lmao
#pvp
potent pivot
severe helm
Ive been buying the viscious
spring bough
I do every time lol
severe helm
with honor
spring bough
Ah yeah that’s gonna take light years to buy it with honor lol
spring bough
Why 2 sockets for lens?
severe helm
few different logs from bgs
looks like bte crit damage is only 200%
explains why outlaw does so much less damage in pvp than in pve
potent pivot
ye it affects everything
spring bough
explains why outlaw does so much less damage in pvp than in pve
I can get anywhere from 1 to 1.8mil crit in a rated solo with BTE
potent pivot
well it's not double nerfed
potent pivot
crit is nerfed for everyone
severe helm
and nerfed a second time by pvp crit scaling
spring bough
Haven’t gone over 2 mil on the BTE yet unfortunately
severe helm
yeah
potent pivot
and imp bte is nerfed
severe helm
so instead of bte doing 400% damage on crits it does 200% damage
potent pivot
i'd just describe it differently
but yes
with crit dmg being nerfed for everyone it's basically just baseline
severe helm
no its still nerfed by another 25% on top of that
potent pivot
ye
severe helm
so bte crits do HALF the damage in pvp that they do in pve
potent pivot
i just wouldn't count the crit dmg nerf that's game wide
severe helm
where most crits do 3/4 the damge in pvp as in pve
potent pivot
specifically against it
severe helm
I would considering how high crit chance it has
it technicaly impacts it more
just like pyroblast
or chaos bolt
potent pivot
but that's why crit dmg additives are kinda insane
severe helm
they arent insane if something has a 80%+ crit chance
potent pivot
which is why at the beginning of the beta i thought trickster would be insane
for the +25% crit dmg
Idk if any spec in the game plays crit in pvp other than outlaw now
Frost dk played it because auto crits would extend Pillar duration but I think most people are dropping that talent and going haste/mast
vocal surge
Dont forget, Frost DK has a lot of procs that already proc guaranteed crit hits
potent pivot
Ye but we played a certain amount of crit at the beginning of the season
If running the Pillar/crit talent
vocal surge
Yeee
potent pivot
Dropping the talent and playing haste/mast just makes it easier to play UH and frost anyway
vocal surge
for the +25% crit dmg
I think for this modifier to be really insane, it'd have to also apply to finishers
or have No Scruples apply to Builders
Either or will make Trickster lean into the same stat prio as Fatebound
Actually
imma have to pay attention rq to Surprising Strikes damage bonus
I just noticed
My crit hit builders aren't doing 75% more damage on avg over my non-crit
spring bough
My crit hit builders aren't doing 75% more damage on avg over my non-crit
Spreadsheet time lol
vocal surge
Yep
Also ironically enough
Ambush and Pistol Shot have Lethality listed
as a modifier to them
but not Surprising Strike
They have Fazed listed from Trickster
severe helm
for the +25% crit dmg
well thats only for generators sadly
severe helm
trickster really just misses the mark as outlaw
KS is such a bad ability in so many ways
desperately needs a redesign
vocal surge
Me like KS, me press big KS
severe helm
yeah it just has so many issues
I hate that if ANYONE in like a 15 yard radius has a parry/evasion/blur active, your KS just fails
even if you arent targeting them
that bug is so so so stupid
frozen stone
Hey, I have a question...which armor can I transform to Set GEar?
potent pivot
Conquest gear
severe helm
Helm, Shoulder, Chest, Legs, Gloves
frozen stone
Conquest gear
where do I get it ?
frozen stone
Ok ty 🙂
safe pelican
I hate that if ANYONE in like a 15 yard radius has a parry/evasion/blur active, ...
theres no way thats a 24/7 100% chance bug
severe helm
it is
1000%
you can test it out yourself
its a known bug lol
if a monk is near you with FoF up
or a war with retail
or dh with blur
even if you dont target them
vocal surge
parried
severe helm
your KS will use all cps and do nothing
safe pelican
that sounds ridiculous lol why would they not fix that
severe helm
bro
do you know how many bugs outlaw has?
are you serious
subterfuge still doesnt even work properly
if you stealth while you have subterfuge buff, your adr will tick down AND your next bte will go on cd even if used from stealth
the spec is full of game breaking bugs
safe pelican
that is a crazy bug though idk i know KS bugs sometimes and im like wtf but if thats the reason then wow
thats deperessing if true hope youre lying
severe helm
I am not
frozen stone
Where do I get this? I dont find it
severe helm
that is how it works
severe helm
Where do I get this? I dont find it
AH
its called "elemental focusing lens"
its an embelishment onto your crafted gear
vocal surge
Where do I get this? I dont find it
Elemental Focusing Lens Embellishment
frozen stone
ty 😄
vocal surge
and ye, Outlaw is so badly buggy rn its not even funny
frozen stone
Ah wait...I wanted to come back to pvp after about 15 years and I decide to play outlaw rogue... is it a bad choice?
severe helm
play whats fun to you
outlaw is an interesting spec, it doesnt do very much damage and isnt that easy to play well but it has a very very high skill ceiling
frozen stone
ok
jaunty osprey
Outlaw does damage, just not consistent damage
It can definitely burst someone for 3-5 million in an opening rotation if they press nothing
vocal surge
^
severe helm
I find the opposite to be true
outlaw has more consistent damage than something like sub but a LOOOOOT less burst
it has no big cooldowns
only vanish, which has an effective cd of like 25-30 seconds
vocal surge
For me, Outlaw has both Burst and Consistent damage
severe helm
lol
outlaw has weaker damage cds than pretty much any other spec in the game
I cant think of a spec that has less bursty offensive cds
maybe shadow priest
or aff lock
of the 3 rogue specs outlaw has the lowest burst
sub obv the highest and assa with deathmark/kingsbane def has bigger cds
safe pelican
Man outlaw burst is just too good
just had a assa rogue trinket sap on AB in a 1v1
needless to say he died in a stun XD
1-1-0 For the night tied a WSG somehow even though we had last flag
its getting spicy tonight
severe helm
1-1-0 For the night tied a WSG somehow even though we had last flag
what?
that def shouldnt happen do you have a ss of that?
safe pelican
of the 3 rogue specs outlaw has the lowest burst
i was going to take one but im ngl my teammate grabbed it 1 second before the game ended like so close that he grabbed it and it said draw on the screen right after like millisecond
but i was watching YT videos and they said last to grab flag wins or whatever
but i guess that was too fast to register
severe helm
i was going to take one but im ngl my teammate grabbed it 1 second before the ga...
grabbed it or capped it?
if its 0/0 its a draw for both sides
doesnt matter if youre holding flag or not
safe pelican
grabbed it
severe helm
ah yeah that doesnt matter
safe pelican
oh okay though if one team was holding the flag at the end and the other wasnt the team holding the flag wins but disregard then
safe pelican
i have found the solution
you have to type in all caps the entire match to get ppl to listen
works very well
spring bough
Level 20s for outlaw is so brutal leveling lol
safe pelican
Would it be THAT bad if I crafted daggers for my outlaw rogue for mog purposes ? XD
just go Haste / Vers on the weapons
potent pivot
huh
severe helm
Would it be THAT bad if I crafted daggers for my outlaw rogue for mog purposes ?...
you need a non-dagger mainhand as outlaw
safe pelican
damn and tricks i was saying i wanted to craft 2 daggers so i could mog the shard of azzinoth lol on my outlaw rogue
assa main probs
potent pivot
damn and tricks i was saying i wanted to craft 2 daggers so i could mog the shar...
But.. outlaw is only for sword mogs
proven field
I wish we could do the opposite - let us xmog swords on offhand
proven field
Wait you can?
potent pivot
Any of your Legion artifact swords ye
proven field
potent pivot
(The only weapon any outlaw should ever mog)
proven field
I just miss DW xmog options - so many sick sets
safe pelican
But.. outlaw is only for sword mogs
jolly sierra
another week of no xavius shoulders
there are another way to get the shoulders easily
jaunty osprey
wat how
jolly sierra
got them from this thing back in the day
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/currency=1508/veiled-argunite
u need this as currency
jaunty osprey
T_T
jolly sierra
as should be, those things are not intended to be obtained easily F
fleet kelp
What’s the best rogue spec? & what’s the best spec for learning rogue?
potent pivot
all 3 specs are good, and that's a very subjective thing
i'd recommend trying them and seeing which one you like
safe pelican
Got this on copy & paste now don’t cha ^^😂🦦
I need to go far that sword I want out in zerith mortis but my Dk has the campaign progress and i rather sit in blitz queue while i do it smh
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot went up 40 viewers on my check-pvp in 1 day
LOL
PEOPLE BETTER BE COPYIN THE TALENTSZ
potent pivot
steel scarab
Hi folks! How do I add sockets to pvp items?
potent pivot
you buy the socket item from the vendor
jaunty osprey
lfgggg
proven field
UHDK/Arms/Ret - I have never been CCd so much in my life lol
gleaming pawn
replace Ret with WW and you just wouldn't be playing the game anymore
proven field
replace Ret with WW and you just wouldn't be playing the game anymore
One healer was a MW - it was awful lol
Dude torpedo’d to meet me halfway thru a hook and stunned me
I was like “I’m not even mad that was amazing”
lime oar
Boys whats the bug that’s been keeping us in stealth hella long? With rupture, and is it tied into deathstalker or the spec tree?
rocky snow
fervent shell
/cast Damage
halcyon timber
Boys whats the bug that’s been keeping us in stealth hella long? With rupture, a...
Singular focus supposedly but other classes have lots of stuff from their trees that just break us out regardless.
-ex: spellslinger from mages (intended) and some warlock nonsense (intended)
hard garnet
I'm guessing it does, but just in case. Does lense proc off of just one gem? Thanks.
halcyon timber
Yes, off any of the stat gems, procs “moderately” for a nice bonus hit that adds up quick
steel scarab
Do we wear 2 pieces of tier for PvP?
I sure hope so, I just used the catalyst lol
Also, WHAT THE FUCK, when I catalyzed my headpiece it ate my pvp gem!?
vocal ginkgo
Any good outlaw guides?
jolly sierra
Do we wear 2 pieces of tier for PvP?
imo ye, 4set barely raises dmg
safe pelican
lol got blamed for a loss in my first blitz … feels good to be the problem 😎
4-2 tonight should’ve won that deep haul game lmao i trying to waddle over to the healer to kidney and took a week to get there went through every CC to get to him ffs
Shadow step is superior imo but hooks more of an Objective based talent so it’s cool and i like how you can disengage from a fight with hooks to remain a nuisance
lime oar
Singular focus supposedly but other classes have lots of stuff from their trees ...
ok thnx, just having a lot of trouble getting re's on assa, i tend to use my vanishes way too fast/offensively.
thinking i might play better on fatebound
but idk
proven field
safe pelican
4-3 ... WHY ARE YOU PLAYING BGB AND YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO USE KICK FFS
proven field
Its ok homie, I have dropped 300 rating this week alone and went from 60% winrate to 28% in a day
Used to be decent; could hit 2k or so - so not great, but now chillin in 1300 and considering just deleting this char and quitting forever lol
dim oriole
They need to boost the CR you get for a win
+10-20 is not enough and you just get stuck in a bracket that takes forever to get out of
With very little agency on whether you win or lose most of the time
proven field
I have like 6 alts all 1800+, never had this before. I've played RBGs for like 5 exps at 2200 so I am at least decent at BGs. I literally cannot catch a fucking win to save my life. Cap 5-6 nodes, return 4 flag, lead in KBs, none of it matters because the other team is winning 20:1 map after map.
My MMR has got to be 2-300 below my CR now; there is likely no way to ever recover outside of a 10 game winstreak so... just delete lol?
Like I should be accidentally carried while being afk eating a burrito at 1300 at least 25% of the time
dim oriole
Yea I get too tilted doing BGB now
And for literally zero reward, unless you can somehow luck your way into a win streak
safe pelican
Just need to spec assa
proven field
That is my last-ditch effort likely, but I just spent a week leveling, a week gearing, I am loving outlaw (and miss RBGs), Shuffle is actually going well, but like.. the mode I want fucking hates me
vocal surge
Solo Shuffle ey?
proven field
Yeah I am enjoying Outlaw in SS so far - feel effective at least and like my destiny is my control
proven field
You got this
indigo hill
Shadow step is superior imo but hooks more of an Objective based talent so it’s ...
Grappling is great for bg. Nice to carry the flag and crossing the map with 4 hooks.
safe pelican
Grappling is great for bg. Nice to carry the flag and crossing the map with 4 ho...
See i capped once on twin peaks and i struggle with the tech thinking i should save hooks and sprint until i have to cross mid
vocal surge
Starting to see so many BM hunters
and Demo locks
Also found killing BM Hunter pets via Blade Flurry reduces their damage output everytime a pet of theirs die
same with Demo locks
safe pelican
Maybe youre right @indigo hill just won my next WSG I capped all 3 of the flags
hooks op XD
languid ravine
can someone explain to me why Holy Paladin does 50m damage, same as three other dps in my team
I think there is only one explanation, we must nerf DK again
outer sky
I play this is almost every game. I swap Tricks of the Trade for Blackjack when I need both disarm and veil of midnight and I swap the Momentum of Despair hero talent for Follow the Blood into BM hunters, Demo Locks, unholy DKs, or any melee cleave with a pres evoker or fistweaver
@jaunty osprey
I try and avoid dropping the Tricks of the Trade pvp talent at all costs
but ofc sometimes I have to
indigo hill
hooks op XD
On the eu forums there is already someone complaining about it being op. 😂
vocal surge
lol
outer sky
This is obnoxious
safe pelican
On the eu forums there is already someone complaining about it being op. 😂
Nah it’s krazy because you saying that just gave me the faith to run it was directly after I replied to you queue pop for WSG, upon entry i ask with my all caps genius 300 IQ strategy who our FC will be we had a monk, disc priest , ret pally and me on the team only classes that could run it only the pally speak up monk speaks 2 seconds before gates open so i become dedicated FC and I’m def excited to play flag today just need teammates that can do simple rotational dps in base now
gusty hedge
i just got back from a 3 week suspension myself and said the same thing(Left it in ticket) abusive chat varies i guess, emoting too much /saying the wrong curse word.
I do remember telling someone to stfu in blitz for grieving in chat, so def think that was it ( guy poo m me after and said him and a bunch were going to report me , his pm was also reportable luckily since he called me a C***)
im Mute now for the most part
indigo hill
Best is to not speak to people. They rage, you tell them to stfu. They report you. They were the kid in elementary school that taunted you and then shouted for the teacher when you told them off.
frail knot
My rogue is in the making, lvling atm - gonna play 2s with my brother who plays mage, which spec should i master? (Played rogue in tbc classic most recently)
outer sky
yeah no kidding
this is my alt rogue
just need 2400 on him
so I can actually push
other rogue is already over 2400
radiant glen
yea im just qing for fun/boredom
i dropped from #1 and now #5 for sub
is kinda sad but
sub in shuffle is masochistic
especially w ppl like the mw :^)
but everyone gets the troll experience
outer sky
we could have won if he played the game. That lock 1 shots people
radiant glen
ngl u forced the dh trinket so early
and i had every cd for him
and then i sit full fear from priest while our monk is fwing
and then game is over
before fear ends
outer sky
yeah the monk trolls
radiant glen
and then he types :))))
i think i might be done for the night tbh that game was so low quality
but gl if ur still qing
actually waited 85 mins for that one....
outer sky
thanks man ggs
radiant glen
ggs
spring bough
i just got back from a 3 week suspension myself and said the same thing(Left it ...
Emotes are included?? Like if I /slap at someone too many times that qualifies???
hidden moth
yes
spring bough
Why even have them in game then what a soft ass game lmao
hidden moth
Why even have them in game then what a soft ass game lmao
rp
u know the removed the /spit emote
bc people were being toxic with it
spring bough
Yeah but that was the point of it in the first place lol
We living ina participation trophy world and it’s like the twilight zone lmao
vocal ginkgo
Trying fatebound on sin for the first time, what should my opener/burst look like?
Ty
candid tide
garrote rupture all 3 targets
dm kill target kidney healer
this probs
oh ok idk : D
hidden moth
dm is right
mark and death mark
so confusing tbh
also wtf is with arms war hitting 1.6 mil non crit mortal strikers
jaunty osprey
arms warriors also just kinda dies
lucid citrus
Anyone know the trick for why KIR is good?
vocal ginkgo
this probs
Appreciate it
fading lion
Does anyone have any suggestions for videos or guides that go over like very basic strategies to play against other classes? Like oh against hunter try to XYZ, etc... all the videos I try to watch seem to assume you already know all this basic stuff
languid ravine
Anyone know the trick for why KIR is good?
the trick is very high uptime cdr looping
worthy crag
Its still pretty damn hard to get banned on any blizzard games
like idk what yall must be typin in game
languid ravine
ay bro it wasnt my fault all I said was !)"&%!!"§$( can Q§($/!§"$ his !)§"( ass mother 1!/$!($8 of a §$(/!"§$/ these mods are clueless
proven field
frozen stone
Can someone tell me which Addon / WA this is?
proven field
Looks like Elv prebaked
frozen stone
ty
lilac sigil
I got 2 questions about outlaw
1st Do you use pistol shot always every 3 stacks?
2nd if my finishing move give me 6cp I use BTE/Dispatch at 6cp or use SS to 7cp and than BTE?
proven field
I personally would just send it on 6 and only use BTE stealthed because that one gcd on SS will often just waste 3-4cp anyways
Need someone awesome to make an outlaw PvP guide though - would love to learn more
vocal ginkgo
Do I ever use ambush as fatebound sin?
viscid hornet
Hey guys, wanted your advices on how to start pvp. What equipement first what game mode first? Any video? Thanks!
hidden moth
Hey guys, wanted your advices on how to start pvp. What equipement first what ga...
honor gear 626 pvp ilvl
do world quests and sparks of war quest while warmode is active to get bloody tokens
use those to buy 636 ilvl pvp gear
earn conq and spend it to either buy or craft 639 pvp gear
dont buy or craft wep to start. once u have earned 2500 total conquest u get a free weapon
after doing some pvp matches u get a quest giving 9 heraldrys that let u crafting order pvp gear
at 1600 rating in any mode u get a token for 1 free tier piece
safe pelican
u know the removed the /spit emote
That was my favorite emote smh
hidden moth
i would start by doing world quests in war mode for bloody tokens and honor and from there go do normal bgs till ur minimum full 626 pvp gear every slot from there go to rated
safe pelican
/E Schtabbytime Spits on OutlawlsOnlyForSwordMogs
hidden moth
/e and typing it still works
very convenient that we have a copy character name feature in game as well, you can also make a macro for it
viscid hornet
i would start by doing world quests in war mode for bloody tokens and honor and ...
Alright thanks!
hidden moth
The “PvP talent is available” helptip will now only appear in War Mode and PvP instances.
Several emotes have been adjusted:
Drool, cough, burp, fart, whistle, spit, and moon no longer change when used while targeting a player.
Pounce and groan have been adjusted when used while targeting a player.
4 new emotes have been added – Huzzah, magnificent, impressed, and wince.
Kick, stink, shake, and moan have been removed.
Developers’ note: Some of these emotes seem to have harmless intentions at a glance, but when used while targeting another player, their intentions can turn unexpectedly suggestive or intrusive. We’ve made adjustments to these emotes with negative connotations towards another player, while also adding a few new ones.
vocal ginkgo
Any weak aura recommendations for sin rogues?
hidden moth
was sad they removed /moan
hidden moth
Any weak aura recommendations for sin rogues?
healer cc
candid tide
Any weak aura recommendations for sin rogues?
auras for bleeds mby some rogs use that
hidden moth
i also like luxthos rogue w/a pack lol
vocal ginkgo
i also like luxthos rogue w/a pack lol
yeah im messing around with this one
just keeping the bleed timers and buffs
right now im just confused with the different sin pvp builds
seeing ppl run cb + kingsblood and others dont
going fatebound for now since playstyle is more simple
lime oar
@jaunty osprey has THE build. Get it off murlok
vocal ginkgo
will do ty
jolly sierra
/e and typing it still works
not for the opposite faction
if u type that in front of them it will be read in ur faction language
jaunty osprey
<@113813700237852677> has THE build. Get it off murlok
T_T
@vocal ginkgo are you looking for a fatebound 3v3 build?
this is probably the most standard fatebound build
jolly sierra
im sad they removed moan
no coomer admited
jaunty osprey
can switch out of kingsbane and master assa for doomblade and SBS
vocal ginkgo
yeah playing 3s/shuffle and some 2s but mostly 3s
vocal ginkgo
can switch out of kingsbane and master assa for doomblade and SBS
ty appreciate it
am I ever pressing ambush as fatebound?
hidden moth
figured lol, moving my keybinds around
what
lol
just put ambush on ur stealth bar
where ur mut is
jaunty osprey
you dont even ever press it once
hidden moth
so like if mut is f8 then stealthed bush is f8
vocal ginkgo
where ur mut is
yeah I had a macro for that but for sub deaathstalker, figured we're not ever pressing ambush as fatebound sin
hidden moth
law of avgs has bush making more cps per press in pvp
hidden moth
if have at best 30% crit
orchid plinth
Are you calling Ivanrah average!?
jaunty osprey
on your first mutilate
but
over the course of a game
mutilate will generate more
vocal ginkgo
now im just confused regarding my opener/burst since I've never played assassination before
im just playing it like it's my feral and it's still pumping since the playstyle is similar but I know I'm messing up regarding the priority or order of kingsbane, shiv, deathmark, etc
orchid plinth
Sry ignore me I am troll
hidden moth
idk my thought is bush>mut if u can press it
jaunty osprey
fair, but yeah if you're going for straight combo points
then garrote > bush or mutilate
gleaming pawn
Ambush is pure trash if you aren’t spec’d for it and not running Dealthstalker
jaunty osprey
esp from stealth during subterfuge
guaranteed 3 combo points
for pvp and you can pandemic your garrote
to give it extended time
viscid hornet
Any PvP Deathstalker build guys?
hidden moth
i pandem gar at end of subterfuge or toward it if in 1v1
hidden moth
bbut if ur trying to slam burst a guy during cds
gleaming pawn
hidden moth
spaming gar wont kill it in that 5 seconds
jaunty osprey
standard build is this
jaunty osprey
yeah just play the one with no KB
viscid hornet
Aight ty!
jaunty osprey
or this one (has tea instead of forced induction)
vocal ginkgo
now im just confused regarding my opener/burst since I've never played assassina...
can you help a noob out with this? @jaunty osprey
jaunty osprey
the no KB build is a dot/rot spec
the one with supercharger is an envenom build
while still dotting/rotting
so the best thing i can recommend when learning a new class
is to look at a pve ST guide
in the scenario of sin rogue
you'd deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane
viscid hornet
Aight will try it out
vocal ginkgo
you'd deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane
ty sir
hidden moth
make sure to use 2nd shiv as the first falls for 100% shiv uptime during kb
jaunty osprey
reading a pve guide actually helps a lot for pvp
whispyr did a good job at the pve wowhead guide
hidden moth
really u want shiv up during last 8 seconds of kb for max dam but if u shiv into kb then shiv .5 seconds before the first shiv ends u get 100% shiv uptime
ivan is right
as much as keys blow schlong and the pve kids rage about loot
jaunty osprey
well in pvp you want to shiv into kb and not use for the end because
hidden moth
u gotta know how to do damage to a mob before u can do it to a player
jaunty osprey
you want to have your bleeds rotting
for kidney
and you will never have 2 charges of shiv for kb like you do in pve
in pvp
you will always send one with kidney
hidden moth
and you will never have 2 charges of shiv for kb like you do in pve
uhhh
why u sending with kidney
vocal ginkgo
yeah learning the rotation is key imo, when I can do my rotation perfectly without even thinking, that's when I know I've learned how to play the spec
jaunty osprey
hemotoxin and arterial precision
hidden moth
isnt kidney healer only cc for the most part
jaunty osprey
30% more bleed damage during your goes with 30% hemotoxin
hidden moth
bc u just cheap the kill tar
jaunty osprey
how many times
are you getting cheapshots
in a match
you dont get a restealth
every DR cycle
vocal ginkgo
am I running wound poison if i have hemo?
jaunty osprey
yes, always run wound
hidden moth
vanish aggro for the fatty silence and 20% crit in ur go
jaunty osprey
for sure, but games dont really end in 1 min most of the time
hidden moth
im not saying blow 2 vanish and smeld in the first min
jaunty osprey
but you should ALWAYS try to shiv on every kidney
even if you kidney healer
and shiv kill target
instead of saving to press it twice during KB
hidden moth
are u not doing ur goes around kb window though?
gleaming pawn
@jaunty osprey you think the initial shot of KB being so nerfed in pvp is still the better target for Shiv instead of the end of KB? Or are you generally still using KB as a bomb sub 35%
vocal ginkgo
why no supercharger here? (just curious, idk anything about this spec) lol
jaunty osprey
yeah, im still hitting for like 600k+ without lethality or coldblood
but in addition
in pvp if you send shiv for the beginning of KB
while your kill target is being stunned
you actually have uptime to ramp it
after the target is stunned, you're getting ccd or u have no uptime
jaunty osprey
why no supercharger here? (just curious, idk anything about this spec) lol
supercharger just works really well with deathstalker
but not as much for fatebound
in pvp
symbolic victory amps envenom by 18%
in addition to darkest night or deathstalker's mark damage
vocal ginkgo
supercharger just works really well with deathstalker
Got it ty
jaunty osprey
you basically get a 9 combo point envenom on every shiv
vocal ginkgo
Makes sense since deathstalker darkest night finishers hit super hard
jaunty osprey
and then +18 damage on envenom and with shiv +30 nature damage
and then with DFA, 15% damage
vocal ginkgo
Are you running DFA most of the time?
jaunty osprey
all of those modifiers in pvp allow you to kill someone from ~35-40% to sudden demise range
frozen stone
Do someone have a good omnicd profile?
jaunty osprey
Are you running DFA most of the time?
if im not playing vs sin rogue or feral, i do ya
i know a lot of people play dismantle vs warriors, but i just play DFA cause i also use it to dodge stormbolts
candid tide
Do someone have a good omnicd profile?
u can take whaazz or nahj ones
frozen stone
u can take whaazz or nahj ones
Where can I see it?
proven field
i know a lot of people play dismantle vs warriors, but i just play DFA cause i a...
How do you know to pre-DFA?
hidden moth
THEY BROUGHT THE BATTLE CHEST BACK
WARCRAFT 3 2.0 UI CHANGES UPDATED GRAPHICS NEW SETTINGS AND NOW WARCRAFT 1 AND 2 ARE REMASTERED WITH UI UPDATES ETC
frozen stone
a sec ill send
Ok
languid ravine
no fucking way the decade old content that everyone knew blizzard will continue milking was actually announced by blizzard on a stream we signal boost for free like bots in exchange for a shitty mount that we have 600 of wow
wait it came out 2012 jesus
jaunty osprey
new arena map
wintry dew
New arena confirmed
gleaming pawn
Who’s ready for the salt from a special player housing item being tied to high pvp rating that all the casuals want but can’t get
earnest forge
considering they said literally 0 about pvp, dont even count on that 😄
jaunty osprey
alt rogue CLIMBIN
proven field
Damn son can you climb as outlaw and then tell us how to do it
ocean silo
hey, for weapon enchants do I use 2 on main hand/1 main hand 1 off hand/ 2 on main hand 1 off hand/ 2main hand 2 offhand
?
i saw someone talking about stacking weapon enchants
jaunty osprey
it's 1 per wep max
whichever weapon enchant you choose, stacking it means to use the same one
on both weapons
dont use two different enchants for weapons
ocean silo
oh okay thanks!
spring bough
i mean i could, but i hate playing at 0 cr
I did sin from 0 to 2100 on solo in probably 17 ques or so (100 rounds). Lost a few rounds due to people afking. Lunch bet. You taking the over or under 100 rounds for duel on outlaw
spring bough
Is that the starting gun I heard? Lol
wraith tangle
Hi guys, I have just leveled my assa rogue and cant decide about hero talents. What is generally better, fatebound or deathstalker and why (my focus is solo shuffle and blitz)? thank you 🙂
indigo lava
Greetings
vocal surge
I love BG Blitz
getting sent to top
and then the moment I rotate off
we make a huge come back but still lose
bad call at the start cost the game 
was doing 2M DPS in team fights
spring bough
was doing 2M DPS in team fights
In team fights in blitz?? 🤔
vocal surge
In team fights in blitz?? 🤔
Ye, silvershard mines
hidden moth
considering they said literally 0 about pvp, dont even count on that 😄
funnily enough when they were doing 15 minutes of talk to the staff and they were sharing their favorite moments of wow 3/4th of them were pvp
has anyone gotten the event mounts yet?
i claimed my rewards on twitch but havnt gotten them
earnest forge
Im positive I claimed too an nuthin
earnest forge
funnily enough when they were doing 15 minutes of talk to the staff and they wer...
yeah "I met my wife while doing arena"
that's mathematically quite hard nowadays man, help a fellow pvper by investing some time :_
spring bough
For the new undermine zone…. If you are bloodsail friendly…. We even gonna be able to go there? 😂
orchid plinth
For the new undermine zone…. If you are bloodsail friendly…. We even gonna be ab...
What do you think this is, an RPG???
spring bough
What do you think this is, an RPG???
Pretty sure I’m hated with all the goblin capital reps cause of the blood sail grind lol
potent pivot
i claimed my rewards on twitch but havnt gotten them
mine is stuck telling me to connect my twitch/bnets
earnest forge
I dont recall farming the bloodsail rep ever, but I have the title and all that stuff
hidden moth
yeah "I met my wife while doing arena"
hey man i met mine in a gambit match in destiny 2
qued into the same lobby 3x in a row all 3 opposite teams and i was farming her and her team mates for 1v4 army of one medals LMFAO
hidden moth
Pretty sure I’m hated with all the goblin capital reps cause of the blood sail g...
did u not kill the 36000 pirates to hit exalted with the goblin cities for the insane title
spring bough
did u not kill the 36000 pirates to hit exalted with the goblin cities for the i...
I did the opposite and killed the goblins lol
hidden moth
no u kill goblin
till honor and get ur bloodsail stuff
then go kill pirates that arnt in stragnle thorn
for the insane title
i did tthis shit in wotlk classic lol it was a grind
jaunty osprey
mine is stuck telling me to connect my twitch/bnets
u suck
halcyon timber
Littlefinger finding out about player housing
butt fuck palaces everywhere
hidden moth
butt fuck palaces everywhere
least it wont be in the middle of dornagal
worthy crag
Its honestly not even a bad thing when devs barely spend time talking about pvp
harsh elk
I decided to try outlaw but kinda lost. Anyone got any tips to get me started coming from sub/ assa
worthy crag
when they did, we got ashran, pvp island expeditions, faction assaults.. uh
halcyon timber
least it wont be in the middle of dornagal
People lack decency and act like its fine.
But yeah at least in their own years
worthy crag
welcome to the deephaul ravine friends, your job today...
hidden moth
people been acting weird since the hub has blocked acces in like 15 states
halcyon timber
Being a deviant in any form isn’t cool
safe pelican
I decided to try outlaw but kinda lost. Anyone got any tips to get me started co...
Target dummy , RTB in stealth , ADR, BTE spam during crack shot/ subterfuge window send KS , can vanish and send bte’s again under ADR window after that. And hit your ambush and pistol shot procs accordingly
hidden moth
Being a deviant in any form isn’t cool
debatable
ayo
i just typed in
deviant meaning on google and
i cant post it here but one of the examples it has is WILD
halcyon timber
Going to leave that be.
blissful peak
SORRY
blissful peak
fair do's
i'm mostly a little split because if i don't go thistle, i feel like i lack staying power - i'm running out of energy too often to have halfway okay damage
but then im missing a vanish
and blow up so easy
don't have the budget for both thistle and 2x vanish but playing without either feels rough
vocal surge
I decided to try outlaw but kinda lost. Anyone got any tips to get me started co...
depends on hero tree
vocal surge
Target dummy , RTB in stealth , ADR, BTE spam during crack shot/ subterfuge wind...
This is Fatebound's rotation, for Trickster its BTE --> Killing Spree for finishers on opener and then BTE spamming. Coup prio over KS and BTE
frozen stone
Someone knows how I get this bigger?
frozen stone
ok
safe pelican
This is Fatebound's rotation, for Trickster its BTE --> Killing Spree for finish...
@harsh elk
Fatebound Mafia 🦦
gleaming pawn
Little bit of hope
stoic spruce
A smidgen
gleaming pawn
It is intriguing that they specifically called out some kind of refresh, that’s a new one
stoic spruce
If outlaw ain't fun then idc about rewards
potent pivot
are we ready to sit in our houses waiting for shuffle queues?
potent pivot
Cities will be dead
dornogal already kills my pc every time i enter it
lime oar
Nothing happens in cities anyway
gleaming pawn
Yeah good riddance to that. There were places that killed my old PC before I upgraded
lime oar
Should make instanced player housing like ffxiv with all the QoL
potent pivot
dorn/valdrakken have been the only cities to ever give me frame drops
specifically near the auction house areas
gleaming pawn
Nothing happens in cities anyway
Stupid people will complain about, and say the game is dead, because the cities are empty
stoic spruce
I fly in and my pc shits itself
potent pivot
Should make instanced player housing like ffxiv with all the QoL
ff14 doesn't have instanced player housing
it has instances of entire neighborhoods, with very limitied amounts of houses
lime oar
That’s what I meant
gleaming pawn
SWTOR player and guild housing were instanced and quite good. I hope they go more that route
potent pivot
"instanced player housing" is considered 1 house per instance
halcyon timber
Neighborhoods were sick in ff
potent pivot
where every player just gets their own instance and it kinda makes it feel dead like garrisons
halcyon timber
Start saving gold now heh
potent pivot
yeah i think ff does it best
lime oar
I guess I meant neighborhoods
potent pivot
but it's insanely hard to get a house
halcyon timber
Yeah early birds on plots and bidding
lime oar
So dumb and then they started that raffle shit
gleaming pawn
It being so hard to actually get a house in FF is exactly why I don’t see WoW using that model
halcyon timber
Yeh
potent pivot
the raffle thing is much more fair
compared to sitting in front of the board for 24 hours or w/e
lime oar
Agreed but I mean still kinda lame
gleaming pawn
WoW players have been waiting too long, and too hyped to get locked out of a feature because some goblin comes in and outbids you
halcyon timber
I did like having a garden too in ff and my chocobo stable
stoic spruce
I want neighbors
halcyon timber
Making the yard up w decorations was slick
stoic spruce
I can throw my apple cores at them :)
halcyon timber
XD
Yeah my friends all lived nearby and a free company house was expensive af
Wonder if it will be on its own island or something (probably) and just a district swap for each neighborhood
stoic spruce
I hope we get to choose location
I want a piratey house
NO
I want a ship
Off the coast of Kalimdor
stoic spruce
Yeah
halcyon timber
Yeah might be different plots in the world. We shall see soon
Hopefully have crafting there too
stoic spruce
Hmmmmm
Yeah
Not ah and stuff like that
Cities gon be dead
I like chilling in orgrimmar
With the randos
halcyon timber
I like going to different cities too
Def want to tokyo drift in the gob kart races
stoic spruce
Warcraft Kart!!!
safe pelican
I like chilling in orgrimmar
Same had to leave dorm pc wants to explode in dorn but i get lonely in org lol I like looking at other rogue mogs in major cities
potent pivot
ya
potent pivot
we don't have any specifics
stoic spruce
I can already tell the garrison/housing comparing will drive me insane lol
spring bough
I mean they both places you go to hang out lol
safe pelican
New arena map 👀
I’ll retire from blitz for that and come back home 🦦😈
What’s player housing ?
potent pivot
What’s player housing ?
homeless shelters for everyone that bought brutos
lyric hatch
This build I have found to have 100% WR you guys can thank me later
lime oar
I’m intrigued by this season rewards refresh* tho
safe pelican
Is cloaking and smoking to cap overkill? just took DR from a pally at the beginning of the game with it in blitz he came inside the smoke but didnt hit me he laid down concetration XD still capped 703 to -0 on eots out the gate lmao
gleaming pawn
In blitz? Yeah
Cloak is 5 seconds baseline, cap is 4
Vs a pally it’s a little more sus, because I can’t remember if Judgement hits through cloak or not
Pally just kind of throws a whole wrench. But against full casters cloak is enough to cap
jolly sierra
ahhh the classic cloak cap
last time i used it a mage was smart enough to hit me in the head w his staff
safe pelican
In blitz? Yeah
I see i feel like its a guaranteed cap cause they can’t target you at first so then they panic that’s about 2 seconds gone then they have to come into the smoke and hit you or use magic which will inherently still give you the cap but i see why its overkill been doing it last night and tonight with success don’t wanna make a bad habit before i get higher up in rating
Sap capping feels so good
Looking at the enemy helplessly watch me cap their base with no trinket brings me joy
gleaming pawn
watching the will to fight leave someone after you baited their tinket and stops just to Kidney > cap them is where it is at
spring bough
Is cloaking and smoking to cap overkill? just took DR from a pally at the beginn...
Smoke bomb cloak to cap just in case lol
Saved my ass against 2 locks and a disc to get LM off the start of an AB
spring bough
Sap capping feels so good
And if they trinket the sap. Immediately blind them and cap on their face
gleaming pawn
god the bugs in the game are fucking unreal
potent pivot
god the bugs in the game are fucking unreal
Yep
I think every spec in the game has like 10-20 bugs
You don’t notice most of them, but the ones you do notice are insanely annoying
stoic spruce
Chat
I learned something today
Telling a woman that's emotionally charged that she's emotionally charged doesn't end well.
potent pivot
that crackshot is actually the best talent ever?
stoic spruce
Trickz
potent pivot
LOOOOOL
stoic spruce
that crackshot is actually the best talent ever?
I put my phone to the side and kept thinking about this
Actually rent free in my head lol
potent pivot
I put my phone to the side and kept thinking about this
bro what lol
i think your hate for crackshot is emotionally charged my friend
potent pivot
let's take a look at this from an objective point of view
stoic spruce
Alright
potent pivot
crackshot lets you shoot a shot gun repeatedly that you can usually only shoot once every X seconds
stoic spruce
Yes
potent pivot
the dopamine
potent pivot
the reward center of your brain
potent pivot
is fundamentally happy when it presses that button repeatedly
stoic spruce
Yes
potent pivot
the thing is
stoic spruce
Love it
potent pivot
what you ACTUALLY dislike
potent pivot
is the other players CCing you during crackshot
stoic spruce
Oh nvm
potent pivot
stealing your dopamine
stoic spruce
That's a given
stoic spruce
It's what happens afterwards that I hate more
potent pivot
?
gleaming pawn
Ace is the true evil darkening our timeline
stoic spruce
The adr drought is booty juice
Because I was CCd
So not only is my dopamine GONE
I now have to spam Sinister Strike and get starved of energy
Because opp proc got nerfed
SO YOU TELL MY HOW IM EMOTIONALLY CHARGED
proven field
Getting no crackshots and just hitting soft-penis ambushes for 6 seconds, that is worst feeling ever
stoic spruce
Real
proven field
Getting 3-4 full CP crackshots in a row and pumping 2M dmg on someone is best feeling ever
stoic spruce
No in between
proven field
Just smoked an Rsham in SS to a wicked crackshot spree
But also have dropped from 500k dps to 200k dps because for whatever reason I just.. got zero procs and bad rolls for 10 seconds straight
stoic spruce
Wanna hear something worse?
proven field
I do
stoic spruce
Wdym
stoic spruce
Go on
potent pivot
and you just delete people if you get 6 Ace procs in a row
proven field
Let me store endless CPs for KS like vanilla Reckoning
and then unleash a 28 seconds KS animation doing 10M dmg
potent pivot
outlaw just lacks damage/burst
stoic spruce
It's a really outdated damage profile
potent pivot
it's still really strong in arena but it just doesn't FEEL strong
stoic spruce
Right
proven field
I've never broken 1M dps on burst on Outlaw, as Assa 900k+ is every go
potent pivot
10 combo point BtEs during CDs not hitting even 1mil is a crime
proven field
most SS rounds I hover around... 380k-500k on the high end
Ferals chillin 800-1000k
proven field
That is 5 roll with blade flurry
potent pivot
whaazz says he has some secret tech
severe helm
Getting CCd during dmg is a tale as old as time
every spec has this issue though
stoic spruce
every spec has this issue though
Yeah thats not the problem I have
proven field
Outlaw tech?
severe helm
outlaw just lacks damage/burst
ive been playing supercharger which does feel pretty nice for crackshot windows
potent pivot
Outlaw tech?
ye
severe helm
he lyin
potent pivot
ive been playing supercharger which does feel pretty nice for crackshot windows
same ye
severe helm
he probably found something out that the entire disc has known for months
lol
pvp community is so out of touch with outlaw
potent pivot
probably
potent pivot
he hasn't said he thinks it's better than no kir
i think he's just testing it because trill has been testing it
severe helm
problem with KiR is that it only does more damage in ST if it can play around RP buff
which is way less value in pvp
otherwise kir genuinely just does less damage
though I do think supercharger is better than vigot 100% of the time
cuz those two SC btes you get at the start of crackshot have SUCH high ace proc chance
its like remarkably higher burst
proven field
Maybe something like Summarily Dispatched is also affecting BTE
severe helm
Maybe something like Summarily Dispatched is also affecting BTE
but this isnt true
lol
trust me if there was any bug or exploit with outlaw, it would be known by the people who literally stare at their details for 10+ hours a day doing pve
Also KiR builds have more % of their damage coming from bte which means that they are more nerfed in pvp than the HO builds
proven field
Maybe he has finally unlocked a way to track Triple Threat
severe helm
Maybe he has finally unlocked a way to track Triple Threat
triple threat is a proc
wym
potent pivot
who
potent pivot
whaazz has like 3-4 rogues
proven field
Just stacking Main Gauche procs endlessly
potent pivot
he's not playing mastery
potent pivot
on 1 rogue he's playing crit/haste around 10 or so
severe helm
on his outlaw
potent pivot
on another rogue he's stacking a lot of haste
stoic spruce
He just like me fr
stoic spruce
Except i did it on accident
severe helm
cuz you need more haste as kir
severe helm
those are his only two high rated outlaw logged rogues
potent pivot
those are his only two high rated outlaw logged rogues
whaazz/whaazlysnips/Béstworld
they aren't
severe helm
oh didnt know he was best world
same thing there
15% is kinda low tbh for kir
probably heavily relying on take your cut
potent pivot
well that's 15% outside of pvp
potent pivot
none of the sites do i'm pretty sure
they're just copying data from Armory
15% outside of pvp combat is close to 20% i think
it's like 8.3%->10%
severe helm
tbh ive been messing with playing KiR build but dropping crackshot for gsw
it kinda cranks ngl
stoic spruce
"Lol"
severe helm
its close in dps to crackshot but you lose less when you get cced on that window
potent pivot
i just don't care for kir
severe helm
since bte is just so insanely nerfed in pvp
potent pivot
i think it would be sick if kir like, doubled the buffs instead of adding duration
jaunty osprey
@potent pivot
val just passed my #2 rogue
im about to
do the funniest thing
and get it back
severe helm
he was playing assa all of s4 in DF
Didnt he end up not getting r1 title either cuz he got banned?
heard sus stuff about that from jaybeezy
oh wait
no he was getting ddosed!
thats what it was
potent pivot
wasn't it TJ that was getting "ddos'd"
severe helm
it could have happened to multiple people
severe helm
but I just heard it from jaybeezy
that they were losing games cuz val was getting ddosed
and val dropped out of r1 cutoff cuz of it
potent pivot
the one i heard about
didn't even sound like ddos
the way they described how their internet was behaving
severe helm
Val would litearlly lag only during arena matches against certain people
jaunty osprey
😦
potent pivot
😦
do alts take up r1 slots for shuff? idr
i know they changed it for r1 in 3s so that alts don't eat a slot
gleaming pawn
if they are on the same account, they get removed from the cutoff calc
jaunty osprey
nah they dont
there are 4 total sin spots
but i have 2 alts in range, val has 3 and jw has 2
and then caliph is last on the list
potent pivot
if he's not in 2s, he's in shuffle
yeah i'm mostly just surprised that NA has more inflation than EU rn