"Haha"*
#pvp
stoic spruce
proven field
I wish you could ship conquest to alts
gleaming pawn
just gotta fire up a healer
potent pivot
you can
you just have to play a healer to do it 
how much do they actually get
in those boxes or w/e
gleaming pawn
50 conq per
potent pivot
damn that's not bad at all
proven field
I want to make an ally outlaw but this one has been horde since vanilla and dont want to wreck achieves etc
gleaming pawn
yeah it accelerates gearing a lot
potent pivot
I want to make an ally outlaw but this one has been horde since vanilla and dont...
just make a new character
it's so easy to gear
gleaming pawn
they'll also be implementing the random conq piece for conquest boxes once they uncap conq
proven field
I am, but would be nice to just fire the conq I have saved on this one over
gleaming pawn
or at least, that's what they usually do
potent pivot
they'll also be implementing the random conq piece for conquest boxes once they ...
we'll be able to send boxes from dps too
or is that later
severe helm
of different specs yes
proven field
and with ally I would get every box which is endless free conq so I guess would level quick
severe helm
not of same spec
proven field
gear*
severe helm
but different spec alts do count as slots
so if youre r1 in sub and outlaw
it takes a spot in each
potent pivot
ya i know that
gleaming pawn
or is that later
that's should all be at the same time, iirc
potent pivot
since it's a different r1 on the different spec
severe helm
oh 1 bug whaaz might be talking about is that if you press SnD with supercharger it counts the cdr as if you got the extra cps from supercharger but doesnt consume a charge from it
potent pivot
i feel like even when conq is capped we should get boxes to send to alts
like healers do
potent pivot
oh 1 bug whaaz might be talking about is that if you press SnD with supercharger...
naw it isn't that
gleaming pawn
yeah we should
potent pivot
i don't think it's a bug
severe helm
so you can spam snd at 1cp with supercharger and it counts for 4s of cdr as long as you keep proccing 1 cp with ruthlessness
I mean
gleaming pawn
gearing alts should not be so damn painful
potent pivot
just a strat of gameplay
jaunty osprey
he lost 25 mmr on his rogue
severe helm
hahahahaha
jaunty osprey
just earlier
potent pivot
hahahahaha
?
severe helm
that means its a bug
you said its not a bug
lol
if something does what it isnt supposed to as a result of bad coding
potent pivot
you read in the wrong context
severe helm
yeah literally
potent pivot
thats a bug
i'm saying i don't think it's a bug that whaazz was talking about playing around
severe helm
aaaaaaah
potent pivot
he was using his "secret strat" while playing on stream
and he definitely wasn't pressing SnD
jaunty osprey
it doesnt
the top of the ladder
keeps taking points from bigdam and kamahlen's alts
severe helm
he was using his "secret strat" while playing on stream
yeah sometimes he says this and his strat is "bait the trinket on the healer then swap healer" lolol
jaunty osprey
and they farm it back from the 2550 people
severe helm
like sometimes his secrets are very not clever and I think hes just playing it up
curious to know if there is actually something but im doubtful
jaunty osprey
yeah
potent pivot
i just think that's unusual is all
potent pivot
normally EU is like 1-200 CR higher
jaunty osprey
to get 25 points
i still dont know why
not a single other assa rogue is playing FI
severe helm
whats FI?
potent pivot
forced induction
severe helm
ah
jaunty osprey
and DFA too
like we have no other good honour talents
in that lobby
i watched my replay and i dodged 3 lassos and 6 coils
jaunty osprey
it's not an uncommon occurrence tbh
if someone plays it in awc
every1 will switch to it
severe helm
theres like 4 people in the top 50 playing it
so its not like no one is playing it
People are prob just very used to tea
theres so many other things that matter in pvp over a bit more burst
jaunty osprey
we looked it up every day for the past week, it's just me and all my alts and blindsap on eu
severe helm
so sometimes it just doesnt matter
potent pivot
theres like 4 people in the top 50 playing it
2 of those are ivan
severe helm
if you can force cds with your cds
potent pivot
so 2 others
severe helm
it doesnt change much haha
potent pivot
ye i mean the build most people are playing
gleaming pawn
pvpers are so stuck in their ways
potent pivot
that we cooked up for launch
potent pivot
the new build actually using envenom and also kb
1 extra button and slightly more complex i think
jaunty osprey
i never once thought you should drop kb for sbs
potent pivot
the nerf to KB was pretty bad ngl
jaunty osprey
well im still hitting 1m+
potent pivot
especially early season KB felt so piss
compared to DF
sbs does more overall and honestly it just feels nice
to get the combo points
i think KBs better
i can just see why people stick to the simple shit
potent pivot
it does
potent pivot
earlier this season it always did more overall dps than kb
like every time i checked
potent pivot
https://www.twitch.tv/Kamahlen
this man is DIALED
potent pivot
jaunty osprey
he's absolutely insane too every season in shuf and 3s
it's crazy
he doesnt even know his teammate's hp
like wat
severe helm
just goes to show how little it matters for certain specs
you can play like a bot and get pretty far as certain things in this game
potent pivot
he doesnt even know his teammate's hp
he sees when they drop below a certain threshold
proven field
Router has not crashed in 2 years - play SS, win first 3, router dies for 10 minutes
potent pivot
the squares turn orange under a certain threshold
gleaming pawn
Router has not crashed in 2 years - play SS, win first 3, router dies for 10 min...
the Gods of PvP fucking hate you, apparently
potent pivot
then under 40% they turn red and display their health percentage
jaunty osprey
welp
proven field
the Gods of PvP fucking *hate* you, apparently
Dude honestly; I need to give up this rogue
potent pivot
LOL
jaunty osprey
honestly it's a clean ui
you get to see the game
but if he had real party frames
severe helm
but the model files arent the important part
lol
the important part are cds/hp/drs/etc
he dosent even know when he has wall up next
like hes trolling for the memes haha
proven field
Only good thing is they must have killed me quickly - I didn't lose 150, just lost two rounds
jaunty osprey
that's the best
when u dc towards the end
and they kill instead of you getting kicked out
potent pivot
is he using WAs to tell him his rotation
severe helm
doesnt look like it
just playing specs that dont have much of a rotation
he has some highlights it seemed
prob just for very select procs
I mean dev and ele dont have much going on
prob not gona play a spec where you need to track too many debuffs
jaunty osprey
he plays lock too
severe helm
destro?
potent pivot
looks like he mostly plays Demo
severe helm
ah
demo seems like it would be harder than destro
but affi seems impossible with that ui
severe helm
hes allergic to numbers ive heard
jaunty osprey
it actually looks insane
potent pivot
gliding into other dimensions
severe helm
doesnt seem like it
potent pivot
that's fucking insane
potent pivot
i swear i didn't see a single cast bar in that last match
but i didn't realize and start paying attention for it until the last ~20 seconds
lucid citrus
how does he know when to kick? lol
jaunty osprey
maybe there is an indicator somewhere that they're casting
not a cast bar
oh yeah
there is
i think it's that blue thing
which shows which arena1-3 is casting
potent pivot
so he prolly has a WA that tells him when they're casting very specific abilities
potent pivot
this might be my new favourite streamer tbh
yeah i've actually been chillin back watching it lmao
jaunty osprey
the vod from our shuffle
he actually has really good insight/commentary
seems like a nice guy
potent pivot
he actually has really good insight/commentary
yeah the commentary is dope
"i want to try to make them stack so my assa rogue can do illegal things to them"
jaunty osprey
ILLEGAL
damn watching that back
i fucked up the 1 round loss
DRd my stun and garrote really badly on opener
proven field
This sociopath has been PMing me for 5 min straight now - just keeps on going lol
potent pivot
This sociopath has been PMing me for 5 min straight now - just keeps on going lo...
wtf even is that
an auto reply addon?
jaunty osprey
LOL
proven field
He's still going
gleaming pawn
Fucking Moonguard RPers
A good chunk of them are as bad as Ragnaros and Azralon players on NA
potent pivot
A good chunk of them are as bad as Ragnaros and Azralon players on NA
Rag/Az have good players too
just like any other server
proven field
trickster pirate in combat; about right?
stoic spruce
trickster itself isn't right
Hater
proven field
jaunty osprey
LOL
potent pivot
i think it's partly cooked
severe helm
It could be like a "right now specifically" statement maybe?
potent pivot
idk
potent pivot
i think him saying that echo MIGHT get top 8 in NA is cooked
other than that i think he's mostly right
potent pivot
ami i crazy to try sub rn lmao
nah, sub is still viable
molten hedge
nah, sub is still viable
i mostly play shuffle. you may remember i main assa. it seems like according to murlok assa is doing better rn in shuffle
potent pivot
it isn't straight crushing people's skulls in anymore, but it's not bad
molten hedge
is that just bc the OG subs are too upset to play it rn
molten hedge
i wonder how long until blizz buffs it again
potent pivot
Lol
Probably never
If something is viable it’s usually left alone
They’d rather nerf the overperformers
molten hedge
yea. ive only played this game 2 seasons but i remember hearing of ret being broken then last season was dh/boomie now bm/feral/etc. so it seems like everything has its time in the spotlight lol
i rather be in Assa position where its A tier and doesnt get nerfed to the ground lmao
potent pivot
Well feral got nerfed and so did BM a day or so ago
molten hedge
yeah saw that
potent pivot
Now ret is prolly the most represented dps in the game
molten hedge
ret and hpala meta perfect for assa :/
potent pivot
Yeah idk what the people who handle tuning have going on in their brains
molten hedge
its tough out here for assa mains. deathmark is some ass
potent pivot
Holy priest has been in the dumpster all season
molten hedge
ive never played sub but im kinda deleting kids in wpvp lmao i have no idea what im doing i just hit every cd and spam cheap and evisc lol
radiant glen
i think him saying that echo MIGHT get top 8 in NA is cooked
watching a lot of saul recently i think this is just him farming kekw and not a real take ngl
a bit of sarcasm and memes
potent pivot
ive never played sub but im kinda deleting kids in wpvp lmao i have no idea what...
Yeah sub is always a great time in wpvp
orchid plinth
Blizzard not gutting Sub after expansion release challenge: impossible
I am exaggerating 
molten hedge
Yeah sub is always a great time in wpvp
why is it bad? seems like it still has burst and also does have some CDR on diff abilities albiet not shadowdust
again ive never played it this is just 30 mins of ganking noobs talking here
potent pivot
why is it bad? seems like it still has burst and also does have some CDR on diff...
I said it wasn’t bad
stoic spruce
This is a hot take even by my standards
But
Outlaw should ditch the current dmg profile and turn into a 30sec/1min burst spec
molten hedge
I said it wasn’t bad
i guess you did LMAO.. so are we supposed to hit every damn cd before we burst? thats like 5 buttons lol. or does everyone macro it together
severe helm
Subs one of those specs where if it isnt S tier, not many people play it
gleaming pawn
Outlaw should ditch the current dmg profile and turn into a 30sec/1min burst spe...
The PvErs would lose their APM and “no cooldowns” play style and riot
stoic spruce
I probably would be too tbh but it's current way isn't doing it any favors atm
Honestly though it'd probably be fine
severe helm
I mean they keep taking damage away from crackshot/bte
so its damage profile gets flatter and flatter
it felt fine when they first did the rework in s3 df
stoic spruce
Right
severe helm
but tbh outlaw has so many problems right now theyre better off reworking it
sadly
this version is very fun to play but very hard for them to balance
I mean adr uptime in pve right now is like 96%+
stoic spruce
Yeah thats one of the bigger problems
I like the idea of maintaining a buff through correct gameplay
But then you have dungeons like dawnbreaker that make it a slog to play
hidden moth
Or siege of Borlus
But that’s just me hating the 2nd boss bc she goes “fuck u u can’t hit me” and death mark falls off
safe pelican
This is a hot take even by my standards
You put your application in for an Outlaw dev position yet ?😂🦦
stoic spruce
Assa does it right
keen canopy
true
hidden moth
is it just me or has the game been letting u move but spells and everything else freezes for 3 seconds
stoic spruce
Yeah it be like that
hidden moth
damn
stoic spruce
Truly
hidden moth
i was malding in shuffle bc i wouild be fine but the second i needed to fade or smeld a cc etc game freeze for 1 second or so and then i come back to 6 second rep
stoic spruce
as in crackshot
Am I correct to assume you mean uhuh, ace, and crackshot. And not crackshot by itself?
keen canopy
well yeah
stoic spruce
i was malding in shuffle bc i wouild be fine but the second i needed to fade or ...
Yeah it costs wins for sure
stoic spruce
well yeah
I figured, just wanted to make sure
I'd be such a good dev
I'd have to leave yall tho
I could never
hidden moth
why would u not be allowed in here if ur a dev
stoic spruce
The outlaw channel explodes over any change at all
I would have a secret account for discord
And BS with this one
I'd be the equivalent of Officer Doofy from Scary Movie
hidden moth
just give me something that lets me get a restealth if the tank just runs into a boss without letting u drop combat in a key
and im chilling
stoic spruce
Oh you said boss
hidden moth
meld is only 1 charge
stoic spruce
Yes but the wish is granted by blizzard aka a monkey paw
So you'll get what you want but in the worst way possible
hidden moth
but yeah shits so ass, ik this is pvp discord but on fights like amarth in wake where u need vanish for add cc or siege where ur deathmark is going to say bye bye bc the boss jumps away with it and it falls off by the time she comes back
also lemme get a thing of need to take x damage for stealth to break
stoic spruce
Do they not?
I thought they did
I don't like sub enough to know how it works
Or what it's talents do
But I could've sworn it had something like that
hidden moth
this is only talent in sub i see but thats not gonna stop stealth breaks while shield is there
they dont have a passive for it eitehr
frail knot
My rogue is in the making, lvling atm - gonna play 2s with my brother who plays mage, which spec should i master? (Played rogue in tbc classic most recently)
frail knot
Aye, thats what i thought too
hidden moth
simply bc rogue mage relies alot on cc chains and burst damage where assa is rot damage in dots and outlaw is fast paced and in the face
safe pelican
I'm not minority enough
Lmao I got us covered bro , if I get the job you be the workhouse I’m just the face 🏴☠️🦦
Sub is the true embodiment of rogue it’s just ass rn DF sub rogue was the best i didn’t play the other xpacs i quit after TBC and just came back for DF season 2 but i had a lot of fun
Now it just feel like it’s a race to see how fast the enemy team can get me out of defensive CDs .. & double vanish I think should be a cornerstone of that spec and subterfuge like you’re supposed to be one with the shadow per the rogue MO current changes got the class all out of whack IMO
Assa is actually lowkey perfect rn I’d say 8.5/10 overall aside from various bugs but you can still make it happen even with that bugs , the not being able to get a resteslth when you need one to get a win condition silence garrote or cheap shot is the only issue I see class pumps literally only playing outlaw cause Assa feels too easy lmao
TLDR 😊🚶🏾♂️
candid tide
with the mega nerf on cc the only thing thats saving people from dying are defensives
now
but if bring bak cc casters gonna go on strike again
molten hedge
Assa is actually lowkey perfect rn I’d say 8.5/10 overall aside from various bug...
Ya wtf I noticed I’ve stood there 10 secs and couldn’t get a restealth. Is the bug deathstalker?
potent pivot
Ya wtf I noticed I’ve stood there 10 secs and couldn’t get a restealth. Is the b...
singular focus talent
molten hedge
Has blizzard commented on it or are we not bitching enough @potent pivot
potent pivot
i've been reporting it since beta basically
but i don't think we're bitching enough
it doesn't affect the pve community like it does us.. so..
molten hedge
I think bc there’s not a huge enough assa streamer. Like there’s a few like Shadenox but he hardly says anything and pika, whaazz, kalv don’t rly play assa so there’s that
molten hedge
But I’ve witnessed many times where ven, supa, aeg say something on stream and clip a YouTube vid then next reset shit changes
Well damn idk then
Maybe that’s why nahj is playing trickster
potent pivot
nah
it isn't
the issue is that it isn't a bug hyper effecting gameplay or making us broken
molten hedge
I gotcha man
stoic spruce
@safe pelican I'm not joking btw. I did apply and I do qualify.
molten hedge
@ RogueDev if you’re in here I’ll tickle ur pickle if you help us
lime oar
That’s why I’ve been messing with fatebound assa
potent pivot
the bug isn't that big of a deal
molten hedge
Just agg when u rly need a re and can’t get it but it’s not every time ur right
lime oar
I mean it doesn’t matter cuz u spam stealth a get the re eventually and then immediately come out and start garroting
lime oar
But it’s still annoying
molten hedge
I’m going to try sub more in shuffle. What makes it hard? Having 2 charges of shadow dance and duel seems pretty fun to me in terms of cc. And burst seems good still. Is it bc teammates scuff DRs or burst isn’t bursty enough? I would miss garrote silence for sure
potent pivot
it's just considered hard because it requires you to play very well to do well
sub is very punishing of mistakes
molten hedge
What are some of the common mistakes? Committing burst maybe too soon and getting peeled? Or using duel wrong?
Since you have 2 charges and CDR on dance, between goes do I commit dance and just peel/stun the entire enemy team so my other DPS can pump?
potent pivot
i'd recommend going back and watching some of nahj's vods or something
i think he's got a few things on YT as well, not sure how in depth they are though
candid tide
yesterday in shuffle the rogue got the resto druid to 20% and decided to switch to different target
sometimes its unexplainable the thought patterns of some players
proven field
for those keeping track at home, my 2nd draw in 24 hours
molten hedge
i'd recommend going back and watching some of nahj's vods or something
Watching some SkillCapped rn. Idt sub will be as hard to learn since there’s way way more content than there is for assa
Seems to me just pad with rupture between rupture, kidney off DR, burst on a good target without trinket, dance to get momentum off DR, etc. keep in mind I’m not a 2.5k player lmao. I feel like sub would be good around my MMR. My 2 assa’s are just above 2.2k
molten hedge
Has anyone’s BBP combo points and plates been like way off. Like one will be an inch to the left of the target while the other is an inch to the right and an inch up
potent pivot
Has anyone’s BBP combo points and plates been like way off. Like one will be an ...
I haven’t noticed it, do you have it updated?
outer briar
Starting to gear as assa. For weapons (pre-2500 conq), is warmongering better than honor daggers?
molten hedge
Tbh I think I just added crimson tempest to the white list buffs
What’s the stats on the two. Probably take the ones that have either vers mast or crit not haste
Tbh you get weps so fast it may be worth getting other gear
Like unless u have a ton of warband honor I wouldn’t waste bloody tokens on weps
outer briar
Warmongering daggers are haste, honor is crit
molten hedge
Ya just get honor ones
You can use a lot of wpvp warmonger pieces like even now I’m fully geared with some bloody token pieces and slowly replacing them with crafted
molten hedge
You don’t rlly need haste tbh. Most assas have like 2% or 3% haste
safe pelican
Ya wtf I noticed I’ve stood there 10 secs and couldn’t get a restealth. Is the b...
Yea DS Trickz answered already but tried to play FB to get around it but DS envenoms are just too nutty
safe pelican
<@777102587417067560> I'm not joking btw. I did apply and I do qualify.
lol I believe you brother ima swing an app in there this weekend for shits and titles why not I love the game
molten hedge
Ya I play DS for the burst and defensives. Only ever play fatebound against 2 mobile casters
On a big map that they can kite
potent pivot
Starting to gear as assa. For weapons (pre-2500 conq), is warmongering better th...
mainhand weapon is the biggest possible upgrade you can have
you always go for higher ilvl on everything now regardless of stats
outer briar
So bloody token weapons for now it is
potent pivot
yes
outer briar
Thanks
proven field
It's comp stomp week, so free conq there, also run wintergrasp once, free conquest quest in there as well
Holy crap - logged onto MM alt for fun; almost full honor gear and burst rotation is 1M dmg.. this makes Outlaw harder to swallow lol
jaunty osprey
I love comp stomp
outer briar
Is there a pin for macros?
I dont see it but also not sure if I am missing it because dumb
jaunty osprey
do u have a 1 shot macro
potent pivot
nop
jaunty osprey
USELESS
hidden moth
a quest u only get when entering the weekly brawl
potent pivot
a quest u only get when entering the weekly brawl
i didn't get it on my feral
then i got it on my rogue
jaunty osprey
You probably already had it on your feral
but you can always go to your adventure guide journal thing
to pick it up
vocal surge
^
potent pivot
You probably already had it on your feral
it just didn't auto proc on my feral for some reason
frail knot
there isn't
Send me macros aswell please!
potent pivot
i just got it outta the adventure guide on it
potent pivot
Send me macros aswell please!
sure
lone anvil
How are my sweet little kittens doing today?
I've been busy and haven't popped my head in for awhile
lime oar
man im just endlessly stuck at 1700 mmr going 3/3 and +0 to +5 cr
potent pivot
just gotta keep at it man
best way to get better is practice
maybe make vods and watch them over
lime oar
U right u right
lone anvil
man im just endlessly stuck at 1700 mmr going 3/3 and +0 to +5 cr
Feel this homie.
Guys I'm off work next three weeks. Kinda tempted to play the new vanilla classic servers dropping on the 21st
I got a few friends that will play so dungeon groups will be easy peezy. Can't decide between rolling warlock or rogue
safe pelican
Guys I'm off work next three weeks. Kinda tempted to play the new vanilla class...
Foolishness retail PVP is the only option
potent pivot
Game dead fr
it's usually still poppin
worthy crag
i havent grouped for spark this entire expac
kill 8 xyz wq rewards 10, dirt rewards 5
lime oar
I got a few friends that will play so dungeon groups will be easy peezy. Can't d...
Sinister strike to 5 cp. slice n dice, profit
potent pivot
y u need group for spark
i like fuckin ppl up
lone anvil
Foolishness retail PVP is the only option
I'll still be on retail baby girl
lone anvil
i like fuckin ppl up
Spark quests are alot of fun
potent pivot
ye i like turning brain off and AoE'ing 20 people from time to time
lone anvil
If you run a 5 man with two healers you basically feel invincible too
lone anvil
Anytime Ive done it with my friends we have gotten at least one or two people horde or alliance slayer
potent pivot
i leveled so many new toons with remix for diff races
lone anvil
Trickz is you still wanna do it and you're on later I'll heal for you on my druid
potent pivot
Trickz is you still wanna do it and you're on later I'll heal for you on my drui...
they'll all be done by then prob
lone anvil
and i think i'm gonna have to race swap some
How important are new race changes?
potent pivot
oh i didn't mean because of the incoming changes
those are super unimportant
i just made too many humans when i should've made something else
and i've got a couple orcs left over from DF
lone anvil
Oh gotcha. I get that
I have too many taurens on horde for some reason from back when I used to play
No idea why I made my shaman Tauren when Orc exists
Taurens are only good for Pun names and playing druid
They're not even aesthetically cool (respectfully)
waxen meteor
oh i didn't mean because of the incoming changes
What are the incoming changes may you link pls!
Thanks boss
potent pivot
What are the incoming changes may you link pls!
they are completely inconsequential
not even worth looking at
it's random buffs to zandalari troll and void elf, and they are still going to be shit racials
lone anvil
Vulpera is now S tier functionally to match it being S tier aesthetically
Vulpera is master race
potent pivot
No idea why I made my shaman Tauren when Orc exists
my shaman and hunters are orc
and i want to swap shaman to dark iron dwarf and hunter to n elf
lone anvil
Nice
I just made a little Vulpera hunter
And I can't wait to enslave some foxes as pets
potent pivot
I made my new warr human and I might swap it to gnome
I’m surprised more warrs haven’t gone dracthyr
lone anvil
I can't bring myself to make anything a dracthyr lol
It seems good for rogue and warrior though
I just think they're so ugly 😭
potent pivot
You can just use the human form 100% of the time
safe pelican
Not making a single flying lizard
Elf’s & Orcs are the only option
I have a gnome warrior cause i was on icy veins during during the MOP remix lvl 20 twink boosting frenzy but idk why gnome is best for war.. made every class to 70 or better except monks i hate monks could never side with the opps ❌
quaint gorge
Whats the stat prio for outlaw rn? Every guide is totally different
potent pivot
Whats the stat prio for outlaw rn? Every guide is totally different
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
potent pivot
at least 10% haste (in pvp scaling), then the rest into crit
lime oar
I have a gnome warrior cause i was on icy veins during during the MOP remix lvl ...
Escape artist, gnome is bis for warr just for the free root break.
safe pelican
Ahhh didn’t know that was the racial for gnome that’s nasty
earnest forge
ngl sometimes I'd like to be doing warr / pala / mage dmg
potent pivot
ngl sometimes I'd like to be doing warr / pala / mage dmg
play one 
alts can be fun and help you learn what other classes do in certain situations
safe pelican
Get off the world pvp sub brother we get it you’re #1 😂 lmao just fucking with you bro @jaunty osprey
jaunty osprey
Get off the world pvp sub brother we get it you’re #1 😂 lmao just fucking with ...
BAHAHA
candid tide
these people so weird...
shuffle is so weird at lower rating
like zero braincells wtf
fluid summit
is vers too pivotal for assassin rogue survivability/damage to give up for more haste incorporated with gems/crafted gear? I'm plannign out how i want to gear my rogue and I feel like haste mastery is most DPS output in terms of bleed/poison ticks and energy regeneration but I haven't really seen anyone dip a little bit into haste
potent pivot
is vers too pivotal for assassin rogue survivability/damage to give up for more ...
it's just not worth it to do so
vers is the most important stat for every spec in the game when it comes to pvp
you really shouldn't have any energy issues as assa
fluid summit
My energy management is pretty good I feel, I was just thinking more along the lines of poison ticks honestly
worthy crag
Its easier to overlook on vers because every slot is craftable and those offer less vers than conq gears
i know some ppl are doing well with like 17% vers but I personally like a few % higher
fluid summit
Dunno how much benefit/return you get for putting focus into haste vs the benefit of verse so i was just curious. appreciate the feedback [:
potent pivot
we're already pretty low on vers if you've geared similar to everyone else
20-23% is kind of the bare minimum you need
some people like to keep it 25-30%
fluid summit
Ahh gotcha, thank you! I really appreciate this, dont want to troll myself on accident hehe
wary thistle
Escape artist, gnome is bis for warr just for the free root break.
the side bonus is being a tiny little humanoid, wielding your tiny-big swords. it's like watching an ant tear shit up with a miniature claymore.
waxen meteor
What are the embellished we use now
potent pivot
Lens
waxen meteor
-.- which one is lens
potent pivot
-.- which one is lens
elemental focusing lens
procs damage if you have a stat gem socketed
potent pivot
i see kalvish still using 80% hp vers one
i don't think he's really been playing rogue at all
but it's not really a big enough difference to even worry about for most people i'm gonna be real
all embellishments this season suck dick
they're all like 1-2% dps increases
candid tide
tier gear sucks too so underwhelming
safe pelican
all embellishments this season suck dick
This
spring bough
i see kalvish still using 80% hp vers one
I been using this and blessed wep grip all season lmao
safe pelican
That’s why i still think dusk thread is good
spring bough
I should probably move to the focusing lens tho
potent pivot
I been using this and blessed wep grip all season lmao
did you see the wowhead post theorizing legion remix
they're stretching so hard lmao
spring bough
did you see the wowhead post theorizing legion remix
Not yet. They pulling at straws? Lol
potent pivot
Not yet. They pulling at straws? Lol
spring bough
Oh yeah the mysterious symbol lol
safe pelican
Ahhh yes queue the money grab episode once more plz
spring bough
Ah like the bottom right corner of that symbol looks like it has the broken isles map
spring bough
I tried doing some of those before 80 when leveling my alt and just left lol
potent pivot
yeah i'm on my 70 DH trying to get the free 600 tokens
and the mobs are 80s ig
can't kill with meta/blur/darkness etc
worthy crag
I personally dont think itll be a stretch to assume that, if there will be another remix, it will be legion
worthy crag
i don't think he's really been playing rogue at all
The right way to play rogue esp as sub
gleaming pawn
There’s not much reason for the tournament guys to play Rogue seriously when Feral is still better in every way
candid tide
outlaw is best melee atm
potent pivot
nah i wouldn't say that lol
candid tide
is what whaazz said yesterday
potent pivot
whaazz is biased
potent pivot
and he isn't going to spill strats
or what he thinks is actually best
right before finals
candid tide
lol good point
worthy crag
feral did get nerfed a bit too
candid tide
trying to gaslight all
safe pelican
Outlaw pumps during the window for sure but idk about best melee
gleaming pawn
I love Whaaz, real humble and good guy. But he plays Rogue at such a level and in an environment that Rogue is still able to shine. Where the NA rogues generally fight much different comps than EU
safe pelican
But im here for it is Whaaz going to run outlaw in finals? that should be interesting
candid tide
humble 
worthy crag
Thats the best rogue spec in toruney so yeah
candid tide
hes good tho, best control play rog out there
worthy crag
Id just say hes the best rogue period
gleaming pawn
Whaaz also has something that no one else in the world has. And that’s Chanimal
potent pivot
I love Whaaz, real humble and good guy. But he plays Rogue at such a level and i...
humble 
safe pelican
Whaaz is nasty im a fan but i wouldnt call him humble lol he talks his shit causse hes good nothing wrong with that in pvp
gleaming pawn
humble <:Clueless:1083105670066360420>
I should have mentioned, the humble is a recent thing. And he’s a memer but when it gets down to it and serious he has humbled a lot as he’s gotten older
worthy crag
That one video was titled funny af tho
"best mechanical rogue" or someth like that
like its probably true but still 😂
gleaming pawn
Not yet
safe pelican
Lame
gleaming pawn
After the uncap conq
candid tide
Whaaz also has something that no one else in the world has. And that’s Chanimal
mehhx and chanimal smh
only guys who standss a chance is tonyferal team
gleaming pawn
Whaaz still did crazy things when Mehhx had retired, but yes Mehhx is a god
potent pivot
Can you send your alts conq boxes still like in DF?
if you play on a healer, yes
potent pivot
only guys who standss a chance is tonyferal team
welcome to the jung, the move
candid tide
welcome to the jung, the move
bruh didnt they wiped drakes team in a cross region finals once
drakes is insane too tho
gleaming pawn
They didn’t wipe them, they traded
gleaming pawn
And every other game Prev was playing with Australia ping all the over to the UK and they still almost won’t several of those games
candid tide
oh i see good stuff : D
safe pelican
if you play on a healer, yes
Never would i do that to my sanity
candid tide
ye eu ping is no fair ngl
gleaming pawn
A blizzcon in person tourney with Echo, Liquid, The Move, and Welcome to the Jung would be insane
*current
severe helm
whaaz will say a rogue spec is OP and the best
then when they start to lose in tourney he pulls out sub
and wins
every time
potent pivot
A blizzcon in person tourney with Echo, Liquid, The Move, and Welcome to the Jun...
yeah i'd love to see actual blizzcon championships again. that way no one can complain they lost because of ping
severe helm
no matter how out of meta sub is
you can ALWAYS win with sub
it just inherently sets the requiement for your opponents defensive play to be perfect
it capitalizes on mistakes so much more than any other spec in the game
like as outlaw if someone doesnt have a trinket its not like youre gona 1 shot them in a bomb
candid tide
thats some take there
severe helm
it just has a really high skill ceiling
like if youre a ret main and rets C tier you can play insanely well but its just not gona matter, but unless sub is actual F tier dogshit and cant kill someone in 9 seconds of stun, it can win in the right hands
theres a reason whaaaz always pulls it out in tourney regardless of the meta
when in doubt, sub rmp
surreal barn
Plenty of times sub was dogshit
potent pivot
thats some take there
i mean it's kinda real
as long as sub can make you enable your other dps more than any other spec in the game by being the little stunb*tch, high level players can capitalize on it
@spring bough did you see the event for tomorrow btw
candid tide
Its a flexible spec fs
spring bough
<@913956782961995796> did you see the event for tomorrow btw
Don’t tell me it’s a one and done thing lmao
potent pivot
Don’t tell me it’s a one and done thing lmao
i think so yes
spring bough
Bout to do it on my second acct xfer the char over 😂
potent pivot
Bout to do it on my second acct xfer the char over 😂
you have to go to caverns of time, at 5pm EST, on Emerald Dream realm
earn some sweet rewardz
be there
or
be
🟨
spring bough
That servers gonna be mobbed tomorrow
And no other info of how many hours it’s gonna be up for lmao
potent pivot
And no other info of how many hours it’s gonna be up for lmao
Yeah it seems kinda odd
Very last minute announcement as well
I have a good hunch that we are going to get the purple motorcycle
jaunty osprey
i don't think he's really been playing rogue at all
He plays every day btw
he queues 3s only
potent pivot
lone anvil
I play my warlock and rogue and druid every week. I love all 3 classes. But RN I have the least fun and seem to do the worst on the rogue. And it takes the longest for me to conquest cap.
As far as BG blitz goes Warlock is so much easier to climb rating
potent pivot
I play my warlock and rogue and druid every week. I love all 3 classes. But RN I...
I usually cap the quickest on rogue but that’s just out of familiarity I think
Every other class feels way easier, but I’m still getting the hang of some of em
gleaming pawn
Rogue is a class you have to outplay your opponents. You don’t just get to face roll damage and win
potent pivot
The goal is at least 1800 on every melee this season
gleaming pawn
And outplaying requires skill and experience with your kit
potent pivot
Not everything feels face roll imo
I guess that depends on what level you’re playing at though
gleaming pawn
Yeah it falls off the higher rating you play. But most classes just spew damage, like warlock
potent pivot
Playing warrior or dk around 1.8-2k feels pretty face roll
gleaming pawn
It’s one of those fine lines. It feels great when you win because you were better than your opponent. But damn does it suck having to work so much harder to win than most classes
potent pivot
And I’m assuming ret will too once I get started on it
gleaming pawn
Ret is a lot of fun, and very easy depending on your lobby
potent pivot
Yeah I can see why so many people play it
Doesn’t have many buttons but the buttons it does have are very strong
And it can sit mid range half the time
gleaming pawn
What’s the meta warrior spec these days, arms slayer?
I haven’t really touched mine since TBC
lone anvil
And outplaying requires skill and experience with your kit
So there is some truth to this certainly.
I have gotten 1v2s on both warlock and rogue and both have been satisfactory. I killed a ret paladin and a hunter on my warlock in a BG this week by putting my teleport behind a house and kiting it, which felt like I was out playing them cause I kept LoSing and juking.
Affliction has very low survivability especially when you get multiple melee on you. And in shuffle I don't think it's a forgiving environment.
For me there are moments on rogue that are just really frustrating. I think mostly it comes down to it being a caster meta. It's really hard to stay on top of people to keep pumping damage . In certain settings I feel like a god on rogue other settings I struggle.
That being said. Sometimes people will ignore my warlock in blitz and I get to afk free cast on people. And that almost never happens on rogue
So while I still have to use skill to fight people on warlock I also have times where I can coast. As a rogue getting into the thick of it you're almost always targeted and you have less opportunities to do free damage
coarse lance
IS CLOAK BUGGED WTF
dude i swear i press this button 10 times today and dots dont get removed or smth
gleaming pawn
Yes Cloak just doesn’t remove shit it should be sometimes
potent pivot
Huh
potent pivot
dude i swear i press this button 10 times today and dots dont get removed or smt...
What kinda of dots
potent pivot
What’s the meta warrior spec these days, arms slayer?
I think fury is better overall atm but not sure, just going off the last thing I heard Mag say
gleaming pawn
My most recent example of cloak jank was yesterday. Outlaw rogue had crippling on me, and a Druid had their dots. I cloaked and Crippling stayed and sunfire. They weren’t even attacking me anymore when i cloaked and vanished as I was disengaging to chase the efc
proven field
And I’m assuming ret will too once I get started on it
Have you done Devo yet?
potent pivot
Have you done Devo yet?
i plan on leveling it, not sure i'm going to bother pvping on it much though
i rarely play anything that isn't melee
i've got all my similar abilities on the same binds for every melee
playing a ranged class would take some real getting used to
wary thistle
you play hunter much?
potent pivot
i've played a decent amount of surv
wary thistle
funny, i've never touched sv. but yea thinkin hunter is a decent crossover, similar utility binds
I kinda do the same though, kick / stun / specific types of utility are bound similarly between my hunter and rogue/pally
played a bit of SP for a while years back, that was a little different since the utility doesn't quite align the same way
potent pivot
@jaunty osprey
safe pelican
Just played a deephaul ravine match and i didnt see not one heal
potent pivot
jaunty osprey
LMAO
potent pivot
quit jorkin' it ova there
potent pivot
jaunty osprey
HMM
proven field
i've got all my similar abilities on the same binds for every melee
I’m the same way - stun goes Q, root is F etc - devo is kind of not like any other spec - so much mobility and burst - it’s an absolute blast
small girder
hey, new sub rogue here, is there a way of dealing with pala/orcs, cheapx3 leaves gaps with the last two, should I just focus on doing damage leaving the last cheap or just roll with the gaps
or just delay and keep it gapless?
gleaming pawn
Gotta adjust your timing with orcs and keep it gapless
small girder
yeah, gonna just feel like an idiot there just being a stun bot, but I reckon yeah
gleaming pawn
Sub is a stunbot first and foremost
small girder
yeah, first time going rogue, all my exp is being warrior/dk so Im used to smashing buttons
long shore
I made a ret alt, and the amount of brainpower i have to use to do damage Vs rogue is night and day.
Literally press button on cooldown. See button light up and press
So easy 😂
And things just melt in AOE.
If you can play rogue well, you probably can play any melee well 😜
wary thistle
I made a ret alt, and the amount of brainpower i have to use to do damage Vs rog...
wheelchair class is really fun in pve
shadow magnet
Does anyone have a list of defensives/offensive CDs for each spec somewhere?
idk how to play around anything
bc I have no idea whats going on
potent pivot
Does anyone have a list of defensives/offensive CDs for each spec somewhere?
could try googling it
wouldn't doubt that there's a list on reddit or somewhere else, probably a little out of date though
shadow magnet
Yeah I've found a few but they all seem out of date
worthy crag
open up omnicd or bigdebuffs
they already have an assortment of cooldowns
and read thru each of em
or omnibar
shadow magnet
good idea thanks
potent pivot
good idea thanks
something that helps me sometimes is making a WA for abilities that have text on them as well
memorizing every icon can be a bit daunting
worthy crag
If you go by "big" 2~3 min CDs it's not a ton
safe pelican
i give up
im convinced that horde is worse at rbgs just like regular bgs
theres no way
stoic spruce
You play horde to kill, not to win.
Horde wins team fights but they don't know the objective from a hole in the ground
proven field
im convinced that horde is worse at rbgs just like regular bgs
It definitely feels like it sometimes
safe pelican
I’m going ally at midnight
I knew this too from grinding epic bgs i literally get on MM hunter hop in epic bgs its free honor if you’re ally you only have to hit 3 buttons in team fights aim shot and rapid fire , ba/ kill shot
proven field
I went on an MM dwarf alt and went 9-1
Hit 1600 in an afternoon
Now this is tinfoil hat tbh
safe pelican
BUT for some odd reason i thought that blizzard would be smart enough to unlock rbgs to make it fair for EVERYONE regardless of race because its not fair for me to be chained to the brain dead faction and my rating has to suffer because of the race i choose that’s wack
Now i have to have yet another night elf just to win
proven field
There is something wrong with the queue system absolutely - if you get caught in a certain band you will lose endlessly
safe pelican
I wanna make a human but meld is just chefs kiss
safe pelican
There is something wrong with the queue system absolutely - if you get caught in...
I was going to raise this point the other day but i didn’t
potent pivot
You guys do realize rbgs are cross faction right?
safe pelican
It’s crazy you noticed too but i think it a horde thing and i noticed in those games you will have the highest MMR
proven field
My rogue has been in 8 straight games where the other side avg MMR is 300 higher than my team while their cr is bottom (new chars) and we get smoked
safe pelican
You guys do realize rbgs are cross faction right?
man are you sure ?
People are playing likes it’s not
proven field
You guys do realize rbgs are cross faction right?
I don’t think it’s a faction thing - it’s a banding thing - there is some sort of MMR black hole people get stuck in
safe pelican
I get teammates 200 MMR lower that openly tell me that they don’t know how to play this objective at the beginning of the match
Like
proven field
I drustvar both teams and it’s nonstop duelists vs my team of sub-1400 exp
Then worst check - honor level - sort list and it’s their entire team and me at 400-1000 and then half my team are sub honor level 40
Coming up on ten games straight of all these gaps combined - gotta be some sort of stacking problem in the algorithm - tried two alts and rocket up 1600-1800 in 15-20 games
Next step I’m gonna reroll a new outlaw and see if I still mega suck on just that char
proven field
You’ve never read blue notes then
Because they patch and hotfix code and calcs bi-weekly
worthy crag
Never said matchmaking was perfect but at the end of the day
good people climb
bad people are placed in lower brackets
proven field
Most of the time absolutely
And before this char I would be right with you - but I can hit 1800 on a half dozen chars and cannot catch a win past 1300 on this one over 40 games - what’s happening - luck?
Like 67% winrste to 20% - I should have caught a win streak of 2-3 just by clicking join and still being conscious
worthy crag
well probability is a part of math and it's arguable whether 40 is a large sample size or not. There's also the question of how different 1800 is from 1300
And also a question of how you are perceiving the situation when you are playing on that specific toon or if there's any bias affecting you
Statistically people are more likely to lose than win on their next match if they are already on a losing streak because they interpret every deviance in a negative light
and vice versa i.e. people are more likely to win their next match if already on a winning streak
IMO the probability that there is 1) something wrong in the system and 2) it is affecting me out of all people is like
so far down the list of all these alternatives that it's not really even worth considering seriously
There are litreally 9750000 players in 375 other competitive games that say the same thing
Just best to breathe in some fresh air and take a break before trying again
proven field
Absolutely it’s entirely anecdotal - small sample size and no way to check the code anyways
And you’re not wrong - won 9 in a row on next alt
Just feels like something is up and people complaining about ELO hell might not just be crazy
worthy crag
temu is clutch sometimes ngl
like when I'm stepping outside in the backyard just for a breeze I dont need a $24.99 pair of slippers
because blitz is like 10v10 it's harder for an individual player to make a noticeable difference than say 2v2 or 3v3 imo
but then again, rogue is THE one class that can really hard carry esp on certain maps
Would say ELO hell definitely exists but.. people should be able to help themselves escape out of it as long as they are in the upper 51%
proven field
but then again, rogue is THE one class that can really hard carry esp on certain...
I’m not sure I agree - especially outlaw - if it were RBGs for example I would sit my own outlaw over a feral or assa even
molten hedge
im currently playing nahjs build without tea and i feel super super energy starved like not even enough to get ruptures up lol im sure im doing something wrong
potent pivot
im currently playing nahjs build without tea and i feel super super energy starv...
make sure you aren't spamming storm outside of dance too much
it costs a lot of energy
molten hedge
nahjs build has super charger deeper strat and vanish
so i guess not
but feels very starved
potent pivot
i'm talking about in the spec tree
potent pivot
you could add shadow focus
but it's not going to make a big difference on how you're feeling outside of burst
everything outside of your burst doesn't really matter anyway
molten hedge
so basically im worthless except every 1.5 mins other than to peel for teammates with dance maybe?
potent pivot
i also think deeper daggers is better than dark brew
molten hedge
summarizing 😄
potent pivot
so basically im worthless except every 1.5 mins other than to peel for teammates...
pretty much
you can try to do some damage with your raw dances
it just won't be anything crazy
worthy crag
Can you even commit a dance to peel nowadays? feels like a huge throw ngl
potent pivot
if you have to, you have to
worthy crag
🤷♂️
potent pivot
either that or a vanish
molten hedge
i mean what else do u use them for you have 1.5 mins
before blades and fflag are back up
potent pivot
to try and do what damage you can
if you're team mate has damage, you're doing what you can to add to it
molten hedge
dang i see why ppl were tripping about shadowdust lol like damn blizz throw sub a bone thats crazy u do like negative damn outside of burst LOL
severe helm
dang i see why ppl were tripping about shadowdust lol like damn blizz throw sub ...
I mean that was always true
even with shadowdust
thats a fundamental sub problem
molten hedge
thats a fundamental sub problem
Yeah but like with shadowdust you have your dam back way quicker so it’s still an issue but a much smaller one
I’ve never played sub before today but I know shadowdust gave back like 30 secs CDR on ur cds right
severe helm
Yeah but like with shadowdust you have your dam back way quicker so it’s still a...
I think you have more windows now than before
cuz you have 1:30 cds
before you only had 2 1:30 rounds
then you were out of dust
molten hedge
I’m confused you said 1:30 twice. Lol
severe helm
yeah so before in order to have 1:30 cds line up
you had to send a charge of vanish
now you just get to do that by default
cuz they reduced blades cd to 1:30
so now all your vanishes can be defensive
but it did reduce your ability to send two SecTecs in one window and 1 shot someone
but you should have more dances on average now than before cuz they gave you more symbols
honestly I prefer how sub plays now than before
halcyon timber
Far prefer how we are now than vanish monkey reliance. Dust was fine but was a bad dependency and difficult to balance around eff that noise
stoic spruce
I wish outlaws stealth gameplay was as fun as assa's
lucid citrus
is this enough haste for outlaw?
lucid citrus
inside pvp combat
stoic spruce
Yes
lucid citrus
cool thanks!
stoic spruce
Yerppp
viscid hornet
Hey guys I had a few sessions on Arena, was using my 619 lvl pve gear. And... Was wondering how big of a differance it makes having pvp gear? I know it does but how big compared to pve gear? Cause we managed to win quite a good number of games with my friend
gleaming pawn
Would you use 619 gear in a raid or m+ when you had 639 gear? No. Ilvl and thus Agility/Weapon Damage is king
viscid hornet
Not really the question. How big of a difference?
viscid hornet
Between PvE and pvp gear I mean. Cause I can also get 630 pve gear but like both compared
Is it the same
or totally different?
I'm new to that so the answer is important
gleaming pawn
Between PvE and pvp gear I mean. Cause I can also get 630 pve gear but like both...
That’s not even remotely what you asked originally. Tier sets are the same stats just higher ilvl. Off pieces for pvp you target vers and mastery for assa
Trinkets also need to be pvp to make the set bonus
You should not be doing rated pvp in pve gear
viscid hornet
Alright thanks 🙂
inner tartan
is the outlaw 4 set noticable in pvp ?
sick wasp
as in the extra stacking dmg from ethereal rampage
ye all outlaws got 4p on murlok
personally i dont play pirate but it looks very strong
lusty epoch
I jist give up on outlaw xd i dont know why this spec its consider as s toer but after 650 solo rounds im hard stuck 1.9bxd its easier to get rating as frost dk than outlaw xd
lusty epoch
I saw many ppl dropped him in s tier
I dont know im struggle to push so i hard tillted xd even on my demo im 2250cr xd buy outlaw hardstuck xd
neat torrent
yeah i have the same experience. Instantly to 1800 on my assa rogue in like 4 shuffles
and outlaw took me 270 rounds
but quickly 1.9 after that
think its just too easy to press the wrong button on outlaw because you're getting so many procs etc
its fun when u get like 6 BTEs in a row though with reload
lusty epoch
Problem is when u dont understand what its ur real problem ,like i just cant set up kill ,i do nice dmg i think but i just cant finish it
I dont know where is problem ;/ i love spec but stuck 1.9 all time make me tillted :D😅😂
I believe i need help like some teacher maybe haha
stoic spruce
You're asking for kill pressure
lusty epoch
I love everythibg around this spec mobility desing etc but i would like get some rating but losing all time oh men 659games and 1.9 its bad super bad
I always did good as ww wheb i could set up kill and finish them by myself i have missing this in outlaw ;/ but im too stupid for sub 😄
stoic spruce
WW has a burst that does good dmg so I'm not surprised
lusty epoch
I tried sub but im too stupud i dont understand rotation out of cds so
stoic spruce
Luckily that does negative dmg so it doesn't matter lol
lusty epoch
I think sub could fit me nicely with finsh ppl myself but i need understand roation overall ,i need some good guide for sub
stoic spruce
You should do dungeons
molten hedge
You’re not finishing anything on ur own without blades lmao
stoic spruce
Yeah sub outside of CDs is tank lvl dmg
molten hedge
It may be worse
lusty epoch
You should do dungeons
Its samw rotation?
lusty epoch
You’re not finishing anything on ur own without blades lmao
I saw subs finish ppl with dance
stoic spruce
I saw subs finish ppl with dance
It was a generalization
lusty epoch
Overall i need fix my outlaw its most enjoyabke spec for me even if im doing bad on it
stoic spruce
You just gotta play with your teammates strengths
If you want slightly better kill pressure, go trickster
I find it's a lot easier to close kills with it
lusty epoch
Im solo shuffle player xd
stoic spruce
Yeah which makes it harder
lusty epoch
I watch whaazz but i dont understand what he is doing and why haha :ad
undone snow
I’m playing sin and I have access to a 639 rashanan back, is it better than a vers/mastery pvp piece ?
indigo hill
Do outlaw rogue streamers exist for pvp?
hollow carbon
Outlaw ain’t S tier for average player, but on higher rating for very good players. So don’t feel like you should be higher rated on rogue 🙂
Skillcapped just released a video with tier lists for average Joe’s 😁
hollow carbon
Do outlaw rogue streamers exist for pvp?
Whaazz, Drdagger, Tyga come to my mind right away. There are most likely way more currently
hollow carbon
Not sure if anyone knows for now. I just know that whaazz started playing it but I think for most players the „usual“ HO build will perform better
stoic spruce
keep rolling dice?
On CD
stoic spruce
Not sure if anyone knows for now. I just know that whaazz started playing it but...
Some are starting to ditch crackshot now
Some already have
ocean silo
anyone else have issue with ominbar in soloshuffle? seeing previous round's cds in the current round and have to /rel
vocal surge
I dont know where is problem ;/ i love spec but stuck 1.9 all time make me tillt...
Are you fatebound?
Logged on and now I can't see jack
The hotkey letters smaller than a 1/4 in jawbreaker
hollow carbon
Some are starting to ditch crackshot now
He plays crackshot and kir afaik so there are prob a few viable builds
gray dune
So since rated bgs are different it seems, why am i losing rating? Just tryin to understand atleast lol, cuz it bothers me😂
jolly sierra
So since rated bgs are different it seems, why am i losing rating? Just tryin to...
MMR lower or equal than current CR = rating loss
gray dune
MMR lower or equal than current CR = rating loss
so cuz my mmr is in the 1200s and my rating is close to 1600 thats why im losing rating?
proven field
Yes if you lose a round there, the game is saying "well he should be 1200, so lets get him there"
gray dune
and since its so low itl be rating unchanged when i win til it starts matching up again
jolly sierra
so cuz my mmr is in the 1200s and my rating is close to 1600 thats why im losing...
ye
u are in MMR hell
u need to win more before starting to earn actual rating
gray dune
seems like it lol, i went up to 1500s easily
earnest forge
unsure about caster alt, evoker, mage or priest, any take on it?
neat torrent
i have a dev evoker and honestly wouldn't recommend it. The playstyle is really bland
probs mage or warlock would be a fun caster
orchid plinth
AWC today yaaaaay (in 38 minutes)
gray dune
prevoker is fun to play in pvp lol, thats what i do
severe helm
Yeah sub outside of CDs is tank lvl dmg
yeah but in dungeons sub has cds pretty often
just dance + symbols + sec tech is a good amount of damage even outside of blades/flag
I think most subs dont even try to play for overall dam anyway
when people were still playing sub/affi rogues like trill were actually cranking on the meters
vocal surge
Yeesh, WC1 remastered is horrible compare to the original