In legion the white lady was close at times and now an’she and the blue child have been strangely getting closer. They also released a book recently talking about it all

In legion n’zoth also voided the sky near the end forshadowing things after freeing suramar and such . It was cool.

There was also a trinket in DF referencing the moons out of the raid i think. Its fitting given the circumstances atm

“The lord of ravens will turn the key” may finally be playing out (old god whisper from Il’ganoth or whatever his name was) . Cool creepy shit. (Because of khadgar escaping the amulet possibly and them breaking it)

[proven field]

This is very cool but how do you know all this

Half the time I am convinced N'zoth is actually a videocard company

[halcyon timber]

Lots of reading and paying attention to blizzs free comics and played a lot of expansions

Lots of stay a while and listen options from npcs and stuff. The new audio book on wow’s yt narrated by the main man Chris Metzen (Thrall aka Go’el) was also sick.

[stoic spruce]

crackshot is dead

somehow too nerfed

[gleaming pawn]

Remember the good old days when GSW was good and got kills

[stoic spruce]

yeah

miss those days

[lime oar]

I would consider playing outlaw if GSW was good

[vocal surge]

What nerf?

Was literally away for like 2 days

[stoic spruce]

from when they unnerfed ace

[severe helm]

its been the same since like DF S4

[stoic spruce]

oh yeah then too

[severe helm]

crackshot is still better than GSW cuz with GSW you have even less burst on a spec that already has almost no burst

but you could try to drop GS for GSW

[stoic spruce]

imagine playing outlaw for its burst

the burst its definitely historically had

[severe helm]

imagine trying to win with outlaw by intentionally untalenting its only burst

[stoic spruce]

try?

cute

[severe helm]

its not like it has high consistent damage haha

only time youll top the meters is when you can pad with bladeflurry

[stoic spruce]

sure

[candid tide]

im so raged wtf

ive just done all my ui and keybinds

then i shuffle popped and everything was gone and to shit

[severe helm]

yeaaaaah

any keybind/bar changes you do while in queue dont stay around

its a dumb thing

[candid tide]

omg..

[wet crown]

I had a feeling the shaman would get bullied.

[potent pivot]

Iirc reloading your ui will lock your changes in btw

[candid tide]

thanks for the tip ima def do that next time

[severe helm]

oo thats good to know

[potent pivot]

Yeah happened to me way too many times now I reload out of habit even if I’m not in q

[proven field]

You really notice it when you hop on say a feral alt and just burst to 1M dps - it's like "oh crap, guess outlaw isn't pounding as hard as I thought"

[severe helm]

yeah outlaw really is one of the lowest damage specs in the game

if not THE lowest

sub def does less overall but it has burst at least

[jaunty osprey]

outlaw vs sin rogue, sin just gets fucked on the opener every time though

by outlaw

and has to trinket/vanish

[indigo hill]

Next time do a /reload when you're done. The bars will then stay as you made them.

[proven field]

I have made the worst thing ever - full mastery outlaw but not going into that longer BF spec

just... crackshot Outlaw with mastery.. but it's super fun

[potent pivot]

[steel scarab]

After gaining +70 solo shuffle points across 2 matches and probably an hour in queue, I'm like, fuck it, I'll go for 3 wins

Another 30 minute queue. Match 3, I get in, lose round 1, my teammates screech at me, then my PC crashes from a memory leak.

Giga fun

[potent pivot]

oof

[steel scarab]

So basically 2 hours of queue to get some decent gains was reversed within 60 seconds lmao

50 wins at 2400, idk how people can do it with queue times this bad

I'm just about 2000 and nobody is playing

I'll say it again, for probably the 3rd season in a row: they need to add a healer-less solo shuffle queue

Queues would be instantaneous, games would be mega fast paced

Could you imagine actually being able to slam like 40 matches in a night because queues are instant?

Healers are the rate limiting factor and they desperately need to remove that rate limiting factor if they don't want their game to die

Oh, another thing:

Did you guys ever play warcraft 3 ladder? The ladder eventually implemented decay. What's decay? It means your MMR decreases if you don't queue for a week or two. This prevents several issues. For example, players would no longer be able to take advantage of early bugs, talent exploits, and unfair gear comps other players don't have access to, getting massive MMR gains, and then sitting at the top of the ladder and never touching that character again for the rest of the season, sitting at a ranking that nobody else can touch because everyone playing during mid-season has been nerfed / is now playing against opponents wearing full conquest gear, so it's a completely different playing field

Decay would also force people to play consistently, which would very obviously help queues, since they'd have to continuously actually play the game in order to prevent their rank from decaying from inactivity

Please tell Blizzard they should take some of the core concepts from the geniuses that designed their ladder back in the year 2000

Back when there was no monthly fee or cosmetic rewards or gear upgrades or real money transactions and people just played because they genuinely loved the competition

Regarding M+: fear of failure is a massive turnoff for a lot of people. Surely you folks remember playing the old version of wow, going into like, Scholomance and wiping a ton of times but learning along the way, explaining the mechanics to the less experienced people? The lack of a timer fostered that sort of a learning environment. The way rewards currently work in M+, that sort of community-driven environment has been crushed. Someone doesn't know the Surgeon Stitchflesh fight? Leave the dungeon, because there is no realistic way to explain that fight during a timed M+ run without bricking the key.

Keep M+ super hard, I have zero issues with that, but FFS, the timer needs to go. If a 5 man group of super mediocre players want to trudge their way through an M+ dungeon undergeared, and they manage to finish it in 3 hours, why does Blizzard care? FFS, Blizzard should be thrilled they engaged their content for 3 hours. REWARD THEM

TLDR: basic complaints about the terrible way endgame systems are handled

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Oh, one more:

Why does Blizzard not allow casuals to get Heroic/Mythic track gear by doing world quests? I have a friend, a 65 year old surgeon IRL, who legitimately does not have the skill to do M+ or even heroic raiding. But he LOVES upgrading his gear. Once he maxes his delve gear he legitimately has no content to do that allows him to continue upgrading his stuff. Why

Would there be any sort of harm to just adding Heroic track gear / upgrades for world quests now, and Mythic track rewards for world quests super late in the season? What would it hurt? I cannot see any downside to this.

It would just give tons of mega casuals (which are, like it or not, the MAJORITY of the playerbase), something to do

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undead raptor

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Where's that thing come from?!

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king's rest dungeon

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We got this weird mount for doing the normal mode raid achievements

It is uh. Strange looking

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looks similar to the pvp mount this season

the vicious skyflayer

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I started playing some 2s with my colleague arms/disc and the number of BM hunters at this garbage rating is astonishing. And they are annoying

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yeah BM is still pretty popular

it's just too easy to play

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its so easy

also have you ever seen this before @potent pivot

1.2mil fatebound coin as assa?

maybe this is why people are playing it

seems bugged on damage

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hmm

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like

thats way too high

he didnt have zerker or anything

as outlaw my max is like 500k

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it probably got buffed by zoldyck's

or some shit

lemme hop over to my rogue

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this was the actual death

zoldyks is only 15%

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the coin is nature damage

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OH ITS COSMIC

LOOOOOOOOOOL

holy shit

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so shiv, zoldycks

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even then

thats like 45% more dam

but my max crit as outlaw is 580k

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but it isn't treated as a DoT/poison/bleed

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hmm

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so that's odd

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yeah very strange

wonder if its some bugged pvp modifier

so cant replicate it on dummies

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yeah idk it looks garbage

up to 1m bombs and kill shots 💪

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so apparently mastery buffs it

so tea + mastery + shiv

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idk i used tea and everything on a target dummy in execute

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yeah maybe he had like some boomy buff that increases spell damage

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