pvp

[jaunty osprey]

oh fuck

i totally misunderstood

his question

LOL

[severe helm]

yeah I figured haha

[hybrid vessel]

can we buy conq crates with the cap gone?

[languid ravine]

didnt play Shadowlands but I remember Bfa season 3, they would queue double DH and ONE of them can kill you in 2 globals with essence break and mastery stacked fel sweep

[jaunty osprey]

no1 knows yet

but hopefully

[hybrid vessel]

okay 🙂 holding on to some conq for now then 😛

[jaunty osprey]

on NA there is a WQ for 500 bloody tokens up right now

make sure to do them on alts

too

[halcyon timber]

Dhs think they need buffs to be ridiculous pretty much atm. Me no laser pew pew for 40% of life, gaim bad nao

[vocal surge]

My face when I watch a Demon Hunter's Eye Beam do 3.5M of my HP in .5s on top of 1.5M Demon Surge

[halcyon timber]

ITs Not EnOugh

https://i.imgflip.com/59o52l.png

dhs

[vocal surge]

XD

[jolly sierra]

nerf them and spread their weaker abilities damage with buffs so they makes effort playing

[halcyon timber]

If they cannot play on a snes controller then they aren’t happy

[jolly sierra]

snes? they are all skibidi kids

[halcyon timber]

XD

[jolly sierra]

is w the phone, obviously

https://tenor.com/view/kid-praying-skibidi-toilet-gif-6212637397548653112

[potent pivot]

100% lied to

He kinda doesn’t though

[severe helm]

wasnt he also saying the "cant be parried" from trickster works in pvp?

[potent pivot]

That one I haven’t fully tested

[severe helm]

I tested it at start of season, def doesnt work on fist of fury

[potent pivot]

But saying a sword offhand is better than a dagger is completely 100% without a doubt false information

[severe helm]

and p sure it was one of the comments in the hero talen tree feedback and a blue post said it doesnt work in pvp

[severe helm]

they probably hit the dummy for like 1 minute and deduced from there

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

how long did it take u to level

to 80

from 70

[potent pivot]

It should only take a couple hours really

Maybe 3-4 with dps dungeon queues if you aren’t getting a consistent group the re queues

[jaunty osprey]

timewalking dungeons or tww dungeons better?

[potent pivot]

Timewalking for sure

[jaunty osprey]

hm kk

[potent pivot]

Yeah, idk man. Somehow they believe trickster is better than fatebound when legit everyone else says otherwise. Can’t trust the napkin math of people.

[severe helm]

but KS go brr!

I think people want it to be better cuz it doesnt rely as heavily on crackshot

and tbh both trees will work at most ratings

neither of them are unplayable bad

I think its more troll in pve cuz KS will just kill you randomly

[molten hedge]

Nahj plays tricker and kalv plays DS for sub. Any idea why @potent pivot

[severe helm]

nahj is a sub player moonlighting as outlaw haha

[potent pivot]

DS is better ST and burst

Trickster gives Sub a little bit of free cleave

[severe helm]

are you sure nahj is trickster as outlaw

[potent pivot]

No

[severe helm]

says fatebound on check-pvp

[potent pivot]

Sub

[severe helm]

oh

yeah for sub it seems a lot more preference

doesnt change your win condition much

[potent pivot]

DS is better but slightly more difficult because of the Mark

Trickster can be good into comps that stack

Other than that it’s just personal preference

[jaunty osprey]

im so confused why

dungeon finger

puts me with people only on my server

[jolly sierra]

maybe because there are enough ppl from ur server in Q so it priorized them

[severe helm]

yeah I could see that

probably less stress on their servers or something

[molten hedge]

On my bars I have strike and backstab on same bind which may be rlly bad for DS during dance to build CP if not cheating. I can see trickster maybe being better for me as a new sub since it removes one part of the equation. But I can see what u mean on DS. I hit a 2.4 mil evisc in a duel last night which is sick af lol

[spring bough]

Love the snarky comments.

Here’s @vocal surge “napkin Math” as you say

[potent pivot]

you mean strike is on your backstab bind when in stealth? that's fine

[molten hedge]

That’s right. But I may accidentally switch marks on someone. I guess that’s a L2P mistake lol @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

ye you just have to be wary of it

[molten hedge]

But ur right especially in lower mmr shuffle I may need that extra OOMPH to kill in duel bc my team scuffs my goes

That DS has

[potent pivot]

everything about weapon speed is normalized other than poisons

[jaunty osprey]

we probably have the best class TCs in-game

[potent pivot]

this is something that has been known and proven for a long ass time

[jaunty osprey]

everything you need to know is in the spec channels

[spring bough]

I didn’t say anything about the speeds. A slower wep in the OH has a higher chance to proc thousand cuts. IE a higher chance to proc an unseen blade.

[potent pivot]

back when weapon speed mattered, that math would probably be true

but that's just not how the game works now

[severe helm]

thats not how ppm works

ppm doesnt just calculate a percentage then apply it to the weapon

[candid tide]

dude i never preses death touch on WW xD

[potent pivot]

[candid tide]

smh how many rds couldve been won if just pressed the button

[molten hedge]

It’s great but does bug out a lot

In my xp playing WW

[candid tide]

think it hit 3m flat on dummies

[severe helm]

it kills through disperse

lol

I hate tod

[molten hedge]

Yeah it’s overkill lol it could be 1 mil at 10-15% whatever it is and kill

[jaunty osprey]

good thing it doesnt kill through cheat

:^)

[candid tide]

just crit 8mil with it smh lucky its on 3min cd

[languid ravine]

just use elusiveness and never drop low enough genius

[jaunty osprey]

half the abilities in game are

AOE anyways

dont even need elusiveness

:^)

[severe helm]

well cheats only a 70% dr

so if it isnt the thing that procs the cheat then it will def kill you lol

cuz disperse is a 75% dr

and youll die through it

oh wait cheats 85%

still might kill hahaha

I still hate that cheat dr doesnt apply to projectiles already in the air

the amount of times I die from a chaos bolt the lock sent 3 seconds ago is so tilting

[jolly sierra]

i really hate cheat death in its design itself

[severe helm]

I only run it against sub rogues

everywhere else id rather have 20% dr ogcd with feint

[jolly sierra]

if for example u get 2 simultanous hits at same time you get at least one of those hits actually killing you

like frost mage icicles

[severe helm]

yeah cheat is insanely buggy sadly

[jolly sierra]

and was never researched it seems

[jaunty osprey]

ya cheat is fucked when there are lots of lines that hit you at the same time

[jolly sierra]

imo it should have an inmunity instead an absorb for that second u are being killed

then the dmg reduction

so u dont get killed and it works as intended

[languid ravine]

nah you cant just have immunity at 1 hp and it works every time thats impossible and there are no current ingame examples of that working in your inventory that procs automatically and prevents dying at 1hp for a few seconds 100% of the time without being bugged ever despite activating passively from your inventory in open world pvp but just hypothetically if that could work it would be an easy solution even if it lasts only for 0,5 seconds

[severe helm]

caut always works

100% of the time

GS always works

blood dk perg always works

cheat is just an old ability coded like a decade ago

[gleaming pawn]

No reason other than to keep rogues small, to not rework cheat to work like all of the other cheat deaths in the game that instead of killing you, you get X% hp back

[severe helm]

rogue has an ever growing list of bugs

and cheat just isnt that high prio

since it works 100% of the time in pve

or almost 100%

[surreal barn]

Cheat has never been a problem for me

[gleaming pawn]

It has the same problems in PvE, it’s just not as often that the Rogue is taking white hits and other bullshit that eats your cheat

[languid ravine]

imagine the outrage if patch notes "fixed 10 gamebreaking bugs for the rogue specs" and then there is a huge list

reee how dare you buff rogue after they win all the time always in all game modes

[gleaming pawn]

I wish I had saved it, there was a post a few weeks back on Reddit complaining about specs as they do. Someone of course brought up how broken and OP rogues are and are always wining AWC, until someone came in with the actual facts that a Rogue team has only ever actually won AWC a few times

The clown fiesta in that thread ranged from shocked to outraged, and how those stats that are easily searched for could not possibly be accurate

[spring bough]

Last night. Killed lock in a solo. Last round. He had me DOTd I was like 8%. After he died I heard “cheat” and then the board came up with “draw” and we tied the last round. Cheat sucks lol

I’m going back to elusiveness lol

[jolly sierra]

i was a lot of time bypassed in

for example i never use it against frost mages due to the example ive shown by scrolling up

[potent pivot]

@jaunty osprey

so many idiots gank my level 70s

annoying af

[earnest forge]

same

and im considering to do an alliance evoker at this rate, horde is unplayable in warmode lmao

[potent pivot]

idk i just find it wild

[earnest forge]

lenghts some people go for 12 honor

[potent pivot]

i main rogue and even i don't go out of my way to gank people that are only farming mobs

like

[earnest forge]

I only really go my way out to gank druid boits

bots*

[jaunty osprey]

let me know

if u need help with the WQ

on any level 70 alts

even if u're cross faction, i can help w it

[potent pivot]

i'm all good, i got the WQ done on everything

doing Sparks on my last toon atm just grabbin dirt

[jaunty osprey]

im at level 75 and im so tired of leveling

myself

[earnest forge]

after you stack up the xp buff its an afternoon of wqs and some dungeons

could be worse

[potent pivot]

yeah i need to hurry up and level all mine

i've got at least 4 that i still have to level

leveling is pretty easy

just have to actually sit down and do it

[earnest forge]

btw my guild just fell in the classic trap once again, fuck me c.c

these guys will replay the same thing for the 3rd? time since 2019

[potent pivot]

yeah there's no shot

i quit back in og Cata so i might try MoP classic

[hidden moth]

im only going to fresh bc pvp server and the phases

that and my girl missed most of it so it will be a fun little experience

[potent pivot]

i think i've got at least 3k BT on all my alts now, i just have to use one of my boosts on a monk at some point

[languid ravine]

wish I did that too, most of my alts I waste so much time overpreparing and then get 1800 in 5 matches anyways

[potent pivot]

Yeah on most of them I’ll probably stop at 1800

Just want to have everything geared in case tuning changes what I want to play in 3s

[hidden moth]

i hit 1800 on the hunter without a single piece of 4 set and the honor weapon

xD

shtis so easy to get 1800 now

ig time to go win 25 games of blitz

didnt realize there is a title past gm

why am i seeing assa go with symbolic victory over lingering dark

[languid ravine]

DEJA VU

[severe helm]

just a casual 25+ hours to do so haha

blitz is so god damn slow its my biggest complaint

[jaunty osprey]

it's a thing that i mainly started and then other rogues realized

you dont get any use out of lingering

most rogues only play sbs and not kingsbane

so their only nature dmg is envenom

so you get 30% increased nature dmg for 30s if you play lingering

on a 2 min cooldown

instead of getting 18% envenom damage every shiv

makes more sense to just play symbolic

you get more value

[severe helm]

for only one envenom

[jaunty osprey]

yes

but in that 30s window

how often are you pressing envenom

TWICE maybe

[severe helm]

?

[jaunty osprey]

if you play lingering

instead of symbolic

so having 18% envenom dmg every shiv for one envenom is so much more value

[hidden moth]

bro

im a dumbass

[jaunty osprey]

LOL

[hidden moth]

i legit thought

[jaunty osprey]

the insta delete

on that r word

[hidden moth]

it was off of ur death stalker martk

[potent pivot]

filter

the bot auto deleted no-no words

[jaunty osprey]

oo

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

oop

[jaunty osprey]

BAN HIM

[potent pivot]

nah

hitting the filter is generally fine if you aren't attacking someone

[jaunty osprey]

END HIM

[potent pivot]

people calling themselves dumb is like 90% of filter hits

[jaunty osprey]

GET HIM OUT OF HERE

forever

[potent pivot]

he has a pemanent ding on his record

for the hit

but it's w/e

[jaunty osprey]

ugh level 76

4 more levels

[potent pivot]

i think i hit filter back in the day

[jaunty osprey]

i took a break to do world quests for bloody tokens

[hidden moth]

tahts my bad lol

but yeah was just saying im the dumbass

[potent pivot]

ye np

[jaunty osprey]

nah im just kidding schtabby

dwdw

[hidden moth]

cap

lies

and slander

i dont like how there is 2 marks lol

deathmark and death (stalkers) mark

gives room for confusion

[severe helm]

sure does

[potent pivot]

https://youtu.be/7fHoknId74o?si=PNQMssSUSChSEYey

Bro this is INSANE

They’ve made over 1b off mounts

The new Bruto isn’t on the list for some reason

[hidden moth]

prob bc its only been out a month and they are wanting more data

[steel scarab]

Bros I went 6-0 in Solo Shuffle last night but the queue is balls. What rating do I shoot for before I stop

[potent pivot]

the sky

[hidden moth]

2400

[potent pivot]

2400

[hidden moth]

get ur legend title

so 100 round wins at or above2400

[steel scarab]

That is so much queueing, holy shit

[hidden moth]

or is it 50?

tbh if u que shuffle and blitz its not bad

[steel scarab]

Oh rounds, not matches

[hidden moth]

sucks that first que pop, but when u get into say shuffle and get out ur blitz should pop, before accepting reque shuffle and by the time blitz ends u should be getting a shuffle pop est 4-5 min

instead of starring at the monitor for 20-30

[steel scarab]

In theory, yeah, but yesterday I tried this. I queued Solo Shuffle, rated Blitz, and Korrak's Revenge, waited 20 mins, got a Solo pop, did that (10 mins or so), came out, 5 minutes got a Korrak pop, did that for like.... 30 minutes, then came out and waited another 20 minutes for a Blitz before giving up and going to bed

Never got a Blitz pop despite being in queue for hours. I'm not sure the time you spend in a battleground while in queue actually counts?

[gleaming pawn]

It does not. If you hover over your queue icon it tells you the other modes are paused while you’re in a game

[gleaming pawn]

Just wait till some really cool shit for our new player housing is all RMT on the store

Player housing will be a micro transaction gold mine for them

[steel scarab]

Ah. So the TLDR here is, I completely wasted my time in Korrak's Revenge, because I only queued for that so I had something to do while I waited for bg Blitz

[gleaming pawn]

Yep

Go do world quests or herb/mine while waiting for your queue

Or the go-to of sitting afk in the city and do someone on another monitor or crank your sound and get up from the computer

[potent pivot]

the queue pauses when you're in a game

oh seiji said that

xd

[steel scarab]

But it still says I've been in queue for X hours

Which is

Misleading

I've never hovered over it while in an actual BG to see that it was paused

But it definitely counts the duration you were in a BG as queue time when you're done as "time in queue"

So I just assumed

Wrongly

[potent pivot]

i'm hoping they make it all profession based. if they don't they're missing a lot of good content for gold makers and new gold sinks

[gleaming pawn]

Yeah I’m assuming most of it will be. But there will be rare trophies and the like that come from achievements, trading post, or the store for sure

[potent pivot]

i wonder if they'll let us have AH/bank/guild bank etc

[gleaming pawn]

Ion said they are very conscious of impacting the mmo part of the game and don’t want players just sitting in their housing all day instead of the main city like with what happened in Garrisons

[languid ravine]

(conspiracy hat on) they also scrapped a whole main city when they didnt finish WoD Shattrath

[spring bough]

alt rogue is almost past my main in solo lol

absolutely trucked everybody lol

[hidden moth]

huh

so ik que paused but i thought it put u at like top of the que

[potent pivot]

i'm not so sure that it does

or if it just restarts your queue

[candid tide]

enough pvp fml

[spring bough]

2 v 2 outlaw in deephaul on blitz right now lol

[proven field]

None can challenge the brotherhood

[spring bough]

Already 1500 on 8-3 lol

[jaunty osprey]

yo

i just realized

ambushing totems on opener

free darkest night buff

[jolly sierra]

ye

can confirm

[neat torrent]

Any idea why this talent isn't giving me 2 coins sometimes? Does it have an internal CD?

[potent pivot]

I think sometimes it can roll a coin that lands standing up which counts as both sides or something odd? I can’t fully remember

Try asking in #outlaw

[hidden moth]

interesting that im not seeing top rogues taking kb in blitz

[turbid quail]

Check the 3rd hero talent in the middle that might be the case but maybe im mistaken

[potent pivot]

You can do well playing a couple different builds as assa

[hidden moth]

how accurate is murlok lol

[potent pivot]

Murlok just shows what people logged out using

It’s literally just Armory data scraping

That’s why it’s pretty reliable for gear, but not 100% accurate for builds for different brackets

Someone could be top 50 in Shuffle but maybe they logged out in Blitz talents or vice versa

[hidden moth]

trtrue

i see why people go supercharger instead of 7 cp

since the symbolic victory is nt troll

[potent pivot]

Supercharger imo has provided a much needed change to assa’s damage profile

[hidden moth]

for running lingering darkness with kb wouldnt u wnt to kb after u dm?

after dm ends i mean

[severe helm]

this is wiiiiiiiiiiiiiild

[severe helm]

legend takes SOOO long

both seasons that I got r1 shuffle title I didnt even get legend title HAHAHA

that shit is just a grind

I feel like I should get it automatically if I get r1 cutoff like cmon blizz

[potent pivot]

You can but it’s just situational. You wouldn’t want to do that always.

[hidden moth]

yah i thought so

seems kinda troll imo

buff nature dam for 30 seconds but its just envenoms after dm

[potent pivot]

Pairing it with darkest night as well can do decent damage

Symbolic is just more reliable especially with supercharger

[hidden moth]

which is also interesting bc im seeing more running 7 cp over super

[severe helm]

I think it puts you back where you were in line

[potent pivot]

Ye it hasn’t really caught on

Doesn’t matter

[hidden moth]

valid

[potent pivot]

like just as an example

ivanrah has been consistently staying #1 assa on shuffle ladder

with supercharger build

but that'd be the same if he played deeper strat

it's just a preference and slight change of playstyle

but it slaps

[hidden moth]

since 11.0.5 ive just used the build from here

well outside of updating to symbol vic

same time outside of open world pvp havnt done much on rogue

[potent pivot]

the pinned build should have symbolic

unless i imported it incorrectly but i think it's all correct

[hidden moth]

no it does

i just got the build before it was symbolic

iirc the builds had a few updates

[potent pivot]

yeah

i've had to change things around a lot since launch

[hidden moth]

stratigist is seasonal yeah?

ik grand marshal gets memed on but is stratigist worth any salt

[surreal barn]

I think that mount data is a bit skewed

I’m guessing he used the mount log site

[potent pivot]

it's not 100% accurate of course

but

they used filters for a lot of the mounts that were available from bundles

and

for mounts from 6month-1yr subs

[surreal barn]

It is most likely pulling it by character not account

Which would be a huge multiple

Still a lot - but yeah

[potent pivot]

there's details under the vid

i feel like they would've known to do something about account vs character data

[surreal barn]

they used data for azeroth right?

[potent pivot]

idk if they said what they used

[severe helm]

yeah

[potent pivot]

all he says is that it's from a couple diff sources

[severe helm]

I think its in the same boat as gladiator or legend

[surreal barn]

I mean, I know that brut made them bank

I’m glad too. Didn’t even have to buy one and have access just by walking by one

[potent pivot]

i'm going to buy one with gold

but i'm waiting for the Christmas mount sale

[jaunty osprey]

the new rogue is 80

right before reset

pog

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

do u heal at all

[potent pivot]

i was planning on giving it a shot this season but naw

haven't tried yet

[hidden moth]

first blitz in over a month

and im 2700mmr wtf

i heal on disc priest, currently 2030 shuffle but havnt pushed it hard

[spring bough]

mmr is whacked in blitz. im 1574 and in 2400 mmr lobby

[hidden moth]

thats normal

mmr is based on where the game thinks u are not where u are currently

and then end of game u either get rating or loss depending

example im 2403 cr and bc lobby mmr is almost 300 higher than my cr i lost mmr but my cr didnt change

@jaunty osprey what u think would be easier to run for that 3v3 glad mount disc priest or assa

[jaunty osprey]

uhh

idk how good you are at each

[potent pivot]

guys

[severe helm]

you lost mmr cuz your personal mmr was 2720 and the lobby mmr was 2694

mmr gains/losses have literally nothing to do with cr

cr gains/losses do have to do with mmr but its not transitive

you probably wont lose cr until your cr is within 150-200 of your mmr and even then youll lose maybe 3 or 4 points

[potent pivot]

my hunter is DCed in the coolest way

[severe helm]

lol what happened

[potent pivot]

I’m just flying around the game with no mount

I tried sending a ss but my internet is borked I guess

[hidden moth]

thats the point i was saying, that my mmr was too high for my cr to be affected. so the loss only affected mmr but not my cr

thats sick

ik i had a bug with the new dragon flying squad thing and while i was flying about in dragon form my 2 buddies were humans swimming in the air

[severe helm]

ah ye gotcha

thought you were saying thats why you lost mmr

cuz your cr was so much lower

[severe helm]

LOL with the swimming animation?

love when that happens honestly

you can recreate it whenever you dc on a flying mount if you have a cancelaura macro for your mount

it somehow locally updates the model file despite being dced

but you still have the server info for flying capabilities/movement speed

so you just swim around super fast rofl

[potent pivot]

when i sit still yeah

whenever i move it was like i was running through the air at mach10

[severe helm]

hahahaha

amazing

they should sell a mount called "rocket boots" that has that animation

[potent pivot]

i think it could be sick if we had wing mounts

we could have different cosmetic wings and fly like Dracthyr

[severe helm]

yeah that could be cool

could be tough to make it feel canon

[potent pivot]

imo they worry too much about things meshing with the lore

[severe helm]

eeeh I like it tbh

[potent pivot]

but i guess for the wider audience it matters a lot

[severe helm]

I hate games like OW or League where skins and stuff are so immersion destroying

like dont let wow become fornite

no crossovers

[potent pivot]

naw i can agree with that kinda shit

[severe helm]

its a fine line I just think its a slippery slope

[potent pivot]

but i feel like it wouldn't be that difficult to make some Wings of Light or Darkness canon

[severe helm]

one skin thats outside canon that sells like crazy and upper management is gona pump em out

[severe helm]

yeah I mean we had cosmetic wings in SL

[potent pivot]

we also had them added to the store

[severe helm]

and we got dragon wings for DF pre order p sure

[stoic spruce]

I've only seen people use them twice

Never seen them use butterfly wings

[proven field]

Only because they are way too small

You could make goblin or gnome engineering wings and it would be fine

We already have motorcycles and tanks and planes

[severe helm]

imagine a goblin glider looking thing

but on your back

[languid ravine]

imagine a goblin

but on your back

[grave basin]

Is it still aids to get the non red venthyr blades back piece

I want the silver one

[gleaming pawn]

they're all pretty easy, though the one form the rares is rng

[potent pivot]

the silver one iirc is the hardest one to get

but i'm not 100% sure

i think that's the one from the travel network

[gleaming pawn]

it is

[potent pivot]

you have to use anima to level up your travel network then do a bunch of shit

[gleaming pawn]

pray to the loot gods, you might get lucky or you might spend an entire expac not getting it like me

[potent pivot]

i got the red ones from the anima conductor rare pretty easy

i have a lot of stuff i need to go back and farm from SL at some point but it's kinda low on my to-do list lmao

[gleaming pawn]

yeah got that one on accident, just flew up and killed a rare

[potent pivot]

leveling is mind numbing

once i'm done with this hunter i'm prolly finishing my pally

[gleaming pawn]

god I hate leveling

the first time through an expac is fun, but leveling alts is like pulling teeth for me and I tend to avoid it as much as I can

[potent pivot]

same, but it's gotta be done

these classic timewalking dungeons kinda suck

[gleaming pawn]

yeah, and the ratio of shitters to people that can push their buttons is way too low

[grave basin]

You just gotta pace yourself

And don't give in to the fomo of exp buffs

I leveled up 5 toons at the start of the expac

[stoic spruce]

I have a love/hate relationship with leveling

[grave basin]

Then with the anniversary buffs I leveled up every class except evoker and priest

[stoic spruce]

A lot of times, I want to do the quests and take in the story in the older expansions.

[grave basin]

Then I asked myself , I'll only ever play my Rog and hunter seriously anyway

[stoic spruce]

But then I hit 70 and I get kicked out of timewalking

[grave basin]

Why tf am I even leveling a Ret pala

[potent pivot]

i must

i want basically every class leveled

every melee to 80 bare minimum

[stoic spruce]

I leveled a pally to 80 just in case undead can be pallys this expac BUT

It's so fun

It's the polar opposite of outlaw

[potent pivot]

Throwing hammers around is definitely more fun then I thought I’d be

[stoic spruce]

I'm a simp for templar

[gleaming pawn]

yeah I leveled my Ret last expansion and it's been a lot of fun since. It just feels good to play

[potent pivot]

I wish level boosts weren’t so expensive rn

[gleaming pawn]

which is not always the case with Rogue

[potent pivot]

It’s like 350k gold just for 70-80

1-70s were like 70k gold during mop remix so I got a bunch of em done

I guess no one’s found a good open world mob farm like we had in DF

[jaunty osprey]

how long does the 70-80 take

for boosters?

[waxen meteor]

damn ne is so cool

enjoying the additional reset for sin rogue alt

can play way more aggressive

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah i love that too

[potent pivot]

3-4 hours afaik

[waxen meteor]

i do quests for leveling i don't like dungeons

[potent pivot]

They just boost TW dungeons lol

[waxen meteor]

although it's a bit more efficient now

[potent pivot]

Level 11 twinks just solo the dungeons

[waxen meteor]

yeah i leveled my alt rogue with one map + 5 tw, before i finish the map of the week

i am already max level

and btw, level your ally char pfff

you get free crate 247

[potent pivot]

I’ve been thinking about starting a level boosting service myself but I just don’t think I’ll ever have the time to do it

[waxen meteor]

i think i collected like 10 crate during level up or even more than that

the only i need to do is to show up in crate position

then you have 12930312803810 allys there

[potent pivot]

Yeah Alliance is basically mandatory now

[waxen meteor]

my main leveling was miserable

i think i got like 1-2 crate at most

[potent pivot]

I’m gonna swap my last horde classes over to alliance soon

[waxen meteor]

no, stay red

[potent pivot]

Orc shaman and hunter

Gonna be dark iron shaman and nelf hunter

[waxen meteor]

i think pet class still quite orc meta

[potent pivot]

Only BM

I mainly play surv

[waxen meteor]

i think also demo lock/unholy ish?

demo lock almost for sure too

unholy i am not certain

[hidden moth]

all that for 2 conquest

[steel scarab]

2 conquest lol

That's like doing a mythic run and getting 38 copper out of the treasure chest at the end

[long shore]

Is it possible to win silver shard mines under 6mins with how slow the carts move ?

[stoic spruce]

If you triple cap I'm pretty sure

[stoic spruce]

Bo6 wouldn't treat you that bad

[vocal surge]

have you played CoD Ghost?

[stoic spruce]

Played em all

[wet crown]

For just screwing around, are system shock/creeping useful at all or total dogwater?

[potent pivot]

they can be fun ig they just aren't any good compared to the alternatives

[hidden moth]

yeah it would, skill based damage im good

[hidden moth]

cap and hold all 3 and yes

[stoic spruce]

Aim for the chest

Skill based dmg makes no sense

[hidden moth]

ive seen too many vids of 100% accuracy and 0 hit markers

also the zombies looks like shit

cod is only good for 2 things zombies and advanced warfare multiplayer

[stoic spruce]

My K/D and W/L are very high and I promise you that you can't tell and it's blown out of proportion

As for zombies, it's genuinely good but if you're stuck on the Bo3 era, you won't like it.

[serene pilot]

what hero class does assa use in pvp

[stoic spruce]

Death

[serene pilot]

ok ty

[vocal surge]

BO1 and BO2 zombies peak (Bring back Extinction)

[stoic spruce]

Real

I'm a bo1 main

I never made it past round 32 on Shangri-la on Bo1 but it's still my favorite of all time

It's so hard to me

[potent pivot]

game is so fried today

[vocal surge]

I got to Round 40 on Five

[wet crown]

You open on someone and they don't even realize they died until 2m later

[inner tartan]

outlaw likes clothy they die

[gusty hedge]

love to see outlaw pumpin

[safe pelican]

Good Morning my Pirate Brothers 🌄🦦

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-des-caraïbes2-pirates-of-the-caribbean2-pirates-menace-threat-gif-19754159

[frail knot]

Is it decent to play outlaw and do 2s with a mage?

[proud spire]

conquest cap lift today?

[candid tide]

is it?

[vale prawn]

Apologies for a question that's probably asked often but. I'm coming back after not playing rogue for a long time.

How is it rn in pvp and is it still "I do 40 things to do what you do in 4"? Lol

Also to not be "that guy" is sub good rn for arena/bg's?

Omg I just saw the sap/blind bg cap nerf 😭

[lime oar]

Yeah there’s been a lot of changes to cc duration

All 3 specs are viable right now. So play whatever you like. Sub is good but it definitely is the most punishing.

[molten hedge]

As subtlety, should I be rupturing the healer? I feel like I shouldn’t bc it breaks gouges and other cc

[jolly sierra]

kidney him

[molten hedge]

Asking more during the course of the match is it better to leave the healer not ruptured

[potent pivot]

can also depend on your build

if you're playing replicating shadows or dark brew then maybe

if not i wouldn't worry about it as much

[clear osprey]

Hi all - for someone trying to get into PvP - mainly looking at battleground blitz, what spec would you recommend starting with out of sub and assassination? Many thanks!

[potent pivot]

whichever one you want to play, they're both really good

[candid tide]

looking at blitz vs shuffle specs

the blitz players tends to spec into utility talents often

[potent pivot]

bloody tokens are uncapped now

bout to check conq

[candid tide]

very nice

[potent pivot]

conq is uncapped

[candid tide]

well not in eu yet it seems

will come eventually

[potent pivot]

tomorrow

or whenever you guy's reset is

it's also comp stomp again this week apparently

bonus

[clear osprey]

Is there a quick way to get bloody tokens or is it just the case of doing plenty of wPvP quests?

[potent pivot]

do any WQ in war mode

[candid tide]

if ur lucky theres a pvp quest in the sparks quest zone u can get a spike of it

[potent pivot]

do Sparks of War weekly quest

and look out for wpvp WQs that award 500 tokens

also war crate drops that spawn in zones

[clear osprey]

Is the bloody token gear the most accessible PvP gear to begin with (out side of the honor gear). I have 5-6 pieces of the honor gear atm, mainly trinkets neck rings.

[clear osprey]

Sorry for noob quest - what is war chest?

Also ty all for the help!

[potent pivot]

yep

[grave basin]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[potent pivot]

it's a flying plane that spawns in zones randomly

and drops a crate

first faction to open the crate wins it

very hard to get any crates if not alliance these days

[clear osprey]

Good job I am alliance then! Are you also?

[potent pivot]

i have like 10 characters

most are alliance though

[clear osprey]

For NE racial or just better PvP queues?

[potent pivot]

nelf/human etc

don't really care about queues

[clear osprey]

Cool! Anyways nice to talk to you and thanks for your help!

[candid tide]

oh yeah

[clear osprey]

Much appreciate

[candid tide]

and u can also join wpvp sparks groups

look for it in custom lfg for pvp

[grave basin]

am i stupid or is murlok io showing the top outlaws running haste in every slot

except off hand dagger

[safe pelican]

Haste is life 🦦 even off hand

Outlaw actually translates to Haste in Czechoslovakian

[molten hedge]

I think it’s every 20 minutes

At least in Dorn

Me and a friend are trying to play sub/boomie. Think it could be good? @potent pivot I imagine I just peel for him every dance off stun DR and we chain clones/stuns/healer cc for dmg and cc. Sound about right?

[potent pivot]

it spawns in one of the zones randomly every X minutes

[jaunty osprey]

Are conq boxes out

[potent pivot]

like, in 2s?

[jaunty osprey]

I’m at werk

[molten hedge]

3/

[potent pivot]

outlaw boomie is better

[jaunty osprey]

Sin Boomie is insane for ladder play

[molten hedge]

I’ve never played outlaw. I was assa but trying sub and it’s fun

[potent pivot]

people are being dumb and copying 1 of whaazz's rogues specifically for KiR

when iirc he didn't even play it in awc only on ladder

[potent pivot]

i can check in a bit, logging all my toons and doing my reset shit

[jaunty osprey]

Ya reddit just said

375 conq each box

Requires 1400 rating to buy

[jaunty osprey]

His tech being that you can reroll with KIR is so dumb too

Acting like it’s insane tech

lmao

Like people in PVE havent been doing that for an entire xpac

[potent pivot]

yup

[potent pivot]

ye i legit called it in his chat a week ago too

[molten hedge]

Why is it better? And we’re like 2.2-2.4K shuffle so idk if it’ll matter much

[jaunty osprey]

Outlaw makes people take more dmg in stuns

has triple stuns every DR cycle

outlaw has more utility

outlaw cant die

cant be kited

[molten hedge]

Is the difference with sub is that it has better burst and duel

[jaunty osprey]

Sub has good burst every 1.5 mins

[potent pivot]

got my hunter to 80 last night, Surv on the rise

[jaunty osprey]

outlaw can send a killing spree every stun cycle

that will hit for a couple million

[molten hedge]

I play thief’s a lot so every 72 secs blades

[half kernel]

What's in the conq box?

[potent pivot]

theif's is absolutely not a taken talent anymore

[potent pivot]

random pieces

[jaunty osprey]

OOOO, sv is fun

Big burdt

burst*

[half kernel]

So really only viable for fresh toon

[molten hedge]

Just in shuffle it’s not bad since rounds are short. Has won me lots of games but I’m only 1800-1900 rn. Learning sub haha

[jaunty osprey]

Ya

playing new chars is what makes the season fun

[jaunty osprey]

u’re also losing a lot of damage

by taking it

and if you wait out the dmg reduction, then you’re losing dmg too

Bomb, duel, and cloak/disarm are so much better

[molten hedge]

Yeah valid points man. Not arguing! I did hit a 3.5 mil evis yesterday though 👀

[jaunty osprey]

Or even tricks

[molten hedge]

Was insane

[jaunty osprey]

tricks is insane if you’re gonna play sub boomy

tricks ur boomy every go

[molten hedge]

I bettt

[jaunty osprey]

Thick as thieves or whatever it’s called

[potent pivot]

bomb and kill shot already hitting 600k

590 pvp ilvl

[jaunty osprey]

Just wait

Till u hit 3m flanks

[jaunty osprey]

when u’re geared

[potent pivot]

the damage reduction and it unsyncs blades/flag
it's kinda troll to take now

[jaunty osprey]

You will love flanks

[potent pivot]

ye i love surv

i played it in SL that season it was broken in pve

it's weird that kill command is your only generator now but w/e

still fun flinging bombs

[molten hedge]

Yeah but again my shuffle rounds never last to the 1.5 min mark but I totally get ur point haha

Is outlaw fun? I’ve only heard it’s extremely high APM but never touched it

[wet crown]

potentially dumb question, but would a 639 haste/vers dagger be totally fine to bring into pvp? Or am I trolling

[potent pivot]

for what

[wet crown]

any of the three specs ig?

[potent pivot]

why would you have a haste dagger

you'd be better off for pretty much every spec taking the crit dagger with the wep token, until you can use conq to craft

[jaunty osprey]

the stats of one weapon will never make or break anything though! So if that’s all you have atm

dw

but eventually you want to use crit vers for outlaw

or vers mast crafted for sin/sub

[potent pivot]

ye i mean if you already have it, you already have it

just wouldn't go out of my way to buy one if you haven't

[wet crown]

because I just got it from a pve vault and haven't done any pvp of note yet.

.>

[jaunty osprey]

Oh yeah

[potent pivot]

then use it sure

[jaunty osprey]

use it

Using your myth track pve gear is fine if it has vers on jt

it*

[molten hedge]

If I enjoy sub, will I enjoy outlaw? @potent pivot @jaunty osprey I know that’s a loaded question but what’s ur thoughts

[potent pivot]

pretty subjective

i like all 3 specs

[jaunty osprey]

Once you grapple around the map

[potent pivot]

some people dispise different specs

[jaunty osprey]

You will never go back to step

[molten hedge]

Is outlaw hard to learn

[potent pivot]

uh

kinda

[molten hedge]

More so than sub?

[potent pivot]

nah

just has a high skill ceiling

[molten hedge]

I just remembered my boomie doesn’t play a ton of rogue but the one spec he’s good at is outlaw lol. Maybe now that conq is capped we’ll farm the low mmr as boomie/sub and I’ll build outlaw set and give it a go

[jaunty osprey]

Outlaw makes every global feel valuable though

like HO ambush hits a decent amount

[molten hedge]

You mentioned outlaw is better with Boomie. Is that just with Boomie or is outlaw better than sub in most rogue comps?

[jaunty osprey]

backstab and mutilate are wet noodles

Outlaw better than sub in most rogue comps

The thing about sub is that it’s a pug killer (shuffle) because people dont know how to play around it

[gleaming pawn]

For 2s Sub is probably better. Outlaw won’t last long without a healer

[jaunty osprey]

In coordinated 3s, people know how

[hidden moth]

LETS GOOO

BOXES

[potent pivot]

1m MS 1.2m executes

590 pvp ilvl

[hidden moth]

YEAH

arms isnt broken

[potent pivot]

ye

i ran into one the other day that one shot me

with like a 2m MS

and other shit

[hidden moth]

2m ms non crit lol

[molten hedge]

I haven’t been around wow a long time but the videos I watch, whazz, pika, kalv always play sub. Is that just bc it’s their main or what? Obviously they’re not playing it much rn but just curious

[potent pivot]

whaazz has been playing nothing but outlaw

[molten hedge]

Yeah I said not recently

Like in the past

[potent pivot]

yeh

[molten hedge]

Before shadowdust nerf

[potent pivot]

when pika plays rogue rn he's mostly been playing law that i've seen

[molten hedge]

Ok so we’re pretty much just saying outlaw in its current form is better than sub. Not previous seasons for the most part. Gotcha.

[potent pivot]

if you're better at assa or sub you should probably just play them

[waxen meteor]

is there any tuning this update?

[potent pivot]

nothing yet no

[waxen meteor]

kk

[potent pivot]

800k bomb

can't wait to be geared on this guy

[hidden moth]

classic servers are all down but looks like we will get to name reserve today
I just love the anniversary server names

[graceful ravine]

only one server for pvp?

classic

[hidden moth]

only 3 servers

1 normal 1 pvp 1 hardcore

dunno why 2 say normal but servers arnt up yet and wont be live till thursday

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/conquest-cap-removed-in-the-war-within-season-1-351174

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

yeye we've been over it 😉 big pogs

[wintry dew]

I'm always late

xD

[potent pivot]

:d

i'm going for every melee elite set

as just a random goal this season

[lime oar]

I love beating ferals in shuffle

[candid tide]

i have almost al classes geared up in cq

[potent pivot]

yeah ain't no one got time for all that

hell naw

[thorny gate]

aint noone got gold for all that, drowning in vicious bloodstones and enchanting mats

[idle root]

anyone else got rating anxiety?

[thorny gate]

i did for a bit then i tanked my rating by like 150 so we all good

[candid tide]

me

im always sweaty in shuffle

cause u never know what cards ur gonna be dealt with each time

[idle root]

any time im close to my current goal, i get this absurd anxiety

fuck man

[thorny gate]

the brutal part is when your on the team of the guy whos guna go 0/6 first two rounds, so then u feel like you have to play your ass off, even tho the lobby was guna be a 3/3 either way

[lime oar]

Yeah I’m 1850. Trying to get 1950 just want the illusion lol

Hella anxious

[jolly sierra]

this season was so fucked up

seems time to get the monk xmog

[vestal ibex]

yo brothers how to deal with mages in shuffle

[thorny gate]

i got to 2080 on my mw monk and dropped to 1998 or somthing

the rating gains are broken imo

i go 5-1 on my mw monk gain like 35 rating, i go 1-5 on it and i lose 70

from a healer pov vs mages, dont force your healer to run out after you chasing, cus you are pretty much forcing your healer to eat a poly, unless u step kick it

[gray dune]

im tired guys. I just wanna hit 1950 lol

[idle root]

also this season's inflation is absolutely garbage so far

buncha glads in fucking 1700 mmr

wtf is that

[thorny gate]

they need to somehow make it so healers have like 100 mmr more than any other dps , get the q times lower so ppl can get games in and inflate it

currently healers are like 200 mmr below dps or somthing last i checked

[potent pivot]

depends on the match

and how many are queueing

[idle root]

i saw this idea somewhere, give healers a consumable token that you can send to dps alts that gets you priority queues

i like that

[thorny gate]

not a bad idea but ideally they fix the source of the problem, would be a good temporary thing

[gray dune]

pretty sure my mmr is lower than my pve main lol

i main pres for pvp. Assassin for pve

[thorny gate]

honestly think they need to rework rewards into a battlepass type thing, and give healers high % progress towards it

[candid tide]

psure theres 99% dps playing and 1% healers : D

after im done play all dps ima go heal for u guys

[potent pivot]

i think reworking the rating system would help

[thorny gate]

healing by default feels like you have a little less control over the game, you cant just not follow your dps in to a bad situation and let them die

[gray dune]

a lot of dps in solo que want me to do just that lol

[thorny gate]

the best is when u pop a cd on someone the same time they pop their personal cd and they flame u, as if u can mind read their inputs

[gray dune]

like i gotta be close but you cant go that far from me cuz Pres has short range

[candid tide]

i noticed that and with healers it seems like positioning at the right pillars is kinda key or some

really gotta make full use of pillars

in and out healing

[thorny gate]

problem is somtimes your dps will run in and kite the opposite way around a pillar, ignoring the mage standing between u and them

[gray dune]

people want the pillar stuff but also want me to use my sleep on CD, and like i cant if im tryin to also not get CCed

[thorny gate]

i think im guan try start getting into the habit of pinging myself so ppl can see where i am easier

[gray dune]

ive come to prefer rated bgs over arena, but even then its still been a grind lol

[potent pivot]

There’s raid markers

And even addons that mark your team mates with very big icons

[thorny gate]

ngl i somtimes lose where the raid markers are , i use the WA that puts arrows above people heads

[potent pivot]

If people suck they suck

[thorny gate]

i dunno if i wana push solo shuffle or blitz on my rogue

blitz seems a bit easier with the inflation atm

[potent pivot]

Takes longer though

[thorny gate]

yeh thats the only downside low cr gains

the top rogue in blitz is 640 rating above the top solo shuffle rogue

[potent pivot]

Ye but there’s also been a lot of complaints from people getting “stuck” in low rating hell

[gray dune]

im stuck around 1400s in blitz atm

[thorny gate]

its hard to say ive only ever got upto 1800ish in blitz, got 2k on hpal and mw monk in shuffle

but i played blitz in like the first 3 weeks only

on mage/war

there is a weird deadzone between like 1500-1800

u go from like 140 rating a game to 20

then ifu break 1800 ur mmr shoots up past 2k

[candid tide]

i quit at 1800 then went multi class

think after im done ima hit some rating hopes

[severe helm]

yeah theres a big problem with their mmr system

they started out in early DF where mmr for all players was calculated the same

but as a healer you have less influence on the game so it made it very hard to climb

so they instead separated dps mmr and healer mmr

so you gain/lose mmr almost exclusively based on the other players in your role within that lobby

but the problem there is they need to somehow balance the mmr between roles to actually inflate at the same rating

or you end up with top of ladder healer mmr being 100s lower than dps mmr

[jolly sierra]

sometimes is even lower

[severe helm]

yep

like 400+ often

[jolly sierra]

2k1 dps with 1k8-1k6 healers

[severe helm]

3200 lobby with 2700 healers

[jolly sierra]

and that is awful

[severe helm]

but in theory

that healer is your skill level

if theyre at the top of the healer ladder

it just looks weird

[jolly sierra]

tbh is pitiful

[severe helm]

its more annoying at low ratings as a healer

cuz as a 2200 healer youre often paired with 2200 dps

but frankly

2200 dps players are far stupider than 2200 healers

so you constantly have to play babysitter

[jolly sierra]

i always ends stuck w healers cuz one of em ends 0-6 and the other one 6-0

[severe helm]

since healer mmr is less inflated

[jolly sierra]

its pretty common

[severe helm]

you naturally play with worse dps

which makes the healer experience more miserable

then suddenly when you get high rated as a healer you start to see the opposite lol

so when you get to like 2.7ish as a healer you start getting into 3k+ lobbies

the system is just super broken

[jolly sierra]

ye

the babysitting happens at 1k6 tho more frequently

[severe helm]

I havent noticed that

there should be enough density at that low of a rating to get paired correctly

are you looking at mmr or cr

[jolly sierra]

but in my experience i had more issues w healers at 2k+ because one of them cant adapt and the other one can

[candid tide]

i can manage with players at 1600 anything under that is just too sweaty

[severe helm]

lower is more sweaty?

[jolly sierra]

the 1k6 1000-1200 games w/l player

ye

a lot

1k6 players are the average

[severe helm]

sweaty means more try hard

[jolly sierra]

so u will see a lot of them stuck playing

[severe helm]

people get sweatier the higher rated you go

[candid tide]

xd i thought nervous

[severe helm]

nah lol

[jolly sierra]

no

[candid tide]

lmao

[severe helm]

when someone is a "sweat" or a "sweaty" player they try SUPER hard

[jolly sierra]

well, ye, that is the case

[candid tide]

im def sweaty

[jolly sierra]

w 1k6 players

[severe helm]

1.6k players are not sweats haha

[jolly sierra]

they are, but they flames a lot too

[severe helm]

they are missing half their enchants half the time

no they are just ragers thats different lol

[jolly sierra]

lemme tell me you something

in this continent

[candid tide]

i rage alot too holy shiet

[jolly sierra]

lol players usually plays A LOT per day

but A LOT

to being stuck at silver and bronze

just because they cant recognize their own mistakes

[jolly sierra]

and blame their partners instead

that happens w wow 1k6 players

[severe helm]

yeah thats not what a sweat is

[jolly sierra]

they rage a lot and waste their time

[candid tide]

with league pick and ban is alr the reason why some doesnt break out elo hell

lower playerse are just too biased with champs

[jolly sierra]

isnt not tryharding pushing to 1k8 without success for like an entire season?

damn

[severe helm]

A sweat is someone whos like full on typing out a strat call in the starting room "okay we open on priest with blind on hpal, if hpal trinkets we swap him in a kidney. I want PS in response to shadowblades ONLY if I dont pre feint" like that kinda shit

[jolly sierra]

with like 2k+ games?

[severe helm]

like if someones doing all that in the starting room theyre a sweat haha

[jolly sierra]

ahhhhhhhhh we are talking about different stuff

tbh no, usually we understand the tryharder as the player which puts too much effort without success

[candid tide]

i used to say if target walls switch target, but idk if this is effective all the time

[jolly sierra]

at least here

[severe helm]

if someone is just "you [blank] idiot how can you be [blank] stupid go [blank] yourself" thats just an asshole haha

[severe helm]

a tryhard is synonymous with a sweater

[candid tide]

feels so waste popping ur burst on walled target at the start of shuffle idk

[jolly sierra]

the funniest part

is when the guy just afks

[candid tide]

or go on bm instead of destro

[jolly sierra]

like a week ago

i saw a very pricky ret which just insults the current rating and games played

called him out and both told my rating and games bad

guy was just inventing numbers

bruh

with a guy told him to touch some grass for being a mental case

tbh i dont get how some persons are so miserable irl to seek for approval in a game

its just pathetic

imagine servers goes down forever and u lose everything

[candid condor]

[jolly sierra]

o

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

got it it im toning down

xd

[potent pivot]

Naw someone hit filter lol

[jolly sierra]

huh

rlly

[hybrid vessel]

whats the highest rating you can gain per win at high mmr low cr?

[jolly sierra]

cmon dont scare me like that guys

[candid condor]

Hey man, if all I have to do to make an entire channel chill is post an emoji, Ima abuse that shit

[jolly sierra]

like 500 per win depending of mmr

after that 72 max with a 6-0

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

until like 1k4 or so

[hybrid vessel]

ah ye but once ur past the 'starting' cr

im at like 1770ish and 2200+ mmr

got +23 last game

can it go higher?

[potent pivot]

For what bracket

Max per win for blitz for example is 20 something iirc

[ionic forge]

25 I think is max

[hybrid vessel]

oh sorry in blitz

just had +23 in blitz atleast

[gray dune]

Debating if I wanna just do 3s at this point over solo shuffle

[thorny gate]

ive seen like a +36 i think

that was at like 1800 cr 2.1k mmr

[severe helm]

yeah had a dh message me raging after a blitz

same thing

"bro im r1 on eu you suck" etc etc

I told him I bet his parents aren't proud of him

he stopped responding

rofl

[lime oar]

Idk the rating system very well

[severe helm]

24 per win is max in blitz yeah

its painfully slow

[jaunty osprey]

24

arena and blitz

[severe helm]

shuffle goes up more

which is nice

so easy to grind out rating in shuffle

I think its cuz theres "6" rounds

so they obv have to give you more rating for winning 6 vs winning 4

[jaunty osprey]

yeee, got 2 rogues to 2600+ in less than 80 wins, 110 games

shuffle is so good

for rating gains

[lime oar]

I feel like I have to hit multiple 6-0’s back to back to climb mmr at all which is kinda wild. I consistently go 4 or 5 out of 6 and my mmr and cr just stay leveled out together

[severe helm]

agreeed

[jaunty osprey]

well your placement games matter the most @lime oar

[gray dune]

I wish I could do that🥲

[severe helm]

if you go 4/2 long enough you will go up

healers have more trouble

but as dps it def goes up from 4-2ing

[jaunty osprey]

If you 4-2, 5-1, 6-0 AFTER placements it will pretty much always be the same for ur cr and mmr

With a variance of +10 to +15 mmr from ccr if you 6-0

[lime oar]

Interesting, didn’t know that

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

[severe helm]

6-0 increases your mmr more than 5-1

[jaunty osprey]

let me find some screenshots

[severe helm]

it very much also depends on lobby mmr to your mmr

if youre lower mmr than the lobby

and you go 4-2

you will go up

but if youre a lot above hte lobby

and you go 4-2, you might even lose mmr