pvp

[molten hedge]

Did they win their first series?

[potent pivot]

ya

[molten hedge]

Ok. I’m at restaurant so not watching. What’s the score rn

[potent pivot]

2-0 in this set

move is losing

they just go to lower bracket if they lose

so not the end yet

[proven field]

heartseeking injector sharing a CD with Crimson Vial is just... ridiculous

[wild wigeon]

Pika keeps disconnecting

[potent pivot]

yep

he needs to get a back up connection or something

kinda crazy

[vocal surge]

1.4 M Blade Flurry hit

[potent pivot]

And Jung puts the move into the lower bracket

That means L tier and the move have to rematch

[jaunty osprey]

Nah

Kalvish can knock l tier out

[fluid yarrow]

please, give me rotation outlaw rogue

for pvp

[severe helm]

correct

and they only pair against other prots lol

ngl its a little toxic to queue as prot

effectively forcing 4 other people to play a shit version of shuffle for your own benefit hahahaha

[languid ravine]

cheap shot targets that need to be stunned, rest same as pve

[vocal surge]

Root Central (6 Frost Mages)

[spring bough]

“Filler” dmg 😂

[gray dune]

is the season weapon illusion warband wide or just teh character that earns it

[ionic forge]

Account wide

[gray dune]

oh thank god lol, i didnt wanna earn it on multiple characters lol

[jolly sierra]

acc wide ye, as usual

[gray dune]

ive never earned one so i wouldnt have known lol. This would be the first season ive done

[jolly sierra]

gratz if is the case

[hidden moth]

how tf is this balanced

in what world is 3 million instant cast earth shocks balanced

shit hits harder than a fucking chaos bolt

That was through 25% wall btw and 12.53% dr with vers

[jaunty vapor]

Any tips on targeting? Tab the preferred method? Having trouble targeting as assassin. Ty

[potent pivot]

Arena1/2/3 is the best method

[jaunty vapor]

Ok ty.

[potent pivot]

There’s an addon on Curseforge for helping not tab target pets in arena

If you search “tab target” on curseforge you can probably find it

Learning to use Arena1/2/3 will help more in the end as it’s the best solution

[stoic spruce]

There's also an addon called comix that's super helpful

[dim oriole]

Retabbinder or something, switches automatically when doing pvp/pve

[stoic spruce]

Also one called Yarr

[potent pivot]

this is all you need

[spring bough]

GOAT

[safe pelican]

capture the flag is killing me in bgb

on games where there is no dedicated flag carrier like mw or pres

i have to run it and my team still cant kill the efc

like what am i supposed to do there

im still positive on the day for wins but im noticing that these are the games preventing me from leaving this bracket and thats why im losing i cant go and fight because then ill die with the flag as i only have 3 major defensives

[jaunty vapor]

ty

[jaunty vapor]

ty bro

[waxen meteor]

Does the lens work with only pvp gem?

it looks like there's no dmg on my alt

but i feel it could be linked to i don;t have more socket yet?

[potent pivot]

nope

you have to have a stat gem socketed

[waxen meteor]

ok

bounty just gave me two mat

let me socket it

[spring bough]

whoever thinks flurry is padding can kick rocks lmaoooo..... two outlaws 5 mil + flurry on a feral while we slam healer to death. feral died 3 seconds after LMAOO

[potent pivot]

Who said BF was pad

Damage to pets is pad

[waxen meteor]

damn initial placemnet lobby was only 5-1

second lobby would be 1960 mmr

fuck feral died instantly i can't even help

Most rounds just like this, lol

[spring bough]

aoe build going crazy lol

[proven field]

This your Mastery Outlaw alt?

[vocal surge]

Ye

That's his alt

we're doing 2s Rated

in the 1800s bracket

[proven field]

awesome

What's the build?

[vocal surge]

10% haste, rest Mastery

[proven field]

Just a sustainapalooza?

[vocal surge]

Gigaburst honestly

we've deleted some lads in 5s

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-fistac-so-gif-23623655

I messed around with high mastery near the end of DF and had fun with it

[vocal surge]

Aye

lad started doing 1800s 2s

with 1p and no conq weapon

and we're pushing up

The more we win, the more we overcome gear diff

some of the games we're losing is from gear diff

had a match

on the Kultiras arena

the announcer had to use the machine-flaregun

because of how many times the enemy healer and DPS were dipping under that flaregun trigger threshold lol

[proven field]

You need that streamer button pressing addon

so we can follow along

[spring bough]

45% mastery lol

[proven field]

You guys both running the same build?

[vocal surge]

Yeah

except for rogue tree

rogue tree is slightly different

[proven field]

Live experiment

[spring bough]

i just hit a mage running away with a 20 yard BTE and my flurry from it killed the sub rogue too

[proven field]

How do you think it would fare in BGB?

feels it would be perfect for double dps 2s but maybe not as effective in large scale

[vocal surge]

you giga nuke teams

you have 20% more damage spread on Blade Flurry

Not sure how Fatebound can outcleave Trickster

when Trickster can almost do 100% of their ST damage as cleave

[potent pivot]

[proven field]

"A User has updated their name in server from NoTrickz to SomeTrickz"

[spring bough]

yeah MG is OD with mastery

[stoic spruce]

Clicks on video
Sees crackshot gameplay
Clicks off

[spring bough]

1st solo with mastery lol

did 70mil more than the next guy over 6 rounds lol

[proven field]

So whats your opening like?

[spring bough]

A nice kidney or cheap for 10% inc damage

And into a KS and crack window

[vocal surge]

5%

50% PvP multiplier for Sting

[spring bough]

either way still an inc lol

[zealous sand]

Anyone got a tutorial for outlaw pvp? It feels like im off dmg alot ingames

Vanish at 5 coins
BtE in subter windows
Nelf for extra subter

[safe pelican]

Sounds like loads of dmg to me

[safe pelican]

here

this is for Fatebound if you are playing Trickster its different

[grave basin]

I see people running with this build now

On murlok

Is there any difference in playstyle

Over vigor + tea

[zealous sand]

yeah im running fatebound, not sure if tea or forced induction is what ppl play in shuffle

[gusty hedge]

fi

[zealous sand]

i feel very starved as fi

[gusty hedge]

what UI are you using?(or Wa) think i seen brykner using this too, wanted to swap to this from Zac Wa(rtb)

[gusty hedge]

down times its forsure feeling starved, feels worse if u make mistakes due to less energy/regen

[spring bough]

if ur on a lvl 77 war farming a wpvp quest im so sorry for facerolling u for the ez quest completion LOL

[spring bough]

get in a 1955 rating solo shuffle.... BM hunter goes "im not playing" and this guy literally has been just sitting in the entrance talking shit lol

guys playing S tier and does this lol

[grave basin]

i cannot imagine a company more dog shit

im in a blood dk/uh dk/dh lob

[hazy monolith]

blood dk is indeed a joke rn

[spring bough]

blood dk said hold my beer

and was prob at 100% HP from that death strike heal XD

[grave basin]

blood dk just ended a monk from 80 TO 0

[jolly sierra]

remember kids never mess up other ones rounds

u can even get banned

[grave basin]

like legit the round just ended

and the monk afked the blood dks round to not let him get a win

[jolly sierra]

i thought they were trolling the 1st time ive met one

[spring bough]

im getting 200k MGs right now in solo against plate. im kinda loving this mastery outlaw lol

[jolly sierra]

guys were deadly serious about doing dmg

[vocal surge]

Vigor + Tea is mainly for the mastery but Trickster has enough energy regen to make due without Vigor

Supercharger has some serious uptime for AR, Subterfuge, and Take your Cut

[grave basin]

can we please have balance tuning

next week

i cba with all these blood dk/bm hunters

[grave basin]

nice

[vocal surge]

Its my own WA (Selfmade)

[grave basin]

i havent touched my rogue since like 4 weeks ago

havent kept up with the latest tech

[vocal surge]

Aye

rn me n Vancleef trying out more mastery over haste

since we seeing people run it and it does slap harder

[grave basin]

i dont have a choice cause i only have my sin gear

how are these stats

what do i change

this is with rtb buff

[vocal surge]

lemme reverse calculate your haste rq

You have about ~14% haste base?

[wanton breach]

at what time does AWC start? or in how many hours/minutes

[grave basin]

with no buffs

[vocal surge]

Aye, that makes it easier

I'd slightly increase the haste to 10% but you can run this fine as Trickster Outlaw

[grave basin]

im FB

[vocal surge]

Ah, FB wants more crit

[grave basin]

how much we talking

in pvp

[vocal surge]

4% more

[hazy monolith]

1:45h

[wanton breach]

thanks!

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[lime oar]

Man I just fell down a YouTube rabbit hole and ended up watching some sub rogue BFA PvP

So bad

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNjyNGHZT88&t=287s

zilla dope boys

hop in===>raise volume

[spring bough]

mastery outlaw in 3s lol

i just had a lobby where not one single killing spree went off......

[jaunty osprey]

buggy aff

[spring bough]

WW was on the other team they don’t parry me anymore as trickster but I get a lot of dodges from them

[severe helm]

That doesn't work in pvp

So yeah if you press KS into fists it won't go off

That's what makes KS fail

And it doesn't matter if you aren't targeting him if he's within 10yards then it will make it fail

Same is true for anyone with dodge/miss/deflect(turtle)

[spring bough]

If I look at details after a monk match I get 0 parry on any of my abilities so idk what you’re talking about. The faze no parry def works

[severe helm]

Nope

[spring bough]

I’m clearly seeing it in details

[severe helm]

It's disabled in pvp

[earnest forge]

ngl this pvp brawl thing is boring af but is it good to turn brain off to farm gem slots

[spring bough]

Brother I check my details after every match and I get 0 parry on any ability I use. So idk what you’re talking bout. My details tells me all I need to know

I only get dodges or misses

[severe helm]

Just find a warrior or monk and try it

It's why your KS is failing too

[spring bough]

That match I linked I had 0 parry

[severe helm]

That's what makes KS not go off

[spring bough]

Only misses

[severe helm]

It's from Parry

Details is broken a lot of the time bro

They explicitly said this when they released it

[gusty hedge]

its 🔥

[spring bough]

Till I see it say parry I don’t believe it and you can tell me they said it all you want lmao

[vocal surge]

Aye

[candid tide]

ai awc les go

[severe helm]

Alright well if you stop pressing KS while fists of fury is up it will start working more 🙂

[lime oar]

@jaunty osprey spotted in the flesh

[stoic spruce]

Ew wtf

!ban @jaunty osprey forever

[lime oar]

Goated transmog tbh

Atleast he’s not playing outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Elf AND not playing outlaw??

Being banned isn't enough

I want his mf computer exploded

[spring bough]

What is that mog

[stoic spruce]

Shit spray painted purple

And dipped in glitter

I have no idea why I'm hating lol

[jaunty osprey]

OH, THAT WAS U

[jaunty osprey]

/outfit v1 189954,106576,0,113562,104602,7244,195164,194052,12926,189956,198608,86487,221199,-1,6096,221199,6096

[spring bough]

You’re trolling lol

[jaunty osprey]

it's insane

dont judge

u're just jealous

it looks better on gnomes

[spring bough]

I’d hate life if some fairy came out the shadows and whipped my ass 😂

That’s like when I do the bikini mog on my kul tiran lol

[jaunty osprey]

LOOKS BETTER

ON GNOME

[spring bough]

Gnome rogue trolling too lol

Love it

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/gnomed-gnome-youve-been-gnomed-gif-16782193

[jaunty osprey]

these awc damp games are boring

i need more iltu in my life

[earnest forge]

imagine being as unintelligent as me

those aint rings. ruined alt.

[gray dune]

so it says earning elite unlocks teh transmog set for the class you earn it on, lil confused on that since 1800 gets you the full set.

[potent pivot]

What

[potent pivot]

Ok?

[gray dune]

but you get the full set at 1800, just a lil confused is all lol. Unless its counting the tabard and cloak

[potent pivot]

It doesn’t

You’re not making any sense though

The achievement is very easily understood

1800 = your full elite set for the specific class you’re on

This isn’t LFG

[vocal surge]

Wanted to see if anyone else wanted to do some arenas for fun

[jaunty osprey]

lfgggggg

iltu vs echo

coming

[hazy monolith]

lets gooo

[jaunty osprey]

outlaw rogue vs outlaw rogue

time

[potent pivot]

Can’t use the server as LFG

[vocal surge]

Ah, F

[potent pivot]

_<

[jolly sierra]

tbh some elite recolors are pretty crappy ngl

just look

the difference is abyssmal

[hazy monolith]

yep

elite is a joke this ssn

[jolly sierra]

the best imo are monks, rog, evoker and mage by far

[jaunty osprey]

i like the pala one

[jolly sierra]

idk dude

looks weird, like some kind of random color put over it

instead making it fit

its like emmm

[hazy monolith]

the worst 😄

[jolly sierra]

how shiny pokemons were colored in gen1 lol

pretty random

[jaunty osprey]

hehehe

[hazy monolith]

normally low contrast sets are easily obtainable

and high contrast is elite etc

[jolly sierra]

both rogs and mages looks very nice comparing the other ones surronding them

one looks pretty voidy aesthetically-wise and the other one looks like draenei wod pally tier

but for cloth

like this one

[hazy monolith]

sham looks like a dungeon set

[jolly sierra]

ye lol

[spring bough]

Love an easy 5-1 going 4-2 cause healer blows all CDs and sits in entrance to lose last round on purpose

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft

must watch matches

right now

[potent pivot]

they're all still playing HO crackshot build

let's see if rmp can beat iltu

[jaunty osprey]

even trill was playing HO

crackshot

all this talk about KIR and sinister strike

was them just saying shit

i swear

[potent pivot]

yeh

it's prolly a fun fuckaround build on ladder

[hazy monolith]

is supercharger from yesterday?

[jaunty osprey]

ya i guess u dont get peeled as much

on ladder

compared to AWC

so you have more uptime for CD resets

healers are oom, sigh

[potent pivot]

raiku still refuses to play ice wall

[jaunty osprey]

iltu spending so much time trying to get a clone on mehh

[safe pelican]

How do i sap cap on dk cause of the pet ? or hunter for that matter do you sap AND pop evasion to cap?

will that even work

[waxen meteor]

You can’t

[safe pelican]

wack

[waxen meteor]

Sap cap doesn’t work with pet class

[safe pelican]

word i played you yersterday too in blitz

[waxen meteor]

Me?

[safe pelican]

Yea you got an assa rogue named tarnylol or sum like that?

[tropic mason]

theres the ice wall

[potent pivot]

oh shit raiku finally pulled out ice wall

[tropic mason]

lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I got a tarnylolol alt

Fresh leveled

[tropic mason]

god damn coffey just blew up

[hazy monolith]

ziqo just said it

respect the cooldown

[sick wasp]

yup

its already 0-2

raiku pumped that rogue

i swear this man

the horniest

😂

[hazy monolith]

azael keeps saying step kick

lmao

since yesterday

[fallow rune]

Does assassin rogue just two set or four set bonus?

[potent pivot]

4

[fallow rune]

Which parts should be used for it?

[potent pivot]

everything except gloves

you can check gear on murlok.io

[sick wasp]

whaazz is a god

and raiku ofc

tanking the ele and doing dmg and cc-ing the rogue

idk

holysht thats impressive

[hazy monolith]

that fake

insane balls

[tropic mason]

echo just completely shutting out iltu's win con of cyclone and win

[sick wasp]

yup

btw its stupid how tanky the owl is

and presvoker

stupid amount of cds to heal constantly

[vocal surge]

Presvoker can health bar reset themselves 10 times in 1 min

[sick wasp]

its disgusting rly

they managed to isolate the dragon w/o wall or anything,it just tanked the swap

half health

idk any other class that can do that

[tropic mason]

who wins NA tho

[potent pivot]

either jung or the move is my guess

[tropic mason]

unless pika internet is getting attacked again

[potent pivot]

that was his power going out

[tropic mason]

ah

[spring bough]

is this guy using a wow character as his webcam lol

[tropic mason]

wait, mehh was the guy who quit last expansion becuase they won too much right

[potent pivot]

blizzard does that because he isn't on cam

@jaunty osprey think it's possible for kalvs team to knock out L tier

[spring bough]

precise cuts >> CTO

[vocal surge]

Precise Cuts is the flex talent

If no pets on enemy team, Precise Cut just destroys

[spring bough]

with dancing steel that is lol

im 40mil ahead on this solo overall

last rround

1.2mil flurry in shuffle is no joke lol

[potent pivot]

kalvs playing BR over cto

[spring bough]

1-0

[spring bough]

yeah this aoe mastery outlaw is no joke with trickster. its feeling OP not gonna lie

[potent pivot]

i meant blade rush

[spring bough]

feel like i have blade rush with coup lol

[vocal surge]

^

Trickster without Vigor kinda doesn't need Blade Rush

already has the energy to sustain itself and enough CDR to pop Grappling

Thinking about going Thief's Versatility over Heavy Hitter

[spring bough]

well 3rd rogue alt conq capped and 3/9 gems now lol

[potent pivot]

ig he only played BR because it was nagrand

[vocal surge]

Ah

[spring bough]

F tier so screwed. Kalv is just hounding Saul. bro cant deal lol

[fringe robin]

Yo what spec is bustin rn?

[lime oar]

Too busy to follow this stuff. Someone summarize for me what the drama is

Someone dc’ed and they killed em?

[fringe robin]

im getn my ass handed to me as sub, am I just bad?

[lime oar]

No, sub is very punishing right now even if u make minor mistakes.

[potent pivot]

ye

[lime oar]

That’s lame as shit. Should just start the match over.

[potent pivot]

well the rules are basically if someone DC's no one is obligated to wait

there's a lot of money on the line so can't really expect everyone to wait in the finals

[lime oar]

Ye I know thats the rules. Just seems wrong

[potent pivot]

@severe helm whaazz's little secret was something we all knew

[lime oar]

Not really a win is it

[potent pivot]

yeh i mean it's scuffed but it is what it is

[hazy monolith]

if you are not able to prepare your setup if you wanna win $

its your fault imho

[potent pivot]

nah

some things are impossible to prepare for

[hazy monolith]

bla

[potent pivot]

so that's kinda cooked

[hazy monolith]

its like driving f1 and assuming everyone has to wait for you while your car fucks up

[potent pivot]

what

it's a video game

[lime oar]

Worst analogy I’ve ever heard

[potent pivot]

and it isn't even LAN it's played from home

issues are basically expected when it isn't LAN

[hazy monolith]

afaik ceralium is on starlink lmao

[lime oar]

You could have the most locked in setup and still have a DC. It happens

[potent pivot]

no one can control their power going out

[hazy monolith]

if you know its not stable you dont use it

easy as that

[potent pivot]

if you think you can control your power going out you are cooked af

some people can only get certain internet providers where they live

[hazy monolith]

for pika it was something in his house, totally in his control

[potent pivot]

that's why the competition SHOULD be LAN

[thorny gate]

you cant out setup a bug with blizzards game if it is a dc from that, hitting lips of stairs/ walls in the graveyard arena map have been a thing for years

[potent pivot]

the cooked takes are insane

[exotic epoch]

Hey lads, I’m done with my objectives on Mage and Hunter for the season and I want the challenge of learning Rogue. I do mainly Blitz and SS and my goal for the rest of the season would be to learn 1 spec until I’m in muscle memory mode and can start to focus on plays. I hear Assa is simpler than the other two specs but I would like to learn the right spec for the longer term. Do you have recommendations on what spec I should focus on? (Sorry for the noob question, thank you so much in advance <3)

[potent pivot]

just play the spec you like

[exotic epoch]

Well, I just made the char so I’m really open at this point. 🙂

[potent pivot]

try them all

and choose

don't let someone else's opinion choose what you should play

all 3 specs are viable

[severe helm]

lol what was it

also I did find a secret

[exotic epoch]

Grappling hook looks fun. Shadowstrike from a distance is fun. Assa being touted as the easy spec makes me hesitate that maybe that’s what I should play.

[potent pivot]

rolling after pressing KiR for an extra buff

[severe helm]

LOOOOL

[potent pivot]

yeah

lmao

[severe helm]

thats not even the full rules either

hes probably leaving so much damage on the table

[potent pivot]

well he has a WA that tells him when to press kir

[severe helm]

wonder if its even up to date

something ive been doing in blitz and stuff is stacking supercharger for the opener

can get like 4-6 stacks in starting room

also you can do a Pseudo ER bug and generate a ton of cdr very quickly using a /cancelaura snd macro

[potent pivot]

ye ik

[severe helm]

cuz snd beneffits from sc but doesnt consume

[potent pivot]

disgusting behavior

[severe helm]

not my fault blizzard sucks as coding

[potent pivot]

bug abuser

[severe helm]

this ones not even a bug they know it does this

theyre just too lazy to fix it

probably didnt have a whitelist/blacklist field for SC flag

wonder if whaaz k nows the other rotational rules like bte outside of crackshot isnt worth pressing unless you have RP buff

or the rules for generators with PS while broadside is up

[spring bough]

its def not a bug

its just how charger works

[potent pivot]

the only thing he's talking about is loaded dice and kir etc

[spring bough]

can stack charges

[potent pivot]

he's also saying not to ADR on CD

[lime oar]

Just send it on the training dummy with each spec. Assa is def the easiest but nothing is so far ahead that it would determine what u play. Whichever playstyle you enjoy is most important

[severe helm]

yeah I mean in pvp I agree with that

[severe helm]

hes talking about using a /cancelaura snd macro to spam snd and gain a ton of cdr

while not consuming SC

that ones def bordering bug abuse

but imma just point the finger at blizz

[potent pivot]

yeah i mean that's been around so long

it's really just annoying

that they leave it

[severe helm]

the devs in charge of rogue have been taking a loooot of short cuts the past few patches

esp from an outlaw perspective

[hazy monolith]

smiles in demon hunter

[jaunty osprey]

fffffff

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

Is blitz really this dead already? Feel like theres no queues if its before like 8pm pst

for a bracket where cr goes up so slowly, having such limited queue times reaaaally sucks lol

[jaunty osprey]

ya, you're higher mmr right? people only really queue evenings

at that mmr

[severe helm]

so lame

[jaunty osprey]

L TIER

[safe pelican]

It’s terrible

There’s no way this little amount of people are playing

I was getting 1 minute queues early now it’s like 25 minutes

Multibox rogue account is at 73 need to get that 80 before bed

[hexed pollen]

What embellishment do Assa's use for bgs?

[potent pivot]

all rogue specs just use Lens

[potent pivot]

we gotta stop giving blizzard more money for more queues

so many people are making more accounts its kinda disgusting

[spring bough]

maybe if they let us shit talk we wouldnt need more than 1 lmao

[severe helm]

LOL

thats a take

[spring bough]

bring back that ultra competitive spirit

[severe helm]

tbh most of the time the people who shit talk and get banned suck the most

[spring bough]

oh damn direct stab ig lmao

[severe helm]

just callin it like it is

if you cant learn to shit talk without swearing or breaking ToS

then thats your fault

skill issue imo

[gusty hedge]

meet me in goldshire

[safe pelican]

Yea lol you’re right lmao this was a very wild move and i still do not forgive what i have done but the queues are wild if the queues aren’t better mulitboxing then I’ll cut the account lol

[severe helm]

I think the problem there might be getting your own account in your matches

esp if youre queueing blitz

[safe pelican]

How did you come to that conclusion

[potent pivot]

like eventually the queue will pop for both accounts at once

and you'll have to decline on one of them

[proven field]

Free win for the main one

[safe pelican]

Executive decisions will be made when we cross that bridge

[potent pivot]

and get banned? sure

[proven field]

Why would you get banned; it’s no different than two people in one house queuing

[safe pelican]

Wym if the queue pops you don’t lose rating for not going in do you ?

It’s not like a 2v2 queue or 3v3 queue

[potent pivot]

because it would be considered win trading

it's very different

[safe pelican]

It’s 0/16 if one person doesn’t accept it drops them repicks i can see how win trading is def ban-able im not talking about that lol

[proven field]

Two different accounts logged in at the same time? Then every accidental queue would be

[potent pivot]

naw you'd be fine

[proven field]

Maybe he is doing something different

[potent pivot]

but if you enter the queue on both accounts and afk on one account

for a "free win"

that's win trading

[safe pelican]

Lmao nah nah i would never do that 😂

But i have seen people do that in shuffle

[proven field]

How would you even set that up let alone pull it off more than once ever

And even then sormone would have to notice and report

And they would then have to manually connect the dots in the back office

[potent pivot]

someone would definitely notice if you afk an entire game

[potent pivot]

you are the one that said this

[candid tide]

drake > pika

[potent pivot]

now you're asking irrelevant shit

lol

[proven field]

But they wouldn’t know your other chsr is there

[potent pivot]

they don't need to know it's yours

they see you afk an entire game

[proven field]

I think you’re fearmongering

[potent pivot]

bro what

do you even play the game

if you sit afk for an entire game in rated you are 100% getting reported by multiple people

[proven field]

He’s obviously not going to afk in the extreme rare case both his chars hit the same queue

[potent pivot]

then why did you bother saying this

[proven field]

It’s a joke you psycho

[potent pivot]

....right

[proven field]

The odds of ever even getting two in is so small

[potent pivot]

it really isn't

[candid tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR8Mrt1IpXg

[potent pivot]

it happens a lot more than you'd guess

[proven field]

Based on what

[potent pivot]

once both characters are at a similar MMR

based on anyone that queues 2 accounts

queue times being so long at higher mmr makes the probability of it happening pretty common

[proven field]

Ok well in this hypothetical one-time situation that hasn’t actually happened, he would be fine to pop both

[potent pivot]

what

so you're saying it'd be fine to effectively win trade

[proven field]

What leap in logic is that lol

Dude you argue everything man - you not used to being challenged on things or what

[potent pivot]

no you're just saying dumb shit for no reason

[proven field]

You’re just causing panic

[vocal surge]

Modern Warfare 2 lobbies

[candid tide]

the move with the comback

[potent pivot]

how tf

[proven field]

Two people live in same house and queue into each other don’t need to worry unless the ey are consistently doing something wrong - and it needs to not be a hypothetical situation made form a joke

[potent pivot]

queueing 2 accounts at once is fine

accepting the same queue on 2 accounts at once is not

[proven field]

So if my wife queues into me I am at risk of ban just by playing

[potent pivot]

unless someone else is playing the other account

that's fine

[severe helm]

if youre saying the queues are long it means theres not many people queueing, and if theres not many people to select from and you are TWO of those people, theres a good chance you get yourself in a match

[potent pivot]

we're talking about 1 person with 2 WoW's open on 1 computer

playing by themselves

[severe helm]

yeah this is extremely bannable

[severe helm]

what no

[potent pivot]

idk if you actually understand the conversation

[safe pelican]

I mean I see what you’re saying but I’m willing to risk that your theory maybe be flawed mathematically

[severe helm]

I mean theres no risk if you just only accept the queue on one character

[potent pivot]

^

[severe helm]

but its not flawed people did this a lot in DF myself include

d

cuz solo shuffle queues get really long at high mmr

and its easier to grind up mmr if you queue two chars at once

[proven field]

What are you worried about - MAC tracking?

[potent pivot]

you would be afk on 1 of the accounts

[severe helm]

yeah you cant play two people at once

[halcyon timber]

That’s sabotage

[safe pelican]

Well in my defense , i also want to go again at blitz since i know what im doing now but I also have the genius idea of queue blitz on my outlaw rogue and my mulitbox rogue is assa i want to queue shuffle on that

So whatever pops first i play

[severe helm]

yeah thats fine

theres nothing wrong with that at all

[proven field]

Walk me through the tracking - maybe I don’t understand - router is one IP, how would blizz even see unless it is consistent and egregious

[severe helm]

being afk is egregious

[potent pivot]

they don't have to see it

[severe helm]

you will be reported

they will look into it

and see both accounts are logged in from same IP

and you get banned

[potent pivot]

win trading has always been very bannable

[proven field]

Whole house is one IP

[severe helm]

thats not true

[proven field]

Of course win trading is; but how would they track you

[severe helm]

each device uses its own unique private IP address

[proven field]

Blizz doesn’t see past your gateway

[severe helm]

blizz sees every program running on your pc

[potent pivot]

blizz can see that both accounts are under the same bnet

[severe helm]

they see background applications

they see mouse movement

[proven field]

You would be relying on AI bot to connect dots based on reporting flag

[potent pivot]

even if they're on different bnets getting banned on the afk account is pointless

you just don't accept a q on both accounts at once

it's very simple

[severe helm]

yeah its a known violation to wintrade in this way

[proven field]

Of course lol - no one disagrees

[severe helm]

you can believe whatever you want

but if you honestly think blizz doesnt have the ability to tell when two accounts are being logged in from the same pc youre kidding yourself

[proven field]

The question is would he be immediately banned if it happened once

[severe helm]

ofc not immediately

it would go through a review

its not automated

that was never the question haha

[proven field]

Sorry would he be banned if this hypothetical situation happened once and he hit accept queue

[severe helm]

potentially yeah

if people reported him

I report someone if theyre afk immediately

[proven field]

Me too but how often does it do anything

[potent pivot]

these days people get reported even if they're just playing like shit

since chatting shit will just get you muted, people report insta now

[severe helm]

yeah pretty often these days

the person in question here is multi boxxing BECAUSE they received a chat ban

[proven field]

Well they likely already on known terrorist list

Maybe they play it safe before probation becomes prison then

[potent pivot]

i've probably watched folks like Nahj for example decline queues on 1 acc multiple times

because q pops for both accounts at once

[proven field]

That dude has thousands watching him - he would have to

[potent pivot]

nah

only like 100 viewers usually

[safe pelican]

It’s just a morals thing though like why would you even

[potent pivot]

^

[candid tide]

they cancel era kekw

too cringe

[proven field]

I wouldn’t have two Accts personally

[potent pivot]

match point for the jung/move

[candid tide]

oh it goes further than 3-1

[potent pivot]

ye

[safe pelican]

I abbreviate all my curse words to the just the beginning letter now like for instance had an EOTS team that didn’t cap home and we lost in the opener i was like “what the f” in chat

[potent pivot]

final match is always best of 7

[proven field]

Ya it was pretty clearly a joke though - don’t see anyone advocating win trading lol

[safe pelican]

Gunna tune into AWC for this match point

[potent pivot]

3-1 for the jung

so either the move wins 3 in a row or they're done

[spring bough]

ez win under 4 min

[languid ravine]

and why wouldnt it be dead when 90% of all matches are unplayable non-gameplay trash with impossibly unbalanced matches and player characters with questionable humanity I hope it gets removed from the game along with 2s and Overwatch 2

[severe helm]

hahaha

yeah im just tryna get my title and get out

its definitely a meme bracket

outlaw cutoff seems pretty non-competitive at least

[severe helm]

btw you can just stop their first cap if you go fast enough with quadruple grapple

run straight to bridge, dismount->sprint->stealth as you touch the bridge and grapple 4 times and PS them from down low

[spring bough]

yeah i know. im not playing a single second of fatebound on this outlaw

[severe helm]

oh unfort

[safe pelican]

That was insane Trickz lol

What a match

[candid tide]

lmao

[potent pivot]

Yeah that was wild

[candid tide]

absterge killed him xD

[potent pivot]

The move clawing it back

[severe helm]

pika needs to get better internet lol

[potent pivot]

It was his power yesterday

[severe helm]

oh damn really?

isnt he in california?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[severe helm]

the fuck

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

It’s an electrical issue in his house

[severe helm]

daaaamn that sucks

[potent pivot]

His whole office room lost power

[severe helm]

thats so shitty

[severe helm]

he needs a USP

UPS*

esp if its just one room

[jaunty osprey]

520k kingsbane dot with 2m envenom

lmao

[potent pivot]

That’s what I was thinking too yeah

[severe helm]

will last the whole tourney if his power goes down

its a good 2+ hours depending on the size you get

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

damn that was close

[candid tide]

gz welcome to the jungle

[safe pelican]

Aw man that was a crazy game

[potent pivot]

God damn it

[safe pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-pissed-annoyed-upset-irritated-gif-4740537

[severe helm]

zhang is insane

ive played with him in 3s on his rdruid in DF and ive never felt safer

literally felt invulnerable with him on my team

[safe pelican]

He was going crazy in got going to lie but Prev was cranking dmg on Pika the entire match

[severe helm]

yeah I mean its all a part of the same system

its easy to do more damage when you feel safer

rotationally zhang is just insane as a healer

so his hps is nutty and you can play way more aggro than you would otherwise

super efficient healer

[potent pivot]

Drakes damage was weirdly low every match

[severe helm]

cuz wizk was playing mega far back

wizk was playing suuuper safe compared to prev

[safe pelican]

Yea he was i guess Zhang is that dude

[severe helm]

drake maybe could have afforded to play more aggro but in that situation when you have that much momentum the worst thing you can do is overextend and throw for your team

[safe pelican]

Drake dmg compared to Pika was weak and healer can carry for sure so i guess we ruling healer mismatch on this one 😆

[severe helm]

its always a combination

but just looking at how wizk was forced to play, either the move had weaker heals or the jung had stronger dps or some combination of the two

whos nick?

[potent pivot]

I think he ended up being their 4th this season?

[severe helm]

ah

[potent pivot]

Idk

[tropic mason]

ah, wizk had a more aggressive setup than zhang

[severe helm]

zhang was the hpal

you mean prev?

[tropic mason]

er i meant absterge

lol

[severe helm]

ah

yeah zhang plays for the damp for sure

[tropic mason]

gear wise

yeh

[candid tide]

Cross region time les make it happen

[potent pivot]

Oh it’s nicktherogue @severe helm

[severe helm]

this is the most awkward interview ever

ooooooooh

nicks insane

p sure he has r1 on every class haha

[tropic mason]

ah does weapon setup matter too much for priests

?

[potent pivot]

He sounded stoned lmao

[severe helm]

no

like staff vs 1hander + off?

[tropic mason]

yea

[severe helm]

nope

just stat sticks

[candid tide]

Sp runs staff that i know

[fringe robin]

Can someone guide me to some descent embellished effects for SIN rogue in pvp?

[potent pivot]

Just do Lens x2

Check murlok.io for gear

[fringe robin]

Does crafting pvp neck and rings come with gem slots?

[neat torrent]

No you have to buy the settings with honor just like the conquest gear

[vocal surge]

^

[rocky snow]

is honor gear worth losing tier?

[potent pivot]

depends on the ilvl of the tier

[rocky snow]

all 619

seems like the 4 pc is good but im definitely losing a bunch of potential vers

[potent pivot]

probably just replace it yeah

4pc isn't that good in pvp

[spring bough]

50-36 to get duelist in solo shuffle on the new outlaw lol

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

not gonna lie i think i like aoe mastery trrickster better than haste lol

[severe helm]

who stacks haste?

unless youre playing KiR

haste is our worst stat past the haste tax cutoff

[severe helm]

Sick new bug I found, if you have adr up in stealth and pick up the eye. It breaks your stealth(obviously) but adr doesnt lose buff time

forever lol

until you restealth again

its like it tricks subterfuge into being permanent

I wonder if it also triggers crackshot indefinitely rofl

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

even after eye debuff ends

just out of stealth, no subterfuge, but adr not ticking down rofl

[proven field]

Grats homie your dmg is insane - they don’t just tunnel the hell out of you?

[jolly sierra]

do u remember unlimited vanishes in beta?

[spring bough]

sometimes but i got 3 vanishes as night elf lol

[proven field]

Oh right I need to just accept being NE

So what’s a typical opener; I still get caught up sometimes going too hard on ace procs in a CS window when I probably should be saving for KS longer first stun

The dopamine of a 3-4 streak is too strong 😦

[potent pivot]

using your crackshot window on bte is how all the top outlaw's play

[stoic spruce]

Comes to chill in this discord
Sees crackshot mentioned
Leaves

Ciao

[proven field]

Just need one to write a definitive guide - like my opening (not at my
Pc so memory) Rtb in stealth, CS, ambush, hopefully full CP so BTE, hopefully reset full so just keep BTEing but then it’s deciding on if I should burn one on a kidney so I don’t get CC’d the moment CS ends

Or - even worse - get terrible ace/crack procs and just sit there poking ambush to try to get full CP for another BTE before subt ends

But if BTE working and subt ending I then move to full CP KS if they are low or full kidney to keep pumping

Get stuck on things like “should I then vanish and reset burst rotation”, “should I have saved KS to soak burst” etc

[potent pivot]

i would recommend looking through the outlaw pve guides

a lot of the rotational choices are the same

[safe pelican]

😂😂😂

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/the-s-impsons-bush-homer-simpsons-homer-hiding-gif-4325800

[waxen meteor]

Damn i might be really dated

which weapon enchantment are we using now?

Authority of depths?

[potent pivot]

radiant power is fine

[waxen meteor]

ah okay

my healer just told me i might be using sth dated

and it seems json been using aod now

[potent pivot]

ye but even he will tell you to keep using radiant tbh

[severe helm]

I think depths is more ST damage but radiant will work better if youre swapping targets

since depths is a dot

in pve depths is ahead on ST as well

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s also better for aoe/cleave in general

Radiant I mean ^

[vocal surge]

^

[stoic spruce]

No, playing bo6 is better in general.

[vocal surge]

Nah

playing Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun - Twisted Insurrection mod is better

I think Killing Spree is getting stopped by Turbo Fist because of one of it's flags

[jolly sierra]

im playin cata just to get gold

[severe helm]

cuz it gets parried

[jolly sierra]

and pay a token

[vocal surge]

Require All Targets

[severe helm]

KS gets stopped by anyone within 10 yards that has a dodge/parry/miss/deflect/etc

even if you arent targeting them

[vocal surge]

I dont usually have that issue with Warriors

only Monks

[severe helm]

warriors only parry once every 2 minutes

and fury never does

so thats probably why

[vocal surge]

probably because I disarm warrior's DbtS

[severe helm]

p sure that doesnt do anything anymore

we used to be able to step kidney them through it but we lost step 😦

so you gotta try to get a grapple kidney but thats not as easy

[vocal surge]

Ye

grapple behind and 180 + smack hotkey before they turn around

[hidden moth]

drip goes so hard

[severe helm]

im dropping Authority of the depths lol

it broke my sap when i was trying to cap

deleting it rq lol

[hidden moth]

i just use the radiant power

[potent pivot]

finally knocked out the wpvp mount

[severe helm]

bug

[potent pivot]

pretty dope lil mount ngl

the motorcycle is still cooler

[lucid citrus]

crazy they run out of the felcycle

[potent pivot]

yeah i kinda expected it might happen

the same thing happened with the Mountain Zu mount in ff14

i procrastinated and didn't get that one because it "sold out" before i redeemed my codes

[hidden moth]

yeah idk how u can sell out of

digital merch

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

ok my alt alt rogue

is all caught up

TIME TO MAKE ANOTHEER

[proven field]

Didn't you say you were going Outlaw next

[jaunty osprey]

no, i said i could get 2400 as outlaw easily

:p

maybe when conq is uncapped on tues

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-what-you-must-do-green-goblin-goblin-willem-dafoe-norman-osborn-gif-24234930

[gleaming pawn]

should vote to have him play a class that would be a challenge

like getting Holy Priest to 2400

[jaunty osprey]

only meep could ever do that

holy priest is doomed

[vocal surge]

He should play Survival Hunter

[jaunty osprey]

sv hunters arent bad at all

the bad one is MM

[proven field]

Brewmaster Monk

[jaunty vapor]

assassination rogue - can you create a macro that does ambush,garrote?

[potent pivot]

Why would you want to do that?

[jolly sierra]

no, because the gcd

[proven field]

You could make a cast sequence macro that did one and then the other but you'd ahve to tap it twice

[jolly sierra]

doesnt worth the shot imo

its even better to just put both abilities in succession in the bar from each other

then u just press for example G for ambush then H for garrote

as binds

[safe pelican]

🦦

Vamp Anthem 🥁

[lime oar]

i need to stop queuing when im up

shits just like gambling

gotta walk away

[potent pivot]

arms seems cracked i wonder why people say it's bad rn

1.5m MS on a fresh 80 alt

haven't even bought 613 AH gear yet

[vocal surge]

it could be the class line-up that currently makes Arms hard to play (cough cough Frost Mage)

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean I’m sure it’s harder at the high end

Seems like an easy 4 hour 1.8k

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Warrior be getting good mogs

[potent pivot]

Mhm

I usually play Fury

But globals are feeling way more impactful on arms

[vocal surge]

Aye

1 thing I find weird is that they're "adding" the warrior's black coloration of the PvP set from S9 as a transmog for everyone just now

when the set has been in the game for quite a long time

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[vocal surge]

lemme find the article

https://www.wowhead.com/news/cataclysm-timewalking-vendor-refresh-upcoming-transmog-items-349693#screenshots:349693:5

The Warrior S9 PvP Set

[potent pivot]

Oh, who knows

They’ve been slowly adding a lot of recolors and old items to timewalking

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[gleaming frost]

Would you start off with ambush > shiv > deathmark > garrote > rupture > envemon

[potent pivot]

Nope

You don’t really want to Deathmark before having garrote and rupture already going, otherwise you’re wasting its duration

Ambush->garrote->rupture

Or garrote->ambush->rupture

[safe pelican]

LMAOOOO BRO

as a fellow gambler /ex-gambler you are exactly correct

There is an algorithm to the matchmaking system so agree some don’t but after you queue like 25 + games in a day you realize that there really is

[gleaming frost]

@potent pivot Thanks

[steel sinew]

Can I drop a trailer in here for my pvp war?

[red tiger]

#off-topic message

this is why

[potent pivot]

self promo is against the server rules

[steel sinew]

Can I send to u?

[wanton breach]

man, 2s is very fun

getting 700k single target dps in my face from a BM hunter who is hiding behind a pillar

[molten hedge]

Has anyone come across videos that explain how to play sub in depth situationally? I’m looking for something similar to what Shadenox does almost like a VoD type review of their own gameplay explaining why they’re doing what they’re doing. A lot of streamers just give burst rotation. I’m looking for more advanced content.

[lime oar]

I broke my own rule by continuing to Q last night. I KNEW that next one was gonna be bad. I’d been on a streak of no less than 4-6 usually 5-6 every game. But I only played one - two games a day lol

Should’ve just gone to bed.

[dim oriole]

Nobody is just going to explain it like that, you are better watching a whole stream of Nah (or similar)j and watching at least the matches (you can skip through the rest)

There are plenty of uploaded streams in twitch/yt

Watch, learn, try things out yourself, rinse, repeat

Or ask more specific questions here

[molten hedge]

Shadenox does but it’s assa. He does a very good job of explaining the situation. I’m aware of watching streams, but they also don’t explain it. And when you ask the average streamer why they did something, they usually respond with, “it’s situational.” But I do hear you. Was just asking bc there are some less popular creators who take extra time to explain things

And yes this group helped me a ton on Assa. Just trying sub bc I wanted the challenge and enjoy the control/burst.

[dim oriole]

Streamers do explain things too as they do it (or jump on and ask yourself),just not in a condensed format

They have their own discords too

[molten hedge]

Yeah I’m in Nahj, kalvs, and xvics discord. They’ve helped me some. Again was just asking if somebody knew a diamond in the rough that I had not found for sub specifically. Thanks for your input

[dim oriole]

Yea it's all very situational as well, so hard to just give blanket advise for sub I think

[molten hedge]

It’s fun as hell. I wish to god I had played it when we had shadowdust that would’ve been so fun to get blades and everything back super fast I could see how op that was

[languid ravine]

its fair though because he has to ramp for like 3 seconds

probably you are just jealous of his ability to press 1, 2 and 3 in that order

[wanton breach]

I am, I am now leveling my BM hunter

[jaunty vapor]

is it possible to create an ambush/garrote macro?

[proven field]

What for?

[languid ravine]

you can do [stance:1] and [stance:2] and it will only use that ability for stealth and subterfuge

I believe its 1 and 2

[stance:0] for vanish and [nostance] for nothing

but it makes no sense to put garrote and ambush in the same macro

[jolly sierra]

told u in the last night u cant

[jaunty vapor]

I saw the notification on my discord but couldn't find the message. ty again.

[proven field]

@spring bough Maybe dumb question here (likely) but if you were going full mastery Outlaw, would it make sense to use a 1H in OH instead of daggers to get fatter MG hits?

[languid ravine]

supposedly the energy gain and average damage per time is evened out to be equal between sword and dagger but who knows

[spring bough]

Pirates got some calc that showed me a sword in OH over dagger has a more chances to proc unseen blades. That why I rock sword OH

[severe helm]

you were lied to lol

[severe helm]

thats correct

only thing that isnt normalized is poison proc rate

so in pve a dagger OH as outlaw is 0.2% better

[spring bough]

I doubt it. @vocal surge is a spreadsheet champ

Bro gets into R1 territory on blitz and just knows everything lmao

[severe helm]

the misinformation in the pvp channel goes hard lol

the only reason you need for using mh on the offhand is for the mog

[jolly sierra]

dude the guy who is replying to u is consistent 2k4 and even maybe r1 this season

he knows his shit, take his word

[severe helm]

dagger mogs suck

lol

[jolly sierra]

well, go somewhere else and hire another good outlaw to coach u then, u are wasting time here xd

[vocal ginkgo]

I love his vids

[severe helm]

prob best thing is to watch streamers play it

[molten hedge]

It’s very digestible and a fantastic way to do content. I comprehend better when reading the slide then seeing versus them talking and doing at the same time

[severe helm]

a lot of them do coaching as well but its usually pretty expensive

[molten hedge]

I have SkillCapped and need to take advantage of the vod review service. Nahj would probably be the one to review it lmao since he’s the rogue guy for them

[severe helm]

oh yeah skillcapped is a great resource

[vocal ginkgo]

same, I always get lost lol

finding his vids after switching to assassination was awesome, felt the improvement right away

[molten hedge]

Yeah it’s hard to follow. I love when Pikaboo rattles off a “this looks like an alt z, control 9, F, shift 3 situation 🤣

But as great as pika is, it doesn’t help when you call out what you’re pressing. I need to know the who, what, when, where, why

[jolly sierra]

pikaboo is a very good player but a very bad instructor ngl

he is more for entertainment

[severe helm]

Yeah I think its cuz he never consciously learned it

hes played from such a young age

its just all intuitive to him

[jolly sierra]

he just plays for himself, that is it

its like "ye, idk how i did this but it works so lol"

[safe pelican]

lol i have it too and ion use it

[molten hedge]

Yeah I’m realizing a lot of them can’t explain exactly why they do it in the moment. Maybe in a vod afterwords they can make sense of it. But also just how hard it is to play the game and keep up with stream and focus is a feat in itself

[severe helm]

subs a tough one too cuz it relies really heavily on your teammates knowing what a setup should look like

[jaunty osprey]

that's the rough part about sub and outlaw - you rely on your teammates on capitalizing on your setups

[languid ravine]

every time I m starting to have fun in WoW other players happen to remind me that they exist

[jaunty osprey]

D:

[candid tide]

guys go on arcane or fmage?

[jaunty osprey]

frost mage!!

[candid tide]

arcane more squishy right

aiii fmage it is

[jaunty osprey]

arcane is a lot squishier and has to try so much harder to do damage

[candid tide]

go arcane then

[languid ravine]

ya fmage is goated very rewarding, easy to play but with an endless skill horizon

[torn canopy]

what's the loss having a sword as an off hand with outlaw, like it as a mog kinda xD

[halcyon timber]

Do what you want man

[jaunty osprey]

less poison procs

with a sword

[severe helm]

for the target as a rogue? Arcane feels easier to kill imo

frost has a lot more annoying roots that ignore dr

arcane lost a lot of mobility from DF

[candid tide]

yeah arcane better i noticed

[severe helm]

and they require more casting to do damage than frost does

so you can shut them down harder

as outlaw though mage feels like the best kill target out there

so I would still go frost mage over p much any other non-mage spec haha

[languid ravine]

DH opener: "The hunt" on my ass on first GCD
My spell reflect: "Elemental focus lens"
trash game

[vocal surge]

F XD

[jolly sierra]

do u remember when in earlier shadowlands NF DHs were able to 1 shot w the hunt? lol