Reminds me of BM Hunter opponents summoning their 20th pet
#pvp
vocal surge
orchid plinth
I wonder if we will see some bullshit like BDK in AWC this weekend 
Trillprot, Mesblood
Or just BM hunters all over the place...
severe helm
I wonder if we will see some bullshit like BDK in AWC this weekend <:2ez:5879822...
god I hope not
ember elbow
any tips for doing dmg in 3s as assa? im trying to maintain at least 2 targets fully doted at all times but i just do 0 dmg
gray dune
you wont get to fully maintain them on 2 targets tbh
candid tide
does this improve anything?
severe helm
isnt that the thing that just auto targets whatever youre facing
lime oar
That COULD be useful in theory until it switches targets when the healer or off tgt comes into ur view and screws ur burst
severe helm
yeah way more downsides than upsides
use arena targeting hotkeys
anything else is troll lol
lime oar
I bet theres still some freakazoid 2.4k player using it though
candid tide
yep its bad
earnest forge
anyone watching awc?
candid tide
oh its on?
potent pivot
today is the Gauntlet ye
earnest forge
I just tuned in
candid tide
ai les go
earnest forge
that dmg
blissful peak
which big gem do you all use?
potent pivot
-5% damage while stunned
lusty epoch
Yes sir 🙂
vocal surge
Got any clips so we can see what you're doing wrong and just examine what needs to change?
spring bough
How’s rateds been
lusty epoch
Got any clips so we can see what you're doing wrong and just examine what needs ...
I will record something tmrw 🙂
stoic spruce
Ngl I woke up and read "he" and it made me mad lol
Like who the FUCK is he?
Not a morning person as you can see
dim dagger
damn iltu did a run back through ther whole guantlet
safe pelican
What’s this event for this time i gotta try to get sure Mountain Dew stuff before I go home out rn
severe helm
you can keybind "/target arena1" essentially
safe pelican
I want the Frost drake from the current event but they want a shit load of tokens
severe helm
so you can have a bind to target 1, 2 or 3
I use mousewheel up, mid mouse click, and mousewheel down
so its really easy to swap between all the targets
severe helm
I think it might have been unintentional haha
potent pivot
potent pivot
What’s this event for this time i gotta try to get sure Mountain Dew stuff befor...
5pm EST on Emerald Dream caverns of time
i guess these two guys are gonna show up, there's supposed to be rewards but they didn't say what
people going ham
sudden trout
bypassing filter isn't cool
That’s wild
potent pivot
That’s wild
them's the rules
lime oar
Can I make a trial character on emerald dream to do this event lol
potent pivot
That was my phone autocorrect man…
a warning isn't a huge deal
potent pivot
if you typed the word properly and got filtered, it'd be on your record lol
stoic spruce
My perfect record
I've been on thin ice for a long time, I wouldn't worry.
lime oar
All outlaws are on thin ice tbh
stoic spruce
Acherus is waiting for a reason
severe helm
All outlaws are on thin ice tbh
hey now
potent pivot
yeah pretty sure it's already over
lime oar
apparently theyre just tossing out codes randomly and only in raid chat, so this event was only for 40 ppl?
potent pivot
you had to get invited to their raid group
lime oar
wtf were they thinking
potent pivot
they're giving out letters with codes on them
the event is from mountain dew not blizzard
still kinda crap though
halcyon timber
spring bough
I've been on thin ice for a long time, I wouldn't worry.
Same lmao
Ima bum. Just upgraded my second account to TWW. Gonna level an outlaw from 70 and get this emerald dream perk too 😂
Or not looks like the events over 💀
vocal surge
F
potent pivot
Or not looks like the events over 💀
it was kinda bad yep
lime oar
It would be fine if they advertised it as such
potent pivot
they only gave out 100 point codes afaik so its whatever tbh
lime oar
potent pivot
600
languid ravine
bad reps never been cheaper
candid tide
wth i put glad gear on vs aspirant gaer and they both result in the same amount of versa and haste
spring bough
just found out i cant que timewalk for 24 hours after boosting a char lmao
whats the fastest way then to level since random DF dungeons gives 2k xp its stupid lol
languid ravine
the fastest way is paying 100 people to teleport you around the world to instantly do a ton of quests for you
spring bough
the fastest way is paying 100 people to teleport you around the world to instant...
thats SOD lmao
guess i gott DF campaign it... RIP
potent pivot
whats the fastest way then to level since random DF dungeons gives 2k xp its stu...
Cata chromie time
If you boosted to 70 you can do TWW dungeons and quests
spring bough
If you boosted to 70 you can do TWW dungeons and quests
boosted to 70 so cant que timewalk for 24 hours and DF dungeons give 6k xp and heroic gives 2k lol\
potent pivot
You should be able to queue the war within dungeons
That’s how everyone leveled from 70 when the expansion started
You might have to just do the war within intro quests
To unlock them on a new account
Idk how that works since your new acc should be under the same warband
You did make the acc under the same bnet.. right?
zealous sand
I feel like im doing kinda low dmg sometimes in shuffle as outlaw, is there any outlaw for dummies s1 war within out there?
spring bough
You did make the acc under the same bnet.. right?
cant do it under the same bnet email has to be a seperate one lol
potent pivot
cant do it under the same bnet email has to be a seperate one lol
Are the accounts linked though
spring bough
can i link two emails?
im on my og 20 year old account, the one vaanncleef is on is newer but that accts suspended till thursday lmao
spring bough
i have 2 under the one email, but the ones banned and the other suspended. didnt think i could make one during that lol
potent pivot
You’re so cooked
Either way to get back to the matter at hand
Do TWW intro quests and queue TWW dungeons
You’re going to have to do the Campaign anyway in order to see world quests
spring bough
You’re so cooked
been cooked. but yeah doing TWW stuff now lol
this rogues so bare bones..... 6/102 armor mogs and 0 artifact wep mogs lol
jaunty osprey
You should be able to have multiple WoW accounts under 1 bnet afaik
ye
and suspensions only affect that 1 wow license not the bnet
spring bough
and suspensions only affect that 1 wow license not the bnet
they cancel the sub tho... thought the bnet account was done for 10 days... well whatever at this point lol
potent pivot
they cancel the sub tho... thought the bnet account was done for 10 days... well...
Ye you start a new sub on the new wow acc
lime oar
wheres the sub build ppl were using with no subterfuge?
potent pivot
You still have to buy the expansion and start a new sub
potent pivot
wheres the sub build ppl were using with no subterfuge?
Just look at murlok.io
dim dagger
oh the blood dk krangle
potent pivot
Blood dk bouta win the finals
(This isn’t the finals yet)
Now way trill just popped literally everything
harsh kiln
why would he open though
potent pivot
Outlaw sucks 
potent pivot
why would he open though
Because they don’t want dampening like Kalvs team was waiting for
harsh kiln
no but they were'nt behind the way they were playing it
he could've waited a bit longer
an well placed icewall at teh start would've sealed the deal earlier, imagine
harsh kiln
agree
halcyon timber
Popo are you here?
Ive got an idea. Cook a lasagna Inside of a garlic bread. Would make millions.
harsh kiln
calvish trinkets offensive:<
jaunty osprey
Something’s been off with liquid this season
ya, cdew is the passive aggressive king
potent pivot
Idk how Trill and Mes put up w him
yeah idk i feel like cdew and venruki are both the a-holes of pvp
always complaining about certain classes
and the boy Kalv takes it home
severe helm
yeah idk i feel like cdew and venruki are both the a-holes of pvp
waaaat
potent pivot
harsh kiln
how can you not like mes
harsh kiln
that's another thing entirely
potent pivot
mes is one of the nicest people you'll ever talk to
we're not going to sit here calling people bad
severe helm
he puts it on but I dont like his takes
also playing blood dk
bad person alert
ven being the asshole of pvp is wild
out of all the other toxic pvp players
undone snow
If I have access to rashanan mythic back is it better than a vers mast back as sin rogue ? Do we ever take more than 25% I’m afraid it will never proc
severe helm
have you watched any rmp streamers?
potent pivot
it's not about toxicity
it's about complaining about classes (that just so happen to not be your classes) on twitter until the devs nerf them multiple times
potent pivot
but then they cry when their classes get nerfed when they are OP
severe helm
but I dont see a problem with complaining about what you think is unbalanced
potent pivot
it's just hypocritical takes
jaunty osprey
Ven and Cdew are complainers
it isnt wrong
at all
lmao
A lot of people dont like Ven especially
severe helm
yeah cuz theyre abusing some op spec
and he complains about it
like rets in s2
on the FATTEST copium
jaunty osprey
He claims rogue is op and every time he plays rogue and plays hundreds of games and stuck 2100 shuf
potent pivot
some things are fine to complain about
severe helm
and borderline ruined the pvp season
severe helm
He claims rogue is op and every time he plays rogue and plays hundreds of games ...
Rogue can be OP and hard to play
potent pivot
but complaining constantly about certain classes CC until they get nerfed, then they complain about how all CC is too nerfed
severe helm
I think thats the best kind of OP
potent pivot
like it's just hypocritical
severe helm
if something is OP but hard to play so people dont end up FOTMing it then its fine
like arcane being insanely good in DF
it didnt matter
cuz no one could play it that well except like kubzy
jaunty osprey
He is the one big streamer who was most vocal about kidney cd
and didnt complain about mail
make it make sense
maim*
harsh kiln
Both cdew and ven pulled that cart together
severe helm
I mean rogue has been OP but I still think the kidney nerf was hitting the wrong part of the problem
spammable cheap still seems like the most out of place thing about rogue cc
micro cc is toxic
would love to see how the game changed if instead of getting 3 DRs, you were immune after 2
I think it would feel better
prob would have been healthier than the cc nerf they did across the board
candid tide
like freak every class has a kidney shot rn wth
smoky garnet
Question for you all. Would I be crazy to drop Night Elf go Void Elf for my rogue? I use meld specifically to re stealth, but as assassin it usually doesn’t work and I’m in combat still. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I’m behind a pillar and it just doesn’t work. I’d be Velf basically for RP / looks lol. I just don’t know if it’s gonna be that much of a difference. For reference, I’m 2200 and almost exclusively play SS. Am I crazy to swap?
candid tide
void elf has nothing for rog iirc
halcyon timber
like freak every class has a kidney shot rn wth
Quells the belly aching
Of other classes
severe helm
I would try to fix your meld issue
It should work just about 100% of the time
Get a meld macro
candid tide
the cc nerf was needed because casters couldnt even survive with precog bak in df
smoky garnet
Get a meld macro
I didn’t know there was a meld macro
halcyon timber
VE being changed to increase damage by 5% and their rift port being increased to 35 yards is slick
Devs also said in an interview they are looking at the stronger racials to be changed as well, just not in the middle of the season
jaunty osprey
Meld to restealth does not work 100% of the time
it definitely does bug because of the deathstalker combat thing
I know Pika and Trill experience the same issue a lot
But sometimes it isnt just because deathstalker cause it happens when they’re playing outlaw or pika feral as well
But it does work 90% of the time
potent pivot
i think meld is also just bugged in some way
outer sky
Did outlaw get buffed? Ive been seeing them everywhere
fleet kelp
is 2 or 4 set better for sub rogue?
potent pivot
probably stay 2set if you're only playing sub
4set isn't terrible if you're playing other specs too
severe helm
Devs also said in an interview they are looking at the stronger racials to be ch...
That's a pve change
The buffs are pretty abysmal for pvp
jaunty osprey
Outlaw is rly good at higher ratings cause of the support it has with cross CC, dmg amp in stuns etc
at lower ratings with meh teammates, wont be able to full capitalize on its strengths
halcyon timber
That's a pve change
across the board no?
fleet kelp
4set isn't terrible if you're playing other specs too
okay thank you 😄
severe helm
across the board no?
Yeah I mean they're buffing specs for their pve relevance
So they aren't designing around pvp
At least they didn't seem significant for pvp at all
They have a list for the changes
halcyon timber
well they aren't going to make someone half life someone out of no where
5% is meaningful to those who decide to do it. They can choose for themselves in the end of the day. If they are having fun and doing well at it then so be it.
fleet kelp
what embellishments do you guys recommend for sub? Duskthread lining or elemental focusing lens?
potent pivot
probably just go lens
turbid dawn
probably just go lens
Assa too?
potent pivot
Vers Mast or crit?
vers/mast and 4set
using the crit conquest daggers you get from the 2500conq achievement is fine
craft vers/mast daggers as the very last thing you do for gearing
broken tide
Same for gems?
outer briar
Any recommended YouTube guides for assa?
wet crown
If my goal is to just do blitz to 1800 and peace out, what spec would probably be best to go with?
stoic spruce
Assa
potent pivot
If my goal is to just do blitz to 1800 and peace out, what spec would probably b...
whatever spec you like most
stoic spruce
Assa
potent pivot
and are most familiar with
wet crown
I'm familiar with all of them, with the caveat that I have the least PVP xp as outlaw
potent pivot
play whatever you're best at pvping on
unless you want to get better with a different spec
stoic spruce
You can pick up assa in 20 minutes
potent pivot
You can pick up assa in 20 minutes
that's an opinion homie
wet crown
I was leaning assa just because I feel like sometimes if you don't get the kill on sub you just do tank damage for like 30s
stoic spruce
Okay 25
potent pivot
I was leaning assa just because I feel like sometimes if you don't get the kill ...
sub is really good in blitz, all 3 specs are really
but sub also has Duel
wet crown
but I haven't played sub since we had shadowdust so IDK what changed since.
stoic spruce
Sub also gets harassed by me
wet crown
How much gear -should- I have before stepping in? I got the mythic vers boe ring and some mythic tier pieces, but otherwise only aspirant gear that'd probably be of use in pvp.
potent pivot
but I haven't played sub since we had shadowdust so IDK what changed since.
it's mostly the same rotationally, we just play Flag now
stoic spruce
The r word >.>
potent pivot
How much gear -should- I have before stepping in? I got the mythic vers boe ring...
i'd get some bloody token gear. you can get it quickly
wet crown
aight.
stoic spruce
And the set looks nice too so that's good
stoic spruce
I still need to get the dk set
wet crown
I think the dk set is the worst one
stoic spruce
It's sick on undead
potent pivot
idk they all have 6 recolors
stoic spruce
Dk set reminds me of this character
potent pivot
the hunter one looks like dragonflight wpvp gear
it's this i think
the shaman set is also kinda meh imo
stoic spruce
Battle of Dazar alor vibes
safe pelican
That reminds me i need to go get the boots for battle of daz
inner tartan
do people even run bots for this XD
potent pivot
do people even run bots for this XD
melding shit isn't that hard lol
inner tartan
that aswell kinda confused thou it isnt realy a big issue 2 me in low cr cuz they just spam it at bad times any way
low cr alt games are fun made a lock mad yesterday cuz i quess he wasnt used to be cced
molten hedge
How many gear changes do I need to make if switching from Assa to sub? Maybe drop 4 set for more vers/mast wpvp gear or crafted?
potent pivot
How many gear changes do I need to make if switching from Assa to sub? Maybe dro...
can just play it in the same gear really
molten hedge
Any major changes
potent pivot
nah same everything is fine
molten hedge
Ok. I’m having fun on sub lol it’s a lot of cc and one shotting in duel is fun
Wish I had played it when it had shadowdust #sadgeday
potent pivot
it was harder to play it optimally
molten hedge
For real? Why’s that
Also didn’t u say deeper daggers is better than dark brew? I was just copying kalvs build and he played brew
potent pivot
Also didn’t u say deeper daggers is better than dark brew? I was just copying ka...
Personally I think it’s better yeah
Dark brew is good if you run replicating shadows because it buffs rupture damage
The shadow damage of your evis does quite a bit less than the physical
potent pivot
For real? Why’s that
Because you could double vanish in so many different situations, it kinda takes a skilled player to see how many use cases it had
You could double vanish for offensive or defensive control
Having CDR tied to 1 button like that can be used in so many different ways
It’s not the same as having running CDR on based on combo points
worthy crag
Did kalv seriously play sub in the gauntlet lmao
molten hedge
Yes he kicked ass too lol
molten hedge
You could double vanish for offensive or defensive control
id still rather have cdr on everything than not have cdr on everything LMAO
potent pivot
Yes he kicked ass too lol
There was one match where they really should’ve lost
molten hedge
im finding that when i duel sometimes im not getting kills. how much of my rotation should i have done beffore i duel? like pop blades, have rupture, flag, tech. what about tea symbols badge?
potent pivot
They over committed literally everything and didn’t get a kill out of it, it was kind of a bad play
molten hedge
like maybe pop all that then kidney duel and spam strikes/cheaps and evis's?
potent pivot
it can be kinda situational, similar to bomb
molten hedge
Yeah but like I feel like half the duel is over by the time I pop my stuff lol
potent pivot
you shouldn't be using it immediately lol
molten hedge
For burst I’ve been blades>strike>flag>rupture>dance> cheap>evis>strike>tech>badge/tea/symbols>cheap>evis>cheap>evis
Does that sounds horrible or
potent pivot
For burst I’ve been blades>strike>flag>rupture>dance> cheap>evis>strike>tech>bad...
why are you casting blades before your first strike
everything else seems ok
tepid peak
and what about deeper stratagem (extra cp) for kingsbane build instead of supercharger?
or supercharger must have if u go for kingsbane
potent pivot
deeper is fine to take if you want, that's what most people use
a couple others and i think that supercharger is better
tepid peak
got u, tnx
molten hedge
why are you casting blades before your first strike
I…don’t know LMAO
potent pivot
I…don’t know LMAO
yeh you can blades after the rupture
gives you a couple more GCDs of Flag+Blades while Flag is max stacks as well
jaunty osprey
a couple others and i think that supercharger is better
:pppppppppppp
and im the only one in the world that doesnt play tea
xdxd
potent pivot
tea's a hard one to give up
jaunty osprey
ya i understand
people just think pvp is use every global on mutilate and drain ur energy
when it's so much more important to send damage on goes
potent pivot
is there actually assa rogues that still press mutilate
wet crown
What are some assassination openers to practice with and without deathmark?
jaunty osprey
i would say to switch to symbolic victory
instead of lingering darkness
for your hero talent
you arent even running kingsbane
so your only nature damage is envenom
so you're only getting 30% extra envenom damage every 2 mins
as opposed to every time you shiv you get 18%
indigo lava
How to manage my energy for entire game?
potent pivot
and poisons
jaunty osprey
^^^^
potent pivot
another reason fan of knives is important
jaunty osprey
every time you crit with fan
you apply poisons
and it has a chance of applying without crits too
so make sure you have wound on 2 targets and bleeds on 2 targets
potent pivot
he's spamming mutilate
that's wild
jaunty osprey
r u watching this
indigo lava
And About the stats?
potent pivot
And About the stats?
your gear is fine
potent pivot
r u watching this
i'm on preroll ads
jaunty osprey
@indigo lava if you're not playing kingsbane
play insignia trinket
instead of badge
you will have 50-60% uptime on it
potent pivot
if you can't get conquest insig i think staying conq badge is better than honor insig
potent pivot
r u watching this
do you know what addon he's using for DRs on plates? the only thing i've been able to find that works is a shit WA
indigo lava
Its buged , its 1.6k leg token thats heroic
potent pivot
what ilvl are they
indigo lava
639
jaunty osprey
are you sure?
indigo lava
Yes
jaunty osprey
no
you bought the wrong one
i just checked
your item is on the hero track
not champion track
it isnt the pvp one
you need to buy new pants and catalyst it
potent pivot
diminish
oh i guess they updated it sick. first few weeks of the expansion it was broken
jaunty osprey
oh shit
potent pivot
the "updated by Jaesa" version
jaunty osprey
i havent updated shit in a while
potent pivot
not a huge deal, just gotta fix it
indigo lava
not a huge deal, just gotta fix it
Do you think of second dagger?
potent pivot
another dagger will barely make a difference
indigo lava
What do you prefer for the next one ? Ofc i have to switch my leg at first
indigo lava
Thanks🙏
indigo lava
i just send it for more pressure after a shiv
usually you use it as an opener to force them with it to spend their CD's?
hybrid vessel
any changes on sub in pvp?
still fine to play both hero talents?
i see most on murlok are deathstalker in blitz
languid ravine
I got blamed for this loss for 5minutes straight, starting at minute 0:00 and until 1 minute after the game was over 
because I joined the zerg as a "you are rogue"
hybrid vessel
all the guides on youtube are like 1 or 2 months old
so i dunno if stuff changed 😛 got the feel for trickster but if deathstalker is sposed to be better i may aswell learn
gusty hedge
Question for you all. Would I be crazy to drop Night Elf go Void Elf for my rogu...
wouldnt rec dropping but if u prefer it more, than thats a solid choice. racial buffed next patch, Been testing one on ptr and it has nice mobility (outlaw spec) void rift gonna come in clutch 100%
i have a void rogue myself @70 from DF, waiting on patch to lvl em
fleet kelp
Do I lose out on a lot of dmg not running double daggers on sub? I want to use the fist weapon in off hand so I can mog thunderfury
languid ravine
Question for you all. Would I be crazy to drop Night Elf go Void Elf for my rogu...
not crazy, just dumb
gusty hedge
Do I lose out on a lot of dmg not running double daggers on sub? I want to use t...
double dagg ftw. its a loss , faster weaps more procs (poison eetc)
gusty hedge
not crazy, just dumb
Nelf bis for rogue, but def not dumb choice 
languid ravine
try this macro if you have problem restealth works pretty much always
Flashbang warning
#showtooltip Schattenmimik
/stopattack
/use !Verstohlenheit
/stopattack
/use Schattenmimik
/stopattack
/use [nocombat] !Verstohlenheit
/stopattack
/use [combat] Schattenmimik
/stopattack
/use [combat] !Verstohlenheit
gotta use spell id or match ability name to your clients language
fleet kelp
Is deathstalker or trickster better for sub?
languid ravine
deathstalker
safe pelican
IT IS TIME YOU DIRTY MOTHER TRUCKSTOPS
Race Change on the belf and copping the Bruto saur today
Need that mtn dew bike who got the codes 🦦
earnest forge
what
stoic spruce
WHO GOT THE CODES
languid ravine
I m like 8-2 today and ALL of the rounds were stupidumbaf
and some guy tried to convince everyone that ignore flag + 2 bases is a good strat after enemy team gets a free flag and 1 base lmao
candid tide
they just blindly zerg everytime idg it
at a point u gotta start to think out the box or some
languid ravine
I wish people in my games would zerg but they just run away from enemy team while I cc their healer for 20 seconds (real 20 seconds)
candid tide
awareness is def the issue at hand
spring bough
#showtooltip shadowmeld
/stopattack
/use [combat] Shadowmeld
/use [nocombat] !Stealth
best meld macro out there
this ones gotten me more restealths than my old one lol
waxen meteor
Started a new rogue alt, tried to farm some conquest in blitz, not a good idea
in the dead brain pool again
then joined a random 3s team and almost did 10-0 with war/sin/hpal combo lol
spring bough
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> Started a new rogue alt, tried to farm some conq...
i have to do random bgs to get honor before i can que later..... this gonna be a grind lol
waxen meteor
i have to do random bgs to get honor before i can que later..... this gonna be a...
I think doing arena is better than random bg
spring bough
yeah im gonna do some 2s in greens lmao
waxen meteor
i did blitz mainly because we got the weekly for both random/blitz
and you can finish both by blitz
spring bough
cant decide if i wanna do haste/verse on this outlaw or do haste till 10% then mastery/verse
gusty hedge
Need that mtn dew bike who got the codes 🦦
got 7k points
gusty hedge
I think doing arena is better than random bg
wpvp cache(min bloody coin since nerf) Bgb/comp stomp For honor grind(vicious flask makes this nice)
safe pelican
got 7k points <a:venthyr:761033570277916682>
Points sounds like codes that have already been redeemed sir 😐
I got yet ANOTHER deserter penalty for blitz lost 200 rating lmaoo fuck me i never even accepted queue i think i fell asleep in queue how can i get a deserter penalty for that absolutely livid time to scrap this rogue and start over fr fr
I’m at 99 games 😂
languid ravine
cant wait for Jsonjrjrtwo and Jsonjrjrthethirdjr
jaunty osprey
<@113813700237852677> are you running super charge or cold blood kb now
supercharger
waxen meteor
supercharger
without tea?
jaunty osprey
ya, but u can play with tea
waxen meteor
i feel more comfortable with tea and 6cp tbh
jaunty osprey
i personally dont think it's worth it to take tea
like forced induction is too good if u're gonna play supercharger
i mean i get 6 cp no matter what
i have sanguine stratagem on the right side
waxen meteor
could you take a quick screenshot of talent
jaunty osprey
waxen meteor
i am away from game laptop
waxen meteor
nice, almost exactly the same
Just this diff
you think the additional 5% slow is important?
jaunty osprey
people like to say that they feel like deeper strat is better, but i have yet to understand why cause with forced and supercharger, your 2 finishers after shiv act as +3
waxen meteor
or doesn't really matter?
jaunty osprey
how often are you spamming finishers
without this envenom build
like you're just putting your bleeds up
in pvp you dont ever have 100% uptime
crude lintel
Why no thistle tea?
jaunty osprey
how often are you ambushing?
if you're spending your subterfuge ambushing
you're doing it wrong
waxen meteor
not a lot, but the 7% finisher on 25 energy is really low
waxen meteor
for 35s you get more like 1.5
jaunty osprey
you press ambush once
in your subterfuge window
that's it
you have to put out as many garrotes as you can
in your imporved garrote window
anyway
waxen meteor
maybe, but amush after reset or open with 2 cp actually allows me to finish much quicker
that's true
jaunty osprey
imp garrote gives 3
waxen meteor
that's true
jaunty osprey
opener is cheapshot ambush garrote rupture
waxen meteor
one thing is that, if we open with CS+garrote+amush regardless of seq against melee/caster
If we have amush with cp+1
This is 5cp vs 6cp diff
jaunty osprey
that's 1 cp + 2 cp + 3 cp + finisher
that's perfect
amount of CP
no overcapping
you're calculating wrong
ambush gives 2 baseline
you get 6 cp no matter what on the opener
i thought it was 1 as baseline
jaunty osprey
ya do u see why it's not really needed
waxen meteor
with 7 cp, probably it's better
waxen meteor
so you keep stacking garrot?
waxen meteor
i think my main point is that the finisher saving of 7% is just 1 energy - 1.5 a time...
jaunty osprey
you're saving 6% energy over EVERY finisher for the whole arena match
waxen meteor
it doesn't add up too much
waxen meteor
over 1 combo point ONE time
what u mean here
jaunty osprey
YOU ONLY PRESS AMBUSH ONCE
waxen meteor
over 1cp one time?
waxen meteor
oh i see
jaunty osprey
IT IS NEVER WORTH IT
EVER
caps lock whoops
please dont underestimate the value of 6% energy on every finisher
waxen meteor
i am currently using ambush over keep garroting in improved garrot window, especially in second/third reset
jaunty osprey
you say it's 2 energy here, 2 energy there
but
how many times do you wish you had
a bit more energy
to do smth
waxen meteor
similar logic, it saves like in average 1.5 energy per finisher, with about 30 finishers to use one more builder
for me, both don't add too much value, just nice to have passing nodes
jaunty osprey
energy matters man
look at sanguine blades
this isnt feelycraft
these are facts
waxen meteor
energy surely matters especially you don't take tea.
i will give it a try
but as i said also as a fact, we are talking about less than 50 energy gain from 30 finishers
jaunty osprey
i mean even with tea
in a typical m+ build
it matters
if you're spamming ambush in subterfuge
you're playing wrong
waxen meteor
i don't, but i do use it in 2nd/3rd reset when i can't garrot others far
for sure i can position myself with better planning
it's just a option for me to build cp a bit faster after resets
when enemy team sorts of split on floor
waxen meteor
i think that's wrong math
languid ravine
maybe
waxen meteor
it allows SB to do two ticks more
languid ravine
yea you right
waxen meteor
that can't be translated into 15% bleed dmg...
i get the man idea
i am not disagreeing with that
i do learn more about ambush
but i don't feel that much difference of the 1.5 energy here and there differences yet
i will try
languid ravine
so garrote ticks 9 times I believe it translates to 1.5% more bleed dps
minus whatever you gain from ambush
waxen meteor
so garrote ticks 9 times I believe it translates to 1.5% more bleed dps
i think mostly likely you will have SB tiking with or without this 1.5 energy return
and from ivan's screenshot, for example above there
I think this is a single game with multiple pets class
so in the whole game, it looks like he did finishers with less than 10 times
that means this talent gave a output of 15 energy whole game
roughly
waxen meteor
I am not sure where it made you dis-comfort
jaunty osprey
feelycraft isnt the way to go
facts are facts
if you think improved ambush is better, go to raidbots.com
and see
waxen meteor
I don't think I insisted at all amush is better, I just feel both nodes are just soso
and I am talking on fact with your data
languid ravine
idk its not as clearcut in pvp when maybe you dont have every gcd available
waxen meteor
when you have real data presented, why simu
waxen meteor
isn't that you now
and you just presented your data
and that's where i am pointing out humbly that this might not make that much diff
from that single talent
jaunty osprey
it makes a big difference, there have been so many scenarios EVEN WHEN IM PLAYING TEA, that i am like 2 energy away from killing someone and i JUST regen enough to kill them
and i wouldve been way more energy down in the match
waxen meteor
ok
jaunty osprey
if i didnt save 30 over my last 10 finishers
you're arguing 1 extra combo point in a match
over continuous saving of energy
waxen meteor
i am not sure why you think i am arguing that ....
jaunty osprey
imp ambush is worse
in every way
possible
you never get to utilize the combo points
in an arena match at all
waxen meteor
i have given up the ambush point since i found out baseline was 2 cp
jaunty osprey
cheapshot -> ambush -> garrote -> rupture
yeah, so what's the issue
tight spender is better
100% of the times
waxen meteor
there's no issue, so i am not really sure why you are getting a bit offensed
safe pelican
waxen meteor
what i am more willing to discuss is that, in a situation where we do 2nd/3rd reset
and i can't connect to other guys
like i am facing lock/mage/priest
and i can't connect to other two, they spaced out the floor well
i feel i can't garrot garrot garrot?
or i shouldnt
jaunty osprey
should never be a situation where you cant connect to double casters, but incase you cant
yes you garrote spam them
you have 3 garrotes till they're full on DR
keep them silenced, why not
waxen meteor
that's more the scenarios i am 'spaming' amush
i normally do only 2 garrots
then use ambush a bit
since i have 12 seconds for garrot
i can use the 2nd garrot a bit lter
jaunty osprey
ambush
waxen meteor
but i could be doing it wrong
jaunty osprey
is a lower prio
than mutilate
mutilate can crit and give you 4 cp
in no situation other than applying your mark
do you ambush
mutilate is better in every way
and if you're near 2 targets, you fan of knives
waxen meteor
this is where the difference of nodes kick in.
amush = 3cp baseline + possible crt
mut = 2cp baseline + possible1/2 when crit
waxen meteor
i think with near 2 targets, we surely don't use either one (mut or ambush)
jaunty osprey
it costs 50 energy
the reason
why
you garrote
is because this is pvp
no one is ever standing still
you silence them
nonstop
and ensure
that your bleeds are pandemiced for as long as possible
waxen meteor
wait, here is a question maybe i never figured out
let's say this
i open a lock with 2 garrot
does system add the 3+1.5
or 1.5 will replace the 3
jaunty osprey
if your remaining bleeds on a target are longer/refreshed, it has a higher chance of guaranteeing a proc of sudden demise at 10%
waxen meteor
for slicence duration, just in theory
jaunty osprey
the thing is
and i've typed it before
why are you opening with 2 garrotes
CHEAPSHOT
AMBUSH
GARROTE
RUPTURE
waxen meteor
it's just for easy communication
jaunty osprey
let's say
you garrote for 3
and u garrote again
the 3 seconds will stay
but the second
it hits 1.5
the NEW garrote will overrite it if you cast it
at that point
like u can see this if u spam cheap shot a target
waxen meteor
ok, that's the real question
jaunty osprey
the cheap shot wont be applied until
jaunty osprey
the new debuff is longer than the previous
waxen meteor
what about the duration
jaunty osprey
typical diminishing returns still apply
the thing about openers
is that you should be spending those 12 seconds
spreading your garrotes on diff targets
so let's say you sap healer
SAP HEALER -> cheapshot kill target -> ambush kill target -> garrote kill target -> rupture kill target -> RESAP HEALER -> garrote healer + kill target -> kidney healer
is typically what i do, every match if they're stacking or close to each other
if not, i still cheap ambush garrote rupture and then i garrote enemy healer twice and then kidney them into a blind
for shuffles
for shuffles, important to try to force cds from enemy healer as soon as possible
and in this scenario, you've cc'd them for over 15 seconds without sending cds
waxen meteor
yes, that's basically exactly what i am doing.
i was more just trying to figure out in theory how spamming garrot means in cc, because i normally don't use it more than twice
waxen meteor
have what?
jaunty osprey
garrotes
waxen meteor
yeah for usre
jaunty osprey
because
if you're only pressing it twice
then
you're doing something wrong
2 targets NEED rupture and garrote on them
- wound poison
your job is to cleave/create pressure
waxen meteor
yeah that's fine, i think we are on same page
myabe just communication
But one more thing, if we swap target do you re-ambush to move mark on new target?
jaunty osprey
i will never waste a vanish or meld on it
no
but make sure you never have it on healer
so singular focus doesnt break cc
gray dune
If I'm gearing an alt, what's gonna be the best way to grind conquest? I have the honor on my main atleast and some of the tokens
waxen meteor
If I'm gearing an alt, what's gonna be the best way to grind conquest? I have th...
I just did that lol
I recommend you to finish weekly first this week, you can do blitz for first 1500
spring bough
feels like half these campaign quests are all cut scenes lol
waxen meteor
And grab both reward first
Then what I found extremely sufficient is actually world pvp
First blood coin gears are very good you need to upgrade those first
Then the bounty target grants quite a bit conquest and blood coin
And as a rogue you don’t even need to be worried just sit next to it, when target is dead go grab bounty
gray dune
i never did bounties lol, but then again my pvp main is a healer
gray dune
my pve main is a rogue lol
so the alt im gearing for pvp is gonna be my rogue lol, and maybe hunter🤷♀️
hidden moth
we getting conq boxes on tuesday?
waxen meteor
Btw the blood coin boots into tier is great for alt rogue
waxen meteor
Yeah for alt it’s quite good now
Much faster
Blood coin is super nice
We can get almost bis on chest/boot along with main’s almost bis for wrist/cloak/hand/belt
So before we actually start to queue rated, it can be quite ok pvp item level
hidden moth
i jsut want conq boxes to pve gear my fresh 80s
rather do rated for conq and send champ track gear to the alts than go through normal dungeons to do heroics to do m0s to then start baby keys or even worse delves
gray dune
are those the boxes i get for healer ques?
hidden moth
well yes but no
im talking about the chests we had in df
375 conq for it and u can mail ot an alt
opening it gave a random piece of conq pvp gear
gray dune
ohhhhhh
brittle grove
arent we getting those boxes soon?
gray dune
that would be nice lol, cuz im sittin on a good amount of conquest on my main i dont need
safe pelican
anyone know how to get the weak aura button back attached to the mini map if you removed it
safe pelican
i know cant find it lol
hidden moth
gg
safe pelican
theres no settings tab for the actual addon
might be gg
/wa minimap
for anyone else that might have done what i did
safe pelican
Ready to do this multi boxing thing queue times getting a little out of hand and im getting impatient
gray dune
Probably a dumb question, if the item has pvp rating on it but is a tier piece i used in catalyst, which socket item do I need? Like I'm pretty sure i can't get the one from the vault and use it simply because the item in question has pvp rating on it
safe pelican
how does it work i just buy the game again esstially on wow 2?
jaunty osprey
Probably a dumb question, if the item has pvp rating on it but is a tier piece i...
If it’s pvp flagged at all, it’s pvp socket!
jaunty osprey
how does it work i just buy the game again esstially on wow 2?
Ya, and the xpac too
Macros and binds dont copy over, so use myslot addon
gray dune
If it’s pvp flagged at all, it’s pvp socket!
i figured lol
but free helm socket from the vault would have been nice
jaunty osprey
Ya you can get lucky and save a lot of gold if you can get a pve 639 tier
and socket it
maiden cliff
has anyone tried haste/vers trickster outlaw w/supercharger?
safe pelican
Ya, and the xpac too
Copy Ty sucks nothing copies over on same account
molten hedge
@potent pivot are you playing trickster or DS for sub? I like DS more personally
molten hedge
They did?!?!
sick wasp
yup they lost
sick wasp
yeah i am
molten hedge
Is eCho out or not yet
frail knot
Seems like its 50/50 ish trickster vs Ds on murlok, if im a noob rogue, is trickster easier?
sick wasp
but echo trolled hard
molten hedge
I thought DS was like 75% not 50/50 lol
They were nervous prob bc they weren’t prepared. I was watching whaazz and he was like we might war games for iltu. And then they steamrolled everyone and he was like ok we’re going to wargame right now and ended stream
sick wasp
they que'd lock/outlaw into outlaw/boomy presvoker
that boomy was chilling hard
they lost 1st two matches
and que'd outlaw rmp into the same comp and the boomy just incarn'd meh
fukin que regular sub rmp and blast them out of existence
f@ck shake
safe pelican
What time are the AWC matches today
hidden moth
bm is so dumb
wait awc? i thought that ended
legit though just got the bm honor gear and noone can touch me in shuffle
XD
safe pelican
Maybe I’m wrong i thought there were some matches this weekend if im not mistaken and yea Bm got a little nerf not sure if it did anything major
Outlaw mafia
candid tide
dude whazz lost XD
summer ermine
guess who is writing another post about nerfing ele on twitter
spring bough
is there a pre req for the gobs of wax?
halcyon timber
The quest chain by helping the kobolds establish their little gypsy candle shop
I think
molten hedge
ILTU insane
hidden moth
is there a pre req for the gobs of wax?
turn in the quest everyday im snuffling
spring bough
turn in the quest everyday im snuffling
got it figured out and got my sparks done
on my way to decking out this second outlaw lol
molten hedge
lol wtf echo lost to iltu
Apparently they missed every kick on Iltu lol
hidden moth
so i went to do the slands intro and skipped it on my hunter so i can get the undead pet taming book from maldraxxus
found out the homie that meets u and asks "skip campaign" yeah he is bugged wont appear for anyone
then blizz says lol we will look at it fix should be in 11.0.7
JAJAJAJA
any ballers able to summon me to maldraxus KEK
frail knot
@hidden moth learn engi and use the engi toy for a portal there
Only need 1 SL engi and buy toy from ah
Thats what i did atleast 🙂
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> are you playing trickster or DS for sub? I like DS more pe...
Yeah
hidden moth
<@305506273552498690> learn engi and use the engi toy for a portal there
how much waws it
frail knot
Like 1k or some nonsense
hidden moth
whats it claled
upper tree
What makes outlaw so popular right now? The hook? Any other talent?
hidden moth
pirate
potent pivot
Outlaw is only getting popular because it’s good at high rated 3s
It’s a bit more tanky and has CDR
jolly sierra
What makes outlaw so popular right now? The hook? Any other talent?
🅱️irate
jolly sierra
F
tropic mason
theyll just never DC ez
potent pivot
theyll just never DC ez
they just lose anyway
tropic mason
probably lol
wild wigeon
That set was so good
potent pivot
ya
potent pivot
i think prot pal is the 1 tank that takes healer slots in shuffle
not 100% sure i've only ever ran into prot pals and bdk's
potent pivot
been that way for a while afaik
hidden moth
the rogue and monk just running me into the dirt
and heals cant do shit about it
i love seeing this
-100 mmr bc prot pal heals
potent pivot
the other hunter did okay
hidden moth
yeah, i just dunno what to do to cc prot pal
and the sub hit me for a 4 mil secret tech
or well it says 1 cast for 4 mil but 11 hits idk
potent pivot
sec tech cleaves
looks like it does way more than it really does into pet match ups
hidden moth
didnt help that it seemed i didnt get boped but other hunter was
ah
well gg ig
tanks shouldnt be able to que solo arenas but thats just me
jolly sierra
-100 mmr bc prot pal heals
ye protadins matches are the worst overall objectively talking
that is because they are supossed to heal but usually protadins users are inept af
so matches are a fkn joke
hidden moth
my forehead shifted a bit after the match. im developing downs from them
jolly sierra
take a rest
vocal surge
im more curious how you lost that match
hidden moth
5th and 6th round i just afk'd there
jolly sierra
welp
vocal surge
Do you have Tranq shot?
hidden moth
i tranq shoted bops yeah
jolly sierra
that was a little neglectful
hidden moth
nah it was gg bc the prot pal i had the 5th round was the one that didnt bop
jolly sierra
u need to try every round even if u are losing to dampen the MMR
hidden moth
wym dampen
jolly sierra
mitigate
hidden moth
does it give me less mmr loss if i live for 5 years but still lose?
a loss is a loss
jolly sierra
you could lose less
hidden moth
weird that it works that way
potent pivot
is anyone watching awc
jolly sierra
or even getting CR
potent pivot
some weird shit going on today
hidden moth
wasnt that over a month ago?
potent pivot
no?
safe pelican
is anyone watching awc
lol yea
hidden moth
thought pikaboo womn
jolly sierra
for example at ur 1K2 CR u could stlll earn rating with 2 wins or so
potent pivot
the move just pulled in Giantz on a feral that didn't even have keybinds
beause pika's internet has DCed twice now
today has been crazy
first echo loses 0-3 to ILTU
tomorrow is going to pop the fuck off i bet
molten hedge
How did the move do
hidden moth
iltu?
proven field
It's Christmas time, even for pirates
potent pivot
How did the move do
its still going rn
spring bough
2nd outlaw back to 80. Gearing up with haste/mastery/verse this go around for trickster